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Title: Game #23, MVC #12, Evansville in the ARC 3pm Saturday - Bring it
Post by: talksalot on February 02, 2024, 07:08:00 AM
We owe them one...let's see what's happened in the past few games.

They beat us 78-75
Lost at Drake... 97-48.  Ouch
Lost at UNI... 70-63
Beat Illinois State at home 58-54
Beat UIC at home 77-60

and their next game is at home against Bradley

Against us, Toumi with 13, Bailey with 13, Strawbridge with 11 and Thomas with 10.  50% from the field, 62.5% from 3 (10 of 16) and 14 of 19 from the line.  They had 32 points in the paint, 17 points off turnovers and 8 second chance points.

Valpo led by Stafford with 31, DeAveiro and Schwieger with 12 each, Williamson with 10.   We shot 44% from the field, 11 of 27 from 3, and 8-11 from the line.  We had 26 points in the paint, 22 points off turnovers and 20 second chance points.

We out-rebounded them 32 to 31.  Both teams had 14 turnovers.

In their last game against UIC, Humrichous was limited to 16 minutes scored 15 points on 6-11 from the line and 5 rebounds and 4 assists.   All 9 suited guys had at least 15 minutes of playing time... they went 25-33 from the line!  UIC was called for 23 fouls, The aces had only 10.

It's Beach Party day at the ARC.  Three fans will go home with $300 Southwest Airlines Gift Cards.  I don't know HOW they will be "won"...but you will have to be present to accept them.

We got this.    to quote a great caption.
Title: Re: Game #23, MVC #12, Evansville in the ARC 3pm Saturday - Bring it
Post by: valpopal on February 02, 2024, 09:46:44 AM
Evansville:  72
Valparaiso:  71
Title: Re: Game #23, MVC #12, Evansville in the ARC 3pm Saturday - Bring it
Post by: usc4valpo on February 02, 2024, 11:01:36 AM
Valpo 75
EVille 71
Title: Re: Game #23, MVC #12, Evansville in the ARC 3pm Saturday - Bring it
Post by: tiny707 on February 02, 2024, 11:48:01 AM
Valpo 78
Evansville 73

Palm gets more playing time.
Title: Re: Game #23, MVC #12, Evansville in the ARC 3pm Saturday - Bring it
Post by: covufan on February 02, 2024, 12:38:21 PM
(https://media3.giphy.com/media/kGbmJpduNvhJZUyfvg/giphy.gif)

Valpo 77
E'Ville 70

And we outrebound them again


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Title: Re: Game #23, MVC #12, Evansville in the ARC 3pm Saturday - Bring it
Post by: vu84v2 on February 02, 2024, 01:20:18 PM
On a day when, amazingly, there are four games in which both teams are ranked in the AP Top 10 - Valpo will win 78-68
Title: Re: Game #23, MVC #12, Evansville in the ARC 3pm Saturday - Bring it
Post by: valpotx on February 02, 2024, 03:33:37 PM
Valpo 71
Eville 64
Title: Re: Game #23, MVC #12, Evansville in the ARC 3pm Saturday - Bring it
Post by: historyman on February 02, 2024, 03:49:38 PM
Valpo         69
Evansville  67


I believe that Valpo wins by getting just enough from Stafford, DeAveiro & Schweiger and enough bad play from Evansville to pull out a win.
Title: Re: Game #23, MVC #12, Evansville in the ARC 3pm Saturday - Bring it
Post by: AB on February 02, 2024, 10:07:00 PM
Valpo 82 Aces 68
Title: Re: Game #23, MVC #12, Evansville in the ARC 3pm Saturday - Bring it
Post by: justducky on February 03, 2024, 11:47:01 AM
Awfully quiet on a game day with a chance for a win!  :snore: I'm hoping we are wide awake and celebrating by 5:30 CST. If it takes a couple OTs I'm good with that also.
Title: Re: Game #23, MVC #12, Evansville in the ARC 3pm Saturday - Bring it
Post by: VUSWIM08-12 on February 03, 2024, 02:54:12 PM
Gotta win this home game ! Stafford lit them up last time so if they try to contain him hopefully others step up , would like to see 4-5+ in double figures !!
Title: Re: Game #23, MVC #12, Evansville in the ARC 3pm Saturday - Bring it
Post by: truth219 on February 03, 2024, 03:17:29 PM
Cooper is starting off hot from 3. Off topic but I prefer our head coach in a suit...the sweatsuit just looks to casual.


