I guess our collective reticence towards the rest of the season is literally indicated here, since I never start game threads, and am doing so fewer than 30 hours before tipoff.
Remember when this used to be a rivalry?
http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1163.0 (http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1163.0) (game one)
http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1240.0 (http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1240.0) (eh, well, game two)
People that don't know stuff don't remember:
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http://msn.foxsports.com/detroit/story/detroit-oakland-renew-revilary-011114 (http://msn.foxsports.com/detroit/story/detroit-oakland-renew-revilary-011114)
Dana Wakiji from FSDetroit. I mean, even the hyperlink has a typo.
Then again, given how they revile each other, maybe it's intentional.
Remember how it used to feel to hate? Someone? Anyone? Ah, the memories.
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http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1024.msg23467#msg23467 (http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1024.msg23467#msg23467)
The problem I have maintaining a healthy hatred of the Detroit Titans is that I don't dislike their message board fans. Yes, they inexcusably defended the Little Ray dunk and some even downplayed the '313' vandalism, but overall they seem to be respectful, fair-minded people.
We can't win on the road:
Detroit 76
Valpo 65
Quote from: wh on January 14, 2014, 01:16:30 PMthey seem to be respectful, fair-minded people except at least as regards Mr. Robert Capobianco
fixed it for you
I am hoping we can stop the back slide. ... talent-wise we should win but can we put everything together?
I'm having a hard time predicting anymore as my predictions tend to come back and bite me in the butt! Nonetheless, I'll say Detroit 75 Valpo 70.
VU 64
Detroit 74
The inexplicable downward spiral from the competitive OOC games we played in November and December continues.
Paul
Valpo by 1. I decided it wasn't detroit I hated, or even their fans really....but instead my dislike was strictly for Ray Jr. He is gone so now they are just another game on the schedule for me.
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Hoping for a big game out of the Bobby the Thug.
This team still has to prove it can win on the road in conference play, and whatever chances Valpo may have will rest upon the health of Dority's sore back. Much of the Crusader offense this year flows through LaVonte.
Quote from: a3uge on January 14, 2014, 04:54:32 PM
Hoping for a big game out of the Bobby the Thug.
In the interest of keeping the rivalry hot I think that Bobby should start even if he is saddled with a hamstring, back problems, two sprained ankles and a severe case of the flu. He might not be able to block any windmill dunks but he might be able to infect a few key players. ::)
Quote from: a3uge on January 14, 2014, 04:54:32 PMHoping for a big game out of the Bobby the Thug.
YOU PUT YER DIRTY WORDS IN SCARE QUOTES WHEN YER TALKIN TO ME
me i'm just hoping to see him more than 3 minutes...
The Gueye--Njoku battle should be epic.
Lets get the rest of the Season going right now!!! Vu 71 DMU 67 We don't let them get going and keep it that way! ::)
If Lexus starts, plays well in the first half and then gets moved to a supporting role in the second half again ... I swear I'll turn off the game.
Not sure I agree that Dority is the key to our offense. I think the key to our offense needs to be spreading out the defense so we can get some"real" passing lanes. I think when we get into an offensive slump it is either because we pass around the outside or because we force a well guarded drive to the basket.
Valpo Fans,
My last prediction was no where close to correct. I have noticed a steady regression in the last few games, mainly from early season favorite Alec Peters. He does not look confident with anything he is doing on the court. Besides the second half of UIC, I have been surprisingly unimpressed with Keith Carter.
The inner-Cub fan wants to say this season can still be turned around, but the facts are showing a different story.
I was very irritated, but having a hard time not feeling the same way, by a fan sitting behind me at the Wright State game. He kept repeating "I'm not gonna come to watch this crap anymore." I understand a winning team draws fans, but it was hard to listen to him be so negative. What happened to loyalty in sports?
Positive outlook prediction: VU 74 UDM 66
Turnover Plauged Actuallity: UDM 78 VU 65
proudvalpoalum... While I say I'll stop watching - i won't. I will however stop expecting too much and just enjoy the good plays.
I'm not quite ready to say this is a lost season. We're 1-2 in league play, and we really should be 2-1, if it wasn't for some crazy 3's made in the Oakland game. So far we've played like garbage in one league game.
