St. Joe (IN)62
Valpo 90
St. Joe (IN) 54
Hillsdale (MI) 69
Lake Superior State 82
St. Joe (IN) 65
St. Joe (IN) 65
Univ of Mary 64
St. Joe (IN) 52
St. Cloud State 71
Southern (New Orleans) 94
Robert Morris (Chi) 92
Evangel 95
Robert Morris (Chi) 99 OT
Robert Morris (Chi) 64
Valpo 92
Robert Morris (Chi) 75
CSU-San Marcos 91
Robert Morris (Chi) 92
Vanguard 97 OT
Langston 64
Robert Morris (Chi) 73
Robert Morris (Chi) 85
Huntington 89
Robert Morris (Chi) 89
Grace College 93
Robert Morris (Chi) 90
Trinity International 76
IU-SE-New Albany 93
Robert Morris (Chi) 85
Georgia Southern 54
Valpo 85
Georgia Southern 56
Charlotte 66
Webber International 64
Georgia Southern 87
Georgia Southern 62
Kennesaw State 46
Georgia Southern 53
Maryland 70
Since results effect RPI so much I thought using a Butler board idea would be smart, posting opponents scores. I included St. Joe and Robert Morris just for comparison sake.
Northern Illinois 64
Nebraska-Omaha 77
Northern Illinois 46
Valpo 69
Judson 54
Northern Illinois 72
Loyola (IL) 53
Northern Illinois 46
Southern 55
Nebraska 66
Valpo 48
Nebraska 50
Nebraska-Omaha 62
Nebraska 75
Tulane 57
Nebraska 61
Kent 74
Nebraska 60
Drexel 62
Kent 66 OT
Temple 80
Kent 66
Chicago State 63
Kent 92
Valpo 88
Kent 83 OT
Bethune-Cookman 68
Kent 69
Kent 74
Nebraska 60
Chicago State 67
Green Bay 72
CCD 65
Chicago State 81
Chicago State 63
Kent 92
Chicago State 51
Tulane 79
Chicago State 46
Valpo 67
Nebraska-Omaha 68
Chicago State 66
Chicago State 65
Notre Dame 92
Bethune-Cookman 68
Kent 69
Bethune-Cookman 55
St. Bonaventure 65
Bethune-Cookman 55
Tulane 65
Bethune-Cookman 93
Nebraska-Omaha 81
Bethune-Cookman 64
Valpo 77
S.Carolina-Upstate 59
Saint Louis 76
Santa Clara 74
Saint Louis 62
Saint Louis 70
Texas A&M 49
Saint Louis 59
Kansas 73
Southern Illinois-C 51
Saint Louis 61
Fort Wayne 50
Auburn 61
Rochester 56
Fort Wayne 73
Fort Wayne 97
Texas-Pan American 94
Fort Wayne 47
Eastern Michigan 60
Fort Wayne 67
Eastern Illinois 68
Judson 22
Fort Wayne 92
Fort Wayne 70
Dartmouth 66
Davidson 81
New Mexico 86
Illinois-Chicago 59
New Mexico 66
George Mason 69
New Mexico 70
Connecticut 60
New Mexico 66
Idaho 58
New Mexico 73
Portland 54
New Mexico 69
Missouri Western 67
Missouri State 81
McKendree 54
Missouri State 82
Philander Smith 61
Missouri State 89
San Diego State 60
Missouri State 44
Jacksonville 64
Missouri State 58
Malone 49
Missouri State 82
South Carolina 74
Missouri State 67
Missouri State 61
Southern Methodist 62
Albion 62
Oakland 96
Oakland 79
Louisiana-Lafayette 90
Oakland 80
Boise State 88
Oakland 62
Pittsburgh 72 OT
Oakland 71
Texas Southern 69
Oakland 52
Michigan State 70
Oakland 50
Tennessee 77
Utah Valley 54
IUPUI 67
IUPUI 54
Michigan 91
Bowling Green State 66
IUPUI 80
Bradley 79
IUPUI 72
North Texas 80
IUPUI 66
Lamar 86
IUPUI 82
IU-E Richmond 54
IUPUI 87
Indiana-Kokomo 66
Purdue Cal 77
Madonna 91
Purdue Cal 76
Purdue Cal 63
Trinity Christian 77
Marygrove 62
Purdue Cal 81
Judson 79
Purdue Cal 77
Purdue Cal 83
Illinois Tech 47
Purdue Cal 64
Calumet-St.Joe 55
Purdue Cal 60
Olivet (MI) 69
Murray State 79
Auburn 59
Murray State 72
St. John's 67
Murray State 74
Colorado 81
Old Dominion 72
Murray State 79
Murray State 88
Lipscomb 79
Horizon League teams' results are on the HL website http://horizonleague.org/ (http://horizonleague.org/)
Click on "Men's Sports" then click "Basketball" then click on "View All Results" then you can page back to the beginning of the year.
I will post HL results for future games.
Missouri State lost to Jacksonville by that score, not a W
Thank you. Correction made.
You keep checking because I know I'm not perfect in anyway.
Thanks for sharing this list of scores. It helps point out how much more challenging December will be since we've beaten only only team with a winning record to date (and lost to the only other opponent with a winning record). We'll either have some momentum heading into the conference schedule or know where we need to improve.
11/27/12
Nebraska 79
Wake Forest 63
Detroit 65
Bowling Green 70
North Florida 71
Bethune-Cookman 65
UIC 58
Northern Illinois 46
11/28/12 games-all times EST
Elon at Georgia Southern 7:00 p.m.
Cleveland State at Ball State 7:00 p.m.
Fort Wayne at Navy 7:00 p.m.
Kent at Youngstown State 7:05 p.m.
Tennessee Tech at Loyola (IL) 8:00 p.m.
Mercer at New Mexico 9:00 p.m.
Saint Louis at Washington 12:00 midnight
Dang, that BCU loss is not a good sign for their MEAC season. Still in shock that Detroit is this bad...
I am not overly surprised by Detroit because if you look at their team they literally have no bench players who make contributions. They have turned into the Ray McCallum show with Anderson and Minnerath as supporting actors. Besides that there isn't too much to be worried about on that squad
Kent State tied at Youngstown State 68-68, 1m18 to play.
http://www.horizonleague.org/live/6880 (http://www.horizonleague.org/live/6880)
Kent wins in OT but CSU won. Not sure who we wanted to win the Kent game. YSU for conference rankings or Kent for our RPI. I suppose it's a wash when considering that we play YSU twice going forward.
Quote from: vu72 on November 28, 2012, 09:19:59 PM
Kent wins in OT but CSU won. Not sure who we wanted to win the Kent game. YSU for conference rankings or Kent for our RPI. I suppose it's a wash when considering that we play YSU twice going forward.
I could be wrong, but it seems that a YSU win would have actually helped more since you play them twice. But I'll defer to the guys who follow RPI closer than I do.
11/28/12
Elon 55
Georgia Southern 50
Cleveland State 69
Ball State 63
Fort Wayne 49
Navy 54
Kent 85
Youngstown State 78 OT
Tenn Tech 78
Loyola (IL) 81
Mercer 58
New Mexico 76
Saint Louis 61
Washington 66
11/29/12 all times EST
IUPUI at Kansas City 8:05 p.m.
Trinity (IL) at Chicago State 8:05 p.m.
The Chicago State game against Trinity won't make an RPI difference because Trinity isn't a D-I program. Sure, it's great to follow what our opponents are doing, but maybe less focus on the non-D-I games.
Quote from: valporun on November 29, 2012, 01:31:10 PM
The Chicago State game against Trinity won't make an RPI difference because Trinity isn't a D-I program. Sure, it's great to follow what our opponents are doing, but maybe less focus on the non-D-I games.
I'll just put the following in:
Don't read below if you're not interested in games with teams under the Div-I leveldoes that work? Can't miss that.
Leaving them out is easier.
IUPUI 65
Kansas City 79
**Trinity (IL) 61
**Chicago State 87
**games in smaller print size do not affect Valpo's RPI
12/1/12 Saturday - all times EST
Georgia Southern at Samford 1:00 p.m.
Illinois-Chicago at Northwestern 2:00 p.m.
Youngstown State at Bowling Green 2:00 p.m.
Toledo at Cleveland State 2:00 p.m.
Oakland at Western Michigan 2:00 p.m.
Morehead State at Wright State 2:00 p.m.
New Mexico at Indiana State 2:05 p.m.
Chicago State at Southern Illinois-E 3:00 p.m.
Furman at Loyola (IL) 3:00 p.m.
Green Bay at Virginia 4:00 p.m.
Oral Roberts at Missouri State 5:35 p.m.
Bethune-Cookman at Florida A&M 6:00 p.m.
Princeton at Kent 7:00 p.m.
Miami (OH) at Fort Wayne 7:00 p.m.
Detroit at Pittsburgh 7:00 p.m.
IUPUI at South Dakota 8:00 p.m.
Milwaukee at Northern Iowa 8:00 p.m.
Quote from: valporun on November 29, 2012, 01:31:10 PMmaybe less focus on the non-D-I games.
Actually it will take more focus if you know what I mean. ;)
You are missing Detroit at Pittsburg on your Saturday game list.
Quote from: HC on November 30, 2012, 11:10:04 AM
You are missing Detroit at Pittsburg on your Saturday game list.
Thank you. Correction made.
Quote from: bbtds on November 29, 2012, 01:49:48 AMFort Wayne 49
Navy 54
Just a little footnote to this score so people don't think that IPFW will be a pushover. Frank Gaines and his 20+ point average was suspended for this game. With Gaines in the lineup I would have expected IPFW to win this game. He will be in the lineup against VU.
Quote from: FWalum on November 30, 2012, 01:15:32 PM
Quote from: bbtds on November 29, 2012, 01:49:48 AMFort Wayne 49
Navy 54
Just a little footnote to this score so people don't think that IPFW will be a pushover. Frank Gaines and his 20+ point average was suspended for this game. With Gaines in the lineup I would have expected IPFW to win this game. He will be in the lineup against VU.
Of course IUPUI loses to Kansas City and FW loses to Navy after I proclaim them better than 50% of our opponents. That was actually because many of our opponents keep losing.
12/1/12 Saturday - all times EST
Georgia Southern 48
Samford 57
Ill-Chicago 50
Northwestern 44
Youngstown State 58
Bowling Green 49
Toledo 73
Cleveland State 78
Oakland 72
Western Michigan 76
Morehead State 57
Wright State 66
New Mexico 77
Indiana State 68
Furman 50
Loyola (IL) 77
Chicago State 57
Southern Illinois-E 71
Green Bay 51
Virginia 67
Oral Roberts 72
Missouri State 52
Bethune-Cookman 67
Florida A&M 75
Princeton 62
Kent 50
Miami (OH) 56
Fort Wayne 57
Detroit 61
Pittsburgh 74
Northern Illinois 43
Dayton 60
IUPUI 68
South Dakota 88
Milwaukee 61
Northern Iowa 72
12/2/12 Sunday - all times EST
Valpo at Saint Louis 4:30 p.m.
Double, triple, and quadruple yikes with Missouri State losing by 20 to the hated ORU, Oakland by 4 to Western Michigan, and IUPUI by 20 to South Dakota...
12/2/12 Sunday
Valpo 49
Saint Louis 63
12/3/12 Monday - all times EST
Wright State at Bowling Green 7:00 p.m.
Stetson at Bethune-Cookman 7:00 p.m.
Southern California at Nebraska 8:00 p.m.
Nebraska is one team making Valpo look better. At half they lead USC 33-25 on BTN. Ray Gallegos is hot tonight with 3 of 5 threes. His catch and shoot has been terrific for the Huskers.
Bethune-Cookman with a Div. I win tonight.
12/3/12 Monday
Stetson 63
Bethune-Cookman 86
Wright State 41
Bowling Green 54
Southern California 51
Nebraska 63
12/4/12 Tuesday - all times EST
Kent at Bucknell 7:00 p.m.
Bethel (TN) at Murray State 8:00 p.m.
Quote from: bbtds on December 03, 2012, 09:01:27 PMWright State 41
Bowling Green 54
Again?! Now they're 4-4. RPI has climbed to a lofty 305. Their two D1 wins? Wright State and Detroit. They finish the season 2-2 against the Horizon League. There's always the Bracketbuster, I suppose.
12/4/12 Tuesday
Kent 60
Bucknell 76
Bethel TENN 54
Murray State 76
12/5/12 Wednesday - all times EST
IUPUI at Butler 7:00 p.m.
Toledo at Detroit 7:00 p.m.
