2019 6'3 Alex Hemenway of Castle (IN) picked up an offer from Valparaiso today per Trevor Andershock of INBballsource and also shown on Verbal Commits for Valparaiso.
Quote from: vufan75 on September 24, 2016, 09:12:19 PM
2019 6'3 Alex Hemenway of Castle (IN) picked up an offer from Valparaiso today per Trevor Andershock of INBballsource and also shown on Verbal Commits for Valparaiso
A Castle Knights gem. Now there is a team that can beat you in a close "chess match" and also in an all out "jousting competition" offensive struggle. They are from Newburgh, IN on the east side of the Evansville area where Hwy 66 goes from being an urban freeway to a winding river road.
(https://suesbooks.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/peek-inside-knights-castle.jpg)
https://www.twitter.com/hemenway_chris/status/780044105036525568
They need to put on the wall 6' and 7' lines so we can have a sense of how tall they really are (or maybe silhouettes of Smits, AP and Bryce for comparisons).
Quote from: wh on September 27, 2016, 02:15:35 AM
https://www.twitter.com/hemenway_chris/status/780044105036525568
This kid is supposed to be even a better shortstop then a point guard. I wonder if he would be allowed to play both as did guys like Bruce Lindner back in the day. I know Valpo just signed a woman who will be allowed to play both volleyball and softball. You just don't see two sport athletes very often in today's world.
vu72, you missed a good opportunity to mention Jamie Sykes!
http://www.sbnation.com/longform/2013/3/19/4119040/march-madness-valparaiso-ole-miss-buzzer-beater-history (http://www.sbnation.com/longform/2013/3/19/4119040/march-madness-valparaiso-ole-miss-buzzer-beater-history)
http://www.espn.com/espn/page2/story?page=ncaa/070315 (http://www.espn.com/espn/page2/story?page=ncaa/070315)http://www.espn.com/espn/page2/story?page=ncaa/070315
Quote from: valpo84 on September 28, 2016, 12:37:23 PM
vu72, you missed a good opportunity to mention Jamie Sykes!
http://www.sbnation.com/longform/2013/3/19/4119040/march-madness-valparaiso-ole-miss-buzzer-beater-history (http://www.sbnation.com/longform/2013/3/19/4119040/march-madness-valparaiso-ole-miss-buzzer-beater-history)
http://www.espn.com/espn/page2/story?page=ncaa/070315 (http://www.espn.com/espn/page2/story?page=ncaa/070315)http://www.espn.com/espn/page2/story?page=ncaa/070315
For sure. What a great article in sbnation. Jamie may have been the last two sport player for Valpo.
One of the Jenkins brothers, as well. I believe that it was Bill? Both he and Sykes got drafted in baseball.
https://twitter.com/ad23harris/status/792066547682516992
I can't find a verbal commit profile or youtube video for the recruit. I guess he's coming for a visit sometime in November. Hope the visit goes well.
The women's team had a walk-on, Amanda Meyer, who played 3 sports at one point in her college career. She was on the soccer team, walk-on with the basketball team, and was a sprinter on the track team. As I recall, she's the only 3 sport female athlete in the Valpo Hall of Fame.
Quote from: valporun on November 01, 2016, 06:39:10 PM
The women's team had a walk-on, Amanda Meyer, who played 3 sports at one point in her college career. She was on the soccer team, walk-on with the basketball team, and was a sprinter on the track team. As I recall, she's the only 3 sport female athlete in the Valpo Hall of Fame.
Ah yes, and quite a character, at that :)
Quote from: valpotx on November 04, 2016, 08:32:41 PM
Quote from: valporun on November 01, 2016, 06:39:10 PM
The women's team had a walk-on, Amanda Meyer, who played 3 sports at one point in her college career. She was on the soccer team, walk-on with the basketball team, and was a sprinter on the track team. As I recall, she's the only 3 sport female athlete in the Valpo Hall of Fame.
Ah yes, and quite a character, at that :)
She was no Kayla Ming!
Or Heather Furr for that matter.
We had a recruit visit a few days ago. He's one of the up and coming IL recruits.
Jeremiah Hernandez 6'4" G/F 2019 St. Viator (IL)
https://twitter.com/aintujerry_/status/795322167198105600
https://twitter.com/hernandezdns/status/795004646343507969
https://twitter.com/hernandezdns/status/795097693240590337
"The consensus around the camp was he played well enough to be selected to one of the All-Star teams. This kid was one of the Top 5 under-rated talents at the event. Top 20-25 in our deep 2019 crop in Illinois."
http://illinois-spotlite.blogspot.com/2016/10/top-youngsters-i-was-impressed-with.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwkBnvZ-zF4
Quote from: Pgmado on November 06, 2016, 04:57:21 PM
Quote from: valpotx on November 04, 2016, 08:32:41 PM
Quote from: valporun on November 01, 2016, 06:39:10 PM
The women's team had a walk-on, Amanda Meyer, who played 3 sports at one point in her college career. She was on the soccer team, walk-on with the basketball team, and was a sprinter on the track team. As I recall, she's the only 3 sport female athlete in the Valpo Hall of Fame.
Ah yes, and quite a character, at that :)
She was no Kayla Ming!
Or Heather Furr for that matter.
Heather was definitely a goofball
https://twitter.com/strictly_skills/status/775760647896334336
Valpo recruit Alex Hemenway visited Butler on Tuesday....
The kid is going to be a flat out stud. He's starting to get attention from Big East and Big 10 schools this AAU season. He plays for on of the Top Indiana AAU squads, Indiana Elite.
I hope our coaches build a close relationship with him. You can already tell he'd be a program changing recruit. Current offers: Valpo, Evansville and IUPUI. Thats saying something if Valpo already offered him and he's in the class of 2019. Our coaching staff is extremely judicial and picky with who we hand out offers to (as we should be).
https://twitter.com/PocketCityBball/status/867794152037249024
https://twitter.com/InTheGymHoops/status/859178221534892032
https://twitter.com/strictly_skills/status/875772056750641153
Position: PG
Height: 5-11
https://twitter.com/PrepHoopsMI/status/857781744589787136
https://twitter.com/PrepHoopsMI/status/858426854637805568
https://twitter.com/6deepbasketball/status/862388858914312192
https://twitter.com/PrepHoopsMI/status/868595184191328256
https://twitter.com/PrepHoopsMI/status/868895546228043776
https://twitter.com/PrepHoopsMI/status/868914626116931585
https://twitter.com/PrepHoopsMI/status/870115337517322240
https://twitter.com/6deepbasketball/status/873693554299809796
https://twitter.com/6deepbasketball/status/873713016168165381
https://twitter.com/PrepHoopsMI/status/875400192614428673
https://twitter.com/scoopIPS/status/875747963649368064
https://twitter.com/BankHoops/status/871453703986958336
"Zach Goodline 5-10 So West Michigan Lakers (Coloma): Parallel 45 had the blueprint to slow down Goodline the week before at the Camp Darryl Classic — beat up the underclassman with 190-pound guards then let him try to finish over a true-sized post. But neither of the Lakers' 17U final four opponents, TEAM Basketball or REACH, have that kind of personnel, and the 1,000-point prep scorer was back in the Goodie Mob form we saw against "The Elite" back at Spiece. With Goodline having his way off the dribble, finishing at ridiculous angles and spacing the floor with his shooting, it opened things up for West Ottawa wing Drew Pedersen to go off against REACH and center Dan Cluster to have his best tournament to date. He is the most offensively gifted point guards in the 2019 class, with D2s praying he doesn't grow."
https://www.prephoops.com/2017/05/prospect-spotlight-zach-goodline-2019/
"Coloma's 5-foot-11 point guard, Zach Goodline, is playing up a grade level this summer on the grassroots circuit, and hoping his early interest can materialize into offers."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPKUjqRtgsE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D2WQqZTR4E
Calumet has a 2020 guard Da'Vion Davis who wants to go to valpo and will be one of, if not the, the best players in his class in the area. He went to one of their camps last year and had a nice relationship with Coach Manuel. He is friends and trained with Mileek last summer.
Kid is an elite shooter, very good passer, great handles. Was hidden on JV as a freshman and averaged 25 and has been playing great this summer for the Hammond Hurricanes. Just a name to remember.
Quote from: M on June 16, 2017, 04:20:41 PM
Calumet has a 2020 guard Da'Vion Davis who wants to go to valpo and will be one of, if not the, the best players in his class in the area. He went to one of their camps last year and had a nice relationship with Coach Manuel. He is friends and trained with Mileek last summer.
Kid is an elite shooter, very good passer, great handles. Was hidden on JV as a freshman and averaged 25 and has been playing great this summer for the Hammond Hurricanes. Just a name to remember.
Nice to hear local kids wanting to play for Valpo. I feel like Valpo's sustained success the last 6-7 years could help bring up the next generation of fans/recruits from the area. They will have grown up with Valpo being a successful team from "The Region" and maybe by the time they reach High School the kids that are talented enough to go D1 will want to play for their Local Team.
Nice to see more and more Indiana kids coming to Valpo the last few years. Derrik Smits, John Kiser, Nick Davidson, Mileek McMillan, Parker Hazen.
Also really nice to see the Coaching Staff recruiting a lot of Indiana Kids: Deavion Washington (Terre Haute, IN), Walter Ellis (South Bend, IN), Alex Hemenway (Newburgh, IN).
Is anyone familiar with Brandon Newman? I believe he plays for Valpo HS. He received his first D1 offer from IPFW today.
Do you think he's a player Valpo would be interested in? Would be very cool to have a local kid play for his hometown school. I'm sure the coaching staff is very familiar with Brandon.
https://twitter.com/INPrep/status/876193136413900801
https://twitter.com/INBBallSource/status/876180018652737543
Year: 2019 (HS JR)
Position: SG
Height: 6-3
Weight: 175
Hometown: Valparaiso, IN
High School: Valparaiso High School
http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/brandon-newman-in
http://www.hudl.com/profile/6329578/brandon-newman
Quote from: VU2014 on June 17, 2017, 08:54:20 PM
Is anyone familiar with Brandon Newman? I believe he plays for Valpo HS. He received his first D1 offer from IPFW today.
Do you think he's a player Valpo would be interested in? Would be very cool to have a local kid play for his hometown school. I'm sure the coaching staff is very familiar with Brandon.
https://twitter.com/INPrep/status/876193136413900801
https://twitter.com/INBBallSource/status/876180018652737543
Year: 2019 (HS JR)
Position: SG
Height: 6-3
Weight: 175
Hometown: Valparaiso, IN
High School: Valparaiso High School
http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/brandon-newman-in
http://www.hudl.com/profile/6329578/brandon-newman
Yes, I'm familiar with Brandon Newman.
As a sophomore at Valpo High, he was usually the best athlete on the court - and I'm including games against Chesterton, Merrillville and Crown Point. He's going to get a lot more offers. I'm sure he'd be thrilled with an offer from Valpo.
He's a good kid. Coach Coolman from VHS loves him. He will definitely be good enough to play at VU as he matures and gets stronger.
If we are going to start putting up recruiting posts on kids in the class of 2021 I am not sure this is the place, but here it goes.
2021 incoming 14 year old 5'10" Concordia Freshman PG/SG Brian Parrish put up 13 in a scrimmage this past week against 2017 3A #5 Evansville Bosse. Parrish is the Grandson of VU alum and Concordia coaching legend Glenn Parrish and the son of former IPFW player and current TV basketball color commentator Jeff Parrish. Parrish is one of the best incoming guard prospects in the Fort Wayne area.
Had to put this video up because the young man is already sporting the Brown and Gold!
Isn't Concordia a Lutheran school?
Sounds like Valpo coaches have been checking out Colin Kenney from Marquette Catholtic High School (same HS as Ryan Fazekas).
Colin was a NWI Times 2016-17 Boys Basketball All-Area Team First Teamer as a Sophomore for Marquette Catholic.
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/boys-basketball/the-times---boys-basketball-all-area-team/collection_355ee645-463f-527f-9c71-28f85e7f2bf6.html?utm_content=bufferaa927&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer#6
FIRST TEAM: Colin Kenney, Marquette Catholic
Stats: 17.2 ppg, 4.8 apg, 71 3s/49 percent.
Analysis: Kenney shows the poise and leadership of a senior and he's still just 15. Dangerous on the attack and pulling up from deep, he has the knack to know when it's time to share the ball and when it's time to take over the game himself. He led the Blazers within a shot of the 2A state finals.
Position: G
Height: 5'8" - 6'1" (varies depending on site)
Weight: 175 lbs.
Year: Junior
Graduates in 2019
Marquette Catholic High School
Michigan City, IN
GP: 29
P/G:17.2
Ast/G: 4.8
Reb/G: 2.9
Stl/G: 0.9
Blk/G: 0.0
http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/post-tribune/sports/ct-ptb-boys-basketball-notes-st-1223-20161222-story.html
Boys basketball notes: Marquette's Colin Kenney sets gym scoring record
By: Mike Hutton
Post-Tribune
Date: Dec 22, 2016
Marquette sophomore Colin Kenney has had some pretty good shooting nights. He recalled scoring 36 points last summer in an AAU game.
None, however, were as good as Dec. 3 in the Blazers' 78-74 victory over South Bend St. Joseph. He set a Marquette Scholl Center record, scoring 42 points. Kenney, the starting point guard, missed two shots. He was 8-for-9 from 3-point range and 6-for-7 on 2-point field goals. He made all six of his free throws.
"It was awesome," Kenney said. "It was a great atmosphere and a great game." Kenney said he was in a zone. "I felt like I couldn't miss," he said.
Kenney can score, but he doesn't have to. In a 15-point win against Hanover Central, he sat most of the second half and finished with three points. He is averaging 21 points, five assists and two steals.
Marquette coach Donovan Garletts said Kenney has just kept getting better since he worked his way into the starting lineup midway through his freshman season. "I knew he was going to be good," Garletts said. "We just didn't know he'd be that good that quick."
The Blazers (3-2) are a young team. Only Kenney and Jon Andershock, a senior forward, return with experience. The Blazers have "given up a ton of points," Garletts said. Opponents are averaging 68 points.
Garletts expects them to figure it out before the IHSAA tournament starts. "The wonderful thing about the postseason is you can lose 20 (regular-season games) and still be successful," he said. "I definitely think this team will be better at the end of the year."
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https://twitter.com/SYF_Players/status/876978302178787329
https://twitter.com/SYF_Players/status/872195478968041473
Indiana Elite is the team Valpo Recruit Alex Hemenway plays for. Starting to get P5 looks.
https://twitter.com/prephoopstars1/status/864120506747932672
https://twitter.com/prephoopstars1/status/863753092138971138
https://twitter.com/prephoopstars1/status/863758392598249473
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1Vqk2mBTX8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGwgSwZvHVs
I saw Kenney play in the regional. He's a very good player. He's definitely closer to 5-8 than 6-1. He will need to grow, a lot, to be a D-1 recruit. At least he seemed 5-8, this is back at the beginning of March.
Alex Hemenway from Newburgh, IN (Castle (IN)) just got a offer from Creighton. He played for the best AAU team in the state, Indiana Elite.
Valpo offered last summer. This kid is going to be special. He has an amazing jump shot and has underrated athleticism.
Would be an instant impact player if decided to come to school at Valparaiso.
https://youtu.be/GWHHfUobEuU
Sounds like Valpo recruit Alex Hemenway's recruitment has begun to blow up. He's drawing interest from Big East, Big 10, and ACC teams. He took a unofficial visit to Indiana...
His current offers: Valpo, Evansville, IUPUI, Creighton
He would be a game changing recruit if chose to attend & play for Valpo.
https://twitter.com/JeffRabjohns/status/905202521823739905
https://twitter.com/JeffRabjohns/status/905141470096760833
Valpo is apparently showing interest in a new class of 2019 Shooting Guard from Evanston, IL.
https://twitter.com/LanceBuckets/status/905447506443739136
Year: 2019 (HS JR)
Position: SG
Height: 6-2
Weight: NA
Hometown: Evanston, IL
High School: Evanston Township High School
Current Offers: Illinois State, UWM, UAB, WIU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDrbFdOY11k
This offer makes me a little nervous. Belmont is a good program and may be serious competition to Valpo for where Alex Hemenway may attend school. I still think Valpo would be a great and imo we could use shooters.
https://twitter.com/INPrep/status/907379406213206017
Current Offers: Valpo, Evansville, Belmont, Creighton, IUPUI
Quote from: VU2014 on September 11, 2017, 06:48:01 PMThis offer makes me a little nervous. Belmont is a good program and may be serious competition to Valpo for where Alex Hemenway may attend school. I still think Valpo would be a great and imo we could use shooters.
We lost two US 31 kids to Belmont.
Seth Adelsperger (Peru, IN) http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/seth-adelsperger
Mack Mercer (Plymouth, IN) http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/mack-mercer
Quote from: covufan on September 12, 2017, 10:30:44 AM
Quote from: VU2014 on September 11, 2017, 06:48:01 PMThis offer makes me a little nervous. Belmont is a good program and may be serious competition to Valpo for where Alex Hemenway may attend school. I still think Valpo would be a great and imo we could use shooters.
We lost two US 31 kids to Belmont.
Seth Adelsperger (Peru, IN) http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/seth-adelsperger
Mack Mercer (Plymouth, IN) http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/mack-mercer
We lost Adelsberger but got Smits. Seth is 6'11" and only 215#. I like Derrik's upside a lot more.
Quote from: vu72 on September 12, 2017, 10:35:26 AM
Quote from: covufan on September 12, 2017, 10:30:44 AM
Quote from: VU2014 on September 11, 2017, 06:48:01 PMThis offer makes me a little nervous. Belmont is a good program and may be serious competition to Valpo for where Alex Hemenway may attend school. I still think Valpo would be a great and imo we could use shooters.
We lost two US 31 kids to Belmont.
Seth Adelsperger (Peru, IN) http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/seth-adelsperger
Mack Mercer (Plymouth, IN) http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/mack-mercer
We lost Adelsberger but got Smits. Seth is 6'11" and only 215#. I like Derrik's upside a lot more.
Very happy we didn't waste scholarships on 2 slow white guys who don't like contact and can't jump.
Belmont's teams every year seem like almost half their team is comprised of red-shirts. They some how get kids to red-shirt their freshman year so they are a year older and it accumulates to a competitive advantage to have kids that are year older and physically & mentally more mature. It also is a nice advantage in game prep and practices to go up against the red-shirts. Credit to them for recruiting kids that are willing to do that but I can't think of any other team in the nation that takes advantage of the red-shirting freshman as much as Belmont's teams.
They officially have 16 kids registered as part of the team:
They have 7(!) Red-Shirted guys on their roster and none of them were transfer Red-Shirts or Medical Red-Shirts. They already have 3 guys verbally committed for their 2018 class. Belmont recruits similarly to Valpo. Valpo is very selective to who they offer. An offer really is a offer and we don't offer just to show interest (which sadly has become commonplace in D1 basketball these days).
Just taking a look at their roster they'd have 8 other guards on roster by the time Alex would be a Freshman (SG: 3-scholarship/1WO, PG: 3-scholarship/1WO)
Barring transfers/injury/more commits we'd have 4 guards on roster by the time Alex would be a Freshman. Pretty tough to project this far forward.
SG:
-Javon Freeman-Liberty (So.)
Wing/Forward:
-Markus Golder (Sr.) (I'm assuming he'd play more SF his Senior year with Joe Burton graduated by then)
PG:
-Bakari Evelyn (Sr.)
-Micah Bradford (Sr.)
https://twitter.com/CoachMikeEllis/status/908160295020978176
Valpo Coaches are probably scouting Lance Jones.
Another Montréal Offer! Quincy Guerrier an athletic Wing/Forward.
https://twitter.com/VerbalCommits/status/908522959366635522
Status: Undecided
Year: 2019 (HS JR)
Position: SG
Height: 6-7
Weight: 204
Hometown: Montréal, Canada
High School: Thetford Academy (Valpo has offered kids from Thetford in the past)
http://verbalcommits.com/players/quincy-guerrier
Current Offers: Valpo, Syracuse, Oregon, Washington State, Memphis, Florida, Oklahoma, St. Bonaventure, SMU, George Washington, Georgia Tech
https://twitter.com/GodsonJunior1/status/906180373100580865
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WmX5y4pY2o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STqI55WQ5Ug
https://twitter.com/theth_academy/status/908703975020679169
Based on the list of high major offers, if we got this kid it would be the coup of all time!
Quote from: vu72 on September 15, 2017, 11:21:56 AM
Based on the list of high major offers, if we got this kid it would be the coup of all time!
Begs the question...do we really think we have the chops to attract this highly recruited of a player in the next 12-months?
This approach can blow up in our face, no? Undoubtedly we landed Freeman (next year) because he was the alpha dog in his position on our roster. Does having a player of this revere as a possible recruit cause players we CAN land to get the jitters?
I don't have an answer and none of us do, but it's fun to play devils advocate and hear y'all POV.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on September 15, 2017, 01:22:11 PM
Begs the question...do we really think we have the chops to attract this highly recruited of a player in the next 12-months?
I can't remember the last recruit that Valpo offered knowing or thinking it couldn't possibly attain a commitment, at least in my time of being a fan. I'm assuming the coaches think they have a shot and maybe they've built a relationship with the player.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on September 15, 2017, 01:22:11 PM
This approach can blow up in our face, no? Undoubtedly we landed Freeman (next year) because he was the alpha dog in his position on our roster. Does having a player of this revere as a possible recruit cause players we CAN land to get the jitters?
I'm not sure how it would blow up in our face as long as the coaches are being completely candid & honest with recruits about their potential roles and what they are looking for. Javon probably won't be playing forward in college unless the coaching staff wants to play small ball with certain lineups. It sounds like Quincy Guerrier is more of a wing forward.
Maybe its a "moon shot" offer but VU doesn't usually waste their time with recruits they think they don't have a shot with.
This offseason the MVC has really been stepping up its recruiting around the league. There are some high level prep players committing to the Conference. It's pretty impressive. The MVC may be down next year but the arrow is pointing up with the conference even though it lost its "premier" program this offseason. The Conference is up for grabs the next few years. Valpo has a pretty good amount of talent on this roster but we're going to need to keep accumulating higher ceiling talent in the MVC.
Sounds like Valpo will be taking a look at 2019 PG Mario McKinney Jr.
A very talented recruit and some P5 Teams also recruiting him. Mizzou offered & recruited him while Coach Dildy was on their staff. He may have built a player-coach relationship with him already.
https://twitter.com/TheSchiffMan/status/909808326598385665
Status: Undecided
Year: 2019 (HS JR)
Position: PG
Height: 6-1
Weight: 165
Hometown: Louis, MO
High School: Vashon High School
Current Offers: Kansas State, DePaul, Auburn, Southern Miss, Tulsa, Missouri, SLU, Duquesne, Xavier, Marquette, Iowa
Current Ranking:
Rivals: 4 star (#73 player nationally)
Scout: 4 star (#79 player nationally)
247: 4 star (#96 player nationally/#3 in Missouri)
espn: 4 star (#28 at position/#28 regionally/#5 in Missouri)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnXnup5LLeU
An evaluation from a Missouri blog:
"Mario is a smooth left-handed guard for Vashon who has primary played off the ball despite being of optimal size for a point guard. He can still improve quite a bit with his handle, and if he can prove he's a reliable point guard, you could seem him start to run up the rankings a bit.
There are some similarities with his cousin in that they're both good but not great athletes. But Mario projects to be a very good four-year player, just like his cousin.
If the Tigers want to lock McKinney up, they could probably do so in short order, though they'd better decide quickly — McKinney's stock is going up with a recent offer from Xavier, plus interest from Illinois, Kansas State and others."
https://www.rockmnation.com/2017/6/19/15814904/missouri-basketball-recruiting-2019-robinson-earl-mario-mckinney
The coaching staff has really been hitting the scouting/recruiting trail hard the last few weeks.
Coach Gore was in Parkway South High School's open gym (Manchester, MO) yesterday. Valpo Basketball Alum Brian Sommer's son attends Parkway South.
https://twitter.com/BrianSommer5/status/910690001666625536
Coaches will also be scouting Mario McKinney Jr. in MO.
https://twitter.com/ARHoopScoop/status/910310039457591296
Part of the staff was at Bolingbrook (IL) High school yesterday. Valpo offered Nana Akenten last year & he chose to play at Nebraska. Bolingbrook's next big prospect is Marquise Ratcliff.
https://twitter.com/brookhoops/status/910687698511417345
https://twitter.com/g3risingstars/status/910640410544009216
My first reaction: Meat Market.
I guess that is what we have bought into.
Meat Market? ??? Please elaborate.
My answer: it's parading the kids on the court for all the attending representatives to glare at, oo and ah at, and scramble over. It's a meat market where the prime cut of meat goes to the highest bidder. I find it demeaning on the part of all parties. But, I guess, that is the nature of big time college basketball.
I can see a pro day at a university for college kids going pro, but now it's happening at the HS level. Next, middle school kids will have open gyms to attract HS coaches (assuming the current administration's pursuit of school choice). Is it any wonder young athletes feel entitled and some even think they are above rules?
Time magazine did a front page story of the business of youth sports. It has become a multi-million dollar industry. When does this end?
I see what your saying. It is a bit strange. I've actually been to one of these things back when I was in high school. My buddy was playing in one of the open gyms and I was just watching. A bunch of college coaches showed up to watch a bunch of kids play.
To be honest I don't have too much of a problem with the open gyms. It allows kids to play in front of college coaches and get feed back from them and its a way to get noticed. What I do have a problem with is the "showcases". In theory the showcase isn't bad either but at many of these showcases kids have to PAY a pretty decent amount of $ ($25-$50-$75) just to play in front of college coaches. Its crazy that some kids that have no shot are paying these fees to compete in these showcases and the money gets pocketed many of these AAU coaches. Some of the showcase aren't bad but others are less well done.
It is pretty sad how much $ is in AAU ball. The shoe companies pretty much fund these AAU leagues/teams and at the top levels actually play a role in some of the decisions of where some kids go to school. The Shoe company pay the AAU coaches and the AAU coaches steer kids to certain schools. There are just a lot of shady things about AAU ball and you definitely need coaches who know how to navigate the politics in areas like Chicago.
I think another piece is the social media aspect that makes all of this more out there to the general public. Coaches are now tweeting about these events and anyone can see it. You see them pumping up specific players or wooing teams and it's basically just us now getting to fully see what it has always looked like for the people involved. Most of this stuff happened between these teams and coaches but now these showcases/open gyms get promoted and bragged about publicly.
Quote from: crusader05 on September 22, 2017, 08:46:04 AM
I think another piece is the social media aspect that makes all of this more out there to the general public. Coaches are now tweeting about these events and anyone can see it. You see them pumping up specific players or wooing teams and it's basically just us now getting to fully see what it has always looked like for the people involved. Most of this stuff happened between these teams and coaches but now these showcases/open gyms get promoted and bragged about publicly.
Agreed. But in reality there isn't much to brag about in these open gyms/showcases lol. I get why they can be useful to see players skill sets & athleticism but the games themselves are absolutely terrible. Its generally a bunch of kids trying to show off but the on-court chemistry and ball movement is horrendous. They don't run offenses or play structured defenses schemes. It's a whole lot of isolation & jacking up 3s. It's almost a perversion of the game, imo.
It use to be that a college coach would ask a high school coach to come to a practice and see a player. HS coaches would then have the team scrimmage for this ONE coach, not 10 coaches sitting in chairs on the sideline. This just really increases the chances for impropriety when dealing with AAU coaches, players and parents.
Valpo 2019 SG recruit Alex Hemenway just received an offer from Clemson. He's one of the best shooters in his class and the best in the State of Indiana.
https://twitter.com/HemenwayAlex/status/911704795735617536
https://twitter.com/InTheGymHoops/status/912319804429750273
https://twitter.com/okonscoutnews/status/913588424082362369
Jerry Hernandez took an unofficial visit to Valpo last year if I remember correctly. He just received his first few D1 offers the last few weeks and one of them was from SIU yesterday.
https://www.hudl.com/video/3/7396336/58d3d41142102e192c255c6c
http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/jeremiah-hernandez
Status: Undecided
Year: 2019 (HS JR)
Position: SF
Height: 6-4
Weight: 170
Hometown: Arlington Heights, IL
High School: St. Viator High School
Current Offers: SIU, Cal Poly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwkBnvZ-zF4&t=1s
Alex Hemenway lands Nebraska offer. The recruiting battle for him gets tougher.
Blessed and very thankful to receive an offer from Nebraska University !! [emoji836]️[emoji837] https://t.co/tX64zQx4jw
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Quote from: vufan75 on October 15, 2017, 01:56:22 PM
Alex Hemenway lands Nebraska offer. The recruiting battle for him gets tougher.
Blessed and very thankful to receive an offer from Nebraska University !! [emoji836]️[emoji837] https://t.co/tX64zQx4jw
https://twitter.com/HemenwayAlex/status/919374867190943744
He has offers from: ACC, Big East, Big 10, MVC, HL, OVC schools now. Indiana is also involved in his recruitment.
I hope the coaches have built a strong player-coach relationship with him because there is stiff competition to land his commitment. His Junior year HS season hasn't even started yet. If I were the Coaching Staff I would send one coach to every single one of his high school games if it doesn't conflict with games/practice. Valpo is really going to need to prioritize him if we have a chance to land him.
He's a program changing player.
Side Note: Nebraska just picked a new Athletics Director so this current Basketball Coaching Staff might not be there after this next season... Nebraska's Head Coach was already on the hot seat and now it may get even hotter. They are arguably the worst team in the Big 10 and thats saying something because Rutgers isn't very good...
http://www.whio.com/sports/nebraska-picks-washington-state-head-athletics-program/9WNlKkDatjxqbC3Jor4xcN/
If Nebraska sees a coaching change maybe former Valpo recruit Nana Akenten may decide to transfer. Nana is a freshman SF with a really high ceiling. I'm going to be watching Nebraska this season.
Quote from: VU2014 on October 15, 2017, 02:12:03 PMQuote from: vufan75 on October 15, 2017, 01:56:22 PM
Alex Hemenway lands Nebraska offer. The recruiting battle for him gets tougher.
Blessed and very thankful to receive an offer from Nebraska University !! ️ https://t.co/tX64zQx4jw
I wonder when that school tells their student athletes that the name of the school is University of Nebraska and not Nebraska University. Or is that like the school in Tulsa? Despite being the University of Tulsa most people in Tulsa refer to it as TU. Those Big Ten teams, University of Indiana and Illinois University, need to learn how to be flexible like Nebraska. Speaking of inflexible in the Big Ten,
THE Ohio State University? Why not University of
THE State of Ohio?
Valparaiso High School basketball star Brandon Newman visited Butler. A few of their fans have scoffed at the idea and already deemed him a MAC or Horizon League level player.
I wonder how much interest the staff has in Brandon. He seems like a nice player. It would be cool to see Valpo land another VHS player.
https://twitter.com/davidwoods007/status/919972976879169537
Quote from: VU2014 on October 17, 2017, 08:39:02 AM
Valparaiso High School basketball star Brandon Newman visited Butler. A few of their fans have scoffed at the idea and already deemed him a MAC or Horizon League level player.
I wonder how much interest the staff has in Brandon. He seems like a nice player. It would be cool to see Valpo land another VHS player.
https://twitter.com/davidwoods007/status/919972976879169537
According to the twitter profiles on that reply, only one of the scoffers is a Butler fan, and one is a Butler student but cheers for UNC. Fans on the Butler Board were actually complimentary of Brandon and think he could have some upside in the future. Actually no scoffers on the board at all, which is saying something even though there was a limited response to it. https://butlerhoops.com/forum/index.php?threads/recruiting-notes-3-0-the-lavall-era.1770/page-11
Still very early in his recruitment, who knows what'll happen, but he'll get plenty of looks since he plays for Spiece Indy Heat.
Alex Hemenway just received another offer. This time from Xavier. I'm really setting my expectations lower on the potential of landing a commitment from Hemenway.
https://twitter.com/HemenwayAlex/status/921511573952323585
Hemenway just received an offer from Butler.
I wonder if Valpo will offer VHS product Brandon Newman. It would be great to have another Valparaiso High School kid on the team.
I've heard Brandon is pretty good player. I heard the Butler coaches were at VHS's open gym recently taking a look at Brandon. I also know the Valpo coaches are very familiar with Brandon.
https://twitter.com/nwi/status/929721702111727616
Newman's star rapidly rising for Valparaiso basketball team
By: Jim Peters jim.peters@nwi.com
Nov 11, 2017
The rapid ascent of Brandon Newman from a solid varsity player to a Division I recruit turned the heads of Region hoops followers this summer.
Barak Coolman, his coach at Valparaiso, wasn't surprised.
"We knew he had a tremendous amount of talent, how special he could be," Coolman said.
While Newman started for the Vikings as a sophomore, he was surrounded by a strong senior class and the young lion patiently waited his turn, knowing his time at the head of the herd was coming.
.......... (give it a click and read) http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/boys-basketball/newman-s-star-rapidly-rising-for-valparaiso-basketball-team/article_94c155fd-d1f7-5450-8c0e-b46485c555c2.html?utm_content=buffer7d6bd&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=LEEDCC
Year :2019 (HS JR)
Position: SG
Height: 6-3
Weight: 175
Hometown: Valparaiso, IN
High School: Valparaiso High School
Current Offers: North Dakota, IPFW, Toledo
Current Ranking: NA/2-star
Has anyone seen him play? Would like to hear what you think of his game?
https://www.hudl.com/video/3/6329578/59b7c199f569cf0a14fef38a
https://www.hudl.com/video/3/6329578/591242fd578d7d2c1086725a
Maybe IF he went there... THEY would agree to play us in about 4 years...at our place.
Quote from: talksalot on November 12, 2017, 03:52:37 PM
Maybe IF he went there... THEY would agree to play us in about 4 years...at our place.
Yep. That's what I was sort of hoping for the situation with Sasha Stefanovic at Purdue. Matt Painter scheduled the 2-for-1 with Valpo to give Robbie Hummel a homecoming game back in 2010-2011. But that was a whole different era of college basketball scheduling. We're now in the era of 'buy games'. Things have gotten out of control with the lack of home-&-homes from Power Conference teams. I think its absolutely killing the sports popularity between November and December. The P5/P6 hardly ever play true road games anymore.
As Brandon I have no clue how serious Butler is about recruiting him but I heard that LaVall Jordan was at the open gym taking a look.
Anyone know if Brandon is the rising star that NWI Times says he is? He sounds like he has the athleticism to be a good D1 guard.
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/boys-basketball/newman-s-star-rapidly-rising-for-valparaiso-basketball-team/article_94c155fd-d1f7-5450-8c0e-b46485c555c2.html?utm_content=buffer7d6bd&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=LEEDCC
"Given the opportunity to perform on the big stage, the 6-foot-4, 184-pound Newman didn't waste it.
His blossoming skills caught the attention of colleges. IPFW, Toledo and North Dakota all made offers. Butler, Valparaiso, IUPUI, Miami (Ohio) and Northern Kentucky are all interested."
https://twitter.com/prepballstars/status/932426545364455424
State of Indiana Recruiting Ranking:
1. Keion Brooks Jr.
2. Trayce Jackson-Davis
3. Alex Hemenway (Valpo Recruit)
6'4″ Shooting Guard, Castle
Offers: Valparaiso, IUPUI, Evansville, Creighton, Clemson, Nebraska, Butler
Scouting Report: Hemenway is a player with a really high basketball IQ and skill. His real forte is SHOOTING. But he is also a better overall athlete than given credit for. He will bang on you. And he is versatile enough to dribble it and get to the rim/finish with either hand. Definitely a player with good size to keep an eye on.
4. Isaiah Thompson (Zionsville. Same HS as Smits)
5. Cobie Barnes
6. John Michael Mulloy (Butler Commit)
7. Jared Hankins
8. Ethan Brittain-Watts
9. Jalen Windham
10. Dexter Shouse Jr.
12. Jalen Johnson
12. Manual Brown Jr.
13. Mason Gillis
14. Armaan Franklin
15. Aaron Etherington
16. Lucas Kroft
17. Brandon Newman (Valparaiso HS Star)
6'4″ Guard, Valparaiso
Offers: Toledo, IPFW, North Dakota
Interest: Butler, Valparaiso, IUPUI, Miami (Ohio) and Northern Kentucky
Scouting Report: Newman had a nice summer playing for Spiece Indy Heat and is an athletic, multidimensional player. He has great length and is very active on the floor, especially on the defensive end.
18. Cameron Alford
19. Noah Smith
20. Jakobie Robinson
21. Sam Devault
22. Wendell DeMyers
23. Kycia Washington
24. James Franklin Jr.
25. Landon Sprigler
Honorable Mentions:
-Sydney Curry
-Colin Kenney (Valpo has reportedly shown interest/Marquette Catholic)
6'0″ Point Guard, Marquette Catholic
Scouting Report: I have watched Kenny a few times in the spring. He really competes and can LIGHT IT UP from outside. He also has a high basketball IQ. He is crafty with his dribble with toughness and feel for the game. Definitely a sleeper in the class.
-Corey Landers
-Jesse Bingham II
-Amari Sherrod
-Hayden Smithey
-Noah Applegate (Penn)
-Luke Bumbalough
-Brandon Vernon
-Cory Richards
-Isaiah Moore
-Wesley Jordan
-Justin Hensley
-Craig Young
-Simon Banks
Rising Stars:
-Isaiah Davis // 5'9″ point guard, greenwood
-Jack townsend // 5'11" Point Guard, bloomington north
-Simon Banks // 6'2″ Shooting Guard, Brebeuf
-Logan carter // 6'9″ center, evansville mater dei
-matt dove // 6'8″ forward, princeton
-willie jackson // 6'0″ point guard, fishers
-caleb redman // 6'2″ Shooting Guard, pike
-Terry Hicks // 6'5″ Wing, Fishers
-Rishard Balkom // 6'6″ Forward, Merrillville (Mileek McMillan's former teammate)
Quote from: VU2014 on November 12, 2017, 02:02:04 PM
I wonder if Valpo will offer VHS product Brandon Newman. It would be great to have another Valparaiso High School kid on the team.
I've heard Brandon is pretty good player. I heard the Butler coaches were at VHS's open gym recently taking a look at Brandon. I also know the Valpo coaches are very familiar with Brandon.
https://twitter.com/nwi/status/929721702111727616
Newman's star rapidly rising for Valparaiso basketball team
By: Jim Peters jim.peters@nwi.com
Nov 11, 2017
The rapid ascent of Brandon Newman from a solid varsity player to a Division I recruit turned the heads of Region hoops followers this summer.
Barak Coolman, his coach at Valparaiso, wasn't surprised.
"We knew he had a tremendous amount of talent, how special he could be," Coolman said.
While Newman started for the Vikings as a sophomore, he was surrounded by a strong senior class and the young lion patiently waited his turn, knowing his time at the head of the herd was coming.
.......... (give it a click and read) http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/boys-basketball/newman-s-star-rapidly-rising-for-valparaiso-basketball-team/article_94c155fd-d1f7-5450-8c0e-b46485c555c2.html?utm_content=buffer7d6bd&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=LEEDCC
Year :2019 (HS JR)
Position: SG
Height: 6-3
Weight: 175
Hometown: Valparaiso, IN
High School: Valparaiso High School
Current Offers: North Dakota, IPFW, Toledo
Current Ranking: NA/2-star
Has anyone seen him play? Would like to hear what you think of his game?
https://www.hudl.com/video/3/6329578/59b7c199f569cf0a14fef38a
https://www.hudl.com/video/3/6329578/591242fd578d7d2c1086725a
One quote from the article made me question their coach. I know they had a great year last year going 21-4, but they had a super talented kid in Brandon that was told to back down and "defer to the seniors" because "the whole locker room could have been a headache". Makes you wonder what was going on there and what their season could have been like if Brandon would have been encouraged rather than seemingly held back.
Quote from: valpo4life on November 20, 2017, 12:02:40 PM
One quote from the article made me question their coach. I know they had a great year last year going 21-4, but they had a super talented kid in Brandon that was told to back down and "defer to the seniors" because "the whole locker room could have been a headache". Makes you wonder what was going on there and what their season could have been like if Brandon would have been encouraged rather than seemingly held back.
Yeah I didn't really understand that. The best players play. As long as Brandon wasn't disrespecting the Seniors and overstepping them in terms of a leadership role then I have no clue why he'd have to defer to them in the offense.
I could maybe see them wanting to feature Trace Ramsey more when College Coaches were in the stands but at the end of the day it's still about wins and losses and good sportsmanship.
Side Note: Former VHS player Trace Ramsey is with Don Bosco Prep now along with NWI prep star Nick Mantis. Ramsey recently received an offer from Loyola recently. Ramsey actually has quite a few offers now: Austin Peay, IUPUI, Loyola-Chicago, Toledo, Western Michigan, and a Non-D1 Christian Brothers. Trace Ramsey and Mantis are the type of guys you'd love to bring in as a Preferred Walk-On sort of the way we did with John Kiser but they're going to play on scholarship somewhere.
Quote from: VU2014 on November 20, 2017, 12:25:51 PM
Quote from: valpo4life on November 20, 2017, 12:02:40 PM
One quote from the article made me question their coach. I know they had a great year last year going 21-4, but they had a super talented kid in Brandon that was told to back down and "defer to the seniors" because "the whole locker room could have been a headache". Makes you wonder what was going on there and what their season could have been like if Brandon would have been encouraged rather than seemingly held back.
Yeah I didn't really understand that. The best players play. As long as Brandon wasn't disrespecting the Seniors and overstepping them in terms of a leadership role then I have no clue why he'd have to defer to them in the offense.
I could maybe see them wanting to feature Trace Ramsey more when College Coaches were in the stands but at the end of the day it's still about wins and losses and good sportsmanship.
Side Note: Former VHS player Trace Ramsey is with Don Bosco Prep now along with NWI prep star Nick Mantis. Ramsey recently received an offer from Loyola recently. Ramsey actually has quite a few offers now: Austin Peay, IUPUI, Loyola-Chicago, Toledo, Western Michigan, and a Non-D1 Christian Brothers. Trace Ramsey and Mantis are the type of guys you'd love to bring in as a Preferred Walk-On sort of the way we did with John Kiser but they're going to play on scholarship somewhere.
I'll pass on Ramsey. Not worth the headache.
Merrillville's Jonny Bernard went off last night. He's one of the best players/shooters in NWI.
Quote from: M on November 23, 2017, 09:23:24 AM
Merrillville's Jonny Bernard went off last night. He's one of the best players/shooters in NWI.
A nice article on Johnny from the other day.
https://twitter.com/PostTribSports/status/933197550672211969
Hutton: Merrillville's Johnny Bernard looking for another breakout seasonMike Hutton
Post-Tribune
Nov 17, 2017News flash: Johnny Bernard will not be coming off the bench for Merrillville this year.
This has been confirmed via Merrillville coach T.J. Lux.
"Yes, Johnny will be starting for us this year, " Lux said, chuckling only slightly.
It's possible that Bernard might be the only player in history to be selected for the Indiana Junior All-Stars after playing primarily as a sixth man. Hard to nail that one down.
Yes, it turned out to be a strange — but ultimately breakout — season for Bernard, a 6-foot-3 senior guard.
Bernard got the state's attention when he scored 32 points against Fort Wayne North in the Pirates' 82-73 semistate loss to the Legends.
His state tournament run was one for the books.
Bernard, playing as the Pirates' sixth man, averaged 17.5 points while shooting 57 percent from 3-point range and 68 percent overall in the five tournament games.
............. http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/post-tribune/sports/ct-ptb-mike-hutton-column-st-1118-20171117-story.html
Coach Patton, who I believe is maybe the freshmen coach at Merrillville and also trains these guys on the side, tweeted something about his performance out. Liked by Coach Ragland.
Is Bernard the "exceptional talent" that requires our last scholarship? We are deep in the Guard position this year, but graduate (2) and only bring in (1) for 2028/19.
The way I read this article is that he is a senior this year. If he made junior all-star last year....
So would this go into "2019 recruiting" thread?
You're right, should be in the 2018.
It sounds like VHS star Brandon Newman got off to a very strong start.
https://twitter.com/RobBehrend/status/934633684577275905
Was just surfing the Butler forum and saw this about Alex Hemenway:
https://scout.com/college/basketbal...s-recent-visits-and-numerous-offers-109882746
"Most recently Hemenway was offered by Butler, and he was impressed with what he saw on his unofficial visit to the school.
"I loved the visit it was great," said Hemenway of Butler. "We got a little tour of the campus and saw their first exhibition game. Also I got to meet with Coach (LaVall) Jordan and I like how he is all about business and be ready to come and take over Butler and make it his own program."
Also talked about how he liked his Xavier visit and was impressed by Coach Mack and Travis Steele, and enjoyed his visits to Purdue and Indiana, though those were more building relationships than about a formal offer and tours of the school. He's working on setting up visits to Ohio State and Creighton.
Irishdawg, Nov 6, 2017 #12"
I spoke to a local basketball coach on Sunday he told me that Hemingway was extremely excited about his Butler offer. He told me that before the butler offer he was a heavy Xavier lean
oldstyle1908, Nov 7, 2017
I'm not confident at all about us landing a commitment from Alex given some of the offer he's landed already but he'd be a hell of a fit for
Valpo he ever chose to play his college career here.
(why am i on a butler forum at 1? i have no clue myself )
Quote from: VU2014 on November 28, 2017, 01:02:44 AM
Was just surfing the Butler forum and saw this about Alex Hemenway:
https://scout.com/college/basketbal...s-recent-visits-and-numerous-offers-109882746
"Most recently Hemenway was offered by Butler, and he was impressed with what he saw on his unofficial visit to the school.
"I loved the visit it was great," said Hemenway of Butler. "We got a little tour of the campus and saw their first exhibition game. Also I got to meet with Coach (LaVall) Jordan and I like how he is all about business and be ready to come and take over Butler and make it his own program."
Also talked about how he liked his Xavier visit and was impressed by Coach Mack and Travis Steele, and enjoyed his visits to Purdue and Indiana, though those were more building relationships than about a formal offer and tours of the school. He's working on setting up visits to Ohio State and Creighton.
Irishdawg, Nov 6, 2017 #12"
I spoke to a local basketball coach on Sunday he told me that Hemingway was extremely excited about his Butler offer. He told me that before the butler offer he was a heavy Xavier lean
oldstyle1908, Nov 7, 2017
I'm not confident at all about us landing a commitment from Alex given some of the offer he's landed already but he'd be a hell of a fit for
Valpo he ever chose to play his college career here.
(why am i on a butler forum at 1? i have no clue myself )
There are offers, then there are offers. Take Creighton for example. According to Verbal Commits, they have offered 21 players from the class of 2019. That's 5-7 times what they need. That many offers can't be unconditional. Xavier has offered 15 players. Butler 7. Etc. Etc.
Quote from: wh on November 28, 2017, 08:41:13 AM
There are offers, then there are offers. Take Creighton for example. According to Verbal Commits, they have offered 21 players from the class of 2019. That's 5-7 times what they need. That many offers can't be unconditional. Xavier has offered 15 players. Butler 7. Etc. Etc.
That is true. Rumor is Alec Peters initially through his recruiment process really wanted to go to Butler and Butler "offered" but they landed a commitment from a kid they liked more & then Butler moved on from Alec. Then that kid that committed to Butler decommitted and Butler came running back to Alec saying they wanted him, but Alec said "thanks but no thanks". He commits to Valpo and the rest is history.
Quote from: VU2014 on November 28, 2017, 11:05:31 AM
That is true. Rumor is Alec Peters initially through his recruiment process really wanted to go to Butler and Butler "offered" but they landed a commitment from a kid they liked more & then Butler moved on from Alec. Then that kid that committed to Butler decommitted and Butler came running back to Alec saying they wanted him, but Alec said "thanks but no thanks". He commits to Valpo and the rest is history.
Not the story I heard, but if you heard it from Alec, then it may be true.
Quote from: wh on November 28, 2017, 08:41:13 AM
There are offers, then there are offers. Take Creighton for example. According to Verbal Commits, they have offered 21 players from the class of 2019. That's 5-7 times what they need. That many offers can't be unconditional. Xavier has offered 15 players. Butler 7. Etc. Etc.
Maybe I don't understand the recruiting process, but are you saying scholarship offers should be "unconditional"?
Quote from: zvillehaze on November 28, 2017, 12:18:55 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on November 28, 2017, 11:05:31 AM
That is true. Rumor is Alec Peters initially through his recruiment process really wanted to go to Butler and Butler "offered" but they landed a commitment from a kid they liked more & then Butler moved on from Alec. Then that kid that committed to Butler decommitted and Butler came running back to Alec saying they wanted him, but Alec said "thanks but no thanks". He commits to Valpo and the rest is history.
Not the story I heard, but if you heard it from Alec, then it may be true.
Quote from: wh on November 28, 2017, 08:41:13 AM
There are offers, then there are offers. Take Creighton for example. According to Verbal Commits, they have offered 21 players from the class of 2019. That's 5-7 times what they need. That many offers can't be unconditional. Xavier has offered 15 players. Butler 7. Etc. Etc.
Maybe I don't understand the recruiting process, but are you saying scholarship offers should be "unconditional"?
That's just the story I heard. I know Alec wanted to play for them early on his recruitment process and they were showing interest but they liked other guys more then him. Butler tried to come back into his recruitment after things didn't work out with other guys but he had already moved on.
I could be wrong but that's what I've heard.
Paul had Alec on his podcast and talked about his recruitment to Valpo. Valpo didn't immediately offer him but we normally don't because our staff tries to build relationships with kids before offering.
Offers from Valpo are actual offers and not just interest like many schools do these days. It seems that recruiting philosophy has continued during the Lottich era which is nice to see.
Quote from: zvillehaze on November 28, 2017, 12:18:55 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on November 28, 2017, 11:05:31 AM
That is true. Rumor is Alec Peters initially through his recruiment process really wanted to go to Butler and Butler "offered" but they landed a commitment from a kid they liked more & then Butler moved on from Alec. Then that kid that committed to Butler decommitted and Butler came running back to Alec saying they wanted him, but Alec said "thanks but no thanks". He commits to Valpo and the rest is history.
Not the story I heard, but if you heard it from Alec, then it may be true.
Quote from: wh on November 28, 2017, 08:41:13 AM
There are offers, then there are offers. Take Creighton for example. According to Verbal Commits, they have offered 21 players from the class of 2019. That's 5-7 times what they need. That many offers can't be unconditional. Xavier has offered 15 players. Butler 7. Etc. Etc.
Maybe I don't understand the recruiting process, but are you saying scholarship offers should be "unconditional"?
Zville- Knowing you have 2 children who were scholarship athletes, I will defer to your knowledge on the subject. So contrast 2 recruiting scenarios and share your thoughts.
Valpo does very targeted recruiting. Their list of offers is always very small. When they find a player they really want like Javon Freeman-Liberty, they put on a full court press, build relationships, and make their presence and interest known at every turn. Finally, Javon visited campus, fell in love, and the rest is history. That's what I'm referring to as "unconditional." Contrast that with Xavier and it's 21 offers. What happens if all 21 say they'll accept Xavier's offer? Assuming they have 3 open slots, aren't they going to have to rescind the other 18? Or, more likely, haven't they segmented those 21 into groups with a preferred list at the top, with only players in the preferred group getting an immediate "welcome aboard" handshake when they verbally commit? Aren't all the rest told we'll have to get back with you, or there's another recruit we're waiting to hear from, or worse we changed our mind. That's "conditional" recruiting.
In fact, isn't that exactly what happened to Alec Peters? Butler offered him, he took his time, considered his options, then circled back and said I accept. Done deal? Hardly. If I recall correctly, he was told that they were waiting on a decision by Chrabascz. That turned Alec cold on Butler, as the story goes, so he continued to look, the offers continued to grow, and he ultimately signed with Valpo. I think we can rest assured that Valpo's response to his phone call saying "sign me up" was a little different than Butler's. Then again, Valpo doesn't issue tickets to 7 times more people than it has seats for. ;)
Thus, there are offers, and there are offers. What say you, my friend?
Quote from: wh on November 28, 2017, 01:31:18 PM
Quote from: zvillehaze on November 28, 2017, 12:18:55 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on November 28, 2017, 11:05:31 AM
That is true. Rumor is Alec Peters initially through his recruiment process really wanted to go to Butler and Butler "offered" but they landed a commitment from a kid they liked more & then Butler moved on from Alec. Then that kid that committed to Butler decommitted and Butler came running back to Alec saying they wanted him, but Alec said "thanks but no thanks". He commits to Valpo and the rest is history.
Not the story I heard, but if you heard it from Alec, then it may be true.
Quote from: wh on November 28, 2017, 08:41:13 AM
There are offers, then there are offers. Take Creighton for example. According to Verbal Commits, they have offered 21 players from the class of 2019. That's 5-7 times what they need. That many offers can't be unconditional. Xavier has offered 15 players. Butler 7. Etc. Etc.
Maybe I don't understand the recruiting process, but are you saying scholarship offers should be "unconditional"?
Zville- Knowing you have 2 children who were scholarship athletes, I will defer to your knowledge on the subject. So contrast 2 recruiting scenarios and share your thoughts.
Valpo does very targeted recruiting. Their list of offers is always very small. When they find a player they really want like Javon Freeman-Liberty, they put on a full court press, build relationships, and make their presence and interest known at every turn. Finally, Javon visited campus, fell in love, and the rest is history. That's what I'm referring to as "unconditional." Contrast that with Xavier and it's 21 offers. What happens if all 21 say they'll accept Xavier's offer? Assuming they have 3 open slots, aren't they going to have to rescind the other 18? Or, more likely, haven't they segmented those 21 into groups with a preferred list at the top, with only players in the preferred group getting an immediate "welcome aboard" handshake when they verbally commit? Aren't all the rest told we'll have to get back with you, or there's another recruit we're waiting to hear from, or worse we changed our mind. That's "conditional" recruiting.
In fact, isn't that exactly what happened to Alec Peters? Butler offered him, he took his time, considered his options, then circled back and said I accept. Done deal? Hardly. If I recall correctly, he was told that they were waiting on a decision by Chrabascz. That turned Alec cold on Butler, as the story goes, so he continued to look, the offers continued to grow, and he ultimately signed with Valpo. I think we can rest assured that Valpo's response to his phone call saying "sign me up" was a little different than Butler's. Then again, Valpo doesn't issue tickets to 7 times more people than it has seats for. ;)
Thus, there are offers, and there are offers. What say you, my friend?
That's generally fair. What's key to know is what's been communicated to the player. To simplify, if a school has 1 spot open and need a power forward, they may identify 5 targets. From there, if they have a clear #1 choice, they can offer him and maintain "interest" in the others, letting them know a future offer is possible. If he declines or cools on the school, additional offer(s) may be extended. If done correctly, the coach would explain that others are being pursued and that the offer will go away if someone else takes it.
Conversely, if all 5 are somewhat equal, the school may offer all five with the understanding that the offer is available to the first player accepting. Once one accepts, the others know they no longer have an offer. So yes, offers are given and rescinded based upon fluid circumstances. This may seem harsh, but my contention is that recruits understand offers can have a limited shelf life.
The issue I see with "unconditional offers" is this ... imagine that Hemenway tells Valpo that he's not deciding until the spring of his Senior HS year? In the meantime, he's offered by and visiting Xavier, IU and Purdue. At what point is it ok for Valpo to offer that scholarship to another player? Do they have to wait until he signs with another school? Doesn't that mean they could miss out on several other players?
I can't speak for every program, but the "conditional recruiting" scenario you outlined doesn't exist at reputable schools. In general, if you "offer" a kid, you should be prepared to honor it if he says yes on the spot. Otherwise, don't offer. You can explain that others are being considered and the offer could go away if someone else accepts, but at the time of offer, it's available.
Just my :twocents:.
Quote from: wh on November 28, 2017, 01:31:18 PM
In fact, isn't that exactly what happened to Alec Peters? Butler offered him, he took his time, considered his options, then circled back and said I accept. Done deal? Hardly. If I recall correctly, he was told that they were waiting on a decision by Chrabascz. That turned Alec cold on Butler, as the story goes, so he continued to look, the offers continued to grow, and he ultimately signed with Valpo. I think we can rest assured that Valpo's response to his phone call saying "sign me up" was a little different than Butler's.
If it happened as you describe, I agree it wasn't handled properly. In any case, it worked out well for Alec and Valpo.
Quote from: wh on November 28, 2017, 01:31:18 PMThen again, Valpo doesn't issue tickets to 7 times more people than it has seats for. ;)
Cameron Witt and Daniel Relvao? ;)
Quote from: zvillehaze on November 28, 2017, 03:44:35 PM
Cameron Witt and Daniel Relvao? ;)
We overbook 1 flight, 1 time, and you remember not only that it happened, but the offended parties' names, as well. Amazing! ;)
Quote from: wh on November 28, 2017, 04:16:10 PM
Quote from: zvillehaze on November 28, 2017, 03:44:35 PM
Cameron Witt and Daniel Relvao? ;)
We overbook 1 flight, 1 time, and you remember not only that it happened, but the offended parties' names, as well. Amazing! ;)
:thumbsup: Maybe Relvao was flying standby when the flight filled up. ;D
Interesting to note that Relvao left George Mason to go back to Europe before this season started.