This team can play at a much better level than they did against Wright State. Let us not forget, we nearly knocked off SLU, could've beaten teams like Illinois and Ohio, as well as Mercer. All very tough opponents. As well we have logged wins against Central Florida and Mercer. We've played 3 terrible games this season. Just three, every other loss we could've easily won, the second game to CFU, ETS, and WS were all awful games.
Let us not forget this is a young team, they're taking their lumps. This is a really big game tonight. It's not gonna be perfect, I don't think we'll play like we did against Wright State. I think it's gonna be a close game, it's a toss-up really. Detroit is young and so are we so anything can happen. Don't forget last season we had some pretty bad losses as well and let us not forget about what happened in Detroit last year, it was really the turning point of the season. Either way this could be the turning point of the season.
I'm not gonna predict the score or who's gonna win because it's a toss up. All I am betting on is that there will be turn-overs-a-plenty.
https://twitter.com/EvanTMZ/status/423546691778641921
Geez I hope this isn't Bryce. Tonight's game could be a blowout if we're dealing with this.
It was Javaris Crittenton, not a star
Quote from: valpotx on January 15, 2014, 02:31:15 PM
It was Javaris Crittenton, not a star
Well he did have a higher PER than Bryce :p
Quote from: valpotx on January 15, 2014, 02:31:15 PMIt was Javaris Crittenton, not a star
For him, that might be the most humiliating part of the whole thing.
when you need someone to deliver the goods, though, yeah, get yourself a point guard. a true one, not a "shoot-first" one or the goods will end up in his arm.
Well tonight's game just got a bit tougher. Jordan is not dressing due to an injury.
Jordan Coleman is not dressed, out with an injury tonight
"Hail Crusaders! Who rise to glory, our challenge has been hurled. Team Victorious, our colors glorious are known through out the world, Valparaiso, we're here to back you, Our cheers like thunder roar. See our school, our team, see our colors gleam. Let's fight for the Brown and Gold! "
our first 4 processions are turnovers....
2-2 at the under 16? This is not the Detroit team of years past...
We have given up 9 three point attempts and 8 of them have been WIDE OPEN. Our zone rotates spook slowly.
Peters is not the same player we saw at the beginning of the year. These are his 1st half stats.
0 Points 0-4 field goals 1 reb 1 ast 2 turnovers 1 personal foul
Peters also played more minutes than anyone else.
Well if this Coleman injury is anything long-term then Peters has to start scoring, because he'll get the bulk of the minutes at the 3 while still playing some at the 4 I would guess.
so. .. What is the injury for Coleman?
Quote from: Smj on January 15, 2014, 07:47:07 PM
so. .. What is the injury for Coleman?
Both Paul Oren and the official basketball account both tweeted saying he was out due to injury, no specifics given.
Announcer "capabianco with the baby dunk"
Please hang on to this one guys...
"Hail Crusaders! Who rise to glory, our challenge has been hurled. Team Victorious, our colors glorious are known through out the world, Valparaiso, we're here to back you, Our cheers like thunder roar. See our school, our team, see our colors gleam. Let's fight for the Brown and Gold! "
Great dunk by Lexus. Posterized the Detroit defender.
Lexus just dunked in traffic. ....
ROAD WIN!
"Hail Crusaders! Who rise to glory, our challenge has been hurled. Team Victorious, our colors glorious are known through out the world, Valparaiso, we're here to back you, Our cheers like thunder roar. See our school, our team, see our colors gleam. Let's fight for the Brown and Gold! "
Lexus is the real deal
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Good conference road win, if we can shoot like that from the line every game we will be looking at some better results (36-44, 81.8%)
I only have to say that it was good to get a road win, regardless of how ugly the overall game was for both teams. Let's get another W this weekend!
I think we beat a last place Detroit team. Ex-Howard they are really bad. We played very bad the first half and with Carter riding the pines, Coleman out and Peters invisible, somehow won. Credit a solid performance by Adekoya as well as our bigs, plus outstanding free throw shooting and much better patience.
Any road win is a good road win! Even better considering 0 points from Coleman, Carter and Peters.
Nice to see Lexus play well and show he deserves to be starting and playing big minutes. Why he lost his starting spot before Carter had ever played a minute at Valpo is beyond me, but maybe Bryce felt he needed to keep certain people happy. Mature move by Lexus to stay engaged and help the team get back on track. :clap:
Quote from: Smj on January 15, 2014, 07:47:07 PMso. .. What is the injury for Coleman?