North Texas at Saint Louis 8:00 p.m.
Buffalo at Milwaukee 8:00 p.m.
Southern Illinois-E at Northern Illinois 8:00 p.m.
Missouri State at Tulsa 8:05 p.m.
DePaul at Chicago State 8:05 p.m.
Fort Wayne at Valpo 8:05 p.m.
Southern California at New Mexico 10:00 p.m.
Roosevelt at UI-Chicago 8:00 p.m.
IUPUI 55
Butler 87
Toledo 73
Detroit 79
North Texas 63
Saint Louis 67
Buffalo 72
Milwaukee 52
Southern Illinois-E 54
Northern Illinois 65
Missouri State 42
Tulsa 61
DePaul 74
Chicago State 64
Fort Wayne 52
Valpo 63
Southern California 67
New Mexico 75
Roosevelt 43
UI-Chicago 81
12/6/12 Thursday - all times EST
Creighton at Nebraska 8:00 p.m.
Green Bay at Tennessee Tech 8:30 p.m.
Rochester at Oakland 7:00 p.m.
Geneva at Youngstown State 7:05 p.m.
Quote from: bbtds on December 05, 2012, 09:49:21 PMCreighton at Nebraska 8:00 p.m.
Man - did they have a big budget crunch this year? Funny to see them scheduling so many decent mid-major teams. Creighton should be favored in this one, perhaps significantly so.
(Yeah, looks like they are 7-10 point favorites.)
A pretty clever comment from a frustrated Milw fan after losing by 20 at home to a 2-win Buffalo team:
What's remarkable is that we have such an apathetic fanbase that they can't even work up the energy to boo
:)
12/6/12 Thursday
Creighton 64
Nebraska 42
Green Bay 68
Tennessee Tech 74
Rochester 77
Oakland 88
Geneva 50
Youngstown State 93
12/7/12 Friday - all times EST
Northern Illinois at Milwaukee 8:00 p.m.
12/7/12 Friday
Northern Illinois 73 OT
Milwaukee 80
12/8/12 Saturday - all times EST
Cleveland State at North Carolina State 1:00 p.m.
Loyola (IL) at Michigan State 2:00 p.m.
Oakland at Ohio 2:00 p.m.
Murray State at Evansville 2:05 p.m.
Alabama State at Chicago State 3:05 p.m.
Missouri State at Oklahoma State 4:00 p.m.
Colorado State at UI-Chicago 4:00 p.m.
IUPUI at Western Kentucky 4:00 p.m.
Virginia Military at Wright State 7:00 p.m.
Fort Wayne at Drake 8:05 p.m.
Valpo at New Mexico 9:00 p.m.
Rochester at Detroit 2:00 p.m.
Webber International at Bethune-Cookman 4:00 p.m.
Brewton Parker at Georgia Southern 7:00 p.m.
Hiram at Youngstown State 7:00 p.m.
Quote from: bbtds on December 08, 2012, 02:46:31 AMorthern Illinois 73
Milwaukee 80
And that in OT. So, good that Milwaukee pulled it out, but they let Niu get closer than any of the other (3?) HL teams have.
UIC knocks off the Rams of Colorado State 64-55 at the Pavillon. UIC is 8-1. Colorado State was 6-1 going into the game. The Rams had beaten the Pac-12 Washington Huskies, who beat Saint Louis.
Nice to play at home, of course. But, this should move them up the Midmajor Top 25, for sure. A great win.
12/8/12 Saturday
Cleveland State 63
North Carolina State 80
Loyola (IL) 61
Michigan State 73
Oakland 61
Ohio 78
Murray State 82
Evansville 70
Alabama State 54
Chicago State 67
Missouri State 42
Oklahoma State 62
Colorado State 55
UI-Chicago 64
IUPUI 57
Western Kentucky 77
Virginia Military 59
Wright State 92
Fort Wayne 54
Drake 74
Valpo 52
New Mexico 65
Rochester 67
Detroit 102
Webber International 72
Bethune-Cookman 85
Brewton Parker 56
Georgia Southern 79
Hiram 44
Youngstown State 71
12/12/12 Wednesday - all times EST
Bethune-Cookman at Central Florida 7:00 p.m.
Milwaukee at Fairfield 7:00 p.m.
Green Bay at Wisconsin 9:00 p.m.
Quote from: bbtds on December 08, 2012, 10:40:43 PMMilwaukee at Fairfield 7:00 p.m.
This one's not actually until Wednesday. Milwaukee plays at DePaul today, 5:00 PM EST.
The Green Bay game's... also Wednesday. Bethune Cookman too.
12/9/12 Sunday
Milwaukee. 50
DePaul. 84
Kent. 55
Xavier. 62
12/10/12 Monday
Alabama State. 68
Detroit. 81
12/11/12 Tuesday - all times EST
Indiana U-Northwest at IUPUI 7:00 p.m.
PS: sorry about the mistakes. I had prepared all the schedules ahead of time and pulled up the Wednesday games by error.
Quote from: bbtds on December 10, 2012, 11:46:51 PM
PS: sorry about the mistakes. I had prepared all the schedules ahead of time and pulled up the Wednesday games by error.
bbtds - I think this is the first time we've had an "Opponents' Scoreboard" thread. It's a nice addition. Thanks for taking the time to start and update it.
Quote from: wh on December 11, 2012, 12:23:22 AM
Quote from: bbtds on December 10, 2012, 11:46:51 PM
PS: sorry about the mistakes. I had prepared all the schedules ahead of time and pulled up the Wednesday games by error.
bbtds - I think this is the first time we've had an "Opponents' Scoreboard" thread. It's a nice addition. Thanks for taking the time to start and update it.
:clap: :clap:
IUPUI was down at halftime to Indiana-Northwest. They ended up having a huge second half in order to beat the NAIA school.
12/11/12 Tuesday
IU-Northwest. 59
IUPUI. 65
12/12/12 Wednesday - all times EST
Bethune-Cookman at Central Florida 7:00 p.m.
Green Bay at Wisconsin 9:00 p.m.
Milwaukee at Fairfield 7:00 p.m.
12/12/12 Wednesday
Bethune-Cookman. 62
Central Florida. 72
Milwaukee. 46
Fairfield. 62
Green Bay. 54
Wisconsin. 65
fairfield? ouch, milwaukee...
12/15/12 Saturday – all times EST
Akron at Detroit 12:00 p.m.
Eastern Michigan at UI-Chicago 2:00 p.m.
Cleveland State at St. Bonaventure 2:00 p.m.
Wright State at Hofstra 2:00 p.m.
Georgia Southern at Virginia Tech 2:00 p.m.
Nebraska at Oregon 4:30 p.m.
New Mexico State at New Mexico 6:00 p.m.
Indiana State at IUPUI 7:00 p.m.
Bethune-Cookman at Pittsburgh 7:00 p.m.
Tennessee-Martin at Saint Louis 8:00 p.m.
Tennessee Tech at Milwaukee 8:00 p.m.
Mississippi State at Loyola (IL) 8:00 p.m.
Southern Illinois-C at Green Bay 8:00 p.m.
Valpo at Missouri State 8:05 p.m.
12/15/12 Saturday
Akron 73
Detroit 80
Eastern Michigan 48
UI-Chicago 73
Cleveland State 53
St. Bonaventure 87
Wright State 63
Hofstra 57
Georgia Southern 78
Virginia Tech 73
Nebraska 38
Oregon 60
New Mexico State 58
New Mexico 73
Indiana State 75
IUPUI 61
Bethune-Cookman 40
Pittsburgh 89
Tennessee-Martin 51
Saint Louis 73
Tennessee Tech 69
Milwaukee 58
Mississippi State 51
Loyola (IL) 59
Southern Illinois-C 72
Green Bay 70
Valpo 62
Missouri State 54
12/16/12 Sunday - all times EST
Western Kentucky at Murray State 3:00 p.m.
Northern Illinois at DePaul 5:00 p.m.
Chicago State at Oregon State 7:00 p.m.
ga southern over v tech? that's gotta be a nice win. as is loyola's win over miss st.
I think Georgia Southern's win was the bigger surprise than the Loyola win over Mississippi St. The Bulldogs have a new coach this year, so that played well in Loyola's case tonight.
That was a big win for Ga Southern. Va Tech had beaten Okla. State, Iowa, Rhode Island and VMI. They had lost to West Virginia by 1 the Saturday before and that was the Hokies only loss until Ga Southern.
The other thing about Mississippi State...they have three scholarship athletes out with injuries, two with ACL tears, one with a wrist injury who is a leading scorer. Only having 8 players available hurts the Bulldogs in the long run of the season, and Loyola was able to take advantage of the short bench last night.
Sunday 12/16/12
Western Kentucky 70
Murray State 75
Northern Illinois 64
DePaul 69
Chicago State 77
Oregon State 87
Monday 12/17/12 - all times EST
Detroit at Syracuse 7:00 p.m.
Fort Wayne at Notre Dame 7:00 p.m.
Valpo at Oakland 7:00 p.m.
Georgia Southern at Bradley 8:00 p.m.
Florida Christian at Bethune-Cookman 7:00 p.m.
12/17/12 Monday
Detroit 68
Syracuse 72
Fort Wayne 62
Notre Dame 74
Valpo 68
Oakland 70
Georgia Southern 43
Bradley 62
Florida Christian 51
Bethune-Cookman 102
12/18/12 Tuesday - all times EST
Youngstown State at South Florida 7:00 p.m.
Missouri State at Alabama A&M 8:00 p.m.
UI-Chicago at Western Illinois 8:00 p.m.
Jacksonville State at Nebraska 9:00 p.m.
12/18/12 Tuesday
Youngstown State 54
South Florida 72
Missouri State 47
Alabama A&M 59
UI-Chicago 54
Western Illinois 70
Jacksonville State 55
Nebraska 59
12/19/12 Wednesday - all times EST
Detroit at Alcorn State 3:00 p.m.
Eastern Illinois at Saint Louis 8:00 p.m.
Chicago State at Rice 8:00 p.m.
Marquette at Green Bay 8:00 p.m.
Miami (OH) at Wright State 8:00 p.m.
Murray State at Arkansas State 8:35 p.m.
Oakland at West Virginia 9:00 p.m.
Northern Illinois at Seattle 10:00 p.m.
Notre Dame College (OH) at Cleveland State 7:00 p.m.
Valpo isn't the only HL team getting bumped off by a Summit League team. Tuesday night UIC got walloped by the Leathernecks of Western Illinois in Macomb, 70-54. That is only the 2nd loss of the season for the Flames.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-western-illinois-ends-uics-win-streak-20121218,0,1643988.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-western-illinois-ends-uics-win-streak-20121218,0,1643988.story)
UIC led 10-1 as Crittle scored six early points, and the Flames maintained a lead through the balance of the half even as Western Illinois slowly chipped away.
The Leathernecks trailed 27-25 at halftime but blitzed the Flames 23-7 in the opening 10:11 of the second half. That stretch, which included 12 unanswered points, gave Western Illinois a 48-34 lead.
The Flames got no closer than nine points the rest of the way.
Tuesday's game featured two of the nation's top defensive teams. Western Illinois entered the game fourth in scoring defense (51.1 points per game), while UIC was fifth (51.6 points).
Looks like the Flames are just as inconsistent as us! That is a bad loss as well
tx, I'm not sure that a UIC loss to WIU is "inconsistency". It's definitely an identity win for the Leathernecks and the Summit League now that the team most fans know about in that league having left it for a worse conference (ORU/Southland). Heck, I'll enjoy a 7-2 UIC Flames team at this time. When was the last time UIC was really worthy of talk, outside of conference play?
12/19/12 Wednesday
Detroit 74
Alcorn State 58
Eastern Illinois 45
Saint Louis 72
Chicago State 60
Rice 63
Marquette 47
Green Bay 49
Miami (OH) 59
Wright State 67
Murray State 61
Arkansas State 54
Oakland 71
West Virginia 76
Northern Illinois 48
Seattle 75
Notre Dame College (OH) 66
Cleveland State 77
12/20/12 Thursday - all times EST
St Francis (PA) at Kent 7:00 p.m.
IUPUI at Valpo 8:05 p.m.
Nice win for Green Bay tonight. They knock off the Golden Eagles of Marquette by 2 at the Resch Center in Ashwaubenon (you probably thought it was in Green Bay but it's actually in the suburb of Ashwaubenon near Lambeau Field-Lambeau sits just inside the city limit of Green Bay with many of it's parking lots are in Ashwaubenon).