So, it would appear that wh and I already had this discussion 5 years ago. You have to admit I nailed the "he'd be a really nice player at Valpo" comment. :thumbsup:
Quote from: zvillehaze on August 24, 2012, 02:41:05 PM
Quote from: wh on August 24, 2012, 01:39:45 PM
Quote from: IndyValpo on August 23, 2012, 12:12:26 PM
Per the Indy Star...
Butler, Peters move on
Written by David Woods
It doesn't appear that Alec Peters, a 6-foot-8 wing from Washington, Ill., will become a Butler basketball player.
Peters' high school coach, Kevin Brown, said in an e-mail that Butler's offer "had some strings attached with it due to them needing 2013 scholarships for other positions." Translated, that means coach Brad Stevens is targeting guards now that two post players, Nolan Berry and Andrew Chrabascz, have committed to the Bulldogs.
Butler almost always has a surplus of guards, so it's possible the Peters situation could be revisited. For now, Butler is seemingly looking at the 2013 guards mentioned previously –5-foot-8 point Tahj Shamsid-Deen, Decatur, Ga.; 6-foot-1 Kyle Davis, Chicago, and 6-foot-2 Jaylon Tate, Chicago.
Peters played for the Peoria Irish summer team. He originally had mostly mid-major offers but is now attracting attention from high majors. A Chicago blogger labeled him "the best pure shooter" in Illinois' 2013 class. He comes from the same high school as former Indiana University 3-point specialist Matt Roth.
Peters visited Boston College last weekend and has visits scheduled to Valparaiso, St. Louis and Illinois State. His high school coach said Peters turned down offers from Air Force, Utah and Washington State and has picked up interest from Tennessee and Missouri.
Of Peters, coach Brown wrote:
"Coach stevens was very honest with us and we all have a tremendous amout of respect for him. He is an incredible coach and person. At this time as much as he likes coach stevens and butler he is looking at his other options with immediate scholarships. I do not want to go into exact details with scholarship."
This article tells "the rest of the story" but not the full story. When Peters was offered at the end of July there were 2 scholarships available. They were looking for one front court player and one back court. Had Peters accepted then (which he didn't), he would be a Bulldog right now. Instead, 4 days later another similar type player from RI accepted, which left Peters out in the cold. Happens all the time- first come, first serve.
I point this out because the article makes it sound like they made him some sort of conditional offer, which they did not.
Agree with wh ... kids know that offers may go away if other players accept first.
As for Peters, I've heard very good things about him and think he'd be a really nice player at Valpo. I thought he would've been a good fit at Butler, but they just ran out of scholarships. In one of his earlier interviews, he mentioned that he wanted to have a chance to play right away. With Valpo graduating Broekhoff, KVW and others, there should be an opportunity to sell him on the chance for immediate playing time. Good luck.
I had wondered what happened with Relvao at Mason. Sounds like we made the correct call in honoring another year for Vashil in more ways that just getting to the NIT title game!
VHS Star Brandon Newman was in the building for the Utah State game.
https://twitter.com/RobBehrend/status/935716926759882757
Bryce and Rodger are continuing to recruit the Canada. It looks like Coach Lottich's staff has continued to recruit Canada. They made a recruiting stop there this Fall and offered Quincy Guerrier (Montréal) and is reportedly showing interest in another one of his teammates.
https://twitter.com/Elias_NPH/status/938039250217553920
Brandon Newman is a stud. Don't let this kid leave town.
https://twitter.com/RobBehrend/status/944375413593296896
https://twitter.com/GlennMariniWANE/status/944396583109611520
Quote from: VU2014 on December 22, 2017, 11:34:32 PM
Brandon Newman is a stud. Don't let this kid leave town.
https://twitter.com/RobBehrend/status/944375413593296896
https://twitter.com/GlennMariniWANE/status/944396583109611520
I see Newman and VHS is playing at Grace College against Fishers (voted #1 community to live in the US) and Zionsville at 11:00 a.m. and 6:00 p.m. Eastern respectively on Saturday, 12/30/17. Grace isn't too far a drive for many Indiana VU fans.
Champions of Character Classic
http://indianahsbasketball.homestead.com/files/tny108.htm
I wonder how Grace manages to host a high school holiday tournament. Grace must be NAIA? Is it only prohibited by the NCAA?
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Grace+College/@41.2272708,-85.8569534,13z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x88169dbdc88f78ed:0x70934a5ab77f41c1!8m2!3d41.2272668!4d-85.8219345
https://www.webcams.travel/webcam/1278718112-Weather-Dave%27s-Winona-Lake-Webcam-Winona-Lake
http://gclancers.com/sports/2013/5/15/GEN_0515135713.aspx
Pretty cool arena for a small school. Like the alum suite.
Quote from: bbtds on December 27, 2017, 07:14:29 AM
I see Newman and VHS is playing at Grace College against Fishers (voted #1 community to live in the US) and Zionsville at 11:00 a.m. and 6:00 p.m. Eastern respectively on Saturday, 12/30/17. Grace isn't too far a drive for many Indiana VU fans.
Obscure facts: Zionsville coach Shaun Busick attended Grace College at the same time as former Valpo player, Scott Blum, now the Grace Women's coach. Busick was also the high school coach of Valpo's Seth Colclasure. :snore:
Quote from: zvillehaze on December 27, 2017, 09:50:11 AM
Quote from: bbtds on December 27, 2017, 07:14:29 AM
I see Newman and VHS is playing at Grace College against Fishers (voted #1 community to live in the US) and Zionsville at 11:00 a.m. and 6:00 p.m. Eastern respectively on Saturday, 12/30/17. Grace isn't too far a drive for many Indiana VU fans.
Obscure facts: Zionsville coach Shaun Busick attended Grace College at the same time as former Valpo player, Scott Blum, now the Grace Women's coach. Busick was also the high school coach of Valpo's Seth Colclasure. :snore:
I'm not sure we have a shot at Zionsville's Isaiah Thompson, but that is another kid who is going to be a stud. It will be interesting to see if the Valpo Basketball staff will even offer.
The only Indiana kid from the class of 2019 that we've offered has been Alex Hemenway and that is a moonshot offer.
Lottich was watching Brandon Newman absolutely destroy Portage tonight.
Quote from: M on January 05, 2018, 09:00:42 PM
Lottich was watching Brandon Newman absolutely destroy Portage tonight.
He looks like a heck of a player!
Quote from: VU2014 on January 05, 2018, 09:33:43 PM
Quote from: M on January 05, 2018, 09:00:42 PM
Lottich was watching Brandon Newman absolutely destroy Portage tonight.
Is he playing any decent competition in the Duneland Conference?
Also, how many SG can we offer????
He looks like a heck of a player!
I saw Brandon Newman for the first time tonight in a varsity game.
Sign him up.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on January 05, 2018, 09:42:58 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on January 05, 2018, 09:33:43 PM
Quote from: M on January 05, 2018, 09:00:42 PM
Lottich was watching Brandon Newman absolutely destroy Portage tonight.
Is he playing any decent competition in the Duneland Conference?
Also, how many SG can we offer????
He looks like a heck of a player!
There is always room for good players regardless of position. Plus there really won't be that many Guards on the team. Javon would be a sophomore by the time he was here and Micah would be a senior and as well as Golder who is more of a swing guy anyways. Kiser would be a senior as well.
Quote from: Pgmado on January 05, 2018, 09:47:04 PM
I saw Brandon Newman for the first time tonight in a varsity game.
Sign him up.
...and fill up the ARC with fans from the community.
Quote from: M on January 05, 2018, 09:00:42 PM
Lottich was watching Brandon Newman absolutely destroy Portage tonight.
Nebraska had an assistant coach at the game to watch Newman as well.
Quote from: valpopal on January 05, 2018, 10:10:12 PM
Quote from: M on January 05, 2018, 09:00:42 PM
Lottich was watching Brandon Newman absolutely destroy Portage tonight.
Nebraska had an assistant coach at the game to watch Newman as well.
(https://i.giphy.com/media/CVsJFn8s1YRwY/giphy.webp)
Whatever happened to Aris Williams (2004/05). His player bio says he was 6'9" and ranked the 3rd best F in the DC/MD/VA metro area...
OFFER!!
https://twitter.com/INBBallSource/status/949832543318282240
https://twitter.com/PaulT44/status/949811788341809152
https://twitter.com/Valpo_Hoops/status/949741868010627072
EDIT: Trevor Andershock who is a high school scout and Indiana recruiting insider seems to think the ship has sailed for Valpo on landing Valparaiso, IN native Brandon Newman. I sure hope not. I know last night wasn't the first night our coaches saw him or have been recruiting him. Valpo rarely offers guys before their Junior year and always builds a relationship before formally offering.
https://twitter.com/SectionEE/status/949833031933743105
https://twitter.com/INBBallSource/status/949833784215703553
https://twitter.com/INBBallSource/status/949834717997731840
https://twitter.com/INBBallSource/status/949835921582706689
I wouldn't pay much attention to anything Andershock says about Valpo's chances. His interests revolve around IU, the Big Ten, and everything Indy and central Indiana. If Newman is as good as Andershock thinks he is, the last thing he would want to see the kid do is stay home and play for Valpo. So, he throws it out there that Valpo waited too long, hoping that Newman and family pick up on it and it becomes a self-fufilling prophesy. I have complete faith in Matt and the rest of the coaching staff to do the right thing at the right time with the right recruits.
Bradley just offered Alex Hemenway.
Current Offers: Valpo, Bradley, Butler, Xavier, Nebraska, Clemson, Belmont, IUPUI, Evansville, Creighton and is getting interest from IU.
https://twitter.com/HemenwayAlex/status/949486640657059842
Any players you'd like to see get an offer from the Valparaiso Coaching staff or at least get interest?
The only 2 players that I've heard Valpo linked to so far is VHS star Brandon Newman and Colin Kenney (Marquette Catholic).
http://www.nwitimes.com/blogs/sports/inside-prep-sports/region-prep-basketball-stat-leaders-through/collection_2fa6605b-6deb-50f6-a6b2-9991c870825a.html?utm_content=buffer57ac3&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer#1
https://twitter.com/nwipreps/status/951812289711280128
Brandon Newman is on the top of quite a few statistical categories... (OFFER HIM)
https://twitter.com/dreadedupG/status/951925114362368000
https://twitter.com/dreadedupG/status/951925820301496321
2020 Da'Vion Davis of Calumet has D1 shooting, ball handling and passing. He just needs to grow a little bit (5'10").
Newman has a visit to IU scheduled. 👎😕
Brandon Newman took his unofficial visit to IU today...
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bd85nJ1AJXO/?taken-by=coachcoolman
https://twitter.com/CoachCoolman/status/952713125094191104
Valpo offered Brandon Newman today!
Quote from: M on January 15, 2018, 04:40:51 PM
Valpo offered Brandon Newman today!
Thank you I've been trying to post this for 20 minutes but it kept saying error.
It would awesome to see Brandon come to Valpo and play for his hometown team.
https://twitter.com/CoachCoolman/status/953028705080741894
So does Coach Coolman know how to spell Valparaiso? 😂 I would have thought autocorrect would've nailed that one for him.
We won't get Newman. I agree we were late on this one. Plus, how many of us really wanted to go to college in our backyard? If he goes somewhere and gets buried (ala Fazekas, Schmidt), maybe we see him in a year or two. But VHS has had a number of DI players in the last 25 years and we've gotten exactly zero of them (without a pit stop along the way) who didn't have a family member on the coaching staff.
With the offers he has today, my bet is he would pick Valpo. Unfortunately I think he is going to scoop up some high major offers before his high school career is over. However, I go to Valpo High and I can say that he is sensible enough to choose what is best for his career, not just the biggest school. If he gets an offer from a school like Indiana, but feels he is not going to get a lot of playing time down the road, I would say that he would choose us. I do think that he is going to grow a lot as a player between now and graduation though considering he's only a junior, and he might get an opportunity to have a big role at a big program in which case it would be a surprise if we could steal him. Nevertheless it's his hometown team and I usually see him at the games so you never know.
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on January 15, 2018, 08:11:05 PM
We won't get Newman. I agree we were late on this one. Plus, how many of us really wanted to go to college in our backyard? If he goes somewhere and gets buried (ala Fazekas, Schmidt), maybe we see him in a year or two. But VHS has had a number of DI players in the last 25 years and we've gotten exactly zero of them (without a pit stop along the way) who didn't have a family member on the coaching staff.
Since Bryce Drew what other VHS players have we offered other then Robbie Hummel? I can't think of any in the last 7-8 years.
Probably helps our chances that we aren't playing in the Summit League or Horizon League anymore. Being in a higher level Conference should help, but playing in the backyard is a reasonable argument. Some kids just don't want to stay close to home but others don't mind.
I think we offered Scott Martin, too, and also when he was looking for his rebound school after Purdue.
Recruit a 3 point specialist. One that hang just outside the arch and ready to shoot. 40% from 3. We need it. Will help space the floor and keep defenses honest
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 16, 2018, 06:33:00 AM
Recruit a 3 point specialist. One that hang just outside the arch and ready to shoot. 40% from 3. We need it. Will help space the floor and keep defenses honest
That would be Alex Hemenway but he may be "out of our league" with the amount of high major interest he's drawing. He's more then just a 3 point shooter though.
If you take a look at all of our 2019 offers they are drawing a significant amount of high major interest. I like that we are aiming high. One recruit I think we may eventually offer is Jeremiah Hernandez. He's a really smooth player out of Saint Viator High School in Arlington Heights, IL.
https://www.hudl.com/video/3/7396336/5a5c4316f55f880eb8560b8d
It seems as of late we recruit slashers, guards or centers. Anything but 3 point shooters. Yeo was last one?
Isn't Fazekas a 3 point specialist?
Quote from: ValpoFan on January 17, 2018, 10:22:29 AM
Isn't Fazekas a 3 point specialist?
Ryan is a very talented shooter and Joe was a great shooter too.
Both Golder and Evelyn are hitting .400 or above from 3 this season, but both have been inconsistent for long stretches. Bakari has been shooting the ball from 3 really well since the Indiana State game. Max Joseph has also emerged as a viable 3 point threat since Joe left the team. Micah is also suppose to be a good shooter but we all know about his struggles.
I'm sure it's something the coaching staff is looking for in recruits.
Quote from: VU2014 on January 17, 2018, 10:56:31 AM
Quote from: ValpoFan on January 17, 2018, 10:22:29 AM
Isn't Fazekas a 3 point specialist?
Ryan is a very talented shooter and Joe was a great shooter too.
Both Golder and Evelyn are hitting .400 or above from 3 this season, but both have been inconsistent for long stretches. Bakari has been shooting the ball from 3 really well since the Indiana State game. Max Joseph has also emerged as a viable 3 point threat since Joe left the team. Micah is also suppose to be a good shooter but we all know about his struggles.
I'm sure it's something the coaching staff is looking for in recruits.
Ex the one game where Bakari shot 1 for 10, he is shooting 45.5% from the 3, with only Tevonn taking more shots.
Another big night from Newman.
https://twitter.com/vhsboyshoops/status/954543198214508545
Quote from: VU2014 on January 19, 2018, 09:05:58 PM
Another big night from Newman.
https://twitter.com/vhsboyshoops/status/954543198214508545
Does anyone think we stand a chance?
Absolutely! We will always have a chance. Look at Freeman-Liberty as an example. Sometimes you never know what goes through a young man's head and the reasons for making a choice.
I think we have a chance but like valpo64 said you never know reasoning for any young man's choices. He'll definitely have many options to chose from. It would be awesome to have another Valparaiso native playing for us.
The Steve Hanlon article doesn't make it sound real promising.
A must read. I'm going to share a small portion but it's well worth the whole read. Brandon sounds like a great kid!
https://twitter.com/vhsboyshoops/status/954741632951255041
STEVE HANLON: Valpo's Newman is the Region's best, period
Jan 19, 2018
Steve Hanlon
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This week Valparaiso University offered the talented young player who hasn't even scratched the surface, his high school coach says. The other D-I suitors are Fort Wayne, IUPUI, Toledo and North Dakota State.
......
VU has wished for a long time to get more Region players to become Crusaders. That would help more fans from Lake County to start calling Valpo "their team."
Merrillville's Mileek McMillan is doing great things inside the ARC as a freshman this winter. Surely a few more would bring more smiles to the staff.
"I've been there so many times it's almost been too much," Newman said with a smile about the hours he's spent inside VU's gym through the years. "It meant a lot when they offered me. It felt good. I don't know where my recruiting will take me, but it's nice to know I can always play at home if the other things don't work out."
........... http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/boys-basketball/steve-hanlon-valpo-s-newman-is-the-region-s-best/article_092ea98b-fb85-5ab6-99cc-1ae6c1d614f3.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=user-share
Quote from: valpo64 on January 20, 2018, 12:19:12 PM
Absolutely! We will always have a chance. Look at Freeman-Liberty as an example. Sometimes you never know what goes through a young man's head and the reasons for making a choice.
Totally agree. Javon is a more highly regarded prospect and we got him!
You're comparing a junior to a senior. I'll be shocked if Newman's offers aren't better then Freemans offers before he commits.
"If the other things don't work out" Move on folks. Nothing to see here. This is Sasha Stefanovic part 2 except Newman is better and will be more highly regarded in his senior year. He wants a P5 offer and he will get it. And once he gets it he will take it. Just like Sasha. And I don't blame him. I hope he stays home too; but thinking realistically, Valpo has virtually no shot once Newman plays his way onto the P5's radar. And he will. Frankly I'm surprised he's not on any P5 schools' radar right now given that he's the best player in The Region and the best in one of the state's best and most competitive athletic conferences.
Was his IU visit an official? If so, he's on their radar.
I believe it was unofficial.
"...If other things don't work out."
Nice to hear we're his backup.
Agree with the others. He's not coming to VU. The "if other things don't work out" comment pretty much confirms that.
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on January 20, 2018, 04:00:35 PM
"...If other things don't work out."
Nice to hear we're his backup.
Yeah that part struck me too. It does sound to me like we may be a "fall back plan" as of right now. But to be honest I think a lot of kids we recruit have their eyes set on playing at major programs but those opportunities never materialize so they choose a Program like Valpo. It is very rare that you get kids who land many high-major offers and choose a mid-major.
Often times the mid-major can be the best choice because of the opportunity to get early playing time and development which they likely wouldn't get at a high major their first couple seasons of their playing career.
Brandon is going to land many more offers so it's up to the coaching staff to win him over and convince him Valpo is the best choice for him.
If I am Lottich, I pull the offer with that backup comment.
He's a 16-17 year old kid. He may have chose his words poorly or been misquoted (it was a Hanlon article). That said, I'm glad you're not Lottich! I'm definitely still out hunting for more prospects though.
Very hard to predict these things. The article also indicated that he is very close to his mother. Kind a hard to see your son play if he is at Duke!
Quote from: valpotx on January 20, 2018, 08:00:35 PM
If I am Lottich, I pull the offer with that backup comment.
Maybe we're reading too much into that last comment. Maybe it was just an off the cuff comment. I don't know.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on January 20, 2018, 03:48:33 PM
"If the other things don't work out" Move on folks. Nothing to see here. This is Sasha Stefanovic part 2 except Newman is better and will be more highly regarded in his senior year. He wants a P5 offer and he will get it. And once he gets it he will take it. Just like Sasha. And I don't blame him. I hope he stays home too; but thinking realistically, Valpo has virtually no shot once Newman plays his way onto the P5's radar. And he will. Frankly I'm surprised he's not on any P5 schools' radar right now given that he's the best player in The Region and the best in one of the state's best and most competitive athletic conferences.
Brandon is getting some P5 interest. He took an unofficial with Indiana (Archie is pretty much inviting every Indiana kid with talent to take an unofficial this season) and Butler's coaching staff has also been scouting him. A Nebraska assistant was also at the same game Coach Lottich was at last week.
Sasha is totally different type of player then Brandon. Sasha is much better shooter but Brandon is the athlete. The ceiling is probably higher for Brandon because he's a pretty good rebounder and has the chance to be a very good combo guard defender. Both are going to be good players.
I don't think we should give up on a kid because of one remark that we may be reading too much into. The Coaching Staff will probably get feel for his recruitment and know if we have a solid chance or not.
It sounds like Porter Moser and LaVall Jordan (Butler) were in to see Brandon Newman.
If we lose Brandon to someone I'd prefer he not land with a fellow MVC Team or Butler.
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/954913292635516928
That's a solid move sending your region guys to the game!
Throw back game for the Vikings playing at Boucher Gym (VU Home from 1927-1939) ... SB Washington takes it 52-46, Newman 15 points.
Brandon was at the game tonight. He also received an offer from Miami (OH) tonight.
https://twitter.com/CoachCoolman/status/955266964477370368
South Bend Washington's first year coach is a Valpo alum.
http://www.sbpanthersbasketball.com/ClubStaff.aspx?clubId=54938&seasonId=49251& (http://www.sbpanthersbasketball.com/ClubStaff.aspx?clubId=54938&seasonId=49251&)
Thought I'd note here that Joe Burton was also at the Valpo High game on Saturday night.
Quote from: Pgmado on January 22, 2018, 12:34:52 AM
Thought I'd note here that Joe Burton was also at the Valpo High game on Saturday night.
That is very interesting. Valpo is a long way from Houston. Why would he be in town? A girl friend?
As has been mentioned, Butler and Nebraska has stopped by and IU is calling. Newman was never the feature player until this year. A lot of recruiting cant done during the season due to time commitments and scheduling of everyone unless you're fairly local. Newman will "explode" this coming summer. Great kid.
Quote from: vu72 on January 22, 2018, 06:57:16 AM
Quote from: Pgmado on January 22, 2018, 12:34:52 AM
Thought I'd note here that Joe Burton was also at the Valpo High game on Saturday night.
That is very interesting. Valpo is a long way from Houston. Why would he be in town? A girl friend?
Very interesting. My guess is he was in town visiting a girlfriend and tagged along to hang out with the guys. Joe was a very well liked teammate and it's nice to see he's still supporting his guys and is close with the team even though things may not have worked out for him academically.
Any chance Joe Burton gets his grade straightened out a community college and comes back next year? Wishful thinking and probably unlikely but I'd like to see him back and most importantly earn his degree. If basketball never works out he can always fall back on his degree.
Quote from: vu72 on January 22, 2018, 06:57:16 AM
Quote from: Pgmado on January 22, 2018, 12:34:52 AM
Thought I'd note here that Joe Burton was also at the Valpo High game on Saturday night.
That is very interesting. Valpo is a long way from Houston. Why would he be in town? A girl friend?
That is the first encouraging sign from JB in a while. Maybe Joe is having second thoughts about his decision and may be investigating a way to get back on the team in future semesters. Maybe he is just visiting the only friends he has known for the last 2 years.
https://twitter.com/PostTribSports/status/956721029560307712
Hutton: Brandon Newman a rising star as double-double threat for Valparaiso
Mike Hutton
Post-Tribune
Lake Central coach Dave Milausnic said Valparaiso's Brandon Newman is good enough to be an Indiana All-Star.
Valparaiso coach Barak Coolman is trying to schedule a stop in Indianapolis for next season so he can get the 6-foot-4 junior guard statewide exposure.
The drumbeat of what's possible with Newman, who has established himself as the best guard to put on a Vikings uniform since Bryce Drew won Mr. Basketball in 1994, is slowly taking a life of its own.
Last week, Valparaiso University became the sixth school to offer Newman a scholarship. Others are Indiana-Fort Wayne, IUPUI, Miami of Ohio, Toledo and North Dakota.
For Newman, who's averaging 25 points, 10 rebounds and two steals, that appears to just be the start. Xavier and Butler are watching closely. Purdue and Indiana have made contact.
He looks like a player who could break out beyond the mid-major level.
Coolman coached twins brothers Bryson and Benton Scott at Fort Wayne Northrop. Bryson signed with Purdue and Benton was at Indiana State before both transferred to Indiana-Fort Wayne.
Coolman believes Newman is just as good as those two, though he is cautious about projecting
............ http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/post-tribune/sports/ct-ptb-mike-hutton-column-st-0126-20180125-story.html
Hmmm... The Scott brothers both took higher levels offers before ... GOING HOME. Are you trying to tell us something Mr. Hutton?
Quote from: VU2014 on January 25, 2018, 08:58:34 PM
Coolman coached twins brothers Bryson and Benton Scott at Fort Wayne Northrop. Bryson signed with Purdue and Benton was at Indiana State before both transferred to Indiana-Fort Wayne.
Pretty sure that "Benton" a/k/a Brenton, is still at ISU.
Several errors in the Hutton article, Jon Coffman wishes both the Scott twins were at Purdue University Fort Wayne, unfortunately he only has one. Indiana University Fort Wayne will not have any athletics.
Quote from: VU2014 on January 25, 2018, 08:58:34 PM
https://twitter.com/PostTribSports/status/956721029560307712
The drumbeat of what's possible with Newman, who has established himself as the best guard to put on a Vikings uniform since Bryce Drew won Mr. Basketball in 1994, is slowly taking a life of its own.
Better than Robbie Hummel?
Robbie was a forward, no?
Sounds like Brandon Newman is having a tough night against a strong Merrillville team.
https://twitter.com/JP8185/status/957074962623410176
https://twitter.com/JP8185/status/957077040334884864
https://twitter.com/JP8185/status/957078250823585793
EDIT: Sounds like it was a good game. Brandon Newman finished the night strong with a great 2nd half.
https://twitter.com/vhsboyshoops/status/957095031025922048
Game end in a very controversial OT last (late) second shot.
https://twitter.com/EvanWalls6/status/957093077595901952
Horrid call ends the game. Someone post the video. Might be the worst call of the year. Even the kid that shot it can't believe they counted it. Then the ref, with the huge fist punch to call it good 😂. Wow
So, if I'm following the storyline correctly, after being held scoreless in the 1st half Brandon Newman had 22 points in the 2nd half?
Quote from: M on January 26, 2018, 09:59:36 PM
Horrid call ends the game. Someone post the video. Might be the worst call of the year. Even the kid that shot it can't believe they counted it. Then the ref, with the huge fist punch to call it good 😂. Wow
Such a terrible call. Here is a video with another angle: https://www.facebook.com/nwitimes/videos/10156125002909413/?utm_content=buffer81cb9&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=LEEDCC
Quote from: wh on January 26, 2018, 10:12:34 PM
So, if I'm following the storyline correctly, after being held scoreless in the 1st half Brandon Newman had 22 points in the 2nd half?
It think he had 21 points in the 2nd half. I was just loosely following the game on twitter.
Brandon Newman is special.
https://twitter.com/dreadedupG/status/957625144968663041
https://twitter.com/CoachCoolman/status/957632122075873281
https://twitter.com/quincyguerrier/status/958904004049883136
If we get Quincy over those other schools listed I'll walk down Union Street in a Brown and Gold thong.
Cool - only non A10 mid major listed.
If you look at Quincy Guerrier's twitter profile he retweeted Daniel Sackey's commitment tweet.
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We're recruiting Brandon Newman pretty hard. It's apparent Brandon is THE priority for the 2019 recruiting class as of right now.
As Paul said there is some star power at the game tonight. It would be awesome to see Brandon play in a Crusader uniform one day.
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/959239255909335041
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/959232770764615680
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/959246501598978055
One benefit we have is that our players can be around for games in the area. Can maybe help local talent stay close to home if they like the guys.
Also, It helps to develop strong relationships with people close to these local teams. Gives them more people to vouch for Valpo to these kids.
Brandon Newman comes in at #165. While he may not get a ton of high major interest during his high school season, my guess is once summer rolls around his recruitment is going to pick up significantly.
https://twitter.com/EvanDaniels/status/956600545288097792
Quote from: VU2014 on February 01, 2018, 01:48:55 PM
If you look at Quincy Guerrier's twitter profile he retweeted Daniel Sackey's commitment tweet.
I wonder who sells Brown and Gold thongs for men.
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on January 31, 2018, 09:38:01 PMIf we get Quincy over those other schools listed I'll walk down Union Street in a Brown and Gold thong.
Quote from: bbtds on February 02, 2018, 12:29:49 PMI wonder who sells Brown and Gold thongs for men.
And if we do get Quincy all of us here on the board would be honored to walk down Union St with you in our Brown and Gold thongs (plural), which we will wear on our feet.
Quote from: justducky on February 02, 2018, 01:12:08 PM
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on January 31, 2018, 09:38:01 PMIf we get Quincy over those other schools listed I'll walk down Union Street in a Brown and Gold thong.
Quote from: bbtds on February 02, 2018, 12:29:49 PMI wonder who sells Brown and Gold thongs for men.
And if we do get Quincy all of us here on the board would be honored to walk down Union St with you in our Brown and Gold thongs (plural), which we will wear on our feet.
I had to laugh out loud when I read this. I reminded me of a time when we bet a fraternity brother $5 (which was a lot in 1970) that he wouldn't run from the Phi Psi house to the Dixie Diner (corner of Freeman St and Garfield) in just his jock. Laughed my a$$ off and he did it!
Quote from: vu72 on February 02, 2018, 01:27:16 PM
Quote from: justducky on February 02, 2018, 01:12:08 PM
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on January 31, 2018, 09:38:01 PMIf we get Quincy over those other schools listed I'll walk down Union Street in a Brown and Gold thong.
Quote from: bbtds on February 02, 2018, 12:29:49 PMI wonder who sells Brown and Gold thongs for men.
And if we do get Quincy all of us here on the board would be honored to walk down Union St with you in our Brown and Gold thongs (plural), which we will wear on our feet.
I had to laugh out loud when I read this. I reminded me of a time when we bet a fraternity brother $5 (which was a lot in 1970) that he wouldn't run from the Phi Psi house to the Dixie Diner (corner of Freeman St and Garfield) in just his jock. Laughed my a$$ off and he did it!
I'd lead the Conga Line like Goldmember.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTk81BnxNds
We'll get them specially made. With Lottich's smiling face on the front.
Quote from: justducky on February 02, 2018, 01:12:08 PM
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on January 31, 2018, 09:38:01 PMIf we get Quincy over those other schools listed I'll walk down Union Street in a Brown and Gold thong.
Quote from: bbtds on February 02, 2018, 12:29:49 PMI wonder who sells Brown and Gold thongs for men.
And if we do get Quincy all of us here on the board would be honored to walk down Union St with you in our Brown and Gold thongs (plural), which we will wear on our feet.
Of course. Cheesehead probably thought he could get away with wearing only one thong on one foot and a regular shoe on his other foot. That way only one of his feet freezes.
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Well signing day is in November, so it'll either be sunny and 65, or -10.
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on February 03, 2018, 02:32:30 PM
Well signing day is in November, so it'll either be sunny and 65, or -10.
So if it's 65 degrees you'll go triple thongs?? :lol:
Sounds like we don't have much to worry about.
https://twitter.com/HoopReview/status/960328121391001600
Brandon Newman was at the Purdue game tonight.
https://twitter.com/CoachCoolman/status/961415111578710016
Quote from: VU2014 on February 07, 2018, 07:47:24 PM
Brandon Newman was at the Purdue game tonight.
https://twitter.com/CoachCoolman/status/961415111578710016
Personally, I never expected he was even an option for us. So, oh well.
Good to hear!
https://twitter.com/dsackey_4/status/962846147478921216
https://twitter.com/EG10_Basketball/status/967213151484858368
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https://twitter.com/EG10_Basketball/status/967229458657808385
https://twitter.com/BSnow247/status/966757967705051137
Newman sees recruitment soar during junior season
Class of 2019 wing Brandon Newman has been on two visits this year and is beginning to really pick up interest on the recruiting trail.
Brian Snow - Feb 22, 1:20 PM
One of the more intriguing juniors in the state of Indiana is Brandon Newman. The Valparaiso product has had a big junior year, and he is seeing his recruitment begin to take off.
About his season, Newman said, "My mentality has been what's more important and I am continuing to be more assertive on the court. I've been able to build off of what I have produced so far, and I feel I am only scratching the surface of what I can become as a player."
With long arms, nice athletic ability, and a good looking shooting stroke, it is no surprise that high-major coaches are beginning to really pick things up with Newman on the recruiting trail.
"There have been some truly phenomenal universities that have shown interest in me," he said. "I am hearing from IPFW, Purdue, Butler, IUPUI, Loyola-Chicago, Valparaiso, Ball State, Xavier, Nebraska, and Illinois."
While Newman is still working to pick up high-major offers, he has made a pair of visits. Those visits have been to Purdue and Indiana.
"I have been on two visits this season, and it has been to Indiana and Purdue," said Newman. "I enjoyed both visits very much, and each school and coaching staff showed me great hospitality."
At this point Newman says he is in no hurry to select a school, but he does know what he will be looking for in a program.
"I am looking for an environment that I can continue to grow and become the best player and person that I can be," said Newman. "Also I want to be at a school where if basketball wasn't an option that I would still want to attend."
Look for Newman to be one of the most closely evaluated players this spring from the state as coaches get their first good look at him against top competition.
At this point I feel pretty safe in extending my thong bet to Newman as well.
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on February 23, 2018, 09:55:49 PM
At this point I feel pretty safe in extending my thong bet to Newman as well.
Yeah from the sound of it he wants to play at a high major school and we might just be a "back up" plan. Kind of sucks to hear. He'd be such a pivotal cornerstone student-athlete at Valparaiso. He not only would be a tremendous player but he sounds like a great young man and a HOMETOWN kid.
https://twitter.com/vhsboyshoops/status/969032393549058049
Quote from: VU2014 on February 23, 2018, 10:06:31 PMYeah from the sound of it he wants to play at a high major school and we might just be a "back up" plan.
To date, only Valpo, Fort Wayne, North Dakota and Toledo have offered. He may want to play at a high major, but he will need to get some offers first. Right now, the high majors are keeping him at arms length, with the potential of getting an offer after the silly (spring transfer) season is over.
Quote from: covufan on March 01, 2018, 11:56:55 AM
Quote from: VU2014 on February 23, 2018, 10:06:31 PMYeah from the sound of it he wants to play at a high major school and we might just be a "back up" plan.
To date, only Valpo, Fort Wayne, North Dakota and Toledo have offered. He may want to play at a high major, but he will need to get some offers first. Right now, the high majors are keeping him at arms length, with the potential of getting an offer after the silly (spring transfer) season is over.
The high major offers are coming. He may not be the High Majors #1 priority like he is at Valpo but he'll get the offers. Purdue, Indiana, and Butler all have been in to see him.
I talked to someone who expects him to be a fringe Top 100 prospect if he has a great AAU season this summer which isn't out of the realm of possibility for him.
I hope he stays home and plays for his Hometown Team but I'm not so sure that's going to happen.
Just noticed this. Brandon Newman is going to be playing his AAU ball with Meanstreets this summer. It's the same AAU team as Javon Freeman Liberty and Jubril Adekoya played on. It's one of the Top AAU teams in the Midwest.
https://twitter.com/nikemeanstreets/status/968280111316373504
Barring a disaster of an AAU season he will get a couple higher offers. Who knows, maybe his AAU coaches have a good relationship with Valpo and can get in his ear. Maybe some of the current players can help convince him this might be the place to be.
Doesn't it always come down to quality playing time? By this I mean: maybe a star or probably a role player at a P5 vs a star at a Mid Major.
The key is if a kid has a clear understanding of where he really fits (forget about the entourage). Here is where I have developed a lot of respect for Jevonn. My thought: that kid has his act together and he knows who he is (in many respects, not just BB). Valpo needs to find and recruit the APs and JFLs who are out there. That is not easy.
For me, PT would be the number one thing...but I can think of one recruit we lost out on last year who must've felt otherwise.
Quote from: M on March 01, 2018, 07:51:08 PM
For me, PT would be the number one thing...but I can think of one recruit we lost out on last year who must've felt otherwise.
A couple recruits. Sasha Stefanovic (Purdue) redshirted and Nana Akenten (Nebraska) only played in 7 games and average 3 minutes.
Bruniga ( sp?).
Quote from: VULB#62 on March 01, 2018, 08:35:41 PM
Bruniga ( sp?).
We never offered but there seemed to be mutual interest at one point during his recruitment.
I was thinking Sasha
Coach Lottich and Archie were at the Merrillville vs VHS game last night to see Brandon Newman.
https://twitter.com/SectionEE/status/969766498595233792
https://twitter.com/MikeHuttonPT/status/969992512956968960
https://twitter.com/vhsboyshoops/status/969775033517211648
https://twitter.com/couldbelikemike/status/969764174522929154
Big advantage for Miller and Lottich to wrap up their seasons on March 1st so they can focus on recruiting. Lots of teams are still playing regular season games today.
Illinois was in watching him too.
https://twitter.com/PostTribSports/status/976619631833214977
Valparaiso's Brandon Newman and Marquette's Colin Kenney named to Indiana Junior All-Stars
Mike Hutton
Post-Tribune
March 21, 2018
http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/post-tribune/sports/ct-ptb-boys-basketball-indiana-junior-all-stars-st-0322-20180321-story.html
https://t.co/Zji9NWE09K?ssr=true
Several Valpo targets and at least one kid who wants to be a Valpo target on the all state squads.
https://t.co/iwnLvMMTTF?ssr=true
Same with the all area team.
If Coach Ragland leaves for the Evansville coaching staff we won't even have a prayer of landing Alex Hemenway. Coach Rags is the lead recruiter on him.
https://twitter.com/BSnow247/status/981520280253337602
Newman continues to develop his skills
Class of 2019 wing Brandon Newman looks like someone who could be primed for a big spring and summer.
Brian Snow - 3 hours ago
https://247sports.com/college/basketball/recruiting/Article/Mario-McKinney-keeps-adding-offers-117003554
I think it's a long shot that he comes to Valparaiso...
Quote from: VU2014 on March 22, 2018, 07:58:59 PMIf Coach Ragland leaves for the Evansville coaching staff we won't even have a prayer of landing Alex Hemenway. Coach Rags is the lead recruiter on him.
To be fair we probably don't anyway. Doesn't he have multiple P5\BE offers?
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on April 04, 2018, 11:34:40 AM
Quote from: VU2014 on March 22, 2018, 07:58:59 PMIf Coach Ragland leaves for the Evansville coaching staff we won't even have a prayer of landing Alex Hemenway. Coach Rags is the lead recruiter on him.
To be fair we probably don't anyway. Doesn't he have multiple P5\BE offers?
Agreed. All of our 2019 recruiting offers appear to be long shots. Brandon Newman (has dropped hints about VU being a possible backup plan), Alex Hemenway (he has some big time offers already), and Quincy Guerrier (offers: K-State, Vandy, Creighton, Pitt, syracuse, Oregon, etc.).
I'm glad we're aiming high but I'm not sure any of our current 2019 offers are likely. It feels like we'd need either those players to have a lackluster AAU seasons, have strong relationships with our coaches and early playing time available.
You never know what is in a kid's mind...after all, we did get J Freeman.
Max and one of Valpo's graduating grad assistants were pictured at a local basketball clinic with Brandon Newman.
https://twitter.com/dreadedupG/status/982729576513196032
Quote from: VU2014 on April 07, 2018, 06:50:25 PM
Max and one of Valpo's graduating grad assistants were pictured at a local basketball clinic with Brandon Newman.
https://twitter.com/dreadedupG/status/982729576513196032
Where does Newman rank amongst INDIANA All-Stars (Juniors)? Glad to see a region guy get a chance at high majors, especially Valpo High. He'd have to be exceptionally grounded to not get lured by the P6 though.
I have to think that we have better shots at landing region guys in the MVC, though all I read has him going P5.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on April 07, 2018, 07:23:38 PM
Where does Newman rank amongst INDIANA All-Stars (Juniors)? Glad to see a region guy get a chance at high majors, especially Valpo High. He'd have to be exceptionally grounded to not get lured by the P6 though.
I have to think that we have better shots at landing region guys in the MVC, though all I read has him going P5.
I think his stock is going to shoot through the roof during AAU season this summer with Meanstreets. Apparently a lot of Power Conference programs are showing interest but are waiting till they see how he does in AAU this year at some the top tournaments before offering. Purdue is showing a decent amount of interest.
I'm hoping Brandon give Valparaiso serious consideration. It would be awesome to see another student VHS product commit to Valpo and play for his hometown one day.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on April 07, 2018, 07:23:38 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on April 07, 2018, 06:50:25 PM
Max and one of Valpo's graduating grad assistants were pictured at a local basketball clinic with Brandon Newman.
https://twitter.com/dreadedupG/status/982729576513196032
Where does Newman rank amongst INDIANA All-Stars (Juniors)? Glad to see a region guy get a chance at high majors, especially Valpo High. He'd have to be exceptionally grounded to not get lured by the P6 though.
I have to think that we have better shots at landing region guys in the MVC, though all I read has him going P5.
Is that Tevonn in the first row far right? Maybe so?
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Quote from: vufan75 on April 08, 2018, 07:32:52 PM
Is that Tevonn in the first row far right? Maybe so?
I don't think so.
Brandon Newman just got an offer from Loyola. If we lost Brandon (a hometown kid) to a Conference rival, it would be a morale crusher for the fan-base.
Pretty sure he got offered by DePaul the other day too.
Got that right, 2014.
Let's look at the possibilities.
Even Up: Academics/private/beautiful central campuses/ same conference.
Different Advantages:
VU - built in fan club that could pull the community into the ARC for 4 years. The town of Valparaiso. Ah, and then...
Loyola - FF. Tons of alumni deep pockets. Probably a more attractive OCC schedule going forward. Millions in facilities improvements. The city of Chicago.
What other positives can we compare?
Only be demoralizing if he goes to Loyola if we don't recruit and land someone just as good. I only saw him play in person once (sectional semi, the game Archie Miller was there) and wasn't at all impressed. He's also already pretty much said Valpo is a backup plan. You can't be upset if you don't have high expectations, haha...sigh.
In the HL, we could offset the commuter schools with our great campus and academic environment. Some may have had good arenas, but the mix was not that attractive. So we could lure the kids we wanted.
Not so in the MVC. Here we have major destination campuses and well thought of private institutions in good environments with pretty solid fan bases. We had a great winning tradition in the past at a level that is a few steps below where we are now. But that was then. What do we have that helps us compensate for the recruiting deficits we face against our new MVC rivals? By deficits I mean a smaller, less than wealthy alumni base that is not rabidly sports-minded and the worst athletic facilties across the board in the MVC.
Another way to ask this question is: have we reached the Peter Principle (advanced to the level of our incompetence)? Are we finally at a point where we are out of our league and no matter what we do (given the current administration position) we cannot overcome our liabilities?
Picked up an offer from Xavier tonight.
Quote from: M on April 24, 2018, 10:31:11 PM
Picked up an offer from Xavier tonight.
Historically a Xavier "offer" isn't an offer in the truest sense, where if he decides that he wants to commit to them that he's able to. They offer a ton of prospects and normally don't start accepting players until they know those that are the highest rated (normally in the top 50-75) are off their board.
My guess is Newman's recruitment is going to take off during the summer unless he plays poorly on the AAU circuit. He's rated pretty highly on 247 (just outside the top 150), so unless he's ready to commit immediately (which it doesn't seem that way), a lot of major programs are going to start sniffing around.
QuoteAre we finally at a point where we are out of our league and no matter what we do (given the current administration position) we cannot overcome our liabilities?
It's a good question and a fair question, at least in regards to administration commitment. Do we act and devote resources/facilities to our program like we're in a conference that just went to the Final Four for the second time in six years, or do we sit and wait around and hope that it magically just "happens," and expect a 20-year-old Sweet 16 run to continue to carry the freight?
Quote from: VULB#62 on April 23, 2018, 10:03:19 PMAnother way to ask this question is: have we reached the Peter Principle (advanced to the level of our incompetence)? Are we finally at a point where we are out of our league and no matter what we do (given the current administration position) we cannot overcome our liabilities?
No, according to the general vibe I get from this board we won't reach full-on Peter Principle until we're a member of the Big 10, ACC, or Big East.
Lottich is In indy today. Buddy sent me a photo of him watching local team Indiana Game.
Quote from: M on April 28, 2018, 11:37:26 AM
Lottich is In indy today. Buddy sent me a photo of him watching local team Indiana Game.
Would Matt like some lunch? :-)
If we land some of the rumored backcourt transfers, it makes me wonder if it will hurt our chances with Brandon.
https://twitter.com/endless_motor/status/994307365267755008
2019 SHARPSHOOTER BRANDON NEWMAN BECOMING MIDWEST PRIORITY AFTER PUTTING TOGETHER STRONG SPRING
May 6, 2018 | FEATURE, NEWS
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Brandon's stock is clearly rising on the recruiting trail, as he's picked up offers from Rhode Island, Wisconsin-Milwaukee, Xavier, DePaul and Loyola-Chicago in the last 2 weeks with existing offers from Miami of Ohio, Fort Wayne, Toledo, North Dakota, IUPUI, Valparaiso, Ball State.
"Purdue, Butler, Illinois State, Princeton, Vanderbilt, SMU, Nebraska, Indiana, Creighton, Illinois, Kansas State and Minnesota are also showing interest."
Newman does not hold any leaders at this point, but he is hearing from 7 schools with consistency.
"Xavier, Kansas State, Nebraska, Loyola, Valpo, Purdue, and DePaul are the schools I'm hearing from the most right now."
The shotmaking guard has a few schools in mind when it comes to the upcoming visit schedule.
"I don't have any visits set in stone yet, but I plan to take a couple over the course of the next month or so to Xavier, Loyola, Purdue and IU."
While Brandon does not currently have a timeline for releasing a top group or making a commitment, his decision will account for more than just basketball.
"Factors that are important for my family and I are a great coaching staff, a great environment and a school that I would want to go to if basketball wasn't an option."
....
http://endlessmotor.net/2018/05/06/2019-sharpshooter-brandon-newman-becoming-midwest-priority-after-putting-together-strong-spring/
Quote from: VU2014 on May 10, 2018, 10:01:04 AM"Factors that are important for my family and I are a great coaching staff, a great environment and a school that I would want to go to if basketball wasn't an option."
I guess hoping he'd say within a 5 mile radius of his house would be asking too much? ::)
Quote from: VU2014 on May 10, 2018, 10:01:04 AM
If we land some of the rumored backcourt transfers, it makes me wonder if it will hurt our chances with Brandon.
https://twitter.com/endless_motor/status/994307365267755008
2019 SHARPSHOOTER BRANDON NEWMAN BECOMING MIDWEST PRIORITY AFTER PUTTING TOGETHER STRONG SPRING
May 6, 2018 | FEATURE, NEWS
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Brandon's stock is clearly rising on the recruiting trail, as he's picked up offers from Rhode Island, Wisconsin-Milwaukee, Xavier, DePaul and Loyola-Chicago in the last 2 weeks with existing offers from Miami of Ohio, Fort Wayne, Toledo, North Dakota, IUPUI, Valparaiso, Ball State.
"Purdue, Butler, Illinois State, Princeton, Vanderbilt, SMU, Nebraska, Indiana, Creighton, Illinois, Kansas State and Minnesota are also showing interest."
Newman does not hold any leaders at this point, but he is hearing from 7 schools with consistency.
"Xavier, Kansas State, Nebraska, Loyola, Valpo, Purdue, and DePaul are the schools I'm hearing from the most right now."
The shotmaking guard has a few schools in mind when it comes to the upcoming visit schedule.
"I don't have any visits set in stone yet, but I plan to take a couple over the course of the next month or so to Xavier, Loyola, Purdue and IU."
While Brandon does not currently have a timeline for releasing a top group or making a commitment, his decision will account for more than just basketball.
"Factors that are important for my family and I are a great coaching staff, a great environment and a school that I would want to go to if basketball wasn't an option."
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http://endlessmotor.net/2018/05/06/2019-sharpshooter-brandon-newman-becoming-midwest-priority-after-putting-together-strong-spring/
I don't think we have much to worry about there but you have to wonder what being in on Gordon and Stull says about our commitment/belief in the guys we have/our present class. I have to wonder whether we've seen our last transfer. I think there's a real chance Bradford could transfer also what would any pursuit of Gordon mean for Sackey and Evelyn? If we add Stull can we still keep Freeman-Liberty happy? If we add Braun does that impact Golder and Fazekas? It's going to be really interesting and potentially difficult to juggle the minutes properly and keep everybody happy.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on May 11, 2018, 11:34:09 AM
I don't think we have much to worry about there but you have to wonder what being in on Gordon and Stull says about our commitment/belief in the guys we have/our present class. I have to wonder whether we've seen our last transfer. I think there's a real chance Bradford could transfer also what would any pursuit of Gordon mean for Sackey and Evelyn? If we add Stull can we still keep Freeman-Liberty happy? If we add Braun does that impact Golder and Fazekas? It's going to be really interesting and potentially difficult to juggle the minutes properly and keep everybody happy.
Bradford isn't going anywhere this offseason and they seem to be heaping praise on his play in offseason practices/scrimmages. I'm not really buying into the offseason hype yet. I need to see it against live competition. I hope Micah takes that next step in his development. He did look a little better later in the season when he played mainly as a distributor. Micah is a coaches son and he's definitely not a quitter which is what I've always appreciate about him.
I think one thing is obvious about the coaching staffs recruiting. They are going after versatility. Everyone on this roster other then the twin towers are pretty versatile. Even Smits might be a bit more offensively versatile then I think if he's able to develop that mid-range jump shot that we haven't seen too much of yet but I've seen it in shoot arounds. I think the staff wants to "blur" the traditional "positions". They wants PGs that can score and shoot. They want 2Gs that handle the ball a little bit and handle switches. They want 3s like Golder who are adaptable. Mileek has stretch 4 capabilities.
"Fit" and "culture" mean everything. You can't really worry too much about will this guy or that guy not be happy. One thing is pretty clear with Coach Lottich. If you don't play solid team defense, you won't be getting much court time. He really is a defense first type of coach.
I'll always take the problem of too much talent. A good coach will find the right mix/minutes for them. Competition hardens hard work and skills. You want to play -- earn the minutes. "...Nothing is Given, Everything is Earned. You work for what you have." LeBron James Micah may be improved, but we have seen that you can't be deep enough or talented enough when injuries and transfers and other stuff come around.
Illinois State offered Brandon Newman.
Quote from: VU2014 on May 15, 2018, 03:50:36 PM
Illinois State offered Brandon Newman.
Add Florida State to the list.
Quote from: valpo4life on May 16, 2018, 10:58:14 AM
Quote from: VU2014 on May 15, 2018, 03:50:36 PM
Illinois State offered Brandon Newman.
Add Florida State to the list.
Valpo > Florida State ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olH4-LQ3I78
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IY5dUISXeY
That was nice to watch. Thank you!
Great fun to watch that game against Florida State. Must have been one of the most electric atmospheres ever at the ARC. One can only wonder what the FSU players thought when they walked out--something like "what the hell just happened to us?"
Some observations--1. We were REALLY good! 2. We were playing against at least THREE NBA players and probably a fourth--Malik Beasley (Nuggets), Dwayne Bacon (Hornets) and Xavier Rathan-Mayes (Grizzlies) I would think that Terance Mann will also play in the NBA. 3. We held them scoreless for the first 5 minutes! 4. Alec Peters needs to have his number retired and 5. This game could have been the greatest student recruiting game of all time. That night was the opening ceremony for the National Lutheran Grade School Tournament and after the ceremony finished the kids and their parents made their way over to the ARC to see most of the game. So Lutheran kids from all over the nation watched us beat the only ACC team to ever play at the ARC. I'm sure some parents knew we played basketball but not basketball against a team from the ACC!!! Think they may have told some folks about the game they saw? Great stuff.
Quote from: vu72 on May 17, 2018, 11:22:45 AM
Great fun to watch that game against Florida State. Must have been one of the most electric atmospheres ever at the ARC. One can only wonder what the FSU players thought when they walked out--something like "what the hell just happened to us?"
Some observations--1. We were REALLY good! 2. We were playing against at least THREE NBA players and probably a fourth--Malik Beasley (Nuggets), Dwayne Bacon (Hornets) and Xavier Rathan-Mayes (Grizzlies) I would think that Terance Mann will also play in the NBA. 3. We held them scoreless for the first 5 minutes! 4. Alec Peters needs to have his number retired and 5. This game could have been the greatest student recruiting game of all time. That night was the opening ceremony for the National Lutheran Grade School Tournament and after the ceremony finished the kids and their parents made their way over to the ARC to see most of the game. So Lutheran kids from all over the nation watched us beat the only ACC team to ever play at the ARC. I'm sure some parents knew we played basketball but not basketball against a team from the ACC!!! Think they may have told some folks about the game they saw? Great stuff.
We're probably a few more years from reaping the majority of the benefits of that win and what became the biggest packed house of that year at the ARC.
You mean there are benefits to come beyond MVC membership and the wonderful benefits that has brought us? Sweet! Can't wait to see what they are!
Apparently there was one kid at the Lutheran basketball tournament that really stood out. I'm not even sure it's worth mentioning because he's so far away from College but I hope our coaches stay in contact with him. His name is Adam Stewart and he's 6-10 as 14 year old and was dominating.
https://twitter.com/adamstew22/status/993960087571091457
No mention of Valpo in this article about Brandon Newman's recruitment. He said he'd give Loyola a great chance. I wouldn't expect him to say anyone has a bad chance, but man would it be a kick to the gut to lose a hometown kid to a Conference rival.
https://twitter.com/KP_Rivals/status/997183053033299968
Rivals150 junior Brandon Newman is a shooting star
Eric Bossi • BasketballRecruiting.Rivals.com
@ebosshoops
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Newman has offers from Creighton, Loyola (Chicago), Xavier, Florida State and others, to go along with interest from Indiana, Kansas, Ohio State, Purdue and more. When asked the secret to his success this spring, though, he was all about team.
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Given the way Newman shoots the ball, his size and his potential as a defensive stopper, it's a bit surprising that he doesn't have any Big Ten offers. But he's not tripping out about it.
"They want to take their time," said Newman of Big Ten programs. "They want to have all three of their assistant coaches and the head coach watch me and have me down on visits."
Newman took some time to break down the interest from Loyola, Xavier, Creighton, Indiana and Ohio State. Loyola's Final Four run certainly made an impact on him.
"I think it gives (Loyola) a great chance," Newman said. "They want to win, they know how to win and they recruit players that want to win and commit to their program. Their guys aren't one-and-done guys. They are four-year guys and they are seniors, and I think that's what you need to win basketball games."
Xavier offered earlier this spring and helps Newman work on his game, even if the Musketeers can only do so much over the phone.
"What I like the most is how much they are in contact with me," said Newman. "They are texting me, calling me every week, a couple of times a week. They are coaching me up. I ask them what I need to work on, what do they see and things like that."
Creighton offered over the weekend.
"Coach (Paul) Lusk came before our first weekend in April and came to watch open gym," he said. "It was early, it was like a 6 a.m. workout, and he came to watch and talk. He showed me some things about the school and we kept continuing to talk and then they finally offered."
Indiana hasn't offered, but wants Newman on campus as soon as possible for a visit.
"Coach (Bruiser) Flint and (Tom) Ostrom, I've been talking to them," Newman said. "They say to keep staying in touch and that they want to have me for an unofficial sometime soon."
Newman said he plans to start setting up some unofficial visits soon and other than that he's focused on July. He's hoping that his jump shot and other parts of his game will win over high-level coaches, resulting in more opportunity.
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https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/rivals150-junior-brandon-newman-s-recruitment-takes-off
Why would it be so bad if he went to better programs? He appears to be destined for bigger things.
Hate to say it but Loyola has better national awareness and that's all that matters to many kids. If Loyola doesn't make their run, then we carry the edge.
Fact of the matter is we haven't done a darn thing to make guys like Newman want to come to Valpo. We haven't won a post season game (outside of NIT runner-up) since the late 1990's. These kids weren't even born...
My personal belief is the only want Newman cones to Valpo is if he transfers back home.
I was just going to type the same thing. He will start somewhere else, but who knows. He may get homesick or not get the PT he was wanting and make a return home in the future.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on May 22, 2018, 11:49:47 AM
Why would it be so bad if he went to better programs? He appears to be destined for bigger things.
Hate to say it but Loyola has better national awareness and that's all that matters to many kids. If Loyola doesn't make their run, then we carry the edge.
Fact of the matter is we haven't done a darn thing to make guys like Newman want to come to Valpo. We haven't won a post season game (outside of NIT runner-up) since the late 1990's. These kids weren't even born...
My personal belief is the only want Newman cones to Valpo is if he transfers back home.