Now they're saying minor concussion, questionable for UWM on Saturday
I am beginning to cringe every time I see us in the zone! Not only do we not move fast enough to cover everybody on the outside but one or two guys are always missed on the box outs often leading to offensive put backs. At the same time our man defense is looking better and better.
Quote from: vu72 on January 15, 2014, 08:36:44 PMCredit a solid performance by Adekoya as well as our bigs, plus outstanding free throw shooting and much better patience.
I thought that Coleman being out would translate into a death sentence. We should not be able to frequently win HL games going most of the way with Jubril and Alec at the 3 (neither are as yet good enough confident ball handlers). Both of those kids need to drive to the basket when they have the opening in order to open things up. Peters in particular has lost all confidence with his dribble and it hasn't helped him that in his last three games several charges have been called against him that looked to have been blocking fouls.
Nice contribution from Clay, and finally a couple of clean wide open backdoor cuts that should be open for us far more often than we have been using it.
Overall this was a good game for us (duh, we won). I thought we'd have some difficulty with Coleman out being able to score since he's been coming on as of late. If it weren't for JuWan Howard having a career game we win by 15 or 20 points.
First 10 minutes of the game was similar to the Wright State game, turnovers left and right. Had about 10, 10 minutes in and only finished with 19, so 9 over the course of 30 minutes. I really think being able to close a game out like we did will really boost our confidence in games when it's tight late. A couple of clutch 3's by Lexus and LVD really doused the hopes of a comeback for Detroit.
As of this moment in the season Lexus has been the best freshman. Made 2 big 3's late in both halves and how bout that dunk with 30 seconds left! It was nice to see the energy that he brought to the court and he has been by far the biggest surprise of the season since nobody expected him to do much and very few talked about him. He's definitely making an argument for FoY honors. I said early in the season he reminds me a bit of Keifer Sykes, and it was nice to see him put together a full 40.
I also thought LVD played well tonight, had 21 and was good from the charity stripe as was the rest of the team. I also thought Vashil played well and is showing why he should be in there over Moussa and is improving every game, he also made some big FTs early in the 2nd half!
I also thought Jubril Adekoya (apparently pronounce Adgekoyoo) played well. Had 11 and 9 and made a few nice moves around the hoop.
Anyways, Peters, he has not looked good. He isn't confident in what he does, hopefully he can break out of this funk at perhaps a nice win like this can do it. We know he has star potential when he plays with confidence (ie Evansville & Loyola). Hopefully against Milwaukee he can put together a better stat-line than his past few performances.
Good win for 'em. 2nd road win, nice to close a game out like we did. Hopefully we can carry the momentum into Saturday as we take on the Panthers (unfortunately I cannot be nor watch the game due to a wedding but I will be there in spirit). Like I said, any road win is a good road win, especially after that dismal performance against WSU and with Jordan out as well.
Any road win's a good win, and we can't look down our noses at anything these days.
Sticking this here: Bryce mentioned on the front page of CBSsports, but not for tonight
QuoteThis winning shot will look familiar to anyone who knows the name Bryce Drew.
and the link takes you to
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24410493/video-toledo-moves-to-142-after-buzzerbeater-over-buffalo (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24410493/video-toledo-moves-to-142-after-buzzerbeater-over-buffalo)
not as impressive as ours, but hey, nice for pulling it off.
also, bryce h. drew: still never lost in detroit!!!
well
except when he was playing for the bulls.
HEYO
nice road win. We very easy could be 3-1 in the conference.
Did anyone notice how empty the stands were? What was the attendance?
Cleo came up with a big 3 in the 2nd half. I wouldn't have predicted him playing more minutes than Carter tonight.
Only one person could've predicted it
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Quote from: oklahomamick on January 15, 2014, 10:18:15 PMCleo came up with a big 3 in the 2nd half. I wouldn't have predicted him playing more minutes than Carter tonight.
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 15, 2014, 07:25:07 PMPeters is not the same player we saw at the beginning of the year. These are his 1st half stats. 0 Points 0-4 field goals 1 reb 1 ast 2 turnovers 1 personal foul Peters also played more minutes than anyone else.
The nothing Valpo is getting from both Carter and Peters is deafening. I truly thought Carter's break in time would be a lot less if he ever emerges at all. For a guy getting the most minutes Peters' nothing really hurts. I'm not really sure why Carter's playing time is being cut but Peters' playing time isn't being cut. What promises did Bryce make to Alec?
