First one is out.
http://www.slipperstillfits.com/2016/11/3/13510428/2017-ncaa-tournament-bracketology-gonzaga-bulldogs (http://www.slipperstillfits.com/2016/11/3/13510428/2017-ncaa-tournament-bracketology-gonzaga-bulldogs)
Valpo #12 seed vs. West Virginia @ Tulsa
Gotta love this version, Valpo as a 12 going up against a five seeded Butler in Milwaukee!!!! I would not miss this one!
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology
Wouldn't that be fantastic. Buck Futler forever :)
Quote from: vu72 on December 02, 2016, 09:16:57 AM
Gotta love this version, Valpo as a 12 going up against a five seeded Butler in Milwaukee!!!! I would not miss this one!
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology
That would be fun! It would also equal the highest NCAAT seed for both teams. Hope they both keep playing as well as they have early this season.
New one posted December 15.
Valpo #13 seed vs #4 Wisconsin @ Milwaukee
Couldn't believe he had Rhode Island as a # 10 seed. Don't believe it? Look at it
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology)
Quote from: oklahomamick on December 15, 2016, 09:37:27 PM
New one posted December 15.
Valpo #13 seed vs #4 Wisconsin @ Milwaukee
Couldn't believe he had Rhode Island as a # 10 seed. Don't believe it? Look at it
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology)
It's Lunardi, isn't it? Enough said.
Quote from: oklahomamick on December 15, 2016, 09:37:27 PM
New one posted December 15.
Valpo #13 seed vs #4 Wisconsin @ Milwaukee
Couldn't believe he had Rhode Island as a # 10 seed. Don't believe it? Look at it
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology)
I could care about this about as much as I care about pre-season polls.
Way too early to care about 11 vs 12 vs 13 seed. The important part is that we've given no reason for a terrible seed, and that's all you can ask for from a mid major team, if Valpo makes the tournament.
Valpo a 10 seed in Jerry Palm's latest (12/19) bracket.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology)
Quote from: zvillehaze on December 20, 2016, 08:50:22 AM
Valpo a 10 seed in Jerry Palm's latest (12/19) bracket.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology)
With the at-large play-in games at the 11 and 12 spot. Complimentary.
Evidently it's also not too soon for
http://bracketmatrix.com/
We have an 8 and a 9 in the current iteration. But, on balance, maybe we're 5th or 6th out of the at-large places in that compendium.
Quote from: agibson on December 20, 2016, 09:24:40 AMEvidently it's also not too soon forhttp://bracketmatrix.com/We have an 8 and a 9 in the current iteration. But, on balance, maybe we're 5th or 6th out of the at-large places in that compendium.
The way I'm reading the Bracketmatrix site is that Valpo is on 19 of the 24 brackets that bracketmatrix is currently following. Oakland is on 6 brackets. Only ISW has Valpo as an at-large berth. The other 23 have either Valpo or Oakland winning the HL tournament to get into the NCAA tournament.
Yes, we have one 8 seed and two 9 seeds. If we are somehow able to get an 11/12 seed, I think we could do something this year.
Kyletology (my own evolving formulaic way of figuring out the bracket that's frankly a little :crazy:) has Valpo at a 13 seed and we're playing Duke. Right now that game would take place in Milwaukee, but knowing the NCAA they will find a way to get Duke in South Carolina. The other teams in Milwaukee: #3 Butler playing #14 Princeton, #5 Notre Dame playing #12 Nevada and #6 South Carolina playing the winner of Oklahoma St and Utah.
Move us to a 12 and you get the ND - Valpo game we've been waiting for....
Quote from: valpo84 on January 24, 2017, 10:02:18 AM
Move us to a 12 and you get the ND - Valpo game we've been waiting for....
Or if we beat Duke and ND wins, you could have the Lutheran Miracle II
Anyone else glad to have this conversation back up and active? Just sayin'
oh, and the little popup adds are not distracting! (seriously, they're OK) "Search for Russian Women" was a bit of a curiousity... and then the Hungry Howies popped up approaching lunch time.
Hope they are covering the costs!