I hope he finds great success wherever he goes. His recruitment has blown up so much that I don't expect him to land here. If he doesn't choose us I just hope he doesn't land at another Missouri Valley Conference school. Imagine playing Brandon twice a year. It would just suck.
We have always gotten guys who have had high major offers including guys like Burton, Evelyn and now, Gordon. We have had a bunch of guys transfer after starting at Power 5's. Eron won't be the last one. All that glitters is not gold my friends.
Interesting to hear Brandon Newman is exploring the option of attending prep school. Prep schools are recruiting him. It's just my :twocents: but I don't think he needs to go that route to get noticed by bigger programs.
https://twitter.com/PostTribSports/status/1002713650455511046
Valparaiso's Brandon Newman weighing prep school options while getting ready to play for Indiana Junior All-Stars
By: Mike Hutton
Post-Tribune
June 1, 2018
http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/ct-ptb-spt-boys-basketball-valparaiso-brandon-newman-st-0602-story.html
One of Valpo's three 2019 offers, Alex Hemenway is going to take a official visit to Belmont this weekend. Maybe we could expect a official visit at some point this summer? He's still long-shot to land, imo but you never know.
D1 recruits get ONLY 5 official visits five and he just spent one of them on Belmont. He has offers from the likes of Nebraska, Xavier, Butler, Clemson, and Creighton. Will he give another one of those valuable official visits to another Mid-Major? I'm not so sure. Last I heard Clemson was recruiting him hard and the interest from Xavier and Nebraska was very real.
https://twitter.com/EngGordon/status/1006568242431881216
To be honest, I think all of our 2019 offers are a bit of a long shot at this point: Brandon Newman, Alex Hemenway and Quincy Guerrier. We have 2 scholarships left for 2018 and it's very plausible we could roll at least one into the 2019 class.
Quote from: VU2014 on June 12, 2018, 11:31:42 AM
One of Valpo's three 2019 offers, Alex Hemenway is going to take a official visit to Belmont this weekend. Maybe we could expect a official visit at some point this summer? He's still long-shot to land, imo but you never know.
D1 recruits get ONLY 5 official visits five and he just spent one of them on Belmont. He has offers from the likes of Nebraska, Xavier, Butler, Clemson, and Creighton. Will he give another one of those valuable official visits to another Mid-Major? I'm not so sure. Last I heard Clemson was recruiting him hard and the interest from Xavier and Nebraska was very real.
https://twitter.com/EngGordon/status/1006568242431881216
To be honest, I think all of our 2019 offers are a bit of a long shot at this point: Brandon Newman, Alex Hemenway and Quincy Guerrier. We have 2 scholarships left for 2018 and it's very plausible we could role at least one into the 2019 class.
Butler's scholarships are currently filled for 2019, so they aren't currently recruiting him (and haven't been for quite awhile). Xavier's got Paul Scruggs, Keonte Kennedy and Elias King, so I would be surprised if there was interest anymore. Clemson was watching him as recently as late April, not sure about Nebraska.
Having said that, Belmont's a good school in a really fun city. Hemenway seems like the type of player that Belmont does well with.
I'm still not optimistic about landing him but I'm more optimistic than I was before knowing that Butler and X are likely out. "So you're telling me there's a chance."
With 3-star JFL and now 3.7-star Eron Gordon firmly committed, Valpo is stacked at SG. I would guess the coaching staff has moved on to more pressing needs.
Quote from: wh on June 13, 2018, 05:36:55 AM
With 3-star JFL and now 3.7-star Eron Gordon firmly committed, Valpo is stacked at SG. I would guess the coaching staff has moved on to more pressing needs.
I'm pretty interested in seeing the roster construction of the program the next few years. It seems like the staff is recruiting a lot of guard and trying to bring in players with added versatility.
All of the 2019 offers happen to be Shooting Guards. I'm curious what kind of bigs they bring in after Sorolla and Smits near graduation. Both are somewhat prototypical big men. Smits is a little different because he has a mid-range jump shot but we have hardly seen him try it within the flow of the offense the last 2 seasons. I'm imagining the future of our bigs will need to be a bit more athletic in the MVC. Both the seven footers struggled against more athletic competition by teams like Illinois State and smaller/quicker guys like Krutwig at Loyola.
I'd love to see us add a freshman sharp shooting SF with some size. By the time Fazekas graduates in 2 years he'd be groomed to take over the position.
The recruiting front has been quiet lately.
Isn't June a slow month? AAU is on break and the guys are back with their high school teams.
Quote from: VU2014 on June 13, 2018, 04:14:45 PMQuote from: wh on June 13, 2018, 05:36:55 AMWith 3-star JFL and now 3.7-star Eron Gordon firmly committed, Valpo is stacked at SG. I would guess the coaching staff has moved on to more pressing needs.
I'm pretty interested in seeing the roster construction of the program the next few years. It seems like the staff is recruiting a lot of guard and trying to bring in players with added versatility. All of the 2019 offers happen to be Shooting Guards.
This shift toward a more athletic more versatile roster will serve us well as the college game continues to evolve toward the free-flowing positionless style of the NBA. Guard play will continue to be important but so will quick athletic bigs that can switch step out and guard multiple positions. Think Alize Johnson or Milik Yarbrough as examples. We're doing a great job of making our roster reflect these changes and building it up to face the rigors of the MVC. I'm excited for the future and hope the positive trend continues. Go Valpo!
I'm hearing Valpo has offered Chris Payton, a 6'7" SF 2019 recruit from Bloomington, IL.
Couple tweets confirming valpopal's info regarding offer to Chris Payton.
Tweeted by@THEchrispayton
Had a great time at elite camp today. Blessed to have receive an offer from Valparaiso University! https://t.co/4kGPblS35Z
Tweeted by@Dwilliams1515
Driving back from @ValpoBasketball ELITE camp with my guy @THEchrispayton who picked up an offer from @CoachLottich ..#greattrip #adamsguys
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Is this the same Chris Payton who is from Bloomington-Normal and originally committed to Illinois State?
It appears that Chris (verbally) committed to Illinois State before his junior year, then decommitted in January.
https://www.pantagraph.com/sports/college/illinois-state/bhs-star-payton-decommits-from-isu-reopens-recruitment/article_60b07871-496f-59cb-a108-f421e581cc16.html#tncms-source=infinity-scroll-summary-siderail-latest
He is ranked no. 8 in IL and 3 stars by 247 Sports and Rivals.
Likes to push the ball and handles it well for 6-7. Looks aggressive with shot blocking skills.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkAberSkuAw
I remember hearing he committed to ISU last year and decommitted after he started to get interest from other P5 schools.
According to his verbal commits page he only has one offer which is to ISU, but he has received interest from Illinois, SLU and Bradley. The last I heard is that Illinois' interest slowed down a bit and they aren't recruiting him too hard but ISU is still recruit him hard (but they've offered literally 15 people in the 2019 class already). Bloomington is his hometown so that may or may not offer a recruiting advantage to them. He seems to have a pretty high upside. I'm thinking his VC page isn't updated because he's considered one of the Top players from the state of Illinois for the class of 2019.
Status: Undecided
Year: 2019 (HS JR)
Position: SF
Height: 6-7
Weight: 205
Hometown: Bloomington, IL
High School: Bloomington High School
Offers: Illinois State, Valparaiso, I think I remember hearing he had a offer from UIC
Interest: Illinois, SLU, Bradley, Purdue, Indiana, Butler, Kansas State
Rank:
247: 3 star (NATL. RANK: 277, SF RANK: 57, IL RANK 9)
ESPN: 4 star (SF RANK: 35, IL RANK 9)
http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/chris-payton
https://247sports.com/Player/Charles-Payton-94453
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/216203/charles-payton
Wow. Brandon Newman has really raised his stock this summer. Rivals has him as a Top 100 recruit in the country now.
https://twitter.com/RobBehrend/status/1010955178399461378
Amazing what playing on an AAU team like MeanStreets can do for ya. Good for him making the most of his opportunities.
Has anyone else heard the rumors that Brandon Newman will attend prep school his senior year? If so that's a bit of a bummer. Would love to see him make a run with VHS. I'll be rooting for him where ever he lands.
Not sure about prep school - but got an IU offer
https://twitter.com/coreyevans_10/status/1011394638308085760
The rumors are certainly out there. I don't know to what extent they are true.
As a life-long Valpo resident, I can attest that Valparaiso University men's basketball is held in low esteem by the vast majority of resident college basketball fans. Most have tunnel vision love for IU, Purdue and the Big Ten or the typical dose of Catholic affection for Notre Dame. Newman isn't coming to VU any more than Hummel and Martin were ever going to. It's a nice human interest story, but there's no there there.
Quote from: wh on June 25, 2018, 08:58:52 PM
As a life-long Valpo resident, I can attest that Valparaiso University men's basketball is held in low esteem by the vast majority of resident college basketball fans. Most have tunnel vision love for IU, Purdue and the Big Ten or the typical dose of Catholic affection for Notre Dame. Newman isn't coming to VU any more than Hummel and Martin were ever going to. It's a nice human interest story, but there's no there there.
Agreed. I doubt we'll even seriously get considered.
Could Newman end up like Dorothy from the Wizard of Oz and come to realize after playing 1 or 2 years in the B1G that "there's no place like home, there's no place like home."
It didn't happen to Hummel or Martin but it certainly would not be the first VHS alum to want to come home.
Quote from: bbtds on June 26, 2018, 05:12:34 AM
Could Newman end up like Dorothy from the Wizard of Oz and come to realize after playing 1 or 2 years in the B1G that "there's no place like home, there's no place like home."
It didn't happen to Hummel or Martin but it certainly would not be the first VHS alum to want to come home.
But it did happen to Casey Schmidt and David Redmon!
Quote from: vu72 on June 26, 2018, 07:00:40 AM
Quote from: bbtds on June 26, 2018, 05:12:34 AM
Could Newman end up like Dorothy from the Wizard of Oz and come to realize after playing 1 or 2 years in the B1G that "there's no place like home, there's no place like home."
It didn't happen to Hummel or Martin but it certainly would not be the first VHS alum to want to come home.
But it did happen to Casey Schmidt and David Redmon!
And of course Rob Harden....Mike Jones committed to Ole Miss but I think there was a coaching change and I don't think he ever went south.
Quote from: wh on June 25, 2018, 08:58:52 PM
As a life-long Valpo resident, I can attest that Valparaiso University men's basketball is held in low esteem by the vast majority of resident college basketball fans. Most have tunnel vision love for IU, Purdue and the Big Ten or the typical dose of Catholic affection for Notre Dame. Newman isn't coming to VU any more than Hummel and Martin were ever going to. It's a nice human interest story, but there's no there there.
Not sure the purpose of this post, were people claiming he might end up at Valpo?
https://www.google.com/amp/www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/ct-ptb-spt-boys-basketball-valparaiso-brandon-newman-st-0602-story,amp.html
Here is a link to an article about Newman and prep school. From my understanding there is a better than 50% chance he's leaving VHS but don't hold me to that.
That makes less than zero sense in Newman's case. The reason to go to a prep school is if you feel you are somehow underrecruited, or if you need an extra year to develop and get seen against better competition. Between his AAU team and his h.s. program, which is a traditional power and plays at the highest level in one of the top states for h.s. talent in the country -- not to mention the fact that he already has multiple offers from ACC, Big Ten, and Big East schools -- going prep school doesn't seem to have much rationale behind it, unless he just wants to move out of Valpo one year sooner.
Quote from: IndyValpo on June 26, 2018, 07:32:31 AM
Quote from: vu72 on June 26, 2018, 07:00:40 AM
Quote from: bbtds on June 26, 2018, 05:12:34 AM
Could Newman end up like Dorothy from the Wizard of Oz and come to realize after playing 1 or 2 years in the B1G that "there's no place like home, there's no place like home."
It didn't happen to Hummel or Martin but it certainly would not be the first VHS alum to want to come home.
But it did happen to Casey Schmidt and David Redmon!
And of course Rob Harden....Mike Jones committed to Ole Miss but I think there was a coaching change and I don't think he ever went south.
The situation at hand is whether a local high school kid might opt to stay home and sign a LOI with VU. I explained why it won't happen due to the local mentality.
As I said, history clearly supports the fact. If you eliminate Bryce from the discussion for obvious reasons, you have to go back more than 30 years to find a Valpo kid that signed with VU out of high school. That's not an indictment of the university, it's an indictment of a community with a parochial mentality.
Quote from: wh on June 26, 2018, 12:44:27 PM
The situation at hand is whether a local high school kid might opt to stay home and sign a LOI with VU. I explained why it won't happen due to the local mentality.
As I said, history clearly supports the fact. If you eliminate Bryce from the discussion for obvious reasons, you have to go back more than 30 years to find a Valpo kid that signed with VU out of high school. That's not an indictment of the university, it's an indictment of a community with a parochial mentality.
"History doesn't repeat itself but it often rhymes," - Mark Twain
QuoteAs I said, history clearly supports the fact. If you eliminate Bryce from the discussion for obvious reasons, you have to go back more than 30 years to find a Valpo kid that signed with VU out of high school. That's not an indictment of the university, it's an indictment of a community with a parochial mentality.
(Pushes glasses up on nose):
Technically, 27 years... Rob Cavanaugh.
Also, that's been 27 years? Oh man, I'm old.
But yeah, look, it's not that we can't occasionally land the guy with P5 offers right out of HS, but I can't recall the last Valpo HS kid (Bryce excluded) that fell into that category. (Heck, I think Kenny Harris is the last Region kid who had P5 offers that we landed and that was what, 17 years ago?) It's an uphill climb for a number of reasons.
Quote from: bigmosmithfan1 on June 26, 2018, 01:16:23 PM
QuoteAs I said, history clearly supports the fact. If you eliminate Bryce from the discussion for obvious reasons, you have to go back more than 30 years to find a Valpo kid that signed with VU out of high school. That's not an indictment of the university, it's an indictment of a community with a parochial mentality.
(Pushes glasses up on nose):
Technically, 27 years... Rob Cavanaugh.
Also, that's been 27 years? Oh man, I'm old.
But yeah, look, it's not that we can't occasionally land the guy with P5 offers right out of HS, but I can't recall the last Valpo HS kid (Bryce excluded) that fell into that category. (Heck, I think Kenny Harris is the last Region kid who had P5 offers that we landed and that was what, 17 years ago?) It's an uphill climb for a number of reasons.
Honest question, how many P5 offered kids have we gotten from anywhere (not counting transfers)?
Honest question#2, how many p5 offered kids has Valpo HS produced. I count 6 Harden1, Harden2, Schmidt ,Drew, Hummel, Martin with Newman on the way. I may very easily be missing some.
Quote from: IndyValpo on June 26, 2018, 01:47:28 PM
Honest question, how many P5 offered kids have we gotten from anywhere (not counting transfers)?
It's hard to define what is a "offer" from a Power Conference school these days. A lot of schools will "offer" but really it means interest. It's sadly become common practice to "offer" kids but in reality they are just Plan b, c, d, e, etc.
Alec Peters: had offers from Utah, Butler (Their interest stopped after a different kid they wanted more committed. There is actually a interesting backstory), Boston College
Derrik Smits: I believe had "offers" from Power Conference schools: Butler was involved but they chose Nate Fowler of Smits, Clemson, Xavier and was getting interest from Purdue and Gonzaga at one point.
David Skara: had a offer from Virginia Tech
Jay Harris: Was a high recruit out of high school. What a bust... http://www.espn.com/chicago/teams/preps/columns/story?columnist=powers_scott&id=4957814
Quote from: bigmosmithfan1 on June 26, 2018, 01:16:23 PM
QuoteAs I said, history clearly supports the fact. If you eliminate Bryce from the discussion for obvious reasons, you have to go back more than 30 years to find a Valpo kid that signed with VU out of high school. That's not an indictment of the university, it's an indictment of a community with a parochial mentality.
(Pushes glasses up on nose):
Technically, 27 years... Rob Cavanaugh.
Also, that's been 27 years? Oh man, I'm old.
But yeah, look, it's not that we can't occasionally land the guy with P5 offers right out of HS, but I can't recall the last Valpo HS kid (Bryce excluded) that fell into that category. (Heck, I think Kenny Harris is the last Region kid who had P5 offers that we landed and that was what, 17 years ago?) It's an uphill climb for a number of reasons.
Since you brought up Rob Cavanaugh, I thought I would post a terrific Paul Oren story about Rob from a few months ago. A great guy!
PROFILES IN SUCCESS: Cavanaugh takes hoops lessons into his work as an orthodontist
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/profiles-in-success-cavanaugh-takes-hoops-lessons-into-his-work/article_73ddef9a-2897-59b5-a650-afdd2aabacab.amp.html
Wasn't Todd Smith a good player out of Valpo High?
Todd went on to be an assistant coach at Rice.
This is part of his bio there:
The 40-year-old Smith, who was born in Valparaiso, Ind., played high school basketball at Valparaiso High. He was an all-conference prep performer, leading the Vikings to the "Sweet 16" in a state that is fanatic about its high school basketball. After graduating from high school in 1984, he went on to play at the next level for his father in his hometown.
It often happens that a "local" star leaves his hometown to play at another school out of town... even in P5 situations.
Quote from: VU2014 on June 26, 2018, 03:03:00 PM
Alec Peters: had offers from Utah, Butler (Their interest stopped after a different kid they wanted more committed. There is actually a interesting backstory), Boston College
What's the backstory?
Quote from: zvillehaze on June 27, 2018, 08:06:04 AM
Quote from: VU2014 on June 26, 2018, 03:03:00 PM
Alec Peters: had offers from Utah, Butler (Their interest stopped after a different kid they wanted more committed. There is actually a interesting backstory), Boston College
What's the backstory?
The story that I was told was that AP had interest in wanting to play for Butler early on in his recruitment but Butler was lukewarm on him because they had a higher priority recruits. Valpo, ISUr and Butler were basically his top 3. One of Butler's higher priority recruits (I want to say his name was Andrew Chrabascz) committed to them and then they ended up pulling the offer to AP and stopped showing interest. But then at the very end of his recruitment process a Butler player got kicked off the team for misconduct off the court and the butler coaching staff called AP up and was like "just kidding, we want you again" and he said "thanks but no thanks"/not interested in you guys anymore. Meanwhile the Valpo Coaching Staff made it abundantly clear that he was their top priority and that they genuinely loved the kid. (Although apparently they didn't offer on his unofficial visit lol and it puzzled AP, because he liked VU. Listen to the USH episode with AP, b/c I think talks about it.) He ends up taking a visit to ISUr. He was suppose to take his official visit to Valpo the next weekend, but I think there was a death in the family so he couldn't take a visit. The Valpo coaching staff ends doing a in home visit that weekend instead, because he couldn't make the trip. The following weekend he visits Valpo and like a day or two after his Valpo visit, he commits to Valpo.
It just goes to show how important it is to show a commitment to guy all throughout the recruitment process. Program culture matters. The thing I love about the Valpo program is that when our Coaching Staff Offers, it's a real offer and not just interest. I bet you Butler staff would love to have a redo on that Alec Peters recruitment process. (side note: AP also had offers from Tennessee and Washington State)
QuoteWasn't Todd Smith a good player out of Valpo High?
Todd was a good player at VHS, but his dad, Tom, was the VU head coach at the time. Also, I'm pretty sure Todd didn't have much in the way of other D-1 offers -- he was expected to be a role player. In fact, I think he may have even technically counted as a walk-on his freshman year.
Quote from: VU2014 on June 27, 2018, 09:54:00 AM
The story that I was told was that AP had interest in wanting to play for Butler early on in his recruitment but Butler was lukewarm on him because they had a higher priority recruits. Valpo, ISUr and Butler were basically his top 3. One of Butler's higher priority recruits (I want to say his name was Andrew Chrabascz) committed to them and then they ended up pulling the offer to AP and stopped showing interest. But then at the very end of his recruitment process a Butler player got kicked off the team for misconduct off the court and the butler coaching staff called AP up and was like "just kidding, we want you again" and he said "thanks but no thanks"/not interested in you guys anymore. Meanwhile the Valpo Coaching Staff made it abundantly clear that he was their top priority and that they genuinely loved the kid. (Although apparently they didn't offer on his unofficial visit lol and it puzzled AP, because he liked VU. Listen to the USH episode with AP, b/c I think talks about it.) He ends up taking a visit to ISUr. He was suppose to take his official visit to Valpo the next weekend, but I think there was a death in the family so he couldn't take a visit. The Valpo coaching staff ends doing a in home visit that weekend instead, because he couldn't make the trip. The following weekend he visits Valpo and like a day or two after his Valpo visit, he commits to Valpo.
It just goes to show how important it is to show a commitment to guy all throughout the recruitment process. Program culture matters. The thing I love about the Valpo program is that when our Coaching Staff Offers, it's a real offer and not just interest. I bet you Butler staff would love to have a redo on that Alec Peters recruitment process. (side note: AP also had offers from Tennessee and Washington State)
I'm not going to disagree with the gist of the story above, but I sincerely doubt that Brad Stevens is regretting that recruitment, and none of the staff at the time are at Butler anymore. Peters wouldn't have played for him anyway. Butler got 3 tourney appearances and a Sweet 16 out of it and Chrabascz was a 1st team Big East player. Did he wind up being as good of an individual player as Peters? Not even close, but I'm fine with how things wound up, and I think Valpo and its fans are as well.
Quote from: IrishDawg on June 27, 2018, 10:32:10 AM
I'm not going to disagree with the gist of the story above, but I sincerely doubt that Brad Stevens is regretting that recruitment. Peters wouldn't have played for him anyway. Butler got 3 tourney appearances and a Sweet 16 out of it and Chrabascz was a 1st team Big East player. Did he wind up being as good of an individual player as Peters? Not even close, but I'm fine with how things wound up, and I think Valpo and its fans are as well.
Yeah I doubt Stevens is thinking about College recruitment these days lol. I don't think he's ever coming back to the college game as a coach. It's all in the past now and all parties are happy at the end of the day.
Quote from: VU2014 on June 27, 2018, 10:38:14 AM
Quote from: IrishDawg on June 27, 2018, 10:32:10 AM
I'm not going to disagree with the gist of the story above, but I sincerely doubt that Brad Stevens is regretting that recruitment. Peters wouldn't have played for him anyway. Butler got 3 tourney appearances and a Sweet 16 out of it and Chrabascz was a 1st team Big East player. Did he wind up being as good of an individual player as Peters? Not even close, but I'm fine with how things wound up, and I think Valpo and its fans are as well.
Yeah I doubt Stevens is thinking about College recruitment these days lol. I don't think he's ever coming back to the college game as a coach. It's all in the past now and all parties are happy at the end of the day.
Don't kid yourself! It no doubt is still eating at Stevens that he left the college game losing his last four chances to beat Valpo! ;)
Getting in on a kid early is pretty critical at the midmajor level in order to land those occasional difference-maker type of players. Yes, four out of five times the kid will end up taking the latecoming P5 offer. But once in a while, you'll get the kid who takes the opposite tack and will stick with the first program to show interest and shun the P5 guys trying to swoop in at the end. All it takes is a couple of those every 3-4 years to make a good midmajor program a great one.
In addition, being early opens the door for when the unexpected happens. Zach Gunn was an IU commit, until Crean got fired. Since Ball State was the first team that recruited him and stayed with him throughout the process, even when they were pretty clearly no longer in the running, when he decommitted from IU, James Whitford's staff was his first call, and he quickly became a Cardinal.
I good article about 2019 recruit Alex Hemenway. I think this kid is going to be a absolute stud. His recruitment started to blow up his Sophomore year and that Summer going into his Junior year, but he had a somewhat "disappointing" HS Junior season and was banged up. He's still one of the best players in the State of Indiana in my opinion. He has offers from: Clemson, Butler, Creighton, Nebraska, Xavier, Bradley, Belmont, NKU, and Evansville. I'm not sure how "in" on his recruitment we are anymore with Coach Ragland being the primary recruiter and now having left. If the Power 5 and BE programs interest waivers on this kid and he becomes a realistic "get" for us, I'd be very disappointed if we don't make a hard push to sign him. Clemson seems to be recruiting him the most, but he might not find the same amount of playing time or "role" that he would get at a Mid-Major program.
He's going to narrow his Top 6 (Belmont sounds like they're in his Top 6 already) by the end of July. I hope we're in his Top 6. I think he'd fit well with the Valpo Basketball program culture and he's a hell of a basketball player.
https://twitter.com/courierthescore/status/1009150642286481408
Injuries, heartbreak fail to slow down Castle basketball star Alex Hemenway
THE NEWBURGH NATIVE CURRENTLY HOLDS OFFERS FROM NEARLY A DOZEN DIVISION I BASKETBALL PROGRAMS ENTERING AN IMPORTANT MONTH OF JULY FOR INDIANA ELITE.
Gordon Engelhardt
Evansville Courier & Press
https://www.courierpress.com/story/sports/high-school/2018/06/19/injuries-heartbreak-fail-slow-down-castle-basketball-star/702314002/
For as hard as they recruit Indiana it baffles me that Belmont has no interest in the MVC. You would think that the chance to come to one of their recruiting hotbeds 3 times a year most years while playing programs more suited for their caliber and institutions more akin to their own would appeal to them.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on July 05, 2018, 11:27:48 AM
For as hard as they recruit Indiana it baffles me that Belmont has no interest in the MVC. You would think that the chance to come to one of their recruiting hotbeds 3 times a year most years while playing programs more suited for their caliber and institutions more akin to their own would appeal to them.
They want to be the big fish in a small pond. Byrd is probably approaching retirement and he may not be up for another conference switch where things like recruiting and game prep gets more competitive/demanding. Belmont would also need to make a greater financial commitment to athletics if they were to join the Valley, which may be something they aren't interested in. It makes sense for them as fit but some Universities don't have the same goals as others. It would be maddening if I were a Belmont fan, though. I've sort of have moved passed the idea of Belmont in the MVC. If they change their mind then great, but if not it's not the end of the world.
If I were a talented recruit like Hemenway I'd opt to play in the MVC over the OVC. In the MVC he'd be a impact guy and would get to test himself against better competition night in and night out as a underclassman.
Quote from: VU2014 on July 05, 2018, 11:48:39 AM
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on July 05, 2018, 11:27:48 AM
For as hard as they recruit Indiana it baffles me that Belmont has no interest in the MVC. You would think that the chance to come to one of their recruiting hotbeds 3 times a year most years while playing programs more suited for their caliber and institutions more akin to their own would appeal to them.
They want to be the big fish in a small pond. Byrd is probably approaching retirement and he may not be up for another conference switch where things like recruiting and game prep gets more competitive/demanding. Belmont would also need to make a greater financial commitment to athletics if they were to join the Valley, which may be something they aren't interested in. It makes sense for them as fit but some Universities don't have the same goals as others. It would be maddening if I were a Belmont fan, though. I've sort of have moved passed the idea of Belmont in the MVC. If they change they're mind then great, but if not it's not the end of the world.
If I were a talented recruit like Hemenway I'd opt to play in the MVC over the OVC. In the MVC he'd be a impact guy and would get to test himself against better competition night in and night out as a underclassman.
Belmont spent $2,668,559 during the 16-17 season, which would have put them firmly in the middle of the MVC for Men's Basketball. Now, maybe the rest of their sports would be severely underfunded in the league, but if they were to make the move, outside of increased travel costs, I don't think commitment to athletic spending is the issue. For example, during the fiscal year ending in 2017, Belmont spent $14,151,161 on athletics. Valpo spent $14,002,519, including $1.1M on football, a sport that Belmont doesn't have. Pair that with Belmont only sponsoring 13 total sport teams and Valpo sponsoring 17, and I think that further supports it not being an issue of spending as to why Belmont doesn't make the jump to the MVC.
In terms of recruiting, it just depends what a kid is looking for. If it's making it to the tournament or the NIT most every year (7 of the last 10), then a kid might be willing to look past the lack of competition in league when considering Belmont. If he wants to play against better competition in league, then it's the MVC all the way, though I'll be interested to see how big of a player UE becomes now.
Quote from: IrishDawg on July 05, 2018, 01:07:34 PM
In terms of recruiting, it just depends what a kid is looking for. If it's making it to the tournament or the NIT most every year (7 of the last 10), then a kid might be willing to look past the lack of competition in league when considering Belmont. If he wants to play against better competition in league, then it's the MVC all the way, though I'll be interested to see how big of a player UE becomes now.
I'm curious as well. I know Marty's staff was recruiting him pretty hard but as of when that article was written he had never met or talked to McCarty.
As much as I'd enjoy landing Alex, here's a quote from the article...
"Honestly, I believed ever since I was six-to-eight years old ... It's been my dream to play at the highest level of basketball..."
Too often this takes even MVC Valpo out of the equation. For those that welcomed the HL to MVC transition, undoubtedly we get more serious looks. However, Clemson and others (P5) are his intended landing spot should those offers still be on the table. Same reason Newman will likely fall from our radar if he hasn't already.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on July 05, 2018, 02:03:03 PM
As much as I'd enjoy landing Alex, here's a quote from the article...
"Honestly, I believed ever since I was six-to-eight years old ... It's been my dream to play at the highest level of basketball..."
Too often this takes even MVC Valpo out of the equation. For those that welcomed the HL to MVC transition, undoubtedly we get more serious looks. However, Clemson and others (P5) are his intended landing spot should those offers still be on the table. Same reason Newman will likely fall from our radar if he hasn't already.
Highest level is NBA. I'm not sure if he's talking college or pros.
Newman's stock is much higher than Hemenway's right now. I've just accepted that we have no shot of landing Brandon out of HS. Hemenway strikes me as a guy who values things outside of just the level of competition. He seems like someone who values culture and relationship, which could be a selling point for us. Coach Ragland built a relationship, but problem is he is no longer with the program. The coaches probably know where they stand with his recruitment at this point.
I think Chris Payton and Alex Hemenway are our most realistic 2019 recruits we've offered. To be honest I'm not sure how likely Hemenway is. I hope we can get an official visit.
https://twitter.com/EngGordon/status/1009104705694429185
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on July 05, 2018, 02:03:03 PM
As much as I'd enjoy landing Alex, here's a quote from the article...
"Honestly, I believed ever since I was six-to-eight years old ... It's been my dream to play at the highest level of basketball..."
Too often this takes even MVC Valpo out of the equation. For those that welcomed the HL to MVC transition, undoubtedly we get more serious looks. However, Clemson and others (P5) are his intended landing spot should those offers still be on the table. Same reason Newman will likely fall from our radar if he hasn't already.
I think it also depends on how real those offers are right now. Butler already has their 2019 scholarships filled, and other than keeping in touch with kids in case of a transfer, there's nothing available there. Xavier offers everyone under the sun, and already have several players ahead of him on their depth chart. Creighton's got a few guys ahead of him on their recruiting chart, Nebraska and Clemson could be real, but both also have guys on their radar ahead of him ratings-wise as well.
Honestly the schools who look like they've made him a priority (at least in terms of who else they are also recruiting at his position and year) are Belmont, Bradley, Valpo, Northern Kentucky and IUPUI. My guess is he is hoping for a power program to really come after him, but until he settles on a his officials, we won't really know whose interest is real and whose isn't. I don't think he's an unrealistic target for Valpo.
Wow... bummer for the community. I hope it all works out for Brandon.
https://twitter.com/BSnow247/status/1015282192082259969
Valpo offered Payton a few weeks ago.
https://twitter.com/scottybscout/status/1015457476278407169
Quote from: VU2014 on July 06, 2018, 11:55:12 PM
Valpo offered Payton a few weeks ago.
https://twitter.com/scottybscout/status/1015457476278407169
Don't expect a quick decision from him. He is going to wait it out and see if he can draw P5 interest.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on July 07, 2018, 12:01:51 AM
Quote from: VU2014 on July 06, 2018, 11:55:12 PM
Valpo offered Payton a few weeks ago.
https://twitter.com/scottybscout/status/1015457476278407169
Don't expect a quick decision from him. He is going to wait it out and see if he can draw P5 interest.
Agreed. He committed to his hometown ISUr Redbirds last year and walked that back pretty quickly when he started getting P5 interest.
A big couple weeks for the Coaches starting today. It's the start of the official NCAA evaluation period. Coaches can now watch High School student-athletes compete at their HS practices, visit their high schools, and write or telephone student-athletes or their parents.
The work that the Coaches put in the next couple weeks could set the foundation for the recruiting/evaluating for the Valpo student-athletes of the future. Good luck to the coaches!
This pretty much seals the deal that Alex Hemenway will land with Clemson. Good for Marty he's landing in a good situation.
https://twitter.com/patmhickey/status/1018215750161567744
Article mentions a Valpo recruit Chris Payton and another player who came in for a visit a few weeks ago, Tyler Beard.
https://twitter.com/michaelsobrien/status/1017422301678227457
Live period primer: Who and what to watch in July
Joe Henricksen
For Sun-Times Media | @joehoopsreport
July 11 10:34 p.m.
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ALL EYES ON (CLASS OF 2019)
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◼︎ Tom Welch, Naperville North
◼︎ Nate Ferguson, Lemont
◼︎ Marquise Kennedy, Brother Rice
CLASS OF 2019 SUPER SLEEPER
◼︎ Tujautae Williams, Orr
...
Bloomington's Chris Payton clearly will need to re-establish himself this month to inch his way up past mid-major status. Once committed to Illinois State, the highly-athletic 6-7 Payton recently picked up offers from New Mexico and Valparaiso.
... https://www.suntimeshighschoolsports.com/2018/07/11/july-live-period-primer
Quote from: VU2014 on July 16, 2018, 12:20:06 AMBloomington's Chris Payton clearly will need to re-establish himself this month to inch his way up past mid-major status. Once committed to Illinois State, the highly-athletic 6-7 Payton recently picked up offers from New Mexico and Valparaiso.
Just a reminder here that Albuquerque has no professional sports in either MLB, NBA, NHL, NFL, or MLS. Here is the winter weather in Albuquerque, a town of less than 1M people which is about the same size of metro Lake and Porter Counties:
Winter consists of chilly/mild days and cold nights. December, the coolest month, averages 36.3 °F (2.4 °C), although low temperatures bottom out in January, and the coldest temperature of the year is typically around 10 °F (−12 °C).[35] Most nights in December, January, and February will be below freezing.
Quote from: historyman on July 16, 2018, 03:52:58 AM
Quote from: VU2014 on July 16, 2018, 12:20:06 AMBloomington's Chris Payton clearly will need to re-establish himself this month to inch his way up past mid-major status. Once committed to Illinois State, the highly-athletic 6-7 Payton recently picked up offers from New Mexico and Valparaiso.
Just a reminder here that Albuquerque has no professional sports in either MLB, NBA, NHL, NFL, or MLS. Here is the winter weather in Albuquerque, a town of less than 1M people which is about the same size of metro Lake and Porter Counties:
Winter consists of chilly/mild days and cold nights. December, the coolest month, averages 36.3 °F (2.4 °C), although low temperatures bottom out in January, and the coldest temperature of the year is typically around 10 °F (−12 °C).[35] Most nights in December, January, and February will be below freezing.
Doesn't sound remarkably different from Valpo. Valpo and the MVC just need to keep working to raise their profile so we can win recruiting battles with peer conferences.
I hear there is a big Meth problem down in Albuquerque.
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The first girl I ever kissed was from Albuquerque, and I once encountered a rattlesnake while hiking the Sandia Foothills. So there's that...
https://twitter.com/Illinois_Stars/status/1019698000082464769
There are some talented kids on that SYF squad, including Marquette Catholic product Colin Kenney. Kenney has been getting D1 interest from schools like Kent State. He's a pretty underrated kid in our own backyard. The only knock on him is his size from what I've heard, but he's going to a nice recruiting pick up for someone.
https://twitter.com/INBBallSource/status/1020053869177524224
Quote from: VU2014 on July 18, 2018, 10:24:52 PM
https://twitter.com/Illinois_Stars/status/1019698000082464769
Don't know anything about these kids, but if the competition is IUPUI and UWM, I'm not enthused. We need to aim higher.
Quote from: EddieCabot on July 19, 2018, 09:40:14 PMWe need to aim higher.
What is this WE talk????? Are we finally getting you snared in?
https://twitter.com/AUSA_Hoops/status/1020697871266574336
It sounds like Coach Lottich was scouting one the Australian AAU programs today.
Valpo recruit Chris Payton mentions that he is one of/if not the top priority for the Valpo Coaching Staff in a interview. We have one scholarship as of right now for the 2019 class.
It seems like Payton hasn't had as strong of a AAU season as he has wanted but this kid has a TON of potential. Freakish athletic ability. His up and down AAU season might keep his recruitment at a level where we could compete to land him. He was getting a ton of high major interest last Summer but it seems to have cooled since then. He didn't have the huge Junior season that many thought was coming. He could be a steal for someone at the mid-major level. He mentioned that he wants to make his decision by this Fall.
https://twitter.com/scottybscout/status/1021218478664093696
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qq0b5TM-Rac
Quote from: VU2014 on July 22, 2018, 09:35:45 PM
Valpo recruit Chris Payton mentions that he is one of/if not the top priority for the Valpo Coaching Staff in a interview. We have one scholarship as of right now for the 2019 class.
It seems like Payton hasn't had as strong of a AAU season as he has wanted but this kid has a TON of potential. Freakish athletic ability. His up and down AAU season might keep his recruitment at a level where we could compete to land him. He was getting a ton of high major interest last Summer but it seems to have cooled since then. He didn't have the huge Junior season that many thought was coming. He could be a steal for someone at the mid-major level. He mentioned that he wants to make his decision by this Fall.
https://twitter.com/scottybscout/status/1021218478664093696
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qq0b5TM-Rac
New Mexico has made 23 2019 offers. Nevada - 17. Those are more like a child's Christmas list than serious recruiting lists. Valpo has offered 4 players, including Payton.
If one can be impressed by an interview this certainly hits the mark. Chris Payton seems to be a very well spoken young man.
Quote from: FWalum on July 23, 2018, 09:05:00 AM
If one can be impressed by and interview this certainly hits the mark. Chris Payton seems to be a very well spoken young man.
Agreed. He seems like a mature young man. His story just seems like a Valpo type player: maybe a slightly overlooked guy, whose aspects of their game isn't polished and the Valpo coaching staff develops the kid over 4 years. If we could get him in on a official visit I think we'd have a shot. His potential sophomore year he'd be playing big minutes for us.
Storylines, notes from NY2LA's Summer Jam bonanza
Joe Henricksen
For Sun-Times Media | @joehoopsreport
July 23
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Bloomington's Chris Payton is an absolute enigma as a player. Is he still a top five prospect in the Class of 2019 in Illinois? He certainly has it in him.
The physical gifts –– the wide-shouldered body, the explosiveness off the floor, the way he moves when he wants to –– are clear. The production on the club circuit, however, has not matched the potential he possesses. The flash he shows has not been followed by the substance. It's going to be interesting to follow the recruitment of Payton going forward. But if you're a mid-major program, you still have to be extremely intrigued by the potential be brings.
... https://www.suntimeshighschoolsports.com/2018/07/23/storylines-notes-ny2las-summer-jam-bonanza/
I'm curious if the Coaches will get involved in Welch's recruitment. He sounds like a interesting prospect. He's made some noise this summer on the AAU circuit.
"◆ The offers for Naperville North's Tom Welch have become a little stagnant. And that's been surprising, especially considering the conversations I've had with college coaches over the past two weeks. The 6-7 forward still has double-digit offers to choose from but high-major programs, with the exception of Ole Miss, have not pulled the trigger. There should be more mid-major plus programs involved (Hello, A-10!?!?!). As I've told many college coaches of late, Welch is the player who in three years is playing at a mid-major and this question will essentially be asked: "How did he end up at a mid-major?""
I read on Loyola's board that they seem pretty confident that they have a real shot at landing Welch, and that he'll make his decision fairly quickly before school starts. We'll see.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on July 23, 2018, 03:03:24 PM
I read on Loyola's board that they seem pretty confident that they have a real shot at landing Welch, and that he'll make his decision fairly quickly before school starts. We'll see.
Loyola has the short term big advantage on recruiting for that Final Four appearance. If we go head-to-head with them, they will win the higher % of recruiting battles for now.
https://twitter.com/michaelsobrien/status/1024787008936439808
Henricksen: July's stock boosters, winners and losers
Joe Henricksen
For Sun-Times Media | @joehoopsreport
Aug. 1 5:15 p.m.
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Biggest senior stock riser
◼︎ Tujautae Williams, Orr
The City/Suburban Hoops Report was on a bit of a mission to get this name out there, billing Williams as the "super sleeper" in the senior class heading into July. It was just a matter of getting some college coaching eyes on Williams, who played out the month of July with the Chicago Demons. His upside, athleticism and raw talent would take over from there.
Although the recruitment is still just starting to brew, it's clearly on the rise and will only heat up more.
When asked where is the interest coming from after playing out the month of July with the Chicago Demons, Williams responded with "everywhere."
While that hasn't matriculated into a whole bunch of offers just yet, the word is out on a player with an enormously high ceiling. He was hearing from virtually no one a month ago. In the last couple of weeks Williams has heard from Florida Atlantic, SIUE, Northern Kentucky, Utah State, Portland State, Wright State, Butler, Buffalo, Ole Miss, Valparaiso, Kansas State and Drake.
There is now a plethora of Division I coaching staffs doing their homework on Williams after being so intrigued by the 6-5 guard throughout the month. And there is so much to like from a player with his type of length, athleticism and potential.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h6oYK8XphI
No surprise here but the Canadian recruit Quincy Guerrier trimmed Valpo from his list of schools.
We currently have 1 available scholarship for the class of 2019, barring a transfer or someone going pro early.
https://twitter.com/quincyguerrier/status/1026988743968935938
Quote from: VU2014 on July 23, 2018, 02:32:19 PM
https://www.suntimeshighschoolsports.com/2018/07/23/storylines-notes-ny2las-summer-jam-bonanza/
I'm curious if the Coaches will get involved in Welch's recruitment. He sounds like a interesting prospect. He's made some noise this summer on the AAU circuit.
"◆ The offers for Naperville North's Tom Welch have become a little stagnant. And that's been surprising, especially considering the conversations I've had with college coaches over the past two weeks. The 6-7 forward still has double-digit offers to choose from but high-major programs, with the exception of Ole Miss, have not pulled the trigger. There should be more mid-major plus programs involved (Hello, A-10!?!?!). As I've told many college coaches of late, Welch is the player who in three years is playing at a mid-major and this question will essentially be asked: "How did he end up at a mid-major?""
Welch just committed to Loyola. I did a bigger dive into his game and I'm a fan. Would have loved to see the our coaches pursue him in recruitment.
https://twitter.com/michaelsobrien/status/1027688707145519104
Quote from: VU2014 on August 09, 2018, 05:56:32 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on July 23, 2018, 02:32:19 PM
https://www.suntimeshighschoolsports.com/2018/07/23/storylines-notes-ny2las-summer-jam-bonanza/
I'm curious if the Coaches will get involved in Welch's recruitment. He sounds like a interesting prospect. He's made some noise this summer on the AAU circuit.
"◆ The offers for Naperville North's Tom Welch have become a little stagnant. And that's been surprising, especially considering the conversations I've had with college coaches over the past two weeks. The 6-7 forward still has double-digit offers to choose from but high-major programs, with the exception of Ole Miss, have not pulled the trigger. There should be more mid-major plus programs involved (Hello, A-10!?!?!). As I've told many college coaches of late, Welch is the player who in three years is playing at a mid-major and this question will essentially be asked: "How did he end up at a mid-major?""
Welch just committed to Loyola. I did a bigger dive into his game and I'm a fan. Would have loved to see the our coaches pursue him in recruitment.
https://twitter.com/michaelsobrien/status/1027688707145519104
Time will tell, his high lights don't make him appear like a huge "get". But his length and ability to shoot are certainly there if highlight videos are any indication. That type of player is needed on our current roster, so count me envious.
A very important visit next week
https://twitter.com/scottybscout/status/1030245765027979264
Please... Please... Please... This would be a huge get, and would allow us to really make serious inroads in the 2020 class, when we need to fill a ton of spots, while still monitoring our top 2019 targets and the transfer market in case any current players leave. I don't think it's an understatement to say that Chris Payton is key to the mid and long-term future of the program. Not only for his potential on-court impact but also for what getting him signed would allow our staff to do on the recruiting trail. I think it has to be a good sign that we are first so soon after he met our new staff at the camp we hosted. I think his interest and the connection the staff has formed with him are real and we have a great shot to get him. We really need to land his commitment.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on August 16, 2018, 09:18:41 PMPlease... Please... Please... This would be a huge get, and would allow us to really make serious inroads in the 2020 class, when we need to fill a ton of spots, while still monitoring our top 2019 targets and the transfer market in case any current players leave. I don't think it's an understatement to say that Chris Payton is key to the mid and long-term future of the program. We really need to land his commitment.
I'd really like to see him at Valpo too. If you look at his tape you can see he can play and in his interviews he seems very smart just by the way he articulates his answers.
I think the need for 2019 is a position player other than guard.
No kidding. The guard position's good for the next 2-3 years I think.
Quote from: VUBBFan on August 16, 2018, 09:40:05 PM
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on August 16, 2018, 09:18:41 PMPlease... Please... Please... This would be a huge get, and would allow us to really make serious inroads in the 2020 class, when we need to fill a ton of spots, while still monitoring our top 2019 targets and the transfer market in case any current players leave. I don't think it's an understatement to say that Chris Payton is key to the mid and long-term future of the program. We really need to land his commitment.
I'd really like to see him at Valpo too. If you look at his tape you can see he can play and in his interviews he seems very smart just by the way he articulates his answers.
I think the need for 2019 is a position player other than guard.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on August 16, 2018, 10:11:53 PM
No kidding. The guard position's good for the next 2-3 years I think.
What's interesting about Payton's game is his versatility and athleticism. He's 6'6" - 6'7" and could be a swing guy. I think he's going to thrive at good mid-major where he'll get the opportunity play and develop. He just seems like a Valpo recruit from a culture and recruiting standpoint (a guy who has a ton of potential but seems to be getting overlooked by many high majors). I think he'd thrive at Valpo. He'd get to be on that potential very strong 2019-20 team as freshman and then as sophomore his role would probably significantly increase.
and I think that 2020-2021 team could be pretty good too. It'll certainly have pieces.
Quote from: VU2014 on August 16, 2018, 10:28:10 PM
What's interesting about Payton's game is his versatility and athleticism. He's 6'6" - 6'7" and could be a swing guy. I think he's going to thrive at good mid-major where he'll get the opportunity play and develop. He just seems like a Valpo recruit from a culture and recruiting standpoint (a guy who has a ton of potential but seems to be getting overlooked by many high majors). I think he'd thrive at Valpo. He'd get to be on that potential very strong 2019-20 team as freshman and then as sophomore his role would probably significantly increase.
He's got solid hops and is pretty smooth offensively. My only concern with him is his footspeed defensively. He'll also need to continue to work and improve his outside shooting and ball handling if he is going to be a swing guy at the college level. Would be a good get for Valpo, as the competition for him is literally teams in the MVC. Seems like a pretty lengthy gap in between his visits, so I'd think Lottich and Company will want to keep him from going to the SIU visit.
Quote from: IrishDawg on August 17, 2018, 06:31:52 AM
Quote from: VU2014 on August 16, 2018, 10:28:10 PM
What's interesting about Payton's game is his versatility and athleticism. He's 6'6" - 6'7" and could be a swing guy. I think he's going to thrive at good mid-major where he'll get the opportunity play and develop. He just seems like a Valpo recruit from a culture and recruiting standpoint (a guy who has a ton of potential but seems to be getting overlooked by many high majors). I think he'd thrive at Valpo. He'd get to be on that potential very strong 2019-20 team as freshman and then as sophomore his role would probably significantly increase.
He's got solid hops and is pretty smooth offensively. My only concern with him is his footspeed defensively. He'll also need to continue to work and improve his outside shooting and ball handling if he is going to be a swing guy at the college level. Would be a good get for Valpo, as the competition for him is literally teams in the MVC. Seems like a pretty lengthy gap in between his visits, so I'd think Lottich and Company will want to keep him from going to the SIU visit.
Pretty much agree with your assessment. Not much video on him shooting from the outside so it is likely that he will need to work on his perimeter game and ball handling. Hard to tell if it is foot-speed on defense or if he just hasn't been well coached on positioning. Likes to block from behind a lot, sometimes good jumpers get lazy until they have to play better competition and other players catchup. Most impressed with just how effortlessly he seems to play.
Quote from: IrishDawg on August 17, 2018, 06:31:52 AM
Quote from: VU2014 on August 16, 2018, 10:28:10 PM
What's interesting about Payton's game is his versatility and athleticism. He's 6'6" - 6'7" and could be a swing guy. I think he's going to thrive at good mid-major where he'll get the opportunity play and develop. He just seems like a Valpo recruit from a culture and recruiting standpoint (a guy who has a ton of potential but seems to be getting overlooked by many high majors). I think he'd thrive at Valpo. He'd get to be on that potential very strong 2019-20 team as freshman and then as sophomore his role would probably significantly increase.
He's got solid hops and is pretty smooth offensively. My only concern with him is his footspeed defensively. He'll also need to continue to work and improve his outside shooting and ball handling if he is going to be a swing guy at the college level. Would be a good get for Valpo, as the competition for him is literally teams in the MVC. Seems like a pretty lengthy gap in between his visits, so I'd think Lottich and Company will want to keep him from going to the SIU visit.
Agreed.
It's also very strategic timing with him coming in for his visit on Freshman welcome week. Valpo coaches have always been pretty savvy about that type of stuff. I know the coaches really liked Xavier Casteneda (JFL's HS/AAU teammate) last year and they tried to get him on his visit on homecoming weekend but he took his UCF visit before ours and he never made it to VU.
It's different for every kid but if the kid is set on making his commitment in the Fall getting the first visit could be a big deal.
Is there any indication that Payton is looking to commit in the fall?
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on August 17, 2018, 07:29:04 PM
Is there any indication that Payton is looking to commit in the fall?
I can't remember which interview it was but he mentioned he's looking to make his decision in the Fall.
That's a great sign for us!
Training mixtape for Chris Payton. Fingers crossed his visit goes well this weekend.
https://twitter.com/amagylon/status/1030573269064269825
This would be huge is right. Hopefully the visit goes well. I'm sure him and JFL are familiar with each other which will help add another arrow into the quiver of recruiting.
Quote from: VU2014 on August 09, 2018, 05:56:32 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on July 23, 2018, 02:32:19 PM
https://www.suntimeshighschoolsports.com/2018/07/23/storylines-notes-ny2las-summer-jam-bonanza/
I'm curious if the Coaches will get involved in Welch's recruitment. He sounds like a interesting prospect. He's made some noise this summer on the AAU circuit.
"◆ The offers for Naperville North's Tom Welch have become a little stagnant. And that's been surprising, especially considering the conversations I've had with college coaches over the past two weeks. The 6-7 forward still has double-digit offers to choose from but high-major programs, with the exception of Ole Miss, have not pulled the trigger. There should be more mid-major plus programs involved (Hello, A-10!?!?!). As I've told many college coaches of late, Welch is the player who in three years is playing at a mid-major and this question will essentially be asked: "How did he end up at a mid-major?""
Welch just committed to Loyola. I did a bigger dive into his game and I'm a fan. Would have loved to see the our coaches pursue him in recruitment.
https://twitter.com/michaelsobrien/status/1027688707145519104
He's going from being a Naperville North Husky to a Loyola Rambler. And Bob's your uncle.
The newly updated Top 247 Class of 2019 Ranking: https://247sports.com/Season/2019-Basketball/RecruitRankings/?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool
Both Valpo recruits Chris Payton and Alex Hemenway fell out of the "top 247" in the latest update. I wouldn't read too much into it because it's a really a fools errand to thoughtfully rank that many kids from a national perspective, but it's alway fun to take a look at.
Indiana Rankings:
1 Isaiah Stewart La Lumiere School (Rochester, NY)
2 Keion Brooks La Lumiere School (La Porte, IN)
3 Trayce Jackson-Davis Center Grove (Greenwood, IN)
4 Mason Gillis New Castle Chrysler Sch (New Castle, IN)
5 Emanuel Miller La Lumiere School (Canada, CANA)
6 Armaan Franklin Cathedral (Indianapolis, IN)
7 Isaiah Thompson Zionsville (Zionsville, IN)
8 Jakov Kukic La Lumiere School (La Porte, IN)
9 John-Michael Mulloy Carmel (Carmel, IN)
10 Alex Hemenway Castle (Newburgh, IN)
11 Paxson Wojcik La Lumiere School (La Porte, IN)
12 Cobie Barnes Floyd Central (Floyds Knobs, IN)
13 Jared Hankins Lawrence North (Indianapolis, IN)
14 Luke Bumbalough New Castle Chrysler Sch (New Castle, IN)
15 Lucas Kroft North Side (Fort Wayne, IN)
16 Aaron Etherington Hamilton Southeastern (Fishers, IN)
17 Dexter Shouse Lawrence North (Indianapolis, IN)
Illinois Rankings:
1 E.J. Liddell Belleville West (Belleville, IL)
2 Terrence Shannon Lincoln Park (Chicago, IL)
3 Markese Jacobs Uplift (Chicago, IL)
4 DaJuan Gordon Curie Metropolitan (Chicago, IL)
5 Tom Welch Naperville North (Naperville, IL)
6 Marquise Kennedy Brother Rice (Oak Lawn, IL)
7 Chris Payton Bloomington (Bloomington, IL)
8 Terrence Hargrove Jr. East St. Louis (East Saint Louis, IL)
9 Ciaran Brayboy New Trier (Winnetka, IL)
10 Marquise Walker St. Joseph (Westchester, IL)
11 Perry Cowan DePaul College Prep (Chicago, IL)
Wow. Sitting 34 miles from the chapel is a school that has 3 of the top 11 ranked players in Indiana. Don't we have coach living in a tent just off that campus? If not, we should.
The problem there is that most of the top players at La Lumiere pursue and receive P5 offers. Wojcik is an exception but that's what a Final 4 will do for you.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on August 22, 2018, 09:43:29 PM
The problem there is that most of the top players at La Lumiere pursue and receive P5 offers. Wojcik is an exception but that's what a Final 4 will do for you.
Recruiting La Lumiere is apparently all about who the coaching staff is friends with. Loyola has the in side track there. They've landed 2 kids in the last 2 years from that prep school. Porter Moser's assistant coach hire have been savvy when it comes to recruiting doors they open for them.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on August 22, 2018, 09:43:29 PM
The problem there is that most of the top players at La Lumiere pursue and receive P5 offers. Wojcik is an exception but that's what a Final 4 will do for you.
Wojcik wasn't one of those kids. Offers from Columbia, Harvard, San Jose State, Illinois State, DePaul and Loyola by the time he committed in June.
https://twitter.com/Valpo_Hoops/status/1032747694324965376
https://twitter.com/inthegymhoops_/status/1031984046111444992
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0EInqVkv-E&feature=youtu.be
Need to convince him this is the place to be. Would love to hear that he cancels his SIU visit.
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Quote from: M on August 24, 2018, 08:58:37 AM
Need to convince him this is the place to be. Would love to hear that he cancels his SIU visit.
Ok, here's a subtle tiebreaker. Bloomington is 100 miles closer to Valpo than it is to Carbondale. An easier, less time consuming, less costly trip for family and friends to attend home games.
Savings:
Money - 16 games/year x 200 miles/game = 3200 miles/season = 12,800 miles over 4 years = $6800 @ $.535/mi.
Travel Time - 2 Hrs/game
The staff is still going to have to do a good job selling him on the program. If travel were the only concern why not just stick with the hometown Redbirds? I'll say this much though, the fact that he came to the camp here got an offer and scheduled VU as his first visit is a tremendously positive development. I really hope he commits.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on August 24, 2018, 10:31:44 AM
The staff is still going to have to do a good job selling him on the program. If travel were the only concern why not just stick with the hometown Redbirds? I'll say this much though, the fact that he came to the camp here got an offer and scheduled VU as his first visit is a tremendously positive development. I really hope he commits.
I called it a subtle tiebreaker, not "the only concern." lol Obviously, it's 1 minor thing among a ton of considerations, but I will say this. If Illinois State were on his list, don't think they wouldn't be playing up the family time and expense thing for all it's worth. Secondly, driving an extra 200 miles and spending an extra 2-3 hours on the road on a weeknight in the dead of winter after working all day to watch your son play and then having to get up early the next morning to go back to work is more than a minor additional sacrifice or inconvenience.
Hopefully they get a good crowd to make a strong impression. Fingers crossed the weather holds up.
https://twitter.com/CoachLottich/status/1033108164961624065
https://twitter.com/valpoathletics/status/1033092340213264384
Any word on how the Chris Payton visit went?
Brandon Newman is returning to valpo high. His mother is sick. Purdue isn't that far away and I think they are the leaders, but something to keep an eye on.
Quote from: elephtheria47 on August 26, 2018, 05:26:44 PM
Brandon Newman is returning to valpo high. His mother is sick. Purdue isn't that far away and I think they are the leaders, but something to keep an eye on.