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on January 15, 2014, 10:03:37 PMnot as impressive as ours, but hey, nice for pulling it off.
Nice to be able to run the baseline, eh?
Clay Yeo had been in a captive cocoon like state at the end of the bench until tonight when he suddenly metamorphosised into a butterfly like creature called a Cleo! Maybe before we can field a whole team with similar beauty and function several more players will need to undergo the same process.
I wonder how many more duds it take before Bryce makes Peters earn his starting spot back.
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Glad to see the win.
I didn't know where else to put this -- in today's Des Moines Register, there was an article about the Drake/Loyola game last night. (Drake lost, 70-60). The game was at the Gentile Center (I hope that's what they call the Loyola gym.) Anyway, there was a sidebar article dwelling on two points -- first, that the gym is beautiful, and, second, there were only 1,702 fans at the game.
Paul
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 15, 2014, 10:15:28 PM
nice road win. We very easy could be 3-1 in the conference.
Did anyone notice how empty the stands were? What was the attendance?
Nice win for you guys. Anytime Detroit loses, I'm a fan. And they claimed they don't need OU and we don't really help their attendance. What was there, 800 there tonight? Nice win, Valpo.
The only reason why I can think that Carter barely played and Alec led the team is that we were out Jordan Coleman, if we had Jordan Alec would've been under 20 or less. The reason why Keith didn't play was because both LVD and Lexus had big games and Keith can't really play another position. I don't know why Keith didn't see playing time in the second half when LVD or Lexus were out. Perhaps he was hurt a bit and nobody knew about it or Bryce planned to put him in later in the game but Lexus and LVD were both performing quite well.
Quote from: Oudrummer on January 16, 2014, 07:49:30 AM
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 15, 2014, 10:15:28 PM
nice road win. We very easy could be 3-1 in the conference.
Did anyone notice how empty the stands were? What was the attendance?
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Nice win for you guys. Anytime Detroit loses, I'm a fan. And they claimed they don't need OU and we don't really help their attendance. What was there, 800 there tonight? Nice win, Valpo.
The box score says 1602. Don't understand it either unless there was bad weather or something. I suppose you are always going to draw better on a weekend versus a Wednesday, but if you are a fan you would thing seeing Valpo would be an attractive game to pick with all the history. They drew almost 7000 for Oakland, which I think was their homecoming game. They had 2700 for WSU and 3100 for Bethune Cookman?? Really? Makes no sense.
Official attendance: 1,602. Lol.
Didn't get a chance to watch the game - I was at the game of Milwaukee's other Horizon-caliber team. Judging by the 64 total free throws attempted, it was probably one of the better games to miss. 10 total assists vs 19 TO is pretty alarming, and Carter having 0 points, 0 assists, 4 turnovers and 2 fouls in 8 minutes jumped out at me as well. At the beginning of the year I thought he was WAY too hyped up... to the point where every close game he was mentioned as a guy that would've swung the game in our favor.
"I was at the game of Milwaukee's other Horizon (League)-caliber team."
The Bucks?
Were there even 1,602 on hand?
Question: how many Horizon League teams will have fewer wins this season than the Bucks? Will anyone?
The team stayed in the game despite every chance to fade. They kept working and beat a weak team buy improving their defense, drawing fouls and continuing to work at their offense and overcame injures and poor performances of several key players. This team is a work in progress. good job, now grow! :)
Quote from: 78crusader on January 16, 2014, 07:48:32 AM
Glad to see the win.
I didn't know where else to put this -- in today's Des Moines Register, there was an article about the Drake/Loyola game last night. (Drake lost, 70-60). The game was at the Gentile Center (I hope that's what they call the Loyola gym.) Anyway, there was a sidebar article dwelling on two points -- first, that the gym is beautiful, and, second, there were only 1,702 fans at the game.
Paul
Rambler is a former fellow employee. He was a nice guy but a below average performer. Much to everyone's surprise, a few months ago Rambler got hired by one of our competitors. His new bosses took him out on a meet-and-greet and spent a lot of time playing him up. Now that Rambler is on the job his early results don't seem to be consistent with all the hype. His coworkers are wondering why they ever hired him, but the bosses (who are totally invested in Rambler's success) are telling everyone that he's a diamond in the rough who needs more time. This is a developing story. Stay tuned... ;)
Quote from: historyman on January 15, 2014, 11:05:54 PM
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 15, 2014, 10:18:15 PMCleo came up with a big 3 in the 2nd half. I wouldn't have predicted him playing more minutes than Carter tonight.
