Let's get this started!!
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This WILL be vashils last game in a crusader uniform. He will always remember his last game which is a championship game at Madison square garden. Pretty cool.
After playing our first game on ESPN News, this will be our 4th consecutive showcase game on ESPN. How cool is that?
Quote from: wh on March 30, 2016, 08:09:54 AM
After playing our first game on ESPN News, this will be our 4th consecutive showcase game on ESPN. How cool is that?
Actually our first game against Texas Southern was on ESPN3, online only. Florida State was on ESPNews, and St. Mary's, BYU and now George Washington will be on the mothership.
Also George Washington always makes me think of this... (Some NSFW language, but funny nonetheless)
So I just did a little box score checking on GW. They start guys 6'10, 6'9, 6'8, 6'6 and 6'1. However they appear to have little size in reserve as the next three off the bench are 5'11, 6'2, and 6'1.
Hard to judge how good they are by their record. They beat Hofstra on a last second shot and lost early in the year to Indiana State by 2. They also beat Virginia and Florida and Rhode Island (by 4 at home), but lost to other teams like DePaul and St. Louis.
I heard their coach on a post game interview and he said their 1-3-1 defense caused SDSU problems and that SDSU only hit 3 of 22 3's. We gained some experience against this defense and no doubt can shoot better than 3 of 22 (hopefully!)
This will be the last game for this team, especially the seniors. Play a full 40 minutes and we beat GWU!
Valpo 70
GWU 66
GW is clearly a higher variance team than Valpo. Statistically, they were 171st in performance variance in ESPN's BPI and Valpo was 312 (out of 351). It is really hard to judge anything from their SDSU game other than they handle size well. SDSU has troubles making baskets on a good night and Fischer is a horrible game coach.
1-3-1 is a good defense for Valpo to match up against as long as Valpo makes its corner threes. Peters, Walker or Carter getting hot could take them out of that 1-3-1 very quickly. I am also worried about Valpo taking care of the ball. 20 turnovers against BYU and I think that GW is a better defensive team.
What's the spread? I don't think we have been the underdog in games other than Oregon and Oregon St.
Besides the corner threes another opportunity is for the lob pass. I'd try having Shane run the baseline, go to ball side corner, stay there while the ball is reversed he can go up high. Should work once...you could also have the baseline guy set a screen and have the guy who reversed the ball go up high.
Dribble penetration, quick passing, and good decision (shot) making can knock them out of their zone.
Valpo wins 68-64
Quote from: oklahomamick on March 30, 2016, 10:32:10 AM
What's the spread? I don't think we have been the underdog in games other than Oregon and Oregon St.
Valpo -2
Quote from: oklahomamick on March 30, 2016, 10:32:10 AM
What's the spread? I don't think we have been the underdog in games other than Oregon and Oregon St.
And Rhode Island
I meant the spread for the championship game against GW.
We don't see a 1-3-1 defense all season and now we are going to see one in the last 2 games of the NIT. That is pretty crazy. I didn't think teams played one anymore unless it was a true half court trap followed by falling back into a 2-3. It caused us major problems in the 2nd half. We couldn't swing the ball and that had us very confused.
They may not be able to play the 1-3-1 zone as flat against us as they did against SDSU. This really prevented the dribble penetration. If they do then we will have to hit some outside corner shots. If they have to play it higher against us then it really becomes susceptible to penetration. Playing against a primarily zone defense is not something we have faced much at all this year. Because BYU was much better offensively in the second half we didn't look to hot when they had time to really set up the zone, way too many outside jumpers for my liking. Hope we don't settle for those shots in the GW game.
Valpo 74
GW 68
Shane, Keith, and Alec really exploited the 1-3-1 by driving across the lane near the FT line, and kicking to wide open shooters. It took us awhile to realize that we could do this, as BYU made their comeback when we were basically just throwing it back-and-forth, and almost getting our passes intercepted/tipped on every pass.
Quote from: oklahomamick on March 30, 2016, 10:32:10 AM
What's the spread? I don't think we have been the underdog in games other than Oregon and Oregon St.
And even for Oregon State, while we opened as underdogs (as we did in some cases against BYU), by tipoff it was even, or sometimes Valpo was even favored.
For Rhode Island it looks like we were, mostly, slight underdogs.