I hope his Mom gets well soon. 🙏
https://twitter.com/ballislife_219/status/1033802196599615489?s=20
Quote from: VU2014 on August 26, 2018, 08:01:32 PM
Quote from: elephtheria47 on August 26, 2018, 05:26:44 PM
Brandon Newman is returning to valpo high. His mother is sick. Purdue isn't that far away and I think they are the leaders, but something to keep an eye on.
I hope his Mom gets well soon. 🙏
https://twitter.com/ballislife_219/status/1033802196599615489?s=20
That is so tough on a young man. I hope the family will get through this and that Brandon will be able to cope.
Quote from: VU2014 on August 26, 2018, 10:28:38 AM
Any word on how the Chris Payton visit went?
As of right now it sounds like he's still going to that SIU visit on Sept. 14. Hopefully the visit went well and we made a strong impression. Over the weekend his Meanstreats AAU teammate committed to SIU.
https://twitter.com/Valpo_Hoops/status/1034618012450676737
https://twitter.com/chilandprephoop/status/1032806443785900032
Quote from: VU2014 on August 28, 2018, 08:47:25 PM
https://twitter.com/Valpo_Hoops/status/1034618012450676737
https://twitter.com/chilandprephoop/status/1032806443785900032
It will be great adding Top 5 recruits from IL in back to back years.
Just saw this. I don't know who Sal is or his credibility but he has some legit people following his account. He also has the inside scoop on some of the top recruits in the state of Illinois.
It's encouraging to hear that we may be in his top 2. It's a little unusual to decommit from ISUr and then come back to them, but it was unusual for him to initially verbally commit so early in the process. Bloomington is his hometown so that may or may not be an advantage or disadvantage for them. He mentioned that he thinks he'll end up committing to a school that hasn't been offered yet. Nevada? They were rumored to be in the mix because they hired a coach that is from the Midwest and has a personal relationship with him.
https://twitter.com/salspeaksball/status/1035350700530778114
Nevada wouldn't appreciate him the way Valpo would. He'd be cast aside for the next great transfer. I really hope we get him.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on August 31, 2018, 09:46:43 AM
Nevada wouldn't appreciate him the way Valpo would. He'd be cast aside for the next great transfer. I really hope we get him.
I just took a look at ISUr's roster and they'd have 4 PFs by the time he's a freshman and 1 SF (Matt Chastain which would be a JR). For us we'd have 1 PF (Mileek would be a JR) and 2 SF (two senior SF in Fazekas and Kiser). I think we're a better fit in terms of roster construction for him. VC lists Chris Payton as a SF and every other site lists him as a PF. I kind of view him as a tweener. If playing time is a big concern for him I'd think his FR year he'd get some minutes but his Sophomore year he'd get the opportunity probably play some very significant minutes.
Someone is going to get a steal in this kid. If he was a couple inches taller he'd have a handful of D1 offers already. According to VC his only offer is from Flagler which is coached by former VU special assistant Chad Warner. He plays for Marquette Catholic. He'd be an ideal candidate for a prefer walk-on like John Kiser, but I think someone is going to give him a full scholarship to play hoops.
https://twitter.com/bopat10/status/1035259236224253952
Chris Payton just received a offer from Murray State. I think the MVC is MUCH more attractive league than the OVC but you never know what makes a kid pick one school over another. Murray beat us out for a JUCO PF recruit Mike Davis in the spring.
Quote from: VU2014 on August 31, 2018, 07:49:16 PM
Chris Payton just received a offer from Murray State. I think the MVC is MUCH more attractive league than the OVC but you never know what makes a kid pick one school over another. Murray beat us out for a JUCO PF recruit Mike Davis in the spring.
Sure hope we have other options for a crucial position (Forward).
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on August 31, 2018, 08:19:05 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on August 31, 2018, 07:49:16 PM
Chris Payton just received a offer from Murray State. I think the MVC is MUCH more attractive league than the OVC but you never know what makes a kid pick one school over another. Murray beat us out for a JUCO PF recruit Mike Davis in the spring.
Sure hope we have other options for a crucial position (Forward).
I'm sure the Coaching Staffs have a plan B and C. I think Chris Payton is the only remaining realistic recruit we have a shot of landing. Maybe we go red-shirt transfer or maybe there is a unknown HS kidding we could land late in the process. From his previous interviews he mention he'd like to commit sometime in the Fall. I wouldn't want to roll that scholarship into the next class to make that 2020 class even larger.
Fingers crossed for an Akot transfer if we can't land Payton.
Quote from: VU2014 on August 31, 2018, 07:49:16 PMChris Payton just received a offer from Murray State. I think the MVC is MUCH more attractive league than the OVC but you never know what makes a kid pick one school over another. Murray beat us out for a JUCO PF recruit Mike Davis in the spring.
Still think Murray State is going to be in the MVC sooner rather than later.
Quote from: VU2014 on August 31, 2018, 07:49:16 PM
Chris Payton just received a offer from Murray State. I think the MVC is MUCH more attractive league than the OVC but you never know what makes a kid pick one school over another. Murray beat us out for a JUCO PF recruit Mike Davis in the spring.
Payton becomes Murray State's 23rd 2019 offer, of which 12 players are between 6-6 and 6-8.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on September 01, 2018, 12:02:42 AM
Quote from: VU2014 on August 31, 2018, 07:49:16 PMChris Payton just received a offer from Murray State. I think the MVC is MUCH more attractive league than the OVC but you never know what makes a kid pick one school over another. Murray beat us out for a JUCO PF recruit Mike Davis in the spring.
Still think Murray State is going to be in the MVC sooner rather than later.
He's only going to be in school for 4 years. They might not get an invite for years, if ever. The MVC commish really tried to tamp down expansion talk back during Arch Madness. It doesn't sound like it will happen in the near term future, unless P5 expansion forces them to act and someone like SLU falls in their lap. I doubt that would be part of Murray's recruiting pitch.
If he plays in the MVC his family will be able to travel to most of his college games.
New Offer. 6'10" PF from Wisc.
https://twitter.com/dskogman42/status/1035984193719816192
Quote from: VUBBFan on September 01, 2018, 08:42:30 PM
New Offer. 6'10" PF from Wisc.
https://twitter.com/dskogman42/status/1035984193719816192
Nice find!
Could he be plan B? Or plan A? Or whoever commits first gets that last scholarship.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF95G7iePhk
Quote from: VU2014 on August 31, 2018, 07:49:16 PM
Chris Payton just received a offer from Murray State. I think the MVC is MUCH more attractive league than the OVC but you never know what makes a kid pick one school over another. Murray beat us out for a JUCO PF recruit Mike Davis in the spring.
As a league, certainly, but he's picking a school which carries a lot of factors (location, academics, facilities, team's tradition, style of play, playing time, etc.). An offer doesn't necessarily mean there's mutual interest, but the Racers have a good program and a nice arena (attendance isn't great). The MVC would be better in terms of family travel, but some kids like to get out of their immediate neighborhood, and it's not like the OVC's footprint is on one of the coasts.
If he sets up a visit with them, then yeah, get more worried, but at this point it's just an offer from a school with a serious amount of PT available at the wing forward.
Unsurprisingly Valpo is out... I'd put my money on Purdue.
https://twitter.com/ballislife_219/status/1036320861597429760
It sounds like Skogman took an unofficial visit.
https://twitter.com/WisBBYearbook/status/1036412530359451648
Some more info on David Skogman. He's a fast riser and has catapulted himself into a Top 3 prospect from the Wisconsin Class of 2019. It sounds like he had all the tools but really put it together this summer. Prep hoops Wisconsin considers him one of the highest upside mid-major caliber prospects in the nation.
I'd be interested if we could play him at C eventually. The twin towers only hav 2 more seasons of eligibility and maybe he could be the big man of the future. He moves really well for a guy with his length and he has some nice bounce.
Position: PF
Height: 6-10
Weight: 200
Hometown: Waukesha, WI
High School: Waukesha West High School
Offers: Valpo, Elon Canisius, South Dakota, Sam Houston, Rice, Air Force, LIU Brooklyn, Green Bay, Furman, Lafayette, American, Bucknell, Milwaukee
Quote from: VUBBFan on September 01, 2018, 08:42:30 PM
https://twitter.com/dskogman42/status/1035984193719816192
https://www.prephoops.com/2018/08/five-teams-who-will-make-a-big-jump-in-2018-19-waukesha-west/
Leading the charge is senior forward David Skogman. The 6-foot-10 big man has racked up Division 1 offers over the summer, going from a raw, high-upside talent, to one of the top 3-4 prospects in the state of Wisconsin.
"He's gotten better every year," LaValle said. "It's really a testament to putting in the time, energy, effort, and commitment to the sport.
"He's such a mismatch for defenses — he's a matchup nightmare. He can play down in the post, pass out of the post, he can step out and shoot the 3-pointer from 23-feet if he has to. We can utilize him in ball screens and make defenses make decisions.
"He's going to be a huge asset for us this year and I think he's very hungry. I think he's going to have an amazing year for us."
https://www.prephoops.com/2018/07/las-vegas-day-2-standouts/
David Skogman – 2019 – F/C – Ray Allen Select
Schools continues to fall in love with Skogman, who added two more Division 1 offers on Thursday. The 6-foot-10 center showed some flashes against Grand Rapids Storm. An athletic, bouncy forward, Skogman has great springs. He can get up off the floor and run in transition like a deer. The back-to-the-basket game is and will be a work in progress at the next level, but Skogman shot it well from 3-point range and continues to improve his ball handling on the perimeter. One of the highest-upside prospects at the mid-major level nationally, Skogman should continues to see offers come his way this week.
http://www.ny2lasports.com/article_one.aspx?articleid=4016
(5) David Skogman – 2019 – F/C – Waukesha West (WI)
Keep this name in mind because he's in line potentially for a huge 8-12 months on the hardwood. Equipped with a plus length 6-10 frame and an ability to face up and stroke the jumper, Skogman is a skilled big man who's just starting to find his groove on the hardwood. He's a legitimate mid-major Division 1 prospect at worst long term and his best years lie ahead. As his physical tools and skill package continues to develop look for him to continue to take big strides forward. Best kept secret in the class in the state of Wisconsin right now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zR1Pk9n_s8s
Quote from: VU2014 on September 02, 2018, 07:51:06 PM
It sounds like Skogman took an unofficial visit.
https://twitter.com/WisBBYearbook/status/1036412530359451648
Valpo is out of Alex Hemenway's recruitment. The only 2 public current outstanding offers we know of are Chris Payton and David Skogman.
https://twitter.com/EngGordon/status/1036750985501319168
Quote from: VU2014 on September 03, 2018, 06:05:11 PM
Valpo is out of Alex Hemenway's recruitment. The only 2 public current outstanding offers we know of are Chris Payton and David Skogman.
https://twitter.com/EngGordon/status/1036750985501319168
I think many of us were surprised he was still considering VU before this announcement. His trail went cold long ago, no?
Thanks for sharing.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on September 03, 2018, 06:20:34 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on September 03, 2018, 06:05:11 PM
Valpo is out of Alex Hemenway's recruitment. The only 2 public current outstanding offers we know of are Chris Payton and David Skogman.
https://twitter.com/EngGordon/status/1036750985501319168
I think many of us were surprised he was still considering VU before this announcement. His trail went cold long ago, no?
Thanks for sharing.
Yeah it sounds like we've been out for a while, but it's official now. Once Eron Gordon and Nick Robinson committed it probably sealed the deal. Losing Coach Ragland (primary recruiter) was probably another factor.
Honestly, if we currently have only one scholarship opening for 2019, I'd rather it be used for a forward, preferably a power forward.
Quote from: valpopal on September 03, 2018, 07:28:05 PM
Honestly, if we currently have only one scholarship opening for 2019, I'd rather it be used for a forward, preferably a power forward.
I do wonder some times about the value of being in The Valley versus, say, the Horizon. I understand the interest in playing at a high level but Belmont? The reason may well be the ability to get to the dance via the easier path in the OVC. But we have lost out to Belmont in the past. Just wondering... ???
Quote from: valpopal on September 03, 2018, 07:28:05 PM
Honestly, if we currently have only one scholarship opening for 2019, I'd rather it be used for a forward, preferably a power forward.
:thumbsup: Someone that can rebound!!!
Quote from: vu72 on September 03, 2018, 07:32:42 PM
Quote from: valpopal on September 03, 2018, 07:28:05 PM
Honestly, if we currently have only one scholarship opening for 2019, I'd rather it be used for a forward, preferably a power forward.
I do wonder some times about the value of being in The Valley versus, say, the Horizon. I understand the interest in playing at a high level but Belmont? The reason may well be the ability to get to the dance via the easier path in the OVC. But we have lost out to Belmont in the past. Just wondering... ???
Rick Byrd is a HOF coach and I think I remember hearing that their staff has a Evansville area recruiting tie.
Quote from: VU2014 on September 03, 2018, 08:06:26 PM
Rick Byrd is a HOF coach and I think I remember hearing that their staff has a Evansville area recruiting tie.
Not sure which coach you're talking about, but Belmont has done a great job recently in recruiting Indiana kids.
Quote from: valpopal on September 03, 2018, 07:28:05 PM
Honestly, if we currently have only one scholarship opening for 2019, I'd rather it be used for a forward, preferably a power forward.
I wish we had two scholarships available, because both players (Payton/Skogman) could play together. Maybe another scholarship will open up by the end of this school year but both will be long committed by then. Both guys sound like they'll be Fall commits.
Quote from: vu72 on September 03, 2018, 07:32:42 PM
Quote from: valpopal on September 03, 2018, 07:28:05 PM
Honestly, if we currently have only one scholarship opening for 2019, I'd rather it be used for a forward, preferably a power forward.
I do wonder some times about the value of being in The Valley versus, say, the Horizon. I understand the interest in playing at a high level but Belmont? The reason may well be the ability to get to the dance via the easier path in the OVC. But we have lost out to Belmont in the past. Just wondering... ???
Just looked at Belmont's website. The first thing I noticed was a home page banner headline that this is their 17th consecutive year of record enrollments. This has to be unheard of anywhere else in traditional university settings. I also see they don't distance themselves from their Christian heritage; in fact, they strongly embrace an Evangelical Christian campus culture. Even more impressive, they have fewer than 100 international students, meaning they have grown organically through hard work in the trenches while staying true to their conservative Christian values, rather than buy into the sweet allure of the foreign student cash cow enrollment quick fix.
Now if only their coach and athletic department had the stones to join the MVC.
Quote from: wh on September 04, 2018, 12:19:48 PM
Quote from: vu72 on September 03, 2018, 07:32:42 PM
Quote from: valpopal on September 03, 2018, 07:28:05 PM
Honestly, if we currently have only one scholarship opening for 2019, I'd rather it be used for a forward, preferably a power forward.
I do wonder some times about the value of being in The Valley versus, say, the Horizon. I understand the interest in playing at a high level but Belmont? The reason may well be the ability to get to the dance via the easier path in the OVC. But we have lost out to Belmont in the past. Just wondering... ???
Just looked at Belmont's website. The first thing I noticed was a home page banner headline that this is their 17th consecutive year of record enrollments. This has to be unheard of anywhere else in traditional university settings. I also see they don't distance themselves from their Christian heritage; in fact, they strongly embrace an Evangelical Christian campus culture. Even more impressive, they have fewer than 100 international students, meaning they have grown organically through hard work in the trenches while staying true to their conservative Christian values, rather than buy into the sweet allure of the foreign student cash cow enrollment quick fix.
Plus it is in Nashville with its great bar scene! ;)
Quote from: vu72 on September 04, 2018, 02:56:23 PM
Quote from: wh on September 04, 2018, 12:19:48 PM
Quote from: vu72 on September 03, 2018, 07:32:42 PM
Quote from: valpopal on September 03, 2018, 07:28:05 PM
Honestly, if we currently have only one scholarship opening for 2019, I'd rather it be used for a forward, preferably a power forward.
I do wonder some times about the value of being in The Valley versus, say, the Horizon. I understand the interest in playing at a high level but Belmont? The reason may well be the ability to get to the dance via the easier path in the OVC. But we have lost out to Belmont in the past. Just wondering... ???
Just looked at Belmont's website. The first thing I noticed was a home page banner headline that this is their 17th consecutive year of record enrollments. This has to be unheard of anywhere else in traditional university settings. I also see they don't distance themselves from their Christian heritage; in fact, they strongly embrace an Evangelical Christian campus culture. Even more impressive, they have fewer than 100 international students, meaning they have grown organically through hard work in the trenches while staying true to their conservative Christian values, rather than buy into the sweet allure of the foreign student cash cow enrollment quick fix.
Plus it is in Nashville with its great bar scene! ;)
Belmont's attendance baffles me. They've really struggled to garner a respectable home attendance for any game not played against Vandy. For a program with their consistent amount off success it would gain stronger support from the community. I understand Nashville is a Vandy town but still.
Quote from: VU2014 on September 04, 2018, 03:09:23 PM
Quote from: vu72 on September 04, 2018, 02:56:23 PM
Quote from: wh on September 04, 2018, 12:19:48 PM
Quote from: vu72 on September 03, 2018, 07:32:42 PM
Quote from: valpopal on September 03, 2018, 07:28:05 PM
Honestly, if we currently have only one scholarship opening for 2019, I'd rather it be used for a forward, preferably a power forward.
I do wonder some times about the value of being in The Valley versus, say, the Horizon. I understand the interest in playing at a high level but Belmont? The reason may well be the ability to get to the dance via the easier path in the OVC. But we have lost out to Belmont in the past. Just wondering... ???
Just looked at Belmont's website. The first thing I noticed was a home page banner headline that this is their 17th consecutive year of record enrollments. This has to be unheard of anywhere else in traditional university settings. I also see they don't distance themselves from their Christian heritage; in fact, they strongly embrace an Evangelical Christian campus culture. Even more impressive, they have fewer than 100 international students, meaning they have grown organically through hard work in the trenches while staying true to their conservative Christian values, rather than buy into the sweet allure of the foreign student cash cow enrollment quick fix.
Plus it is in Nashville with its great bar scene! ;)
Belmont's attendance baffles me. They've really struggled to garner a respectable home attendance for any game not played against Vandy. For a program with their consistent amount off success it would gain stronger support from the community. I understand Nashville is a Vandy town but still.
Bizarre for sure, especially considering their location in the Bible Belt. Can you imagine what Valpo's home attendance might be with 9000 students located in a metropolitan area the size of Nashville?
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that they play a bunch of nondescript\directional schools in conference play ( no disrespect intended to Murray State)? You'd have to think that their attendance numbers would grow with more established brands more befitting of their own program's stature coming in to the Curb, especially in a sports town like Nashville.
Quote from: VU2014 on September 04, 2018, 03:09:23 PM
Quote from: vu72 on September 04, 2018, 02:56:23 PM
Quote from: wh on September 04, 2018, 12:19:48 PM
Quote from: vu72 on September 03, 2018, 07:32:42 PM
Quote from: valpopal on September 03, 2018, 07:28:05 PM
Honestly, if we currently have only one scholarship opening for 2019, I'd rather it be used for a forward, preferably a power forward.
I do wonder some times about the value of being in The Valley versus, say, the Horizon. I understand the interest in playing at a high level but Belmont? The reason may well be the ability to get to the dance via the easier path in the OVC. But we have lost out to Belmont in the past. Just wondering... ???
Just looked at Belmont's website. The first thing I noticed was a home page banner headline that this is their 17th consecutive year of record enrollments. This has to be unheard of anywhere else in traditional university settings. I also see they don't distance themselves from their Christian heritage; in fact, they strongly embrace an Evangelical Christian campus culture. Even more impressive, they have fewer than 100 international students, meaning they have grown organically through hard work in the trenches while staying true to their conservative Christian values, rather than buy into the sweet allure of the foreign student cash cow enrollment quick fix.
Plus it is in Nashville with its great bar scene! ;)
Belmont's attendance baffles me. They've really struggled to garner a respectable home attendance for any game not played against Vandy. For a program with their consistent amount off success it would gain stronger support from the community. I understand Nashville is a Vandy town but still.
If you look at their notable alumni it's a strong list of musicians (thinking their proximity to country music royalty is a big draw). And then there is the Nashville metropolitan area which has grown by 45% since the year 2000.
They are obviously doing other things right, because continued growth despite economy is impressive. But consider that Nashville is a young and vibrant city compared to many others and there you have it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belmont_University (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belmont_University)
Quote from: vu72 on September 04, 2018, 02:56:23 PM
Quote from: wh on September 04, 2018, 12:19:48 PM
Quote from: vu72 on September 03, 2018, 07:32:42 PM
Quote from: valpopal on September 03, 2018, 07:28:05 PM
Honestly, if we currently have only one scholarship opening for 2019, I'd rather it be used for a forward, preferably a power forward.
I do wonder some times about the value of being in The Valley versus, say, the Horizon. I understand the interest in playing at a high level but Belmont? The reason may well be the ability to get to the dance via the easier path in the OVC. But we have lost out to Belmont in the past. Just wondering... ???
Just looked at Belmont's website. The first thing I noticed was a home page banner headline that this is their 17th consecutive year of record enrollments. This has to be unheard of anywhere else in traditional university settings. I also see they don't distance themselves from their Christian heritage; in fact, they strongly embrace an Evangelical Christian campus culture. Even more impressive, they have fewer than 100 international students, meaning they have grown organically through hard work in the trenches while staying true to their conservative Christian values, rather than buy into the sweet allure of the foreign student cash cow enrollment quick fix.
Plus it is in Nashville with its great bar scene! ;)
Quote from: VU2014 on September 04, 2018, 03:09:23 PM
Quote from: vu72 on September 04, 2018, 02:56:23 PM
Quote from: wh on September 04, 2018, 12:19:48 PM
Quote from: vu72 on September 03, 2018, 07:32:42 PM
Quote from: valpopal on September 03, 2018, 07:28:05 PM
Honestly, if we currently have only one scholarship opening for 2019, I'd rather it be used for a forward, preferably a power forward.
I do wonder some times about the value of being in The Valley versus, say, the Horizon. I understand the interest in playing at a high level but Belmont? The reason may well be the ability to get to the dance via the easier path in the OVC. But we have lost out to Belmont in the past. Just wondering... ???
Just looked at Belmont's website. The first thing I noticed was a home page banner headline that this is their 17th consecutive year of record enrollments. This has to be unheard of anywhere else in traditional university settings. I also see they don't distance themselves from their Christian heritage; in fact, they strongly embrace an Evangelical Christian campus culture. Even more impressive, they have fewer than 100 international students, meaning they have grown organically through hard work in the trenches while staying true to their conservative Christian values, rather than buy into the sweet allure of the foreign student cash cow enrollment quick fix.
Plus it is in Nashville with its great bar scene! ;)
Belmont's attendance baffles me. They've really struggled to garner a respectable home attendance for any game not played against Vandy. For a program with their consistent amount off success it would gain stronger support from the community. I understand Nashville is a Vandy town but still.
If you think Belmont has an attendance problem, you should see Lipscomb, also D1 and also located in Nashville. They hosted Morehead State for a game last year that drew 561 but did draw 4161 when they hosted Belmont
Quote from: wh on September 04, 2018, 03:22:21 PM
Bizarre for sure, especially considering their location in the Bible Belt. Can you imagine what Valpo's home attendance might be with 9000 students located in a metropolitan area the size of Nashville?
Better yet, imagine what Valpo's home attendance might be with 11,000 undergrads, a team coming off a Final Four and located in a metropolitan area the size of Chicago? (I'm looking at you, Loyola! :o )
Quote from: EddieCabot on September 04, 2018, 05:07:54 PM
Quote from: wh on September 04, 2018, 03:22:21 PM
Bizarre for sure, especially considering their location in the Bible Belt. Can you imagine what Valpo's home attendance might be with 9000 students located in a metropolitan area the size of Nashville?
Better yet, imagine what Valpo's home attendance might be with 11,000 undergrads, a team coming off a Final Four and located in a metropolitan area the size of Chicago? (I'm looking at you, Loyola! :o )
They could be the most undeserving fan base of a Final Four team in NCAA history.
Quote from: wh on September 04, 2018, 11:43:42 PM
Quote from: EddieCabot on September 04, 2018, 05:07:54 PM
Quote from: wh on September 04, 2018, 03:22:21 PM
Bizarre for sure, especially considering their location in the Bible Belt. Can you imagine what Valpo's home attendance might be with 9000 students located in a metropolitan area the size of Nashville?
Better yet, imagine what Valpo's home attendance might be with 11,000 undergrads, a team coming off a Final Four and located in a metropolitan area the size of Chicago? (I'm looking at you, Loyola! :o )
They could be the most undeserving fan base of a Final Four team in NCAA history.
A little harsh. I'm guessing their fan support will grow after that last run and all the free advertising that came along with it. Need to give them credit for their student attendance last year. It was strong all year. They changed the student body culture of attending basketball games.
Yes, they bought in before the results were tangible or even within view. In contrast, our student attendance was awful despite a tremendous history of recent success and a conference move that greatly enhances the overall quality of our schedule. We can debate the reasons and causes for this but the fact remains that those students at Loyola deserve everything good they got, are getting, and will get. The city of Chicago may have been late to the party but the students sure weren't. If we want to recapture our student culture it may be instructive and beneficial to study what they did in turning theirs around.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on September 05, 2018, 07:12:38 AM
Yes, they bought in before the results were tangible or even within view. In contrast, our student attendance was awful despite a tremendous history of recent success and a conference move that greatly enhances the overall quality of our schedule. We can debate the reasons and causes for this but the fact remains that those students at Loyola deserve everything good they got, are getting, and will get. The city of Chicago may have been late to the party but the students sure weren't. If we want to recapture our student culture it may be instructive and beneficial to study what they did in turning theirs around.
Clearly the Athletic Department has stepped up their game with regard to attracting students to athletic events. LOTS of new things going on. It remains to be seen if it will work but there is all kinds of evidence that an increased effort is underway.
Quote from: vu72 on September 05, 2018, 08:37:14 AM
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on September 05, 2018, 07:12:38 AM
Yes, they bought in before the results were tangible or even within view. In contrast, our student attendance was awful despite a tremendous history of recent success and a conference move that greatly enhances the overall quality of our schedule. We can debate the reasons and causes for this but the fact remains that those students at Loyola deserve everything good they got, are getting, and will get. The city of Chicago may have been late to the party but the students sure weren't. If we want to recapture our student culture it may be instructive and beneficial to study what they did in turning theirs around.
Clearly the Athletic Department has stepped up their game with regard to attracting students to athletic events. LOTS of new things going on. It remains to be seen if it will work but there is all kinds of evidence that an increased effort is underway.
Admittedly I don't care about this topic as much as I should, and yes it looks bad not having the student section at least 3/4 full. But has the "student" part been a downward trend OR did it just fall of a cliff last year? Some of us on this forum are season ticket holders and can speak to this question please.
Trying to redirect the student attendance conversation to this thread: http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=3075.225
Quote from: vu72 on September 04, 2018, 04:21:43 PMIf you think Belmont has an attendance problem, you should see Lipscomb, also D1 and also located in Nashville. They hosted Morehead State for a game last year that drew 561 but did draw 4161 when they hosted Belmont
Given that Vandy, Belmont and Tenn State are also in Nashville, Lipscomb is an after thought after an after thought as far as interest and coverage.
Quote from: VU2014 on September 04, 2018, 03:09:23 PMBelmont's attendance baffles me. They've really struggled to garner a respectable home attendance for any game not played against Vandy. For a program with their consistent amount off success it would gain stronger support from the community. I understand Nashville is a Vandy town but still.
Reminder: Valpo's attendance comes from many over 65. Belmont is set on a hill. If you think walking flat distances from a parking lot at VU is tough then try walking up a hill on Belmont's south Nashville campus. Notice the slope in each pic of the Belmont campus.
(https://www.usnews.com/img/college-photo_2180.jpg)
(https://www.usnews.com/img/college-photo_2186.jpg)
(https://www.usnews.com/img/college-photo_2175.jpg)
Quote from: VU2014 on September 04, 2018, 03:09:23 PM
Quote from: vu72 on September 04, 2018, 02:56:23 PM
Quote from: wh on September 04, 2018, 12:19:48 PM
Quote from: vu72 on September 03, 2018, 07:32:42 PM
Quote from: valpopal on September 03, 2018, 07:28:05 PM
Honestly, if we currently have only one scholarship opening for 2019, I'd rather it be used for a forward, preferably a power forward.
I do wonder some times about the value of being in The Valley versus, say, the Horizon. I understand the interest in playing at a high level but Belmont? The reason may well be the ability to get to the dance via the easier path in the OVC. But we have lost out to Belmont in the past. Just wondering... ???
Just looked at Belmont's website. The first thing I noticed was a home page banner headline that this is their 17th consecutive year of record enrollments. This has to be unheard of anywhere else in traditional university settings. I also see they don't distance themselves from their Christian heritage; in fact, they strongly embrace an Evangelical Christian campus culture. Even more impressive, they have fewer than 100 international students, meaning they have grown organically through hard work in the trenches while staying true to their conservative Christian values, rather than buy into the sweet allure of the foreign student cash cow enrollment quick fix.
Plus it is in Nashville with its great bar scene! ;)
Belmont's attendance baffles me. They've really struggled to garner a respectable home attendance for any game not played against Vandy. For a program with their consistent amount off success it would gain stronger support from the community. I understand Nashville is a Vandy town but still.
Quote from: bbtds on September 07, 2018, 01:55:32 PMBelmont is set on a hill. If you think walking flat distances from a parking lot at VU is tough then try walking up a hill on Belmont's south Nashville campus. Notice the slope in each pic of the Belmont campus.
Trust me, I live here. A 3 miles walk can be very tiring given half of it is up a very steep slope! I'm not in Indiana any longer!
Sounds like a great excuse not to attend a game???
Interesting. I thought we should have made a strong push to land Hemenway, especially when Newman wasn't a realistic option at VU. I think this kid is going to be a absolute stud and would be a future all-MVC type player. I think he still ends up at Clemson because of the close family connection to the HC. It would be a great get for Bradley.
https://twitter.com/patmhickey/status/1038485775401279488
Looks like we're taking a look at another Canadian recruit.
https://twitter.com/Elias_NPH/status/1040384654220640256
"Explosive would be the first thing that comes to mind when thinking of Jahcobi. The 2019 guard had a great day getting to the rim, making for some easy points from the line. He also showed a smooth form from deep, and managed to set up teammates whenever all of the defensive attention was on him. Grassroots will be a tough out on Sunday, and Jahcobi will be one of the reasons why."
Read more at http://northpolehoops.com/2018/07/22/cnit-14u-17u-top-standouts-from-day-2/#ZpW3WEAg7OF3bCpq.99
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlZ___mQiVg
Quote from: VU2014 on September 13, 2018, 07:26:05 PM
Looks like we're taking a look at another Canadian recruit.
https://twitter.com/Elias_NPH/status/1040384654220640256
"Explosive would be the first thing that comes to mind when thinking of Jahcobi. The 2019 guard had a great day getting to the rim, making for some easy points from the line. He also showed a smooth form from deep, and managed to set up teammates whenever all of the defensive attention was on him. Grassroots will be a tough out on Sunday, and Jahcobi will be one of the reasons why."
Read more at http://northpolehoops.com/2018/07/22/cnit-14u-17u-top-standouts-from-day-2/#ZpW3WEAg7OF3bCpq.99
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlZ___mQiVg
In what world do we need another PG? Maybe he projects at SG...and yet do we need another G in that class?
WHAT ABOUT PLAYERS OVER 6'6" COACH???
Quote from: VU2014 on August 27, 2018, 09:24:25 AM
Quote from: VU2014 on August 26, 2018, 10:28:38 AM
Any word on how the Chris Payton visit went?
As of right now it sounds like he's still going to that SIU visit on Sept. 14. Hopefully the visit went well and we made a strong impression. Over the weekend his Meanstreats AAU teammate committed to SIU.
Wonder if Chris Payton is heading to SIU for an official visit this weekend as was reported earlier? Hope we can land him either way. Hope his Valpo visit went well and he and his family were impressed!
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Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on September 13, 2018, 07:48:54 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on September 13, 2018, 07:26:05 PM
Looks like we're taking a look at another Canadian recruit.
https://twitter.com/Elias_NPH/status/1040384654220640256
"Explosive would be the first thing that comes to mind when thinking of Jahcobi. The 2019 guard had a great day getting to the rim, making for some easy points from the line. He also showed a smooth form from deep, and managed to set up teammates whenever all of the defensive attention was on him. Grassroots will be a tough out on Sunday, and Jahcobi will be one of the reasons why."
Read more at http://northpolehoops.com/2018/07/22/cnit-14u-17u-top-standouts-from-day-2/#ZpW3WEAg7OF3bCpq.99
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlZ___mQiVg
In what world do we need another PG? Maybe he projects at SG...and yet do we need another G in that class?
WHAT ABOUT PLAYERS OVER 6'6" COACH???
The coaches might see him more as combo guard/SG. This kid appears to be very athletic and not just your typical "floor general" type of PG. But I haven't seen him play so I don't know.
We landed Nick Robinson who is 6'6". Chris Payton and Skogman are both over 6'6". It's a bummer that we only have 1 scholarship available for 2019. Someone may transfer at the end of the season but we'd miss out on the opportunity to recruit a kid out of HS.
Quote from: VU2014 on September 13, 2018, 08:14:04 PM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on September 13, 2018, 07:48:54 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on September 13, 2018, 07:26:05 PM
Looks like we're taking a look at another Canadian recruit.
https://twitter.com/Elias_NPH/status/1040384654220640256
"Explosive would be the first thing that comes to mind when thinking of Jahcobi. The 2019 guard had a great day getting to the rim, making for some easy points from the line. He also showed a smooth form from deep, and managed to set up teammates whenever all of the defensive attention was on him. Grassroots will be a tough out on Sunday, and Jahcobi will be one of the reasons why."
Read more at http://northpolehoops.com/2018/07/22/cnit-14u-17u-top-standouts-from-day-2/#ZpW3WEAg7OF3bCpq.99
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlZ___mQiVg
In what world do we need another PG? Maybe he projects at SG...and yet do we need another G in that class?
WHAT ABOUT PLAYERS OVER 6'6" COACH???
The coaches might see him more as combo guard/SG. This kid appears to be very athletic and not just your typical "floor general" type of PG. But I haven't seen him play so I don't know.
We landed Nick Robinson who is 6'6". Chris Payton and Skogman are both over 6'6". It's a bummer that we only have 1 scholarship available for 2019. Someone may transfer at the end of the season but we'd miss out on the opportunity to recruit a kid out of HS.
We have (4) serviceable bigs of which only (1) is on the roster after next season. We are going to be worse off than last year in the PF/C position and that is scary.
If we don't groom a big with the (1) open scholarship for next year we have problems. Bigs don't come along as fast as guards. In no world can we expect a Krutwig style freshmen year from any PF/C in our 2020/21 class. Just a bit concerned to see us transition so abruptly from decades of dominant bigs at VU.
Maybe this is the coaches throwing in the towel on anything remotely C oriented in the future....
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on September 13, 2018, 08:32:50 PM
We have (4) serviceable bigs of which only (1) is on the roster after next season. We are going to be worse off than last year in the PF/C position and that is scary.
If we don't groom a big with the (1) open scholarship for next year we have problems. Bigs don't come along as fast as guards. In no world can we expect a Krutwig style freshmen year from any PF/C in our 2020/21 class. Just a bit concerned to see us transition so abruptly from decades of dominant bigs at VU.
Maybe this is the coaches throwing in the towel on anything remotely C oriented in the future....
Skogman may be able to play Center. Maybe we won't be going after the traditional low post guys. Valpo coaching staff always seems to be working on bigs that nobody knows about (example: Jay and Marty's commitment surprised us all). I do agree that we shouldn't be waiting for both the twin towers to graduate to find the big men of the future. I'm sure the coaches have a plan. Let's just hope they land their plan a or b options.
When Valpo's been really good, their post players are more than just serviceable, but considering how much the team recruits internationally, it's unlikely that any traditional outlets will have knowledge as to who the next guy they bring in will be.
Quote from: IrishDawg on September 14, 2018, 06:10:21 AM
When Valpo's been really good, their post players are more than just serviceable, but considering how much the team recruits internationally, it's unlikely that any traditional outlets will have knowledge as to who the next guy they bring in will be.
Solid points, but consider that the coach is still actively recruiting 2019 players (Canada PG 6'3" being the latest). So I know it's good practice to continue recruiting until the last signed letter arrives to finish your recruiting class, but maybe it also means our current offers are just not progressing to a point of comfort.
All speculation, but then again isn't that nearly 100% of what is posted on this forum!?!?!
SIU just offered Skogman. They are also in on Chris Payton's recruitment. They have 5 scholarships to fill as opposed to our one.
Skogman's recruitment is blowing up. Slightly reminiscent to AP's recruitment HS senior year. (I'm comparing his skill to AP, just his recruitment) He's on High major's radars but none have pulled the trigger yet but he's getting a ton of love from Mids.
https://twitter.com/WisBBYearbook/status/1040646183545397248
Quote from: VU2014 on September 14, 2018, 02:37:45 PM
SIU just offered Skogman. They are also in on Chris Payton's recruitment. They have 5 scholarships to fill as opposed to our one.
Not to sound nit-picky, but I believe SIU has a 5-player recruiting class, with 4 vacancies remaining to fill.
I expect Valpo to recruit more than one player for the 2019 class. The 2019-2020 roster is going to be so loaded than I expect 1 or 2 players to see the writing on the wall and move elsewhere to find playing time.
They don't really need 2 freshmen coming in next year, so I could see them waiting until the spring, then grabbing some transfers who would sit out in 2019-2020 season and be eligible the following year when plenty of PT will be available. :twocents:
https://twitter.com/aspireacademyky/status/1041484879060451329
Quote from: VU2014 on September 16, 2018, 09:20:39 PM
https://twitter.com/aspireacademyky/status/1041484879060451329
Which one is Holloway?
EDIT: Never mind. I'm going to assume he's the one in the Valpo shirt, which I didn't notice till I tapped on the pic and enlarged it.
Quote from: bbtds on September 17, 2018, 12:53:11 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on September 16, 2018, 09:20:39 PM
https://twitter.com/aspireacademyky/status/1041484879060451329
Which one is Holloway?
EDIT: Never mind. I'm going to assume he's the one in the Valpo shirt, which I didn't notice till I tapped on the pic and enlarged it.
Ha, I did the same thing until I zoomed in. Their website has team roster protected by password. Anyone know who is on their roster that Valpo might be interested in?
How did the Chris Payton visit go over the weekend at SIU? Hoping he makes his decision soon.
Welcome to the forum 707. I haven't heard anything about the visit. His recruitment is been pretty quiet. I'm hoping his visit with VU went. That Sal guy on twitter who is a IL insider said he thought he'd either end VU or ISUr of his current offers, but he thought he'd ultimately end up somewhere else.
Quote from: VU2014 on September 17, 2018, 05:18:31 PM
Welcome to the forum 707. I haven't heard anything about the visit. His recruitment is been pretty quiet. I'm hoping his visit with VU went. That Sal guy on twitter who is a IL insider said he thought he'd either end VU or ISUr of his current offers, but he thought he'd ultimately end up somewhere else.
Skogman went on an unofficial visit to Texas Tech last weekend. As someone said, his recruitment is blowing up. Thinking we better keep offering for 2019...
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on September 17, 2018, 06:31:30 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on September 17, 2018, 05:18:31 PM
Welcome to the forum 707. I haven't heard anything about the visit. His recruitment is been pretty quiet. I'm hoping his visit with VU went. That Sal guy on twitter who is a IL insider said he thought he'd either end VU or ISUr of his current offers, but he thought he'd ultimately end up somewhere else.
Skogman went on an unofficial visit to Texas Tech last weekend. As someone said, his recruitment is blowing up. Thinking we better keep offering for 2019...
Well, seeing that Texas Tech already has a list of 20 recruits and Skogman isn't on it, and seeing that 10 of the 20 are 3- and 4-Star players and Skogman is only a 2, I don't think there is much
of a concern that they'll steal him away anytime soon.
But WH does he and his family know this? That is always my concern. P6 lights are sometimes blinding.
Quote from: wh on September 17, 2018, 06:44:54 PM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on September 17, 2018, 06:31:30 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on September 17, 2018, 05:18:31 PM
Welcome to the forum 707. I haven't heard anything about the visit. His recruitment is been pretty quiet. I'm hoping his visit with VU went. That Sal guy on twitter who is a IL insider said he thought he'd either end VU or ISUr of his current offers, but he thought he'd ultimately end up somewhere else.
Skogman went on an unofficial visit to Texas Tech last weekend. As someone said, his recruitment is blowing up. Thinking we better keep offering for 2019...
Well, seeing that Texas Tech already has a list of 20 recruits and Skogman isn't on it, and seeing that 10 of the 20 are 3- and 4-Star players and Skogman is only a 2, I don't think there is much
of a concern that they'll steal him away anytime soon.
Your point is well taken for those of us that look at the big picture. Just unsure (like mentioned) the lights and adrenaline won't overrun logic.
My observation is that P6 generally wins recruiting battles for the least logical reasons. It's salesmanship at that level, and they tell the sexiest lies backed up by pro level facilities. Facilities, btw, that Valpo should NEVER invest in at that level and scope.
Yup, FG05. Hopefully recruits have not put on rose colored glasses when they go on recruiting trips and they do their homework before and after those trips.
But not having been a recruit who has to choose between being a starter or a bench jockey on a nationally recognized P6 BB team versus being a major contributor in a mid-major program, what motivates a kid like Skogman to gamble he can make it at the highest level (knowing he is not a 4*), versus seriously considering a Valpo where he has a greater chance of breaking out and getting greater recognition?
Good Valpo players have consistently gone on to greater BB things in Europe and the NBA. Why not be a major player with us (with the profile that comes with it) and prolong the dreams as opposed to being a bench player that no one hears about and never having that chance.
If he's a 2019 recruit and they haven't offered him by now with signing day a couple months away considering they just offered 2 JUCO forwards today... I wouldn't worry too much about it.
Skogman was getting a look from BC today.
https://twitter.com/WaukWestHoops/status/1041889301129293829
Not surprised. Let's hope we can get a 2-for-1 like we did while Hummel was at Purdue. Scheduling is a completely different ball game then it was 10 years ago but a guy can hope. I respect Painter more than most P6 coaches.
https://twitter.com/ballislife_219/status/1042584034159800323d
Quote from: VU2014 on September 19, 2018, 08:27:09 PM
Not surprised. Let's hope we can get a 2-for-1 like we did while Hummel was at Purdue. Scheduling is a completely different ball game then it was 10 years ago but a guy can hope. I respect Painter more than most P6 coaches.
https://twitter.com/ballislife_219/status/1042584034159800323d
Good for him, hope he does outstanding.
Skogman just received a offer from Texas Tech.
https://twitter.com/WisBBYearbook/status/1042612187037085696
Pretty much safe to say Skogman won't be headed our way. The coaches would need to have built a strong connection within a very short amount of time for us to even have a chance.
https://twitter.com/WaukWestHoops/status/1044416098618224647
Current Offers for 2019:
-Chris Payton
-David Skogman
2019 PF DAVID SKOGMAN QUIETLY MAKING A LOT OF NOISE NATIONALLY
Antonio Curro — National Recruiting
Editor - NY2LASPORTS.COM
September 18, 2018
...
The talented big was stellar at times this past spring during the NY2LA Basketball Association campaign and that play combined with his continued development thereafter has seen Skogman's recruiting trail pick up substantially and he's quietly become one of the more coveted interior prospects in the 2019 class regionally. UC-Davis, Southern Illinois, Valparaiso, Elon, North Dakota, Canisius, Sam Houston State, Rice, Air Force, UW-Green Bay, LIU-Brooklyn, Furman, Lafayette, American, Bucknell, and UW-Milwaukee currently have offers out to Skogman.
...
http://ny2lasports.com/article_one.aspx?articleid=4200
Lots of MMs and Rice and TT. Many of them throwing out offers like popcorn. There is plenty of time to put a full court press on this kid and show him why he is a great fit and will play a solid role with the Valpo basketball family in the face of different MM cultures and probably a lesser role in the P-6 world.
If he, indeed, is a prime target,never, ever give up till the LTI is signed, sealed and released. And even then if it goes against us, high road! Leave that door wide open.
Quote from: VULB#62 on September 26, 2018, 08:32:27 PM
Lots of MMs and Rice and TT. Many of them throwing out ffers like popcorn. There is plenty of time to put a full court press on this kid and show him why he is a great fit and will play a solid role with Valpo basketball family in the face of different MM cultures and probably a lesser role in the P-6 world.
I'm wondering if he'll be a Fall Commit or Spring commit. I'm guessing he may drag out his recruitment to the spring with all his recent attention the last few months. Chris Payton's recruitment is radio silent right now.
What do you think the silence on Payton's recruitment means? Is he trying to decide or trying to drum up more interest and offers?
As I added to my previous post, never ever give up. I believe we have developed a reputation of recruiting with a sniper rifle, not a shot gun. We develop a smaller pool than most which should say big things to the recruits we chase. It also allows our staff to focus greater attention on a smaller group. Never, ever give up.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on September 26, 2018, 10:37:40 PM
What do you think the silence on Payton's recruitment means? Is he trying to decide or trying to drum up more interest and offers?
I'm not sure. Maybe he's hoping for more interest. Or maybe he's in the process of setting up a visit with Murray State who jumped into his recruitment late in the process. Could be a number of things. I know he was on Nevada's radar (many players are, fwiw). If he's not happy with his current offers he might push his commitment back to spring.
Yeah I remember reading that he wanted to make a quick decision then all of a sudden we hear nothing.
Quote from: VU2014 on September 25, 2018, 08:50:30 AM
Pretty much safe to say Skogman won't be headed our way. The coaches would need to have built a strong connection within a very short amount of time for us to even have a chance.
https://twitter.com/WaukWestHoops/status/1044416098618224647
Current Offers for 2019:
-Chris Payton
-David Skogman
How about Alex Hemenway?
https://www.verbalcommits.com/schools/valparaiso
2★SGAlex Hemenway(6-3 170)Medium
2★SFChris Payton(6-7 205)Medium
2★PFDavid Skogman(6-10 200)Medium
I think the general consensus is that he won't be coming here. If memory serves, coach Ragland was his primary recruiter and he is no longer on staff having departed for Utah State. That, and we really don't have a positional need for him as talented as he is.
Alex Hemenway has eliminated Valpo from his list.
https://twitter.com/EngGordon/status/1036018013009575936
I have a feeling this is really down to Clemson and Belmont. If he picks Belmont it's just another reason why they need to be in the MVC.
Quote from: VUBBFan on September 27, 2018, 03:20:36 AM
Alex Hemenway has eliminated Valpo from his list.
https://twitter.com/EngGordon/status/1036018013009575936
Quote from: VUBBFan on September 27, 2018, 03:20:36 AM
Alex Hemenway has eliminated Valpo from his list.
https://twitter.com/EngGordon/status/1036018013009575936
Ah, I had forgotten that. Thanks.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on September 27, 2018, 08:52:04 AM
I have a feeling this is really down to Clemson and Belmont. If he picks Belmont it's just another reason why they need to be in the MVC.
He could do some serious damage against OVC caliber competition. He is a special shooter and he is a very underrated athlete. I think he ultimately ends up at Clemson but we'll see. Bradley was working him pretty hard in the later stages of his recruitment.
State Fair is a JUCO in Missouri. It's the same school that the local kid and IU transfer was planning on attending before he landed at MSU last minute.
It could be a sign that things may be looking grim with our 2 HS offers or the coaches could be hedging their bet. Hopefully we're still in play for Chris Payton.
https://twitter.com/Coach_A_Short/status/1045800452082880513?s=20
Quote from: VU2014 on September 28, 2018, 07:56:42 PM
State Fair is a JUCO in Missouri...
There is a small forward at State Fair who is from nearby Hammond: Caleb Coleman.
Maybe rather than develop a freshman they're taking the JUCO route in hopes of getting someone who can contribute right away to boost our chances of contention over the next year or two. When's the last time Valpo went the JUCO route?
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on September 28, 2018, 10:50:03 PM
When's the last time Valpo went the JUCO route?
A year ago, and he's worked out very well so far.
Quote from: wh on September 28, 2018, 11:19:46 PM
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on September 28, 2018, 10:50:03 PM
When's the last time Valpo went the JUCO route?
A year ago, and he's worked out very well so far.
The chances we find another diamond in the rough like markus is pretty rare. Also the coach that discovered him is in Utah now. I'm not saying it isn't possible but it's unlikely for lightning to strike twice so soon.
Fingers crossed the coaches land their plan A or plan B.
It sounds like the one of the coaches were scouting in Ohio today.
https://twitter.com/sonnyjohnson32/status/1048337355940216834
Does anyone have any updated info on where we stand on possible early signings for 2019-20?
Quote from: valpo64 on October 06, 2018, 11:43:12 AM
Does anyone have any updated info on where we stand on possible early signings for 2019-20?
Haven't heard anything but Division I Basketball early signing Period is November 14, 2018. Hopefully we'll have better understanding of where we stand with certain recruits by then.
A 6'10" recruit on campus tomorrow. I believe he also has a 6'11" brother who is very good and only a sophomore!
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This is a very big visit for us!! Jaden is one of the Top recruits in the Canada recruiting class. It's impressive that we got him to come on an official visit. He'd be a huge get for us. Fingers crossed the visit goes well!
https://twitter.com/JadenSayNoMore/status/1050536990821605376
Quote from: VU2014 on October 11, 2018, 07:54:12 PM
This is a very big visit for us!! Jaden is one of the Top recruits in the Canada recruiting class. It's impressive that we got him to come on an official visit. He'd be a huge get for us. Fingers crossed the visit goes well!
https://twitter.com/JadenSayNoMore/status/1050536990821605376
Am I missing something, several P5 offers but looks REALLLY unpolished offensively. Either way, coaches know far more than I do so happy to see size being recruited!
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on October 11, 2018, 08:18:28 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on October 11, 2018, 07:54:12 PM
This is a very big visit for us!! Jaden is one of the Top recruits in the Canada recruiting class. It's impressive that we got him to come on an official visit. He'd be a huge get for us. Fingers crossed the visit goes well!
https://twitter.com/JadenSayNoMore/status/1050536990821605376
Am I missing something, several P5 offers but looks REALLLY unpolished offensively. Either way, coaches know far more than I do so happy to see size being recruited!
This kid has the potential to be a defensive beast. He's not totally polished offensively but that's normal. Kids with his frame and potential that are somewhat polished don't end up at Mid-Major schools. I'd be really excited to see him work with Coach Gore for a couple years and see his game.
Quote from: VU2014 on October 11, 2018, 09:05:55 PM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on October 11, 2018, 08:18:28 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on October 11, 2018, 07:54:12 PM
This is a very big visit for us!! Jaden is one of the Top recruits in the Canada recruiting class. It's impressive that we got him to come on an official visit. He'd be a huge get for us. Fingers crossed the visit goes well!
https://twitter.com/JadenSayNoMore/status/1050536990821605376
Am I missing something, several P5 offers but looks REALLLY unpolished offensively. Either way, coaches know far more than I do so happy to see size being recruited!
This kid has the potential to be a defensive beast. He's not totally polished offensively but that's normal. Kids with his frame and potential that are somewhat polished don't end up at Mid-Major schools. I'd be really excited to see him work with Coach Gore for a couple years and see his game.
I'm just thinking out loud here but he seems to be a traditional Center. Are we really going to head into the 2019 season with 3 centers and likely none of them could be on the court at the same time? Does this mean that the coaches are excepting a transfer from Smits or Sorolla at the end of the season? Or maybe one would try going pro in europe early? Smits should be on track to graduate by the end this school year. I'm expecting (hoping) for a breakthrough year from one or both of these guys. They'll be upperclassman and we'll be relying on them to step up they're game on the court. Smits started to breakthrough offensively last season but the defense/rebounding needs to improve. Jay seemed to stall in his development a bit but had sporadic good games. He was by far the better defender of the two of them.
I like the idea of adding a freshman center to groom before relying on him, but 3 traditional centers is pretty uncommon to see on one roster.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on September 28, 2018, 10:50:03 PM
Maybe rather than develop a freshman they're taking the JUCO route in hopes of getting someone who can contribute right away to boost our chances of contention over the next year or two. When's the last time Valpo went the JUCO route?
Markus Golder
Hare are a few JUCO nuggets we have had Darien Walker, Brandon Wood, Ivan Vujic, Zoran Viskovic, Tony Vilcinskas.
Quote from: VU2014 on October 11, 2018, 07:54:12 PM
This is a very big visit for us!! Jaden is one of the Top recruits in the Canada recruiting class. It's impressive that we got him to come on an official visit. He'd be a huge get for us. Fingers crossed the visit goes well!
https://twitter.com/JadenSayNoMore/status/1050536990821605376
My word who did that edit for him? That's a low major job right there.
Roster-wise he doesn't really fill an immediate need, but would be a good get for Valpo (If you want rebounding, he's your guy). In August the Crusaders weren't even on his list of eight, but my guess is the major programs on his radar are either slow playing him or no playing him since Virginia Tech's the only one to offer him in 2018.
https://twitter.com/JadenSayNoMore/status/1031708472994230272
I hope that we get him, just so we can see his retro glasses each game :)
Quote from: valpotx on October 12, 2018, 08:25:42 PM
I hope that we get him, just so we can see his retro glasses each game :)
I was thinking the same thing. Reminds me of Horace Grant.
(http://www.salarmyelgin.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/horaceGrantWeb.jpg)
We need bigs that can rebound and defend if we're ever going to consistently contend in this conference. It's as simple as that.
Quote from: IrishDawg on October 12, 2018, 07:31:08 AM
Quote from: VU2014 on October 11, 2018, 07:54:12 PM
This is a very big visit for us!! Jaden is one of the Top recruits in the Canada recruiting class. It's impressive that we got him to come on an official visit. He'd be a huge get for us. Fingers crossed the visit goes well!
https://twitter.com/JadenSayNoMore/status/1050536990821605376
My word who did that edit for him? That's a low major job right there.
Roster-wise he doesn't really fill an immediate need, but would be a good get for Valpo (If you want rebounding, he's your guy). In August the Crusaders weren't even on his list of eight, but my guess is the major programs on his radar are either slow playing him or no playing him since Virginia Tech's the only one to offer him in 2018.
https://twitter.com/JadenSayNoMore/status/1031708472994230272
So I'm just guessing that this guy would be hard to miss if he were on campus. Anybody see him at the game today?
Quote from: vu72 on October 13, 2018, 06:21:27 PM
Quote from: IrishDawg on October 12, 2018, 07:31:08 AM
Quote from: VU2014 on October 11, 2018, 07:54:12 PM
This is a very big visit for us!! Jaden is one of the Top recruits in the Canada recruiting class. It's impressive that we got him to come on an official visit. He'd be a huge get for us. Fingers crossed the visit goes well!
https://twitter.com/JadenSayNoMore/status/1050536990821605376
My word who did that edit for him? That's a low major job right there.
Roster-wise he doesn't really fill an immediate need, but would be a good get for Valpo (If you want rebounding, he's your guy). In August the Crusaders weren't even on his list of eight, but my guess is the major programs on his radar are either slow playing him or no playing him since Virginia Tech's the only one to offer him in 2018.
https://twitter.com/JadenSayNoMore/status/1031708472994230272
So I'm just guessing that this guy would be hard to miss if he were on campus. Anybody see him at the game today?
Betting he commits next week. Just a hunch...
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on October 14, 2018, 11:16:39 AM
Betting he commits next week. Just a hunch...
Have you heard anything or just a gut feeling? Valpo's history with Canadian players and Sackey being on the team might help a little. It's a positive sign that we were his first visit. I heard that Virginia Tech has been recruiting him pretty hard, but he's pretty clearly their plan b. Hopefully the visit went well. The MSU coach has been recruiting him since he was back at Mid TN.
Quote from: VU2014 on October 14, 2018, 01:15:00 PM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on October 14, 2018, 11:16:39 AM
Betting he commits next week. Just a hunch...
Have you heard anything or just a gut feeling? Valpo's history with Canadian players and Sackey being on the team might help a little. It's a positive sign that we were his first visit. I heard that Virginia Tech has been recruiting him pretty hard, but he's pretty clearly their plan b. Hopefully the visit went well. The MSU coach has been recruiting him since he was back at Mid TN.
100% gut feeling. Had bigger schools recruiting him (slowed) and being as we are his first official visit in Oct of his senior year....
Also not heard any other visits setup. Combine that with our success with big men and int'l players. Guess it just feels like the right combination for Valpo commitment.