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 15, 2014, 07:25:07 PMPeters is not the same player we saw at the beginning of the year. These are his 1st half stats. 0 Points 0-4 field goals 1 reb 1 ast 2 turnovers 1 personal foul Peters also played more minutes than anyone else.
The nothing Valpo is getting from both Carter and Peters is deafening. I truly thought Carter's break in time would be a lot less if he ever emerges at all. For a guy getting the most minutes Peters' nothing really hurts. I'm not really sure why Carter's playing time is being cut but Peters' playing time isn't being cut. What promises did Bryce make to Alec?
I wonder if he promised him that he would play our 2nd leading scorer and 3rd leading rebounder plenty of minutes. Couldn't be that.
Alec will not be taken out of the starting lineup or play less than 20 minutes in any game in his career at Valpo, unless he has severe foul trouble. Regardless of his crap performances over the last few games, I imagine that Bryce promised him such playing time/starts in recruiting, and won't go back on that promise. That was a big factor in Alec choosing our offer over many higher ranked programs, that immediate playing time. If Bryce goes back on that, Alec could essentially have a pick of programs to transfer to. He is a good player, but is struggling to find his college identity right now. He was so used to being quicker than opposing players in HS, that he is not able to create his own shot at this level in his FR year. Rowdy had the same problem over his first few years, until he really worked on his overall game to drive and get more shots outside of just 3 pointers.
Anything's possible, but I would be surprised if Bryce literally promised Alec he would start every game regardless of his performance on the court. The fact is we're nearly 2/3 into the season. You can't keep experimenting with lineups and rotations forever, unless you no longer have anything to play for. Without question Alec is one of the top 5 players on the team and should be in the starting lineup going into the home stretch. His biggest problem is he's lost his shooting touch from the perimeter and he's pressing. Sitting him on the bench and giving more time to dwell on it could be the absolutely worst thing to do. Let's be honest. If we hope to earn a decent seed, Alec is going to have to be a major contributor. I think it's just a matter of time till he breaks out of this funk and helps lead this team to reach its potential, whatever that is.
Quote from: dylanrocks on January 16, 2014, 10:11:28 AM
"I was at the game of Milwaukee's other Horizon (League)-caliber team."
The Bucks?
Were there even 1,602 on hand?
Question: how many Horizon League teams will have fewer wins this season than the Bucks? Will anyone?
Do non-D1 teams count? Yeah, attendance is understandably awful, but at least it's better than a couple other teams with better records. Goal this year isn't really to win more games than Horizon League teams, it's not not end up in a spot that lands you Jabari Parker or Andrew Wiggins instead of Doug McDermott in the 1st round.
I don't have as much of a concern with Alec's 3pt shooting as I do with his turnovers and lack of defense. His shooting will come around. The turnovers and his opponent scoring often need to stop.
Who knows, but they could all be related. You start pressing, then overthinking, next come the suggestions from well intending friends and family, and before you know it you're in a full blown funk.
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 16, 2014, 12:55:54 PMI don't have as much of a concern with Alec's 3pt shooting as I do with his turnovers and lack of defense. His shooting will come around. The turnovers and his opponent scoring often need to stop.
I believe there was a sequence where Detroit got about 5 offensive rebounds in a row. Luckily all they did was waste critical time on the clock and turn the ball over on a traveling call. I think it was Alec's man that got most of those offensive rebounds. Valpo had actually out rebounded Detroit significantly in the first half and the rebound totals for the entire game were VU 36, UDM 27. 1st half VU 25, UDM 7. So in the second half Valpo got out rebounded 20-11. Peters had 1 rebound in a game he played 25 minutes in. I really hope Alec gets things turned around but at some point Bryce has to recognize that he has given Alec all the leeway he can this season and start again next year.
I am going to start doing some referee tracking.
Detroit Game:
- Referees blew the whistle on virtually all contact going to the basket.
- Ansinger / Marrow / Spedoske
WSU Game:
- Referees did not blow the whistle on virtually any contact going to the basket.
- Juzenas / Adams / Smith
Personally, I think that the WSU game officials let way too much go. I also think that the Detroit game officials called way to many fouls. Perhaps we will settle into a happy medium the rest of the season? The players and coaches deserve some consistency.
