Freshmen thru the years.

RS · December 05, 2013, 05:51:30 PM

As a long time VU basketball supporter ( grad & fan ). Over the years VU has seen many freshmen come and go. Some leaving way to soon. As an avid numbers cruncher when it comes to VU stats and with the excitement that this years freshmen class has generated I have dug up some numbers from the past 30 years comparing class years and individual players influence after their first 10 games ( roughly 1/3 of a season ).

TOP CLASSES AS PERCENTAGE OF TEAM SCORING AFTER 10 GAMES: ( major contributers listed )

1984-85 67% Dougherty, Rios, Bell, Battle, Rekeweg ( 4 - 6 )
1985-86 44% Anselm, Ford, McSwine, Smith ( 4 - 6 )
2013-14 43% Peters, L.Williams, Yeo, Adekoya ( 6 - 4 )
1998-99 40% Barton, Stovall, Tonagel ( 8 - 2 )
2008-09 33% Buggs, Haskins ( 3 - 7 )
1990-91 22% Cavanaugh, Beesley, Markworth ( 2 - 8 )
2003-04 22% Harris, Miles, Sylla, Mbaye ( 4 - 6 )
1994-95 19% Drew, B&B Jenkins ( 5 - 5 )

INDIVIDUAL SCORING AFTER 10 GAMES

BARTON 156 98-99
PETERS 145 13-14
DREW 123 94-95
ANSELM 108 85-86
DOUGHERTY 104 84-85
RIOS 104 84-85
PICKREN 101 83-84
HAANPAA 97 06-07
BARKER 93 91-92
BOUCHIE 91 07-08
REKEWEG 90 84-85
L. WILLIAMS 86 13-14
STOVALL 85 98-99

The 84-85 team was more or less forced into battle. 6 of the 9 players were freshmen with only Bell and Battle finishing out their careers at VU.

Dougherty, Rios, Pickren, Bouchie, and Rekeweg left after 1 year. Haanpaa after 2 years.

vu72 · December 05, 2013, 06:38:14 PM

What about Jarred Nuness and the red head, freshman Bryce's senior year.

RS · December 05, 2013, 07:19:22 PM

The freshmen accounted for 13% of the scoring that year. Nuness scored 187 pts for a 5.8 average. Jason Jenkins scored 76 pts that year. Marco Punda had 35 points.

sliman · December 05, 2013, 09:00:04 PM

Quote from: RS on December 05, 2013, 07:19:22 PM
The freshmen accounted for 13% of the scoring that year. Nuness scored 187 pts for a 5.8 average. Jason Jenkins scored 76 pts that year. Marco Punda had 35 points.

Since you seem to have the data at your finger tips, what did Raitis have in his first 10 games. I seem to remember him having a good tournament at Thanksgiving time in St. Charles, Mo.

LaPorteAveApostle · December 05, 2013, 09:24:20 PM

Thank you for this. This is super awesome stuff.

covufan · December 05, 2013, 09:51:19 PM

Thanks. I thought Pickren was there two seasons. Lubos really lit up the scoring at the Hoosier Dome his freshman year.

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wh · December 06, 2013, 03:36:26 AM

Speaking of the freshmen, we have 4 of the top 10 freshmen scorers in the HL to date:

14.5 Peters Valpo
9.2 Keene YSU
9.2 Grant Det
8.6 Williams Valpo
8.3 Williams Det
7.5 Felder Oakland
6.2 Yeo Valpo
5.8 Adekoya Valpo
5.3 Birt UIC
4.9 McGuire UIC

No. of players by team:

4 Valpo
2 Detroit
2 UIC
1 YSU
1 Oakland
0 WSU, GB, CSU, Milw

valpopal · December 06, 2013, 10:22:46 AM

A brief interview with four of this year's freshmen (wish Nick was included as well). This is a special incoming class, and I look forward to the group of them developing and maturing over the next four years.