Note: his twitter header says born in Chicago. Not that it's huge, but he took the time to make others aware.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on October 14, 2018, 02:09:41 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on October 14, 2018, 01:15:00 PM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on October 14, 2018, 11:16:39 AM
Betting he commits next week. Just a hunch...
Have you heard anything or just a gut feeling? Valpo's history with Canadian players and Sackey being on the team might help a little. It's a positive sign that we were his first visit. I heard that Virginia Tech has been recruiting him pretty hard, but he's pretty clearly their plan b. Hopefully the visit went well. The MSU coach has been recruiting him since he was back at Mid TN.
100% gut feeling. Had bigger schools recruiting him (slowed) and being as we are his first official visit in Oct of his senior year....
Also not heard any other visits setup. Combine that with our success with big men and int'l players. Guess it just feels like the right combination for Valpo commitment.
Note: his twitter header says born in Chicago. Not that it's huge, but he took the time to make others aware.
Good point. If he still has family in the area, they could easily make the trip to see his games.
I know that Walker and Joseph's family have both been very open and complimentary about how comfortable they felt having their sons away at Valpo and how they felt they were supported and loved.
I believe I remember reading that this influenced Sackey and I wouldn't be surprised if that could also be an influence here.
https://twitter.com/Valpo_Hoops/status/1051573426887020545
https://twitter.com/BioSteelAllCdn/status/986605416695054336
Quote from: crusader05 on October 14, 2018, 02:52:18 PM
I know that Walker and Joseph's family have both been very open and complimentary about how comfortable they felt having their sons away at Valpo and how they felt they were supported and loved.
I believe I remember reading that this influenced Sackey and I wouldn't be surprised if that could also be an influence here.
I'm sure that for more programs than not, players' families feel like their kids are supported and loved, so I would be very surprised if this somehow gave Valpo an inherent advantage over other programs. It's great that they feel this way, but I don't think it's something that's exclusive to Valpo.
Given how there don't seem to be any other visits set up, it does look good for Valpo, but it doesn't necessarily mean much unless he showed up to Valpo this weekend and thought "This is the place for me." I have to imagine other schools (especially MSU) are still recruiting him, so we'll see where this goes.
Quote from: VU2014 on October 14, 2018, 02:18:06 PM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on October 14, 2018, 02:09:41 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on October 14, 2018, 01:15:00 PM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on October 14, 2018, 11:16:39 AM
Betting he commits next week. Just a hunch...
Have you heard anything or just a gut feeling? Valpo's history with Canadian players and Sackey being on the team might help a little. It's a positive sign that we were his first visit. I heard that Virginia Tech has been recruiting him pretty hard, but he's pretty clearly their plan b. Hopefully the visit went well. The MSU coach has been recruiting him since he was back at Mid TN.
100% gut feeling. Had bigger schools recruiting him (slowed) and being as we are his first official visit in Oct of his senior year....
Also not heard any other visits setup. Combine that with our success with big men and int'l players. Guess it just feels like the right combination for Valpo commitment.
Note: his twitter header says born in Chicago. Not that it's huge, but he took the time to make others aware.
Good point. If he still has family in the area, they could easily make the trip to see his games.
As I read more on Jaden it seems that his recruiting trail with other teams is not as cold as previously thought. Still feeling decent that he made the official visit and thinking he would be a solid pickup. I know a productive Juco PF might be ideal, but size with rebounding and blocks is sorely needed in the coming years.
A good article about Jaden Bediako and his recruitment.
https://twitter.com/ny2lasports/status/1051811539349659648
2019 C JADEN BEDIAKO STILL ON THE BOARD
October 15, 2018
6:30am
Nick Aiello — Contributing Editor
NY2LASPORTS.COM
The 2019 class is thirsty for bigs from coast to coast and a talented unheralded yet highly movitated one is quietly generating momemtum in Canada. "What motivates me is the people in my circle. My mom, my family, and my coaches. These people take time out of their days to drive me to workouts and practices and work with me. I want to be in a situation where I can pay them back for all the good things they helped me with." 2019 Center, Jaden Bediako, of Ridley College Prep (Brampton, Ontario) has been on the radar of some higher profile Division I schools for some time now and he has been consistently performing at a high level on the court to earn those looks.
The 6'10" – 230-pound big man has a great frame that colleges covet in their centers and he moves really well at his size with a nice feel around the post area. With the body and developing game in his tool belt, Bediako is taking his experiences over the years on the court and his ambition to show those who have helped him along the way what their efforts have helped him produce.
Bediako has gained some outstanding experience the last couple years both with his school team and on the AAU circuit with his grassroots program in some highly competitive events. "This past AAU season was one of my best experiences... I played well throughout the circuit and was able to make a name for myself," the touted center commented. He mentioned the Indiana session of EYBL as a critical one for himself and his team as they were very successful in which he took home All-Breakout Team honors. Bediako recorded double-doubles in every game during the Peach Jam preliminary Invitational and led the tournament in rebounding. He and his UPlay Canada teammates also made their way to the Summer Jam by NY2LA Sports and had a solid run in the tournament to the semi-finals thanks in large part to the hustle and play from Bediako who controlled the boards and was solid on both ends of the floor.
Bediako's stock has risen over the year with his hard work and the development that he has shown with his offensive skill set. All the work has put him in the conversation with some of the best prospects coming out of Canada right now, and his production on the AAU circuit is paying off with having options going forward of what college he can attend for school and to further his basketball career. "I feel like I'm one of the best Canadian players on the AAU circuit, but due to playing ball in Canada, I don't get as much exposure to recruiting sites," Bediako mentioned, after also expressing his boost in confidence with his game after seeing a lot of the results of the effort he has put in at the gym and way he was able to compete against other top prospects like James Wiseman, Tre Mitchell, Isaiah Stewart, and Jaden McDaniels.
Going into this final basketball season at Ridley, Bediako says his main goal is simply, but emphatically, to WIN. "Last season my school finished 5th in the Ontario Scholastic Basketball Association tournament... We knocked off the 4th seed RISE Prep and beat the defending champions Orangeville." With a good head on his shoulders and a realistic look at his team, Bediako feels like they were a young group last year that gained a lot of experience and should be ready to roll this season to take on the best. "We're going to be playing some top teams in the US too, like Brewster Academy, and more... We got better the past 2 years, but I want to come out as a winner, an MVP, and one of the best centers in the Class of 2019," he added with confidence in his team and strong goals for himself.
Bediako has really brought his game a long way and has polished his skills on the offensive side of the ball, but can always fall back on his work he puts in on the glass, dominating the rebounds often. "My strengths are my ability to finish around the basket at a high rate. The right jump hook is money and unstoppable and many players don't know what I'll do next if they take that away, so I always make them keep guessing." Having a drop-step finish in his repertoire now is also a nice touch and he has shown great feels finishing on the rim. Being 6'10" with a big frame, Bediako also knows how to use that size to affect the post and get his teammates open looks on the perimeter with kick-outs and such, as well as controlling the offensive rebounds and getting second or third opportunities for himself or his team.
Bediako is also working hard still to improve himself and his game to be ready to show out this year and to play at the next level in high major college basketball. "The biggest thing I'm working on is changing my diet... I'm eating vegetables and protein at meals, we got a strength trainer at the school now and we lift 3 days a week, so some days I go by myself to lift to make it 4 or 5 times a week," he said. He also added skill development-wise "I'm working on my left hand finishes and rebounding with 2 hands at all times... I've improved my jump shot and looking to shoot it more on face-ups."
What the talented and developing 2019 prospect is gearing up for, is basketball at the next level where he'll be competing against many of the best prospects out there. Bediako currently has offers from USC, Oklahoma, San Diego State, Middle Tennessee State, Toledo, Kent State, Virginia Tech, and Missouri State. Valparaiso is also showing heavy interest right now and he'll be in town there for a visit October 12-14, before likely taking a visit to Virginia Tech later in October. While he is still open to different schools and the recruitment process ongoing, Bediako did mention that he would like to make a decision sometime in November, but he won't rush it until he's completely ready to commit.
Whoever gets Bediako will get a hungry, driven and hard-working big man who consistently rebounds the basketball and has a nice feel around the glass either scoring ball on offense or protecting the rim on the other end of the floor. In that semifinal game against Orangeville last year, Bediako put together an 18-point, 9-rebound performance with 2 blocks. In the finals loss, he was dominant with 22 points and another 9 rebounds. At the 2017 Canada Summer Games (in Winnipeg, Manitoba), Bediako exploded for 27 points, 16 rebounds and 8 blocks in a semifinal game against Quebec. He'll look to add some more big moments and memories throughout this final prep season.
https://twitter.com/CoachCrncich/status/1051623485695582209
Really just depends if he takes that Virginia Tech visit. Va. Tech has 5 spots still open at this point, and Bediako is really only really behind 1 guy (rating-wise) that they're recruiting right now, and experts aren't predicting that guy to go to the Hokies. So we'll see, but it's hard to compete with playing in the ACC and making the tournament as they have the last couple of years.
Quote from: IrishDawg on October 15, 2018, 08:23:40 PM
Really just depends if he takes that Virginia Tech visit. Va. Tech has 5 spots still open at this point, and Bediako is really only really behind 1 guy (rating-wise) that they're recruiting right now, and experts aren't predicting that guy to go to the Hokies. So we'll see, but it's hard to compete with playing in the ACC and making the tournament as they have the last couple of years.
Agreed that it will be tough to earn his commitment over VT. It may come down to his potential role at VT and if they see him as the long-term big of the future for them. The last time we beat out VT for a recruit was when David Skara committed to Valpo.
Just talked to someone who follows SIU basketball closely and he's hearing that the SIU coaches feel optimistic about their chances of landing Chris Payton, fwiw.
Quote from: VU2014 on October 16, 2018, 06:53:34 PM
Just talked to someone who follows SIU basketball closely and he's hearing that the SIU coaches feel optimistic about their chances of landing Chris Payton, fwiw.
Best of luck to the young man, can't say I wasnt hoping we landed him. My rankings of most preferred left on the board (that we know).
1a) Skogman
1b) Payton
1c) Bediako
4) Hemenway (only because we have sooooo many G)
Virginia Tech just landed the #2 Canadian recruit in the 2019 class. Not sure if it will impact Bediako's decision. They play two different positions. VT currently has 3 available scholarships. They have no future Center and Bediako is one of the 3 Centers they have offered in the 2019 class. Bediako follows him on twitter.
https://twitter.com/Elias_NPH/status/1053038775532756998
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on October 14, 2018, 02:09:41 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on October 14, 2018, 01:15:00 PM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on October 14, 2018, 11:16:39 AM
Betting he commits next week. Just a hunch...
Have you heard anything or just a gut feeling? Valpo's history with Canadian players and Sackey being on the team might help a little. It's a positive sign that we were his first visit. I heard that Virginia Tech has been recruiting him pretty hard, but he's pretty clearly their plan b. Hopefully the visit went well. The MSU coach has been recruiting him since he was back at Mid TN.
100% gut feeling. Had bigger schools recruiting him (slowed) and being as we are his first official visit in Oct of his senior year....
Also not heard any other visits setup. Combine that with our success with big men and int'l players. Guess it just feels like the right combination for Valpo commitment.
Note: his twitter header says born in Chicago. Not that it's huge, but he took the time to make others aware.
So not even a scholarship offer to the Canadian after his official visit? Guess we also had a visit from Bruninga (or was it just a game) and no official offer was extended....
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Quote from: VU2014 on October 14, 2018, 01:15:00 PM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on October 14, 2018, 11:16:39 AM
Betting he commits next week. Just a hunch...
Have you heard anything or just a gut feeling? Valpo's history with Canadian players and Sackey being on the team might help a little. It's a positive sign that we were his first visit. I heard that Virginia Tech has been recruiting him pretty hard, but he's pretty clearly their plan b. Hopefully the visit went well. The MSU coach has been recruiting him since he was back at Mid TN.
100% gut feeling. Had bigger schools recruiting him (slowed) and being as we are his first official visit in Oct of his senior year....
Also not heard any other visits setup. Combine that with our success with big men and int'l players. Guess it just feels like the right combination for Valpo commitment.
Note: his twitter header says born in Chicago. Not that it's huge, but he took the time to make others aware.
So not even a scholarship offer to the Canadian after his official visit? Guess we also had a visit from Bruninga (or was it just a game) and no official offer was extended....
I don't know for sure but I got the sense he was offered but never officially announced it on social media or anything.
I think his Virginia Tech visit is coming up soon. It seems like they may be our main competition. VT has landed 3 commitment within the last few weeks.
As that recent article mentioned Bediako's offensive game has made strides over the last year. He scored 26 points in his most recent game. Not sure what the level of competition is but he led his team in scoring in a victory. He seems to be a solid FT shooter for a big.
https://twitter.com/RidleyAthletics/status/1053442697439141890
Quote from: EddieCabot on July 19, 2018, 09:40:14 PM
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https://twitter.com/Illinois_Stars/status/1019698000082464769
Don't know anything about these kids, but if the competition is IUPUI and UWM, I'm not enthused. We need to aim higher.
Chris Burnell from Rockford East has been a varsity standout since Freshman year. I have followed his growth the last three years. He's a top kid with a good attitude.
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Don't know anything about these kids, but if the competition is IUPUI and UWM, I'm not enthused. We need to aim higher.
Chris Burnell from Rockford East has been a varsity standout since Freshman year. I have followed his growth the last three years. He's a top kid with a good attitude.
These two are 6'3" and 6'4": with all the guards and small forwards we have on roster, I'm still thinking a bigger player like 6'10" Skogman, if possible, would be a better priority.
I'm sure this is all just due diligence. Or perhaps they believe someone on the roster now might transfer and they want to be ready with contingencies if it happens.
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Don't know anything about these kids, but if the competition is IUPUI and UWM, I'm not enthused. We need to aim higher.
Chris Burnell from Rockford East has been a varsity standout since Freshman year. I have followed his growth the last three years. He's a top kid with a good attitude.
These two are 6'3" and 6'4": with all the guards and small forwards we have on roster, I'm still thinking a bigger player like 6'10" Skogman, if possible, would be a better priority.
We might be out of the skogman sweepstakes with his recruitment blowing up
https://twitter.com/griffnmoore/status/1054889872241102848
This one is surprising. Illinois showed interest earlier in his recruitment but I heard they pretty much stopped showing interest last year during his junior HS season. One of the reasons he originally decommitted from Illinois State was because a handful of P5 schools including the Illini start to show interest. It's pretty clear he wants to play for a P5 right now. I just don't see him at being a fit for a lot of P5s because of his size and a few pieces of his game that aren't fully developed like his ball handling. He's very athletic but he's a bit of tweener for that level. I just don't see him getting the playing time development he needs to improve his game at a P5 school right now. I just think he's a better fit for mid-majors where he'll get to play earlier on in his CBB career.
Quote from: VU2014 on October 23, 2018, 11:54:06 PM
This one is a surprising. Illinois showed interest earlier in his recruitment but I heard they pretty much stopped showing interest last year during his junior HS season. One of the reasons he originally decommitted from Illinois State was because a handful of P5 schools including the Illini start to show interest. It's pretty clear he wants to play for a P5 right now. I just don't see him at being a fit for a lot of P5s because of his size and a few pieces of his game that aren't fully developed like his ball handling. He's very athletic but he's a bit of tweener for that level. I just don't see him getting the playing time development he needs to improve his game at a P5 school right now. I just think he's a better fit for mid-majors where he'll get to play earlier on in his CBB career.
As you said, it's pretty clear he wants to be at a P5 program. If that's the case, his best bet is to wait until the spring, because that's when teams get a little more willing to reach on a guy. Going to watch the Illini's scrimmage also doesn't mean that an offer has or will be conveyed to him. Illinois has been striking out a lot on their 2019 recruiting so far though, so it's possible that one could be coming his way.
Cornell has offered my HS senior granddaughter an amazing academic financial package to go there. Upon learning that she had submitted her application, I asked her how serious she was about going there. She replied that she has already decided on Notre Dame. She just wants to be able to tell her friends she could have gone to an Ivy League school had she wanted to. Sounded to me like a bunch of nonsense; then again, I'm not an 18-year-old kid trying to impress my friends.
Moral of the story - Don't give up on Chris yet. After all, he is the same age as my granddaughter. :)
Quote from: wh on October 24, 2018, 03:58:06 PM
Cornell has offered my HS senior granddaughter an amazing academic financial package to go there. Upon learning that she had submitted her application, I asked her how serious she was about going there. She replied that she has already decided on Notre Dame. She just wants to be able to tell her friends she could have gone to an Ivy League school had she wanted to. Sounded to me like a bunch of nonsense; then again, I'm not an 18-year-old kid trying to impress my friends.
Moral of the story - Don't give up on Chris yet. After all, he is the same age as my granddaughter. :)
Thanks for sharing WH, great real world example that we can all relate to. I did the same thing with Miami of Ohio / Western Michigan (football) but knew I was outclassed and chose to come to VU. Though I was hardly a highly rate recruit such as the likes of the 2019 class we are recruiting. I am glad to see we are setting our sights high! Skogman and Payton would be great pickups. I'm even excited for a potential rim protector / rebounder in the Canadian recruit (if we actually offered him).
Did you say Chris Lofton or Chris Payton? ???
Rumor is that Illinois State jumped into Bediako's recruitment.
Sounds like we will be officially eliminated by Alex on Friday
https://twitter.com/HemenwayAlex/status/1057340319770075136
My $ is on Clemson.
Quote from: VU2014 on October 30, 2018, 10:37:11 PM
My $ is on Clemson.
Hope he goes to the school of his dreams. And then reconsiders his decision and transfers to VU during our year of rebuild.
Bediako putting up some nice offensive numbers.
https://twitter.com/OntarioSBA/status/1057631274246914048
Alex Hememway officially committed to Clemson.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1058463932191596544
Quote from: VUBBFan on November 02, 2018, 04:11:20 PM
Alex Hememway officially committed to Clemson.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1058463932191596544
As an Indiana kid, he'll not be very comfortable in the deep south. Valpo in two? :crazy:
His video seemed to be a bit much to me. Seems a bit self centered but what do I know.
Quote from: valpolaw on November 02, 2018, 05:00:37 PM
His video seemed to be a bit much to me. Seems a bit self centered but what do I know.
I spend way too much time following CBB twitter and these announcement videos get pretty annoying but this one is one of the more humbled ones. I've seen kids committing to non-d1 schools have these type of videos lol.
Quote from: vu72 on November 02, 2018, 04:27:05 PM
As an Indiana kid, he'll not be very comfortable in the deep south. Valpo in two? :crazy:
I actually think he could do well there if he is able to get enough minutes to crack a rotation. I don't think he'll get the playing time he'd get at mid-major early on but we'll see. I really wanted the Valpo coaches to make a full court press on him in recruitment. I think he's going to be a heck of a CBB player. It always felt like Clemson was going to be the landing spot. His dad is friends with the Clemson head coach and once Marty Simmons got fired from evansville and joined the staff as an assistant it felt like it sealed the deal. I'm not sure I see him as a transfer candidate down the road unless the Clemson HC leaves at some point in the next 4 years.
Illinois is still flirting with Chris Payton. If they offer it's probably game over for Valpo and other mid-majors in on his recruitment.
https://twitter.com/DPiper247/status/1058506389222514688
Bediako would look pretty as the big man of the future at Valpo.
https://twitter.com/RidleyAthletics/status/1058441146576318465
#4
https://twitter.com/MikeYagmin/status/1058742228326203392
David Skogman is coming in for a 2nd visit! A positive sign. This may be his official visit. He's tagging along with a 2021 recruit.
David's recruitment has blown up the last few months. He's getting high major interest.
https://twitter.com/WisBBYearbook/status/1061046538607226880
Quote from: VU2014 on November 09, 2018, 10:18:16 PM
David Skogman is coming in for a 2nd visit! A positive sign. This may be his official visit. He's tagging along with a 2021 recruit.
David's recruitment has blown up the last few months. He's getting high major interest.
https://twitter.com/WisBBYearbook/status/1061046538607226880
What's even more positive about it is that if Bediako is considering Valpo, he may be more inclined to pick them now if he thinks there is competition for that scholarship. Always good to have options.
Quote from: IrishDawg on November 10, 2018, 04:59:00 AM
Quote from: VU2014 on November 09, 2018, 10:18:16 PM
David Skogman is coming in for a 2nd visit! A positive sign. This may be his official visit. He's tagging along with a 2021 recruit.
David's recruitment has blown up the last few months. He's getting high major interest.
https://twitter.com/WisBBYearbook/status/1061046538607226880
What's even more positive about it is that if Bediako is considering Valpo, he may be more inclined to pick them now if he thinks there is competition for that scholarship. Always good to have options.
If we land Bediako or Skogman this guy would be happy. We sooooo badly need size that can make a difference.
I'm hoping the undersized players of Concordia made the aggressive Mileek foul way too frequently. I'm still unsure he knows how to use his body without decimating the opponent. Still a Terry Tate (Office Linebacker) in him...
Something to keep in mind is that the "early signing period" ends on November 14. His visit just so happens to be right before the end of the signing period so maybe that's a positive sign if he's looking to make his commitment before the HS basketball season gets in full swing.
Quote from: VU2014 on November 09, 2018, 10:18:16 PM
David Skogman is coming in for a 2nd visit! A positive sign. This may be his official visit. He's tagging along with a 2021 recruit.
David's recruitment has blown up the last few months. He's getting high major interest.
https://twitter.com/WisBBYearbook/status/1061046538607226880
Anyone else previously think we were out of the hunt for Mr Skogman's services? Of the three remaining offers I thought he was the least likely and only Bediako was active.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on November 10, 2018, 04:00:32 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on November 09, 2018, 10:18:16 PM
David Skogman is coming in for a 2nd visit! A positive sign. This may be his official visit. He's tagging along with a 2021 recruit.
David's recruitment has blown up the last few months. He's getting high major interest.
https://twitter.com/WisBBYearbook/status/1061046538607226880
Anyone else previously think we were out of the hunt for Mr Skogman's services? Of the three remaining offers I thought he was the least likely and only Bediako was active.
It felt like a bit of long shot given the teams involved but we've defied the odds in the past with landing guys like AP. And that worked out pretty well for all parties. He'd certainly get the opportunity to play early in his career here compared to some of the other schools on his offer list. Hopefully he's built a strong relationship with the coaching staff.
https://twitter.com/WisBBYearbook/status/1061661189967671296
I think our best hope of landing Skogman is if he signs before Nov 14 signing deadline this Wednesday. Who knows where we'll stand his recruitment if it extends till April.
Quote from: VU2014 on November 10, 2018, 10:13:25 AM
Something to keep in mind is that the "early signing period" ends on November 14. His visit just so happens to be right before the end of the signing period so maybe that's a positive sign if he's looking to make his commitment before the HS basketball season gets in full swing.
The signing period begins on November 14, not ends.
Quote from: vusupporter on November 12, 2018, 01:20:15 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on November 10, 2018, 10:13:25 AM
Something to keep in mind is that the "early signing period" ends on November 14. His visit just so happens to be right before the end of the signing period so maybe that's a positive sign if he's looking to make his commitment before the HS basketball season gets in full swing.
The signing period begins on November 14, not ends.
My bad. You are correct. It's from Nov 14-21.
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/1062090464856367104
Quote from: VUBBFan on November 12, 2018, 03:14:25 PM
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/1062090464856367104
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Quote from: VUBBFan on November 12, 2018, 03:14:25 PM
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/1062090464856367104
Interesting, I am not sure if I was coaching if I would make such a pronouncement, even if I did or didn't expect a recruit to sign early.
Quote from: VUBBFan on November 12, 2018, 03:14:25 PM
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/1062090464856367104
Still tons of time left for the 2019 class - Given the amount of upperclassmen that could come back, most of the activity (transfers especially) are going to occur in the spring. If you find a guy that fits and wants to be at Valpo, by all means go after him, but I think next year's roster should already mostly be set
Quote from: IrishDawg on November 13, 2018, 09:12:15 AM
Quote from: VUBBFan on November 12, 2018, 03:14:25 PM
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/1062090464856367104
Still tons of time left for the 2019 class - Given the amount of upperclassmen that could come back, most of the activity (transfers especially) are going to occur in the spring. If you find a guy that fits and wants to be at Valpo, by all means go after him, but I think next year's roster should already mostly be set
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I think that's right. Obviously egos can come into play and as the season progresses and court time is reduced or nonexistent, some may choose to transfer. The current junior class would find that a tough decision as they would have to sit out a year.
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Quote from: IrishDawg on November 13, 2018, 09:12:15 AM
Quote from: VUBBFan on November 12, 2018, 03:14:25 PM
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/1062090464856367104
Still tons of time left for the 2019 class - Given the amount of upperclassmen that could come back, most of the activity (transfers especially) are going to occur in the spring. If you find a guy that fits and wants to be at Valpo, by all means go after him, but I think next year's roster should already mostly be set
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I think that's right. Obviously egos can come into play and as the season progresses and court time is reduced or nonexistent, some may choose to transfer. The current junior class would find that a tough decision as they would have to sit out a year.
The majority of these juniors are going to graduate this year.
I think Smits for sure is going to graduate this year, unsure about others. However Derrick and Jaume both seem to have become a larger part of campus life through joining fraternities and Derrick was on Homecoming Court this year so they may not be as eager to leave. I am unsure of Micah but I don't know where he lands that is better as this staff seems to believe strongly in him despite his struggles on the court on occasion. I can't see some of out other transfers looking to do it again.
A lot will depend on what plays out on the court but I don't know that we have any candidates who would want to transfer at this point outside of one of the centers, put if they maintain good playing time then I don't know what the upside would be for them
We're in Chris Payton's final 4
https://twitter.com/THEchrispayton/status/1063110830621949953?s=20
Quote from: VU2014 on November 15, 2018, 12:49:21 PM
We're in Chris Payton's final 4
https://twitter.com/THEchrispayton/status/1063110830621949953?s=20
Subliminal message. Is he wearing a Crusader uniform? Wishful thinking by me probably. If PT early is a major factor for Chris, can't see where he can do better than Valpo. Plus get a great education!!
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Is he an early signee?
I thought he was one who said he wanted to be done by the Fall but we will see. I have heard that SIU thinks they have a good chance with him but not much else.
Quote from: valpo64 on November 15, 2018, 02:08:16 PM
Is he an early signee?
I think he's going to wait out Illinois' Recruitment situation and see if they have a spot for him. That will likely force his recruitment into the Spring. Just a hunch.
He initially said he wanted to complete his recruitment in the Fall but that was before the Illini re-entered his recruitment.
Quote from: VU2014 on November 15, 2018, 03:36:20 PM
Quote from: valpo64 on November 15, 2018, 02:08:16 PM
Is he an early signee?
I think he's going to wait out Illinois' Recruitment situation and see if they have a spot for him. That will likely force his recruitment into the Spring. Just a hunch.
He initially said he wanted to complete his recruitment in the Fall but that was before the Illini re-entered his recruitment.
Knowing he is not the Illini's top prospect by the mere fact that "he's going to wait out Illinois' Recruitment situation and see if they have a spot for him" says something. He is sincerely wanted at Valpo. No waiting. No guessing. With his talent, he will be a valuable addition to this team and he will possibly be an immediate starter like Javon this year, right? His choice right now is: start or at least be part of the main rotation at Valpo right out of the blocks OR bide his time on the bench at U of I and hope the next recruiting class doesn't bring in someone who leapfrogs over him.
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Quote from: VU2014 on November 15, 2018, 03:36:20 PM
Quote from: valpo64 on November 15, 2018, 02:08:16 PM
Is he an early signee?
I think he's going to wait out Illinois' Recruitment situation and see if they have a spot for him. That will likely force his recruitment into the Spring. Just a hunch.
He initially said he wanted to complete his recruitment in the Fall but that was before the Illini re-entered his recruitment.
Knowing he is not the Illini's top prospect by the mere fact that "he's going to wait out Illinois' Recruitment situation and see if they have a spot for him" says something. He is sincerely wanted at Valpo. No waiting. No guessing. With his talent, he will be a valuable addition to this team and he will possibly be an immediate starter like Javon this year, right? His choice right now is: start or at least be part of the main rotation at Valpo right out of the blocks OR bide his time on the bench at U of I and hope the next recruiting class doesn't bring in someone who leapfrogs over him.
A lot of young athletes think playing a Power Conference validates them as a player. It might not be the best thing for his development as a basketball player but it's what they want. It feels like a somewhat similar situation as Sasha Stefanovic. He was close to committing to Valpo but once Purdue entered his recruitment it was game for VU because he badly want to play in the Big 10. It's slightly different because I think his family had close ties to PU and were part of the boosters club and I'm not sure if that's the case for Payton. Priorities are different for every young man and it's their decision.
We'll see how it all turns out. If I had to guess this is the scenario that is playing out. The Illini coaching staff has a Plan A, B or C and Payton is plan D. Illinois has struck out on a lot of "higher" level recruits and that's why they re-entered Payton's recruitment. The staff has probably told him that "you're are guy if things go south with other guys." That type of stuff happens all the time in Power Conference recruiting. If things don't work out with Illinois then SIU and Middle Tennessee will be serious threats in landing him as well. SIU will have a huge 2019 recruiting class and can offer playing time. He also knows a lot of the players on that roster.
Given that Payton said he wanted to make his decision during the fall signing period, and given that Matt said he didn't expect to make an announcement during the current signing period, might we conclude that his announcement is eminent and his choice will not be Valpo. The fact that he announced his 4 finalists is probably intended to demonstrate that he has given his final decision proper consideration this time around.
Plus, even if we did get him. If going power 5 is that important to him the likelihood is we would not have him for 4 years.
Quote from: wh on November 16, 2018, 12:53:56 PM
Given that Payton said he wanted to make his decision during the fall signing period, and given that Matt said he didn't expect to make an announcement during the current signing period, might we conclude that his announcement is eminent and his choice will not be Valpo. The fact that he announced his 4 finalists is probably intended to demonstrate that he has given his final decision proper consideration this time around.
I don't know if this is the case for this particular recruitment, but a lot of times recruits will stick a school in their "Final 3,4,5, etc." even if they have no intention of going there, and chances are the coaching staff already knows whether or not they have a legit chance. I'd be surprised if he picked Valpo, but you never know.
Quote from: vufan75 on November 15, 2018, 01:23:57 PMSubliminal message. Is he wearing a Crusader uniform? Wishful thinking by me probably.
Chris Payton plays for Bloomington (IL) HS which are the Purple Raiders. That is a gold uniform with the word Raiders across the front. Those are the letters BHS across his uniform shorts.
(https://jnswire.s3.amazonaws.com/jns-media/0d/ab/533457/Bloomington.jpg)
Quote from: IrishDawg on November 16, 2018, 01:43:38 PM
Quote from: wh on November 16, 2018, 12:53:56 PM
Given that Payton said he wanted to make his decision during the fall signing period, and given that Matt said he didn't expect to make an announcement during the current signing period, might we conclude that his announcement is eminent and his choice will not be Valpo. The fact that he announced his 4 finalists is probably intended to demonstrate that he has given his final decision proper consideration this time around.
I don't know if this is the case for this particular recruitment, but a lot of times recruits will stick a school in their "Final 3,4,5, etc." even if they have no intention of going there, and chances are the coaching staff already knows whether or not they have a legit chance. I'd be surprised if he picked Valpo, but you never know.
Yeah, it's good to show schools you were considering but didn't choose some love in case things don't work out with your school of choice.
I hope we'd be able to beat LIU-Brooklyn for a recruit. Skogman is being recruited by UWM also.
https://twitter.com/WisBBYearbook/status/1064707528053989378
Quote from: VU2014 on November 20, 2018, 08:27:10 PM
I hope we'd be able to beat LIU-Brooklyn for a recruit. Skogman is being recruited by UWM also.
https://twitter.com/WisBBYearbook/status/1064707528053989378
He was treated to a game with 53 fouls and 80 free throws. On the plus side, Milwaukee won in front of their most exclusive group of 895 fans (actual attendance was about half that according to their board).
Would be surprised if UWM was a legit contender for Skogman, and not because of last night's game.
Quote from: IrishDawg on November 21, 2018, 04:40:17 AM
Quote from: VU2014 on November 20, 2018, 08:27:10 PM
I hope we'd be able to beat LIU-Brooklyn for a recruit. Skogman is being recruited by UWM also.
https://twitter.com/WisBBYearbook/status/1064707528053989378
He was treated to a game with 53 fouls and 80 free throws. On the plus side, Milwaukee won in front of their most exclusive group of 895 fans (actual attendance was about half that according to their board).
Would be surprised if UWM was a legit contender for Skogman, and not because of last night's game.
I think UWM's best chance to turn things around is if Pat Baldwin's son plays for uwm one day. I believe I remember hearing that he is a projected Top 5 recruit in the nation for the 2021 class. He has one and done potential. I could see a P5 team paying Baldwin top dollar to be an assistant on their staff if things go south for him a UWM. Baldwin was actually a very highly thought of assistant with Northwestern before taking the UWM job.
Quote from: VU2014 on November 21, 2018, 07:32:53 AM
Quote from: IrishDawg on November 21, 2018, 04:40:17 AM
Quote from: VU2014 on November 20, 2018, 08:27:10 PM
I hope we'd be able to beat LIU-Brooklyn for a recruit. Skogman is being recruited by UWM also.
https://twitter.com/WisBBYearbook/status/1064707528053989378
He was treated to a game with 53 fouls and 80 free throws. On the plus side, Milwaukee won in front of their most exclusive group of 895 fans (actual attendance was about half that according to their board).
Would be surprised if UWM was a legit contender for Skogman, and not because of last night's game.
I think UWM's best chance to turn things around is if Pat Baldwin's son plays for uwm one day. I believe I remember hearing that he is a projected Top 5 recruit in the nation for the 2021 class. He has one and done potential. I could see a P5 team paying Baldwin top dollar to be an assistant on their staff if things go south for him a UWM. Baldwin was actually a very highly thought of assistant with Northwestern before taking the UWM job.
That is indeed a legit turnaround approach . . . .see Bryce Drew!
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on November 21, 2018, 12:39:32 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on November 21, 2018, 07:32:53 AM
Quote from: IrishDawg on November 21, 2018, 04:40:17 AM
Quote from: VU2014 on November 20, 2018, 08:27:10 PM
I hope we'd be able to beat LIU-Brooklyn for a recruit. Skogman is being recruited by UWM also.
https://twitter.com/WisBBYearbook/status/1064707528053989378
He was treated to a game with 53 fouls and 80 free throws. On the plus side, Milwaukee won in front of their most exclusive group of 895 fans (actual attendance was about half that according to their board).
Would be surprised if UWM was a legit contender for Skogman, and not because of last night's game.
I think UWM's best chance to turn things around is if Pat Baldwin's son plays for uwm one day. I believe I remember hearing that he is a projected Top 5 recruit in the nation for the 2021 class. He has one and done potential. I could see a P5 team paying Baldwin top dollar to be an assistant on their staff if things go south for him a UWM. Baldwin was actually a very highly thought of assistant with Northwestern before taking the UWM job.
That is indeed a legit turnaround approach . . . .see Bryce Drew!
I'm not totally familiar with that era but didn't Homer recruit some pretty talented players before Bryce committed? I thought I remember someone saying that the turnaround started to happen a few years before but when Bryce commit it changed the vibe of the program and that's when they developed a winning culture.
Dave Redmon and Casey Schmidt really were the turning point transfers that started to change the perception of the program.
http://www.valpoathletics.com/athletics/hofmembers/HoFInductees/9828/casey-schmidt/ (http://www.valpoathletics.com/athletics/hofmembers/HoFInductees/9828/casey-schmidt/)
http://www.valpoathletics.com/athletics/hofmembers/HoFInductees/9895/david-redmon/ (http://www.valpoathletics.com/athletics/hofmembers/HoFInductees/9895/david-redmon/)
Payton commits to SIU
https://twitter.com/Pg_Kindred/status/1065415439944175617
We lose the recruiting battle to a conference rival... not good. They could probably offer playing time that we couldn't early on.
https://twitter.com/pg_kindred/status/1065415439944175617?s=21
All I our eggs are in the Skogman and Bediako basket now.
Have we even offered Bediako? If not why not?
Quote from: VU2014 on November 21, 2018, 07:59:26 PM
We lose the recruiting battle to a conference rival... not good. They could probably offer playing time that we couldn't early on.
https://twitter.com/pg_kindred/status/1065415439944175617?s=21
All I our eggs are in the Skogman and Bediako basket now.
We came late to the party, wasn't he an SIU guy from the get?
Also, very happy the MVC landed another quality player!
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on November 21, 2018, 10:01:12 PMQuote from: VU2014 on November 21, 2018, 07:59:26 PMWe lose the recruiting battle to a conference rival... not good. They could probably offer playing time that we couldn't early on. https://twitter.com/pg_kindred/status/1065415439944175617?s=21 All I our eggs are in the Skogman and Bediako basket now.
We came late to the party, wasn't he an SIU guy from the get? Also, very happy the MVC landed another quality player!
No his original commitment was to his hometown Redbirds After he decommitted SIU emerged as a frontrunner (and the eventual landing spot) for him.
Quote from: VU2014 on November 21, 2018, 07:32:53 AM
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Quote from: VU2014 on November 20, 2018, 08:27:10 PM
I hope we'd be able to beat LIU-Brooklyn for a recruit. Skogman is being recruited by UWM also.
https://twitter.com/WisBBYearbook/status/1064707528053989378
He was treated to a game with 53 fouls and 80 free throws. On the plus side, Milwaukee won in front of their most exclusive group of 895 fans (actual attendance was about half that according to their board).
Would be surprised if UWM was a legit contender for Skogman, and not because of last night's game.
I think UWM's best chance to turn things around is if Pat Baldwin's son plays for uwm one day. I believe I remember hearing that he is a projected Top 5 recruit in the nation for the 2021 class. He has one and done potential. I could see a P5 team paying Baldwin top dollar to be an assistant on their staff if things go south for him a UWM. Baldwin was actually a very highly thought of assistant with Northwestern before taking the UWM job.
Yeah I don't disagree with that, and if you're UWM, you might as well wait it out.
Update on Jayden Bediako's recruitment, he took a visit to Santa Clara recently.
https://twitter.com/coachcrncich/status/1071976488377954305?s=21
It's crushing to consider this fact.
Just a few miles down the road, there's another Valparaiso basketball team - the Valparaiso High School Vikings. Is it possible that the best basketball player in the city of Valparaiso is not a member of the Valparaiso Crusaders? Is it possible that we have a 4 ⭐️ blue chip recruit in our back yard? Yes, ma'am.
That doesn't happen here every year. No, sir. And yet, he's gone - down to Purdue. And who could blame him? Maybe if we had the facilities and were clearly on the upward trajectory he'd stay in town?
If Bryce were still here, would he have been able to secure the commitment? Build talent around him? Would that project this team into the next level? I saw an article showing that Bryce made upwards of $450k to coach here. Slightly more than President Heckler. Not like he wasn't living a great life!
Oh well. Shoulda coulda woulda.
The coaching staff definitely recruited him and he was offered but he chose to play in the big 10. It's not too surprising. A lot of kids want to play at the highest level. His recruitment took a huge shift when his Mom unfortunately became ill and he decided to pull out of prep school and ultimately commit to playing closer to home at Purdue. He's definitely a special player.
The next BIG Valpo high school recruit is currently in 8th grade. Make that offer soon, lol!
You can't blame the kid for choosing Purdue and one sure cant compare his situation with the Drew thing. Remember there was also the Rob Hummel and the other big guy Martin from VHS who both chose Purdue over Valpo. Hummel was even a ball ball at the ARC when Homer coached. As the story goes, Rob called Homer before calling the Purdue coaches to announce he would indeed go to Purdue. It is not fair to judge our coaches' recruiting ability because the current VHS kid chose PU over Valpo.
450 k or multi million???
Tough choice I'm sure
We aren't going to get those types of players here
Why would someone pick Valparaiso over Purdue?
No way
Quote from: valpo64 on December 10, 2018, 10:18:18 AM
You can't blame the kid for choosing Purdue and one sure cant compare his situation with the Drew thing. Remember there was also the Rob Hummel and the other big guy Martin from VHS who both chose Purdue over Valpo. Hummel was even a ball ball at the ARC when Homer coached. As the story goes, Rob called Homer before calling the Purdue coaches to announce he would indeed go to Purdue. It is not fair to judge our coaches' recruiting ability because the current VHS kid chose PU over Valpo.
Agreed. It is what it is. We've lost a few guys to Purdue the last few seasons. I never really saw Newman as a attainable recruit when he blew up so it wasn't too much of a gut punch. Losing Sasha Stefanovic to Purdue was me because it felt like Valpo was at the 1 yard line in his recruitment and then Purdue swooped in at the last minute and he signed with them and redshirted last season.
Quote from: Valpo2013 on December 10, 2018, 10:23:54 AM
450 k or multi million???
Tough choice I'm sure
As for the Bryce situation I feel like we're beating a deadhorse on this one. He's making millions at Vandy in the sec and earning life changing $, top notch facilities, unlimited recruiting resources (private jet), etc. I'm happy for him. I think he still has a ton of love for Valpo in his heart but he had to do what was best for his family and career. I'm not a diehard Vandy fan but I root for the coaching staff and I'm happy when they succeed.
Quote from: Valpo2013 on December 10, 2018, 10:23:54 AM
450 k or multi million???
Tough choice I'm sure
We aren't going to get those types of players here
Why would someone pick Valparaiso over Purdue?
No way
Full agreement here, Purdue is legit Top 20 for years. We shouldn't be expecting to land their top recruit.
Sasha was an example of them losing out on higher level recruits and taking on a heck of a shooter at our expense. I was frustrated there, but I get why high school kids want to reach higher.
The problem isn't losing kids to Purdue (though the key to being a top midmajor program is plucking away one or two of those P5-level guys every third or fourth class). The problem is when we're losing guys to A-10 programs, or other top Valley programs because our facilities are not on par.
Quote from: bigmosmithfan1 on December 10, 2018, 03:41:04 PM
The problem isn't losing kids to Purdue (though the key to being a top midmajor program is plucking away one or two of those P5-level guys every third or fourth class). The problem is when we're losing guys to A-10 programs, or other top Valley programs because our facilities are not on par.
Kids also don't necessarily want to go to college right in the same area that they went to high school either. That's actually the great thing about being a lot of these big named programs is that they typically aren't located where the talent actually is, so they can sell to the recruits that they're close enough to home for your parents to come and see a lot of games, but far enough away that you don't have to worry about the popping in on you.
Who all has Valpo been losing out to A-10 and Valley programs in the local area? I feel like for the most part that hasn't been the case, but I also don't follow this stuff for Valpo as closely as you guys do.
Quote from: IrishDawg on December 10, 2018, 03:55:49 PM
Quote from: bigmosmithfan1 on December 10, 2018, 03:41:04 PM
The problem isn't losing kids to Purdue (though the key to being a top midmajor program is plucking away one or two of those P5-level guys every third or fourth class). The problem is when we're losing guys to A-10 programs, or other top Valley programs because our facilities are not on par.
Kids also don't necessarily want to go to college right in the same area that they went to high school either. That's actually the great thing about being a lot of these big named programs is that they typically aren't located where the talent actually is, so they can sell to the recruits that they're close enough to home for your parents to come and see a lot of games, but far enough away that you don't have to worry about the popping in on you.
Who all has Valpo been losing out to A-10 and Valley programs in the local area? I feel like for the most part that hasn't been the case, but I also don't follow this stuff for Valpo as closely as you guys do.
I can't really think of too many examples but we did lose out of Chris Payton to SIU, but I think that mostly had to do with them having more playing time available right away. He also had a personal relationships with lot's of the kids going to or already at SIU from what I can tell.
I think facility improvements definitely could help out though with the recruiting pitch. Particularly AC... it's pretty mind-blowing and slightly embarrassing that we don't have AC in the ARC. Most D1 facilities and High Schools even has AC at their gyms. Thankfully the practice facility got that upgrade. We are touring kids around the ARC in the Summers and it must be cooking in there.
Maybe this is just my opinion but I feel like Valpo's main sell has always been that we were a fairly strong Mid-Major program and also our coaches were able to connect with the recruits. Bryce/Powell to AP. Gore to Sackey and the bigs. Diebler to Tevonn/Max. Powell really opened doors for us in the inner city and was able to navigate the CPL/AAU scene.
I wonder how many recruits know or even care if the ARC is air-conditioned. To be honest, until not too long ago I didn't even know that it was not.
Quote from: valpo64 on December 10, 2018, 05:49:37 PM
I wonder how many recruits know or even care if the ARC is air-conditioned. To be honest, until not too long ago I didn't even know that it was not.
There is no way you would know until the summer after your freshman year. Now that the practice facility is air-conditioned, that is no longer a concern. Ask Butler, their main arena isn't air-conditioned either. The argument is specious at a minimum.
Quote from: valpo64 on December 10, 2018, 05:49:37 PM
I wonder how many recruits know or even care if the ARC is air-conditioned. To be honest, until not too long ago I didn't even know that it was not.
As far as facilities, I believe that potential recruits look at and assess the following in rank order:
1 - team facility - locker room and support facilities in the BB wing like player lounge, lockers, etc.
2 - practice facility (Hilltop)
3 - game day arena impression
We have made big strides on 1 and 2. However, when it comes to #3 we let the air out of the balloon (unless a recruit visits at a sold out game when the place rocks). Here is where we lose out to our competitors. It's not the AC. You can always dismiss this in the summer visit. It's not the PA system. What player cares about that? It's not the bathrooms or concessions. It is the visual impact of the arena compared to every other MVC arena. These kids visualize themselves playing in front of their parents and fans in that arena. They mentally compare their potential playing environments. It is here where Valpo loses all but a few uniquely dedicated BB players ( AP, Javon as examples). It really is true that the ARC actually is less modern and attractive than quite a few Indiana HS gyms. Valpo has to take a major step to create a true college D-1 playing environment ( perhaps like Gentile and maxing out at under 5k) before it will be taken seriously as a legitimate player in the MVC scheme of things.
Quote from: vu72 on December 10, 2018, 08:19:35 PM
Quote from: valpo64 on December 10, 2018, 05:49:37 PM
I wonder how many recruits know or even care if the ARC is air-conditioned. To be honest, until not too long ago I didn't even know that it was not.
There is no way you would know until the summer after your freshman year. Now that the practice facility is air-conditioned, that is no longer a concern. Ask Butler, their main arena isn't air-conditioned either. The argument is specious at a minimum.
Bingo
Quote from: VULB#62 on December 10, 2018, 08:25:45 PM
Quote from: valpo64 on December 10, 2018, 05:49:37 PM
I wonder how many recruits know or even care if the ARC is air-conditioned. To be honest, until not too long ago I didn't even know that it was not.
As far as facilities, I beieve that potential recruits look at and assess the following in rank order:
1 - team facility - locker room and support facilities in the BB wing like player lounge, lockers, etc.
2 - practice facility (Hilltop)
3 - game day arena impression
We have made big strides on 1 and 2. However, when it comes to #3 we let the air out of the balloon (unless a recruit visits at a sold out game when the place rocks). Here is where we lose out to our competitors. It's not the AC. You can always dismiss this in the summer visit. It's not the PA system. What player cares about that? It's not the bathrooms or concessions. It is the visual impact of the arena compared to every other MVC arena. These kids visualize themselves playing in front of their parents and fans in that arena. They mentally compare their potential playing environments. It is here where Valpo loses all but a few uniquely dedicated BB players ( AP, Javon as examples). It really is true that the ARC actually is less modern and attractive than quite a few Indiana HS gyms. Valpo has to take a major step to create a true college D-1 playing environment ( perhaps like Gentile and maxing out at under 5k) before it will be taken seriously as a legitimate player in the MVC scheme of things.
So, are you saying that's what happened to the giant Crusader??
I'm amazed it only took 22 pages for this thread to be hijacked into a facilities thread 🤷♂️
Quote from: EddieCabot on December 10, 2018, 08:46:22 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on December 10, 2018, 08:25:45 PM
Quote from: valpo64 on December 10, 2018, 05:49:37 PM
I wonder how many recruits know or even care if the ARC is air-conditioned. To be honest, until not too long ago I didn't even know that it was not.
As far as facilities, I beieve that potential recruits look at and assess the following in rank order:
1 - team facility - locker room and support facilities in the BB wing like player lounge, lockers, etc.
2 - practice facility (Hilltop)
3 - game day arena impression
We have made big strides on 1 and 2. However, when it comes to #3 we let the air out of the balloon (unless a recruit visits at a sold out game when the place rocks). Here is where we lose out to our competitors. It's not the AC. You can always dismiss this in the summer visit. It's not the PA system. What player cares about that? It's not the bathrooms or concessions. It is the visual impact of the arena compared to every other MVC arena. These kids visualize themselves playing in front of their parents and fans in that arena. They mentally compare their potential playing environments. It is here where Valpo loses all but a few uniquely dedicated BB players ( AP, Javon as examples). It really is true that the ARC actually is less modern and attractive than quite a few Indiana HS gyms. Valpo has to take a major step to create a true college D-1 playing environment ( perhaps like Gentile and maxing out at under 5k) before it will be taken seriously as a legitimate player in the MVC scheme of things.
So, are you saying that's what happened to the giant Crusader??
ABSOLUTELY! :rotfl:
Quote from: M on December 10, 2018, 09:17:11 PM
I'm amazed it only took 22 pages for this thread to be hijacked into a facilities thread 🤷♂️
Not hijacked, but evolved into one of the more glaring issues with regard to "Recruiting 2019" ..... and following years.
Facilities didn't cost us Newman...thats just ridiculous. Regardless, I'm proud of you guys for letting this thread go this long before taking it to facilities. :lol: :thumbsup:
AMEN!
Quote from: M on December 11, 2018, 11:00:17 AM
Facilities didn't cost us Newman...thats just ridiculous. Regardless, I'm proud of you guys for letting this thread go this long before taking it to facilities. :lol: :thumbsup:
Absolutely correct. Valpo, IMO, never had a chance once the B1G boys came a calling. It would be interesting to do a post recruitment assessment of players who appear to be more within our range (e.g., Bediako, Skogman) and find out what contributed to their decision regardless if they come to Valpo or not.
That would be nice for sure!
Quote from: VULB#62 on December 11, 2018, 11:28:32 AM
Quote from: M on December 11, 2018, 11:00:17 AM
Facilities didn't cost us Newman...thats just ridiculous. Regardless, I'm proud of you guys for letting this thread go this long before taking it to facilities. :lol: :thumbsup:
Absolutely correct. Valpo, IMO, never had a chance once the B1G boys came a calling. It would be interesting to do a post recruitment assessment of players who appear to be more within our range (e.g., Bediako, Skogman) and find out what contributed to their decision regardless if they come to Valpo or not.
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You can do that with the current roster. Guys like Gordon, Fezekas and Robinson, Evelyn and Freeman. Or, from previous years, guys like Hammink, Burton, Peters, Carter and many others. Guys who decided to go to a "higher level" only to return when given the chance. Freeman and Peters of course could have gone to a much higher level.
Quote from: VULB#62 on December 11, 2018, 11:28:32 AM
Quote from: M on December 11, 2018, 11:00:17 AM
Facilities didn't cost us Newman...thats just ridiculous. Regardless, I'm proud of you guys for letting this thread go this long before taking it to facilities. :lol: :thumbsup:
Absolutely correct. Valpo, IMO, never had a chance once the B1G boys came a calling. It would be interesting to do a post recruitment assessment of players who appear to be more within our range (e.g., Bediako, Skogman) and find out what contributed to their decision regardless if they come to Valpo or not.
Quote from: M on December 11, 2018, 11:43:04 AM
That would be nice for sure!
Following up on this idea......
When assessing any recruit's decision process certain factors must come into play. I'm sure each player has a list of factors and that each factor is weighed diferently by each individual. So here's my recruit's generic laundry list of factors (in no particular order) that could play into the commitment decision:
THE PROGRAM
Recruiting relationship with the coaching staff
Offensive / defensive systems
Opportunity for playing time
Conference affiliation
Competitive OOC schedule/exposure
History of basketball success
Recent Won/Loss record
THE SCHOOL
Academic reputation of the school
Availability of desired course of study
Proximity to home
Campus environment
Enrollment size
THE FACILITIES
Team facilities
Arena
What else should be on the list?
Quote from: vu72 on December 11, 2018, 11:49:22 AM
Quote from: VULB#62 on December 11, 2018, 11:28:32 AM
Quote from: M on December 11, 2018, 11:00:17 AM
Facilities didn't cost us Newman...thats just ridiculous. Regardless, I'm proud of you guys for letting this thread go this long before taking it to facilities. :lol: :thumbsup:
Absolutely correct. Valpo, IMO, never had a chance once the B1G boys came a calling. It would be interesting to do a post recruitment assessment of players who appear to be more within our range (e.g., Bediako, Skogman) and find out what contributed to their decision regardless if they come to Valpo or not.
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You can do that with the current roster. Guys like Gordon, Fezekas and Robinson, Evelyn and Freeman. Or, from previous years, guys like Hammink, Burton, Peters, Carter and many others. Guys who decided to go to a "higher level" only to return when given the chance. Freeman and Peters of course could have gone to a much higher level.
Spot on for the players who wound up at Valpo. But it would be really good, perhaps even more beneficial, to poll the ones we lost to find out where we fell short. My thought being that hearing why guys came to Valpo equates to hearing good things about yourself. Why change? However, finding out the "not-so-good" things that disqualified us often helps to encourage self improvement.
Quote from: VULB#62 on December 11, 2018, 12:07:32 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on December 11, 2018, 11:28:32 AM
Quote from: M on December 11, 2018, 11:00:17 AM
Facilities didn't cost us Newman...thats just ridiculous. Regardless, I'm proud of you guys for letting this thread go this long before taking it to facilities. :lol: :thumbsup:
Absolutely correct. Valpo, IMO, never had a chance once the B1G boys came a calling. It would be interesting to do a post recruitment assessment of players who appear to be more within our range (e.g., Bediako, Skogman) and find out what contributed to their decision regardless if they come to Valpo or not.
Quote from: M on December 11, 2018, 11:43:04 AM
That would be nice for sure!
Following up on this idea......
When assessing any recruit's decision process certain factors must come into play. I'm sure each player has a list of factors and that each factor is weighed diferently by each individual. So here's my recruit's generic laundry list of factors [(in no particular order) that could play into the commitment decision: [On second thought, I gave a try at ranking what I thought recruits would value within the categories]
THE PROGRAM
(1a) Recruiting relationship with the coaching staff
(3) Offensive / defensive systems
(1b) Opportunity for playing time
(4) Conference affiliation
(5) Competitive OOC schedule/exposure
(6) History of basketball success
(2) Recent Won/Loss record
THE SCHOOL
(3b) Academic reputation of the school
(3a) Availability of desired course of study
(2) Proximity to home
(1) Campus environment
(4) Enrollment size
THE FACILITIES
(1) Team facilities
(2) Arena
What else should be on the list?
I might also suggest that by category what the rank order would be -- but with varying degrees of cross-over factors between categories depending on the individual:
(1) THE PROGRAM
(2) THE FACILITIES
(3) THE SCHOOL
Thoughts?
In 2019 recruiting news...Bediako just posted on Twitter he chose Santa Clara.
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In 2019 recruiting news...Bediako just posted on Twitter he chose Santa Clara.
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Quote from: vufan75 on December 11, 2018, 12:54:31 PM
In 2019 recruiting news...Bediako just posted on Twitter he chose Santa Clara.
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That's okay, of the recruits mentioned thus far, I'm hoping for Skogman.
Skogman or bust!
When recruiting against California schools, don't schedule campus visits in the winter. 8-)
I'm not sure if we ever even offered Bediako. How interested were we really? I just hope that doesn't come back to bite us. I really hope we land Skogman.
Who are the remaining "live ones" yet unsigned that we have offered or are in the running to land?
Who are the remaining unsigned recruits that we have an interest in or who we hope to land?
I think Skogman might be the beginning and the end of that list which is really worrisome.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on December 11, 2018, 02:10:09 PM
I'm not sure if we ever even offered Bediako. How interested were we really? I just hope that doesn't come back to bite us. I really hope we land Skogman.
I don't know if we had a situation of preferring recruit A over recruit B situation, but it sounds like there was a real interest being shown. He used one of his official visits on us.
Definitely sounds like the coaches love Skogman. I really like Bediako's game because he seems like he has a very high upside on defense and the offense was starting to emerge. Bediako sounds like a Center and Skogman coule possibly play PF and C. He may be a better fit with Smits/Sorolla next season if he did commit here. He definitely has a nice 3pt shot for a big guy.