My co-worker coaches soccer. I know that he always requests the names of the officials the day before the game so that he can instruct his players on "how to play". I wonder if our coaching staff either does, or needs to start doing, something similar.
Great idea! The WSU no calls were ridiculous on both sides, as were all the calls on both sides yesterday. I really hope that one day, when the NCAA mandates rule changes, that referees/umpires call the games consistently throughout the ENTIRE season. Not just during non-conference play, when it was pretty consistent. It seems like we have reverted to last year in allowing the offensive player to extend his arm to gain space, allow defenders to move into charges, allow arm bars, etc.
Quote from: SanityLost17 on January 16, 2014, 02:56:20 PM
I am going to start doing some referee tracking.
Detroit Game:
- Referees blew the whistle on virtually all contact going to the basket.
- Ansinger / Marrow / Spedoske
WSU Game:
- Referees did not blow the whistle on virtually any contact going to the basket.
- Juzenas / Adams / Smith
Personally, I think that the WSU game officials let way too much go. I also think that the Detroit game officials called way to many fouls. Perhaps we will settle into a happy medium the rest of the season? The players and coaches deserve some consistency.
My co-worker coaches soccer. I know that he always requests the names of the officials the day before the game so that he can instruct his players on "how to play". I wonder if our coaching staff either does, or needs to start doing, something similar.
They didn't get the memo that they're completely abandoning the rules from the 1st half of the year. The Wisconsin vs Indiana and Kentucky vs Arkansas games more resembled football than basketball.
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ESPN says there were 1,600 at the game last night. I think that's a generous number. Anyhow, one of the 1,600 in the crowd was Doug Anderson from last year's Detroit team. I wonder if he said hello to Cappo or was hoping for a hard foul when Cappo had his "baby" dunk in the 2nd half?
Did Anderson end up playing with the Globetrotters? I know that he was 'drafted' by them in the summer, but haven't heard anything about him suiting up. I Googled it, but it doesn't look like they would be using his true name much, and I don't want to click on each profile on their website to see which name he might be.
Quote from: a3uge on January 16, 2014, 03:31:56 PMThey didn't get the memo that they're completely abandoning the rules from the 1st half of the year. The Wisconsin vs Indiana and Kentucky vs Arkansas games more resembled football than basketball.
I watched neither of these games but your observations would seem to confirm the points that Sanity, myself and others have been trying to express in that for the most part we are back to last years rules with maybe a few referee teams actually following the new "points of emphasis" interpretation.
Quote from: valpotx on January 16, 2014, 02:59:35 PMIt seems like we have reverted to last year in allowing the offensive player to extend his arm to gain space, allow defenders to move into charges, allow arm bars, etc.
If consistency is actually what the NCAA and the power conferences want (since they hold most of the cards over the mid-majors) then it should be achievable. Somebody correct me if I am wrong but I would assume that college referee crews operate much like High Schools crews in that individuals will pair up with equally competent, like-minded and geographically close-by partners and work much of the season as a group. If that is accurate then maybe the NCAA should introduce some random, temporary and continually ongoing crew reshuffles both within and outside of their home conferences. It would take some time but eventually more uniformity could be brought to the system.
Yes I know that some or all of the basketball elite would try to shoot this down because it would be viewed as an attack on their basketball sovereignty but if you have a better idea then throw it out there and lets kick it around .
There's no way Bryce promised Alec he'd start every game. Why would somebody of the character and intelligence of Alec Peters want to come to a school where a coach would make such a crazy promise. Peters came to Valpo because he loved the school and coaches and was a small town kid that really felt at home in that setting. He clearly lost minutes last night in the second half to Bobby, and likely would have played significantly less minutes if Jordan Coleman had been in uniform. I'm sure if he continues to play the way he has of late he'll continue to lose minutes. If I was a gambling man, I put a few dollars on Peters breaking out of this slump very shortly. One other point on this subject, hasn't Bryce showed with his benching of Keith Carter, that's he's not one to make such playing time promises just to bring in big-time recruits.
I think that when Paul Oren said on here "as long as Alec Peters is in a VU uniform, he'll be starting" some people took that as Paul lifting the curtain on something someone else (coaching) had said to him.
I think he would admit that was merely his (Paul's) opinion.