Quote from: SanityLost17 on March 30, 2016, 11:24:28 AMWe don't see a 1-3-1 defense all season and now we are going to see one in the last 2 games of the NIT.
Seems like we saw a little of it somewhere-Maybe Belmont ???
Quote from: FWalum on March 30, 2016, 11:26:03 AMThey may not be able to play the 1-3-1 zone as flat against us as they did against SDSU. This really prevented the dribble penetration. If they do then we will have to hit some outside corner shots. If they have to play it higher against us then it really becomes susceptible to penetration.
Key to the game could be early outside shooting.
Quote from: valpotx on March 30, 2016, 11:38:21 AMShane, Keith, and Alec really exploited the 1-3-1 by driving across the lane near the FT line, and kicking to wide open shooters.
Many of our turnovers were balls clawed away as we dribble penetrated or passes tipped on the kick outs and bounce passes in. As long as they can stay in the zone we are in danger. If we can pull them out of it we might cruise to an easy victory.
I expect most of the crowd to be pulling for GW either because they are the perceived underdog or because they have about twice as many students and presumed alumni base plus, DC is only a 4.5 hour drive.
You would be surprised how many Valpo alumni from the east coast showed up at MSG for the NIT game. When parking costs $50 to $60 in Manhattan it's quite a commitment.
Valpo wins 72-71. They will be dancing on Lincolnway!
For the benefit of those of us who were unable to get to N Y, what kind of prices did you find regarding rooms, food,etc? The pre-game thing costing $60 made me wonder what other prices you found.
Lower bowl ticket $50. HOTEL $139+ TAXES Wyndham New Yorker11/2 blocks away
Would really appreciate it if someone going to the game with a fairly new phone could get some good photos if they get a chance. Thanks!
Quote from: vu72 on March 30, 2016, 02:29:13 PM
I expect most of the crowd to be pulling for GW either because they are the perceived underdog or because they have about twice as many students and presumed alumni base plus, DC is only a 4.5 hour drive.
Crowd for GWwas really big and loud
Interviewer: Where did you go to school?
Josh: It was called George Washington.
Interviewer: Oh, GW? My brother-in-law got his doctorate there. Did you pledge?
Josh: Yes. Every morning.
Valpo by 9.
Daughter got her Doctorate at GW (undergrad was Wake Forest), but I am pretty sure she will be rooting for VU. I did a good job of indoctrinating her into the VU family during her childhood even if she didn't go to VU. Now if it was VU versus Wake then that might be a different story.
Win or lose, tonight is the final game for seniors and this team. Each year is a new team, you lose 1-2 gain 1-2 and that changes everything from off the court to on the court. The 2015/2016 team has been a blessing (As Drew would say). Big thanks and appreciation to the student/athletes, coaching staff, administration and the Valpo staff that prepares the stadium on game days. More ESPN games than most seasons and that makes even more stressful to prepare for. One last one, thanks to the Valpo community for showing up at the St. Mary's game.
I will miss watching this team compete. Good Luck and let's win our 2nd championship this season. (HL regular season champs and NIT Champs)
Ya let's enjoy the run. Hope its not 71 years till Valpo gets to MSG again . ;) This team comes to play win or lose, they will be missed.
Quote from: VUfan on March 31, 2016, 08:52:38 AM
Ya let's enjoy the run. Hope its not 71 years till Valpo gets to MSG again . ;) This team comes to play win or lose, they will be missed.
Actually I'd hope they don't make it to MSG again for 71 years because they make the NCAA tourny 71 straight years.
One key factor, as we say every game, will be Vashil staying out of foul trouble. GW was 12th (out of 14) in their league in 2 point FG% during conference play, but 2nd in the league in free throws attempted (.75 FT%). They also shoot the three pretty well (.370). We're predominantly a man-to-man team (and rightfully so), but perhaps we play a little bit of zone this game? Cavanaugh is their version of Alec Peters. That will be a fun showdown to watch. As we've mentioned, they're not as deep as we are. Alex Mitola leads their bench with 5.3 points per game.
As long as they don't light us up from deep, I'm pretty confident.
A lot of zone defenses encourage the three point shot...I'd say you man to man and get up on them tight. Force them to put the ball on the court and let Vashil do his thing in the paint. :twocents:
But, we'll see. Coach Drew is a lot smarter then I am.