Valpo All-Access: Men's Basketball 12|06|13

LaPorteAveApostle · December 06, 2013, 10:59:22 AM

Quote from: valpopal on December 06, 2013, 10:22:46 AM(wish Nick was included as well)

yeah, double on that--simply for propriety's sake, at least! Even if there wasn't that awesome move at the end of the BSU game.

Grew a mustache and a mullet
Got a job at Chick-Fil-A
Citing "artistic differences"
the band broke up in May
and in June, reformed without me...
--Ben Folds Five, "Army" (The Unauthorized Biography of Reinhold Messner)

bbtds · December 06, 2013, 11:05:35 AM

I got the feeling that Clay should take those guys cow-tipping or something and see if any of them back away from the cow before it's starts falling.

A real true test of a man!!!!

LaPorteAveApostle · December 06, 2013, 11:39:20 AM

umm....i don't think that's cow tipping. look at it again.

bbtds · December 06, 2013, 11:43:07 AM

Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on December 06, 2013, 11:39:20 AM
umm....i don't think that's cow tipping. look at it again.

Cow tipping for birth or cow tipping for amusement it is still cow tipping and is never as easy as it looks the first time but like many things once you get accustomed to it, it's not nearly as tough as it used to look.

FWalum · December 06, 2013, 12:33:56 PM

What is this stuff doing on a basketball forum

Uh.... admins do we have to be subjected to these painful scenes of animal cruelty!

StlVUFan · December 06, 2013, 05:56:47 PM

Quote from: valpopal on December 06, 2013, 10:22:46 AM
A brief interview with four of this year's freshmen (wish Nick was included as well). This is a special incoming class, and I look forward to the group of them developing and maturing over the next four years.

Valpo All-Access: Men's Basketball 12|06|13

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valpopal · December 06, 2013, 08:06:39 PM

The URL has been changed for some reason. Here it is:

Valpo All-Access: Men's Basketball 12|06|13

StlVUFan · December 06, 2013, 08:11:59 PM

Thanks!

historyman · December 07, 2013, 12:00:04 AM

Quote from: FWalum on December 06, 2013, 12:33:56 PMWhat is this stuff doing on a basketball forum Uh.... admins do we have to be subjected to these painful scenes of animal cruelty!

GEEEZ!

Don't have a cow!

vu84v2 · December 07, 2013, 08:40:54 AM

I would be interested to see if people have other ideas, but the best two Freshmen performances that I have ever seen at Valpo were:

1. Barton in 1998 in the Hoosier Dome against South Carolina. Part of it was the sheer surprise (it was generally pre-internet and most of us knew nothing about Barton and the rest of that class). He throws in 29 against a #25 team. Great stuff!
2. Drew in the Mid-con final against Western Illinois. I think this game went three overtimes and remember Homer pulling Bryce during the first or second overtime to rest (when have you ever seen that done with a star player in overtime in a key game?). I don't remember Bryce's stats, but I think they were pretty good and he hit some big shots.

LaPorteAveApostle · December 07, 2013, 09:18:18 AM

Quote from: vu84v2 on December 07, 2013, 08:40:54 AM2. Drew in the Mid-con final against Western Illinois. I think this game went three overtimes and remember Homer pulling Bryce during the first or second overtime to rest (when have you ever seen that done with a star player in overtime in a key game?). I don't remember Bryce's stats, but I think they were pretty good and he hit some big shots.

i have that game on vhs tape. or rather, my parents' house does.

thanks, sportschannel.

talksalot · December 07, 2013, 10:01:44 AM

88-85 in Triple OT is right. Other than the noise level that night, the thing that sticks in my memory is the 4th official. For the tournaments, they always assign a 4th official who sits at the scorers table tracking time-outs and possession arrow (and just being available if one of the officials gets hurt). Anyway, this guy spent the game drinking water... lots of water. And after the start of the second half, he could not leave the table. As the last few seconds ticked off the clock, he was running as fast as I have ever seen an official run!

vu72 · December 07, 2013, 10:24:43 AM

Quote from: talksalot on December 07, 2013, 10:01:44 AM
88-85 in Triple OT is right. Other than the noise level that night, the thing that sticks in my memory is the 4th official. For the tournaments, they always assign a 4th official who sits at the scorers table tracking time-outs and possession arrow (and just being available if one of the officials gets hurt). Anyway, this guy spent the game drinking water... lots of water. And after the start of the second half, he could not leave the table. As the last few seconds ticked off the clock, he was running as fast as I have ever seen an official run!

