OK... last night is over. One a time. Green Bay, Saturday night on "90's throw back" night... rather disconcerting since all I have to do is look in my closet and I'm all set. First 1,000 fans get a 90's t-shirt.
Interesting post-game with Luke Gore last night discussing the speed of GB with their average offensive possession being something like 13 seconds? So... why did they only beat UIC by 2?
I'm excited for this one. I'm bringing my middle school basketball team from Lake Ridge to see this one, stop by and say hi. We should be easy to spot. Green Bay has some size and some athletes and outside of Oakland, I think will be our top contender.
I will go with a 77-64 Valpo Vicotry.
If we continue playing great defense and hitting the boards, we should be AOK. Now, those FTs...
Valpo 82
UWGB 64
Of course, most of the Phoenix phaithful recognize that we're having a good year with a good team, but this one from the Green Bay board made me chuckle:
Quote from: @uscg2012Valpo beat a bad Oregon state team and everyone wants to crown them as the next game thing. Don't believe it
so here's the Green Bay side of the story on last night's UIC game...
http://www.greenbayphoenix.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=22500&ATCLID=210636344 (http://www.greenbayphoenix.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=22500&ATCLID=210636344)
and their overall season stat sheet
https://admin.xosn.com/pdf9/4106508.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=22500&DB_OEM_ID=22500 (https://admin.xosn.com/pdf9/4106508.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=22500&DB_OEM_ID=22500)
and their HL-Only stat sheet
https://admin.xosn.com/pdf9/4313511.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=22500&DB_OEM_ID=22500 (https://admin.xosn.com/pdf9/4313511.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=22500&DB_OEM_ID=22500)
and here's the box score from the UIC game
http://www.greenbayphoenix.com//pdf9/4360813.pdf?SPSID=110001&SPID=13663&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=22500 (http://www.greenbayphoenix.com//pdf9/4360813.pdf?SPSID=110001&SPID=13663&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=22500)
Quote from: talksalot on January 15, 2016, 01:27:43 PM
so here's the Green Bay side of the story on last night's UIC game...
http://www.greenbayphoenix.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=22500&ATCLID=210636344 (http://www.greenbayphoenix.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=22500&ATCLID=210636344)
I fixed it for them:
Senior Jordan Fouse made a
valiant effort towards a quadruple-double, finishing with 10 points, seven rebounds, six assists and a noticeable five blocks. But didn't come close.
The spread: Valpo -12.5
Quote from: valpospartan on January 15, 2016, 04:17:07 PM
Quote from: talksalot on January 15, 2016, 01:27:43 PM
so here's the Green Bay side of the story on last night's UIC game...
http://www.greenbayphoenix.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=22500&ATCLID=210636344 (http://www.greenbayphoenix.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=22500&ATCLID=210636344)
I fixed it for them:
Senior Jordan Fouse made a valiant effort towards a quadruple-double, finishing with 10 points, seven rebounds, six assists and a noticeable five blocks. But didn't come close.
He didn't even have a double-double! I could see making note if he had at least 10 in three of the categories, but really?
Green Bay is Game #18 on the season....
We are 16-13 in the past 29 years in this game #
2014-15 - Valpo 85 UIC 56 - Home
2013-14 - Wright State 62 Valpo 45 - Home
2012-13 - Valpo 76 Milwaukee 52 - Home
2011-12 - Valpo 76 Youngstown State 62 - Home
2010-11 - Valpo 71 Wright State 60 - Away
2009-10 - Valpo 70 Youngstown State 66 - Home
2008-09 - UIC 77 Valpo 52 - Away
2007-08 - Valpo 67 Youngstown State 61 - Away
May be getting a little cocky but I see us taking this one by 20+. I just see GB as a slightly worse version of Detroit. I know it's bold, but still...
Valpo 86
GB 63
Quote from: valpo4life on January 15, 2016, 11:14:57 PM
May be getting a little cocky but I see us taking this one by 20+. I just see GB as a slightly worse version of Detroit. I know it's bold, but still...
Valpo 86
GB 63
I think of it as Green Bay playing defense (well, at least StL calls it that) Phoenix style. Running up and down the court pressing and fast breaking. If you can break the press and get lay ups you have solved GB's defense. I think a 20+ point win is entirely possible. I certainly would like to hear from everyone whether they thought what Green Bay plays tonight should be called defense.