Quote from: talksalot on January 24, 2017, 10:52:19 AM
Anyone else glad to have this conversation back up and active? Just sayin'
oh, and the little popup adds are not distracting! (seriously, they're OK) "Search for Russian Women" was a bit of a curiousity... and then the Hungry Howies popped up approaching lunch time.
Hope they are covering the costs!
You may not want to divulge which ads you see, talksalot. Remember, they are targeted to individual users based on their browsing history and, ahem, interests. ;)
Quote from: talksalot on January 24, 2017, 10:52:19 AMAnyone else glad to have this conversation back up and active? Just sayin'
Yes and no. Seems like I spent a lot of time thinkings about brackets last years and then was surprised with a first round pair up with Texas Southern at the ARC. :o Speaking of TSU they just lost to Mississippi Valley St which dropped them from 72 to 97 in RPI. They had zero OOC home games and are leading the SWAC by miles. It would be temping to give them a home and home just from respect for their coach.
This year I refuse to think much past the HL Tournament seeding. From experience I am expecting our competitors to provide NBA level efforts at JLA while showing us as little as possible between then and now. So stay focused, keeping March in mind and quit worrying about the statistical success rates between a 12 or 13 seed. At this point in time with our needs for continued improvement Matt should only be worried about developing a HL Tournament Champion. If that loses us an extra game or 2 then, Oh Well.
I am prepared to talk NIT by floating a question. If we are beaten at JLA and are not the regular season HL champion then how many more losses could we sustain and still receive an NIT at-large bid?
Last year the NIT "at-large" picks consisted of 10 Power 5 (& Big East) schools with an average RPI of 75.2, and 9 non-Power 5 schools with an average RPI of 57.7. Our current RPI is 63. So we'd need to stay in that ball park because basically only P5 schools can get into the NIT at-large with an RPI over 70.
I hate bracketology.
An article hot off the press (30 min. ago) about how the NCAA is looking for a composite formula to use to seed teams next year:
https://www.google.com/amp/www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/what-experts-who-met-with-ncaa-think-about-changes-to-tournament-selection-process/amp/?client=safari
Quote from: wh on January 24, 2017, 04:21:55 PMhttps://www.google.com/amp/www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/what-experts-who-met-with-ncaa-think-about-changes-to-tournament-selection-process/amp/?client=safari
Very interesting! Sounds like positive changes afoot, maybe as soon as 2018.
USA Today pegs Valpo as a 12 seed
http://www.gannett-cdn.com/usatoday/editorial/sports/ncaab/1-30-bracket.jpg
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2017/01/30/ncaa-tournament-bracketology-college-basketball-march-madness/97191580/
Right now Kyletology has us in Buffalo, N.Y.
#5 UCLA vs. #12 VERMONT
#4 CINCINNATI vs. #13 VALPARAISO
We need to move up about 15 more spots in RPI for us to really start moving up the seed lines. Right now Vermont is #52 in my rankings and Valpo is #66. Granted once we get to Vermont's spot we're talking boarderline at-large bid.
Quote from: Kyle321n on January 30, 2017, 01:33:34 PMRight now Kyletology has us in Buffalo, N.Y. #5 UCLA vs. #12 VERMONT #4 CINCINNATI vs. #13 VALPARAISO We need to move up about 15 more spots in RPI for us to really start moving up the seed lines. Right now Vermont is #52 in my rankings and Valpo is #66. Granted once we get to Vermont's spot we're talking boarderline at-large bid.
How can we improve our rankings? The HL offers zero opportunities. All HL RPI's are extremely weak.
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 30, 2017, 01:39:36 PM
How can we improve our rankings? The HL offers zero opportunities. All HL RPI's are extremely weak.
Win. Don't stop winning. Teams in front of us will lose which will cause them to drop. All we can do is control what's in front of us and that's to win the games we have.
LiveRPI currently has us at 40 if we win out in the regular season. I'd say a move of 16 spots despite our weak conference schedule is damn good.
NOT ON TOPIC
We need to get Vermont on the schedule next year... on the road. 94 miles to the home town of Mr. Walker north of the border.
We need to get Vermont on the schedule next year... on the road. 94 miles to the home town of Mr. Walker north of the border.
Hey don't forget Mr. Joseph too.
QuoteNOT ON TOPIC
We need to get Vermont on the schedule next year... on the road. 94 miles to the home town of Mr. Walker north of the border.
