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NCAA Auto-Bid RPI & Seeding

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ValpoHoops

Quote from: vu72 on March 15, 2015, 02:30:10 PMYes, they might move up past us but if they start doing that we may also move up past a coupe of teams with very similar RPIs but from conferences much worse than the Horizon, namely the Southern and Southland--Wofford and SFA.  Still should be a 12

I do think we have a chance to jump Wofford. I don't know that we can jump SFA though...the RPI gap is significant. Honestly, I think who goes where among about 6 teams is really down to geography.

I will be curious to see the NCAA Seed List when all is said and done to see where we ranked before they built the bracket.

agibson

Quote from: ValpoHoops on March 15, 2015, 02:04:02 PM
Quote from: agibson on March 15, 2015, 02:02:37 PM
Ron Hunter coaching against his son in the final.  Dad wins, but is injured in the celebration - helped off the floor!

Ron Hunter coaches his son. Does not coach against him.

OK - makes more sense.

talksalot

In alphabetical order, the following teams received an invitation to the 2015 CIT:
[SO FAR]
Bowling Green Mid-American 20–11 11–7
Canisius MAAC 16–14 11–9
Cleveland State Horizon 18–14 11–15
Dartmouth Ivy League 14–14 7–7
Eastern Illinois Ohio Valley 17–14 9–7
Eastern Kentucky Ohio Valley 19–11 11–5
Evansville Missouri Valley 19–12 9–9
Florida Gulf Coast Atlantic Sun 22–10 12–3
James Madison CAA 19–13 12–6
Incarnate Word Southland 18–10 10–8
IPFW The Summit 16–14 9–7
Monmouth MAAC 18–15 13–7
New Hampshire America East 19–12 11–5
NJIT D-I independent 18–11 
Norfolk State MEAC 20–13 12–4
Northwestern State Southaland 19–12 13–5
Oakland Horizon 16–16 11–5
Portland West Coast 17–15 7–11
Saint Francis (PA) Northeast 16–15 9–9
Tennessee–Martin Ohio Valley 18–12 10–6
Texas A&M–Corpus Christi Southland 19–13 13–5
USC Upstate Atlantic Sun 23–11 8–6
Western Michigan Mid-American 20–12 10–8
   
   
CBI has not listed anyone yet...
   
   
   
   
   
   


§Format[edit]

The CIT will again use the former NIT model in which match-ups in each round are re-seeded based on the results of the previous round. All games are played on campus sites.[1]

vu72

So when you add up all the teams playing in the NCAAs, NIT, CBI and CIT, you end up with nearly half of the 351 D1s.  At least I don't see any losing records in the CIT list but do see a 14-14 and 16-16 and a few teams with lonly 2 more wins then losses.  Pretty lame...
Season Results: CBI/CIT: 2008, 2011, 2014  NIT: 2003,2012, 2016(Championship Game) 2017   NCAA: 1962,1966,1967,1969,1973,1996,1997,1998 (Sweet Sixteen),1999, 2000, 2002, 2004, 2013 and 2015

justducky

Quote from: ValpoHoops on March 15, 2015, 02:39:08 PMI do think we have a chance to jump Wofford. I don't know that we can jump SFA though...the RPI gap is significant. Honestly, I think who goes where among about 6 teams is really down to geography.

I will be curious to see the NCAA Seed List when all is said and done to see where we ranked before they built the bracket.
My eyeball test suggests that Wyoming is a strong challenge but by using various RPI ratings in combination with Kenpom and Sagarin (the last 2 having different methodologies) my seed list in descending order is
#1 SFA
#2 Buffalo
#3 VU
#4 Harvard
#5 Wofford
#6 Wyoming         The Sagarin number for them is 30 spots below us and KP has them 39 lower. I generally trust these 2 much more than any of the RPI numbers. Just watch! The committee will probably totally reverse my seeding order!

a3uge

Quote from: justducky on March 15, 2015, 03:27:34 PM
Quote from: ValpoHoops on March 15, 2015, 02:39:08 PMI do think we have a chance to jump Wofford. I don't know that we can jump SFA though...the RPI gap is significant. Honestly, I think who goes where among about 6 teams is really down to geography.

I will be curious to see the NCAA Seed List when all is said and done to see where we ranked before they built the bracket.
My eyeball test suggests that Wyoming is a strong challenge but by using various RPI ratings in combination with Kenpom and Sagarin (the last 2 having different methodologies) my seed list in descending order is
#1 SFA
#2 Buffalo
#3 VU
#4 Harvard
#5 Wofford
#6 Wyoming         The Sagarin number for them is 30 spots below us and KP has them 39 lower. I generally trust these 2 much more than any of the RPI numbers. Just watch! The committee will probably totally reverse my seeding order!

Not only does the selection committee not use Sagarin, Massey, KPOM, BPI data, they don't even SEE it. They see RPI, SOS, wins and losses.

justducky

Quote from: a3uge on March 15, 2015, 03:43:18 PMNot only does the selection committee not use Sagarin, Massey, KPOM, BPI data, they don't even SEE it. They see RPI, SOS, wins and losses.
Last time I tried that conventional approach and was totally wrong thus i am winging it from a different direction.

Hey I forgot to include Georgia St whose numbers would come in at #4 just behind VU and slightly ahead of Harvard.

SanityLost17

Michigan State looks like they might win the Big10 tournament... 

Might move them up to a 5 seed because of it....   Another Valpo vs. MSU matchup?     

a3uge

Quote from: SanityLost17 on March 15, 2015, 04:01:07 PM
Michigan State looks like they might win the Big10 tournament... 

Might move them up to a 5 seed because of it....   Another Valpo vs. MSU matchup?     

Can't. Committee avoids rematches from past 2 tournaments.

SanityLost17

Quote from: a3uge on March 15, 2015, 04:04:14 PM
Quote from: SanityLost17 on March 15, 2015, 04:01:07 PM
Michigan State looks like they might win the Big10 tournament... 

Might move them up to a 5 seed because of it....   Another Valpo vs. MSU matchup?     

Can't. Committee avoids rematches from past 2 tournaments.

I know, I just wanted to scare people.