I think the key to this game for us will be can we drive to the hoop and get to the line early on. If they're bench isn't that deep and we can get a few of their starters to have 2-3 fouls by the end of the first half I like our chances.
Another point of interest is when we get to the line make our damn FTs. We were lucky BYU shot as poorly as we did from the charity stripe, if they would've shot well it would've been the final game of the season.
That said, Valpo wins by 7.
Mid Major Madness picks GW by 4 (70-66)
http://www.midmajormadness.com/2016-nit-tournament/2016/3/31/11331116/nit-championship-preview-valparaiso-george-washington
Quote from: HC on March 31, 2016, 10:42:13 AMA lot of zone defenses encourage the three point shot...I'd say you man to man and get up on them tight. Force them to put the ball on the court and let Vashil do his thing in the paint. :twocents: But, we'll see. Coach Drew is a lot smarter then I am.
Forgot to mention their heights in regards to zone/man. They're just as big as we are. But we've still stuck with man even in situations like this, so I think you're right.
Quote from: VULB#62 on March 31, 2016, 10:51:10 AMMid Major Madness picks GW by 4 (70-66) http://www.midmajormadness.com/2016-nit-tournament/2016/3/31/11331116/nit-championship-preview-valparaiso-george-washington
Can't see us giving up 70+ points two games in a row. BYU was a better offensive team that GW is.
Quote from: hailcrusaders on March 31, 2016, 10:53:12 AM
Quote from: HC on March 31, 2016, 10:42:13 AMA lot of zone defenses encourage the three point shot...I'd say you man to man and get up on them tight. Force them to put the ball on the court and let Vashil do his thing in the paint. :twocents: But, we'll see. Coach Drew is a lot smarter then I am.
Forgot to mention their heights in regards to zone/man. They're just as big as we are. But we've still stuck with man even in situations like this, so I think you're right.
In their starting five. They bring guys off the bench who are in the 6'2" range. Mitola is 5'11". If we get their bigs in foul trouble/wear them down, we should be in good shape.
Quote from: hailcrusaders on March 31, 2016, 10:54:49 AM
Quote from: VULB#62 on March 31, 2016, 10:51:10 AMMid Major Madness picks GW by 4 (70-66) http://www.midmajormadness.com/2016-nit-tournament/2016/3/31/11331116/nit-championship-preview-valparaiso-george-washington
Can't see us giving up 70+ points two games in a row. BYU was a better offensive team that GW is.
Couple points
1. We gave up 70+ points three games in a row this season (Oakland, Detroit, Milwaukee) and twice in a row in the postseason (Green Bay, Texas Southern) sure it took Milwaukee OT to get to 70, but it's happened already, could happen again.
2. George Washington is actually a much more efficient offense than BYU. They aren't as good shooters than BYU, but holy crap can they rebound the ball (almost as well as we can). Our slowing-it-down defense is not going to affect them much as they run a much slower offensive set, Rhode Island and Milwaukee are the only teams we played who run slower offenses.
From KenPom, the "Thrill Score" of this game is better than either of Sunday's elite 8 games and the second best of the Monday-Friday set of games, only to a BYU-Valpo game. That was a good one right?
This is the only team who we're playing in the NIT that I haven't seen a game before coming into the NIT. I watched them take down a VERY good San Diego St. team, a team that's built very similarly to us, good defense, doesn't turn their opponents over much, average-ish offenses. We're a much better shooting team than SDSU, so hopefully that bodes well for us. Overall, this is the game I was hoping for, and we've been able to avoid the top 50 defenses that scared me in this tournament (Georgia, Creighton, SDSU). Defense wins championships, now let's go out there and get Vashil a ring. They give rings to the NIT Champs right?
Quote from: Kyle321n on March 31, 2016, 11:20:46 AMQuote from: hailcrusaders on March 31, 2016, 10:54:49 AMQuote from: VULB#62 on March 31, 2016, 10:51:10 AMMid Major Madness picks GW by 4 (70-66) http://www.midmajormadness.com/2016-nit-tournament/2016/3/31/11331116/nit-championship-preview-valparaiso-george-washington
Can't see us giving up 70+ points two games in a row. BYU was a better offensive team that GW is.