UWGB wins thriller over Marquette
http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20121219/GPG020101/121219075/Men-s-basketball-UWGB-wins-thriller-over-Marquette?nclick_check=1 (http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20121219/GPG020101/121219075/Men-s-basketball-UWGB-wins-thriller-over-Marquette?nclick_check=1)
That shot that had been rolling off the rim for Alec Brown most of the season finally rolled in.
And those rebounds that had eluded him, this time he went after them hard.
it was the big shot and important rebounds by Brown that made the difference in the end.
The Phoenix's struggling 7-foot-1 junior got a jumper in the lane to bounce a couple of times on the rim and fall in with 2½ minutes left for what were essentially the game-winning points. What's more, he fought off Marquette's Davante Gardner and grabbed the game-clinching rebound with 1.5 seconds left after a missed 3-pointer by Marquette's Jake Thomas.
The sophomore guard (Keifer Sykes) scored a game-high 20 points, and sophomore forward Greg Mays added a season-high 11 points.
"It had to be the slowest game played in Division 1 this season," MU coach Buzz Williams said, "and that's probably the right approach to what coach Wardle is facing from a health standpoint." (only 8 healthy players)
"I kept telling them it was our tempo, keep it at that pace and I thought maybe we could pull it out in the end." Wardle said.
12/20/12 Thursday
St Francis (PA) 48
Kent 77
IUPUI 69
Valpo 89
12/21/12 Friday - all times EST
Youngstown State at Bethune-Cookman 7:00 p.m.
Kennesaw State at Fort Wayne 7:00 p.m.
12/21/12 Friday
Youngstown State 67
Bethune-Cookman 51
Kennesaw State 47
Fort Wayne 70
12/22/12 Saturday - all times EST
Murray State at Dayton 12:00 p.m.
UI-Chicago at Miami (OH) 1:30 p.m.
Oakland at Eastern Michigan 2:00 p.m.
Loyola (IL) at St. Peter's 2:00 p.m.
San Diego State at New Mexico 2:30 p.m.
Georgia Southern at Mississippi Valley State 3:00 p.m.
Loyola Marymount at Saint Louis 3:30 p.m.
Wright State at Cincinnati 4:00 p.m.
Chicago State at Houston 4:00 p.m.
Nebraska at Central Michigan 7:00 p.m.
Northern Illinois at Washington 7:00 p.m.
Arkansas State at Kent 7:00 p.m.
South Dakota at Green Bay 8:00 p.m.
Missouri State at New Mexico State 9:00 p.m.
Milwaukee at Wisconsin 9:15 p.m.
Purdue-Calumet at Valpo 2:35 p.m.
12/22/12 Saturday
Murray State 68
Dayton 77
UI-Chicago 70
Miami (OH) 82
Oakland 59
Eastern Michigan 57
Loyola (IL) 54
St Peter's 49
South Dakota State 70
New Mexico 65
Georgia Southern 63
Mississippi Valley State 52
Loyola Marymount 44
Saint Louis 65
Wright State 58
Cincinnati 68
Chicago State 57
Houston 79
Central Michigan 75
Nebraska 89
Northern Illinois 57
Washington 67
Arkansas State 69
Kent 73
South Dakota 55
Green Bay 72
Missouri State 51
New Mexico State 71
Milwaukee 53
Wisconsin 74
Purdue-Calumet 51
Valpo 79
12/23/12 Sunday - all times EST
Cleveland State at Akron 2:00 p.m.
IUPUI at Ball State 2:00 p.m.
12/23/12 Sunday
Cleveland State 57
Akron 87
IUPUI 77
Ball State 68
12/27/12 Thursday - all times EST
Fort Wayne at IUPUI 7:00 p.m.
Oakland at Western Illinois 8:00 p.m.
New Mexico at Cincinnati 9:00 p.m.
Holy crap, what is up with CSU to lose by 30 to Akron??
Quote from: valpotx on December 24, 2012, 03:24:33 AM
Holy crap, what is up with CSU to lose by 30 to Akron??
Here's what HC said about the 12/16/12 HL poll:
Quote from: HC on December 16, 2012, 11:01:09 PMHere is what I sent in to PantherU tonight.
UIC, Valpo, Detroit, YSU, Loyola, WSU, Green Bay, CSU, Milwaukee
I dropped CSU below GB mainly because of their injuries to key players.
Gary Waters Postgame at Akron (Dec. 23) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjPGDXSfPuA#)
By the time Valpo plays Cleve State Junior Lomomba's foot should be healed & Devon Long should be back too. Anton Grady is pretty much done for the season with a torn meniscus.
http://www.cleveland.com/sports/college/index.ssf/2012/12/cleveland_state_cant_hold_up_a.html (http://www.cleveland.com/sports/college/index.ssf/2012/12/cleveland_state_cant_hold_up_a.html)
even as CSU freshman Junior Lomomba, who is recovering from a broken foot, delivered a career-high 16 points.
With 6-9 Anton Grady (knee) sidelined along with 6-8, 260-pound junior Devon Long (suspension), CSU was left with 6-7 Marlin Mason as the starting post, with 6-9 Luda Ndaye, who is recovering from hip surgery and 6-8 freshman Aaron Scales, off the bench. That trio combined for six points, all by Ndaye.
But a difficult stretch is over, as alternating six-game suspensions for Ndaye and Long ended with Long missing the Akron game. When the Vikings take on Rio Grande on Friday and Kent State on Jan. 2, they will be as close to full strength as they will be all season.
"There were some secondary [NCAA] violations in the athletic department, which we uncovered and self-reported, an extra-benefits issue," said CSU Athletic Director John Parry. "No other basketball players were involved."
12/27/12 Thursday
Fort Wayne 74
IUPUI 88
Oakland 63
Western Illinois 73
New Mexico 55
Cincinnati 54
12/28/12 Friday - all times EST
Detroit at Temple 3:00 p.m. POSTPONED
Southern Illinois-E at Saint Louis 8:00 p.m.
Rio Grande at Cleveland State 7:00 p.m.
Detroit-Temple PPD (weather)
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121227/SPORTS0203/212270441/1004/sports/Detroit-Mercy-men-s-basketball-game-against-Temple-Friday-is-postponed (http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121227/SPORTS0203/212270441/1004/sports/Detroit-Mercy-men-s-basketball-game-against-Temple-Friday-is-postponed)
BIG win for UNM tonight, giving Cincy their first loss. That'll help a little :)
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on December 27, 2012, 09:55:54 PM
Detroit-Temple PPD (weather)
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121227/SPORTS0203/212270441/1004/sports/Detroit-Mercy-men-s-basketball-game-against-Temple-Friday-is-postponed (http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121227/SPORTS0203/212270441/1004/sports/Detroit-Mercy-men-s-basketball-game-against-Temple-Friday-is-postponed)
BIG win for UNM tonight, giving Cincy their first loss. That'll help a little :)
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I would say. Beating the #8 team on the road no less. Given everything, even miracle should say that a 13 point loss on the road to New Mexico isn't looking all that bad.
According to Twitter, Cincy ran Pacer but the shot rimmed out.
Same New Mexico team lost to South Dakota State in Albq. Go figure.
If So. Dak State played Cinci in Cinci are they big favorites? ;)
12/28/12 Friday
Southern Illinois-E 41
Saint Louis 68
Rio Grande 59
Cleveland State 79
12/29/12 Saturday - all times EST
Loyola (IL) at DePaul 2:00 p.m.
UI-Chicago at Toledo 2:00 p.m.
Oakland at IUPUI 3:00 p.m.
Valpo at Murray State 3:00 p.m.
Nicholls State at Nebraska 3:00 p.m.
Georgia State at Georgia Southern 3:00 p.m.
Massachusetts at Northern Illinois 4:00 p.m.
Chicago State at Ohio State 4:30 p.m.
Fort Wayne at Western Illinois 8:00 p.m.
Ohio Dominican at Milwaukee 1:00 p.m.
Marygrove at Youngstown State 2:05 p.m.
STLVUFAN--if you are referring to what Cincy ran at the end of the game, it was not anything close to Pacer. They ran an in bounds play from under their own basket, and it was designed to get the ball back to the inbounder, I think Kirkpatrick, he had his shot blocked and then a Cincy forward caught it and threw it to the basket where it went in, but time had already expired. New Mexico (and UCLA last night) both did a nice job in using their extra fouls before the bonus to slow down Cincy (and Missouri) when the game was tied or only a 1 point lead. By fouling in the backcourt, both defending teams were able to take time off the clock. UCLA almost screwed up when with the score tied, their defender roughly fouled Pressey and it should have been called an intentional (Pressey did sell it well and some might argue his flying mid-air nearly 180 was a flop).
12/29/12 Saturday
Loyola (IL) 69
DePaul 61
UI-Chicago 55
Toledo 74
Oakland 84
IUPUI 62
Valpo 66
Murray State 64
Nicholls State 59
Nebraska 68
Georgia State 64
Georgia Southern 68
Massachusetts 64
Northern Illinois 59
Chicago State 44
Ohio State 87
Fort Wayne 50
Western Illinois 62
Ohio Dominican 80
Milwaukee 95
Marygrove 52
Youngstown State 93
12/30/12 Sunday - all times EST
Canisius at Detroit 3:00 p.m.
Southern Illinois-C at Missouri State 6:30 p.m.
IL-Springfield at Green Bay 1:00 p.m.
Mt St Joseph at Wright State 2:00 p.m.
Fairmont State at Kent 7:00 p.m.
Quote from: valpo84 on December 29, 2012, 09:26:18 AM
STLVUFAN--if you are referring to what Cincy ran at the end of the game, it was not anything close to Pacer. They ran an in bounds play from under their own basket, and it was designed to get the ball back to the inbounder, I think Kirkpatrick, he had his shot blocked and then a Cincy forward caught it and threw it to the basket where it went in, but time had already expired. New Mexico (and UCLA last night) both did a nice job in using their extra fouls before the bonus to slow down Cincy (and Missouri) when the game was tied or only a 1 point lead. By fouling in the backcourt, both defending teams were able to take time off the clock. UCLA almost screwed up when with the score tied, their defender roughly fouled Pressey and it should have been called an intentional (Pressey did sell it well and some might argue his flying mid-air nearly 180 was a flop).
I have no idea whether it was at the end of the game or not, as I didn't see the game. Andy Glockner tweeted that Cincy ran the Valpo play, only this time the shot didn't go in. I assumed he knew what he was talking about, especially since I replied to him with the correct name of the play and he immediately retweeted it to his followers.
12/30/12 Sunday
Canisius 78
Detroit 83
Southern Illinois-C 59
Missouri State 70
IL-Springfield 43
Green Bay 84
Mt St Joseph 49
Wright State 58
Fairmont State 75
Kent 77
12/31/12 Monday - all times EST
Chicago State at Toledo 1:00 p.m.
New Mexico at Saint Louis 7:30 p.m.
Fairmont State Div. II barely misses against Kent losing 77-75 in Kent, OH.
12/31/12 Monday
Chicago State 58
Toledo 53
New Mexico 46
Saint Louis 60
1/1/13 Tuesday - all times EST
IUPUI at Maryland 3:00 p.m.
Chicago State beating Toledo helps NO ONE in our conference that played either Chicago St. or Toledo...UGH!!!
Quote from: valporun on December 31, 2012, 09:09:04 PM
Chicago State beating Toledo helps NO ONE in our conference that played either Chicago St. or Toledo...UGH!!!
Not sure how it works, but Toledo was ranked 135 in the Sagarins and beating them has got to help anyone ranked below them.
vu72, just wait until the MAC season starts, and Toledo becomes the next Loyola or UIC...
it's really too bad we played new mexico too. otherwise that slu game would have been a boost.
Assuming the NM-STL game is a wash for Valpo. Chicago St.'s victory over Toledo improved Valpo's RPI by 3 spots, moving from 117 to 114.
I guess if Valpo can win on the road against a name opponent and Chicago State can beat Toledo then IUPUI can beat Maryland. The Jags are up 19-9 on the Terps with about 12 minutes to go in 1st half.
Sorry, 04.
Quote from: bbtds on January 01, 2013, 02:18:38 PM
I guess if Valpo can win on the road against a name opponent and Chicago State can beat Toledo then IUPUI can beat Maryland. The Jags are up 19-9 on the Terps with about 12 minutes to go in 1st half.
Sorry, 04.
It's 19-18 now, I'm not too concerned :P
1/1/13 Tuesday
IUPUI 63
Maryland 81
1/2/13 Wednesday - all times EST
Kent at Cleveland State 6:00 p.m.
Nebraska at Ohio State 6:30 p.m.