Kind of wish we had 2 scholarships available. Bediako felt like he was going to be another Vashil. Players like Vashil aren't easy to find. Also I think he and Skogman would have complimented each other well as a nice inside outside pair in the frontcourt with good rebounding and defense. That said the path to playing time just wasn't there right away for Bediako and it's easier to see that path for Skogman. I really hope we land him.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on December 11, 2018, 03:46:06 PM
Kind of wish we had 2 scholarships available. Bediako felt like he was going to be another Vashil. Players like Vashil aren't easy to find. Also I think he and Skogman would have complimented each other well as a nice inside outside pair in the frontcourt with good rebounding and defense. That said the path to playing time just wasn't there right away for Bediako and it's easier to see that path for Skogman. I really hope we land him.
Agreed it would have been nice. Bediako has a young brother named Charles who is in the class of 2021, so you never know. Maybe we recruit his brother in that massive 2021 recruiting class.
Can we assume at this point due to the complete lack of buzz over any 2019 recruit that the likelihood is we pick up a freshman transfer after the season? Sit out a year and play as a sophomore in 2020? I think this huge junior class and 2 good transfers on the bench are scaring away all potential game changer recruits because no really good player is going to want to be low man on the totem poll for next year. Get a good transfer that gets to practice with the team for a year, learn the system, and still becomes a member of the 2019 class. Seems like we will get a better player that way.
If we keep winning we will get a quality 2019 recruit. Skogman has not committed yet. Would you rather play on a bad team as a freshman or sit a bit as a freshman learning the college game on a great team? Also, some of our players may not be back. Micah as a medical red shirt and Derrick as a graduate transfer. Hoping Javon is recruiting like Ayo did at Illinois.
If we don't get Skogman or if there is another opening, I believe Valpo will explore the possibility of a JUCO player.
Don't know about Bediako possibly being another Vashil. Bediako looks overweight and can barely jump.
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 15, 2019, 09:59:37 AM
Don't know about Bediako possibly being another Vashil. Bediako looks overweight and can barely jump.
Things like weight and strength are generally not a problem in college. Look at Cameron Krutwig. He lost something close to 50 pounds from high school to college by dieting and working with the strength and conditioning coach.
wingspan cant be changed and it looked like Vashil's is much greater than Bediako. I just don't see it.
Why are we talking about Bediako? He has committed to Santa Clara on December 11th.
I know we've discussed Emmanuel Akot in the past on this message board. He's good friends with Daniel Sackey. It's a pipe dream
https://twitter.com/evandaniels/status/1085004336420261888?s=21
Quote from: VU2014 on January 15, 2019, 05:03:15 PM
I know we've discussed Emmanuel Akot in the past on this message board. He's good friends with Daniel Sackey. It's a pipe dream
https://twitter.com/evandaniels/status/1085004336420261888?s=21
I don't know if he'll land here, but I don't think it's a pipe dream at all. His situation stat-wise/Star-wise isn't much different than Eron's.
Quote from: wh on January 15, 2019, 05:15:54 PMI don't know if he'll land here, but I don't think it's a pipe dream at all. His situation stat-wise/Star-wise isn't much different than Eron's.
Hmmm. I'd much rather talk about Akot than Bediako. :thumbsup: My memory is that we were looking at him long before we signed Sackey so who knows? A victory tonight over a final 4 team might even help with his thinking.
Two Valpo recruits.
https://twitter.com/Evan_Flood/status/1085636737622257664
WAUKESHA, Wis. -- Wisconsin assistant coaches Joe Krabbenhoft and Howard Moore watched Waukesha (Wis.) West 2019 F/C David Skogman and 2021 guard Cameron Palesse on Tuesday.
Palesse scored a game-high 21 points to lead the Wolverines past Racine Case. The 6-foot-4, 175-pound sophomore is receiving interest from Wisconsin, LIU-Brooklyn, Valparaiso, Southern Illinois, Portland, and others.
Palessee visited Madison in November during the exhibition win over UW-Oshkosh.
"It was crazy," Palesse told Badger247. "I would love to play there some day. I've never experienced a game quite like that. Even though it was a preseason game, it was still packed in there."
Skogman, an unsigned senior, has offers from Texas Tech, Rutgers, and a host of mid-major programs.
Forced to leave the game early after being scratched in the eye, Skogman tallied 10 points, 7 rebounds, and 3 blocks. Skogman is averaging 18.8 points, and 13.5 rebounds per game this season.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S25jaUud4z0
Not really sure where to put this because Brandon Newman is firmingly committed to Purdue but we've discussed him a lot of this thread.
Brandon is a special kid and he spends a lot of time training at the ARC. I wish him well and hope he finds a ton of success in College and hopefully beyond.
https://www.instagram.com/dreadedupg5123vct_w_/p/BsuMmNRBBnu/
https://twitter.com/dreadedupg/status/1085752072522260480?s=21
Valpo born and bred. Wish him the absolute best.
That being said, someone get that key from him.
Why, as a private university, would someone that is not tied to the university, be allowed to practice in our gym? Was this time paid for as some type of private lesson?
Quote from: valpotx on January 17, 2019, 02:42:43 AM
Why, as a private university, would someone that is not tied to the university, be allowed to practice in our gym? Was this time paid for as some type of private lesson?
Do you really care if a local kid gets some shots up at the gym? Not a big deal. I'm pretty sure they got the green light to use the gym whenever it's available.
Quote from: valpotx on January 17, 2019, 02:42:43 AM
Why, as a private university, would someone that is not tied to the university, be allowed to practice in our gym? Was this time paid for as some type of private lesson?
I agree
Facilities were always hard to come by for those of us that tried to get in some rec time-that were PAYING students
Why the free for all with locals?
Quote from: VU2014 on January 17, 2019, 07:37:24 AM
Quote from: valpotx on January 17, 2019, 02:42:43 AM
Why, as a private university, would someone that is not tied to the university, be allowed to practice in our gym? Was this time paid for as some type of private lesson?
Do you really care if a local kid gets some shots up at the gym? Not a big deal. I'm pretty sure they got the green light to use the gym whenever it's available.
Where does it end
If you let one in then many more will follow
Soon the place gets torn up or worse...someone gets hurt and sues the school
Send them to the YMCA
my guess is that it's not really "open to everyone" but they probably want to develop a good relationship with perhaps the high school and coach and want to be a positive place in player's minds. Yeah Newman is going to Purdue but he's also a good way to get Purdue to the Arc and, if his first year or so doesn't go as planned you may be pretty happy you didn't ban him from the gym when he turned down your offer.
Quote from: VU2014 on January 17, 2019, 07:37:24 AM
Quote from: valpotx on January 17, 2019, 02:42:43 AM
Why, as a private university, would someone that is not tied to the university, be allowed to practice in our gym? Was this time paid for as some type of private lesson?
Do you really care if a local kid gets some shots up at the gym? Not a big deal. I'm pretty sure they got the green light to use the gym whenever it's available.
Not only should we not object, it's a smart strategy in the event there's a second chance recruiting opportunity down the road. Valpo High graduates Dave Redmon, Casey Schmidt, Robbie Hummel and Scott Martin continued to drop by the ARC after they committed to other schools and when they were home on breaks to shoot in private or play in pre-arranged pickup games with other talented college players and ex-players from around the area. Homer welcomed every one with open arms as only he could. When things didn't work out for Casey (Arizona) and Dave (Arkansas-Little Rock) they transferred to Valpo and changed the course of history for the program. Both are in the Athletic Hall of Fame. Neither Hummel or Martin transferred to Valpo, but when Martin transferred from Purdue, his final 2 choices were Valpo and ND. He chose ND and started at forward for 2 powerhouse teams in his final 2 years.
The moral of the story - don't burn bridges with local players. You never know what the future might hold.
I want as many talented players in the region playing at our gym, by the way Hilltop is a basketball practice facility, refurbished for basketball. You want players in there competing against our players, having fun in pick up games and developing relationships. Wherever a good game is, is where you find players. Let Valpo U be THE PLACE in the Region for those workouts and games.
Quote from: Valpo2013 on January 17, 2019, 08:36:29 AM
Quote from: VU2014 on January 17, 2019, 07:37:24 AM
Quote from: valpotx on January 17, 2019, 02:42:43 AM
Why, as a private university, would someone that is not tied to the university, be allowed to practice in our gym? Was this time paid for as some type of private lesson?
Do you really care if a local kid gets some shots up at the gym? Not a big deal. I'm pretty sure they got the green light to use the gym whenever it's available.
Where does it end
If you let one in then many more will follow
Soon the place gets torn up or worse...someone gets hurt and sues the school
Send them to the YMCA
Great idea, run off all region players (on this matter). Even if we presently have (2) transfers sitting out this year who presumably felt the "we are family" vibe from Valpo throughout their high school recruiting process.
And yes, it's borederline a stretch to call Chicago and Indy "region" locations but it's a prime example of what an open door policy can cultivate...
This guys opinion anyways.
VHS coach Barak Coolman and Matt Lottich also have a good relationship.
I used to sneak into the ARC/Hilltop to play when I was in high school or home from IU. Not a big deal.
If we nabbed a recruit from WL would Painter let him use their practice facility?
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on January 17, 2019, 11:34:08 AMIf we nabbed a recruit from WL would Painter let him use their practice facility?
If that door was open prior to commitment then yes that door would stay open. WL and Purdue are a tightly knit community just like VU and VHS.
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on January 17, 2019, 11:34:08 AM
If we nabbed a recruit from WL would Painter let him use their practice facility?
Comparing a B1G10 power to Valpo doesn't compute. Sorry. This seems quite vindictive to a kid that did nothing wrong to Valpo, no?
I get the creation of goodwill, but the fact is that they don't pay towards the school in any way, and it is a private university. If you are a student paying fees to use the ARC, would you find it fair that folks can come in and use it for free?
Quote from: valpotx on January 17, 2019, 03:45:01 PM
I get the creation of goodwill, but the fact is that they don't pay towards the school in any way, and it is a private university. If you are a student paying fees to use the ARC, would you find it fair that folks can come in and use it for free?
They already don't show up to the ARC, so this whole convo is all to do about nothing.
Good stuff!
Any word on Akot? Has Valpo registered interest in him? Do we know who's in on him?
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on January 18, 2019, 08:06:19 PM
Any word on Akot? Has Valpo registered interest in him? Do we know who's in on him?
Haven't heard but I'd hope they would and I'd hope Daniel would make a solid recruiting pitch for us. He's a SF which, just so happens to be a serious position of need for us in 2020-2021 season which is also when he'd be eligible again. I'm thinking our coaches will definitely reach out though.
He is going to be a highly coveted transfer. Just because he didn't find great success at Arizona doesn't mean P5s won't come calling. He'd be a huge recruiting get for us. This total speculation on my part but I think Utah will be a contender because he nearly committed to them before eventually committing to Arizona.
The in-conference transfer issues might make a move to Utah hard but I'm sure there's always a workaround.
Akot is a 4.7 star recruit per verbal commits.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on January 18, 2019, 08:06:19 PM
Any word on Akot? Has Valpo registered interest in him?
:thumbsup:
Quote from: tiny707 on January 18, 2019, 08:28:39 PMAkot is a 4.7 star recruit per verbal commits.
You don't get that by accident. He would do great in the MVC if he chose to come here.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on January 18, 2019, 08:37:21 PM
Quote from: valpopal on January 18, 2019, 08:29:16 PMQuote from: VUGrad1314 on January 18, 2019, 08:06:19 PMAny word on Akot? Has Valpo registered interest in him?
:thumbsup:
That's exciting! Visit coming soon?
It certainly doesn't hurt that Daniel has become a starter and bypassed older, more experienced/established players in the process. That sends a message to a potential recruit that despite a ton of returning players playing time is up for grabs.
Why did Emmanuel Akot choose to leave the Arizona Wildcats now?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/tucson.com/sports/arizonawildcats/basketball/pascoe/why-did-emmanuel-akot-choose-to-leave-the-arizona-wildcats/article_ea4ef532-1927-11e9-a917-a7d48b25ce0c.amp.html
Quote from: wh on January 21, 2019, 02:18:23 AM
Why did Emmanuel Akot choose to leave the Arizona Wildcats now?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/tucson.com/sports/arizonawildcats/basketball/pascoe/why-did-emmanuel-akot-choose-to-leave-the-arizona-wildcats/article_ea4ef532-1927-11e9-a917-a7d48b25ce0c.amp.html
Having watched some of his highlight tapes, this is a very confident young man. He's interested in show boating after his dunks which by itself is "meh".
I'd be most interested to see if he's a fit with our basketball culture first and foremost. Someone earlier said it best that our program is a team effort whereas some programs have perennial conference player of the year candidates. I think we fared better with athletes who are one step down from this but can play in a team system.
https://youtu.be/H5hdmNel6R4 (https://youtu.be/H5hdmNel6R4)
Akot represents the perfect kind of transfer we are looking for our 1 scholarship next year (assuming no transfers). A forward who sits next year and has 2 years of eligibility remaining right when graduation hits us hard. It doesn't have to be this guy, but a guy like this is who we should be looking for.
I will say the fact that he didn't play out the year for his team and then transfer is a bit concerning, but with talent like that you would be willing to roll the dice and hope he conforms in his year on the practice team.
This is another example of where winning helps. I said we needed to go at least 11-7 to get enough buzz going to keep any of our studs from exploring grad transfers. Same goes for recruiting. If we somehow stay in the top 3 in the MVC this year that keeps our current players excited and might make an elite transfer excited to join up as well, especially if they know they are likely to be "the guy" after a big graduation of successful seniors.
Wisconsin and Minnesota are keeping tabs on Skogman's recruitment. Rutgers has also offered. I think he's probably a long shot to sign with VU but worth providing an update.
https://twitter.com/McNamaraRivals/status/1089201239450103808
Quote from: VU2014 on January 27, 2019, 04:24:04 PM
Wisconsin and Minnesota are keeping tabs on Skogman's recruitment. Rutgers has also offered. I think he's probably a long shot to sign with VU but worth providing an update.
https://twitter.com/McNamaraRivals/status/1089201239450103808
and there is the Minnesota offer
https://twitter.com/dskogman42/status/1089694143088128001
Time to put the eggs in the Akot basket and hope that Sackey and the coaching staff can bring him here?
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on January 27, 2019, 08:37:01 PM
Time to put the eggs in the Akot basket and hope that Sackey and the coaching staff can bring him here?
Next year's team should be pretty stacked as is. Minutes for an incoming freshman will probably be pretty limited. Akot, on the other hand, would have the whole year to practice with the team and develop his game (especially his shooting), and prepare for a huge redshirt junior year, along with future stars Javon and Daniel. THAT would be a 3-headed monster for 2 hopefully memorable years.
Quote from: wh on January 27, 2019, 09:31:28 PM
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on January 27, 2019, 08:37:01 PM
Time to put the eggs in the Akot basket and hope that Sackey and the coaching staff can bring him here?
Next year's team should be pretty stacked as is. Minutes for an incoming freshman will probably be pretty limited. Akot, on the other hand, would have the whole year to practice with the team and develop his game (especially his shooting), and prepare for a huge redshirt junior year, along with future stars Javon and Daniel. THAT would be a 3-headed monster for 2 hopefully memorable years.
I'd like Akot as well but if there happens to be a transfer and scholarships frees up I'd like it to go to a freshman center. Use next season as "grooming" period for the Center of the future. Life after Smits and Sorolla at the Center position could have a lot of growing pains if we hand the keys to a freshman... Remember the Smits and Sorolla's freshman/Sophomore seasons? Let's try and mitigate the rebuild at that position. That may have been the game plan with Bediako but he chose to go to Santa Clara.
A dude who got an offer from Arizona is not coming here. Period. End of Story. (Unless his name is Casey.)
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on January 27, 2019, 09:43:00 PM
A dude who got an offer from Arizona is not coming here. Period. End of Story. (Unless his name is Casey.)
It's unlikely but it's not impossible. It all depends on what the kid wants. It may help having his friend Daniel Sackey on the team. It at least may get us a look. We also could offer him immediate playing time when he'd be eligible again. If our Coaches could build a relationship with him, you never know.
Quote from: VU2014 on January 27, 2019, 09:46:48 PM
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on January 27, 2019, 09:43:00 PM
A dude who got an offer from Arizona is not coming here. Period. End of Story. (Unless his name is Casey.)
It's unlikely but it's not impossible. It all depends on what the kid wants. It may help having his friend Daniel Sackey on the team. It at least may get us a look. We also could offer him immediate playing time when he'd be eligible again. If our Coaches could build a relationship with him, you never know.
Cmon man
Cheesehead is spot on
You really think anyone would come to Valpo over Arizona?
Unreal
Quote from: Valpo2013 on January 28, 2019, 08:16:33 AMQuote from: VU2014 on January 27, 2019, 09:46:48 PMQuote from: NativeCheesehead on January 27, 2019, 09:43:00 PMA dude who got an offer from Arizona is not coming here. Period. End of Story. (Unless his name is Casey.)
It's unlikely but it's not impossible. It all depends on what the kid wants. It may help having his friend Daniel Sackey on the team. It at least may get us a look. We also could offer him immediate playing time when he'd be eligible again. If our Coaches could build a relationship with him, you never know.
Cmon man Cheesehead is spot on You really think anyone would come to Valpo over Arizona? Unreal
He already left Arizona... I wonder what his list of schools is...
This young man prolly made more money last year at Arizona than our head coach.
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on January 27, 2019, 09:43:00 PM
A dude who got an offer from Arizona is not coming here. Period. End of Story. (Unless his name is Casey.)
Sure, he wouldn't come to Valpo out of high school if he had an offer from Arizona but neither did Casey. We have a long list of guys who had and accepted offers from Majors and then came to Valpo. You need not look back any further than Joe Burton.
We've got two of them playing right now in Fazekas (Providence) and Evelyn (Nebraska) and another sitting out his redshirt year in Eron Gordon (Seton Hall)
Past players include:
Will Bogan (Ole Miss)
Ben Boggs (Virginia Tech)
Shane Hammink (LSU)
Cory Johnson (Iowa State)
And I'm sure I'm forgetting a bunch. We have a long history of P5\BE transfers playing big roles on the team and that doesn't even mention
Brandon Wood (SIU) Keith Carter (SLU) Deion Lavender (UAB) and Nick Robinson (St Joseph's currently sitting out) as transfers from upper mid major leagues that have made\are making\will make significant impacts.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on January 28, 2019, 02:02:30 PM
We've got two of them playing right now in Fazekas (Providence) and Evelyn (Nebraska) and another sitting out his redshirt year in Eron Gordon (Seton Hall)
Past players include:
Will Bogan (Ole Miss)
Ben Boggs (Virginia Tech)
Shane Hammink (LSU)
Cory Johnson (Iowa State)
And I'm sure I'm forgetting a bunch. We have a long history of P5\BE transfers playing big roles on the team and that doesn't even mention
Brandon Wood (SIU) Keith Carter (SLU) Deion Lavender (UAB) and Nick Robinson (St Joseph's currently sitting out) as transfers from upper mid major leagues that have made\are making\will make significant impacts.
Calum MacLeod Gonzaga
Mousse Gueye Alabama
E. Victor Nickerson Charolette
Bobby Capobianco Indiana
Alex Rossi Cal
After watching our three point shooting suck game after game (absent Fazekus) could we recruit one pure three point shooter from somewhere? I mean atheletes are great and all but there is a role for a pure shooter in this game yet other than Fazekus and Peters before him and Rowdy before him, we don't seem to value them. Yet for mid majors, that is the great equalizer when playing high major teams. If we have one every four year cycle we are lucky.
Find a couple of pure shooters each recruiting cycle. It will give your athletes room to do what they do if someone has to guard our guys on the perimeter. And if we happen to have a big who can catch the ball in the post without turning it over every time, and maybe making a pass or two, so much the better.
One of the big problems I've noticed lately is when we are late in the shot clock, the ball ends up in the hands of someone who can't shoot worth a damn. How is it our sets regularly manage to find the guys who can't shoot when the clock is winding down?
Quote from: nkvu on January 30, 2019, 01:01:19 AMOne of the big problems I've noticed lately is when we are late in the shot clock, the ball ends up in the hands of someone who can't shoot worth a damn. How is it our sets regularly manage to find the guys who can't shoot when the clock is winding down?
I would guess that that would be a priority for the defenses of the teams we play.
By the way, who are our guys who can shoot from the outside?
https://twitter.com/scottybscout/status/1091904417723490304
https://twitter.com/scottybscout/status/1091484086026321920
https://twitter.com/DonovanClay11/status/1081835431757598720
https://twitter.com/DonovanClay11/status/1074667752374329345
https://www.hudl.com/video/3/8663096/5c2783d15b3d2e06748e4d09
https://www.hudl.com/video/3/8663096/5c34660f6e8b35105c04e8fc
https://www.hudl.com/video/3/8663096/5c447fd1665595122010c961
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qOLYFz81M4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ixn3y_FeQpI
https://twitter.com/GregShashack/status/1081781278612049921
It sounds like Valpo may have found a late bloomer. It sounds like he had a late growth spurt. Interesting to hear he was considered a top JUCO prospect and now he committed to VU. One thing that really stands out to me (my untrained eyes) from watch just a little tape is that he has some natural rebounding abilities. He skies for rebounds. From his social media he seem very much a team first kid. Sounds like a 3 & D guy.
I think his high school team Alton is class 4A in Illinois. That is down south (close to St. Louis). Central and Southern Illinois gets pretty under-recruited and under-reported about because the Chicago Public League sucks up most of the attention. Potentially a diamond in the rough?
Can he shoot it from deep?
https://twitter.com/joehoopsreport/status/1091929177970872321
Sounds like Donovan has everything we're looking for. Can't wait to see him in a Crusader uniform! I like that his team was involved in a brawl with a rival team, some of their players got suspended, and Donovan still carried his team to victory with a dominating performance. That's called picking up the slack when you're short handed. BTW a little brawling is not always a bad thing.
Since he was labeled a top JUCO prospect, do we presume he will redshirt his freshman year to grow into his body?
Donovan Clay is from Alton, IL the same town that Deion Lavender is from. It's a bit north of St. Louis directly on the Mississippi River and near the confluence of the Mississippi and Missouri Rivers. It's also the home of Fast Eddie's Bon Air.
https://www.fasteddiesbonair.com/legend.html
Quote from: bbtds on February 03, 2019, 05:11:28 AM
Donovan Clay is from Alton, IL the same town that Deion Lavender is from. It's a bit north of St. Louis directly on the Mississippi River and near the confluence of the Mississippi and Missouri Rivers. It's also the home of Fast Eddie's Bon Air.
https://www.fasteddiesbonair.com/legend.html
Earlier someone listed him as 6'6" or 6'7" I believe. Was reading this article where he's listed as 6'3" from just November...what's up?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.bnd.com/sports/high-school/article221614480.html (https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.bnd.com/sports/high-school/article221614480.html)
Lol that's what I was confused about - he grew 4 inches since November???
What are reasons kids go juco:
Grades
Looking for higher level offer
Mature their body
Am I missing anything?
How many years of eligibility will he have left? That article looks like it was written in January this year and talks about him being a senior so I'm unsure
Quote from: valpolaw on February 03, 2019, 08:51:18 AM
How many years of eligibility will he have left? That article looks like it was written in January this year and talks about him being a senior so I'm unsure
I think he'll have 4 years and he'll be a true freshman.
I sounds like the plan was for him to go JUCO because he was fairly under-radar till recently.
Looks like he'll make a great addition. Also signals that we're not getting Akot (not that we really had much of a chance anyway) and since this closes out 2019 we can now turn our focus to 2020.
I don't know that it necessarily closes out the 2019 class. You got to believe one or two guys currently on the team are going to transfer.
Quote from: nkvu on January 30, 2019, 01:01:19 AMOne of the big problems I've noticed lately is when we are late in the shot clock, the ball ends up in the hands of someone who can't shoot worth a damn. How is it our sets regularly manage to find the guys who can't shoot when the clock is winding down?
Because it's a lot easier finding an open guy who can't shoot on this roster than it is finding a guy who can shoot. Right now, without Fazekas, there's no reliable option.
Quote from: bbtds on February 03, 2019, 05:11:28 AM
Donovan Clay is from Alton, IL the same town that Deion Lavender is from. It's a bit north of St. Louis directly on the Mississippi River and near the confluence of the Mississippi and Missouri Rivers. It's also the home of Fast Eddie's Bon Air.
https://www.fasteddiesbonair.com/legend.html
Also, home to this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Wadlow
An article on Donovan Clay written in early January. Apparently he did grow 4 inches last summer. He is 6-7.
https://m.riverbender.com/articles/details.cfm?id=32914
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Wow! If he can play the point in college, that could make a huge impact for us. When was the last time we had a 6'7" point? Ali Berdiel.
Nickerson was that tall and ran point quite a bit.
I'm just hoping he is a solid and consistent shooter from outside! We sure need that ability added to the roster going forward. He should have pretty good guard skills since his big growth spurt was pretty recent.
Donovan Clay is getting nice compliments on Twitter from his neighbor it seems. Sounds like we may have found a sleeper with upside. If you are on Twitter check out @BarryWaller61 tweets about Mr. Clay.
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Quote from: vufan75 on February 03, 2019, 02:37:28 PM
I'm just hoping he is a solid and consistent shooter from outside! We sure need that ability added to the roster going forward. He should have pretty good guard skills since his big growth spurt was pretty recent.
Donovan Clay is getting nice compliments on Twitter from his neighbor it seems. Sounds like we may have found a sleeper with upside. If you are on Twitter check out @BarryWaller61 tweets about Mr. Clay.
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Gotta love this one:
He and Freeman are going to be a real force in a couple of years and maybe even next year and Donovan is quite a bit like Marcus Liberty, Freeman's Uncle,
except he shoots better
I'm excited we got a commitment. It does worry me though that he grew that much that quickly. I've never seen him play. But, the only comparison is Mileek who - if I'm not mistaken - also had a big growth spurt. My concern is if it takes him a while to get a feel for his body. Not sure? I wonder if it's more than a b-ball IQ thing for Mileek but also a him getting more comfortable in his size thing, Hence another reason for the fouls.
It sounds like this kid has better ball skills than mileek did and Mileek played out of position most of his time in college so I'm hoping the learning cure won't be as steep
If we don't have mass transfers after the season I see no reason why we couldn't redshirt this guy. Instead of going JUCO and then having 3 years he could practice with D1 players for a year and have 4 years. Given the growth spurt and the troubles we saw McMillan go through last year I think it would be good for him and for us. If he turns out to be a stud and transfers after 3 seasons so be it as that would have been his original graduation date anyway.
Quote from: SanityLost17 on February 04, 2019, 07:19:00 AM
If we don't have mass transfers after the season I see no reason why we couldn't redshirt this guy. Instead of going JUCO and then having 3 years he could practice with D1 players for a year and have 4 years. Given the growth spurt and the troubles we saw McMillan go through last year I think it would be good for him and for us. If he turns out to be a stud and transfers after 3 seasons so be it as that would have been his original graduation date anyway.
If he can help right away then I have no problem playing him as a true freshman. It sounds like he has a reputation as a pretty good defender. I understand the concern over the growth spurt and learning to adjust to the new found height but every guy is different. An encouraging sign is that he started to fill out his frame a little more in high school. Mileek didn't start to fill out till this summer. A lot of it has to do with basketball instincts. I'm not sure Mileek has them right now. If you watch him defend guys, he has "happy feet". His spacing and footwork on defense just seems to off and it leads to those silly fouls. I hindsight we should have probably red-shirted Parker and Mileek. Even Marty for that matter could have stood to use a RS to learn and get his body to lean out. Oh well.
Maybe they wish they could take a mulligan on that first recruiting class. I think Linssen could be a pretty good player still but he's at UNCW now. At least it looks like they hit on Freeman and Sackey. TBD on Clay, but there is some upside to like there for sure. What is going to be absolutely crucial is nailing that big 2020 class. We may not be done with this 2019 class if they anticipate a transfer or 2. We need to find the big men of the future for this team. I'm a little concerned handing the keys over to a true freshman center for the 2020-2021 season.
Quote from: VU2014 on February 04, 2019, 09:07:06 AM
Quote from: SanityLost17 on February 04, 2019, 07:19:00 AM
If we don't have mass transfers after the season I see no reason why we couldn't redshirt this guy. Instead of going JUCO and then having 3 years he could practice with D1 players for a year and have 4 years. Given the growth spurt and the troubles we saw McMillan go through last year I think it would be good for him and for us. If he turns out to be a stud and transfers after 3 seasons so be it as that would have been his original graduation date anyway.
If he can help right away then I have no problem playing him as a true freshman. It sounds like he has a reputation as a pretty good defender. I understand the concern over the growth spurt and learning to adjust to the new found height but every guy is different. An encouraging sign is that he started to fill out his frame a little more in high school. Mileek didn't start to fill out till this summer. A lot of it has to do with basketball instincts. I'm not sure Mileek has them right now. If you watch him defend guys, he has "happy feet". His spacing and footwork on defense just seems to off and it leads to those silly fouls. I hindsight we should have probably red-shirted Parker and Mileek. Even Marty for that matter could have stood to use a RS to learn and get his body to lean out. Oh well.
Maybe they wish they could take a mulligan on that first recruiting class. I think Linssen could be a pretty good player still but he's at UNCW now. At least it looks like they hit on Freeman and Sackey. TBD on Clay, but there is some upside to like there for sure. What is going to be absolutely crucial is nailing that big 2020 class. We may not be done with this 2019 class if they anticipate a transfer or 2. We need to find the big men of the future for this team. I'm a little concerned handing the keys over to a true freshman center for the 2020-2021 season.
I think the question is whether he'll be good enough as a freshman to earn meaningful playing time. Valpo will have 6 seniors, 4 juniors (including Micah) and 2 stud sophs next year. If Gordon and Robinson are as good as advertised and everyone else returns healthy, playing time may be difficult to come by.
Quote from: EddieCabot on February 04, 2019, 10:45:26 AMI think the question is whether he'll be good enough as a freshman to earn meaningful playing time. Valpo will have 6 seniors, 4 juniors (including Micah) and 2 stud sophs next year. If Gordon and Robinson are as good as advertised and everyone else returns healthy, playing time may be difficult to come by.
Perhaps, but, although adding Robinson will add some athletic size, we still will need another shooter. At 6'7" and given some of the video out there, this kid has a motor and shooting skill we desperately need.
The way this season is going downhill, I can't imagine PT for anyone is a guarantee next year. I also can't imagine we would be bringing Donovan in with the thought of red-shirting him. I would think Donovan and anyone else would get a fair chance to prove themselves and claim any available PT.
Check out this article about Donovan's team play against EJ Liddell, the reigning Illinois Mr. Basketball!
https://advantagenews.com/sports/boys-basketball-birds-ready-for-rematch-with-maroons/
It says in part:
Clay added 7 rebounds and 2 blocks to go with stellar defense on Ohio State recruit E.J. Liddell. He contained Liddell to 1-of-9 shooting and just 4 points in the first half.
"The way I played on E.J. was just discipline," Clay said. "I knew I couldn't foul him and ended up fouling him later, but I did what I could."
Alton head coach Eric Smith added of Clay, "Donovan is athletic, he's got length and he's tenacious. He sits down and competes. He's not going to lay down for him."
Quote from: vu72 on February 04, 2019, 02:28:32 PM
Check out this article about Donovan's team play against EJ Liddell, the reigning Illinois Mr. Basketball!
https://advantagenews.com/sports/boys-basketball-birds-ready-for-rematch-with-maroons/
It says in part:
Clay added 7 rebounds and 2 blocks to go with stellar defense on Ohio State recruit E.J. Liddell. He contained Liddell to 1-of-9 shooting and just 4 points in the first half.
"The way I played on E.J. was just discipline," Clay said. "I knew I couldn't foul him and ended up fouling him later, but I did what I could."
Alton head coach Eric Smith added of Clay, "Donovan is athletic, he's got length and he's tenacious. He sits down and competes. He's not going to lay down for him."
Impressive. Liddell is ranked #45 in the 2019 class by 247 Sports. Looks like Clay got the best of him again in their rematch.
https://www.thetelegraph.com/sports/article/PREP-BOYS-BASKETBALL-Alton-repeats-big-effort-13510282.php (https://www.thetelegraph.com/sports/article/PREP-BOYS-BASKETBALL-Alton-repeats-big-effort-13510282.php)
I want to see next year's team revolve around the following players: Freeman, Sackey, Golder, Fazekus, Gordon, Robinson, and now Clay.
If Derrik returns, play him, of course, along with Jay, but limit their minutes and change their roles dramatically. Use them to change up the offense or defense, if and when matchups dictate, but never again automatically award 40 of 200 team minutes to 2 guys who weigh the team down as often as they lift it up.
Quote from: wh on February 04, 2019, 04:17:31 PM
I want to see next year's team revolve around the following players: Freeman, Sackey, Golder, Fazekus, Gordon, Robinson, and now Clay.
If Derrik returns, play him, of course, along with Jay, but limit their minutes and change their roles dramatically. Use them to change up the offense or defense, if and when matchups dictate, but never again automatically award 40 of 200 team minutes to 2 guys who weigh the team down as often as they lift it up.
We're either going to ride or die with Smits & Sorolla. Both aren't perfect but have some strong points to their game. If Smits transfers it would leave this program in a very bad spot. Their role won't be shrinking unless we land some impact freshman or grad transfer which seems highly unlikely at this point.
Quote from: vu72 on February 04, 2019, 11:18:03 AM
Quote from: EddieCabot on February 04, 2019, 10:45:26 AMI think the question is whether he'll be good enough as a freshman to earn meaningful playing time. Valpo will have 6 seniors, 4 juniors (including Micah) and 2 stud sophs next year. If Gordon and Robinson are as good as advertised and everyone else returns healthy, playing time may be difficult to come by.
Perhaps, but, although adding Robinson will add some athletic size, we still will need another shooter. At 6'7" and given some of the video out there, this kid has a motor and shooting skill we desperately need.
If there is one thing I've come to accept with the last two years, it's that coach plays guys that aren't a liability (Kiser point in fact). I'm thinking if Clay can be a defensive juggernaut and improve our 3-pt shooting.....he's got a shot at solid minutes.
Quote from: crusader05 on February 04, 2019, 07:08:24 AM
It sounds like this kid has better ball skills than mileek did and Mileek played out of position most of his time in college so I'm hoping the learning cure won't be as steep
I'm willing to bet Mileek was not that great as a 6'3" SG before the growth spurt....not sure he ever put up consistent points like Clay is advertised as doing. Clay put up 25 against a monster of a team with EJ Liddell on it. I don't think we are talking apples to apples with the two players.
Also E Victor was horrendous at the point, I hope we never have another player with such poor (high dribbling turnover prone) handles running point for us again. He was a strong player for other reasons but certainly not a player I'd want our future PG to aspire. I'll take <6'0" PG all day long if it means less TO.
Well-said, Feelgoodie
That's exactly right ... he plays players who aren't a liability. For the most part. You've gotta wonder if everybody was healthy and Bakari was playing this bad if he'd be sitting.
My concern with this whole playing guys who aren't a liability is that there's a ceiling to it. Kiser - for instance - has a ceiling that's not D1 talent. D1 effort for sure. But there's a lot of times he purely gets out-played ... out-athleted.
I guess I'm surprised that we moved from the Horizon to the MVC (a MUCH BETTER conference) and are still at the point where we've gotta go for hoping we found the diamond in the ruff ya know? Like at what point do we get good midmajor level players to WANT to come here? Like ... right from the start? At what point do we get the in-state guy to stay home like we've seen elsewhere with UNI and others?
See what I'm saying? If we could get some solid guys to come right out high school and as transfers when in the Horizon, why can't we get that now that we're in a better conference with more media coverage?
I remember folks on this board saying our roster isn't full of mvc guys and to wait until that's the case.
Not sure I'd classify Clay as a future PG but it sounds like he could handle to ball when needed like e victor. either way it's nice to have guys who are versatile enough to play many roles on the court. If he could be a near 40% 3pt shooter, play good defense and rebound at that size he'll be an excellent contributor down the road. I won't expect much from him next season because I keep expectations for all incoming freshman pretty low.
Valparaiso notes: Versatile guard/forward Donovan Clay from downstate Illinois verbally commits
Michael Osipoff
Post-Tribune
February 4, 2019
https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/post-tribune/sports/ct-ptb-spt-mens-basketball-valparaiso-notes-donovan-clay-st-0205-story.html
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/1092584089008463874
https://twitter.com/BBASKILLS/status/1092313172525154305
Being that it's a little over 2 hours from Alton to Normal and the Alton Redbirds don't play till Friday against Collinsville my bet is that Donovan Clay will be watching the game tonight at Redbird Arena.
Quote from: bbtds on February 05, 2019, 06:38:17 PMBeing that it's a little over 2 hours from Alton to Normal and the Alton Redbirds don't play till Friday against Collinsville my bet is that Donovan Clay will be watching the game tonight at Redbird Arena.
I sure hope he was. This would have been a great game for him to see.
Donovan didn't make the trip. According to Deion's father, Donovan's dad is 6' 8". He thinks that Donovan has more growth in him.
Full game video of Kahok vs Alton. Like these longer videos rather than just short highlight clips. Clay plays the perimeter primarily on offense. It appears that after the big fight Alton played more zone because of player suspensions with Clay playing the middle. IMO the kid has a good motor and has a lot of tools and potential. When he matures and develops physically he could be a very good player. I think this is a real steal for VU.
Here are 2 other videos of complete game highlights of Alton games.
Again, this is based on the idea that most everybody comes back... It is in both Valpo and Clay's best interest for him to redshirt. There is just no room next year. If he plays 4 years after that for us, GREAT. If he plays 3 and is a grad transfer GREAT. It is a win win for everyone.
I think everyone on this list will have a positive impact next year:
Sackey/Freeman/Golder/Fazekas/Smits/Sorolla/Gordon/Robinson/Kiser
--- That is 9 players....9! No way a raw freshman who just went through a growth spurt is going to be more trustworthy right away than these guys.
Question Marks (with optimistic thoughts)
Bakari -- Was once a very good player, I don't know what is going on but it can's last forever
Bradford -- I saw flashes of greatness and if he is fully healthy he can play impactful minutes
McMillan -- People still refer to him as a baby deer and maybe next year he finally turns the corner.
Even if the bottom 3 never play meaningful minutes that is still 9 players Clay will have to compete with for time. Somebody do some sales on the guy and let him know after a redshirt year he will be that much better for his 4 year career.
Odds are at least one of the 3 question marks breaks out and has a good year. That is 10 players. Just has never made more sense to redshirt a kid.
Now all of that said maybe we have 4 guys grad transfer on us. You just never know these days.
The comparison to Mileek, because of their both having sudden growth spurts, is way off. Donovan is WAY more athletic and about the same size. This kid is quick! Great get! Closer to a Milik Yarbrough type athlete.
QuoteIt is in both Valpo and Clay's best interest for him to redshirt.
No, no, no, no, no, NO. And this isn't just you -- everyone on this board needs to stop making this argument, posthaste. With the new NCAA grad transfer rules, the only reason a midmajor program should ever redshirt a kid is due to injury. Otherwise all we're doing is setting ourselves up to be pillaged of good senior players by P5 programs. If a kid gets hurt and misses a year and that makes them eligible to go into the grad transfer portal (a la Smits after this year), then fine, so be it, but we shouldn't be actively helping that process out.
But the more important reason is this -- assuming we won't have "room" for a particular player at the start of any season is incredibly short-sighted. We've had *major* injuries sideline key guys in four of the past five seasons. This is the third straight season we've had to play extended periods of time with only 8 guys dressed due to injuries. But sure, let's sideline a healthy player for "roster crunch" reasons and make sure we are ridiculously thin every time someone gets hurt.
To be clear, I'm not singling out the poster I'm responding to here -- midmajor programs and their fans need to RADICALLY re-think the way they think about and handle redshirts in this new era, but particularly so for a program that's been as injury-prone as ours has over the past several years.
Quote from: bigmosmithfan1 on February 06, 2019, 01:40:17 PM
QuoteIt is in both Valpo and Clay's best interest for him to redshirt.
No, no, no, no, no, NO. And this isn't just you -- everyone on this board needs to stop making this argument, posthaste. With the new NCAA grad transfer rules, the only reason a midmajor program should ever redshirt a kid is due to injury. Otherwise all we're doing is setting ourselves up to be pillaged of good senior players by P5 programs. If a kid gets hurt and misses a year and that makes them eligible to go into the grad transfer portal (a la Smits after this year), then fine, so be it, but we shouldn't be actively helping that process out.
But the more important reason is this -- assuming we won't have "room" for a particular player at the start of any season is incredibly short-sighted. We've had *major* injuries sideline key guys in four of the past five seasons. This is the third straight season we've had to play extended periods of time with only 8 guys dressed due to injuries. But sure, let's sideline a healthy player for "roster crunch" reasons and make sure we are ridiculously thin every time someone gets hurt.
To be clear, I'm not singling out the poster I'm responding to here -- midmajor programs and their fans need to RADICALLY re-think the way they think about and handle redshirts in this new era, but particularly so for a program that's been as injury-prone as ours has over the past several years.
I was one who said a redshirt might make sense, but you make a lot of compelling arguments. Another reason is that with so many seniors on next year's squad, Lottich won't have to worry about keeping those guys happy with PT (they can't go anywhere) and can play the younger guys if they can help. I'm think I'm switching camps.
Quote from: FWalum on February 06, 2019, 10:37:46 AM
Full game video of Kahok vs Alton. Like these longer videos rather than just short highlight clips. Clay plays the perimeter primarily on offense. It appears that after the big fight Alton played more zone because of player suspensions with Clay playing the middle. IMO the kid has a good motor and has a lot of tools and potential. When he matures and develops physically he could be a very good player. I think this is a real steal for VU.
Here are 2 other videos of complete game highlights of Alton games.
Watched the second video. A couple thoughts: he definitely has upside on offense. Solid shot and he was pretty comfortable driving it to the rim. On defense it was tougher to get a sense of what he can be because he was defending the post and was a little out of position. I'm not sure if he'll be a great on ball defender right away. He might still be adjusting to his new height but guys could take him off the dribble but good coaching could help alieviate that. He's also didn't look like a guy I'd want being your primary court distributor (as of right now) but he handled the ball well. He's going to need to get stronger and I'm sure that will come with time. Nice looking jump shot. Also some upside for being a pretty good rebounder at the next level. You can't teach length and he has it and it could be a weapon at the next level. I didn't see Milik Yarborough caliber athleticism in that video though. Those are some of my observations from the very limited sample size I watched.
Quote from: FWalum on February 06, 2019, 10:37:46 AMFull game video of Kahok vs Alton.
FYI, The Kahok team is from Collinsville, IL (Collinsville Kahoks)
The Southwestern (IL) Conference is
Alton Redbirds, Belleville East Lancers, Belleville West Maroons, Collinsville Kahoks, East St Louis Flyers (Lophonso Ellis), Edwardsville Tigers, Granite City Warriors, O'Fallon (IL) Panthers (Butler's Roosevelt Jones). I'm sure there are other well known former members of this conference you can think of.
I think it is interesting what some of our posters have to say about D. Clay. It sure sounds like he is a great catch but are we expecting too much right off the bat...good shooter but......can rebound but....has length but maybe not the best defender....call handle the ball but .... He looks to be a good find and will develope. I remember that Alec Peters had some flaws when he was a frosh but the great thing is that the freshmen grow up to be sophs, etc.
Quote from: valpo64 on February 06, 2019, 03:46:11 PM
I think it is interesting what some of our posters have to say about D. Clay. It sure sounds like he is a great catch but are we expecting too much right off the bat...good shooter but......can rebound but....has length but maybe not the best defender....call handle the ball but .... He looks to be a good find and will develope. I remember that Alec Peters had some flaws when he was a frosh but the great thing is that the freshmen grow up to be sophs, etc.
Generally agree but McMillan simply has not progressed. Maybe due to infrequent playing time or whatever, but he's not shown much maturation in his limited minutes to me.
Quote from: bigmosmithfan1 on February 06, 2019, 01:40:17 PM
QuoteIt is in both Valpo and Clay's best interest for him to redshirt.
No, no, no, no, no, NO. And this isn't just you -- everyone on this board needs to stop making this argument, posthaste. With the new NCAA grad transfer rules, the only reason a midmajor program should ever redshirt a kid is due to injury. Otherwise all we're doing is setting ourselves up to be pillaged of good senior players by P5 programs. If a kid gets hurt and misses a year and that makes them eligible to go into the grad transfer portal (a la Smits after this year), then fine, so be it, but we shouldn't be actively helping that process out.
But the more important reason is this -- assuming we won't have "room" for a particular player at the start of any season is incredibly short-sighted. We've had *major* injuries sideline key guys in four of the past five seasons. This is the third straight season we've had to play extended periods of time with only 8 guys dressed due to injuries. But sure, let's sideline a healthy player for "roster crunch" reasons and make sure we are ridiculously thin every time someone gets hurt.
To be clear, I'm not singling out the poster I'm responding to here -- midmajor programs and their fans need to RADICALLY re-think the way they think about and handle redshirts in this new era, but particularly so for a program that's been as injury-prone as ours has over the past several years.
I already countered all your points before you made them.
1. If everyone is back next year we have enough depth even with 3 injuries.
2. 3 years is 3 years. Sits on the bench the first year and gets in maybe 4 games then plays 3 years OR red shirts 1st year plays 3 years and then maybe decides to transfers. Literally the same exact scenario except there is only one example where he has the chance to play 4 years of quality minutes.
There, I win you, you are welcome. :)
100% best to redshirt him. Maybe I'm missing something but besides the drake game this year when was they "extended time" with only 8 available players the last 3 years? Can't run your program around the possibility of injury. People get hurt it's Athletics no point in having a freshman sit the bench and lose eligibility.
Quote from: Valpofan15 on February 06, 2019, 05:44:25 PM
100% best to redshirt him. Maybe I'm missing something but besides the drake game this year when was they "extended time" with only 8 available players the last 3 years? Can't run your program around the possibility of injury. People get hurt it's Athletics no point in having a freshman sit the bench and lose eligibility.
Valpofan15, welcome to the board!
Quote from: VU2014 on February 06, 2019, 05:51:30 PM
Quote from: Valpofan15 on February 06, 2019, 05:44:25 PM
100% best to redshirt him. Maybe I'm missing something but besides the drake game this year when was they "extended time" with only 8 available players the last 3 years? Can't run your program around the possibility of injury. People get hurt it's Athletics no point in having a freshman sit the bench and lose eligibility.
Valpofan15, welcome to the board!
I respectfully disagree regarding Redshirts, not the "welcome to the board!" sentiment though 😉😉😉
I don't give a ____ about depth and projections of 3 hurt player cushions...I care about next man up. Who would've thought any freshmen would contribute out the gate. The fact is that we don't know what we can expect until game time is had.
WHY ELSE DID MCMILLAN OR HAZEN GET STARTERS MINUTES TO START A SEASON!?!? In the case of Hazen he was touted as the real deal and sadly it was incorrect. Why should Valpo or Parker have to wait a season to find out what was best?
Out of the frying pan and into the fire is the only way to know what we've got. And I'm sorry all, we PAY our players to come to Valpo through scholarship and they should expect to do anything and everything our coach deems necessary to win.
We will be no richer for height and length on next years team (exception Robinson) so a player with a 6'7" frame is highly valuable despite any junk predictions of what next years team will consist of.
RED SHIRTS are for P6 elite programs.
I think Hazen and McMillan both started at times last year because they were the only natural options at the 4. Not because of players injured or even suspended. Hazen started even before Burton left.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on February 06, 2019, 06:59:42 PMQuote from: VU2014 on February 06, 2019, 05:51:30 PMQuote from: Valpofan15 on February 06, 2019, 05:44:25 PM100% best to redshirt him. Maybe I'm missing something but besides the drake game this year when was they "extended time" with only 8 available players the last 3 years? Can't run your program around the possibility of injury. People get hurt it's Athletics no point in having a freshman sit the bench and lose eligibility.
Valpofan15, welcome to the board!
I respectfully disagree regarding Redshirts, not the "welcome to the board!" sentiment though 😉😉😉 I don't give a ____ about depth and projections of 3 hurt player cushions...I care about next man up. Who would've thought any freshmen would contribute out the gate. The fact is that we don't know what we can expect until game time is had. WHY ELSE DID MCMILLAN OR HAZEN GET STARTERS MINUTES TO START A SEASON!?!? In the case of Hazen he was touted as the real deal and sadly it was incorrect. Why should Valpo or Parker have to wait a season to find out what was best? Out of the frying pan and into the fire is the only way to know what we've got. And I'm sorry all, we PAY our players to come to Valpo through scholarship and they should expect to do anything and everything our coach deems necessary to win. We will be no richer for height and length on next years team (exception Robinson) so a player with a 6'7" frame is highly valuable despite any junk predictions of what next years team will consist of. RED SHIRTS are for P6 elite programs.
Belmont disagrees with your philosophy on redshirts
I also don't think he should redshirt. Valpo normally doesn't recruit people to red shirt right off the bat, right? Hell, we started Parker hazen last year and he's gotta be better than him. I'd say a lot of playing time could be up for grab next year, just like it has been the past two years. We haven't exactly dominated last year and so far this year. I can't imagine he would be coming to valpo planning on red shirting. He's probably hungry to compete for playing time and he should get his fair shot.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on February 06, 2019, 07:20:58 PM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on February 06, 2019, 06:59:42 PMQuote from: VU2014 on February 06, 2019, 05:51:30 PMQuote from: Valpofan15 on February 06, 2019, 05:44:25 PM100% best to redshirt him. Maybe I'm missing something but besides the drake game this year when was they "extended time" with only 8 available players the last 3 years? Can't run your program around the possibility of injury. People get hurt it's Athletics no point in having a freshman sit the bench and lose eligibility.
Valpofan15, welcome to the board!
I respectfully disagree regarding Redshirts, not the "welcome to the board!" sentiment though 😉😉😉 I don't give a ____ about depth and projections of 3 hurt player cushions...I care about next man up. Who would've thought any freshmen would contribute out the gate. The fact is that we don't know what we can expect until game time is had. WHY ELSE DID MCMILLAN OR HAZEN GET STARTERS MINUTES TO START A SEASON!?!? In the case of Hazen he was touted as the real deal and sadly it was incorrect. Why should Valpo or Parker have to wait a season to find out what was best? Out of the frying pan and into the fire is the only way to know what we've got. And I'm sorry all, we PAY our players to come to Valpo through scholarship and they should expect to do anything and everything our coach deems necessary to win. We will be no richer for height and length on next years team (exception Robinson) so a player with a 6'7" frame is highly valuable despite any junk predictions of what next years team will consist of. RED SHIRTS are for P6 elite programs.
Belmont disagrees with your philosophy on redshirts
I'm not searching for their approval. So there is that...
The brawl that Alton got involved in during their own tournament on their own floor made the news that next day. Here is a report on the brawl that caused the tournament to be cancelled immediately from channel 4 KMOV St Louis:
https://www.kmov.com/news/video-brawl-breaks-out-during-alton-riverview-gardens-basketball-game/article_e2068b4c-effb-11e8-bdb8-eb1286921e4f.html
It's very evident that Donovan Clay wanted to get involved in the fighting but was dragged away but one of his coaches to the Alton bench area.
The opposing team was Riverview Gardens Senior HS which is near the area where the riots happened on West Florissant Ave. in Ferguson, MO in north St Louis County after the shooting of Michael Brown in 2014. Brown's shooting happened on Canfield Dr. next to the Canfield Green Apts.
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Canfield+Green+Apartments,+Coppercreek+Road,+Ferguson,+MO/Riverview+Gardens+Senior+High+School,+1218+Shepley+Dr,+St.+Louis,+MO+63137/@38.7543733,-90.2620095,14z/data=!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x87df4989068289c7:0xeb701e66a24e7a8b!2m2!1d-90.2735448!2d38.7389755!1m5!1m1!1s0x87df4eb8330a3231:0xd3170f92a46dc475!2m2!1d-90.2134756!2d38.7551126!3e0
I enjoy the banter. Four days ago, we learn of Donovan Clay. Now, we are having a full-fledged redshirt debate. I love the enthusiasm. He's got over two months before he can sign, so I figure we've got some time to decide his fate next year.
He plays in a conference that regularly produces DI talent (Pickett, Smith, and Tilmon all start at Mizzou right now, Hargrove is committed to SLU, and Liddell was Illinois Mr. Basketball as a junior). He's shown well against good competition. That's what I can add.
I don't think we're going to red-shirt him unless he completely raw and not prepared for D1 basketball. That doesn't appear to be the case with Clay. If the kid was a coveted top potential JUCO recruit that means he has some ability already. Just my 2cents.
Akot is headed to Boise.
https://twitter.com/UtahProspects/status/1093633858153504768
This feels like one we could have had. Unless he really wanted to stay out west which is possible.
Looks like there were problems with Chris Payton. May have dodged a bullet with him. Wild speculation on my part but this does not sound good for him as a team player.
https://www.pantagraph.com/sports/high-school/basketball/southern-illinois-recruit-chris-payton-leaves-bhs-basketball-team/article_6856cf9d-73f0-537b-8058-b788da608765.html#comments
Quote from: VUBBFan on February 07, 2019, 09:15:46 PM
Looks like there were problems with Chris Payton. May have dodged a bullet with him. Wild speculation on my part but this does not sound good for him as a team player.
https://www.pantagraph.com/sports/high-school/basketball/southern-illinois-recruit-chris-payton-leaves-bhs-basketball-team/article_6856cf9d-73f0-537b-8058-b788da608765.html#comments
If Hinson gets canned at the end of season they might lose many recruits
Quote from: VUBBFan on February 07, 2019, 09:15:46 PM
Looks like there were problems with Chris Payton. May have dodged a bullet with him. Wild speculation on my part but this does not sound good for him as a team player.
https://www.pantagraph.com/sports/high-school/basketball/southern-illinois-recruit-chris-payton-leaves-bhs-basketball-team/article_6856cf9d-73f0-537b-8058-b788da608765.html#comments
Reader's comment at the end of the article:
"I went to the first day of the Pontiac Holiday Tournament back in December and watched the BHS game. Before the fist half ends a guy sitting next to me says boy that Payton kid sure has a bad attitude on the court and in the team huddle. Wonder if Head Coach Barry Hinson at SIU knows what he recruited. I echoed the same thoughts with the guy. It will be interesting to see how long he sticks it out down at SIU."
Hutton: Crown Point's Grant Gelon finds new life at Trinity International after leaving Indiana
https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/ct-ptb-spt-mike-hutton-column-st-0210-story.html
Gelon lost his scholarship at IU after a coaching change. Then the same thing happened to him at Missouri State following their coaching change. Finally, maybe things are going to work out for him.
Quote from: wh on February 09, 2019, 10:08:36 AM
Hutton: Crown Point's Grant Gelon finds new life at Trinity International after leaving Indiana
https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/ct-ptb-spt-mike-hutton-column-st-0210-story.html
Gelon lost his scholarship at IU after a coaching change. Then the same thing happened to him at Missouri State following their coaching change. Finally, maybe things are going to work out for him.
He has certainly had a unique college experience on and off the court. It will only make him a mentally stronger individual. Hope everything works out for him
Drake will have as many Region players as Valpo
https://twitter.com/theluvforball33/status/1096133571889295361?s=21
Not sure we have a chance of landing him but Skogman got a offer from Vandy.
I still think we'll have another scholarship available, but that's speculation on my part. Maybe some others have some inside info or have heard some chatter.
https://twitter.com/dskogman42/status/1097299687462367232?s=21
I havent' heard anything but I feel like a transfer a year really isn't unexpected.
I'd say our likeliest is Micah if we go based on playing time. But I think one of the two towers could be a possibility. I believe Smits is already working on his Masters so maybe that decreases his likelihood but his year might have a couple of schools sniffing around.
Bakari would probably be another possibility if he hadn't already red-shirted
The other intangible is personal issues/family stuff that can raise it's head, like with Clay Yeo. Sometimes you can't help it if a player just doesn't feel like they fit in the schoo/area or wants something different outside of the program.
I think we all could use a little "feel good" moment. Take a look at Donovan's team highlights from the O'Fallon game. He is kinda hard to miss and one play is flat out off the charts athletic. We got a good one!
https://www.hudl.com/profile/8663096/Donovan-Clay
Quote from: vu72 on February 28, 2019, 04:59:24 PM
I think we all could use a little "feel good" moment. Take a look at Donovan's team highlights from the O'Fallon game. He is kinda hard to miss and one play is flat out off the charts athletic. We got a good one!
https://www.hudl.com/profile/8663096/Donovan-Clay
He dropped 20-pts in the second half last week to overcome a 19-14 first half deficit. Though one person said much of it came inside (using his height to his advantage).
Man we just need a few shooters who can deliver 38-40% 3-pointers across a season...maybe that's too high for a season but the point stands. Where's Seth Colclasure!?!?
Need to give Coach Townsend credit for this one. I heard he was the primary recruiter and Lavender's positive experience at Valpo was selling point. Donovan and Lavender are from the same area. Relationships are everything in College Basketball. I've heard that Coach Townsend has become pretty close with Smits and other guys on the roster. He was an excellent addition to the staff.