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Title: Re: Game #23, MVC #12, Evansville in the ARC 3pm Saturday - Bring it
Post by: NotBryceDrew on February 03, 2024, 03:20:45 PM
Student section looks good, best all season so far
Title: Re: Game #23, MVC #12, Evansville in the ARC 3pm Saturday - Bring it
Post by: tjjvalpo on February 03, 2024, 03:40:23 PM
Wow! After making our first 4 shots, we have gone 6 of 26 since. It amazing that we only down 3.
Title: Re: Game #23, MVC #12, Evansville in the ARC 3pm Saturday - Bring it
Post by: vu72 on February 03, 2024, 03:48:32 PM
Ok first half. If we can get our shooters going we should have a chance and yes, the student section looks better than in years!
Title: Re: Game #23, MVC #12, Evansville in the ARC 3pm Saturday - Bring it
Post by: vu84v2 on February 03, 2024, 03:50:37 PM
Up 2 at the half, get the job finished!
Title: Re: Game #23, MVC #12, Evansville in the ARC 3pm Saturday - Bring it
Post by: covufan on February 03, 2024, 04:00:54 PM
First five minutes of second half we need to play physically, especially on the boards and in the paint. Take it to Toumi.


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Title: Re: Game #23, MVC #12, Evansville in the ARC 3pm Saturday - Bring it
Post by: mj on February 03, 2024, 05:07:44 PM
Brutal
Title: Re: Game #23, MVC #12, Evansville in the ARC 3pm Saturday - Bring it
Post by: AB on February 03, 2024, 06:03:32 PM
Two bad teams, neither capable of pulling away.  Good to see the students turn out. Free throw shooting discrepancy. So much for my 4-3 prediction. Could end up 0-7. Might have to have a new post. Will we win any more games this year?
Title: Re: Game #23, MVC #12, Evansville in the ARC 3pm Saturday - Bring it
Post by: justducky on February 03, 2024, 06:11:53 PM
Good defense by both teams and we only turned the ball over 7 times. Down the stretch they had several more experienced upperclassmen playing and that might have been the difference. We certainly didn't get many good looks at the basket.
Title: Re: Game #23, MVC #12, Evansville in the ARC 3pm Saturday - Bring it
Post by: usc4valpo on February 03, 2024, 06:12:56 PM
I believe Powell will get this program in the right direction. They really need better talent and experience.
Title: Re: Game #23, MVC #12, Evansville in the ARC 3pm Saturday - Bring it
Post by: justducky on February 03, 2024, 07:34:27 PM
Good win for the Trees. How many point underdogs should we be on Wed?
Quote from: usc4valpo on February 03, 2024, 06:12:56 PMI believe Powell will get this program in the right direction.

He already has. I am excited to watch a team with 6 wins.

Nice game from Edwards but 3 of our 4 freshmen were outmatched. Ragland made sure that Stafford didn't beat them by allowing Schweiger a little (not a lot but a little) breathing space. Good game by Cooper but not quite enough.
Title: Re: Game #23, MVC #12, Evansville in the ARC 3pm Saturday - Bring it
Post by: valpo64 on February 03, 2024, 07:44:20 PM
Evansville started 5 seniors(3 of which were 5th year).  A veteran lineup like that, with experience and the age factor, just killed us inside as they had their way with our guys in the paint.  At this point we just are not experienced enough or strong enough.  I just can't figure out our shooting woes...terrible.  And then there is our interior defense.  Our biggest guy, Cooper, only had 2 rebounds until very late in the game when he finally got his 3rd.  I thought we could have and should have won this game....very disappointing.
Title: Re: Game #23, MVC #12, Evansville in the ARC 3pm Saturday - Bring it
Post by: justducky on February 03, 2024, 08:29:40 PM
Quote from: valpo64 on February 03, 2024, 07:44:20 PMAt this point we just are not experienced enough or strong enough.  I just can't figure out our shooting woes...terrible.  And then there is our interior defense.

Other than Cooper our other 3 freshmen shot 2 of 11 from the field with much of it because they were well defended. Yes our small player interior defensive scheme also got frequently outmaneuvered but lets give some credit to the Aces for creating and finding some openings.
Title: Re: Game #23, MVC #12, Evansville in the ARC 3pm Saturday - Bring it
Post by: tiny707 on February 03, 2024, 09:13:54 PM
At this point, nothing to lose against the Trees. Shake up the starting five. Put in Jahari and Jaxon or Palm and Barrett.
Title: Re: Game #23, MVC #12, Evansville in the ARC 3pm Saturday - Bring it
Post by: usc4valpo on February 03, 2024, 09:44:40 PM
Palm or Barrett should never start, period.
Title: Re: Game #23, MVC #12, Evansville in the ARC 3pm Saturday - Bring it
Post by: JD24 on February 04, 2024, 12:14:14 AM
Lots of enthusiasm from the coach but 3 FTs at a home game? That's embarrassing. Complete lack of aggression.