We looked... not -all- that confident when Milwaukee pressed. Sometimes slow to advance the ball, sometimes apparently passing into traps, etc. not a lot of turnovers, but it didn't look very comfortable.
I'll be curious to see if we can settle down against the Phoenix.
More bench minutes, if it's high octane? Max Joseph?
Valpo was up comfortably and not really looking to score when Milwaukee was pressing. I wouldn't look too much into VU's success or lack there of against their press.
I'm looking forward to a tight first half and then Valpo pulling away in the second half for a win in the fifteen point range. Green Bay will be kept under 65.
I also plan to watch the Packers recorded on my dvr when I get home. Talksalot, no spoilers, please.
Quote from: humbleopinion on January 16, 2016, 12:41:52 PMTalksalot, no spoilers, please
You are the second one to request that....it's almost like others in the area actually care!??!?
Perhaps just the score... like 17-14... without saying who's winning? or a Partial score... "Packers 7"
How about "Welcome Lake Ridge New Tech Middle School 8th Grade basketball team."
Are you guys playing at halftime?
I'll predict that a team with Green Bay in it's name will lose tonight.
In a year where nobody in northwest Indiana has noticed that we have a pretty fair Div 1 basketball team a few tickets for tonights game appear to have been sold. Maybe we can exceed our opening night IPFW ticket sales which were about 4150? It is a shame that our top conference competition ( Detroit, UWM, Oakland. Wright St, and Green Bay) are all packed together in the RPI 150-175 range. It is hard to attract fans to good but not great competition.
No we aren't playing. I'm treating them to the game to celebrate their success in class and on the court this season.
Quote from: bbtds on January 16, 2016, 02:04:36 PM
I'll predict that a team with Green Bay in it's name will lose tonight.
Hopefully just one [emoji16]
Quote from: justducky on January 16, 2016, 02:11:43 PM
In a year where nobody in northwest Indiana has noticed that we have a pretty fair Div 1 basketball team a few tickets for tonights game appear to have been sold. Maybe we can exceed our opening night IPFW ticket sales which were about 4150? It is a shame that our top conference competition ( Detroit, UWM, Oakland. Wright St, and Green Bay) are all packed together in the RPI 150-175 range. It is hard to attract fans to good but not great competition.
To save everyone the trouble, I have prepared an advance list of excuses, just in case tonight's attendance is underwhelming (which of course it will be):
*The temperature, while not bad right now, is supposed to fall to -2 sometime on Sunday.
*It's Saturday night, so the students are studying.
*There are competing student events and meetings elsewhere on campus. Where and what are they? No one knows.
*It's too far for the students to walk in the cold on Valpo's "walking campus."
*While 99% of NWI residents are Bears fans, they hate the Packers so much that they want to stay home and watch them lose.
*There are competing high school games tonight. Where and how many fans are affected? No one knows.
*ARC seating is too close to the action and concessions too inexpensive.
*The free parking isn't as close as it used to be.
*Indiana just isn't a basketball state.
Yes. Please no Packers spoilers. Pretty please.
Student section completely packed 30 min before tipoff.
Quote from: wh on January 16, 2016, 04:29:12 PM
Quote from: justducky on January 16, 2016, 02:11:43 PM
In a year where nobody in northwest Indiana has noticed that we have a pretty fair Div 1 basketball team a few tickets for tonights game appear to have been sold. Maybe we can exceed our opening night IPFW ticket sales which were about 4150? It is a shame that our top conference competition ( Detroit, UWM, Oakland. Wright St, and Green Bay) are all packed together in the RPI 150-175 range. It is hard to attract fans to good but not great competition.
To save everyone the trouble, I have prepared an advance list of excuses, just in case tonight's attendance is underwhelming (which of course it will be):
*The temperature, while not bad right now, is supposed to fall to -2 sometime on Sunday.
*It's Saturday night, so the students are studying.
*There are competing student events and meetings elsewhere on campus. Where and what are they? No one knows.
*It's too far for the students to walk in the cold on Valpo's "walking campus."
*While 99% of NWI residents are Bears fans, they hate the Packers so much that they want to stay home and watch them lose.
*There are competing high school games tonight. Where and how many fans are affected? No one knows.
*ARC seating is too close to the action and concessions too inexpensive.