Should we consider giving him the keys?
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on February 28, 2019, 07:25:04 PM
Quote from: vu72 on February 28, 2019, 04:59:24 PM
I think we all could use a little "feel good" moment. Take a look at Donovan's team highlights from the O'Fallon game. He is kinda hard to miss and one play is flat out off the charts athletic. We got a good one!
https://www.hudl.com/profile/8663096/Donovan-Clay
He dropped 20-pts in the second half last week to overcome a 19-14 first half deficit. Though one person said much of it came inside (using his height to his advantage).
Man we just need a few shooters who can deliver 38-40% 3-pointers across a season...maybe that's too high for a season but the point stands. Where's Seth Colclasure!?!?
https://m.riverbender.com/articles/details.cfm?id=33867 (https://m.riverbender.com/articles/details.cfm?id=33867)
And then for a quote from someone watching the game go to the comments section (2nd post). Talks about him being "very much a team player".
Donovan lights it up! Big win! Can't wait to see his athleticism and, he can make a 3 point shot! ;)
https://www.bnd.com/latest-news/article227000709.html
Quote from: vu72 on March 03, 2019, 09:10:41 AM
Donovan lights it up! Big win! Can't wait to see his athleticism and, he can make a 3 point shot! ;)
https://www.bnd.com/latest-news/article227000709.html
Interesting. Belleville West and Alton go to Edwardsville on Tuesday for their Sectional (same as Regional in Indiana) semifinal game.
Here's the 4A pairings for that part of the state
Class 4A Pairings
Belleville West Regional
Mon., Feb. 25
O'Fallon 46, Belleville East 44
Tue., Feb. 26
Belleville West 71, O'Fallon 32
Wed., Feb. 27
Chatham Glenwood 53, Quincy 45
Fri., Mar. 1
Belleville West 52, Chatham Glenwood 43
Collinsville Regional
Mon., Feb. 25
Edwardsville 56, Granite City 46
Tue., Feb. 26
Collinsville 54, Edwardsville 34
Alton 66, Springfield 61
Fri., Mar. 1
Alton 58, Collinsville 48
Pekin Regional
Mon., Feb. 25
Pekin 46, Peoria 31
Tue., Feb. 26
Pekin 58, Normal Community 54
Wed., Feb. 27
Rock Island 39, East Moline 34
Fri., Mar. 1
Game 4: Pekin vs. Rock Island, 7 p.m.
Champaign Centennial Regional
Mon., Feb. 25
Game 1 : (7) Champaign Centenniall 47, Normal West 44 (OT)
Tue., Feb. 26
Danvlle 60, Champaign Centennial 53
Wed., Feb. 27
Bloomington 87, Moline 69
Fri., Mar. 1
Danville 66, Bloomington 64
East Moline Sectional
Tue., Mar. 5
Game 1: Belleville West vs. Alton-To be played at a site at Edwardsville, 7 p.m.
Game 2: Danville vs. Winner Pekin Regional, 7 p.m.
Fri., Mar. 8
Game 3: Winner Game 1 vs. Winner Game 2, 7 p.m.
Normal Super-Sectional
At ISU
Tue., Mar. 12
Game 1 : Winner Aurora (East) Sectional vs. Winner East Moline (United) Sectional, 7 p.m.
State Tournament
Site: Peoria (Civic Center)
Fri., Mar. 15
Game 1: Winner Hoffman Estates (Sears Centre Arena) Super-Sectional vs. Winner DeKalb (NIU) Super-Sectional
Game 2: Winner Normal (ISU) Super-Sectional vs. Winner Evanston (Northwestern University) Super-Sectional
Sat., Mar. 16
Third Place
Game 3 Loser Game 1 vs. Loser Game 2, 5:30 p.m.
Championship
Game 4 at 7:15 pm: Winner Game 1 vs. Winner Game 2, 7:15 p.m.It does show how super weighted the 4A tournament is towards Chicago when the farthest south Super-Sectional (Semi-State in Indiana) is Illinois State in Normal.
Full video of game Alton 58, Collinsville 48 (https://www.riverbender.com/video/details/alton-vs-collinsville-boys-regional-championship-basketball-22919-video-3512.cfm)
Clay played extremely well on defense guarding Collinsville's leading scorer, a 6'1" guard, holding him 12 points below his 22 point average.
Quote from: FWalum on March 03, 2019, 03:33:25 PM
Full video of game Alton 58, Collinsville 48 (https://www.riverbender.com/video/details/alton-vs-collinsville-boys-regional-championship-basketball-22919-video-3512.cfm)
Clay played extremely well on defense guarding Collinsville's leading scorer, a 6'1" guard, holding him 12 points below his 22 point average.
His frame reminds me of Javon Freeman's but with more length. He's eventually going to need to add some size/muscle to his frame but that will come with time. Seems to have a high motor. He fights through screens which is key to how Lottich likes his players to play defense. Looks to have a nice 3pt stroke as well. He appears to be a willing passer. Looks like we may have found a good one. I'm not sure what his ceiling will be but he looks like he could become a nice player.
Quote from: FWalum on March 03, 2019, 03:33:25 PM
Full video of game Alton 58, Collinsville 48 (https://www.riverbender.com/video/details/alton-vs-collinsville-boys-regional-championship-basketball-22919-video-3512.cfm)
Clay played extremely well on defense guarding Collinsville's leading scorer, a 6'1" guard, holding him 12 points below his 22 point average.
Reminds me a bit of E. Victor, the times when he was healthy.
Quote from: FWalum on March 03, 2019, 03:33:25 PM
Full video of game Alton 58, Collinsville 48 (https://www.riverbender.com/video/details/alton-vs-collinsville-boys-regional-championship-basketball-22919-video-3512.cfm)
Clay played extremely well on defense guarding Collinsville's leading scorer, a 6'1" guard, holding him 12 points below his 22 point average.
I defer to FWalum on the informed player evaluations but, what I saw was really impressive. This kid could be a real steal. Long, extremely athletic, quick,composed, great defender and can shoot it. Other than that, not much! ;)
https://twitter.com/MatthewBain_/status/1102587942718107648
interesting tweet. I'd assume that the coaching staff is expecting at least one transfer (or maybe someone's career ending due to injury).
Quote from: crusader05 on March 04, 2019, 09:28:43 AMinteresting tweet. I'd assume that the coaching staff is expecting at least one transfer (or maybe someone's career ending due to injury).
It has been near 7 months since the Bradford back injury. If he is still in pain D-1 programs will be very reluctant to gamble on his full recovery. Might he then hang it up or transfer down? Might Matt roll the dice and hope for the best? This could be a difficult decision.
Quote from: vu72 on March 03, 2019, 05:21:29 PMnot much!
In my efforts to emphasize everything negative about the 19-20 season, I've quoted vu72 for his first observation on Donovan Clay. ::) :) ;). I've attached a string of smileys to ensure that nobody takes me seriously.
Quote from: vu72 on March 03, 2019, 05:21:29 PM
Quote from: FWalum on March 03, 2019, 03:33:25 PM
Full video of game Alton 58, Collinsville 48 (https://www.riverbender.com/video/details/alton-vs-collinsville-boys-regional-championship-basketball-22919-video-3512.cfm)
Clay played extremely well on defense guarding Collinsville's leading scorer, a 6'1" guard, holding him 12 points below his 22 point average.
I defer to FWalum on the informed player evaluations but, what I saw was really impressive. This kid could be a real steal. Long, extremely athletic, quick,composed, great defender and can shoot it. Other than that, not much! ;)
In the past, vu72 has taken a "wait and see" attitude on recruits, so seeing him excited about Clay gives me a good feeling.
it's do or die for Alton and our guy Donovan Clay when they face Beleview West and defending Mr. Basketball EJ Liddell tonight at 7. This will really tell us a lot about Donovan as he will go up against a BIG recruit who is essentially the same size. Wish I could watch it live.
https://www.stltoday.com/sports/high-school/boys-basketball/illinois-boys-basketball-postseason-preview-capsules/collection_f582b752-3ee0-11e9-aee8-279f4977f6d6.html#1
I had some thoughts of getting to St. Louis early tonight but couldn't work it out at my place of employment. Although it might be covered on one of the StL TV stations by Thursday. This will be a huge game for Metro East. Too bad I could have swung by Metro East Lutheran HS while in Edwardsville.
Also noticed that Evansville's Frederking's Okawville Rockets play up north in Jacksonville in the 3A Sectional. The team they are playing is Triopia who beat what has become a good Springfield Lutheran team. Would have been nice if SLHS could have played Okawville. I do tend to root for all the Lutheran HS.
Alton goes down to defending state champion Beleville West.
https://www.stltoday.com/sports/high-school/boys-basketball/randolph-comes-alive-as-belleville-west-rallies-past-alton/article_61158bee-3fc1-11e9-a2ef-932bd4baa885.html#7
Some nice comments about out guy Donovan Clay:
Muniz credited his team with how it handled itself early on as Alton took the fight to Belleville West. A 6-foot-7 Valparaiso recruit, Clay was dynamic on both ends as he finished with 17 points, four rebounds, three assists and three blocks. He defended Liddell much of the night and did well despite being outweighed by about 30 pounds.
If we have a transfer and a scholarship available I'd put in a call. He'd probably be an instant starter.
https://twitter.com/cbb_central/status/1103427549416153088?s=21
Quote from: VU2014 on March 07, 2019, 03:58:02 PM
If we have a transfer and a scholarship available I'd put in a call. He'd probably be an instant starter.
https://twitter.com/cbb_central/status/1103427549416153088?s=21
Did Bryce and Roger offer? The name is familiar.
Quote from: justducky on March 07, 2019, 04:32:48 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on March 07, 2019, 03:58:02 PM
If we have a transfer and a scholarship available I'd put in a call. He'd probably be an instant starter.
https://twitter.com/cbb_central/status/1103427549416153088?s=21
Did Bryce and Roger offer? The name is familiar.
Wow I totally forgot we offer him a while back. I'm sure Gore and Lottich are familiar with him. Maybe that offers somewhat of an advantageous. I think many Valley team will be interested because they offered him out of high school.
He had offers from: Illinois State, Northern Iowa, Bradley, UIC, Valpo, DePaul, Indiana State, Creighton, La Salle, UMass.
Could someone come up with a spread like LaPorteAveApostle (as I recall) used to do that showed year-to-year scholarships, available slots and future slots? I think he took it out a rolling 4 years. Is my recollection accurate?
Right now, I, for one, am a little unsure of who we have for the next 4 years, who's coming in, and what's open in 2019, 2020, 2021, and so forth.
The reason I am asking is that I am wondering if we have room next season for that one grad transfer difference-maker who would be the final piece that pulls the puzzle together and makes us what we thought we'd be.
Deion, while not a star, kinda filled that slot this year. I don't know if we would have even won as many games as we did if he wasn't on board.
We have nothing available for next year unless/until someone transfers.
Quote from: M on March 09, 2019, 01:23:19 PM
We have nothing available for next year unless/until someone transfers.
Thanks, M. That was my immediate concern, and I assume that is one of the reasons for the Transfers string being up now.
ButI also think all of us would benefit by having such a spread going forward for tracking purposes and forecasting future scenarios. I'm sure the coaching staff has a board like that somewhere (but their's list recruiting targets for available slots for each class, I'm sure). Ours would be kind of after the fact to fill in the open slots once we get, first, a verbal commit and then nail it down after the NLI is signed. When Apostle was doing it, it helped a lot.
Quote from: VULB#62 on March 09, 2019, 01:44:31 PM
Quote from: M on March 09, 2019, 01:23:19 PM
We have nothing available for next year unless/until someone transfers.
Thanks, M. That was my immediate concern, and I assume that is one of the reasons for the Transfers string being up now.
ButI also think all of us would benefit by having such a spread going forward for tracking purposes and forecasting future scenarios. I'm sure the coaching staff has a board like that somewhere (but their's list recruiting targets for available slots for each class, I'm sure). Ours would be kind of after the fact to fill in the open slots once we get, first, a verbal commit and then nail it down after the NLI is signed. When Apostle was doing it, it helped a lot.
http://www.verbalcommits.com/schools/valparaiso (http://www.verbalcommits.com/schools/valparaiso)
This is my way of keeping track of the classes. Verbal Commits does a good job of showing by year. Hope this helps.
Keep in mind our transfers classification can be tricky.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on March 09, 2019, 02:12:41 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on March 09, 2019, 01:44:31 PM
Quote from: M on March 09, 2019, 01:23:19 PM
We have nothing available for next year unless/until someone transfers.
Thanks, M. That was my immediate concern, and I assume that is one of the reasons for the Transfers string being up now.
ButI also think all of us would benefit by having such a spread going forward for tracking purposes and forecasting future scenarios. I'm sure the coaching staff has a board like that somewhere (but their's list recruiting targets for available slots for each class, I'm sure). Ours would be kind of after the fact to fill in the open slots once we get, first, a verbal commit and then nail it down after the NLI is signed. When Apostle was doing it, it helped a lot.
http://www.verbalcommits.com/schools/valparaiso (http://www.verbalcommits.com/schools/valparaiso)
This is my way of keeping track of the classes. Verbal Commits does a good job of showing by year. Hope this helps.
Keep in mind our transfers classification can be tricky.
Whoops, pressed submit too early. Gordon and Robinson are academic juniors but I believe both are eligibile for 2-years. Think that's the only difference I can see.
Cool. Thanks Goodie. i will bookmark it. I'm gonna try doing the spread I talked about too.
The Sun-Times All first team is pretty big.
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/1106317591033856000
https://twitter.com/nwioren/status/1106331330458107904?s=21
I really think some excitement is due about getting Donovon Clay. The kid was just named First Team All State. I think that puts him in the same talent category as a more recent Valpo get who received the same accolade. I'm excited!
There's little doubt Lottich can recruit. What we're waiting on is the on-court results. Hopefully they come next year... Go Valpo!
I'm wondering if Chris Payton will decommit from SIU. Probably waiting to see who the new SIU coach is before deciding. It's going to be Bryan Mullins if he wants the job. If he decommits, Valpo might reenter the mix.
I would like to think that Donovan Clay's end-of -season recognition would make Valpo more attractive to recruits.
Payton bailed on his high school team late in the year. My guess is there is something going on with this kid we want no part of.
How about Chase Adams, Rashaun Agee, and Lual Akot for our current open spots?
If the Coaching Staff had any vacation plans this offseason they can say bye bye to those... Need to hit the recruiting trail HARD
(https://i.gifer.com/Aylk.gif)
I have a feeling we'll see our fair share of grad-transfers coming in.
Quote from: tiny707 on March 19, 2019, 05:17:15 PM
How about Chase Adams, Rashaun Agee, and Lual Akot for our current open spots?
Can't have two tiny PGs and Chase Adams is good friends with JFL. I'm Javon won't have many negative things to say about Valpo but it would be a odd thing to see happen.
Our only open offer to an uncommitted prospect.
https://twitter.com/WaukWestHoops/status/1108195754613583872
I hope Lottich pitched a tent in his front yard.
I wonder if the coaching staff had any back up plans for recruits in the event of a transfer. Unfortunately, what is probably more likely is Lottich thought everyone was coming back, had no back up plans, and now he is scrambling around to patch together what he can. That is my guess based on his prior statement that he didn't expect much movement before all the transfers were announced.
Quote from: valpolaw on March 20, 2019, 01:43:33 PM
I wonder if the coaching staff had any back up plans for recruits in the event of a transfer. Unfortunately, what is probably more likely is Lottich thought everyone was coming back, had no back up plans, and now he is scrambling around to patch together what he can. That is my guess based on his prior statement that he didn't expect much movement before all the transfers were announced.
I assume from your moniker that you are an attorney... was wondering when you, if interviewed by a reporter about a case, told the reporter that you expected to lose. Did you really expect him to say that he was anticipating a bunch of transfers???? I guess that he should have said that he didn't expect any movement but was prepared if there was.... even that statement probably would have been analyzed in the negative.
No I would never expect to lose a case ;D :thumbsup:
I agree he probably should have said something vague to suggest he didn't expect it to happen but would address accordingly if it did. Hindsight is always 20/20 though and I think there are bigger issues than that.
Quote from: valpolaw on March 20, 2019, 01:43:33 PM
I wonder if the coaching staff had any back up plans for recruits in the event of a transfer. Unfortunately, what is probably more likely is Lottich thought everyone was coming back, had no back up plans, and now he is scrambling around to patch together what he can. That is my guess based on his prior statement that he didn't expect much movement before all the transfers were announced.
From what I've heard the coaching staff knew losing Smits and Bakari was a possibility but the Freeman transfer, not so much. Sounds like Bakari saw the writing on the wall with his role diminishing next season. The coaching staff has been recruiting bigs for a while now
Quote from: VU2014 on March 20, 2019, 05:23:10 PM
Quote from: valpolaw on March 20, 2019, 01:43:33 PM
I wonder if the coaching staff had any back up plans for recruits in the event of a transfer. Unfortunately, what is probably more likely is Lottich thought everyone was coming back, had no back up plans, and now he is scrambling around to patch together what he can. That is my guess based on his prior statement that he didn't expect much movement before all the transfers were announced.
From what I've heard the coaching staff knew losing Smits and Bakari was a possibility but the Freeman transfer, not so much. Sounds like Bakari saw the writing on the wall with his role diminishing next season. The coaching staff has been recruiting bigs for a while now
I've heard Valpo is already looking at a shooting guard transfer as a possibility to fill Freeman's spot. From a PR perspective, it would be smart for the program to make a quick move to change the momentum sooner rather than later and get folks looking toward the future again.
Quote from: valpolaw on March 20, 2019, 01:43:33 PM
I wonder if the coaching staff had any back up plans for recruits in the event of a transfer. Unfortunately, what is probably more likely is Lottich thought everyone was coming back, had no back up plans, and now he is scrambling around to patch together what he can. That is my guess based on his prior statement that he didn't expect much movement before all the transfers were announced.
I've heard and I think I stated earlier that I believed Lottich was prepared for at least 1 transfer. The 3 so far will probably change some plans but opens spots for grad transfers that can play immediately.
He stated in the interview that he didn't expect "a lot" of movement and there was this tweet at the beginning of March before transfers were announced:
https://twitter.com/MatthewBain_/status/1102587942718107648
Quote from: valpopal on March 20, 2019, 05:47:44 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on March 20, 2019, 05:23:10 PM
Quote from: valpolaw on March 20, 2019, 01:43:33 PM
I wonder if the coaching staff had any back up plans for recruits in the event of a transfer. Unfortunately, what is probably more likely is Lottich thought everyone was coming back, had no back up plans, and now he is scrambling around to patch together what he can. That is my guess based on his prior statement that he didn't expect much movement before all the transfers were announced.
From what I've heard the coaching staff knew losing Smits and Bakari was a possibility but the Freeman transfer, not so much. Sounds like Bakari saw the writing on the wall with his role diminishing next season. The coaching staff has been recruiting bigs for a while now
I've heard Valpo is already looking at a shooting guard transfer as a possibility to fill Freeman's spot. From a PR perspective, it would be smart for the program to make a quick move to change the momentum sooner rather than later and get folks looking toward the future again.
Hopefully one that can shoot better than 28% from the 3!
Are we seriously taking shots at JFL out the door? How can anyone blame him for choosing to leave? He was one of the few bright spots to watch after the season totally went off the rails.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on March 21, 2019, 04:58:52 PM
Are we seriously taking shots at JFL out the door? How can anyone blame him for choosing to leave? He was one of the few bright spots to watch after the season totally went off the rails.
I want Javon back. I said I thought he made the decision to transfer too early. If Javon decides to rescind his transfer I would be overjoyed. That is all I said about Javon.
Quote from: bbtds on March 21, 2019, 06:27:46 PMQuote from: VUGrad1314 on March 21, 2019, 04:58:52 PMAre we seriously taking shots at JFL out the door? How can anyone blame him for choosing to leave? He was one of the few bright spots to watch after the season totally went off the rails.
I want Javon back. I said I thought he made the decision to transfer too early. If Javon decides to rescind his transfer I would be overjoyed. That is all I said about Javon.
That was directed at 72's comment not yours.
And so, after yesterday's results, we have an Indiana High School State Championship team right in the heart of NWI. Congratulations to the Andrean 59ers. With the recent departures, is VU accelerating any kind of interest with any kids from there either for next year or beyond?
Kyle Ross has been in the ARC a time or two.
Quote from: M on March 24, 2019, 02:46:07 PM
Kyle Ross has been in the ARC a time or two.
Kyle Ross recruitment feels similar to Brandon Newman's recruitment to Valpo. Hell of a player but a clear long shot to land at VU. Nice to see the coaching staff building a relationship with him though. Need to shoot your shot to give yourself a chance.
Quote from: VU2014 on March 24, 2019, 02:55:14 PM
Quote from: M on March 24, 2019, 02:46:07 PM
Kyle Ross has been in the ARC a time or two.
Kyle Ross recruitment feels similar to Brandon Newman's recruitment to Valpo. Hell of a player but a clear long shot to land at VU. Nice to see the coaching staff building a relationship with him though. Need to shoot your shot to give yourself a chance.
And where is one of the sources that Kyle Ross' friends and relatives get their info on Valpo MBB?
I feel Valpo is still a great place to play basketball for 4 years and get one of the best educations in the Midwest and be molded into a very successful male adult. I know there are a majority of people who post on this message board who feel the same way.
Quote from: bbtds on March 24, 2019, 04:16:29 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on March 24, 2019, 02:55:14 PM
Quote from: M on March 24, 2019, 02:46:07 PM
Kyle Ross has been in the ARC a time or two.
Kyle Ross recruitment feels similar to Brandon Newman's recruitment to Valpo. Hell of a player but a clear long shot to land at VU. Nice to see the coaching staff building a relationship with him though. Need to shoot your shot to give yourself a chance.
And where is one of the sources that Kyle Ross' friends and relatives get their info on Valpo MBB?
What? ???
I think BBTDS point is that a lot of people looking at the school may find their way to this message board as they make their decision and his concern seems to be that this board itself could scare people off.
Quote from: crusader05 on March 24, 2019, 04:41:52 PM
I think BBTDS point is that a lot of people looking at the school may find their way to this message board as they make their decision and his concern seems to be that this board itself could scare people off.
Ahh gotcha. Yeah I always wonder how much this Board gets frequented by recruits and their parents, as well as current players. Reading the message board doesn't always give the best picture of the state of the program because we tend to magnify every little thing here. ex: Lottich's post-game comments, etc.
However, comparably speaking, if you go to many of the boards of teams we are competing against for players, don't you think ours is a bit more civil and thoughtful? No F-bombs, not much in the way of totally destroying one's own players, acknowledging opponent accomishments when deserved, and pretty much optimistic and one that reflects a genuine love of the sport.
Another Region player land at Drake. That's 5 now
https://twitter.com/theluvforball33/status/1110187175126142976?s=21
We'll be playing a road game at our own gym. Nice to see a rivalry developing though. There's very fertile ground for one.
The very fact that he have people trying to rein posters in and who post messages that show genuine concern for how the fanbase comes off/looks to outsiders shows what a civil thoughtful and all around great board this is.
Quote from: VULB#62 on March 24, 2019, 04:52:08 PM
However, comparably speaking, if you go to many of the boards of teams we are competing against for players, don't you think ours is a bit more civil and thoughtful? No F-bombs, not much in the way of totally destroying one's own players, acknowledging opponent accomishments when deserved, and pretty much optimistic and one that reflects a genuine love of the sport.
If you want to see lack of civility, go to the Butler board. Every time they lose, the whole bunch rips their players and coach unmercifully for the next 48 hours. If they win, all is forgiven - until their next loss that is. If anyone was going to scare off potential recruits, it would be that crew. Yet, look how well they do, this year's last place finish not withstanding.
Quote from: wh on March 25, 2019, 09:29:02 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on March 24, 2019, 04:52:08 PM
However, comparably speaking, if you go to many of the boards of teams we are competing against for players, don't you think ours is a bit more civil and thoughtful? No F-bombs, not much in the way of totally destroying one's own players, acknowledging opponent accomishments when deserved, and pretty much optimistic and one that reflects a genuine love of the sport.
If you want to see lack of civility, go to the Butler board. Every time they lose, the whole bunch rips their players and coach unmercifully for the next 48 hours. If they win, all is forgiven - until their next loss that is. If anyone was going to scare off potential recruits, it would be that crew. Yet, look how well they do, this year's last place finish not withstanding.
Agreed - main reason why I don't post there anymore. It's an insufferable cesspool of negativity. Also, their last place is similar to what Valpo's done the last couple of years in the Valley in that 2-3 more wins and all of a sudden they're in 3rd vs. tied for last.
I will say that some players and families can get scared off by that, especially if they're concerned that they won't be coached by the same guy for all 4 years, but how prevalent that is can be up for debate. IU has some of the most negative fans out there and they still manage to pull in great recruiting classes year after year. UCLA has been a dumpster fire and still gets good recruiting classes. Personally, I don't think it's as big of a deal as some may make it out to be (DePaul has a great recruiting class for a program that has basically done nothing the last 20+ years), but I won't deny that it can have an impact on some recruits.
Quote from: wh on March 25, 2019, 09:29:02 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on March 24, 2019, 04:52:08 PM
However, comparably speaking, if you go to many of the boards of teams we are competing against for players, don't you think ours is a bit more civil and thoughtful? No F-bombs, not much in the way of totally destroying one's own players, acknowledging opponent accomishments when deserved, and pretty much optimistic and one that reflects a genuine love of the sport.
If you want to see lack of civility, go to the Butler board. Every time they lose, the whole bunch rips their players and coach unmercifully for the next 48 hours. If they win, all is forgiven - until their next loss that is. If anyone was going to scare off potential recruits, it would be that crew. Yet, look how well they do, this year's last place finish not withstanding.
Although Butler has a lot more avenues to get their message across about their university. Pretty much on a nightly basis Butler is mentioned on Indy TV stations all across Central Indiana. They also have a much bigger name recognition since their two Final Fours. Valpo is much more dependent on it's valpo.edu website and the only really well known message board for the university, this message board.
How well known do you think this board is? I've lived in Valpo almost all my life I went to VU for five years I had heard a bit about the existence of a message board but didn't know anyone who posted on it. I finally found this board quite by accident looking for information about the MVC rumors.
Any idea at all who we are targeting? I think team chemistry is vital. Hoping more kids from southern Illinois for Donovan, more kids from Canada, more kids from the region(Fazekas and McMillian) and more from Chicago(Robinson).
I don't care where they come from...i just want talented basketball players
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Quote from: VUGrad1314 on March 28, 2019, 04:13:37 PM
How well known do you think this board is? I've lived in Valpo almost all my life I went to VU for five years I had heard a bit about the existence of a message board but didn't know anyone who posted on it. I finally found this board quite by accident looking for information about the MVC rumors.
I suppose my experience comes from people who only read the message board but never post on it. Also I was amazed at the number of friends and relatives of players who have even posted here. Alec Peters, Ryan Broekhoff, etc all have had relatives who have posted here. I'm sure we could come up with a long list of players with friends and relatives that have posted here. I believe the coaches (Homer, Scott, Bryce and Matt L) have all told their players to stay off this specific board.
Interesting tidbit to watch: Vijay Blackmon has decided to transfer from Indiana University looking for more playing time, probably at a mid-major. He was a walk-on, has two eligibility years left, an academic all-Big 10 who graduates this spring, and is immediately eligible. He is the younger brother of former IU standout James Blackmon, Jr. Vijay was a high school all-star honorable mention, scoring 1,500 pts. at Marion, and he has another brother who is now a star player at Marion in the 2021 class, coached by his father, James Blackmon Sr., a former runner-up Indiana Mr. Basketball who played at Kentucky.
Apparently can shoot from the 3-point line:
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Does Vijay know Eric or Ryan? Could be a great match especially if they are friends.
I think Joey Brunk and Vijay Blackman would be two great pick ups.
After the last two years I'm not going to get too excited about potential recruits. I'm going to wait for commitments and then figure out where they fit and how they affect the program.
Safe to say April-September probably do more for Lottich's job security than November-February.
Crusader05's comments are way off. This is a very tame board and there's reality in what a lot of people are saying. You get great recruiting by running a great program, not by covering up negatives on a fan message board.
Again, the problem is not primarily or nor even Lottich, there are bigger issues. IMO, the program needs more funding.
Quote from: valpopal on March 30, 2019, 04:45:48 PMInteresting tidbit to watch: Vijay Blackmon has decided to transfer from Indiana University looking for more playing time, probably at a mid-major. He was a walk-on, has two eligibility years left, an academic all-Big 10 who graduates this spring, and is immediately eligible. He is the younger brother of former IU standout James Blackmon, Jr. Vijay was a high school all-star honorable mention, scoring 1,500 pts. at Marion, and he has another brother who is now a star player at Marion in the 2021 class, coached by his father, James Blackmon Sr., a former runner-up Indiana Mr. Basketball who played at Kentucky. Apparently can shoot from the 3-point line: [tweet]1095222183289331712[/tweet]
Seems like the kind of player we need. Are we connected to him?
I believe Holloway and Eron are connected to Vijay. This would be a good fit.
6-2, 185. Played one season for St. Francis, xferred to IU. Mature (22). Solid family. Made the difficult transition from NAIA to P5. In search of playing time to end his college career. A top mid-major that needs outside shooting, like, ummmm, Valpo would be an ideal fit.
https://twitter.com/MGuernsey_ISJ/status/1112810919401218048
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/stats/_/id/3946031/brandon-boyd
https://twitter.com/MGuernsey_ISJ/status/1112825252176785408
https://twitter.com/AndreaUrbanTV/status/1112103921076461568
https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/1112097297838555136
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvSKUY_8Skw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3-dK0YH5ak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylZViq4y3Mk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqoK5npGsA4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G31EJ4EuXc8
Boyd looks like a nice addition ... what's his connection to Valpo?
Quote from: EddieCabot on April 02, 2019, 06:16:28 AM
Boyd looks like a nice addition ... what's his connection to Valpo?
No strong connection.
Ironically Boyd is teammates with Golder's good friend and former teammate Sam Dowd who played JUCO with Markus.
My guess is this is more of a, might as well throw your hat in the ring kind of situation. Too good to ignore but looks like some steep competition.
Admittedly, I only casually follow the recruiting trail so feel free to update me if I am incorrect. But, with the recent scholarship openings, I have been looking into potential replacements. If you look at the 247 rankings, 18 of the top 20 high school players in Indiana are committed (obviously, none to Valpo, although a lot of them are committed to mid majors). So, 2 of them are uncommitted, Dexter Shouse and Jalen Windham. According to 247, neither of them have had any "interest" from Valpo. Seems kind of weird, doesn't it? If you're getting interest from South Dakota, Toledo, IUPUI, Miami of Ohio, Memphis, and similar schools, why isn't Valpo in the mix? I understand that Valpo originally only had a few openings for this year, but recruitment starts when these guys are freshmen and sophomores. Just seems weird that we were never in on these guys even just casually (if the site's info is accurate)
And, now, maybe these could be potential targets? Has anyone heard anything about where they are headed or if we are involved?
Just because Valpo hasn't expressed interest doesn't mean, if i'm correct, that the coaches may not have contacted maybe someone else about them. I'm sure for some recruits there are extenuating issues that knock them out, be it no interest in Valpo on their end, behavior or academic issues, or just a desire to go somewhere away from home.
Some are good enough you throw your hat in no matter what(Sasha was attainable as long as Purdue showed no interest, once they got it, everyone who knew the kid said it was lights out for everyone else).But you only can develop so many relationships and you need to recognize a dead end early otherwise you're gonna spread yourself to thin.
Has Skogman committed yet? Is he that dedicated to getting to a big player that he's hoping once the transfer carousel slows a bit he'll have a better shot?
How about Michael Moreno, James Hampshire, and Tony Hall?
Quote from: mp91 on April 02, 2019, 11:44:03 AM
Admittedly, I only casually follow the recruiting trail so feel free to update me if I am incorrect. But, with the recent scholarship openings, I have been looking into potential replacements. If you look at the 247 rankings, 18 of the top 20 high school players in Indiana are committed (obviously, none to Valpo, although a lot of them are committed to mid majors). So, 2 of them are uncommitted, Dexter Shouse and Jalen Windham. According to 247, neither of them have had any "interest" from Valpo. Seems kind of weird, doesn't it? If you're getting interest from South Dakota, Toledo, IUPUI, Miami of Ohio, Memphis, and similar schools, why isn't Valpo in the mix? I understand that Valpo originally only had a few openings for this year, but recruitment starts when these guys are freshmen and sophomores. Just seems weird that we were never in on these guys even just casually (if the site's info is accurate)
And, now, maybe these could be potential targets? Has anyone heard anything about where they are headed or if we are involved?
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For 4 year players unless they are pretty under the radar it's tough land a commitment from them without having established relationship with the kid. It's pretty late in the game in terms of HS recruits. Kids have already narrowed down the schools they are considering in their Top 3-5. It's pretty clear Valpo didn't plan to have this many scholarships open at this time. Maybe they land a mystery high school kid in the 2019 class but I'd expect the roster to be filled out by at least 2 grad-transfers at this point.
Here's my hope...
Since MLB made it public that Matt *WILL* be the coach for the 19-20 season, that *should* provide at least grad transfers with some hope that there will be continuity here for their final year. Now, maybe our lack of grad programs holds us back some for guys who want to transfer but also see the importance of earning a master's in something they can use and are interested in...?
According to Instagram both Lottich and Luke back in town. Wonder if we'll hear something soon.
Quote from: GoldenCrusader87 on April 02, 2019, 02:21:44 PMNow, maybe our lack of grad programs holds us back some for guys
If you graduated in 87 and haven't stayed close to academics at Valpo, you may be in for some surprises. Valpo now offers a variety of Masters and even PhD programs, including a Masters in Sports Administration and a highly regarded MBA programs with 8 disciplines.
https://www.valpo.edu/graduate-school/programs/
So we trade Smits for Finke, and Javon for the big guy at NW? Grab a shooter like the kid from IU to replace Bakari and let's lace em up... If Markus leaves, grab another shooter or save for mid-season transfers?
Quote from: mp91 on April 02, 2019, 11:44:03 AM
Admittedly, I only casually follow the recruiting trail so feel free to update me if I am incorrect. But, with the recent scholarship openings, I have been looking into potential replacements. If you look at the 247 rankings, 18 of the top 20 high school players in Indiana are committed (obviously, none to Valpo, although a lot of them are committed to mid majors). So, 2 of them are uncommitted, Dexter Shouse and Jalen Windham. According to 247, neither of them have had any "interest" from Valpo. Seems kind of weird, doesn't it? If you're getting interest from South Dakota, Toledo, IUPUI, Miami of Ohio, Memphis, and similar schools, why isn't Valpo in the mix? I understand that Valpo originally only had a few openings for this year, but recruitment starts when these guys are freshmen and sophomores. Just seems weird that we were never in on these guys even just casually (if the site's info is accurate)
And, now, maybe these could be potential targets? Has anyone heard anything about where they are headed or if we are involved?
Remember for these recruits to make it as Valpo MBB players they must also be good students. Remember the Joe Burton situation. We don't need another problem like that one.
Going big from Europe.
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/1114971363939422214
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/1114971366275649541
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/1114971368020488193
Seems like a high upside project. Hope we get a grad transfer center so he doesn't have to start day one.
https://twitter.com/hoops_mvc/status/1114980000518889478
https://twitter.com/hoops_mvc/status/1114982043551698944
And Drake keeps getting recruits from around here (at least near by)
https://twitter.com/hoops_mvc/status/1114980671641071616
Two days, two commitments. I like the change in conversation.
I hope the Danish Emil Freese-Vilien becomes like another big man Valpo got from Europe. Though Kevin Van Wijk was two inches shorter and from the Netherlands, he set a standard I'd like matched for scoring percentage and toughness in rebounding.
Quote from: humbleopinion on April 07, 2019, 03:24:12 PM
Two days, two commitments. I like the change in conversation.
Until signing day we sit with (6) open scholarships, for conversarion sake.
Here's what we expect:
(1) 6'6" SF Freshman
(1) 5'11" PG Freshnan
(1) 6'10" C Freshman
**Leaving three openings**
I would normally hope only one more is a 4-year eligible freshman for balance sake. But we are observing the transfer dynamic which says...ok, we sign (6) freshman to this recruiting class and how many transfer?
What is our next biggest need?
(Side note: is it good that all three of these players were not highly recruited? Clay was going to juco or lower division before we showed up. Norway made it sound like he was uncertain of his basketball future. And the Great Dane was coming off the bench for his team)
^^that makes me nervous too^^
We have signed two Scandinavians. Perhaps we'll be building an all-Lutheran team.
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/1114993913243295744
Quote from: humbleopinion on April 07, 2019, 03:24:12 PM
Two days, two commitments. I like the change in conversation.
I agree. I'm growing in over-optimism already. :)
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on April 07, 2019, 03:35:07 PMBut we are observing the transfer dynamic which says...ok, we sign (6) freshman to this recruiting class and how many transfer?
With, according to the Chicago Tribune, over 1000(!!!) players in the transfer portal, this is now a way of life for college basketball no matter the level. Major programs are losing multiple players. A strategy needs to be formulated to deal with this issue for all programs because, if it hasn't already, it will affect every program.
So we've signed a Canadian with a Nordic name: Ben Krikke. The trend continues.
We have two more slots to fill, right? I would be content with a couple ball players who are a bit more battle-tested.
I'd like maybe one grad transfer big man who can also help put the new guy through his paces and either another grad transfer or a sit one transfer
Previously: This good announcement fulfills my comment yesterday: "From a public relations standpoint, it would be better if a new player were announced sooner rather than later in order to turn around the current negative direction of momentum." Let's hope this begins a tide of more positive news.
Well, it looks like the tide is coming in from all directions: Norway, Denmark, Canada....
But are these players good? Hopefully he's got some diamonds in the rough here but they don't look too inspiring. I don't think we were competing with anybody noteworthy for them either. I really hope he's not filling spots just to fill spots and is actually thinking about making a competitive team.
Post-Trib article by Michael Osipoff on the new 2019 recruits.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/post-tribune/sports/ct-ptb-spt-mens-basketball-valparaiso-st-040819-story,amp.html?__twitter_impression=true
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Yes, let's corner the market on the Viking nations!
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/1115004975388614656
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on April 07, 2019, 06:26:38 PMBut are these players good? Hopefully he's got some diamonds in the rough here but they don't look too inspiring. I don't think we were competing with anybody noteworthy for them either. I really hope he's not filling spots just to fill spots and is actually thinking about making a competitive team.
Ya think?
Ben looks good, real good. He has yet to miss a shot from the clips I've seen of him.
Krikke played in the Bio-Steel game last week and played 13mins. 6 rebounds and 1-3 for 3 points. He made his only 3 pointer.
Highlights I can find of him are all from a year ago. He's a little awkward in movement which may work in his favor since he isn't where most people think he's going to be when he's shooting as a for instance. His outside shot is also kind of funky but it apparently goes in which is all that counts. He appears a bit slow afoot on video but I thought Alec Peters looked the same all the way through his Valpo career.
It seems that we may be returning to the recruiting philosophy that Scott Drew employed twenty years ago -- head to international locales to find under-recruited players. None of these players had come to the US to play for a prep high school, so they wouldn't have gained as much attention. I like the idea of developing a core of players who are eager to play for Valpo, who believe that they can work together to get Valpo to the NCAA tournament.
Humble, I almost would take that a step further, and say that I'd rather watch some foreign players who want to be here, and come in 10th, rather than watch local players who don't want to be here, and come in 9th.
What local players do we have that don't want to be here? Unless local means kids from the US....I totally agree though I'd rather watch kids who want to play at Valpo, who play the game right, and who enjoy and promote the experience of being a VU student athlete and I'll live with whatever the results are then watch what I've seen the last year or two.
I interpreted local to mean just from the US not like local to the Valpo area.
I guess what I'm seeing so far is a big who can actually run the floor and score beyond three feet. As for the PG, if he can avoid turnovers he can be a HUGE improvement. He is a legit scorer with that mind set. If he can hit a high level think what that will do for the other guys. Gone are the 28, 31, 30 types.
The Foreign players have pretty much universally played well, particularly those with lot of high level international experience. I'l struggling to remember the last bust and I'm sure there have been some. Sorolla among them.
Remember Samuel Haanpaa? Loved him. Came from Finland before playing at a prep school in San Antonio. 6'7" rangy shooter. Only stayed 2 years but had some big moments. Averaged 11 a game. Some fun players on that team. Bouchie (who sadly passed away I believe), Diebler, Huff, Urule, Little, Lloyd, Calum, McPherson, and Rogers. Fun group.
Quote from: GoldenCrusader87 on April 08, 2019, 11:59:37 AMBouchie (who sadly passed away I believe)
The Life and Death of Bryan Bouchie (https://www.lovewhatmatters.com/i-was-screaming-at-the-top-of-my-lungs-bryan-wake-up-i-need-you-dont-leave-me-it-was-hidden-in-something-he-had-been-clean-that-is-it/)
Quite a story...thanks for sharing it
As was mentioned elsewhere, North Pole Hoops has Krikke listed at 6' 9" This article about the Canadian U17 team from last summer lists him at 6' 8" so it seems that the 6' 7" height that has been mainly reported could be a little short. I like what I have seen in the "highlights" so if he is closer to the 6' 9" height that makes it all the more impressive. Also interesting that he evidently played with Charles Bediako.
Interesting last 2 years stats on 2019 recruit Ben Krikke. Great stat lines both years per tweets by Michael Osipoff of the Post-Trib. Considering our needs going forward outstanding stats for scoring avg, 2 point and 3 point shooting %, rebounding, and FT shooting %. All areas we have struggled with in recent years. Biggest question I have is what was the level of competition that Krikke played against to get these #'s. But at a glance looks like a solid player.
Per Osipoff tweets.....
"Some additional details on #Valparaiso commit Ben Krikke, from his Jasper Place coach/athletic director Matt Burrows:
As a junior, Krikke averaged 32 points and 12 rebounds. Shot 64.4 percent (186-289) on 2s, 44.4 percent (24-54) on 3s and 84.3 percent (102-121) on FTs."
"As a senior (in fewer minutes because of blowout wins), Krikke averaged 28 points and 12 rebounds. Shot 67.0 percent (189-282) on 2s, 35.7 percent (40-112) on 3s and 82.5 percent (85-103) on FTs." #Valparaiso
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Those numbers are REALLY GOOD I'm on board with this signing!
Quote from: vufan75 on April 08, 2019, 07:33:16 PM
Interesting last 2 years stats on 2019 recruit Ben Krikke. Great stat lines both years per tweets by Michael Osipoff of the Post-Trib. Considering our needs going forward outstanding stats for scoring avg, 2 point and 3 point shooting %, rebounding, and FT shooting %. All areas we have struggled with in recent years. Biggest question I have is what was the level of competition that Krikke played against to get these #'s. But at a glance looks like a solid player.
Per Osipoff tweets.....
"Some additional details on #Valparaiso commit Ben Krikke, from his Jasper Place coach/athletic director Matt Burrows:
As a junior, Krikke averaged 32 points and 12 rebounds. Shot 64.4 percent (186-289) on 2s, 44.4 percent (24-54) on 3s and 84.3 percent (102-121) on FTs."
"As a senior (in fewer minutes because of blowout wins), Krikke averaged 28 points and 12 rebounds. Shot 67.0 percent (189-282) on 2s, 35.7 percent (40-112) on 3s and 82.5 percent (85-103) on FTs." #Valparaiso
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Maybe I looked at the wrong reel, isn't he extraordinarily slow of foot?
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on April 08, 2019, 08:06:39 PM
Quote from: vufan75 on April 08, 2019, 07:33:16 PM
Interesting last 2 years stats on 2019 recruit Ben Krikke. Great stat lines both years per tweets by Michael Osipoff of the Post-Trib. Considering our needs going forward outstanding stats for scoring avg, 2 point and 3 point shooting %, rebounding, and FT shooting %. All areas we have struggled with in recent years. Biggest question I have is what was the level of competition that Krikke played against to get these #'s. But at a glance looks like a solid player.
Per Osipoff tweets.....
"Some additional details on #Valparaiso commit Ben Krikke, from his Jasper Place coach/athletic director Matt Burrows:
As a junior, Krikke averaged 32 points and 12 rebounds. Shot 64.4 percent (186-289) on 2s, 44.4 percent (24-54) on 3s and 84.3 percent (102-121) on FTs."
"As a senior (in fewer minutes because of blowout wins), Krikke averaged 28 points and 12 rebounds. Shot 67.0 percent (189-282) on 2s, 35.7 percent (40-112) on 3s and 82.5 percent (85-103) on FTs." #Valparaiso
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Maybe I looked at the wrong reel, isn't he extraordinarily slow of foot?
Hadn't seen this one
https://youtu.be/2tKAxHRiCXY (https://youtu.be/2tKAxHRiCXY)
Nice workout. If Krikke has half the work ethic of AP, he will be ok. If he can give us a strong defensive presence and rebound initially I'll take it. Hit the weights and grow into that frame! If he can put up numbers that are1/2 or > than AP did I think we will all be happy after 4 years. He may need to work on his quickness some but all in all a nice prospect with size.
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Can he shoot the tre? If so, he looks like our next Rowdie.
He executes at a quick rate — not big man ponderous.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on April 08, 2019, 08:32:56 PMQuote from: FieldGoodie05 on April 08, 2019, 08:06:39 PMQuote from: vufan75 on April 08, 2019, 07:33:16 PMInteresting last 2 years stats on 2019 recruit Ben Krikke. Great stat lines both years per tweets by Michael Osipoff of the Post-Trib. Considering our needs going forward outstanding stats for scoring avg, 2 point and 3 point shooting %, rebounding, and FT shooting %. All areas we have struggled with in recent years. Biggest question I have is what was the level of competition that Krikke played against to get these #'s. But at a glance looks like a solid player. Per Osipoff tweets..... "Some additional details on #Valparaiso commit Ben Krikke, from his Jasper Place coach/athletic director Matt Burrows: As a junior, Krikke averaged 32 points and 12 rebounds. Shot 64.4 percent (186-289) on 2s, 44.4 percent (24-54) on 3s and 84.3 percent (102-121) on FTs." "As a senior (in fewer minutes because of blowout wins), Krikke averaged 28 points and 12 rebounds. Shot 67.0 percent (189-282) on 2s, 35.7 percent (40-112) on 3s and 82.5 percent (85-103) on FTs." #Valparaiso Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk
Maybe I looked at the wrong reel, isn't he extraordinarily slow of foot?
Hadn't seen this one https://youtu.be/2tKAxHRiCXY (https://youtu.be/2tKAxHRiCXY)
I thought and, at this point still think, he looked slow afoot in his highlights which were from last season. The workout I don't think tells you anything. We need to see him vs. his peers and not vs. air.
44.4% and 35.7% from 3 his junior and senior years respectively. Strong #'s for a 6-9 PF type guy!
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Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on April 08, 2019, 08:32:56 PM
Hadn't seen this one
https://youtu.be/2tKAxHRiCXY (https://youtu.be/2tKAxHRiCXY)
How in the world did you find a 15 minute workout video? lol. Enjoyed every minute. Very impressive player! BTW, to an earlier point someone made, I don't care if he played against the equivalent of Lake Station and Whiting, those jr/sr scoring stats are very impressive.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on April 08, 2019, 08:06:39 PM
Maybe I looked at the wrong reel, isn't he extraordinarily slow of foot?
Smits was an offensive plus for Valpo and he certainly didn't look any faster on the court. The slow pace at which a certain player plays is not a plus but is not necessarily a minus.
Quote from: bbtds on April 09, 2019, 01:38:37 AM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on April 08, 2019, 08:06:39 PM
Maybe I looked at the wrong reel, isn't he extraordinarily slow of foot?
Smits was an offensive plus for Valpo and he certainly didn't look any faster on the court. The slow pace at which a certain player plays is not a plus but is not necessarily a minus.
Point taken, but is he more of a C? My understanding is he's intended to play PF?
The good thing about these northern European guys is that they think we are a great place because we have longer days and warmer weather than their homelands. :lol: :lo
Seriously, I do think there was a natural fit. The Danish guy's name sounds like Vanilla Freeze. Also fits in well.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on April 09, 2019, 05:56:48 AM
Maybe I looked at the wrong reel, isn't he extraordinarily slow of foot?
FieldGoodie05, I couldn't figure out if you were trying to be funny or what... "extraordinarily slow of foot" now that would be a sight to see for a kid averaging 28 PPG. Maybe a slapstick comedy with this super slow kid scoring at will while all the average kids around him can't adjust to his extraordinarily slow movement. :lol:
He doesn't appear to be really athletic, but the video I relied upon the most is the Junior Year Highlights along with his stats showing that he can certainly shoot the ball and has some decent post moves. Would be interesting to see some current video, especially since he appears to have grown more based on the Canadian U17 team stats and the North Pole Hoops website. As some others have mentioned, we have had some pretty successful players that I would not have categorized as fleet of foot.
Quote from: FWalum on April 09, 2019, 01:17:30 PM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on April 09, 2019, 05:56:48 AM
Maybe I looked at the wrong reel, isn't he extraordinarily slow of foot?
FieldGoodie05, I couldn't figure out if you were trying to be funny or what... "extraordinarily slow of foot" now that would be a sight to see for a kid averaging 28 PPG. Maybe a slapstick comedy with this super slow kid scoring at will while all the average kids around him can't adjust to his extraordinarily slow movement. :lol:
He doesn't appear to be really athletic, but the video I relied upon the most is the Junior Year Highlights along with his stats showing that he can certainly shoot the ball and has some decent post moves. Would be interesting to see some current video, especially since he appears to have grown more based on the Canadian U17 team stats and the North Pole Hoops website. As some others have mentioned, we have had some pretty successful players that I would not have categorized as fleet of foot.
Admittedly my wording was overly dramatic. My concern is that he best mirrors Krutwig (Loyola) but Krutwig appears to be significantly better in the foot work department. But to your point, I'd imagine most high school juniors would fall short against a college kid with Final 4 experience.
My concern is...can he keep up with legit athletes with size that reside in the MVC? He's from a part of Canada with limited competition. See Parker Hazen for comparison purposes.
I'm not concerned. No one is characterizing him as the Messiah for the team. If he can develop like Chris Ensminger I will be pleased.
I've only seen a few highlight videos from each guy so I don't really have a feel for what they'll bring to the table. The only thing that really stood out was that it looks like all guys can shoot it. Idk how well they can, but it sounds like Krigges via the stats can fill it up but what was the competition level he was playing against? Was he play the same "level" of basketball that Sackey was at his prep school? I'm only vaguely familiar with the Canadian prep system. I know he's from Edmonton which doesn't typically produce the most talent but it could also mean he was "overlooked" and a diamond in the rough. Either way all these guys are very intriguing for varying reasons. They may not be the best athletes but maybe they have the potential to be more complete players and more coachable than most. I think that may have been a pitfall of the coaching staffs recruiting the last few years. They may have have been going for the better athletes with bigger flaws in their games as opposed to guys that have a chance to be more well rounded but "lesser" athletes.
It's seems like the PG Lorange can really shoot it and has a decent feel for the game. My only concern with him is that you can't play him and Sackey at the same time unless the other team is playing small ball. At the end of the season teams were attacking Sackey's size and posting him up in the post and it was clearly working. Good team defense can only help so much in that situation. Now if we have two guys in that situation it could get ugly. It will be interesting to see the lineup combos with these two.
Freese-Vilien is very intriguing to me because he has only been playing basketball for a few years and you can tell through the highlights that he has some decent moves for such an inexperienced player, which suggests he's coachable and he's a good student of the game, as well as having natural coordination for a kid that size. There could be a lot of untapped potential here that could possibly make him a steal. Reminds me slightly of Vashil. Vashil didn't pickup the game till very late in his youth and it was definitely a steep learning curve but the reward was well worth in the the end, because he had so much undeveloped potential to start with. Obviously they have very different physical gifts and will likely have different styles but you get where I'm coming from.
This is a very intriguing freshman class with Donovan Clay. I'm not sure any of them will have as large of an impact as JFL had last year but it's very rare for a freshman to be as polished as he was. I'm thinking it might be wise to fill the roster out with grad-transfer with the final two scholarships unless there is a potential high impact freshman or red-shirt transfer that makes it worth it for the future.
Of the three foreign recruits who do you think has the potential become the biggest impact player (play maker) in the future?
Like JFL, Donovan was a First team All-State Illinois player, except 5 inches taller. Both are known for the defense (guarding the other teams best player) Donovan showed his ability, holding the reigning Mr. Basketball to well under his averages. I think he will be the steal of the group and I hold out much hope for the other new guys. Donovan was overlooked as he grew so much his last year.
Quote from: vu72 on April 09, 2019, 06:07:49 PM
Like JFL, Donovan was a First team All-State Illinois player, except 5 inches taller. Both are known for the defense (guarding the other teams best player) Donovan showed his ability, holding the reigning Mr. Basketball to well under his averages. I think he will be the steal of the group and I hold out much hope for the other new guys. Donovan was overlooked as he grew so much his last year.
Agreed. I think part of the reason is because he was such a late bloomer physically and because he lives in Southern Illinois. If he grew up and played in Chicago there would be more eyeballs on him. The Chicagoland hype train is real.
I'm not sure he'll be as polished as JFL was but I guess we'll find out. He has a lot of room on his frame to fill out and get stronger the next couple years.
Quote from: VU2014 on April 09, 2019, 05:44:18 PM
I've only seen a few highlight videos from each guy so I don't really have a feel for what they'll bring to the table. The only thing that really stood out was that it looks like all guys can shoot it. Idk how well they can, but it sounds like Kronos via the stats can fill it up but what was the competition level he was playing against? Was he play the same "level" of basketball that Sackey was at his prep school? I'm only vaguely familiar with the Canadian prep system. I know he's from Edmonton which doesn't typically produce the most talent but it could also mean he was "overlooked" and a diamond in the rough. Either way all these guys are very intriguing for varying reasons. They may not be the best athletes but maybe they have the potential to be more complete players and more coachable than most. I think that may have been a pitfall of the coaching staffs recruiting the last few years. They may have have been going for the better athletes with bigger flaws in their games as opposed to guys that have a chance to be more well rounded but "lesser" athletes.
It's seems like the PG Lorange can really shoot it and has a decent feel for the game. My only concern with him is that you can't play him and Sackey at the same time unless the other team is playing small ball. At the end of the season teams were attacking Sackey's size and posting him up in the post and it was clearly working. Good team defense can only help so much in that situation. Now if we have two guys in that situation it could get ugly. It will be interesting to see the lineup combos with these two.
Freese-Vilien is very intriguing to me because he has only been playing basketball for a few years and you can tell through the highlights that he has some decent moves for such an inexperienced player, which suggests he's coachable and he's a good student of the game, as well as having natural coordination for a kid that size. There could be a lot of untapped potential here that could possibly make him a steal. Reminds me slightly of Vashil. Vashil didn't pickup the game till very late in his youth and it was definitely a steep learning curve but the reward was well worth in the the end, because he had so much undeveloped potential to start with. Obviously they have very different physical gifts and will likely have different styles but you get where I'm coming from.
This is a very intriguing freshman class with Donovan Clay. I'm not sure any of them will have as large of an impact as JFL had last year but it's very rare for a freshman to be as polished as he was. I'm thinking it might be wise to fill the roster out with grad-transfer with the final two scholarships unless there is a potential high impact freshman or red-shirt transfer that makes it worth it for the future.
Of the three foreign recruits who do you think has the potential become the biggest impact player (play maker) in the future?
PG, only because we HAD a team full of poor shooters. He's like an oasis in the desert if he can get off shots against quicker/bigger guys.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on April 09, 2019, 06:50:26 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on April 09, 2019, 05:44:18 PM
I've only seen a few highlight videos from each guy so I don't really have a feel for what they'll bring to the table. The only thing that really stood out was that it looks like all guys can shoot it. Idk how well they can, but it sounds like Kronos via the stats can fill it up but what was the competition level he was playing against? Was he play the same "level" of basketball that Sackey was at his prep school? I'm only vaguely familiar with the Canadian prep system. I know he's from Edmonton which doesn't typically produce the most talent but it could also mean he was "overlooked" and a diamond in the rough. Either way all these guys are very intriguing for varying reasons. They may not be the best athletes but maybe they have the potential to be more complete players and more coachable than most. I think that may have been a pitfall of the coaching staffs recruiting the last few years. They may have have been going for the better athletes with bigger flaws in their games as opposed to guys that have a chance to be more well rounded but "lesser" athletes.
It's seems like the PG Lorange can really shoot it and has a decent feel for the game. My only concern with him is that you can't play him and Sackey at the same time unless the other team is playing small ball. At the end of the season teams were attacking Sackey's size and posting him up in the post and it was clearly working. Good team defense can only help so much in that situation. Now if we have two guys in that situation it could get ugly. It will be interesting to see the lineup combos with these two.