It's a pretty safe assumption to make, given both his (Peters') talent and size (we'll always need height, whereas guards are much more easily yo-yoed about).
But it's not something Bryce told him (either Paul or Alec), and it's certainly not any kind of promise that would have been made in recruiting.
If you think that's the kind of thing he (Bryce) would say, then you don't know him.
There is no freaking way that Bryce told Alec he'd start every game. If Jordan was healthy last-night I guarantee you Alec would've been on the bench for most of the 2nd half.
Quote from: classof2014 on January 16, 2014, 07:24:44 PMThere is no freaking way that Bryce told Alec he'd start every game. If Jordan was healthy last-night I guarantee you Alec would've been on the bench for most of the 2nd half.
I am not going to argue that you are wrong, but until very recently weren't you one of guys calling for far less playing time for Jordan? :-\
Quote from: classof2014 on January 16, 2014, 07:24:44 PM
There is no freaking way that Bryce told Alec he'd start every game. If Jordan was healthy last-night I guarantee you Alec would've been on the bench for most of the 2nd half.
I am obviously one of those that took Paul's comment early in the season to mean that he had extra information in that area. Apparently, I read too much into that comment. However, I highly doubt that Alec will sit out most of any half this year, as he is still one of those guys that can immediately break out of a shooting slump with a made FT or shot.
Quote from: valpotx on January 17, 2014, 01:35:56 AM
Quote from: classof2014 on January 16, 2014, 07:24:44 PM
There is no freaking way that Bryce told Alec he'd start every game. If Jordan was healthy last-night I guarantee you Alec would've been on the bench for most of the 2nd half.
I am obviously one of those that took Paul's comment early in the season to mean that he had extra information in that area. Apparently, I read too much into that comment. However, I highly doubt that Alec will sit out most of any half this year, as he is still one of those guys that can immediately break out of a shooting slump with a made FT or shot.
Don't feel alone. I took Chef's comment that Keith Carter is the best player on the team to mean that he had extra information in that area. ;)
Did I say he was the best player on the team? I thought I said he was a special talent. Like most I have concerns with how he has played of late. I do commend Bryce in sitting him down in games which he has really struggled. I do think the ability is there, as we saw in the UIC game.
Quote from: chef on January 17, 2014, 08:05:53 AM
Did I say he was the best player on the team? I thought I said he was a special talent. Like most I have concerns with how he has played of late. I do commend Bryce in sitting him down in games which he has really struggled. I do think the ability is there, as we saw in the UIC game.
Mine wasn't a serious comment. My apologies if you took it that way.
No need to apologize...shots and Keith Carter and myself are fair game right now.
Well, even I once said that Chris Halvorsen was going to be a good player! :o
Quote from: valpotx on January 17, 2014, 01:35:56 AM
Quote from: classof2014 on January 16, 2014, 07:24:44 PM
There is no freaking way that Bryce told Alec he'd start every game. If Jordan was healthy last-night I guarantee you Alec would've been on the bench for most of the 2nd half.
I am obviously one of those that took Paul's comment early in the season to mean that he had extra information in that area. Apparently, I read too much into that comment. However, I highly doubt that Alec will sit out most of any half this year, as he is still one of those guys that can immediately break out of a shooting slump with a made FT or shot.
Never said it would happen often that he's on the bench most of a half but because he struggled so much in the Detroit game, if Jordan was healthy he would've been on the bench for 10+ minutes in the second half. The Detroit game was Alec's worst game, by far, so chances are if Jordan was healthy, in a close game, Alec would've been on the bench for 10+ minutes in the second half.
Time to set the record straight on a few things....
1) Yes, I said that as long as Alec Peters is at Valpo, he'd be in the starting lineup. I had absolutely no inside information on this, other than I'd seen him play and figured he was as good as advertised and the coaching staff had very high expectations for him. Alec is a player who can make an impact even when he isn't scoring. I'll have more on this in tomorrow's paper. I have absolutely no clue as to what promises were made. I don't think when you get to this level (mid-major) that there are promises. AAU, definitely. High major D1, sure. I just don't see Bryce being the kind of guy (or Donlon, Kampe, Jeter, Waters, Wardle, etc... for that matter) telling a guy "if you come here, you're guaranteed to start." Obviously Alec saw the opportunity to start (team losing top six players). I don't think he needed any kind of guarantee to come to Valpo.