*The free parking isn't as close as it used to be.
*Indiana just isn't a basketball state.
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Don't blame the students.
Our free throw shooting looks like that of a bunch of high schoolers. Against the power conference tourney teams, we won't have the luxury of slow starts and poor free throw shooting.
Great crowd, I'd estimate 4500, watching from home. Sloppy game yet won by 15. We aren't going to be perfect every game!
Cold FT start but 72% by game end. Alec and Vashil with double doubles.
Quote from: vu72 on January 16, 2016, 09:07:24 PM
Great crowd, I'd estimate 4500, watching from home. Sloppy game yet won by 15. We aren't going to be perfect every game!
Love how bad, sloppy games are 10+ game victories. Wonder what the Horizon League record is for consecutive 10+ game victories
Gosh, what a pesky GB team. Seemed like they scored 5 points in 5 seconds three separate times (maybe). Hard to argue with a 15 pt victory over the 2nd place team...I guess I'm glad there's room for improvement and hope springs eternal for what this team can do when they hit on all cylinders! Valpo Victory! Watch out for the YSU Giant Killers on Monday ;)
Quote from: atkins on January 16, 2016, 08:03:52 PMOur free throw shooting looks like that of a bunch of high schoolers. Against the power conference tourney teams, we won't have the luxury of slow starts and poor free throw shooting.
Agree, free throws are always problematic for us. We made 26 of 36 free throws for 72%. This isn't horrible, but in close games, those extra points will be needed. Otherwise, great win tonight--just have to keep winning one at a time.
52-35 rebound advantage is not too shabby. FG% advantage was 48% to 32%.
Quote from: VULB#62 on January 16, 2016, 09:08:38 PM
Alec and Vashil with double doubles.
Anyone have an idea the last time we had two in a game?
Quote from: vu72 on January 16, 2016, 09:07:24 PM
Great crowd, I'd estimate 4500, watching from home.
I was guessing they'd list it at 4800 - upper deck nicely full, but not jam packed. Fuller than the HL Championship last year.
Listed at 4939. Listening to conversations in the bleachers, seemed like some bandwagon fans were coming on board. Or, at least, people from around town non-VU, who maybe used to come to games a few seasons ago, were back for the first time this season, that sort of thing. About time!
Quote from: agibson on January 16, 2016, 09:48:00 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on January 16, 2016, 09:08:38 PM
Alec and Vashil with double doubles.
Anyone have an idea the last time we had two in a game?
That's a double double double :o
Great time tonight! My team had fun and asked some great questions about college. First time almost any of them had been on a college campus.
Gym was pretty packed. Fun atmosphere, and who doesn't love all the dunks?!
Good win, look out for Youngstown State we have a history of slow starts there. Play hard from the start. 5-0 is nice but there 13 more games to play. I think we will have play them all. keep working!!!!!!!! ;D
Darien outplayed Tevonn for the first time in a while. Good thing I guess?
Quote from: a3uge on January 16, 2016, 09:09:41 PMWonder what the Horizon League record is for consecutive 10+ game victories
Butler had five in a row in their undefeated 2009-10 league run, and then another double-digit win in the Bracketbuster.
I'm reminded that season included a 48-47 Butler win at RPI 200+ Loyola. Maybe a good reminder of how hard it is (now that RPI Forecast is going to put our percent chance of going undefeated at.. 23%?).
Butler had four losses non-conference (admittedly, none of them as bad as Ball State... or even Belmont)... until the NCAA final.
Thinking of the low-scoring Butler one-point win over Loyola.
I do wonder if it would be good to play a couple of games that go down to the wire. I won't enjoy this, and I hope it's because some other team is playing out of their mind. But, it'd probably be good to win a couple of close ones.
I probably felt more nervous, for longer, in tonight's game than any this season. The missed Peters FT to start didn't help, nor the home run ball that they read the whole way and stole. Something about the pace, and the completely different VU offensive game, and the sloppy ball handling, just never let me get comfortable until... maybe that 16-5 run from about 10 minutes left until 5 minutes left. Then it felt pretty safe, if ugly.
I never thought we were going to lose exactly. Just never any kind of comfortable until late in the game.
Fun to see us getting to the rack, and it was the pace of game that seemed likely against Green Bay. But, did we let them dictate the style and tempo too much? We won, by 15, and I guess the defense was pretty good. Certainly the rebounding was. Just never felt like a VU offensive groove. Unless our groove is "whatever works"?