Title: Re: Game #23, MVC #12, Evansville in the ARC 3pm Saturday - Bring it
Post by: valpopal on February 04, 2024, 11:08:07 AM
Quote from: JD24 on February 04, 2024, 12:14:14 AM
Lots of enthusiasm from the coach but 3 FTs at a home game? That's embarrassing. Complete lack of aggression.
After the last game, I wrote about "the weakness of our softer inside game, as we've seen in the past two games, losing on rebounds 96-66 and points in the paint 74-38!" Again against Evansville Valpo lost in rebounding (36-29) and points in the paint (30-24) as well as at free throw attempts (15-3). These are all indicators of aggression and toughness inside or, in this case, a lack of it.

I like Coach Powell, but the last thing I expected from one of his teams was softness in the paint. Part of it lies in the fact that Sepp and Schwieger are freshmen and need time to build strength, but doesn't explain Palm. The three combined for only 5 rebounds in 50 minutes of play. For the third time in four games Sepp had 0 points, and I believe his only shot was blocked. However, I am assuming when the Rev repeatedly declares, as he did in the postgame conference, he'll be bringing in transfer dudes to complement the freshmen next year, he means tough bigs.
Title: Re: Game #23, MVC #12, Evansville in the ARC 3pm Saturday - Bring it
Post by: johnu1 on February 04, 2024, 02:08:05 PM
Observations from a UE grad/fan.
Great enthusiasm by student body, which makes the ARC a tough place to play. A couple of other sideline notions, but those don't matter much.

They need to replace the bleachers in that place -- now. It would improve attendance and in-game comfort for us old people who can't walk those "steps." The ARC is plenty useful as an arena if they do that, despite what I read from other fan boards. I can't speak to the facility as a whole. I don't have any need for that.

The game itself was basketball as it should be played in an era of drive-to-contact. Nothing ruins a game like 64 free throws. That didn't happen and the players on the court weren't getting into foul trouble. The best can play the game.

I won't evaluate the Valpo team/roster. There are always good players at VU. This year, maybe not enough.

Title: Re: Game #23, MVC #12, Evansville in the ARC 3pm Saturday - Bring it
Post by: JD24 on February 04, 2024, 02:38:35 PM
Quote from: valpopal on February 04, 2024, 11:08:07 AM
Quote from: JD24 on February 04, 2024, 12:14:14 AMLots of enthusiasm from the coach but 3 FTs at a home game? That's embarrassing. Complete lack of aggression.
After the last game, I wrote about "the weakness of our softer inside game, as we've seen in the past two games, losing on rebounds 96-66 and points in the paint 74-38!" Again against Evansville Valpo lost in rebounding (36-29) and points in the paint (30-24) as well as at free throw attempts (15-3). These are all indicators of aggression and toughness inside or, in this case, a lack of it. I like Coach Powell, but the last thing I expected from one of his teams was softness in the paint. Part of it lies in the fact that Sepp and Schwieger are freshmen and need time to build strength, but doesn't explain Palm. The three combined for only 5 rebounds in 50 minutes of play. For the third time in four games Sepp had 0 points, and I believe his only shot was blocked. However, I am assuming when the Rev repeatedly declares, as he did in the postgame conference, he'll be bringing in transfer dudes to complement the freshmen next year, he means tough bigs.
I liked Powell's PC yesterday as he repeatedly mentioned what he wanted corrected and at least once referenced that he'd bring people in to do so. I consistently looked at Schwieger as if to tell him that even he has to get more on board. Having said that, his game may be more of as a perimeter player. Rebounding can often be a quickness issue rather than either size or the ability to box out which is something everyone always talks about when teams don't rebound well. Those who are quick jumpers and aggressive to the ball are sometimes more valuable than bigger guys who are more flat footed and aren't sacrificing their bodies to do so. It sounded to me like there's some dissatisfaction with Edwards in this regard.