2) I watched three open gym sessions during the summer and I tweeted that Keith Carter was the best player on the floor. I laughed as this proclamation spiraled out of control and media entities such as Blue Ribbon, CBS Sports and USA Today all stated in some words or another that "preseason reports indicate Keith Carter is the best player on the team." Those reports all came from one tweet (if I can allow myself to think I have that big of an impact, which seems unlikely). I still believe that Carter is the most talented player on the team. I also believe that Carter is essentially a freshman; believe he is a player that went more than a year without any game competition; and a player that is struggling to fit into a system/style that was established for the previous two months. You've all seen the talent (UIC) and I think Bryce needs to be lauded for sitting KCJR when he has struggled.
Mixing the two points. If Bryce is the kind of guy that "makes promises" you'd almost certainly have to agree that he would've made a promise to the Mr. Basketball Runner-up. That promise would've been breached multiple times already. My point is that I can't imagine there were promises made. My second point is that Valpo just won a road game without three of the best players on the team contributing at their level. My third point is that for everyone on here that keeps on discussing transfers, slow your roll. Don't you know it's the media's role to gin up controversies? :)
For better or worse, this has really been an enjoyable season. Let's continue to enjoy the ride.
Speculating is fun, though. Realistically, if anyone were to transfer, it would be Nick Davidson. That is unless he has the patience that Seth Colclasure had to get minutes, which took him a few years as well. If Chadwick graduates from Valpo this year, he would have a big decision to make as well for his last year.
Quote from: Pgmado on January 17, 2014, 11:47:30 AM
For better or worse, this has really been an enjoyable season. Let's continue to enjoy the ride.
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Certainly AP, JA and LW wouldn't consider transferring. They've all started and starred in numerous games, and they have to know that they will be core players for 3 more years after this. CY has played and contributed enough to be incentivized to stay. I hope ND chooses to stay the course as well.
Quote from: Pgmado on January 17, 2014, 11:47:30 AM
If Bryce is the kind of guy that "makes promises" you'd almost certainly have to agree that he would've made a promise to the Mr. Basketball Runner-up. That promise would've been breached multiple times already. My point is that I can't imagine there were promises made.
If coaches don't make promises, they certainly insinuate them. That's part of recruiting and they wouldn't be doing their job if they didn't do everything possible to get kids to their school. With that said, it should be obvious that the situations for Peters and Carter are radically different. If Carter isn't happy with how Bryce handles him, he can leave and either sit another year to get one final DI season (and have a DI career of approximately 40 games), or go to at DII and play two more years. Bryce has the upper hand.
As for Peters, if he's unhappy with his situation, he could leave after the season, sit/develop for a year and have three years left. IMO, he's shown enough potential this year that he'd have many high-major suitors if he chose to leave.
With that said, I think it's the job of the head coach to play the guys who give the team the best chance to win. I assume that's what Bryce is doing and what he'll continue to do.
Quote from: EddieCabot on January 17, 2014, 09:47:30 PM
Quote from: Pgmado on January 17, 2014, 11:47:30 AM
If Bryce is the kind of guy that "makes promises" you'd almost certainly have to agree that he would've made a promise to the Mr. Basketball Runner-up. That promise would've been breached multiple times already. My point is that I can't imagine there were promises made.
If coaches don't make promises, they certainly insinuate them. That's part of recruiting and they wouldn't be doing their job if they didn't do everything possible to get kids to their school. With that said, it should be obvious that the situations for Peters and Carter are radically different. If Carter isn't happy with how Bryce handles him, he can leave and either sit another year to get one final DI season (and have a DI career of approximately 40 games), or go to at DII and play two more years. Bryce has the upper hand.
As for Peters, if he's unhappy with his situation, he could leave after the season, sit/develop for a year and have three years left. IMO, he's shown enough potential this year that he'd have many high-major suitors if he chose to leave.
With that said, I think it's the job of the head coach to play the guys who give the team the best chance to win. I assume that's what Bryce is doing and what he'll continue to do.
Eddie, our dear Butler fan. has had lot's of advice for us but has been silent on his own team's woes. When might we expect a Cathbut win??
The game summary video was posted. I was looking forward to seeing the Lexus dunk again but they picked a horrible angle (from under the rim). It was way better from the side.
Takes me back to Spud Web (showing my age). Lexus posterized a player - it was not just a breakaway dunk on his own.
Valpo needs to use that in a promotional video.