We'll be in the neighborhood because we are going to Rhode Island next year to complete the 2 for 1 scheduling with URI. Side Note bummer URI has been slipping (affecting our RPI and Resume booster).
I believe we are going to Santa Clara next season. Could be a great opportunity for the coaches to go recruiting and scouting in Cali next year. I can't remember the last player we recruited from California. Just something to possibly look forward to.
Quote from: VU2014 on January 30, 2017, 03:29:21 PMQuote (selected)
NOT ON TOPIC
We need to get Vermont on the schedule next year... on the road. 94 miles to the home town of Mr. Walker north of the border.
We'll be in the neighborhood because we are going to Rhode Island next year to complete the 2 for 1 scheduling with URI. Side Note bummer URI has been slipping (affecting our RPI and Resume booster).
Almost 400 miles from Montreal to URI. I'm thinking about the game Blackridge played for SC when he had all of those family members from Illinois in the ARC... just sayin'.
QuoteI'm thinking about the game Blackridge played for SC when he had all of those family members from Illinois in the ARC... just sayin'.
??? Please explain. Not familiar with the whole situation.
Quote from: VU2014 on January 30, 2017, 04:04:37 PM
QuoteI'm thinking about the game Blackridge played for SC when he had all of those family members from Illinois in the ARC... just sayin'.
??? Please explain. Not familiar with the whole situation.
The only reason we played Santa Clara was because their star player, Jared Brownridge, is from Aurora, IL.
QuoteThe only reason we played Santa Clara was because their star player, Jared Brownridge, is from Aurora, IL.
Gotcha. Thanks.
Sorry, Brownridge is right. The reason Georgia played Oakland in the ORena is that they have 2 Detroit players on their roster... Happens all the time.
I don't know if Tevonn and Max's families have made any games; might be a nice opportunity for that to happen as a thank you to those two.
Vermont's RPI is now 56, they are 8-0 in the America East; 22-14 last year finished RPI of 126. We have never played those Catamounts. (we haven't played the other catamount team either ... Western Carolina)
Quote from: Kyle321n on January 30, 2017, 01:33:34 PMWe need to move up about 15 more spots in RPI for us to really start moving up the seed lines. Right now Vermont is #52 in my rankings and Valpo is #66. Granted once we get to Vermont's spot we're talking boarderline at-large bid.
Looking at Bracketology RPI, Sagarin, KenPom, Kyletology BPI and their projections leaves me totally clueless as to our destiny. So I will just act like I am an expert and wing out some personal thoughts based on past NCAA and NIT observations.
Path #1-- No chance that this (or paths 2 or 3) happens but winning out and a HL Tournament championship would give us an 8 seed.
Path #2--One more road loss (GB, WSU, NKU or Oakland) and a Tournament championship gives us an 11 seed (slight chance for a 10).
Path #3-- Win out then lose HL championship game would put us in last 4 in or first one or two teams out.
Path #4--Tournament loss plus 1 more regular season loss. NIT 1 or 2 seed.
Path #5-- Tournament loss plus 2 more regular season losses. NIT 3 or 4 seed
Path #5--Tournament loss plus 3 more regular season losses. As the HL automatic qualifier we would likely be a NIT #5 seed. Without being the automatic qualifier we would maintain only a slight chance for NIT at-large inclusion.
Path #6-- Anything worse has us waiting till next year!
Fire Away!
Quote from: justducky on January 30, 2017, 07:12:52 PM
Quote from: Kyle321n on January 30, 2017, 01:33:34 PMWe need to move up about 15 more spots in RPI for us to really start moving up the seed lines. Right now Vermont is #52 in my rankings and Valpo is #66. Granted once we get to Vermont's spot we're talking boarderline at-large bid.
Looking at Bracketology RPI, Sagarin, KenPom, Kyletology BPI and their projections leaves me totally clueless as to our destiny. So I will just act like I am an expert and wing out some personal thoughts based on past NCAA and NIT observations.
Path #1-- No chance that this (or paths 2 or 3) happens but winning out and a HL Tournament championship would give us an 8 seed.
Path #2--One more road loss (GB, WSU, NKU or Oakland) and a Tournament championship gives us an 11 seed (slight chance for a 10).