Couple points 1. We gave up 70+ points three games in a row this season (Oakland, Detroit, Milwaukee) and twice in a row in the postseason (Green Bay, Texas Southern) sure it took Milwaukee OT to get to 70, but it's happened already, could happen again. 2. George Washington is actually a much more efficient offense than BYU. They aren't as good shooters than BYU, but holy crap can they rebound the ball (almost as well as we can). Our slowing-it-down defense is not going to affect them much as they run a much slower offensive set, Rhode Island and Milwaukee are the only teams we played who run slower offenses. From KenPom, the "Thrill Score" of this game is better than either of Sunday's elite 8 games and the second best of the Monday-Friday set of games, only to a BYU-Valpo game. That was a good one right? This is the only team who we're playing in the NIT that I haven't seen a game before coming into the NIT. I watched them take down a VERY good San Diego St. team, a team that's built very similarly to us, good defense, doesn't turn their opponents over much, average-ish offenses. We're a much better shooting team than SDSU, so hopefully that bodes well for us. Overall, this is the game I was hoping for, and we've been able to avoid the top 50 defenses that scared me in this tournament (Georgia, Creighton, SDSU). Defense wins championships, now let's go out there and get Vashil a ring. They give rings to the NIT Champs right?
BYU, Oakland, Detroit, and Milwaukee all play at fast paces, which allowed them to put up points on us even if our D played well on a per-possession basis. GW plays slower. It appears to me that GW's offense is more akin to Wright State or St. Mary's. For GW to put up 70 on us, they'll probably have to score 1.1+ points per possession, and I'm hoping that won't happen.
Besides the comments above, I think that it is critical that Valpo have a strong second option tonight on offense, The good news is that Valpo has multiple guys that can come up with a 15+ performance. I am thinking Darien Walker will be the guy. He looks good shooting the ball recently and I think he will get some open looks.
By the way, I do hope Valpo plays in the NIT in MSG soon...in the PRESEASON NIT.
Quote from: VULB#62 on March 31, 2016, 10:51:10 AM
Mid Major Madness picks GW by 4 (70-66)
http://www.midmajormadness.com/2016-nit-tournament/2016/3/31/11331116/nit-championship-preview-valparaiso-george-washington
Sports Illustrated, before the semifinals, picked us to win the final over GWU.
Vegas line's still got us by two or so.
Quote from: vu72 on March 31, 2016, 11:08:16 AMIn their starting five. They bring guys off the bench who are in the 6'2" range. Mitola is 5'11". If we get their bigs in foul trouble/wear them down, we should be in good shape.
And, do I remember well that they only play a seven-man roster, an that their starting point guard picked up ankle issue in the semi-final, and didn't practice yesterday? He's expected to play today, of course. But, they may not be very deep.
Is LeCrone present at MSG?
Not the best start. Can anybody but Peters hit a shot other than a layup?
Tied it up and out of the hole. But Keith is leaving for the locker room.
Cavanaugh may have made the play of the game when he ran Carter over and put him out of the game. Hope Carter can come back in the second half.
Are the other point guards really worse options than Hammink?
looked bad on defense that led to the timeout before the 16 media timeout, but our offense is very stagnant.
We need to start hitting the boards, and few threes wouldn't hurt
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We are awful tonight. Lethargic and weak in so many areas of the game.
Spike Albright would immediately be the best guard on the floor, so I hope we are seriously considering him. Aside from Peters, these guys just do not have the killer instinct.
1 and done every time on the offensive side.
Two quick fouls on Vashil. Another slow start coming out of the half.
At least Carter is trying to play.
We're shooting the ball like San Diego State. If we don't pick it up we're gonna get blown out.
Worst I've seen us play all year. Look like we have no idea what to do. Everything is on the outside which we can't hit and they are lighten it up from everywhere.
GW just hit back to back ridiculous 3pt shots
One of seven from 3 this half. Pitiful.
GW is a far better team. They have 3 guys who have made the Valpo defenders look terrible. GW should've been the top seed.
Where is Alec? Where is the fire? We look like we are just going through the motions at this point. I think we lose by 20+. Bryce obviously cannot motivate the team tonight. It is not going to affect his attractiveness to other programs, but he was totally outcoached.
Very bad matchup for us. Teams will be running zone against us all next year if this is the best we can do against it
Quote from: hailcrusaders on March 31, 2016, 10:36:23 AMAs long as they don't light us up from deep, I'm pretty confident.