Navy at Fort Wayne 7:00 p.m.
Georgia Southern at Alabama-Birmingham 8:00 p.m.
Youngstown State at UI-Chicago 8:00 p.m.
Missouri State at Evansville 8:05 p.m.
Loyola (IL) at Valpo 8:05 p.m.
1/2/13 Wednesday
Kent 72
Cleveland State 55
Nebraska 44
Ohio State 70
Navy 63
Fort Wayne 68
Georgia Southern 61
Alabama-Birmingham 65
Youngstown State 60
UI-Chicago 65
Missouri State 59
Evansville 62
Loyola (IL) 63
Valpo 54
1/3/13 Thursday - all times EST
Milwaukee at Detroit 7:00 p.m.
Nebraska-Omaha at Oakland 7:00 p.m.
Green Bay at Wright State 7:00 p.m.
Murray State at Tennessee-Martin 8:00 p.m.
Chicago State at Nevada-Las Vegas 10:00 p.m.
1/3/13 Thursday
Milwaukee 59
Detroit 74
Nebraska-Omaha 79
Oakland 91
Green Bay 53
Wright State 64
Murray State 73
Tennessee-Martin 62
Chicago State 52
Nev-Las Vegas 74
1/4/13 Friday - all times EST
Cleveland State at Valpo 7:00 p.m.
Savannah State at Saint Louis 8:00 p.m.
1/4/13 Friday
Cleveland State 50
Valpo 74
Savannah State 59
Saint Louis 67
1/5/13 Saturday - all times EST
Bethune-Cookman at Louisiana State 1:30 p.m.
Green Bay at Detroit 2:00 p.m.
Nebraska-Omaha at Fort Wayne 2:00 p.m.
Oakland at Alabama 4:00 p.m.
Youngstown State at Loyola (IL) 4:00 p.m.
Murray State at S.E. Missouri State 6:00 p.m.
North Carolina A&T at Georgia Southern 7:00 p.m.
Milwaukee at Wright State 7:00 p.m.
IUPUI at Western Illinois 8:00 p.m.
Missouri State at Drake 8:05 p.m.
1/5/13 Saturday
Bethune-Cookman 63
Louisiana State 79
Green Bay 76
Detroit 84
Nebraska-Omaha 78
Fort Wayne 96
Oakland 45
Alabama 65
Youngstown State 68
Loyola (IL) 66
Murray State 74
S.E. Missouri State 66
North Carolina A&T 71
Georgia Southern 65
Milwaukee 51
Wright State 53
IUPUI 53 OT
Western Illinois 57
Missouri State 77
Drake 65
1/6/13 Sunday - all times EST
Wisconsin at Nebraska 4:30 p.m.
1/6/13 Sunday
Wisconsin 47
Nebraska 41
1/7/13 Monday - all times EST
Bethune-Cookman at Florida International 1:00 p.m.
UI-Chicago at Cleveland State 6:00 p.m.
1/7/13 Monday
Bethune-Cookman 72
Florida International 74
UI-Chicago 50
Cleveland State 60
1/8/13 Tuesday - all times EST
Illinois State at Missouri State 8:05 p.m.
Well crap BCU, we need these opponents to win some games!
1/8/13 Tuesday
Illinois State 55
Missouri State 62
1/9/13 Wednesday - all times EST
Nebraska at Michigan 7:00 p.m.
Northern Illinois at Miami (OH) 7:00 p.m.
Toledo at Kent 7:00 p.m.
Cleveland State at Wright State 7:00 p.m.
Valpo at UI-Chicago 8:00 p.m.
Eastern Kentucky at Murray State 8:00 p.m.
Loyola (IL) at Green Bay 8:00 p.m.
Nev.-Las Vegas at New Mexico 10:00 p.m.
What the heck is up with Missouri State? They go 0-10 in their non-conference schedule, but have 3 decent wins in conference already to be 3-0? I don't mind the recent wins, but where was this effort in the games outside of against us?
Quote from: valpotx on January 09, 2013, 01:28:32 AMWhat the heck is up with Missouri State? They go 0-10 in their non-conference schedule, but have 3 decent wins in conference already to be 3-0? I don't mind the recent wins, but where was this effort in the games outside of against us?
They are young, I knew they would compete once they grew a little. They won me a lot of money last night as Vegas gave them points.
Since Missouri State was the only one of our opponents playing I listened to the end of the game on a Springfield,MO radio station. The game was very close and Illinois State got it down to 3 twice.
The guy who made the difference was Anthony Downing at the end. He made free throws and hit jumpers that he wasn't making earlier in the season. Downing had 24 points. According to the Bears colorman on radio this was the first big win for MSU since their other 2 wins in conference came against Drake and Southern Illinois who look to be the bottom dwellers in the MVC. Illinois State had played a very close game against Louisville and had beaten Dayton. But the radio guy also pointed out that the Redbirds have been streaky this year losing to Northwestern, Louisville and Wyoming in three consecutive games and then immediately after beating Western Michigan, Morgan State, Dayton and Austin Peay in consecutive games. Also it didn't hurt MSU to be playing at home.
I wouldn't be surprised to see both Illinois State and Missouri State in the upper half of the MVC by tournament time.
1/9/13 Wednesday
Nebraska 47
Michigan 62
Northern Illinois 72
Miami (OH) 61
Toledo 70
Kent 58
Cleveland State 53
Wright State 69
Valpo 75
UI-Chicago 70
Eastern Kentucky 77
Murray State 65
Loyola (IL) 45
Green Bay 58
Nev.-Las Vegas 60
New Mexico 65
1/10/13 Thursday - all times EST
Detroit at Youngstown State 7:05 p.m.
IUPUI at Nebraska-Omaha 8:00 p.m.
Fort Wayne at North Dakota State 8:00 p.m.
Oakland at South Dakota State 8:00 p.m.
Massachusetts at Saint Louis 9:00 p.m.
By the way, the same Loyola team that beat Valpo at the ARC, only scored 10 points in the first half against Green Bay Wednesday night.
The Ramblers finished with 45 total points but that sure does make it look like Valpo caught Loyola at the wrong time. After the Crusaders beat Milwaukee on Saturday they will have to take care of business against Detroit next Thursday.
Although, tomorow/Thursday Detroit will face a tough YSU team in Youngstown. That will be a very exciting HL battle between the Penguins and the Titans.
Yikes, we had NIU help us out with a win, but then Murray State drops one against EKU at home...
The Sagarin went from 89 to 84 and the WarrenNolanRpi went from 113 to 104. Sure would be nice to have the Racers win-out. The rest of the OVC is not strong...not looking for a lot of help with tonight's games. The Dakota States should hold serve; SLU and IUP should also win... and I'll say the 'guins at home against the coaches mcCallum
1/10/13 Thursday
Detroit 101
Youngstown State 60
IUPUI 79
Nebraska-Omaha 90
Fort Wayne 55
North Dakota State 67
Oakland 74
South Dakota State 81
Massachusetts 62
Saint Louis 70
1/11/13 Friday - all times EST
Creighton at Missouri State 8:05 p.m.
Wright State at Loyola (IL) 9:00 p.m.
For whom should we root in a game pitting two opponents?
As the conference season advances, this becomes inevitable on an almost-daily basis, but it still happens in teams from our OOC schedule meeting, e.g. UNM (RPI 10) @ St. Louis (RPI 47), or perhaps our MAC opponents. I suppose the first question should be "does it even matter?"
One might think it doesn't make a difference, but would the gut reaction "the higher rated team should be rooted for so they continue to improve so that win looks better" hold true? Or conversely, if there's a team with a chance to get out of the Milwaukee Zone, perhaps we should root for the upset?
The closest thing I have found to an answer to this question is on our team page in RPIForecast.
http://www.rpiforecast.com/teams/Valparaiso.html (http://www.rpiforecast.com/teams/Valparaiso.html)
If you scroll to the last entry, below the histogram of 10000 simulated seasons in red, you'll see a HUGE table of teams and their impact on our RPI.
You will see teams on there you don't even know on that list affecting VU, because even though they are not our opponents, they are our opponents' opponents. Let's call this the Six Degrees of Steve Alford Effect. And by clicking on the columns you can reorder the teams. Obviously we have the greatest current positive impact on our own RPI, as well as expected impact, but you'd be surprised to know that New Mexico is 2nd and St. Louis 3rd currently (or 1st and 2nd after the DUH, US entry), and it's expected that they will still end up 6th and 7th, respectively--losing to them having a greater positive effect on us than even teams we will beat twice such as YSU (which unlike CSU, GB and MILW, at least is a positive effect at this point)!!!
So in this case, we should have rooted for UNM (for all the good it did us): regardless of whether we won or lost, the computer will tell us who has a higher positive effect, and so for that team we should cheer. For the record, Murray State, unsurprisingly, will end up being the top OOC positive factor.
Perhaps in future editions of this feature we might embolden the name of the team we should prefer, in cases where it is not obvious?
("root for" seems far too strong in any game involving, say, Detroit.)
((And yet, due to electron-shell-type distance I cannot comprehend, we need to root for Butler in any conference game against VCU or Charlotte, for example! Check it if you don't believe me!!!))
No.
Too bad, dude. The rhetorical questions don't require the answers, as they say.
I've tweaked the criterion--instead of just expected impact, I'm looking at WEIGHT, and instead of expected, I'm looking solely at the CURRENT, because that's what we're looking at, games in the here and now.
Bolded team is the team that has (or would have had) the more positive impact now on VU by winning.
Italicized team is the team that is expected to benefit us more if the season plays out as expected (and we win the games we are expected to, etc.
1/10/13 Thursday
Detroit 101
Youngstown St 60
Since we have played neither, it comes down to opponents' opponents, and Detroit currently is (tied for) last at ZERO effect on our RPI. Yet Detroit is the better team, and so if we beat them, we should better off in the long run...just not now.
IUPUI 79
Nebraska-Omaha 90
Fort Wayne 55
North Dakota St 67
NB NDSU is predicted to have more positive impact on us than any other opponent's opponent (current: 0; expected: +.21!). GO GET 'EM, THUNDAR!!!
Oakland 74 expected impact, 1/9: -.25; current weight, 1/9: 3.22
South Dakota State 81 expected impact, 1/9: +.04; current weight, 1/9: .10
NB In this instance as well as the first we see that the choice is not always clear. It of course could be argued that teams we lost to need to win to redeem those losses, but the RPI formula seems to indicate that in leagues such as the Summit where we have multiple opponents, the multiplied effect of multiple-opponents'-opponents might actually outweigh it IF the latter teams are really good teams. I'll monitor this after this loss to see whether the gain from SDSU's win (for VU) outweighs the loss from OU's loss (for VU).
Massachusetts 62
Saint Louis 70
1/11/13 Friday - all times EST
Wright State at Loyola (IL) 9:00 p.m.
1/11/13 Friday
Creighton 74
Missouri State 52
Wright State 62
Loyola (IL) 61
1/12/13 Saturday - all times EST
Valpo at Milwaukee 2:00 p.m.
Kent at Ball State 2:00 p.m.
Fresno State at New Mexico 3:00 p.m.
North Carolina A&T at Bethune-Cookman 4:00 p.m.
Akron at Northern Illinois 4:00 p.m.
Chicago State at New Jersey Inst. Tech. 4:00 p.m.
UI-Chicago at Green Bay 4:00 p.m.
Detroit at Cleveland State 4:30 p.m.
Oakland at North Dakota State 5:00 p.m.
Fort Wayne at South Dakota State 5:00 p.m.
Saint Louis at Temple 6:00 p.m.
Georgia Southern at Wofford 7:00 p.m.
Murray State at Austin Peay 8:30 p.m.
The UIC-Green Bay game time was moved up to 3PM CT/4PM ET because of the 49ers-Packers. They didn't want anyone in GB to miss the Packer game because of a Phoenix they could have ignored anyway.
1/12/13 Saturday
Valpo 76
Milwaukee 52
Kent 61
Ball State 47
Fresno State 45
New Mexico 72
North Carolina A&T 60
Bethune-Cookman 72
Akron 68
Northern Illinois 53
Chicago State 78 3 OT
New Jersey Inst. Tech. 83
UI-Chicago 47
Green Bay 53
Detroit 62
Cleveland State 74
Oakland 57
North Dakota State 73
Fort Wayne 57
South Dakota State 83
Saint Louis 54
Temple 64
Georgia Southern 53
Wofford 71
Murray State 71
Austin Peay 68
1/13/13 Sunday - all times EST
Nebraska at Michigan State 6:00 p.m.