Freese-Vilien is very intriguing to me because he has only been playing basketball for a few years and you can tell through the highlights that he has some decent moves for such an inexperienced player, which suggests he's coachable and he's a good student of the game, as well as having natural coordination for a kid that size. There could be a lot of untapped potential here that could possibly make him a steal. Reminds me slightly of Vashil. Vashil didn't pickup the game till very late in his youth and it was definitely a steep learning curve but the reward was well worth in the the end, because he had so much undeveloped potential to start with. Obviously they have very different physical gifts and will likely have different styles but you get where I'm coming from.
This is a very intriguing freshman class with Donovan Clay. I'm not sure any of them will have as large of an impact as JFL had last year but it's very rare for a freshman to be as polished as he was. I'm thinking it might be wise to fill the roster out with grad-transfer with the final two scholarships unless there is a potential high impact freshman or red-shirt transfer that makes it worth it for the future.
Of the three foreign recruits who do you think has the potential become the biggest impact player (play maker) in the future?
PG, only because we HAD a team full of poor shooters. He's like an oasis in the desert if he can get off shots against quicker/bigger guys.
Don't count out Krikke. He looks like a dead-eye shooter. He made a huge variety and volume of shots while the camera continued to roll in that 15-minute practice video. It would take 15 hours of edited Sorolla practice tape to get the same number of makes.
Found some current video. If anyone is interested in investing the time, there are full videos of the ASAA 4A Jasper Place (Ben Krikke's High School) tournament games on the Alberta Schools' Athletic Association YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ0hxeEdxRbxcJjt5W8Eclg/videos (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ0hxeEdxRbxcJjt5W8Eclg/videos) Interesting that they play 10 minute quarters with a 24 second shot clock.
Great find FWalum.
Looks a lot better with the feet in this video. Played more like a forward than a center as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3o-XusNwA_Y
BTW the 2 schools in the Alberta 4A championship game are from Edmonton (pop. 1 million) and Calgary (pop. 1.2 million). The total population in Alberta is 4.3 million, approximately the same as Kentucky. This is big time HS basketball.
Quote from: wh on April 10, 2019, 12:44:15 AM
BTW the 2 schools in the Alberta 4A championship game are from Edmonton (pop. 1 million) and Calgary (pop. 1.2 million). The total population in Alberta is 4.3 million, approximately the same as Kentucky. This is big time HS basketball.
I travel Alberta for work, THAT's big time high school hockey.
https://twitter.com/scottybscout/status/1116092292425756682
Quote from: crusader05 on April 10, 2019, 05:12:00 PM
https://twitter.com/scottybscout/status/1116092292425756682
Ash appears to have been a backup most of his career, but seems to fit the high character mold that we believe ML and company are looking for right now. Was a team captain at NW last year before being shut down early in the season with a knee injury.
https://dailynorthwestern.com/2019/03/18/sports/mens-basketball-jordan-ash-to-transfer-for-final-year-of-eligibility/ (https://dailynorthwestern.com/2019/03/18/sports/mens-basketball-jordan-ash-to-transfer-for-final-year-of-eligibility/)
I'm getting more excited about this new recruiting class by the day:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7JZIJvw4wM&feature=share
Quote from: wh on April 10, 2019, 08:21:39 PM
I'm getting more excited about this new recruiting class by the day:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7JZIJvw4wM&feature=share
What's so interesting about Freese-Vilien is that he's only been playing basketball for a few years. Means there could still be a lot of untapped potential.
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/1116019575441719296
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/1116019813497942017
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/1116020449626984448
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/1116020907330416640
I talk a lot on defense, too, so hopefully, he's not using the same phrases I use -- "my bad," "lost him, help," "switch," "that was a really nice [shot, move, rebound, etc.]."
as long as most of his talking isn't at the refs after they call a foul on him i'll be happy.
Loving the Vanilla Freeze highlights.
1) He dunked......twice!
2) He used both of his hands
3) He caught a ball in the air and put it on the rim without coming down
Those are three improvements already. :) Seriously he does look to have some fluid movement and good feet.
Two Takeaways
1. The infamous hook shot will live on, post-Smarolla
2. Am I the only one who thinks the ball they use in the Euro League makes for a prettier looking rotation than the US ball?
Quote from: crusadermoe on April 11, 2019, 10:02:14 AM
Loving the Vanilla Freeze highlights.
1) He dunked......twice!
2) He used both of his hands
3) He caught a ball in the air and put it on the rim without coming down
Those are three improvements already. :) Seriously he does look to have some fluid movement and good feet.
The American bigs we've had have zero range. These new guys are more like a Raitis who could shoot the three. Once you move outside of the key and still have the ability to put up a shot and make it, defenses have to change and that will be more in tune with the MVC and the guys we face.
Quote from: vu72 on April 11, 2019, 10:47:07 AM
Quote from: crusadermoe on April 11, 2019, 10:02:14 AM
Loving the Vanilla Freeze highlights.
1) He dunked......twice!
2) He used both of his hands
3) He caught a ball in the air and put it on the rim without coming down
Those are three improvements already. :) Seriously he does look to have some fluid movement and good feet.
The American bigs we've had have zero range. These new guys are more like a Raitis who could shoot the three. Once you move outside of the key and still have the ability to put up a shot and make it, defenses have to change and that will be more in tune with the MVC and the guys we face.
For those who don't go back to the Raitis Grafs days, "72 just paid our new guys a high compliment. Raitis was voted 5th best Crusader of all time by the Indianapolis Star.
https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/2017/11/02/building-best-valparaiso-basketball-lineup-past-25-years/815653001/
From Wikipedia:
As a teenager, Grafs was regarded as one of the best prospects in Europe averaging 13.8 points and 10.5 rebounds at the 1998 U18 European Championship. He posted similar numbers (11.9 ppg and 11.0 rpg) at the 1999 World Junior Championship during which he was voted a First Team All-Star. At 16 years 5 months, Grafs became the youngest Latvian National Team member. For the next step in his career he chose to study at Valparaiso University; during four years at Valparaiso University (NCAA) he was nominated newcomer of the year in the conference. After university he returned to Europe and played in Belgium, Poland, Lithuania, Slovakia, Estonia, Cyprus and Latvia.
I saw Grafs play three games in St. Louis in the fall of '99 (VU beat Mississippi State, lost to Murray State and Evansville) and he had such great footwork. Really smooth for a big man.
I'd have to believe that if this Mr Freeze was a badminton player he should have good footwork.
Record-setting night at Alberta Basketball All-Star Showcase
Apr. 09, 2019
The 2019 Alberta Basketball All-Star Showcase, which took place at Harry Ainlay High School on April 9, was one for the books.
Records were shattered in the boys all-star game, as MVP Ben Krikke (Jasper Place) scored 37 points to lead Team Hoyt to a 164-113 win over Team Burrows. Krikke's point total, which included an incredible 23 points in the opening five and a half minutes of the game, was a new record, while the 164 points scored by Team Hoyt, and the the 287 combined points were both the most in the history of the game.
http://abbasketball.ca/article/50866
Ben's winning dunk in the slam dunk contest. This guy is a stud!
https://www.twitter.com/BrianSwane/status/1115802487783428098
Quote from: wh on April 11, 2019, 09:50:45 PMBen's winning dunk in the slam dunk contest. This guy is a stud! https://www.twitter.com/BrianSwane/status/1115802487783428098
Just curious. Do you watch much high school basketball?
Quote from: JD24 on April 11, 2019, 10:53:37 PM
Quote from: wh on April 11, 2019, 09:50:45 PMBen's winning dunk in the slam dunk contest. This guy is a stud! https://www.twitter.com/BrianSwane/status/1115802487783428098
Just curious. Do you watch much high school basketball?
Enough to know how consistently ignorant your player observations are. Like the one below that changed every time someone questioned your judgement. You backpedaled so much, you were almost starting to make sense. Almost. :cheers:
Quote from: JD24 on April 07, 2019, 10:30:45 PM
Krikke played in the Bio-Steel game last week and played 13mins. 6 rebounds and 1-3 for 3 points. He made his only 3 pointer.
Highlights I can find of him are all from a year ago. He's a little awkward in movement which may work in his favor since he isn't where most people think he's going to be when he's shooting as a for instance. His outside shot is also kind of funky but it apparently goes in which is all that counts. He appears a bit slow afoot on video but I thought Alec Peters looked the same all the way through his Valpo career.
Quote from: wh on April 11, 2019, 09:50:45 PM
Ben's winning dunk in the slam dunk contest. This guy is a stud!
https://www.twitter.com/BrianSwane/status/1115802487783428098
I do believe he's more athletic than my limited viewing had me believe. He's not got great foot speed (neither did Adekoya or Peters) but that dunk sequence (twisting and finishing) has me wondering if he's more athletic than the aforementioned players. I'd submit that dunk takes more body control than either had during their time at VU.
Knee jerk assessment but has me rethinking my earlier concern a bit.
I am wondering the following: Does the coaching staff have a heart to heart with players after the season to assess their projected role going into next year, given what is returning AND. what is likely to be coming in new? If this sort of thing occurred, how did it effect players decisions to transfer?
So the conversation with Bakari might have gone something like this" "So next year it looks like Micah will be back at full strength and of of course there is Daniel, but you also must know that we believe we will be adding a point from Canada that can really fill it up." Bakari: "What about the two guard?" Response: "Bakari, you know that Eron and Nick are going to be eligible and you know what they can do. Also, we believe we are adding a kid that might be a first team all-Illinois player who is like 6'6" or so." Bakari: :Ok, got it. I'm out of here"
And now I'm also thinking that this sort of conversation may have happened with J as well. It seemed hard to believe that when Derrik left a guy who was going to be "the guy" in the middle would also leave, but, if the coaching staff told him that in all likelihood we were going to be adding some foreign bigs who were athletic and who could shoot it with range so that J's role would be part time, as a defensive stopper of sorts, that J's decision looked easier as he hoped to go someplace where he really would be "the guy" or go pro. Who knows. :crazy:
Quote from: vu72 on April 12, 2019, 07:23:30 AM
I am wondering the following: Does the coaching staff have a heart to heart with players after the season to assess their projected role going into next year, given what is returning AND. what is likely to be coming in new? If this sort of thing occurred, how did it effect players decisions to transfer?
So the conversation with Bakari might have gone something like this" "So next year it looks like Micah will be back at full strength and of of course there is Daniel, but you also must know that we believe we will be adding a point from Canada that can really fill it up." Bakari: "What about the two guard?" Response: "Bakari, you know that Eron and Nick are going to be eligible and you know what they can do. Also, we believe we are adding a kid that might be a first team all-Illinois player who is like 6'6" or so." Bakari: :Ok, got it. I'm out of here"
And now I'm also thinking that this sort of conversation may have happened with J as well. It seemed hard to believe that when Derrik left a guy who was going to be "the guy" in the middle would also leave, but, if the coaching staff told him that in all likelihood we were going to be adding some foreign bigs who were athletic and who could shoot it with range so that J's role would be part mtime, as a defensive stopper of sorts, that J's decision looked easier as he hoped to go someplace where he really would be "the guy" or go pro. Who knows. :crazy:
To your point, the more we learn about these new recruits, the more obvious it is becoming that we didn't just stumble across these guys 2 weeks ago. We have been building relationships with them over time, waiting for transfers out to pull the trigger.
Quote from: VU75 on April 11, 2019, 09:21:02 PM
I'd have to believe that if this Mr Freeze was a badminton player he should have good footwork.
And unlike a lot of our former big men he would likely have good hands.
Quote from: vu72 on April 12, 2019, 07:23:30 AM
I am wondering the following: Does the coaching staff have a heart to heart with players after the season to assess their projected role going into next year, given what is returning AND. what is likely to be coming in new? If this sort of thing occurred, how did it effect players decisions to transfer?
So the conversation with Bakari might have gone something like this" "So next year it looks like Micah will be back at full strength and of of course there is Daniel, but you also must know that we believe we will be adding a point from Canada that can really fill it up." Bakari: "What about the two guard?" Response: "Bakari, you know that Eron and Nick are going to be eligible and you know what they can do. Also, we believe we are adding a kid that might be a first team all-Illinois player who is like 6'6" or so." Bakari: :Ok, got it. I'm out of here"
And now I'm also thinking that this sort of conversation may have happened with J as well. It seemed hard to believe that when Derrik left a guy who was going to be "the guy" in the middle would also leave, but, if the coaching staff told him that in all likelihood we were going to be adding some foreign bigs who were athletic and who could shoot it with range so that J's role would be part time, as a defensive stopper of sorts, that J's decision looked easier as he hoped to go someplace where he really would be "the guy" or go pro. Who knows. :crazy:
Those discussions certainly take place. Also, the guys leaving had a chance to see Gordon and Robinson every day in practice, so they would likely know that those guys would be getting significant playing time next year. However it happened, ML is clearing the roster of guys recruited to play in the Horizon and getting some upgraded talent.
I don't know anything about the new guys. But I will say this,
From my perch in the 4th row, I saw a face on Smits and Evelyn about three to four times per game after a missed shot which was a questioning/confused/upset glare toward the refs obviously questioning why a foul wasn't called. In the meantime, while that face was being made and no attention was being paid to the unfolding play, the other team was streaking toward the other end of the court for a lightly contested layup. I never saw that face from Peters, Broekhoff, Dority, Van Wijk, Adekoya, etc., etc., etc. I hope our new recruits don't bring it. I'll be happy if I never see that play sequence again.
Quote from: 4throwfan on April 12, 2019, 10:29:28 AM
I don't know anything about the new guys. But I will say this,
From my perch in the 4th row, I saw a face on Smits and Evelyn about three to four times per game after a missed shot which was a questioning/confused/upset glare toward the refs obviously questioning why a foul wasn't called. In the meantime, while that face was being made and no attention was being paid to the unfolding play, the other team was streaking toward the other end of the court for a lightly contested layup. I never saw that face from Peters, Broekhoff, Dority, Van Wijk, Adekoya, etc., etc., etc. I hope our new recruits don't bring it. I'll be happy if I never see that play sequence again.
Most certainly prima facie evidence. ;)
Next Wednesday is the beginning of the spring signing period. I'll feel relieved when our recruits put their names on a NLOI.
Quote from: wh on April 11, 2019, 12:39:51 PM
Quote from: vu72 on April 11, 2019, 10:47:07 AM
Quote from: crusadermoe on April 11, 2019, 10:02:14 AM
Loving the Vanilla Freeze highlights.
1) He dunked......twice!
2) He used both of his hands
3) He caught a ball in the air and put it on the rim without coming down
Those are three improvements already. :) Seriously he does look to have some fluid movement and good feet.
The American bigs we've had have zero range. These new guys are more like a Raitis who could shoot the three. Once you move outside of the key and still have the ability to put up a shot and make it, defenses have to change and that will be more in tune with the MVC and the guys we face.
For those who don't go back to the Raitis Grafs days, "72 just paid our new guys a high compliment. Raitis was voted 5th best Crusader of all time by the Indianapolis Star.
https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/2017/11/02/building-best-valparaiso-basketball-lineup-past-25-years/815653001/
From Wikipedia:
As a teenager, Grafs was regarded as one of the best prospects in Europe averaging 13.8 points and 10.5 rebounds at the 1998 U18 European Championship. He posted similar numbers (11.9 ppg and 11.0 rpg) at the 1999 World Junior Championship during which he was voted a First Team All-Star. At 16 years 5 months, Grafs became the youngest Latvian National Team member. For the next step in his career he chose to study at Valparaiso University; during four years at Valparaiso University (NCAA) he was nominated newcomer of the year in the conference. After university he returned to Europe and played in Belgium, Poland, Lithuania, Slovakia, Estonia, Cyprus and Latvia.
If Raitis would have really applied himself to basketball as his craft, he would have been in the NBA. Naturally talented, and a great guy, but had a tendency to tune out at times. Don't get me wrong, as I am a huge Raitis fan, and saw his entire career/interacted with him a lot (lived across the hall for a year).
Quote from: wh on April 11, 2019, 11:17:16 PMQuote from: JD24 on April 11, 2019, 10:53:37 PMJust curious. Do you watch much high school basketball?
Enough to know how consistently ignorant your player observations are. Like the one below that changed every time someone questioned your judgement. You backpedaled so much, you were almost starting to make sense. Almost.
So you're answer is a resounding no.
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That was one sweet highlight
Quote from: valpopal on April 12, 2019, 11:14:22 PM
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Oh No!! We are in competition with Detroit???? :o
It's Mike Davis's Detroit so not nearly as bad, but yes... Apparently so...
Quote from: VU75 on April 11, 2019, 09:21:02 PMI'd have to believe that if this Mr Freeze was a badminton player he should have good footwork.
It would be better if he was a cornhole player as he should be able to hit a free throw.....
this is how we evaluate our recruits now. scary.
Yeah I wouldn't mock Detroit. If he's looking for a better facility and a better chance to play in the tournament in his last year he wouldn't pick us.
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on April 13, 2019, 05:12:59 PM
Yeah I wouldn't mock Detroit. If he's looking for a better facility and a better chance to play in the tournament in his last year he wouldn't pick us.
Sure thing. Nothing like playing in front of those Horizon League fans! :rotfl:
Only feels fair that we get one of their guys, when they end up with JFL
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on April 13, 2019, 05:12:59 PM
Yeah I wouldn't mock Detroit. If he's looking for a better facility and a better chance to play in the tournament in his last year he wouldn't pick us.
??? Detroit doesn't have good facilities. They also had a 11-20 record last year and they were pretty much a one man band because the Coaches son was given the green light to play like James Harden.
Mr. Wisconsin Marcus Domask just reopened his recruitment. Definitely worth making a phone call. He decommitted from NKU.
https://www.fdlreporter.com/story/sports/2019/04/15/northern-kentucky-commit-marcus-domask-waupun-reopens-recruitment/3475417002/
The recruits have signed!
http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2018-19/19050/valpo-mens-basketball-signs-four-players-wednesday/
Do we still have room for a transfer or 2 that could come our way? If so, any good prospects where we have a chance?
Quote from: valpo64 on April 17, 2019, 04:47:33 PM
Do we still have room for a transfer or 2 that could come our way? If so, any good prospects where we have a chance?
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26530279/college-basketball-transfer-rankings-2019-20-2020-21
Quote from: humbleopinion on April 17, 2019, 04:44:02 PM
The recruits have signed!
http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2018-19/19050/valpo-mens-basketball-signs-four-players-wednesday/
Excellent recruiting class and wonderful surprise after the recent turmoil.
Soooooo glad to see Donovan Clay's name at the top of the press release. Really glad he did not get cold feet after all of the transfering. I think he is the keystone of this class.
Quote from: VU2014 on April 16, 2019, 09:05:05 PM
Mr. Wisconsin Marcus Domask just reopened his recruitment. Definitely worth making a phone call. He decommitted from NKU.
https://www.fdlreporter.com/story/sports/2019/04/15/northern-kentucky-commit-marcus-domask-waupun-reopens-recruitment/3475417002/
Speak of the devil. Would be Avery nice get for Valpo
https://twitter.com/evan_flood/status/1118614597429288962?s=21
https://twitter.com/rwweinstein/status/1118648850472996864
https://twitter.com/rwweinstein/status/1118648848329715717
https://twitter.com/rwweinstein/status/1118648846094090241
Did Valpo just land a walk-on?
http://www.hudl.com/profile/6270418/Luke-Morrill
https://twitter.com/MontiniBBall/status/1118578600205344771
https://www.montini.org/page.cfm?p=666&newsid=1027
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suY-78RA8NM
Signed and sealed!
http://valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2018-19/19050/valpo-mens-basketball-signs-four-players-wednesday/
Valparaiso offseason notebook: Signees announced, transfer rule change could effect Crusaders
Robbie Weinstein robert.weinstein@nwi.com
28 min ago
https://twitter.com/rwweinstein/status/1118705966919421952
A four score: Valparaiso gains quartet of incoming players as late signing period begins
By Michael Osipoff
Post-Tribune
It's worth noting that many of the Crusaders who transferred played key roles when Valparaiso started 4-0 in the Missouri Valley Conference before injuries hit. Lottich, however, noted at season's end that the program's top priority was cutting down on "the 'me' mentality."
https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/post-tribune/sports/ct-ptb-spt-mens-basketball-valparaiso-recruiting-st-041819-story.html
Did anyone notice that VU advertises in the Illinois Math and Science Academy gym?
Vincennes University!
My son came close to attending IMSA in Aurora 13 years ago but Aurora seemed too far away from Southern Illinois for his mother.
It's nice to see that Matt Lottich is actually available to the media to comment on the incoming recruits. Funny how he wasn't around when everyone was announcing their departures.
Quote from: Valpo89 on April 18, 2019, 08:13:48 AM
It's nice to see that Matt Lottich is actually available to the media to comment on the incoming recruits. Funny how he wasn't around when everyone was announcing their departures.
Might have been overseas. Per NCAA rules you can't talking about recruits publicly till they sign their loi. Give him credit. He was pretty candid in his article with Robbie
I think Paul said that he was already on the road and recruiting when the transfer news hit.
Quote from: wh on April 18, 2019, 03:15:29 AM
A four score: Valparaiso gains quartet of incoming players as late signing period begins
By Michael Osipoff
Post-Tribune
It's worth noting that many of the Crusaders who transferred played key roles when Valparaiso started 4-0 in the Missouri Valley Conference before injuries hit. Lottich, however, noted at season's end that the program's top priority was cutting down on "the 'me' mentality."
https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/post-tribune/sports/ct-ptb-spt-mens-basketball-valparaiso-recruiting-st-041819-story.html
Notwithstanding the reliance on freshman, albeit well traveled freshman with loads of international experience, I like the makeup of this team--which may get better if we can add a fifth year senior or two.
At the five we go from two 7's to smaller, much quicker players who have range beyond three feet. Beyond that, we've replaced two guys in the 6'2"-6'3" range with two guys 6'7". We know that Nick is about the same size as Golder so overall, ex-the inches at center, we will be bigger and hopefully shoot much better. I have hope!
72, I disagree slightly with you. Your comment on "two 7's" relating to "range beyond three feet" implies that the two previous 7's had range within 3 feet. I disagree with that.
Smits did once in a while, but not consistently.
The more I think about it, the more I'm against bringing in some grad transfers. Let's either keep the scholarships open or see if any under recruited freshmen are still available. I also wouldn't use more than one on a transfer who has to sit. Regardless of how good the international players turn out to be, the odds are this is still a Thursday night team next year. And if it is true Lottich has a five year contract, you know we're stuck with him for the duration so we might as well see what he can build. But the excuses have to end.
We're going to go into our third year in a row where our record essentially doesn't matter. The casual fan base has tuned out, and we hardcores are running out of patience. I'm less pessimistic about this program than I was a few weeks ago, but I wouldn't describe myself as optimistic until I see these guys play a few games.
Luke Morrill... looks like "Strong Moral Character" would be an appropriate attribute.
https://wgntv.com/2019/02/24/montini-catholic-comes-together-in-wake-of-two-coaching-tragedies/
I guessing he and Stallings are team GPA boosts.
Quote from: 4throwfan on April 18, 2019, 10:42:11 AM
72, I disagree slightly with you. Your comment on "two 7's" relating to "range beyond three feet" implies that the two previous 7's had range within 3 feet. I disagree with that.
Smits did once in a while, but not consistently.
And yet he shot the best FG% on the
team so nice try but...
The majority of his shots are from 3' in so he should lead the team in fg% shouldn't he?
Quote from: M on April 18, 2019, 05:09:31 PM
The majority of his shots are from 3' in so he should lead the team in fg% shouldn't he?
100% logical
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on April 18, 2019, 06:38:47 PM
Quote from: M on April 18, 2019, 05:09:31 PM
The majority of his shots are from 3' in so he should lead the team in fg% shouldn't he?
100% logical
Except it was implied he didn't have that
range...
Quote from: IndyValpo on April 18, 2019, 08:07:21 PM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on April 18, 2019, 06:38:47 PM
Quote from: M on April 18, 2019, 05:09:31 PM
The majority of his shots are from 3' in so he should lead the team in fg% shouldn't he?
100% logical
Except it was implied he didn't have that
range...
It appears Smits ranked #2 in MVC in FG% @ .594
http://www.mvc.org/mbb/stats/confldrs.htm#conf.wki (http://www.mvc.org/mbb/stats/confldrs.htm#conf.wki)
Quote from: IndyValpo on April 18, 2019, 04:35:06 PMQuote from: 4throwfan on April 18, 2019, 10:42:11 AM72, I disagree slightly with you. Your comment on "two 7's" relating to "range beyond three feet" implies that the two previous 7's had range within 3 feet. I disagree with that. Smits did once in a while, but not consistently.
And yet he shot the best FG% on the team so nice try but...
Don't forget Sorolla is lifetime 100% from 3point range in his time at VU.
Granted it is 2 for 2 but still 100%.lol
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jaume-sorolla-1/gamelog/2017/
Unfortunately Sorolla's long range shooting is being a tad bit glorified.
1st game of 2016 went 0-1 from 3
In the 17-18 season he missed his only 3 in a loss to Ball State
18-19 season he was unquestionably our best 3 point shooter going 2-2!
Lifetime avaerage a still impressive 50%.
Indie, being 7 foot tall, and having 2nd best FG% on last year's offensive juggernaut is not exactly a resume builder. Coming in second in field goal percentage is more of a reflection on the other players' inability to score consistently - not every time, but consistently.
Doesn't change the fact that both did miss point blank shots in games that VU lost. So, it is fair to say that that there was inconsistency, and both had difficulty making shots.
Edmonton basketball player Ben Krikke taking his talents to NCAA
By Kevin Karius, Sports Anchor, Global News
April 19, 2019 9:17 pm EST
https://www.google.com/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/5186119/edmonton-basketball-ben-krikke-ncaa/amp/
Nice video interview.
Krikke could be our next Rowdy. He is smooth. There are natural things about how he moves. Just sayin........
Quote from: VULB#62 on April 19, 2019, 10:38:04 PM
Krikke could be our next Rowdy. He is smooth. There are natural things about how he moves. Just sayin........
I love the enthusiasm but need to see play D1 basketball first.That is a very lofty expectation or hopes. But do like the tape I've seen
I also reserve judgement on Krikke. Playing basketball in Canada is much like playing soccer in the US. Things are getting better than they were previously but they haven't quite reached the quality of the originating country of the sport.
Canada is now one of the world's top sources of elite prep basketball recruits
As the country becomes more diverse, more kids play hoops than hockey
https://www.google.com/amp/s/theundefeated.com/features/canada-world-top-elite-prep-basketball/amp/
Quote from: VULB#62 on April 19, 2019, 10:38:04 PM
Krikke could be our next Rowdy. He is smooth. There are natural things about how he moves. Just sayin........
Hey 62! Wasn't it you who was recently bemoaning the fact that Valpo couldn't find their recruits in the states? ;)
Quote from: wh on April 20, 2019, 05:38:43 AM
Canada is now one of the world's top sources of elite prep basketball recruits
As the country becomes more diverse, more kids play hoops than hockey
https://www.google.com/amp/s/theundefeated.com/features/canada-world-top-elite-prep-basketball/amp/
Yet NCAA numbers of Canadians, which is rising, is much like the NHL in the 1970's where Americans were increasing greatly in number but still very much behind the Canadians in number.
Quote from: VU2014 on April 17, 2019, 07:57:46 PM
Did Valpo just land a walk-on?
http://www.hudl.com/profile/6270418/Luke-Morrill
https://twitter.com/MontiniBBall/status/1118578600205344771
Could someone provide more info on Luke Morrill? I haven't seen anything from the official ValpoAthletics website. Does that mean there is something preventing him from signing a LOI, or is it that he is a preferred walk-on so there won't be a signing?
Quote from: valpo95 on April 22, 2019, 12:45:05 AMCould someone provide more info on Luke Morrill? I haven't seen anything from the official ValpoAthletics website. Does that mean there is something preventing him from signing a LOI, or is it that he is a preferred walk-on so there won't be a signing?
I found this and I think it spells the answer out pretty well. Technically they don't have to sign anything but they can if it makes them feel better. I don't recall any announcement about Stalling's addition to the team either.
Technically You Don't Have Anything to Sign
If you are not going to be receiving an athletic scholarship (only available at NAIA, NCAA DI and DII schools) then you technically don't have to sign anything on signing day. There are two documents you sign on sign day: 1) Your national letter of intent (NLI) and 2) your financial aid agreement. Non-scholarship athletes do not need to sign an NLI, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't have something there to celebrate their achievement.
Hopefully the coaches are still getting after it for next season, another spot may be opening up soon.
Oh good, the "I know something that I can't tell but I want you to know that I know," crowd is back this morning.
If it's one of the key guys it's just another gut punch. Is it Micah? Or Mileek? Losing Mileek would hurt more because of how thin we are in the front court.
Whenever Lottich says he'd be surprised somebody leaves expect at least one player to announce his exit. Makes you wonder how long these international kids are going to stick around if Lottich doesn't get results immediately. VU really should have fired him and begged for Bryce's return. Or hired Diebler Or Tonagel Or somebody.
Look out! The Drew virus has returned. Is there any vaccine left?
More cowbell.
As long as it isn't Daniel, Ryan, Eron or Nick, I could not care less. I'm thrilled that we're turning over the keys to this group, along with a fresh crop of freshmen who can't wait to make their mark on Valpo basketball. With the possible exception of Freeman, the players who transferred out were not greater than the sum of their parts, and that's as big a compliment as I can pay them. They had the world by the tail in terms of playing time. They had every opportunity to establish themselves as a force to be reckoned with, not only 1 year but 2, yet folded like a house of cards. When it was all over, their packed their bags and ran out the back door, leaving the coaching staff and remaining teammates to clean up THEIR mess. If there remains another unhappy little camper from that bunch of over valued, underachieving babies, please go! I'm begging you!
Both Lottich and Oren have stated they didn't expect any more departures. I'm hoping that they're right.
Quote from: EddieCabot on April 22, 2019, 12:47:53 PM
Both Lottich and Oren have stated they didn't expect any more departures. I'm hoping that they're right.
I was just going to say the same thing. If anybody it might be Micah, as many of us thought he would be the only transfer months ago. With expectation of Lorange, perhaps expected playing time may have been the issue. Let's hope not, we need veteran experience on this team.
Quote from: VU2014 on April 22, 2019, 11:19:25 AMIf it's one of the key guys it's just another gut punch. Is it Micah? Or Mileek? Losing Mileek would hurt more because of how thin we are in the front court.
Looks like maybe both unfortunately
https://twitter.com/AlBillets/status/1120394343477596160
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on April 22, 2019, 11:47:09 AM
Whenever Lottich says he'd be surprised somebody leaves expect at least one player to announce his exit. Makes you wonder how long these international kids are going to stick around if Lottich doesn't get results immediately. VU really should have fired him and begged for Bryce's return. Or hired Diebler Or Tonagel Or somebody.
Downward spiral. Time for the dopamine.
Prosper Obidiebube
Year: 2019 (HS SR)
Position: PF
Height: 6-8
Weight: 210
High School: St. Anthony Catholic High School
https://twitter.com/aspireacademyky/status/1120769798672199680
https://twitter.com/getmerecruited/status/1075875757417787399
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSmmxNP1yAM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHdMP8WsihY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzpIz8a4IBM
I want this dude to come to Valpo just so JB has to learn this pronunciation.
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on April 23, 2019, 08:30:30 PMI want this dude to come to Valpo just so JB has to learn this pronunciation.
If he's as good as the highlight reels... I WILL learn it... quickly !!
Quote from: talksalot on April 25, 2019, 11:54:16 AM
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on April 23, 2019, 08:30:30 PMI want this dude to come to Valpo just so JB has to learn this pronunciation.
If he's as good as the highlight reels... I WILL learn it... quickly !!
I have no doubt. JB, as referenced previously, does a superb job with pronunciations.
Maybe you could throw a ValparIso in there every once in a while to throw the opposing broadcasters off.
Just kidding! ;)
SKOGMAN. Where do we stand????? He did not sign at the NLI period start, right? Are we seriously pursuing him or did we just drop an offer on his doorstep and then forgot about it? Are we putting on a full court press or just hoping? Is he a program changer for us versus a role player in a P5 program? Or is he a legit P5 starter?
All that being said, even with or without him we still don't have a rim protector/rebounder. Dang, I miss Moussa but Vashil even more.
Quote from: VULB#62 on April 25, 2019, 07:40:49 PM
SKOGMAN. Where do we stand????? He did not sign at the NLI period start, right? Are we seriously pursuing him or did we just drop an offer on his doorstep and then forgot about it? Are we putting on a full court press or just hoping? Is he a program changer for us versus a role player in a P5 program? Or is he a legit P5 starter?
All that being said, even with or without him we still don't have a rim protector/rebounder. Dang, I miss Moussa but Vashil even more.
I don't know any specific about his recruitment but I've loosely been following it and it seems he has his sites set on being at high major. He is drawing major interest from some big time schools. Wisconsin pretty much slapped him in the face by offering him to be a preferred walk-on. Marquette jumped in the mix when Hauser bros ditched town. I wouldn't get your hopes up on this one, but you never know I guess.
Valpo is out on Dosmak. It's ok because we have JFL back!
https://twitter.com/wisbbyearbook/status/1123974244696825856?s=21
Wow I didn't see this one coming. I thought Skogman was for see high major bound. Very big get for Buffalo
https://twitter.com/wisbbyearbook/status/1124103651390369792?s=21
Great article about Donovan Clay!
https://advantagenews.com/sports/alton-bboys-basketball-player-of-the-year/
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Quote from: valpopal on May 07, 2019, 10:29:43 AM
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I wonder if Javon announcing his return took a scholarship off the board and ruled prosper out as a potential offer. With only the one scholarship left, an experienced big man became even more of a priority *Cough Jay Sollora cough*. Jay is just such a natural fit from a need and experience standpoint. Any of you thinking that we're going to land a big man grad-transfer who is as good defensively as him in this current transfer market need a reality check. This team doesn't need a offense first big. We need a solid to above average defensive big man who can be relied upon to play 25-30 minutes and that's exactly what Jay offers. High majors and very quality programs have been showing some level of interest. Hopefully he doesn't leave Valpo because he could have a big impact at Valpo next season even if he doesn't put up huge offensive stats.
At this point, Sorolla's best option would be Valpo. He would be the main big man, he knows what to expect, and he will supposedly have more shooters around him to space the floor. Anywhere else is a mystery. He can play himself into a nice European contract at Valpo.
Quote from: valpotx on May 07, 2019, 08:19:49 PM
At this point, Sorolla's best option would be Valpo. He would be the main big man, he knows what to expect, and he will supposedly have more shooters around him to space the floor. Anywhere else is a mystery. He can play himself into a nice European contract at Valpo.
According to VerbalCommits, he would not be a graduate transfer, so he would have to sit a year if he went to another school.
I don't like this business of Sorolla waiting to see if something or someone better comes along, and if not, he might come back, or he might go to Europe, or whatever mights there are. He's not good enough to have that kind of leverage and control over the situation. I think it's far more likely that Matt is diligently searching for someone better, and if he doesn't find him, then, and only then, he might invite Sorolla back (if he's still available at that time).
Quote from: humbleopinion on May 07, 2019, 09:07:27 PM
Quote from: valpotx on May 07, 2019, 08:19:49 PM
At this point, Sorolla's best option would be Valpo. He would be the main big man, he knows what to expect, and he will supposedly have more shooters around him to space the floor. Anywhere else is a mystery. He can play himself into a nice European contract at Valpo.
According to VerbalCommits, he would not be a graduate transfer, so he would have to sit a year if he went to another school.
Oren tweeted in early April that Sorolla is set to graduate in May.
For many years, schools and coaches held all the leverage over the players. With the rise of the AAU programs, 'advisors' like Maravilla, the grad transfer rule, and now the NCAA beginning to give out hardship waivers like candy on Halloween, the leverage has swung completely the other way.
Ideally there would be a nice balance, but with most of these changes benefiting the P5s, I don't see that happening. Welcome to the new
normal.
I am not sure why everyone wants Sorolla back... Not because he is exploring his options, I have no problem with that. But because he is not great at basketball and slows down our offense.
We have an entire team of guards who are defense 1st with the exception of Fazekas and maybe Lorange since I haven't seen him. We can play defense all over the court and hassle the post via double team, disruption of passing lanes, etc.
We need a versatile PF at the 5. NOT Sorolla. We NEED offense still. Unless Sorolla just had a bad year, he is not offense.
Our guards are still not offensive juggernauts. Much more touted for their defense and intangibles, including Robinson.
We need a crafty "big enough" versatile PF. I actually hope Krikke (forgot spelling already) is the guy. He appears to have some size/thickness and can shoot the ball. Perhaps just crafty enough around the rim to be serviceable.
A rim protector would be nice. I know a Vashil isn't going to come around very often, but a guy like that completely eliminated the opponents ability to score in a whole section of the court.
Quote from: SanityLost17 on May 08, 2019, 07:49:24 AMI am not sure why everyone wants Sorolla back... Not because he is exploring his options, I have no problem with that. But because he is not great at basketball and slows down our offense. We have an entire team of guards who are defense 1st with the exception of Fazekas and maybe Lorange since I haven't seen him. We can play defense all over the court and hassle the post via double team, disruption of passing lanes, etc. We need a versatile PF at the 5. NOT Sorolla. We NEED offense still. Unless Sorolla just had a bad year, he is not offense. Our guards are still not offensive juggernauts. Much more touted for their defense and intangibles, including Robinson. We need a crafty "big enough" versatile PF. I actually hope Krikke (forgot spelling already) is the guy. He appears to have some size/thickness and can shoot the ball. Perhaps just crafty enough around the rim to be serviceable.
I think we will play many sets where that is the case.... but that being said a defensive minded true big man would be a good compliment to the rotation, especially when playing teams where they have a strong offensive big man (Loyola). Not having that as an option to go to scares me. I would take a big PF type that can score like you said, but unless we have our eyes set on someone that is a very strong possibility to sign, I'd take the known quantity over rolling the dice and risk being stuck with nothing (or a bust)
Quote from: vuny98 on May 08, 2019, 09:03:06 AM
Quote from: SanityLost17 on May 08, 2019, 07:49:24 AMI am not sure why everyone wants Sorolla back... Not because he is exploring his options, I have no problem with that. But because he is not great at basketball and slows down our offense. We have an entire team of guards who are defense 1st with the exception of Fazekas and maybe Lorange since I haven't seen him. We can play defense all over the court and hassle the post via double team, disruption of passing lanes, etc. We need a versatile PF at the 5. NOT Sorolla. We NEED offense still. Unless Sorolla just had a bad year, he is not offense. Our guards are still not offensive juggernauts. Much more touted for their defense and intangibles, including Robinson. We need a crafty "big enough" versatile PF. I actually hope Krikke (forgot spelling already) is the guy. He appears to have some size/thickness and can shoot the ball. Perhaps just crafty enough around the rim to be serviceable.
I think we will play many sets where that is the case.... but that being said a defensive minded true big man would be a good compliment to the rotation, especially when playing teams where they have a strong offensive big man (Loyola). Not having that as an option to go to scares me. I would take a big PF type that can score like you said, but unless we have our eyes set on someone that is a very strong possibility to sign, I'd take the known quantity over rolling the dice and risk being stuck with nothing (or a bust)
I can see this argument. I still see this team struggling to score though. If Sorolla is back we are basically all defense all the time. The vast majority of the team is defense 1st and it just seems to me like the setup of this team screams "points off turnovers", which includes Fazekas burying 3's in transition.
Sorolla not a big transition offense guy... But maybe with a 4-guard lineup he doesn't need to be.
Quote from: SanityLost17 on May 08, 2019, 07:49:24 AM
I am not sure why everyone wants Sorolla back... Not because he is exploring his options, I have no problem with that. But because he is not great at basketball and slows down our offense.
We have an entire team of guards who are defense 1st with the exception of Fazekas and maybe Lorange since I haven't seen him. We can play defense all over the court and hassle the post via double team, disruption of passing lanes, etc.
We need a versatile PF at the 5. NOT Sorolla. We NEED offense still. Unless Sorolla just had a bad year, he is not offense.
Our guards are still not offensive juggernauts. Much more touted for their defense and intangibles, including Robinson.
We need a crafty "big enough" versatile PF. I actually hope Krikke (forgot spelling already) is the guy. He appears to have some size/thickness and can shoot the ball. Perhaps just crafty enough around the rim to be serviceable.
We ran the offense through a offense first big last season and how did that work out? This team needs a 4 or a 5 who can take on a the bulk of the minutes and play solid-good defense and clean up the glass and get have a solid FG % in the post. Sorolla offers that. Not to mention he has experience playing with a good chunk of the roster. Chemistry is somewhat there already. He's not a perfect player but he's pretty solid and there is some room with upside down with him actually being healthy next season.
I think most of the offense will need to come from the wings and Fazekas. I actually think the backcourt has the chance to be more efficient offensively next season if the Javontakes the next step, along with guys like Sackey taking the next step. There isn't a offensive big man on the transfer market that is going to be a guy you want to run the offense through. I can't emphasize enough how thin the tansfer market is for big men.
Quote from: VU2014 on May 08, 2019, 01:41:11 PM
We ran the offense through a offense first big last season and how did that work out? This team needs a 4 or a 5 who can take on a the bulk of the minutes and play solid-good defense and clean up the glass and get have a solid FG % in the post. Sorolla offers that. Not to mention he has experience playing with a good chunk of the roster. Chemistry is somewhat there already. He's not a perfect player but he's pretty solid and there is some room with upside down with him actually being healthy next season.
I think most of the offense will need to come from the wings and Fazekas. I actually think the backcourt has the chance to be more efficient offensively next season if the Javontakes the next step, along with guys like Sackey taking the next step. There isn't a offensive big man on the transfer market that is going to be a guy you want to run the offense through. I can't emphasize enough how thin the tansfer market is for big men.
Agree with your main point that Valpo's offensive improvement is going to have to come through better play on the wings and guards, but I don't think running the offense through Smits is what caused it to be so poor last year. With Fazekas being hurt so often, Golder regressing, Sorolla having his worst year offensively due to injury, Evelyn having a historically bad year, Freeman being a freshman that needed to grow on the offensive end, and Sackey being so bad offensively, Smits was basically the only offensive bright spot that Valpo had, especially during conference play. I do think Freeman should make a jump offensively, Robinson should at least be solid, Gordon could be good, but given how little he did offensively at Seton Hall, I might temper expectations that he'll be a big-time scorer right away, and Fazekas being healthy might be the biggest factor in how good Valpo can be offensively this year.
Here were Valpo's individual offensive ratings during conference play last year (100 is average) and their total % of offensive possessions used in the conference games they played.
1. Fazekas - 107.9 (4.32%)
2. Smits - 103.5 (16.22%)
3. Kiser - 102.7 (4.19%)
4. Lavender - 99.2 (13.05%)
5. Freeman - 97.5 (16.27%)
6. Sorolla - 96.4 (6.69%)
7. Golder - 91.0 (11.59%)
8. McMillan - 86.7 (3.35%)
9. Evelyn - 81.7 (12.14%)
10. Sackey - 79.7 (10.32%)
So when about 3/4 of the team's total offensive possessions during were used by guys who had below average offensive years in MVC play, you can see why the team's offensive rating was the worst in the league last season. FWIW - Gordon had an offensive efficiency rating of 100.4 and Robinson had a rating of 107.8 in their last years at their previous stops, though neither were heavy usage guys on the offensive end.
Quote from: SanityLost17 on May 08, 2019, 07:49:24 AM
We need a versatile PF at the 5. NOT Sorolla. We NEED offense still. Unless Sorolla just had a bad year, he is not offense.
Our guards are still not offensive juggernauts. Much more touted for their defense and intangibles, including Robinson.
We need a crafty "big enough" versatile PF. I actually hope Krikke (forgot spelling already) is the guy. He appears to have some size/thickness and can shoot the ball. Perhaps just crafty enough around the rim to be serviceable.
If Sorolla does not return, I believe we could get a strong PF who also will be "serviceable."
Quote from: valpopal on May 09, 2019, 12:40:09 PM
Quote from: SanityLost17 on May 08, 2019, 07:49:24 AM
We need a versatile PF at the 5. NOT Sorolla. We NEED offense still. Unless Sorolla just had a bad year, he is not offense.
Our guards are still not offensive juggernauts. Much more touted for their defense and intangibles, including Robinson.
We need a crafty "big enough" versatile PF. I actually hope Krikke (forgot spelling already) is the guy. He appears to have some size/thickness and can shoot the ball. Perhaps just crafty enough around the rim to be serviceable.
If Sorolla does not return, I believe we could get a strong PF who also will be "serviceable."
In all due respect, Sorolla was the back-up center on the 9th place team in the 14th ranked conference. He can be counted on for exactly 0 points. To Sanity's point, you cannot have anyone incapable of scoring playing major minutes on a team without any demonstrated go-to scorers. We at least have to have someone capable of getting a few put backs and an occasional layup. And to pal's point, that guy doesn't have to be a lumbering giant either. With all the personnel changes, my expectations for next year are much higher than they were when the season ended and I thought we were bringing back the same old bunch that rewarded with 9th and 10th place finishes the last 2 seasons. As I see it, we're 1 quality center away from making a run for the MVC championship (insert naysayer groans here). I only hope Matt finds that guy, because Sorolla ain't it.
I agree with wh for the most part, but would frame it a little differently. Bringing Sorolla back likely means stopping a regression, but I don't think it means improving the team more than incrementally, with the incremental part being his own incremental yoy improvement.
Quote from: IrishDawg on May 08, 2019, 08:49:57 PMQuote from: VU2014 on May 08, 2019, 01:41:11 PMWe ran the offense through a offense first big last season and how did that work out? This team needs a 4 or a 5 who can take on a the bulk of the minutes and play solid-good defense and clean up the glass and get have a solid FG % in the post. Sorolla offers that. Not to mention he has experience playing with a good chunk of the roster. Chemistry is somewhat there already. He's not a perfect player but he's pretty solid and there is some room with upside down with him actually being healthy next season. I think most of the offense will need to come from the wings and Fazekas. I actually think the backcourt has the chance to be more efficient offensively next season if the Javontakes the next step, along with guys like Sackey taking the next step. There isn't a offensive big man on the transfer market that is going to be a guy you want to run the offense through. I can't emphasize enough how thin the tansfer market is for big men.
Agree with your main point that Valpo's offensive improvement is going to have to come through better play on the wings and guards, but I don't think running the offense through Smits is what caused it to be so poor last year. With Fazekas being hurt so often, Golder regressing, Sorolla having his worst year offensively due to injury, Evelyn having a historically bad year, Freeman being a freshman that needed to grow on the offensive end, and Sackey being so bad offensively, Smits was basically the only offensive bright spot that Valpo had, especially during conference play. I do think Freeman should make a jump offensively, Robinson should at least be solid, Gordon could be good, but given how little he did offensively at Seton Hall, I might temper expectations that he'll be a big-time scorer right away, and Fazekas being healthy might be the biggest factor in how good Valpo can be offensively this year. Here were Valpo's individual offensive ratings during conference play last year (100 is average) and their total % of offensive possessions used in the conference games they played. 1. Fazekas - 107.9 (4.32%) 2. Smits - 103.5 (16.22%) 3. Kiser - 102.7 (4.19%) 4. Lavender - 99.2 (13.05%) 5. Freeman - 97.5 (16.27%) 6. Sorolla - 96.4 (6.69%) 7. Golder - 91.0 (11.59%) 8. McMillan - 86.7 (3.35%) 9. Evelyn - 81.7 (12.14%) 10. Sackey - 79.7 (10.32%) So when about 3/4 of the team's total offensive possessions during were used by guys who had below average offensive years in MVC play, you can see why the team's offensive rating was the worst in the league last season. FWIW - Gordon had an offensive efficiency rating of 100.4 and Robinson had a rating of 107.8 in their last years at their previous stops, though neither were heavy usage guys on the offensive end.
Can you explain the stat/rating for those on the board who might be interested?
Quote from: JD24 on May 09, 2019, 08:46:17 PM
Can you explain the stat/rating for those on the board who might be interested?
Certainly - it essentially measures an individual player's points per 100 possessions by looking at 4 factors. Effective field goal percentage (like regular field goal %, but factors in that 3 point field goals are worth 1.5 times 2 point field goals), turnover rate, offensive rebounding rate and free throw rate (rate at which a player gets to the foul line). To get a better rating, players need to shoot the ball well, take care of the ball, rebound the ball on the offensive end well and get to the foul line often.
Quote from: IrishDawg on May 10, 2019, 06:59:51 PMQuote from: JD24 on May 09, 2019, 08:46:17 PMCan you explain the stat/rating for those on the board who might be interested?
Certainly - it essentially measures an individual player's points per 100 possessions by looking at 4 factors. Effective field goal percentage (like regular field goal %, but factors in that 3 point field goals are worth 1.5 times 2 point field goals), turnover rate, offensive rebounding rate and free throw rate (rate at which a player gets to the foul line). To get a better rating, players need to shoot the ball well, take care of the ball, rebound the ball on the offensive end well and get to the foul line often.
Thanks and it makes some sense.
Does it measure or is there any measurement of how a player might, for lack of a better way of putting it, hang on to the ball too long while trying to decide what to do with the ball? I'm not being facetious here and I've seen Guards do this as well. I do think this was an issue with Smits last year as the offense what come to a halt while he decided what to do with the ball. I don't know how this would get measured.
Quote from: JD24 on May 10, 2019, 08:28:51 PMDoes it measure or is there any measurement of how a player might, for lack of a better way of putting it, hang on to the ball too long while trying to decide what to do with the ball? I'm not being facetious here and I've seen Guards do this as well. I do think this was an issue with Smits last year as the offense what come to a halt while he decided what to do with the ball. I don't know how this would get measured.
You could invent it by measuring points scored to time handling the ball without an asst or score. You could call it the "IBS, we got the Smits again" stat. IBS stands for Irritable Bad Stall.
Anyone heard any updates on targets for the last scholarship? I think another big guy needs to be added, but maybe the staff will hold it and hope for a home run mid-year transfer.
Quote from: EddieCabot on May 21, 2019, 12:51:07 PMAnyone heard any updates on targets for the last scholarship? I think another big guy needs to be added, but maybe the staff will hold it and hope for a home run mid-year transfer.
I think a quality big man would be the best fit, but I would think that also depends on how confident the staff is on Freese-Vilien. Also, at 6-8 and 6-7, Krikke and Clay have some height as well. So even if we don't add a big man, we have some incoming bodies that have decent height to go along with Mileek and Ryan to compete with most teams inside.
Quote from: EddieCabot on May 21, 2019, 12:51:07 PM
Anyone heard any updates on targets for the last scholarship? I think another big guy needs to be added, but maybe the staff will hold it and hope for a home run mid-year transfer.
If Sorolla is gone then we have two, don't we?
Quote from: vu72 on May 21, 2019, 02:08:12 PMQuote from: EddieCabot on May 21, 2019, 12:51:07 PMAnyone heard any updates on targets for the last scholarship? I think another big guy needs to be added, but maybe the staff will hold it and hope for a home run mid-year transfer.
If Sorolla is gone then we have two, don't we?
Almost positive that the Sorolla was already counted as gone in the scholarship count. So we have one left, if he comes back then we are filled.
Quote from: vu72 on May 21, 2019, 02:08:12 PM
Quote from: EddieCabot on May 21, 2019, 12:51:07 PM
Anyone heard any updates on targets for the last scholarship? I think another big guy needs to be added, but maybe the staff will hold it and hope for a home run mid-year transfer.
If Sorolla is gone then we have two, don't we?
Difficult to keep track. Kiser, Fazekas, Gordon, Robinson, Morgan, McMillen, Sackey, Freeman, Lorange, Clay, Krikke and Freese-Vilien = 12. That leaves one scholarship available for Sorrolla to return or to add another newcomer.
Sounds like a mature high character player we're getting. Can't wait to see how he plays for us.
https://twitter.com/DonovanClay11/status/1132303334466105345
Quote from: VUBBFan on May 25, 2019, 10:49:35 AM
Sounds like a mature high character player we're getting. Can't wait to see how he plays for us.
https://twitter.com/DonovanClay11/status/1132303334466105345
When you read posts like this you are reminded that there is so much more to these young guys than athletic ability.
Former Valpo recruit decommitted from SIU. He initially committed to SIU while Barry Hinson was still the SIU Head Coach. He also mysteriously left his High School basketball team which is a red-flag. I'm not sure if he wanted to be at SIU once Hinson left, because he wasn't Mullins recruit. I'm not sure Valpo is still interested but it's certainly strange timing...
He's uber athletic but doesn't have a consistent jump shot. He's also a little undersized for the 4. He's kind of a tweener. It seemed to have scared off P5s. It seems like wanted to be at P5 but the serious interest that developed his So/Jr season dried up a bit. Valpo was in his "final 3" if I remember correctly.
https://twitter.com/THefferman/status/1138525997064773639
Quote from: VU2014 on June 11, 2019, 06:12:28 PM
Former Valpo recruit decommitted from SIU. He initially committed to SIU while Barry Hinson was still the SIU Head Coach. He also mysteriously left his High School basketball team which is a red-flag. I'm not sure if he wanted to be at SIU once Hinson left, because he wasn't Mullins recruit. I'm not sure Valpo is still interested but it's certainly strange timing...
He's uber athletic but doesn't have a consistent jump shot. He's also a little undersized for the 4. He's kind of a tweener. It seemed to have scared off P5s. It seems like wanted to be at P5 but the serious interest that developed his So/Jr season dried up a bit. Valpo was in his "final 3" if I remember correctly.
https://twitter.com/THefferman/status/1138525997064773639
Before I heard he up and quit his high school team I was high on his heart and abilities. But after reading things like this I think I'd take a pass, we had enough of that selfishness with several players the last few years IMO.
https://www.pantagraph.com/sports/high-school/basketball/bloomington-high-star-chris-payton-leaves-basketball-team/article_6856cf9d-73f0-537b-8058-b788da608765.html (https://www.pantagraph.com/sports/high-school/basketball/bloomington-high-star-chris-payton-leaves-basketball-team/article_6856cf9d-73f0-537b-8058-b788da608765.html)
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on June 11, 2019, 08:25:53 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on June 11, 2019, 06:12:28 PM
Former Valpo recruit decommitted from SIU. He initially committed to SIU while Barry Hinson was still the SIU Head Coach. He also mysteriously left his High School basketball team which is a red-flag. I'm not sure if he wanted to be at SIU once Hinson left, because he wasn't Mullins recruit. I'm not sure Valpo is still interested but it's certainly strange timing...
He's uber athletic but doesn't have a consistent jump shot. He's also a little undersized for the 4. He's kind of a tweener. It seemed to have scared off P5s. It seems like wanted to be at P5 but the serious interest that developed his So/Jr season dried up a bit. Valpo was in his "final 3" if I remember correctly.
https://twitter.com/THefferman/status/1138525997064773639
Before I heard he up and quit his high school team I was high on his heart and abilities. But after reading things like this I think I'd take a pass, we had enough of that selfishness with several players the last few years IMO.
https://www.pantagraph.com/sports/high-school/basketball/bloomington-high-star-chris-payton-leaves-basketball-team/article_6856cf9d-73f0-537b-8058-b788da608765.html (https://www.pantagraph.com/sports/high-school/basketball/bloomington-high-star-chris-payton-leaves-basketball-team/article_6856cf9d-73f0-537b-8058-b788da608765.html)
Yeah his actions sort of feel like the "selfishness" that Coach Lottich said he wanted rid of the team. Or I he defined it as the "me" mentality that I'd love to him further explain about last seasons team. If he ever joins Paul for a podcast I love to hear him expand on that or at least describe what a "me" player is without naming names, which he'd never publicly do.
Quote from: VU2014 on December 31, 1969, 06:02:36 PM
Yeah his actions sort of feel like the "selfishness" that Coach Lottich said he wanted rid of the team. Or I he defined it as the "me" mentality that I'd love to him further explain about last seasons team. If he ever joins Paul for a podcast I love to hear him expand on that or at least describe what a "me" player is without naming names, which he'd never publicly do.
It certainly puts a big question mark over Payton. The fact that his older brother also quit the same high school team in the same manner makes you wonder if it points to a family situation that neither of the brothers could overcome. I would think that Payton would need to prove himself on a lower college level such as Div. II or III or a low major in Div. I before he would be given a chance at a mid-major or high-major program in Div. I. If the situation that made him quit on his HS team is rectified and he proves himself on a college level than maybe Valpo could take a chance on Payton.
Was curious about a couple recruits and how they were doing.
David Skogman is on the Buffalo roster, but has not played this year. Could not determine if they are redshirting him, or if he is injured. Whitesell is the coach there, former Loyola coach.
Prosper Obidiebube has played just 9 games for 38 minutes at UT-Chattanooga.
No opinions just wondering how they were doing.