Quote from: HC on January 15, 2016, 11:55:37 AMI'm bringing my middle school basketball team from Lake Ridge to see this one
I wasn't familiar with the school. Gary? Cool! How'd you get the gig?
Quote from: agibson on January 16, 2016, 10:09:34 PMWe won, by 15, and I guess the defense was pretty good. Certainly the rebounding was. Just never felt like a VU offensive groove. Unless our groove is "whatever works"?
Once again there was little or no zone played and yes the defense was very good! Our early shooting and offensive execution left much to be desired. In the first half saw several instances of point guard play which looked to specifically open one individual and by that focus missed someone else who was briefly wide open near the bucket. That falls under the category of not being able to see the trees because of the forest.
This year Valpo is doing what in past years has been done to them so often by higher ranked schools. That is to say in the past they could hang with those teams sometimes even into the second half but those teams would pull away to win comfortably at the end. Now Valpo is doing that to other teams. Seems to me like a nice step up for the program.
Quote from: VULB#62 on January 16, 2016, 09:54:04 PM
Quote from: agibson on January 16, 2016, 09:48:00 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on January 16, 2016, 09:08:38 PM
Alec and Vashil with double doubles.
Anyone have an idea the last time we had two in a game?
That's a double double double :o
Actually Darien was one RB away from a double double too (10 pts, 9 RBs).
That would have been a triple double double!
With Valpo winning and the Packers losing, this die hard Crusader/Bears fan will sleep very comfortably tonight. ;)
Quote from: bbtds on January 16, 2016, 02:04:36 PMI'll predict that a team with Green Bay in it's name will lose tonight
Let's see... Final in Womens College basketball...
Green Bay 64 UIC 22
So... it wasn't a complete waste of time being a Green Bay fan!
Consecutive double-digit wins...
2005-06
89 74 Centenary - T 6-4
95 64 Oakland - H 7-4 - Non Conference
105 73 Longwood - H 8-4 - Non Conference
80 60 Oral Roberts - H 9-4
88 72 IPFW - H 10-4
82 68 Western Illinois - T 11-4
so we did have 4 consecutive conference wins by more than 10....
someone can have fun finding the last time we did 5 in a row...
This pesky Green Bay team reminded me of some of the CSU teams of the past. The constant press, hand checking and fouling.
We were never in the same league as IPFW, only IUPUI.
D Walker seems to be finding his game. Skara can be bad and good in the same game. Needs to cut down the turnovers and find his 3 point shot to take the next step. Nice to see that the bench can step up when some of the starters struggle. Gives us tremendous flexibility. Have to keep it up each game. No let downs.
Before the Oakland game, I had made a comment to a fellow recent alum about this stretch of four games (OU, UDM, UWM, and UWGB). Given how the team has performed over the past season and a half, I felt that 3-1 over this stretch would be acceptable and still would give us prime positioning for the HL season moving forward, but it would show that it is all about the HL tourney at the Joe. Then, I said that a 4-0 start would just be awesome. It would put us ahead of the rest of the HL, give us momentum going forward, and validate many special feelings that I have for this season.
But, holy cow. Not only did they exceed my expectations in this stretch, but they went 4-0 with all four games being won by double digits. Just impressive to watch this team and how well they do, even when a player or two has an "off" night.
Going forward, I still think that we need to take the one game at a time approach, especially these upcoming road games against Youngstown State and Wright State... and in doing so good things will come our way! But in the back of my head, I will wonder what this four game stretch will look like again when the Michigan schools come to the ARC in late February... GO VALPO! :)
Quote from: wh on January 16, 2016, 11:00:04 PM
With Valpo winning and the Packers losing, this die hard Crusader/Bears fan will sleep very comfortably tonight. ;)
Yeah, the Bears played great.
Skara fell a couple of times and after the last fall changed his shoes
From the Game Notes for the GB game...
- Last season saw Valpo win six consecutive games by double figures in the non-league portion of the season.
91 55 IU South Bend – H
59 46 Arkansas – Pine Bluff @ Central Michigan – N
93 70 Maine @Central Michigan – N
66 46 Drake @ Nashville – N
93 58 Murray State @ Nashville – N
70 55 Portland @ Nashville – N
- It's been over a decade since the Crusaders won four straight conference contests by double figures, as you have to go back to wins over Centenary, Oakland, Oral Roberts and Western Illinois Dec. 2005-Jan. 2006.