Path #3-- Win out then lose HL championship game would put us in last 4 in or first one or two teams out.
Path #4--Tournament loss plus 1 more regular season loss. NIT 1 or 2 seed.
Path #5-- Tournament loss plus 2 more regular season losses. NIT 3 or 4 seed
Path #5--Tournament loss plus 3 more regular season losses. As the HL automatic qualifier we would likely be a NIT #5 seed. Without being the automatic qualifier we would maintain only a slight chance for NIT at-large inclusion.
Path #6-- Anything worse has us waiting till next year!
Fire Away!
Ok so I'll say that Path 1 would actually lead us to the conclusion of path 2.
Path 2 would probably get us an 11-12 seed.
Path 6 seems highly unlikely but injuries, suspensions, Oakland like slumps, etc are known to happen.
Here's what I'm thinking our likely outcomes are:
Win Out, Including Tournament: 11 Seed (5% likelihood)
Lose 1 road game, win tournament: 12-13 seed (depends on the opponent) (25% likelihood)
Lose 2-4 road games, win tournament: 14 seed (33% likelihood)
Win the HL Regular season, lose tournament: 2 seed in the NIT (33% likelihood)
Lose the HL Regular season, lose tournament: We're sitting at home. This team isn't taking a CIT or CBI invite. (<1% likelihood)
Latest USAToday Brackett has VU at #12 playing #5 BUTLER!
Lunardi has us as a 13 seed vs. Purdue up in Milwaukee (http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology)
Jerry Palm has us as a 13 seed vs. Wisconsin up in Milwaukee (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology)
Kyletology has us as a 14 seed vs. Arizona playing in Sacramento.
Other side of the bracket is 6. Xavier vs. 11. UNC-Wilmington.
Do any have us losing and put Green Bay in the bracket? Saturday really soured me on looking ahead.
I'm wondering if our players have been looking at those brackets. I got caught up in it myself.
Quote from: crusadermoe on February 06, 2017, 09:41:21 PM
Do any have us losing and put Green Bay in the bracket? Saturday really soured me on looking ahead.
I'm wondering if our players have been looking at those brackets. I got caught up in it myself.
No, but usually it's based on the regular season regular, so we're still in place to be the autobid. Rarely do they predict the conference tourneys
Quote from: Kyle321n on February 07, 2017, 08:25:30 AMNo, but usually it's based on the regular season regular, so we're still in place to be the autobid. Rarely do they predict the conference tourneys
Surely we'd still be the favorite. Just no longer a prohibitive favorite.
You guys want a rematch? How about #14 seed Valpo vs. #3 seed Florida St. in Orlando.
Also I'll reveal my top 16 seeds. Guess what, my bracket is literally 1 vs 16 and 2 vs 15 so on etc. I have no idea what the NCAA is thinking about basing theirs off location or whatever. I've included where their first round location would be, something the NCAA would never do.
1. Villanova, Buffalo, N.Y.
2. Gonzaga, Sacramento, Calif.
3. Baylor, Tulsa, Okla.
4. Kansas, Tulsa, Okla.
5. Louisville, Indianapolis
6. Florida, Orlando, Fla.
7. Kentucky, Indianapolis
8. North Carolina, Greenville, S.C.
9. Virginia, Greenville, S.C.
10. Oregon, Sacramento, Calif.
11. Arizona, Salt Lake City
12. Florida St., Orlando, Fla.
13. SMU, Salt Lake City
14. Duke, Buffalo, N.Y.
15. Purdue, Milwaukee
16. Cincinnati, Milwaukee
Looks like we are about where we were a few weeks ago on http://bracketmatrix.com/. Best of the 13 seeds.
http://www.rpiforecast.com/teams/Valparaiso.html likes our RPI to improve from its current ~75 to ~61. Even though they expect us to lose 2 of the last 5.
They make us slight dogs at Oakland. And altogether they think three of the four road games will be challenging.
They like us to climb back into the RPI top 50 if we win out the regular season.
And, of course, Seth Davis still thinks we're Almost Famous.
