My point being that the portal works both ways. Valparaiso’s best players have been taken and received. Some coaches are able to navigate it and bring instant success others have not. Some have found diamonds in the rough to be immediately taken by other coaches. It’s just a part of College Athletics now. Has nothing to do with fan ties. Quite literally the ones able to navigate it are able to produce results. It’s modern recruiting
That wasn't your point at all actually. Your point was that the portal brings "instant success". Which clearly isn't the case. Especially for the mid major level
Cmon, you require a combination of recruiting from HS and the portal to be successful, then rinse and repeat to build a new roster annually.
the portal needs to be limited but the NCAA has no power these days to fix it.
@rezynezy , all is well. But I upheld my stance to refer Padilla as the humongous. Hopefully 32 more days and he can walk away so Valpo can clean this mess…
@usc4valpo I mean. We do get the announcement on Tuesday. My point here is that the transfer portal isn't instant success.
@rezynezy - totally agree, the portal is jump start but not sustainable. Lincoln Riley at USC has finally figured it out.
Team needs to get somewhere between making next to nothing and making almost everything. Whitaker needs to start. I'd also go with Dease.
Bud's suggestion of Hopoi and Shon together might work in spots but I think both are limited too much offensively to cleaning up the junk that it would be a long term detriment. Again, in certain spots it could cause problems for the opponent.
@usc4valpo bad example. USC is a blue chip football program, blue chips with a lot of money always comeback around
Look at MVC history
2024-25 Drake 5/5 top scorers transfers, coach promoted to Iowa
2023-24 ISU 3/5 , coach promoted to Saint Louis
2022-23 Bradley 2/5, 2 players poached
2021-22 Northern Iowa 1/5, 4/5 players poached by larger schools
Top 10 scorers in the league last year, 2 are finishing at an MVC schools, top 6 this year, 1 started at an MVC school.
No need for personal insults in back to back posts. Heck! Rez you were the one saying transfer portal heavy IU was writing you how to enhance the program.
As for the best players last two years comment. Both left when greener pastures came about. And Roger Powell has the rotation as primarily … transfers (Pettigrew/Chaney FR). And we are 5-2 with one bad loss!
Has nothing to do with favorites and coaches and etc. More to do with modern college athletics. Darwinism
2024-25 Drake 5/5 top scorers transfers, coach promoted to ! Rez you were the one saying transfer portal heavy IU was writing you how to enhance the program.
You seemed pretty keen on insulting me for simply saying that Fox deserved to be let go. You get what you give.
As for IU. Reread my posts about them. Their run was "magical" as in, an outlier. Not the standard. Plenty of other P5 teams played the portal game, and most of them lost the game. Never was my argument that was show you enhance the program. They brought in a coach who knew how to play the game. My argument was that IUs run last year brought in a largely apprehensive donor base to support football when most of the money was heading in the direction of basketball. Not that it was the gold standard for success. (Which it is not).
Powell does have a lot of transfers. What team doesn't, but they took a few games to get going. They weren't plug in play "instant success" as you try to make it out to be. The leading scorer on the team is still a true freshman and his lead in that category is nearly 2x the scoring of the other players.
I had planned on being at the ARC, couldnt do it -run the gauntlet 50 miles from south bend. Missed a banger. The shot selection and patience vastly improved...WELL DONE RP AND STAFF. Mark brown chilled out and balled out. Dease...yes mother may I have another helping. Lets go! Lets keep it nice at Marquette. I believe we can.
I had planned on being at the ARC, couldnt do it -run the gauntlet 50 miles from south bend. Missed a banger. The shot selection and patience vastly improved...WELL DONE RP AND STAFF. Mark brown chilled out and balled out. Dease...yes mother may I have another helping. Lets go! Lets keep it nice at Marquette. I believe we can.
@valpodad Don't feel to bad we went, had 30 miles back to Starke county. It was dicey and slow, I wouldn’t had went from south bend either. Hope you’re able to make other upcoming games!
@Brian F... made it over to the game against Bryant hoping for Wilmington game... Hey I have in laws down in starke- wife is NJSP grad! Daughter just made it back to VU an hour ago... 2 the toll road and 49 were pretty clear
I'm becoming reconciled to the reality that every season will bring a largely new roster. Be in the moment, right?
But I still think this whole system is awful.
I agree that the whole system is awful (despite my agreement that players should be compensated to some degree). Nonetheless, I am excited about seeing Valpo play tomorrow night. I have not seen Valpo play in-person since 2016.
Blame the awful system on the ineptitude and weakness of the NCAA on all sides of this issue.
I still think this whole system is awful.
I agree as well. In the past, I had disdain for basketball programs like Kentucky that practiced a one-and-done approach, eliminating any notion of a "student-athlete." Unfortunately, this has now spread throughout NCAA basketball, and among a few other college revenue sports. For the sake of the university, I root for Valpo to win, but unfortunately I have little interest in any individual players who are not true Valparaiso University student-athletes but merely names on the stat sheet mostly looking (as Coach Powell has even acknowledged in his recruiting strategy) to do well enough to transfer (pun intended) their success this year into a move to another bigger profile program or one with more NIL money next year.
The reality is the "student" athlete by in large part is gone from college athletics. The reality is prestigious schools such as a Notre Dame have let lesser students in for more prestigious sports programs. This is extremely wide spread in college athletics.
The Alumni Portion:
Where Valpo is hurting in modern college athletics is the lack of a donor base. Which boils down to the ROI on the degree. Yes there are majors that are very lucrative at Valparaiso. There are also SEVERAL majors with the large tuition and predatory lending from last 20 years that have put a generation of alums in the hole.
The Student Athlete Portion:
NIL is absolutely fair with how many of these Universities have used college athletics to build their branding. Valparaiso has made it clear they are putting all their relative eggs in basketball and have the past 27 years. That is an extremely small donor base. This is why you see schools like DePauw/Wabash/Indiana Weselyan with more capital for facilities from the donor base. It is very simple, more satisfied customers equal more donations on the back end. How many 4 year basketball players has Valparaiso averaged the last 15 years? My guess is less than 2 per team.
Where we are Now:
Valparaiso due to several factors was already a transient school. Forced dorms for three years, Core essentially (and my guess intentionally) being non-transferrable, student life, lack of greek life, and a very high price tag. Not to mention inclement weather. In the portal era about 95% of athletes with enough success to have transferred, have transferred. There is an almost complete lack of NIL which is being siphoned to the basketball team. Which means for basketball, yes, in short any true Valpo freshman that has success will not finish their 4 year eligibility period at Valparaiso in the portal era. We will have a litany of D3/D2/NAIA/LowD1 call ups that are likely grad transfers and High Major transfers that are on their last legs.
Success at Valparaiso at this moment looks like bringing in the most established collegiate talent and combining it with young talent. Until we fix the aforementioned issues. Young talent will leave ESPECIALLY in basketball where there is the lowest margin of talent between high major and mid major.