LOL!

I remember watching it somewhere. David Redmon was the star and had shots to win late in the periods and missed. After winning, because the Mid-Con didn't have an auto bid, Homer flew the NYC to lobby the NIT for a spot, to no avail.

chef · December 14, 2013, 11:23:08 PM

A lot of great memories. On pure performance, Bryce's game at Hinkle in his second career game was most amazing. They were all over him late in the game, running 2 and 3 players at him and he kept making shots finishing with 29. Alec's performance today (LMU) was really special because he scored in many different ways. He's incredibly difficult to guard because a small player can't stop him in the post and a big player has trouble running off all those screens.

LaPorteAveApostle · January 24, 2014, 08:55:02 PM

Was wanting to send a bat-signal for RS to update this thread, now that we're TWO thirds through (as of tomorrow).

Right now:
Peters 258 pts
Williams 162 pts
Adekoya 127 pts
Yeo 76 pts
Davidson 18 pts

Total: 641 pts / 1630 team pts, or 39.3% so far.

Are they producing though?
Right now:
Peters 601 minutes
Williams 508
Adekoya 390
Yeo 250
Davidson 57

Total: 1806 min / 4274 team min, or 42.3% so far.

Hm...so not pulling their weight (93.4% of it, though); then again, they are freshpersons.

Kyle321n · January 24, 2014, 10:51:52 PM

Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on January 24, 2014, 08:55:02 PMHm...so not pulling their weight (93.4% of it, though); then again, they are freshpersons.

That and Dority is producing better than earlier and Carter is playing so they don't need to produce as much as they were earlier.

RS · February 03, 2014, 10:26:28 AM

Freshmen Thru the Years Updated after 20 games:

TOP CLASSES AS PERCENTAGE OF TEAM SCORING AFTER 20 GAMES: (major contributors listed)

1984-85 64% Dougherty,Rios,Bell,Battle,Rekeweg (7-13) down3%
1985-86 44% Anselm,Ford,McSwine,Smith (7-13) same
1998-99 43% Barton,Stovall,Tonagel (15-5) up3%
2013-14 40% Peters,Williams,Adekoya,Yeo (11-9) down3%
2008-09 30% Buggs,Haskins (6-14) down3%
1990-91 26% Cavanaugh,Beesley,Markworth (5-15) up4%
1989-90 22% Gipson,Flavin (3-17) up5%
1991-92 22% Barker (5-15) up5%
2003-04 22% Harris,Miles,Sylla,Mbaye (10-10) same
1994-95 20% Drew,B&B Jenkins (14-6) up1%
2006-07 20% Haanpaa,Skoglund (10-10) up3%

INDIVIDUAL SCORING AFTER 20 GAMES:

BARTON 290 98-99
DREW 262 94-95
DOUGHERTY 256 84-85
BARKER 253 91-92
PETERS 249 13-14
ANSELM 216 85-86
HAANPAA 210 06-07
STOVALL 196 98-99
GIPSON 179 89-90
MILES 178 03-04
BOUCHIE 170 07-08
PICKREN 170 83-84
GRAFS 161 99-00
WILLIAMS 160 13-14

STOVALL, GIPSON, MILES, GRAFS, WILLIAMS NEW TO LIST. BARKER MOVED UP 5 SPOTS. RIOS AND REKEWEG FELL OFF THE LIST