UT Arlington as a 12 seed and we feel back to a 14 seed... :crazy:
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/832260228334882818
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/832261613923291136
https://twitter.com/Valpo_Hoops/status/832278407224360960
https://twitter.com/Valpo_Hoops/status/832281382646906880
http://www.midmajormadness.com/2017/2/13/14603746/mid-major-madness-power-rankings-waction-new-mexico-state-csu-bakersfield-grand-canyon
Quote from: VU2014 on February 16, 2017, 11:26:52 AM
UT Arlington as a 12 seed and we feel back to a 14 seed... :crazy:
Their Strength of Schedule is ranked at 145 and ours is 193.
Their RPI is at 41 and ours is at 70.
Their KenPom is at 70 and ours is at 96.
Hell the Sun Belt is ranked the 13th conference and HL is ranked 17th.
The only thing I can find them where they are ranked ahead of us is WarrenNolan (36 vs. 48)
QuoteTheir Strength of Schedule is ranked at 145 and ours is 193.
Their RPI is at 41 and ours is at 70.
Their KenPom is at 70 and ours is at 96.
Hell the Sun Belt is ranked the 13th conference and HL is ranked 17th.
The only thing I can find them where they are ranked ahead of us is WarrenNolan (36 vs. 48)
It could be the Sun Belt is a much more competitive Conference compared to the Horizon League which has some bottom feeders dragging the Conference strength down.
UT-Arlington will be a trendy Cinderella pick this season. Experienced mid-major. Three seniors and two juniors in starting lineup. Think Valpo last year.
QuoteUT-Arlington will be a trendy Cinderella pick this season. Experienced mid-major. Three seniors and two juniors in starting lineup. Think Valpo last year.
I miss Vashil and Keith :(
What could have last year... Although that NIT run and home games were amazing and a lot of fun. Still I'll always wonder what could have been
I'm sure people will want to ignore this after the Oakland game, but Kyletology has us as a 14 seed vs. Duke in Greenville. Let me just state that this is the least favorable match up by location we've had this season. Let's win out, hope a couple single bid leagues put in a low RPI team and then we can move up to a 13 seed. No one on the 4 line scares me. (SMU, Purdue, Florida St. and Cincinnati). That said I don't want a Big 12 team. West Virginia looks super dangerous, especially against a turnover prone team like us
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Quote from: Kyle321n on February 20, 2017, 04:53:23 PM
I'm sure people will want to ignore this after the Oakland game, but Kyletology has us as a 14 seed vs. Duke in Greenville. Let me just state that this is the least favorable match up by location we've had this season. Let's win out, hope a couple single bid leagues put in a low RPI team and then we can move up to a 13 seed. No one on the 4 line scares me. (SMU, Purdue, Florida St. and Cincinnati). That said I don't want a Big 12 team. West Virginia looks super dangerous, especially against a turnover prone team like us
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We need CUSA, Colonial, Mountain West, Sun Belt, MAC, America East, Metro Atlantic and maybe Ivy and Ohio Valley to all go to someone less than currently in first. I think a 13 seed is likely, and a 12 seed is possible, but not likely.
I would really hate to see Valpo face UCLA - they looked outstanding this weekend.
I, on the other hand, would be happy to play UCLA... because there's only one way for that to happen!
I like to look at bracketmatrix.com...we were at the 12/13 line until the last two losses...now we are on the 13/14 line...wish we could move up to an 11 and face St. Mary's again hahaha...not gonna happen but a 12 seed is not out of the question!
Need to win the conference tournament before having these discussions in earnest.
Quote from: vu84v2 on February 21, 2017, 12:39:41 PM
Need to win the conference tournament before having these discussions in earnest.
Much like making plans for your political office before winning the election.
Joe Lunardi has Valpo as a 14 seed playing Butler (3 seed) in the first round in Milwaukee.
I don't like being a 14 seed but that would be a fun match up playing Butler and it would be in Milwaukee so the travel wouldn't be hard on fans. I'm hoping if we make it to the big dance that we play somewhere relatively close by like Milwaukee.
https://twitter.com/ESPNPR/status/834781951944949760
Wow, if we are a #14 seed with a top 100 rpi, I suspect any other HL team would be a 15 or possibly 16 seed?
USAToday bracket today has us at #13 vs. #4 Kentucky in MKE.