Unfortunately good prediction.
Two thoughts.
What an exciting season!
What a disappointing end.
Quote from: hailcrusaders on March 31, 2016, 10:54:49 AMCan't see us giving up 70+ points two games in a row. BYU was a better offensive team that GW is.
Unfortunately a bad prediction.
They are better tonight. We are having a bad shooting night. Our 6 losses don't add up to this deficit?
at least we had more dunks than they did...
GW was just a much better team tonight. They played with poise we didn't. They hit the shots we didn't. To bad we didn't have a better showing in our last game on national tv. Sucks to get blown out.
Nice to see Nick hit a shot. Too bad nobody else could shoot worth a darn.
Still a great season. Best since 98. Proud of the team.
How many times has an opposing player made his 1st (and 2nd) three of the season against us!? Embarrassing and disappointing ending...once Carter went down I figured that's how it was going to go though. Props to GW for being sparked after that buzzer beater over Hofstra, they seemed pretty unstoppable after the first round.
Thank you seniors, and thank you team for a 30 win season and some new memories! See y'all next year.
Disappointing to be blown out in a championship game. A fun season overall, though. We have lots of glitches to fix before this fall. Something tells me Alec will have to motivate and light a fire under the returning guys.
Alec not showing up to press conference, I hope i'm not looking too much into that.
Great season guys, in spite of not playing well in the second half. It would have been a completely different game if their jack a$$ didn't fall on Carter towards the end of the first half. We couldn't move the ball with him at 50%. George Washington is NOT the better team overall. They were hitting more shots than they usually do, and we were only down 1 at the half, even though we were turning the ball over a lot.
I truly hope that Bryce and Peters are back, and that Carter gets another year, but if not, they all did us proud. We can't fault any of them if they choose to go somewhere they don't have to win a conference tourney, in order to play on the biggest stage of college basketball. I will miss Vashil and the improvement he showed, and the moments that Darien had when he was a solid player. It's too bad that E Vic had so many injuries, as he was pretty good last year, and it would have been interesting to see him at full strength on this team.
We were outplayed by a very good team. With GW's execution we needed our best game and it was not available.
It is a shame about Keith, we needed his best. It is a shame about Tevonn because he never completely shook off the rust from his injury. It is also a shame about EVN. He played the entire year with the hip and wrist problems limiting his effectiveness.
I wish his senior year could have been played at nearer full strength. Tonight we really could have used that boost.
Even at full health that 1-3-1 would have been a big problem. To have a chance we had to shoot well from deep but it didn't happen.
Swoosh, Alec was at the press conference. Bryce mentioned we are 0-2 without Carter.
Alec is probably pissed, as he despises losing, but he is too professional not to show up.
Can't believe AP didn't get more touches in the 2nd half. No fire in the Crusaders tonight and as a result we got our butts kicked badly in the 2nd half. Still, a great season overall.
It was a vary good year. :) Just a long twenty Minutes, GW's night :(
Unfortunately, tonight wasn't our night, but it was a nice run to the championship game and a successful season overall. I will have many fond memories of this group.
Just curious, but are other coaches allowed to recruit Peters after this season, or does he have to declare himself as a graduate transfer first? I am hoping that he actually has to declare such a thing first, so other coaches don't get in his ears all summer.
Butler's fan forum has an Alec Peters topic with several pages
There have already been calls from at least one Big Ten school that I've heard about to his high school and AAU coaches regarding his status.
Let's hypothetical here. Assume Bryce is back and Keith is not. I know we're looking into the Spike situation and a good pitch could bring him back to the region. If bradford can give us the Darien Walker role(when he was coming off the bench) and we can add a little size...this team might not fall off much, if at all. If Byrce leaves, all bets are off.
Congrats on your season. I know the Big Dance was your goal, but getting to the NIT finals with a trip to NYC and prime time games on ESPN is very impressive. And I think making it that far may have increased exposure more than one or two games in the Big Dance (making the Sweet 16 would have been a different story of course). For your sake, hopefully the offseason will have no turnover aside from the graduating seniors...for the rest of the Horizon League, hopefully Bryce gets an offer he can't refuse and Peters uses a graduate transfer to follow him haha. Seriously though, I do hope they both return to Valpo next season.