Thanks Chef... I missed the "Gents" game when I copied it ...
89 74 Centenary - T
95 64 Oakland - H - Non Conf
105 73 Longwood - H - Non Conf
80 60 Oral Roberts - H
88 72 IPFW - H - Non Conf
82 68 Western Illinois - T
76 90 Chicago State - T LOSS
I am very impressed with Green Bay's new coach. This should have been a complete rebuilding year for them. If this guy can prove to be a good recruiter, GB will be a force in 2-3 years.
Quote from: humbleopinion on January 16, 2016, 12:41:52 PMI'm looking forward to a tight first half and then Valpo pulling away in the second half for a win in the fifteen point range.
Basically a perfect prediction by humbleopinion! :thumbsup:
Quote from: a3uge on January 17, 2016, 06:11:31 AM
Quote from: wh on January 16, 2016, 11:00:04 PM
With Valpo winning and the Packers losing, this die hard Crusader/Bears fan will sleep very comfortably tonight. ;)
Yeah, the Bears played great.
Touché! lol
Quote from: VULB#62 on January 16, 2016, 10:49:52 PM
Actually Darien was one RB away from a double double too (10 pts, 9 RBs).
That would have been a triple double double!
It wouldn't have happened if Carrington Love hadn't fouled Darien with less than 10 seconds left and GB down by 13 which seemed like a rather silly play on the Phoenix part.
Quote from: SanityLost17 on January 17, 2016, 09:00:49 AM
I am very impressed with Green Bay's new coach. This should have been a complete rebuilding year for them. If this guy can prove to be a good recruiter, GB will be a force in 2-3 years.
Darner's last team won the Div.II national championship for 2014-15, Florida Southern over Indiana (Pennsylvania). Darner was a Purdue point guard for Gene Keady from 1990 to 1994.
http://www.hammerandrails.com/2015/3/28/8306677/linc-darner-wins-division-ii-national-championship-with-florida (http://www.hammerandrails.com/2015/3/28/8306677/linc-darner-wins-division-ii-national-championship-with-florida)
Quote from: bbtds on January 17, 2016, 02:51:44 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on January 16, 2016, 10:49:52 PM
Actually Darien was one RB away from a double double too (10 pts, 9 RBs).
That would have been a triple double double!
It wouldn't have happened if Carrington Love hadn't fouled Darien with less than 10 seconds left and GB down by 13 which seemed like a rather silly play on the Phoenix part.
The spread was 14. Maybe one of the players had money on the game.
Quote from: chef on January 17, 2016, 12:36:17 AM
We were never in the same league as IPFW, only IUPUI.
Quote from: talksalot on January 16, 2016, 11:38:53 PM
Consecutive double-digit wins...
2005-06
89 74 Centenary - T 6-4
95 64 Oakland - H 7-4 - Non Conference
105 73 Longwood - H 8-4 - Non Conference
80 60 Oral Roberts - H 9-4
88 72 IPFW - H 10-4
82 68 Western Illinois - T 11-4
so we did have 4 consecutive conference wins by more than 10....
I believe talksalot was counting Centenary, Oakland, Oral Roberts and Western Illinois as the four conference opponents. Not IPFW or Longwood. He labeled Oakland incorrectly and should have put IPFW as non-conference.
Quote from: a3uge on January 17, 2016, 03:07:46 PMQuote from: bbtds on January 17, 2016, 02:51:44 PMQuote from: VULB#62 on January 16, 2016, 10:49:52 PMActually Darien was one RB away from a double double too (10 pts, 9 RBs). That would have been a triple double double!
It wouldn't have happened if Carrington Love hadn't fouled Darien with less than 10 seconds left and GB down by 13 which seemed like a rather silly play on the Phoenix part.
The spread was 14. Maybe one of the players had money on the game.
Either ESPN or SI did a study on point shaving a few years ago and found that it's not uncommon in games like this, when the point spread is not particularly close but not a complete blowout either (8-15 points). I'm not making any claims, but I wonder if it's happened in the Horizon.