1/13/13 Sunday
Nebraska 56
Michigan State 66
1/14/13 Monday - all times EST
Davidson at Georgia Southern 7:00 p.m.
North Carolina Central at Bethune-Cookman 7:30 p.m.
Benedictine at Chicago State 8:00 p.m.
1/14/13 Monday
Davidson 57
Georgia Southern 70
North Carolina Central 75
Bethune-Cookman 66
Benedictine 53
Chicago State 77
1/16/13 Wednesday - all times EST
Northern Illinois at Ohio 7:00 p.m.
Kent at Buffalo 7:00 p.m.
Missouri State at Indiana State 7:05 p.m.
Loyola (IL) at UI-Chicago 8:00 p.m.
New Mexico at Boise State 9:00 p.m.
Purdue at Nebraska 9:00 p.m.
So Geo So. beats Davidson, a Sagarin 300 beats a Sagarin 100. Does this hurt or help Valpo ranking wise?
Gee! I'm glad you asked!
BEFORE this game, GA-SO was 2.94 of our RPI current weight and were expected to be a -0.47 impact.
Davidson was 0.18 of current weight and expected to be a +0.06 impact.
I'll recheck tomorrow, but I'm guessing that even though Davidson has multiple shared opponents with us (Milwaukee, New Mexico, and Ga-So--a second time later, though at home), the more Davidson wins it's good for us, but Ga-So is such a drag on us that we need them to win games like this.
So now:
Davidson is 0.28 of our weight, greater because of the game, but only +.04 impact, because they lost.
Ga-SO is still 2.94 weight, because we didn't play, but now only -0.26 impact.
Before this game, Davidson was +0.0108 (weight times impact) and Ga-So was -1.3818, for a net of -1.371.
After it, Davidson was +0.0112--greater positive even though they lost because the game being played itself more than balanced out! Ga-So shot up to -0.7644, for a net of -.7532.
So this game looks to help our RPI out by over 6-tenths of a point.
So it seems that we should almost always favor our opponents over our opponents' opponents. The only time this is in doubt is when our opponents are the same as our opponents' opponents, esp. conf. matchups.
Yes, it is always best to root for your direct schedule. If we win the conference regular season and tourney, I imagine that we would be a 13/14 seed
I got my answer. Before the Ga. Southern win Valpo was ranked 93 and Detroit 94. The next day (today) Valpo is ranked 81st and Detroit stayed at 94. Horizon firmed ranked 11th.
Quote from: vu72 on January 15, 2013, 12:20:41 PM
I got my answer. Before the Ga. Southern win Valpo was ranked 93 and Detroit 94. The next day (today) Valpo is ranked 81st and Detroit stayed at 94. Horizon firmed ranked 11th.
Was that Sagarin, because WN still has us at 104 and reatime at 105? If so it is of interest on methodology because in recent years our Sagarin number always seems to be 20 to 25 below the other two.
How many of you would argue with the statement that if we could match this years team against our 2010-11 team (with Homer as coach) that the 12-13 team would win 6 or 7 out of ten? I only bring this up because according to a recent Rpi Forecast if we were to win out then our ending RPI would only be 49. The 10-11 team had a rpi high of about 37(?) and even after the late season tailspin they finished in the 80's(?). So our 10-11 ending rpi is still much higher than todays Warren Nolan and RealTime numbers, and if the BB committee goes by their numbers we will not be given as good an opponent as we probably deserve. Thoughts?
Quote from: justducky on January 15, 2013, 01:39:35 PM
Quote from: vu72 on January 15, 2013, 12:20:41 PM
I got my answer. Before the Ga. Southern win Valpo was ranked 93 and Detroit 94. The next day (today) Valpo is ranked 81st and Detroit stayed at 94. Horizon firmed ranked 11th.
Was that Sagarin, because WN still has us at 104 and reatime at 105? If so it is of interest on methodology because in recent years our Sagarin number always seems to be 20 to 25 below the other two.
How many of you would argue with the statement that if we could match this years team against our 2010-11 team (with Homer as coach) that the 12-13 team would win 6 or 7 out of ten? I only bring this up because according to a recent Rpi Forecast if we were to win out then our ending RPI would only be 49. The 10-11 team had a rpi high of about 37(?) and even after the late season tailspin they finished in the 80's(?). So our 10-11 ending rpi is still much higher than todays Warren Nolan and RealTime numbers, and if the BB committee goes by their numbers we will not be given as good an opponent as we probably deserve. Thoughts?
Yes, I was referring to Sagarin. The Committee faithfully says that rpi isn't the sole deciding factor, and in that regard, I have found Sagarin to be a pretty good source for deciding seedings. We'll see...
They also go by name recognition. I think we will get a great opponent. Considering we don't lose again. Which after the way we have been turning it up lately, I don't see happening. Kenney just needs to hit some 3s
Quote from: truth219 on January 15, 2013, 07:33:46 PMKenney just needs to hit some 3s
not his game. he's better driving to the bucket, believe it or not, than behind the arc.
1/16/13 Wednesday
Northern Illinois 63
Ohio 81
Kent 80
Buffalo 68
Missouri State 60
Indiana State 68
Loyola (IL) 59
UI-Chicago 61
New Mexico 79 OT
Boise State 74
Purdue 65
Nebraska 56
1/17/13 Thursday - all times EST
North Dakota State at IUPUI 7:00 p.m.
Charleston at Georgia Southern 7:00 p.m.
Valpo at Detroit 7:00 p.m.
Kansas City at Oakland 7:00 p.m.
South Dakota at Fort Wayne 7:00 p.m.
Eastern Illinois at Murray State 8:00 p.m.
Cleveland State at Milwaukee 8:00 p.m.
Youngstown State at Green Bay 8:00 p.m.
Interesting that the teams that played tonight constitute 4 of the 5 biggest (current) weights on our RPI:
TEAM Conf Wt. FutWt W/L% Exp% Imp FutImp
2) Kent St. MAC 3.31 1.98 64.29 61.38 0.95 0.45
3) UIC Horz 3.24 4.39 60.00 58.80 0.65 0.77
4) Northern Ill MAC 3.23 1.94 16.67 25.44 -2.15 -0.95
5) Cleveland St Horz 3.13 4.35 50.00 44.85 0.00 -0.45
6) New Mexico MWC 3.12 1.81 87.50 73.09 2.34 0.84
Kent, UIC, and UNM all won, so that should more than balance out UNI losing...but look at them...they're already such a drag (3rd only to Milwaukee and Chicago St) yowza.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on January 16, 2013, 11:02:36 PMKent, UIC, and UNM all won, so that should more than balance out UNI losing
I'd have thought so too, and maybe it does. But, all the other smaller factors must add up. Overall, it looks like we're down a couple of ticks. Comparing realtimerpi (yesterday, more or less) to warrennolan (current, more or less) it's RPI 0.5314 #104 to 0.5305 #109 to #109.
1/17/13 Thursday
North Dakota State 78
IUPUI 40
Charleston 47
Georgia Southern 51
Valpo 89
Detroit 88
Kansas City 68
Oakland 81
South Dakota 60
Fort Wayne 62
Eastern Illinois 49
Murray State 70
Cleveland State 57
Milwaukee 69
Youngstown State 59
Green Bay 67
1/19/13 Saturday - all times EST
Nebraska at Penn State 1:00 p.m.
Missouri State at Bradley 2:00 p.m.
Cleveland State at Green Bay 2:00 p.m.
South Dakota State at IUPUI 3:00 p.m.
Akron at Kent 3:00 p.m.
Bethune-Cookman at South Carolina State 4:00 p.m.
Houston Baptist at Chicago State 6:00 p.m.
South Dakota at Oakland 6:00 p.m.
UI-Chicago at Detroit 6:30 p.m.
Citadel at Georgia Southern 7:00 p.m.
Kansas City at Fort Wayne 7:00 p.m.
Rhode Island at Saint Louis 8:00 p.m.
Youngstown State at Milwaukee 8:00 p.m.
Western Michigan at Northern Illinois 8:00 p.m.
Wright State at Valpo 8:00 p.m.
Southern Illinois-E at Murray State 8:30 p.m.
Quote from: agibson on January 16, 2013, 11:29:59 PMI'd have thought so too, and maybe it does. But, all the other smaller factors must add up. Overall, it looks like we're down a couple of ticks. Comparing realtimerpi (yesterday, more or less) to warrennolan (current, more or less) it's RPI 0.5314 #104 to 0.5305 #109 to #109.
perhaps...but i'm always wary of going site-to-site.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on January 17, 2013, 12:26:38 PM
Quote from: agibson on January 16, 2013, 11:29:59 PMI'd have thought so too, and maybe it does. But, all the other smaller factors must add up. Overall, it looks like we're down a couple of ticks. Comparing realtimerpi (yesterday, more or less) to warrennolan (current, more or less) it's RPI 0.5314 #104 to 0.5305 #109 to #109.
perhaps...but i'm always wary of going site-to-site.
Apostle and agibson, just curious - With your knowledge of the RPI mathematical system, do you think our RPI will improve to double digits if we were to beat Detroit tonight?
Quote from: wh on January 17, 2013, 12:34:44 PMdo you think our RPI will improve to double digits if we were to beat Detroit tonight?
It will depend on what other teams do, of course. But everything else being equal, making some quick estimates. Yes, I think we'll most likely go to double digits if we win. And most likely won't fall as far as 120 if we lose. (From 107, currently.)
Don't worry, gibson. We got this.
DOUBLE DIGITS IT IS
(of course it not only depends on what we do, and our opponents, and our opponents' opponents, but also the schools between us and 99...)
It looks like our non-conference opponents showed up to help us out too, except for IUPUI
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on January 17, 2013, 05:24:15 PM
Don't worry, gibson. We got this.
DOUBLE DIGITS IT IS
(of course it not only depends on what we do, and our opponents, and our opponents' opponents, but also the schools between us and 99...)
Right you are - all the way up to 91!
We went 107 --> 93, Detroit 85 --> 100. When I checked maybe 30 minutes ago. Not sure how many other games were final at that point.
And now it's 90/99. Games finishing by the minute, I suppose!
1/19/13 Saturday
Nebraska 68
Penn State 64
Missouri State 66
Bradley 69
Cleveland State 50
Green Bay 77
South Dakota State 80
IUPUI 65
Akron 71
Kent 67
Bethune-Cookman 60
South Carolina State 52
Houston Baptist 56
Chicago State 81
South Dakota 97
Oakland 78
UI-Chicago 47
Detroit 98
Citadel 70
Georgia Southern 55
Kansas City 63
Fort Wayne 59
Rhode Island 82 OT
Saint Louis 80
Youngstown State 75
Milwaukee 72
Western Michigan 71
Northern Illinois 34
Wright State 63
Valpo 69
Southern Illinois-E 61
Murray State 70
1/20/13 Sunday – all times EST
Loyola (IL) at Chicago State 8:05 p.m.
Woo hoo, Nebraska got themselves a Big 10 win!
Quote from: valpotx on January 19, 2013, 06:48:21 PM
Woo hoo, Nebraska got themselves a Big 10 win!
On the road in State College even!
SLU drops one at home to Rhode Island (7-15, 1-2). That is not good for the Billikens. Wonder how Keith Carter feels about his decision to transfer after tonight.
I didn't catch his reaction, but nice to see him on the bench.
and at 10:25, the Nolan RPI has us at 84 !
1/20/13 Sunday
Loyola (IL) 66 OT
Chicago State 63
1/21/13 Monday - all times EST
Wright State at Detroit 7:00 p.m.
Bethune-Cookman at Savannah State 7:30 p.m.
Loyola barely survives an OT game at Chicago State, 66-63 (on ESPN 3). Scottie Pippen's nephew and legal ward, Quinton Pippen, took a three at the end of the overtime but it was no good.
Quote from: bbtds on January 20, 2013, 09:23:28 PMScottie Pippen's nephew and legal ward, Quinton Pippen, took a three
Now Triangle Pippen taking a five-pointer, that would be news...
1/21/13 Monday
Wright State 64
Detroit 62
Bethune-Cookman 40
Savannah State 43
1/22/13 Tuesday - all times EST
Illinois at Nebraska 8:30 p.m.
you watching the game on the HLN?
i tell you what, when Detroit tied it with 5 to go, I thought they were done.
You'd have thought I'd never seen Detroit choke at home before. Wow.
Just turned it on but from what I have seen Wright State looks good. Running clock and scoring on most possessions.
I think I see the light: Discipline. Detroit hates it... Wright thrives on it. Ok Everyone: "Duh!"
62 pts...right now ties their season low (Miami & CSU).