It's really bizzare how the NCAA allows transferring without losing eligibility on the 4th or 4 years, but makes someone like Carter sit out a full year and still lose a half year of eligibility. It's frustrating since the power conference schools have an advantage with recruits because they can afford living quarters with a full time masseuse for their athletes, but it's apparently still not enough, so they also can take seasoned mid major players that someone else developed, and oh yeah, that's still not enough, so they hire prostitutes or hire people to take tests for their players.
Quote from: a3uge on April 01, 2016, 08:33:38 AM
It's really bizzare how the NCAA allows transferring without losing eligibility on the 4th or 4 years, but makes someone like Carter sit out a full year and still lose a half year of eligibility.
Actually, he sat out 2 semesters - and lost 2 semesters of eligibility.
I highly doubt that Peters would land at Butler. If he is going to leave us, I imagine that it would be WITH Bryce. He seems to have a large chip on his shoulder regarding Power 5 teams that passed him up, so I don't see him going to the Big Ten unless Bryce finds a job there too.
Maybe this is wishful thinking, but I would be very surprised if Alec seriously considers leaving. He's already shown he can bring his same game against Major teams. Unlike a some Mid major players, he's a very well known commodity in the college basketball world. There's as much or more risk with making such a move rather than staying put, having a great senior season, setting records, winning a ton of games, etc.
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on April 01, 2016, 07:26:29 AM
Let's hypothetical here. Assume Bryce is back and Keith is not. I know we're looking into the Spike situation and a good pitch could bring him back to the region. If bradford can give us the Darien Walker role(when he was coming off the bench) and we can add a little size...this team might not fall off much, if at all. If Byrce leaves, all bets are off.
It really gets down to a point guard. Our starting five is pretty set with Alec, Skara, Shane, Tevonn and Derrik. That is unless we get a graduate transfer or Micah turns into a stud. In that case we bring David off the bench along with Jubril. That's seven deep with Shane playing back-up point again. We need another big, no doubt. That is where the graduate transfer could really make us something very special.
We have a couple scholarships open for transfers, and Valpo typically takes on a couple transfers a year. They just didn't this year because all the scholarships were filled.
I think an intriguing option would be Devon Walker out of Florida: http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/15083032/florida-gators-guard-devon-walker-plans-transfer-graduation. Not because of his play, but just to confuse people.
Quote from: a3uge on April 01, 2016, 11:40:01 AMNot because of his play, but just to confuse people.
That was exactly what I thought as I read your post!
it's probably just fear based....I hope
Transferring to a bigger school didn't work out for the NBA hopes of our last guy to try that route, Brandon Wood.
Quote from: a3uge on April 01, 2016, 11:40:01 AM
We have a couple scholarships open for transfers, and Valpo typically takes on a couple transfers a year. They just didn't this year because all the scholarships were filled.
I think an intriguing option would be Devon Walker out of Florida: http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/15083032/florida-gators-guard-devon-walker-plans-transfer-graduation. Not because of his play, but just to confuse people.
I would pay good money to see three Valpo Walkers on the court at the same time. :twocents:
Quote from: swiftmutiny on April 01, 2016, 03:51:30 PM
Quote from: a3uge on April 01, 2016, 11:40:01 AM
We have a couple scholarships open for transfers, and Valpo typically takes on a couple transfers a year. They just didn't this year because all the scholarships were filled.
I think an intriguing option would be Devon Walker out of Florida: http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/15083032/florida-gators-guard-devon-walker-plans-transfer-graduation. Not because of his play, but just to confuse people.
I would pay good money to see three Valpo Walkers on the court at the same time. :twocents:
We'd need 2 Walker recruits - Darien is a "senior" because he played juco 2 years (again, stupid rule).
Valpo played horribly and lethargically and their best player, stud Peters decided not to show up. Not a good thing to do when you are on the national stage and being talked about as a potential NBA player.
Quote from: Just Sayin on April 01, 2016, 05:46:36 PM
Valpo played horribly and lethargically and their best player, stud Peters decided not to show up. Not a good thing to do when you are on the national stage and being talked about as a potential NBA player.
Could any of US play very well with double and sometimes triple coverage. I sincerely doubt it sir.
So you are saying they were unprepared.
