Jubril Adekoya and the Honor Council

agibson · October 13, 2017, 01:31:52 PM

Quote from: VU2014 on October 13, 2017, 10:12:34 AMthe NCAA had the nerve to take away Jubril's (honors student) senior year from him but they don't punish UNC for INSTITUTIONAL CHEATING with FAKE CLASSES!!!?!?!?!

Jubril was certainly on my mind this morning, reading the news.

The NYT summary suggests that the NCAA declared it was up to the school to decide if it was academic fraud or not. UNC apparently claims it was was not. And the NCAA somehow didn't have enough evidence to declare that the classes represented impermissible benefits given to student athletes. Apparently about half of the students in the classes were non-athletes.

I hope it's a significant hit to UNC's academic reputation. I hope it doesn't tar us _all_ too much by implication.

UNC did apparently have their academic accreditation suspended for a year, a couple of years back, over the issue. Apparently this almost never happens to a research university of UNC's caliber. But, they're back in regular/good standing now with their accrediting body.

valpopal · October 13, 2017, 01:50:46 PM

Quote from: agibson on October 13, 2017, 01:31:52 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on October 13, 2017, 10:12:34 AMthe NCAA had the nerve to take away Jubril's (honors student) senior year from him but they don't punish UNC for INSTITUTIONAL CHEATING with FAKE CLASSES!!!?!?!?!

The NYT summary suggests that the NCAA declared it was up to the school to decide if it was academic fraud or not. UNC apparently claims it was was not. And the NCAA somehow didn't have enough evidence to declare that the classes represented impermissible benefits given to student athletes. Apparently about half of the students in the classes were non-athletes.

For many of the student-athletes, especially basketball and football players, the courses were listed as "independent study classes," which meant the athlete was the only student enrolled for that class. That makes athlete participation in those classes 100%. Also, even if we use the statistic North Carolina tries to hide behind—that half the students were non-athletes—then we also have to remember athletes are only about 4% of the student population (basketball and football players less than 1%). Since North Carolina has fine math and accounting programs familiar with statistics, they certainly should conclude that this data would prove numerous athletes were purposely and unethically being directed by advisers to take the sham classes.

This also would raise the question about the non-athletes taking the courses: was a certain department (or more than one) using these classes for particular dishonest purposes, such as to artificially bolster the gpa of its students in order to keep those students eligible for receiving financial aid or to retain those students otherwise in danger of academic dismissal and thus enhance the department's enrollment figures?

VU2014 · October 13, 2017, 02:02:46 PM

https://twitter.com/slmandel/status/918913447550525441

bigmosmithfan1 · October 13, 2017, 05:05:46 PM

The only takeaway here is that any institution that cooperates with the NCAA in the future is a willing dupe.

VU2014 · October 13, 2017, 09:06:37 PM

A really good article. It shows how UNC sacrificed its academic integrity for its basketball program.
https://twitter.com/DanWetzel/status/919007808590401536

valpopal · October 13, 2017, 09:54:13 PM

Here is another article well worth reading. It makes a case that North Carolina's fraudulent (non)classes can be seen as the biggest academic scandal yet, but the NCAA (lack of) action is an even greater scandal that has stripped the organization of any credibility. Indeed, the NCAA has betrayed its own mission statement, which declares "In the collegiate model of sports, the young men and women competing on the field or court are students first, athletes second." The piece also concludes that university athletic programs are crazy to be open and to cooperate with the NCAA in any academic situation: "The days when schools with major athletic programs routinely take pre-emptive action to punish themselves to curry favor with the NCAA are probably over." [Adekoya's situation is a prime example.] https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-10-13/ncaa-proves-once-again-it-doesn-t-care-about-classes

valpopal · October 13, 2017, 10:25:03 PM

Interesting stat:

Valparaiso University Men's Basketball budget (According to Mark Adams): $2.5 million
North Carolina University Legal Fees to Fight NCAA (According to NY Post): $18 million

valpopal · October 14, 2017, 10:41:50 AM

How screwed up is the NCAA? At the same time that the NCAA refuses to punish North Carolina for fake classes, they decide to punish a player at North Carolina State for taking legitimate classes:
http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/nc-state/state-now/article178677026.html

VUBBFan · November 11, 2017, 03:58:40 PM

Running through this old thread, what comes to light is there was an accusation of cheating by two students/players by some student manager. Two players were questioned ( Jubril and Max ). One plead guilty the other innocent. It seems the consensus of the people on this forum, was that the one pleading innocent got away with it.

In light of the current Skara situation. It may be that he was the second person and not Max who was involved.

It just goes to say we ( including Myself ) jump to conclusions way too early sometimes without all the actual facts. I think it's human nature to want to have things closed off and answered. Then if they're not, we make up our own minds of what we think it should be.

Could all be all unrelated or there were more than two students involved in the cheating but I just wanted to say something.