Wow! WSU is the real deal. And Detroit, once again, gets theirs. They'll be lucky to be 9-7.
and in 10 days, they play again at the Nutter...tee hee...
I'm late to the party and just saw the score. Detroit losing is huge and Wright State is FOR REAL!!
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on January 21, 2013, 08:03:34 PM
62 pts...right now ties their season low (Miami & CSU).
Wow! WSU is the real deal. And Detroit, once again, gets theirs. They'll be lucky to be 9-7.
Detroit showed us last year they don't need the 1 or 2 seed to sweep through the HL tourney....
and this year, the 3 seed gets one bye..so, starting Thursday, I'd like GB to pick things up.
So McCallum goes for 8 after getting 6 against us. Sure sounds like a POY to me. ???
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 21, 2013, 08:15:44 PMDetroit showed us last year they don't need the 1 or 2 seed to sweep through the HL tourney....
Well, I wasn't talking about the tourney; only the regular season.
But let's look at their tourney run: game one, YSU, 8-man rotation; game two, CSU, 7-man rotation (but effectively 6 because Doug A only managed 4 min); and game three, us, 7-man rotation.
That's all they ever seem to have; McCallum played 111 of 120 min; Calliste 103; Simon 99.
Missing Chase Simon, Eli Holman, LaMarcus Lowe, Donavan (sic) Foster from that rotation; in their places, the return of Minnerath, and Juwan Howard, Jr.
Thin team is thinner, but it doesn't always bother them. Not nearly as much as their lack of discipline...
I thought McCallum look tired down the stretch, and I thought that in Valpo game as well. Hard to imagine why on Saturday he didn't come out until there were 4 minutes left in the game, even though they were up close to 50 the entire second half. Then he plays all 40 minutes tonight. On the most important possession of the night, Arceneaux blew right by him for a layup with the shot clock winding down. They basically played 6 guys tonight in the third game in less than a week. Their starters could have used more rest on Saturday.
His dad wanted him to pass Jordan Aaron so he could at least be #1 in the HL in something (% of team's minutes played, 87.9%).
Preseason Awards! Catch the Relevance!
All 5 UDM starters are in the conf. top 26 in min. played. Only Rowdy (#13, 76.3%) and Buggs (#23, 67.3%) are for us, and that's just 'cause Buggs spiked last game (37 min, or 92.5%).
Quote from: chef on January 21, 2013, 10:26:23 PMTheir starters could have used more rest on Saturday.
there's the inept coaching of senior for ya
1/22/13 Tuesday
Illinois 71
Nebraska 51
1/23/13 Wednesday - all times EST
Kent at Bowling Green 7:00 p.m.
Loyola (IL) at Cleveland State 7:00 p.m.
Northern Illinois at Central Michigan 7:00 p.m.
Saint Louis at Duquesne 7:00 p.m.
Wright State at Youngstown State 7:05 p.m.
Colorado State at New Mexico 8:00 p.m.
Milwaukee at UI-Chicago 8:00 p.m.
Wichita State at Missouri State 8:00 p.m.
Green Bay at Valpo 8:05 p.m.
1/23/13 Wednesday
Kent 55
Bowling Green 70
Loyola (IL). 67
Cleveland State 55
Northern Illinois. 74
Central Michigan 61
Saint Louis 73
Duquesne 64
Wright State. 61
Youngstown State 68
Colorado State 61
New Mexico 66
Milwaukee 50
UI-Chicago 60
Wichita State 62
Missouri State 52
Green Bay 61
Valpo 73
1/24/13 Thursday – all times EST
Georgia Southern at Appalachian State 7:00 p.m.
IUPUI at Oakland 7:00 p.m.
Western Illinois at Fort Wayne 7:00 p.m.
Murray State at Tennessee Tech 8:00 p.m.
Just for kicks: Butler 53, Lasalle 54 :thumbsup:
Oh my, LaSalle who?? ;)
There goes that #2 seed :-X
One of the hardest things about announcing tonights game was NOT announcing the Explorer win over the Dawgs... But I can laugh inside all I want...
Harder still to fathom... the 35-8 drubbing UIC put on UWM in the second half... and the 'thers had a 42-25 lead at the break! That's gotta hurt.
Do they only allow you to mention conference games? That is too bad, a good Butler loss can only make everyone feel better in the HL
Quote from: valpotx on January 24, 2013, 02:30:12 AMDo they only allow you to mention conference games?
It is what it is. The scores of Valpo's opponents during the 2012-13 season. These are the games that directly effect our RPI.
Quote from: okinawatyphoon on January 23, 2013, 09:50:23 PM
Just for kicks: Butler 53, Lasalle 54 :thumbsup:
Quote from: vu72 on January 23, 2013, 09:51:29 PM
Oh my, LaSalle who?? ;)
Quote from: FWalum on January 23, 2013, 10:23:12 PM
There goes that #2 seed :-X
I'd be upset with you guys, but then I realized you've been waiting over two months to celebrate a Butler loss, so enjoy. ;)
Of course somebody could start a thread just for Butler losses. ;D
Quote from: vu72 on January 23, 2013, 09:51:29 PM
Oh my, LaSalle who?? ;)
Heh. LaSalle seems to have had an OK season, with a pretty gaudy RPI (now 32). Best previous win... Villanova? Not much success on the road.
1/24/13 Thursday
Georgia Southern 62
Appalachian State 64
IUPUI 71
Oakland 89
Western Illinois 43
Fort Wayne 40
Murray State 47
Tennessee Tech 39
1/25/13 Friday - all times EST
Green Bay at Milwaukee 9:00 p.m.
Quote from: bbtds on January 24, 2013, 08:32:46 PMIUPUI 71
Oakland 89
Interestingly, you might think (I did) a game like this, it doesn't matter who wins, because we beat the bad team and lost to the betterish one.
HOWEVA it is differently weighted simply because we share a different number of common opponents. IUPUI is a bigger weight on our schedule currently, so it would have been nicer if they won. But, they're IUPUI.
{reinsert rant about playing IUPUI when beating them is more than twice the negative factor of losing to Oakland}
If only Bryce would think of our RPI!
1/25/13 Friday
Green Bay 74
Milwaukee 54
1/26/13 Saturday – all times EST
Northern Illinois at Eastern Michigan 2:00 p.m.
Georgia Southern at Western Carolina 2:00 p.m.
Northwestern at Nebraska 3:00 p.m.
New Mexico at San Diego State 4:00 p.m.
Saint Louis at St. Bonaventure 4:00 p.m.
Delaware State at Bethune-Cookman 4:00 p.m.
Detroit at Loyola (IL) 4:00 p.m.
Western Illinois at Oakland 5:00 p.m.
Murray State at Jacksonville State 5:30 p.m.
Utah Valley at Chicago State 5:30 p.m.
Ohio at Kent 6:00 p.m.
UI-Chicago at Wright State 7:00 p.m.
IUPUI at Fort Wayne 7:00 p.m.
OF the Saturday games... taking a look at the BBuster home-team Rippies, the way it looks to me, Murray State and Northern Iowa can pass us with wins on Saturday. There are 7 teams within 15 ranking-positions in the mid-80s/low 90s. The others around us are all playing lower rated teams... We are #7 right now, and Loyola MD is #7 road team... Go Greyhound, and leave the Driving to US!
I'm watching Loyola MD play Manhattan right now. They are not very good and lead Manhattan 37-30 with 4:26 to go. Granted, they are on the road, but we need a better opponent. Let's hope for ND State or Ohio. As stated earlier, I doubt ESPN would give a tv game (meaning ESPN2 or ESPNU) to three teams in the same conference, so I doubt Northern Iowa would pass us. Plus, if they lose they are 10-10, not a great tv game.
Loyola looks bad. We would blow them out.
The player of the game had 9 points....
Hope it's not ND State... don't want to have to go up there! Baltimore is a MUCH easier trip...
Green bay and milwaukee game isn't impressive
Quote from: truth219 on January 25, 2013, 08:53:35 PMGreen bay and milwaukee game isn't impressive
You sound surprised
Geting better, 28-27 GB at half. Let's hope for a Milwaukee win. The crowd is impressive! All the more reason to not over expand the ARC. It is packed and I'm sure very loud.
Quote from: vu72 on January 25, 2013, 09:01:21 PMGeting better, 28-27 GB at half. Let's hope for a Milwaukee win. The crowd is impressive! All the more reason to not over expand the ARC. It is packed and I'm sure very loud.
Final 74-54 GB. Milw was 0 for 9 on 3'sin the second half.
Quote from: talksalot on January 25, 2013, 08:42:27 PM
Hope it's not ND State... don't want to have to go up there! Baltimore is a MUCH easier trip...
At least the return game would be in November or December. It's not as cold up here then. But I'd love to see that happen.
Good luck today - UIC and Loyola.....
1/26/13 Saturday
Northern Illinois 25
Eastern Michigan 42
Georgia Southern 72
Western Carolina 66
Cleveland State 59
Youngstown State 73
Northwestern 49
Nebraska 64
New Mexico 34
San Diego State 55
Saint Louis 67
St. Bonaventure 57
Delaware State 68
Bethune-Cookman 52
Detroit 75
Loyola (IL) 63
Western Illinois 60
Oakland 67
Murray State 60
Jacksonville State 63
Utah Valley 54
Chicago State 62
Ohio 69
Kent 68
UI-Chicago 55
Wright State 49
IUPUI 79 OT
Fort Wayne 80
1/27/13 Sunday
Drake at Missouri State 3:00 p.m.
25 pts for N Illinois in the entire game!
Quote from: valpocleveland on January 26, 2013, 03:12:59 PM25 pts for N Illinois in the entire game!
at least the Husky football team put up 49 on EMU
http://www.rantsports.com/ncaa-basketball/2013/01/26/futility-at-its-finest-on-saturday-in-emuniu-game/ (http://www.rantsports.com/ncaa-basketball/2013/01/26/futility-at-its-finest-on-saturday-in-emuniu-game/)
NIU had FOUR points at halftime. FOUR. They shot 1-31 in the half.
So nobody noticed that UIC took down WSU?? Two game lead baby!!
Quote from: vu72 on January 26, 2013, 08:21:35 PM
So nobody noticed that UIC took down WSU?? Two game lead baby!!
...and life is good in Crusaderland!
2 games up in the loss column over WSU, GB, and Detroit, and 3-0 in head-to-head games. That's about as good as it gets after 7 games.
Our schedule is really killing us this year. It seems everytime I look at the posted scores our opponents lose more games than they win. At this rate, we could win out the rest of the season, which we wont, and still end up a 13 seed.
Quote from: SanityLost17 on January 26, 2013, 09:41:15 PMOur schedule is really killing us this year. It seems everytime I look at the posted scores our opponents lose more games than they win. At this rate, we could win out the rest of the season, which we wont, and still end up a 13 seed.
I think you're concentrating on the losses too much.Today/Saturday: Winners-Georgia Southern, Nebraska-2nd B1G win (many on this board predicted zero or 1), Saint Louis, Oakland and Chicago St. (5 total)Losers-Northern Illinois, New Mexico, Bethune-Cookman and Kent (4 total)The rest of the games we played both opponents.
Realtime RPI with us at 75.
Quote from: valpo84 on January 26, 2013, 10:13:50 PM
Realtime RPI with us at 75.
That's their power ratings...RPI shows 86...
Quote from: Valpo2010 on January 26, 2013, 10:24:43 PM
Quote from: valpo84 on January 26, 2013, 10:13:50 PM
Realtime RPI with us at 75.
That's their power ratings...RPI shows 86...
Realtime's numbers do not yet include today's games. Warren Nolan's do and we're at 82.
http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2013/conference/Horizon%20League (http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2013/conference/Horizon%20League)
1/27/13 Sunday
Drake 72
Missouri State 78
1/28/13 Monday - all times EST
Maryland-Eastern Shore at Bethune-Cookman 7:30 p.m.
1/28/13 Monday
Maryland-Eastern Shore 57
Bethune-Cookman 58
1/29/13 Tuesday - all times EST
Nebraska(11-10, 2-6) at Minnesota(15-5, 3-4) 9:00 p.m.
B-CU just barely surviving against UMES by a free throw with 2.1 seconds left in the game saved Valpo 1 RPI point. MD-E. Shore is 1-16 with their win coming over Delaware St, who is currently leading the MEAC.
Enough to bump us up 1 in the rpi!
Nebraska has a very strong chance to win tonight. The Gophers have returned to normalcy, and that gives the Huskers a good chance.