Quote from: hailcrusaders on January 17, 2016, 03:20:26 PM
Quote from: a3uge on January 17, 2016, 03:07:46 PMQuote from: bbtds on January 17, 2016, 02:51:44 PMQuote from: VULB#62 on January 16, 2016, 10:49:52 PMActually Darien was one RB away from a double double too (10 pts, 9 RBs). That would have been a triple double double!
It wouldn't have happened if Carrington Love hadn't fouled Darien with less than 10 seconds left and GB down by 13 which seemed like a rather silly play on the Phoenix part.
The spread was 14. Maybe one of the players had money on the game.
Either ESPN or SI did a study on point shaving a few years ago and found that it's not uncommon in games like this, when the point spread is not particularly close but not a complete blowout either (8-15 points). I'm not making any claims, but I wonder if it's happened in the Horizon.
So one of the Phoenix players bet against his own team and Valpo to win by more than 14. In the last seconds he reminded Love that if they were going to lose to lose by more than 14. Then when it was 13 points Love realized Valpo needed to score 2 more points and decided to foul Darien. Well, that seems a bit of a stretch but if there is a lot of money to be made you never know. Maybe Love would get some of the money if he made sure GB lost by more than 14.
I figured he just wanted to jack up another shot before time expired.
There's a much simpler and much more likely explanation: he, like a whole lot of players, was simply playing the full 40 minutes and wasn't deciding on his own to throw in the towel. Maybe his coach didn't call off the dogs because he wanted them to keep that mindset going forward.
Occam's Razor, etc.
Quote from: StlVUFan on January 17, 2016, 05:35:29 PM
There's a much simpler and much more likely explanation: he, like a whole lot of players, was simply playing the full 40 minutes and wasn't deciding on his own to throw in the towel. Maybe his coach didn't call off the dogs because he wanted them to keep that mindset going forward.
Occam's Razor, etc.
Good point, the coach must have been in on it.
Quote from: StlVUFan on January 17, 2016, 05:35:29 PM
There's a much simpler and much more likely explanation: he, like a whole lot of players, was simply playing the full 40 minutes and wasn't deciding on his own to throw in the towel. Maybe his coach didn't call off the dogs because he wanted them to keep that mindset going forward.
Occam's Razor, etc.
Plus, their system is not called RP39:50.
Quote from: bbtds on January 17, 2016, 03:17:26 PMI believe talksalot was counting Centenary, Oakland, Oral Roberts and Western Illinois as the four conference opponents. Not IPFW or Longwood. He labeled Oakland incorrectly and should have put IPFW as non-conference.
uh, nope. I screwed up....I missed the Centenary game completely... would not have even found that without Aaron Leavitt's game notes...
Green Bay wasn't a complete re-building program. While they lost super star Sykes, Love. Lowe and Fouse were veteran players.
Quote from: bbtds on January 17, 2016, 03:41:51 PMQuote from: hailcrusaders on January 17, 2016, 03:20:26 PMQuote from: a3uge on January 17, 2016, 03:07:46 PMQuote from: bbtds on January 17, 2016, 02:51:44 PMQuote from: VULB#62 on January 16, 2016, 10:49:52 PMActually Darien was one RB away from a double double too (10 pts, 9 RBs). That would have been a triple double double!
It wouldn't have happened if Carrington Love hadn't fouled Darien with less than 10 seconds left and GB down by 13 which seemed like a rather silly play on the Phoenix part.
The spread was 14. Maybe one of the players had money on the game.
Either ESPN or SI did a study on point shaving a few years ago and found that it's not uncommon in games like this, when the point spread is not particularly close but not a complete blowout either (8-15 points). I'm not making any claims, but I wonder if it's happened in the Horizon.
So one of the Phoenix players bet against his own team and Valpo to win by more than 14. In the last seconds he reminded Love that if they were going to lose to lose by more than 14. Then when it was 13 points Love realized Valpo needed to score 2 more points and decided to foul Darien. Well, that seems a bit of a stretch but if there is a lot of money to be made you never know. Maybe Love would get some of the money if he made sure GB lost by more than 14.
Quote from: a3uge on January 16, 2016, 02:57:34 PMQuote from: bbtds on January 16, 2016, 02:04:36 PMI'll predict that a team with Green Bay in it's name will lose tonight.
Hopefully just one [emoji16]
Unfortunately it was a double whammy for Green Bay area fans............I was so sad...........NOT!