QuoteWow, if we are a #14 seed with a top 100 rpi, I suspect any other HL team would be a 15 or possibly 16 seed?
Yeah I think we should be a #13 seed if we make it, but I suspect the none competitive games vs Oakland where we just looked flat and the that terrible game vs Green Bay where they ran us out of the building. Those games have an impact on seeding optics.
Well we definitely can't play Kentucky in that first game :crazy:
Quote from: M on February 23, 2017, 02:02:12 PM
Well we definitely can't play Kentucky in that first game :crazy:
Correct. CBS Sports (Palm) and NBC Sports both showing a 4-13 matchup between Butler and Valpo in Milwaukee.
Here's my way-too-early bracket thoughts:
Unless Louisville or Kentucky stumble, they'll both end up in Indy. ND/Purdue/Wisky/Butler are popular choices for 4 or 5 seeds, playing in Milwaukee. If Valpo ends up as a 12 or 13 seed, odds are they'll be in Milwaukee too. :twocents:
I've been noticing Oakland fans getting really annoyed that they aren't getting enough national pub from the national media guys lately.
https://twitter.com/Austinthedunker/status/835549383135543297
https://twitter.com/ESPNLunardi/status/835557388019253248
Excellent reply by Lunardi, and what a stupid question by the Oakland fan...
We just gotta do the damm thing and let the chips fall where they will. Have to make sure we take care of business today. The 12/13/14 spots depend on how many of the smaller conferences have upsets in their tourneys. Hopefully we will have a week to debate our position.
The Bracketology released today has Oakland in as a 15 seed playing Kentucky.
https://twitter.com/ESPNPR/status/836241648426303488
15 seed is a joke for either Oakland or Valpo. If it were NKU you could even make a decent case for 14 seed.
Quote from: valpolaw on February 27, 2017, 11:22:07 AM
The Bracketology released today has Oakland in as a 15 seed playing Kentucky.
15 seed vs UK? If this happens, chalk up another one-and-done NCAA for the Horizon. Another reason LeCrone should be doing everything possible to have the league's best team (Valpo) representing the league.
Also worth acknowledging that Bryce has Vandy as the last team in as a part of the newest Lunardi Bracketology. Easy to see why you'd want to coach at a power conference school, 16-13 and a legitimate shot at the tourney. Two big games this week with Kentucky and Florida. I know I'll be watching and cheering him on.
I have to think that Oakland and Valpo would be a 14, while NKU would be a 15.
It's a little ridiculous that they have Oakland that low. There can't be just a few teams that make the tournament that are worse than Oakland (or us or NKU or GB).
I'm not surprised Oakland is that low. Oakland's only decent wins are Georgia and Valpo. What am I missing?
Valpo or Oakland will be a 14 seed and no higher.
Two double-digit wins over a Top 75 team (Valpo) is better than what a lot of teams in front of them have done, and that doesn't include the win over Georgia (currently a bubble team). Also went to the wire with Nevada (23-6 and 1st place in the Mountain West), 2-0 vs. the MAC, dominated likely Big West champ.
Don't kid yourself. Oakland would RUN any team currently on the 14 line, and everyone except maybe Vermont on the 13 line. Grizz are good.
Georgia isn't good. Valpo arguably had two of their worst games against Oakland, and Tevonn got ejected on a completely bogus call. I'm still waiting to hear what you find so appealing about Oakland. Other than beating Valpo twice, I'm not sure what you see.
http://bracketmatrix.com/
This website averages the seeds of the various projected brackets. It has valpo averaged as a 13.37 seed and Oakland averaged as a 14.8 seed.
Quote from: bigmosmithfan1 on February 27, 2017, 03:05:14 PM
Two double-digit wins over a Top 75 team (Valpo) is better than what a lot of teams in front of them have done, and that doesn't include the win over Georgia (currently a bubble team). Also went to the wire with Nevada (23-6 and 1st place in the Mountain West), 2-0 vs. the MAC, dominated likely Big West champ.
Don't kid yourself. Oakland would RUN any team currently on the 14 line, and everyone except maybe Vermont on the 13 line. Grizz are good.