Quote from: valporun on January 29, 2013, 04:49:34 PM
Nebraska has a very strong chance to win tonight. The Gophers have returned to normalcy, and that gives the Huskers a good chance.
I had a feeling that Tim Miles would get the most of this Cornhuskers team before the season was over. He has the knowledge and coaching ability to win close games. The biggest problem is that his talent doesn't match the conference he is in. The Huskers just can't keep it close with the top level & middle levels of the Big Ten.
1/29/13 Tuesday
Nebraska 65
Minnesota 84
1/30/13 Wednesday - all times EST
Detroit at Wright State 7:00 p.m.
Valpo at Youngstown State 7:05 p.m.
Missouri State at Creighton 8:00 p.m.
Milwaukee at Loyola (IL) 8:00 p.m.
Kent at Northern Illinois 8:00 p.m.
New Mexico at Wyoming 9:00 p.m.
OK, well So Much for the 'huskers... Gophers up 80-62 with 2:03 to play...
looking to tomorrow... I'll start the bidding:
Wright State holds court, I'm guessing UDM with two technicals.
Valpo ices Penguins
Creighton Bearies Missourah State
Loyola does it to UWM
Kent tries to hold NIU to 3 points in a half
and the Lobos beat the 'boys in an offensive juggernaut... 47-44.
OK... start your arguing!
Quote from: talksalot on January 29, 2013, 09:52:58 PM
OK, well So Much for the 'huskers... Gophers up 80-62 with 2:03 to play...
looking to tomorrow... I'll start the bidding:
Wright State holds court, I'm guessing UDM with two technicals.
Valpo ices Penguins
Creighton Bearies Missourah State
Loyola does it to UWM
Kent tries to hold NIU to 3 points in a half
and the Lobos beat the 'boys in an offensive juggernaut... 47-44.
OK... start your arguing!
I would like to see it happen, but it could be a pretty tall task for WSU - even at home. Right now we have 3 teams chasing us - WSU, Detroit and GB. IF we beat YSU, whoever loses the WSU/Det game will be 3 games behind and pretty much eliminated from conf. championship competition. That's good for us, regardless of who it is.
1/30/13 Wednesday
Detroit 83
Wright State 76
Valpo 68
Youngstown State 80
Missouri State 77
Creighton 91
Milwaukee 65
Loyola (IL) 76
Kent 65
Northern Illinois 67
New Mexico 63
Wyoming 59
1/31/13 Thursday
Georgia Southern at Furman 7:00 p.m.
Green Bay at UI-Chicago 8:00 p.m.
Fort Wayne at Nebraska-Omaha 8:00 p.m.
Butler at Saint Louis 9:00 p.m.
Wouldn't it be Loyola rambles past Panthers?
Quote from: valpo84 on January 30, 2013, 01:31:58 PM
Wouldn't it be Loyola rambles past Panthers?
Who knows? Maybe after two awful 2nd halves the Panthers finally claw back for a win at the Gentile Center.
With that, skating off to the igloo to see the Penguins with a stop at Quaker Steak & Lube for per-game dinner.
That rambling thing was just toooo easy... now, I'm watching the 12-4 performance the 'guins are skating to right now...Need to start making some shots!
dority and bogan are lost
Quote from: bbtds on January 30, 2013, 02:04:59 PM
Quote from: valpo84 on January 30, 2013, 01:31:58 PM
Wouldn't it be Loyola rambles past Panthers?
Who knows? Maybe after two awful 2nd halves the Panthers finally claw back for a win at the Gentile Center.
Nope, Milwaukee has another bad 2nd half. Panthers were up by 1 at half and score 32 (after scoring 33 in the 1st half) in the 2nd half but allow the Ramblers to score 44. A better game by Milwaukee so Valpo will need to improve over their performance against YSU or we lose again.
1/31/13 Thursday
Georgia Southern 74
Furman 81
Green Bay 57
UI-Chicago 60
Fort Wayne 79
Nebraska-Omaha 86
Butler 58
Saint Louis 75
2/1/13 Friday - all times EST
Milwaukee at Valpo 8:05 p.m.
Youngstown State at Detroit 9:00 p.m.
Let's go SLU!!!
SLU currently leads Butler, 31-19, with 1:41 left in the first half.
Its a shame butler left the horizon. They were a fun team to play. The stl game is fun to watch.
17 point win by the Billikens and the Saint Louis fans STORM THE COURT!
It was similar to watching our game last night...a comeback wasn't going to happen. Except slus gym had fans in it.
UIC helps us with a win v. Green Bay! Nice!
2/1/13 Friday
Youngstown State 77
Detroit 88
Milwaukee 40
Valpo 71
2/2/13 Saturday - all times EST
Austin Peay at Murray State 1:00 p.m.
Dayton at Saint Louis 2:00 p.m.
*Green Bay at Loyola (IL) 2:00 p.m.
Oakland at Nebraska-Omaha 2:00 p.m.
Western Illinois at IUPUI 3:00 p.m.
Evansville at Missouri State 3:05 p.m.
Florida A&M at Bethune-Cookman 4:00 p.m.
Toledo at Northern Illinois 4:00 p.m.
Ohio State at Nebraska 7:00 p.m.
Eastern Michigan at Kent 7:00 p.m.
Chattanooga at Georgia Southern 7:30 p.m.
Nevada at New Mexico 8:00 p.m.
*Cleveland State at UI-Chicago 8:00 p.m.
Chicago State at Texas-Pan American 8:00 p.m.
OK, I went 3-3 the other night with predictions... NIU beat Kent??? Really???? so... tonights are too easy, moving to Saturday:
Murray races past "pea
Dayton takes SLU down a peg... (hope not)
GB of 0fer in Chicago
Oakland in a cake walk
Western wins at the Jungle
E'Ville aces da'Bears
Beth Cooks up a win
Toledo proves the NIU win was a fluke
Ohio State is a battle with oakland to see which Nebraska team is worse!
Eastern M can't win south of the state line
GaSouthern holds home court advantage over the snakes
Nevada will not come out of the locker room for the second half due to embarrassment
I'm guessing UIC will win in the pavilion
and since nobody will be at the CSU-UTPA game, I won't bother with a guess... we'll never see who won!
2/2/13 Saturday
Austin Peay 68 OT
Murray State 75
Dayton 52
Saint Louis 81
Green Bay 73
Loyola (IL) 65
Oakland 96
Nebraska-Omaha 81
Western Illinois 68
IUPUI 59
Evansville 61
Missouri State 62
Florida A&M 65 OT
Bethune-Cookman 67
Toledo 69
Northern Illinois 64
Ohio State 63
Nebraska 56
Eastern Michigan 62
Kent 77
Chattanooga 57
Georgia Southern 59
Nevada 62
New Mexico 75
Cleveland State 77
UI-Chicago 66
Chicago State 65
Texas-Pan American 68
2/4/13 Monday – all times EST
*Loyola (IL) at Wright State 7:00 p.m.
It will be interesting to see if the Billikens come out flat after the big win over Butler. Dayton, I believe, can play just as well as Butler on any given day.
You ever notice that there is no major team nicknamed the Groundhogs?
The biggest influence on Valpo's RPI most likely would have been if Nebraska would have pulled out the win over Ohio State. The Huskers got it down to 5 at the end of the game on some very courageous play by Almeida and Gallegos but lost by 7 in Lincoln.
Quote from: bbtds on February 02, 2013, 09:40:35 AM
It will be interesting to see if the Billikens come out flat after the big win over Butler. Dayton, I believe, can play just as well as Butler on any given day.
You ever notice that there is no major team nicknamed the Groundhogs?
they did. flyers got bounced out of chaiffetz just like the dawgs.
Quote from: vuweathernerd on February 02, 2013, 03:58:42 PM
Quote from: bbtds on February 02, 2013, 09:40:35 AM
It will be interesting to see if the Billikens come out flat after the big win over Butler. Dayton, I believe, can play just as well as Butler on any given day.
You ever notice that there is no major team nicknamed the Groundhogs?
they did. flyers got bounced out of chaiffetz just like the dawgs.
Worse, actually. I actually passed the time by watching a bit of the Loyola-GB game and the Valpo-CSU game on my Android.
2/4/13 Monday
Loyola (IL) 59
Wright State 62
2/5/13 Tuesday - all times EST
*Youngstown State at Cleveland State 7:00 p.m.
Missouri State at Northern Iowa 8:00 p.m.
*UI-Chicago at Valpo 8:05 p.m.
Crowley's Ridge College (AR) at Eastern Kentucky 7:00 p.m.
11/16/12
Kennesaw State 71
Eastern Kentucky 85
11/17/12
Towson 69 OT
Eastern Kentucky 71
11/18/12
Radford 75
Eastern Kentucky 83
11/24/12
Norfolk State 44
Eastern Kentucky 68
11/28/12
Delaware State 51
Eastern Kentucky 84
12/1/12
Western Carolina 70
Eastern Kentucky 72
12/4/12
North Carolina Central 57
Eastern Kentucky 63
12/8/12
Eastern Kentucky 63
Chattanooga 52
12/16/12
Eastern Kentucky 53
Illinois 66
12/19/12
Eastern Kentucky 67
North Carolina A&T 78
12/21/12
Eastern Kentucky 73
High Point 70
12/30/12
Eastern Kentucky 67
West Virginia 74
1/3/13
Eastern Illinois 54
Eastern Kentucky 65
1/5/13
Southern Illinois-E 72
Eastern Kentucky 78
1/9/13
Eastern Kentucky 77
Murray State 65
1/12/13
Morehead State 52
Eastern Kentucky 59
1/17/13
Eastern Kentucky 76
Belmont 83
1/19/13
Eastern Kentucky 73
Jacksonville State 62
1/24/13
Tennessee State 67
Eastern Kentucky 76
1/26/13
Belmont 85
Eastern Kentucky 74
1/31/13
Eastern Kentucky 65
Tennessee-Martin 72
2/2/13
Eastern Kentucky 81
Southeast Missouri State 72
Disappointing loss for Loyola tonight... They were leading on Wright State and had a few opportunities to tie it up butcouldn't put the ball in the basket. That would have been good for us.
All i know is that i will be cheering for some Detroit losses (sorry Detroit fans)... I really want this senior group to get am opportunity to play in the big tourney...
2/5/13 Tuesday
Youngstown State 60
Cleveland State 66
Missouri State 37
Northern Iowa 48
UI-Chicago 61
Valpo 86
Crowley's Ridge College 31
Eastern Kentucky 97
2/6/13 Wednesday - all times EST
Kent at Western Michigan 7:00 p.m.
Saint Louis at Fordham 8:00 p.m.
Bowling Green at Northern Illinois 8:00 p.m.
Air Force at New Mexico 9:00 p.m.
2/6/13 Wednesday
Kent 76
Western Michigan 82
Saint Louis 90
Fordham 73
Bowling Green 57
Northern Illinois 41
Air Force 58
New Mexico 81
2/7/13 Thursday - all times EST
Appalachian State at Georgia Southern 7:00 p.m.
North Dakota State at Oakland 7:00 p.m.
South Dakota State at Fort Wayne 7:00 p.m.
*Loyola (IL) at Youngstown State 7:45 p.m.
Belmont at Murray State 8:00 p.m.
*Detroit at Milwaukee 8:00 p.m.
*Wright State at Green Bay 8:00 p.m.
2/7/13 Thursday
Appalachian State 91 OT
Georgia Southern 86
North Dakota State 63
Oakland 66
South Dakota State 80
Fort Wayne 74
Loyola (IL) 59
Youngstown State 60
Belmont 74
Murray State 79
Detroit 82
Milwaukee 74
Wright State 70 2 OT
Green Bay 68
2/9/13 Saturday - all times EST
Northern Illinois at Buffalo 1:00 p.m.
Nebraska-Omaha at IUPUI 3:00 p.m.
*Valpo at Cleveland State 3:00 p.m.
Bethune-Cookman at North Carolina A&T 4:00 p.m.
Saint Louis at Richmond 6:00 p.m.
New Jersey Inst. Tech. at Chicago State 6:00 p.m.
South Dakota State at Oakland 6:00 p.m.
Central Michigan at Kent 7:00p.m.
*Detroit at Green Bay 7:00 p.m.
North Dakota State at Fort Wayne 7:00 p.m.
Eastern Kentucky at Morehead State 7:30 p.m.
Western Carolina at Georgia Southern 7:30 p.m.
Missouri State at Wichita State 7:30 p.m.
*Wright State at Milwaukee 8:00 p.m.
New Mexico at Nev.-Las Vegas 9:00 p.m.
Penn State at Nebraska 9:00 p.m.