As I recall, Homer ran several plays and screen sets to get his stud open in 1998. Much of the offense was centered around getting Bryce open to take the shots. Why didn't Bryce do the same thing with Peters in big games? He got lost the last two games and people who shouldn't even be taking three point shots were launching and missing over and over.
You're wondering how a shooting guard that got drafted in the first round seemed to get more open looks than our current power forward?
^^^ this ^^^
Come on people. Use your brains just a little bit.
Just because Peters didn't take shots, doesn't mean there weren't plays run for him. There were a number of plays run designed to get him shots that he couldn't get off because of GW's defense.
Reality check - Peters is great but he is not NBA potential great.
McDermott found a way to get it done in big games while facing very good defenses and getting double and triple-teamed. So you are admitting that you think Peters who has put up similar numbers than Bryce over his career is not NBA potential? Wow.
I am pessimistic that the NCAA will grant Keith another year. I don't know if Albrecht would even consider Valpo. Honestly, Valpo is a big step-down from Michigan in competition and prestige. But if Spike suited-up in a Valpo uniform, he would instantly become our best guard. He has repeatedly played in high-pressure games and has proven that he can excel in them. He can take a game over and light a fire under this team. He and Alec can feed off each other's passion.
We have to demonstrate sustained fire and grit. That is what leads teams to excel in tournaments and upset higher-ranked opponents. Butler is the model for this -- a smaller school that has demonstrated these qualities time and time again.
Without substantial improvement plus the addition of a star JC power forward or Albrecht, I do not see us as a top-25 program next year.
Quote from: usc4valpo on April 02, 2016, 06:04:02 AM
Reality check - Peters is great but he is not NBA potential great.
Why do you think he is not NBA potential?
Quote from: grad66 on April 01, 2016, 07:44:32 PM
Quote from: Just Sayin on April 01, 2016, 05:46:36 PM
Valpo played horribly and lethargically and their best player, stud Peters decided not to show up. Not a good thing to do when you are on the national stage and being talked about as a potential NBA player.
Could any of US play very well with double and sometimes triple coverage. I sincerely doubt it sir.
That is the lamest excuse I've ever heard for not performing well.
Quote from: a3uge on April 01, 2016, 09:37:54 PM
You're wondering how a shooting guard that got drafted in the first round seemed to get more open looks than our current power forward?
How do forwards like Doug McDermott seem to pull off getting open looks and knocking them down, some with the help from set plays to get him open but Peters can't seem to do? Peters is likely to break nearly of all of Bryce's records.
So you all want to give the excuse that Peters' poor performance was due to your judgment that he is not an NBA player? Seriously?
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Alec-Peters-77931/stats/
Quote from: Just Sayin on April 02, 2016, 09:31:45 AM
So you all want to give the excuse that Peters' poor performance was due to your judgment that he is not an NBA player? Seriously?
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Alec-Peters-77931/stats/
Alec is the #34 ranked junior. BTW, Felder is #9.
Quote from: Just Sayin on April 02, 2016, 09:26:36 AM
Quote from: a3uge on April 01, 2016, 09:37:54 PM
You're wondering how a shooting guard that got drafted in the first round seemed to get more open looks than our current power forward?
How do forwards like Doug McDermott seem to pull off getting open looks and knocking them down, some with the help from set plays to get him open but Peters can't seem to do? Peters is likely to break nearly of all of Bryce's records.
So instead of Bryce, you use a Naismith College Player of the Year / NBA lottery pick... Some standard.
Also, Peters made more 3s this year than McDermott did his junior year.
Quote from: Just Sayin on April 02, 2016, 09:22:43 AM
Quote from: usc4valpo on April 02, 2016, 06:04:02 AM
Reality check - Peters is great but he is not NBA potential great.
Why do you think he is not NBA potential?
Do you understand how great you have to be to make the NBA?
It has nothing to do with the NIT final - but he is likely a step slow to make the NBA.
QuoteMcDermott found a way to get it done in big games while facing very good defenses and getting double and triple-teamed.
Had to register to say that we held McDermott to seven points (lowest total of last couple of years) when we played him. When players play Lonergran defenses hard, we've shut down some spectacular players (we didn't all the time, hence NIT).
Well, we didn't lose by 44.
Quote from: vusupporter on April 02, 2016, 07:21:38 PMWell, we didn't lose by 44.
hey hey take it easy on my sooners. First school to make the final 4 in both basketball and football.