They also lost to Detroit and Cleveland State at home. Detroit had ONE out of conference win. The selection committee pretty much goes by geography and RPI when it comes to the auto-bids and Oakland is still above 100.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18807397/tickets-sales-drive-tourney-seeding
Mick Cronin: Ticket sales drive NCAA tourney seeding
By: C.L. Brown (ESPN Staff Writer)
Cincinnati coach Mick Cronin said ticket sales, not wins or losses, are primarily behind how teams get seeded in the NCAA tournament.
Joe Lunardi predicts in his latest Bracketology that Cincinnati (25-4) will be a No. 5 seed and headed to Buffalo for first- and second-round games. The Bearcats are unlikely to be seeded high enough to make a relatively short trip to a host site in Indianapolis.
"I'm a firm believer in that the NCAA tournament committee and everything is so financially driven that no matter what is said on that [Selection] Sunday, they're trying to sell tickets," Cronin said while speaking to a group of local reporters on Wednesday.
"You may get moved on a seed line. And it may not be us, but teams could get moved around from 4 to a 5 or a 8-9 to a 7-10 to get that pod to sell more tickets. Now nobody will admit that, because it's all about the student-athletes -- supposedly. But it's a business. If it wasn't a business we'd be able to have a bus trip in the conference we played in."
The NCAA went to a pod system in 2002 that allows the top four seeds to play at the closest site possible, regardless of the seed's tournament region.
Not everyone would agree with Cronin that ticket sales drive seeding. The bulk of the NCAA windfall, which is shared with conferences, comes from television deals, not ticket sales. The March Madness TV deal brings in an average of $785 million per year through 2024 and $1.1 billion annually for the eight years after that.
Cronin, however, doesn't want people to think that the seeding process is devoid of outside influences.
"Anybody who doesn't think this is a business is wrong, living in a fantasy land," Cronin said. "That's why I tell you, you can sit there and think, 'Well, we won this game, we'll move up.' You can move up, but then you can end up playing a tougher team [because] the seedings were wrong. You really just have to worry about coaching your team. The rest is a waste of time."
Green Bay has now taken over the 15 seed on ESPN taking on Louisville in Indy.
Valpo projected as a 7 seed in the NIT Oakland an 8.
Will be interesting if NKU would get a CBI or CIT invite if they don't win it all or if Green Bay or Wright St would.
Any chance if Valpo is left out of the NIT they try the Vegas 16? They've already done the CIT/CBI thing.
We all know how much Valpo likes neutral site games ;)
I will be shocked if they get an NIT invite, but I do think whatever tournament they get an invite to they should take.
I also think NKU, Green Bay and Wright State should get invites to the post season.
USAToday -- NKU #15 vs Florida State in the East.
Cbssports has gb a 15 against Kentucky that would be a bloodbath
Surprised usatoday made a prediction as usually for bracketology they are lazy and just put the highest remaining seed as the representative
I like Nku too but if they face gb I think you gotta go with their experience
Quote from: M on March 05, 2017, 10:54:05 AMI will be shocked if they get an NIT invite, but I do think whatever tournament they get an invite to they should take.
The cat is now out of the bag and any coach with half a brain now knows how to defend what is left of this team.
Consider our remaining weapons-------- #1 We play 4 undersized guards. 6'2" or less
#2 We play 2 oversized centers with 8' max shooting ranges.
#3 We play 3 forwards only 1 of which can reliably drive or shoot from distance. And that all folks!
If we get an NIT bid they will be ignoring our March team to look only at our OOC record.
Could Matt reformulate a winning attack? Well against a man defense he might try a double low post (Jay and Derrik) with Shane back at the point. That would be a scrapping of our offensive scheme to test the waters of the unknown. Even if it worked any good coach would quickly switch to zone taking us back to square one. BUT next year as our bigs develop Matt should do some experimenting. We have 2 of the highest potential HL centers ever and we will need to create ways to place both on the floor simultaneously. 40 total minutes played will not be enough. A combined 48 to 52 minute target would be better.
I thought it was interesting that in the last few minutes Tevonn was posting up way down low.
What happened to Jay's post up and shallow hook in the last few games?
They couldn't get the ball to Jay due to the defense being played. I was surprised by how bad we looked considering how not bad we looked the previous two games.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology/_/iteration/278
first 2018 backetology. Has Oakland as a 14 seed