Stafford's game frustrates me from a shooting standpoint in terms of selection and making shots but I will say he rebounds well particularly for a guard and he has a lot of value in that regard.
Title: Re: Game #23, MVC #12, Evansville in the ARC 3pm Saturday - Bring it
Post by: elephtheria47 on February 04, 2024, 06:50:22 PM
By waiting so long last year, the school basically punted this season and we all gotta ride it out. Powell was put behind the 8 ball to get any real talent this year. Ive said it before, but field a somewhat competetive team and build fan/community interest this year. Anything else we can build on this year is strictly a positive.
Title: Re: Game #23, MVC #12, Evansville in the ARC 3pm Saturday - Bring it
Post by: wh on February 04, 2024, 10:33:09 PM
Quote from: valpo64 on February 03, 2024, 07:44:20 PM
Evansville started 5 seniors(3 of which were 5th year).  A veteran lineup like that, with experience and the age factor, just killed us inside as they had their way with our guys in the paint.  At this point we just are not experienced enough or strong enough.  I just can't figure out our shooting woes...terrible.  And then there is our interior defense.  Our biggest guy, Cooper, only had 2 rebounds until very late in the game when he finally got his 3rd.  I thought we could have and should have won this game....very disappointing.

Yep, their apples scored 1 more point than our oranges. That's my 1 takeaway.
Title: Re: Game #23, MVC #12, Evansville in the ARC 3pm Saturday - Bring it
Post by: VULB#62 on February 04, 2024, 10:34:55 PM
Quote from: elephtheria47 on February 04, 2024, 06:50:22 PM
By waiting so long last year, the school basically punted this season and we all gotta ride it out. Powell was put behind the 8 ball to get any real talent this year. Ive said it before, but field a somewhat competetive team and build fan/community interest this year. Anything else we can build on this year is strictly a positive.

Clicking on LIKE to your comment is not sufficient. Given the late start and the obstacles Roger confronted, this bunch of young kids he has recruited and is coaching are actually playing over their heads relative to the MVC teams they challenge every game. In today's BB world there'll never be another Fab Five unless the NIL is in the 7 figures —— and we start 3 or sometimes 4 freshmen.

I'm sure the staff already has a target list of possible upperclassmen xfers who can plug our talent holes as well as complement the talent we already have. And even if not all the holes get plugged by new players, the potential of the kids we already have might, after another off-season, be sufficient to bring the squad to .500 in the MVC in year two. 

This is not gonna be an immediate turn-around. We all knew that. Year one is just a peek into the future. Year two will give us solid perspective and set realistic expectations.
Title: Re: Game #23, MVC #12, Evansville in the ARC 3pm Saturday - Bring it
Post by: VULB#62 on February 04, 2024, 10:46:03 PM
Quote from: johnu1 on February 04, 2024, 02:08:05 PM
Observations from a UE grad/fan.
Great enthusiasm by student body, which makes the ARC a tough place to play. A couple of other sideline notions, but those don't matter much.

They need to replace the bleachers in that place -- now. It would improve attendance and in-game comfort for us old people who can't walk those "steps." The ARC is plenty useful as an arena if they do that, despite what I read from other fan boards. I can't speak to the facility as a whole. I don't have any need for that.

The game itself was basketball as it should be played in an era of drive-to-contact. Nothing ruins a game like 64 free throws. That didn't happen and the players on the court weren't getting into foul trouble. The best can play the game.

I won't evaluate the Valpo team/roster. There are always good players at VU. This year, maybe not enough.

I have always wondered why only one side had retractable chairbacks. Johnu1 has an objective, neutral and valid observation.
Title: Re: Game #23, MVC #12, Evansville in the ARC 3pm Saturday - Bring it
Post by: tiny707 on February 05, 2024, 07:29:18 AM
We bacsically have three starters next year with two starter slots to fill with Veteran transfers.
Title: Re: Game #23, MVC #12, Evansville in the ARC 3pm Saturday - Bring it
Post by: usc4valpo on February 05, 2024, 11:38:12 AM
the team currently is deprived of both inexperience and talent. IMHO Powell in his overall performance has exceeded my expectations.
Title: Re: Game #23, MVC #12, Evansville in the ARC 3pm Saturday - Bring it
Post by: AB on February 05, 2024, 12:19:10 PM
Valpo was the more talented team Saturday and their is no way they should have lost the game. As several have mentioned. Way to may lay ups easy looks in the paint. Paint defense....soft is to nice. Non existent is more accurate. Our young nucleus, figure to improve next year and likely small roster turnover. The sign is how the team plays hard to the end. Under Lottich, they waved the white flag at the end of some games, a sign they weren't as bought into the culture/locker room. For the most part Powell is doing all he can with what he has, maybe try a little more zone, mix up the defense a little more often. Although not a savior of the team, Palm should be in 15 minutes a game eating up fouls, going after rebounds. I think he presses to hard knowing he has limited minutes.