The scoreboard postings called my attention to the fact that Detroit and Wright State get both Wisconsin schools on one trip -- two games in three days similar to the HL format last year when everyone had a travel partner. I don't recall other teams having this arrangement. Is it an advantage for Detroit and Wright State?
It seemed next to impossible to sweep that trip, so I really don't think it's an advantage.
Quickie Update...
GB 41 WSU 39 10:19 to go
UDM 57 UWM 54 8:49 to go
LUC 50 YST 48 5:23 to go
3 games 5 points.
Funny thing. ESPN has the Wright St/Green Bay game as a Final in OT with GB winning 62-59 but they are still playing the game in the 2nd OT with the score 70-68 WSU.
And the Raiders of Wright State defy ESPN and win 70-68 in 2 overtimes. It is possible to beat Green Bay in Green Bay no matter what Chris Berman and the Minnesota Vikings think.
and UWM missed a couple of key FTs and gave up a turnover fast-break layup with about 45 seconds to go... UDM holds on by 8...and YST holds court, 60-59 over LUC... but I do like the GB loss... they'll be mad when Jr. and minny rath come to town, 1pm central on E3... I have just become a 48 hour GB fan....
I needed WSU to lose that one! My .500 or worse prediction for them is not looking good, ha!
Wright State's schedule is very favorable. Their three remaining road games are all winnable (Milwaukee, CSU, and UIC). They have a legitimate shot at a top 2 seed. Detroit's three remaining road games are much tougher (Valpo, UWGB, and UIC).
2/9/13 Saturday
Northern Illinois 54
Buffalo 59
Nebraska-Omaha 85
IUPUI 78
Bethune-Cookman 55
North Carolina A&T 65
Saint Louis 56
Richmond 46
New Jersey Inst. Tech. 63
Chicago State 58
South Dakota State 83
Oakland 88
Valpo 80
Cleveland State 72
Central Michigan 72
Kent 87
Detroit 59
Green Bay 68
North Dakota State 58
Fort Wayne 54
Western Carolina 62
Georgia Southern 71
Missouri State 50
Wichita State 79
Eastern Kentucky 68
Morehead State 47
Wright State 64
Milwaukee 49
New Mexico 55
Nev.-Las Vegas 64
Penn State 53
Nebraska 67
2/10/13 Sunday - all times EST
*UI-Chicago at Youngstown State 2:05 p.m.
I don't know how many times Ray Jr. went to the left and scored. Anyhow, looks like Detroit going to lose in GB.
Oakland has really turned up the heat in the Summit League. They have won their last 5 games and 6 of their last 7, including wins over the top 3 teams in the league. They are now sitting in 4th, only 2 games back of league-leading W. IL. They have pulled up their record to 13-13 and their RPI to 115.
Our 2-pt. loss way back when (as inexcusable as it was given the way we gave it away), is not the "terrible" loss it seemed to be at the time.
Quote from: wh on February 10, 2013, 03:17:07 AM
Oakland has really turned up the heat in the Summit League. They have won their last 5 games and 6 of their last 7, including wins over the top 3 teams in the league. They are now sitting in 4th, only 2 games back of league-leading W. IL. They have pulled up their record to 13-13 and their RPI to 115.
Our 2-pt. loss way back when (as inexcusable as it was given the way we gave it away), is not the "terrible" loss it seemed to be at the time.
Plus, they gave NDSU and SDSU each a loss this weekend. No matter who wins the Horizon (us or Detroit), we need teams like this to start losing a few games so they fall in the RPI. That way a Horizon league team gets a 12th or 13th seed instead of being pushed back to a 14th or 15th.
Other good news. Nebraska is still hanging on in the top 100 RPI, Oakland can get into the top 100 RPI if they keep playing well, and Murray St. is back in the mid-80's. We need to start cheering for teams like Stephen F. Austin, Lehigh, Bucknell, etc. to either drop a couple regular season game, or lose in their conference tourney. Meanwhile, one of the Horizon league teams (hopefully us) need to go on a winning streak to end the season to get as low in the RPI as possible.
2/10/13 Sunday
UI-Chicago 88 3 OT
Youngstown State 83
2/11/13 Monday - all times EST
Bethune-Cookman at North Carolina Central 7:30 p.m.
Quote from: bbtds on February 02, 2013, 09:40:35 AMDayton, I believe, can play just as well as Butler on any given day.
Being in the Miami Valley and being familiar with the local sports scene and obviously with Butler, highly doubt it. Butler has come in and shown it can instantly be a contender atop the A 10. Butler has a much better leader and much more intelligent coach in Brad Stevens. Butler went to a hostile environment at UD this year, lost their then leading scorer to an injury in Clark and still won (I went to cheer on the Dawgs). Butler has shown time and time again it can play through adversity as well as anyone. UD melts down under pressure (1-7 in games decided by 5 points or less). Dayton has a LONG way to go until they can be remotely compared to Butler's level of play. I can contrast all day.
Anyway, any of you making the trip to Dayton Tuesday?
Quote from: Goraiders93 on February 10, 2013, 03:04:44 PM
Quote from: bbtds on February 02, 2013, 09:40:35 AMDayton, I believe, can play just as well as Butler on any given day.
Being in the Miami Valley and being familiar with the local sports scene and obviously with Butler, highly doubt it. Butler has come in and shown it can instantly be a contender atop the A 10. Butler has a much better leader and much more intelligent coach in Brad Stevens. Butler went to a hostile environment at UD this year, lost their then leading scorer to an injury in Clark and still won (I went to cheer on the Dawgs). Butler has shown time and time again it can play through adversity as well as anyone. UD melts down under pressure (1-7 in games decided by 5 points or less). Dayton has a LONG way to go until they can be remotely compared to Butler's level of play. I can contrast all day.
Anyway, any of you making the trip to Dayton Tuesday?
Another data point: SLU-Butler was sold out on a Thursday night, and was a 17-point loss for the Dawgs that was a very interesting game throughout. SLU-Dayton two days later was an empty house by comparison and the game was over midway through the 2nd half. A yawner, relatively speaking.
2/11/13 Monday
Bethune-Cookman 75
North Carolina Central 81
2/12/13 Tuesday
Cleveland State 62
Detroit 92
Valpo 68
Wright State 61
Loyola 53
Milwaukee 71
Indiana State 65
Missouri State 67
2/13/13 Wednesday - all times EST
Nebraska at Indiana 7:00 p.m.
Miami(OH) at Kent 7:00 p.m.
Ball State at Northern Illinois 8:00 p.m.
New Mexico at Fresno State 10:00 p.m.
Oh no, CSU beat themselves again!!!
Big win by Missouri State over a top 50 RPI team. I bet that gives us a 1 or 2 place boost.
2/13/13 Wednesday
Nebraska 47
Indiana 76
Miami(OH) 70
Kent 87
Ball State 56
Northern Illinois 52
New Mexico 54
Fresno State 48
2/14/13 Thursday - all times EST
Tennessee Tech at Eastern Kentucky 7:00 p.m.
Georgia Southern at Citadel 7:05 p.m.
Oakland at South Dakota 8:00 p.m.
Murray State at Southern Illinois-Edwdsvl 8:00 p.m.
Fort Wayne at Kansas City 8:05 p.m.
IUPUI at South Dakota State 8:05 p.m.
Obviously we all have our rooting interests with the contenders, but what about the rest of the league?
Because of differing amounts of common opponents, not all HL teams are created equal. Fractionally unequal (highest RPI weight on here is 4.24, and lowest is 4.15, so not a huge range...2+%), but unequal nonetheless.
Here's a list of who we should root for in the riveting (for example) CSU-Milwaukee matchup.
for valpo's rpi's sake, root for the team higher on the list in any HL matchup:
Loyola
UIC
Milwaukee
YSU
Green Bay
CSU
WSU
Detroit
(i swear, it just came out that way. although if it didn't I still might have put detroit on the bottom anyhow.)
2/14/13 Thursday
Tennessee Tech 69
Eastern Kentucky 80
Georgia Southern 78
Citadel 57
Oakland 76
South Dakota 75
Murray State 60
Southern Illinois-Edw 65
Fort Wayne 65
Kansas City 60
IUPUI 45
South Dakota State 82
2/15/13 Friday - all times EST
*Milwaukee at Youngstown State 7:05 p.m.
*Green Bay at Cleveland State 9:00 p.m.
Could have a major upset on our hands. SIUE is leading Murray State by 5 points with 7 minutes to go in suburban St. Louis.
And SIU-E does pull off the upset 65-60 over Murray State in Edwardsville, IL.
Quote from: bbtds on February 14, 2013, 08:23:09 PM
Could have a major upset on our hands. SIUE is leading Murray State by 5 points with 7 minutes to go in suburban St. Louis.
And SIU-E does pull off the upset 65-60 over Murray State in Edwardsville, IL.
that's gonna hurt a bit. but props to edwardsville. this is only, i believe, their second year of division 1 ball.
2/15/13 Friday
Milwaukee 80
Youngstown State 94
Green Bay 66
Cleveland State 59
2/16/13 Saturday - all times EST
Kent at Ohio 11:00 a.m.
*UI-Chicago at Loyola (IL) 2:00 p.m.
Georgia Southern at Charleston 4:00 p.m.
*Detroit at Valpo 6:00 p.m.
Northern Illinois at Western Michigan 6:00 p.m.
Charlotte at Saint Louis 7:00 p.m.
Jacksonville State at Eastern Kentucky 7:00 p.m.
Murray State at Eastern Illinois 7:00 p.m.
Oakland at Kansas City 7:15 p.m.
Michigan State at Nebraska 8:00 p.m.
Fort Wayne at South Dakota 8:00 p.m.
IUPUI at North Dakota State 8:00 p.m.
Missouri State at Southern Illinois-Carb 8:05 p.m.
Boise State at New Mexico 9:00 p.m.
Pick Time!
Kent at Ohio 11:00 a.m. Bobcats unstoppable at home
*UI-Chicago at Loyola (IL) 2:00 p.m. Loyola.... but I don't know why
Georgia Southern at Charleston 4:00 p.m. Ga Southern... they won by 22 last night, they're rested
*Detroit at Valpo 6:00 p.m. er uh... OK Valpo by 10
Northern Illinois at Western Michigan 6:00 p.m. Leathernecks in a blitzkreig
Charlotte at Saint Louis 7:00 p.m. Billikens... Charlotte's had their win this week
Jacksonville State at Eastern Kentucky 7:00 p.m. Colonels... at home...
Murray State at Eastern Illinois 7:00 p.m. Murray State... because they are PO'd
Oakland at Kansas City 7:15 p.m. Oakland, still smoking in the Summit
Michigan State at Nebraska 8:00 p.m. Spartans, cough cough
Fort Wayne at South Dakota 8:00 p.m. South Dakota, over at halftime
IUPUI at North Dakota State 8:00 p.m. ND State, over before the first media timeout
Missouri State at Southern Illinois-Carb 8:05 p.m. Saluki's ... because they are at home
Boise State at New Mexico 9:00 p.m. Lobo's... don't lose in the Pit.
OK Your turn!
Quote from: talksalot on February 15, 2013, 09:05:08 PM
Pick Time!
Kent at Ohio 11:00 a.m. Bobcats unstoppable at home (I'll take Kent, they played tough in last game)
*UI-Chicago at Loyola (IL) 2:00 p.m. Loyola.... but I don't know why (UI-Chi! Loyola hasn't played well lately)
Georgia Southern at Charleston 4:00 p.m. Ga Southern... they won by 22 last night, they're rested(agree-I'll go with Eagles)
*Detroit at Valpo 6:00 p.m. er uh... OK Valpo by 10 (Valpo in a nail biter but who cares as long as we win)
Northern Illinois at Western Michigan 6:00 p.m. Leathernecks in a blitzkreig maybe Broncos in a stampede? Remember our middle name.
Charlotte at Saint Louis 7:00 p.m. Billikens... Charlotte's had their win this week(SLU's D is overwhelming)
Jacksonville State at Eastern Kentucky 7:00 p.m. Colonels... at home...(Jack State in last place, Colonels too good for them)
Murray State at Eastern Illinois 7:00 p.m. Murray State... because they are PO'd(agree-Racers bounce back)
Oakland at Kansas City 7:15 p.m. Oakland, still smoking in the Summit(agree wouldn't want to have to play Grizz now)
Michigan State at Nebraska 8:00 p.m. Spartans, cough cough (no chance for Huskers-did you see Almeida versus Zeller?)
Fort Wayne at South Dakota 8:00 p.m. South Dakota, over at halftime(agree, Masties aren't nasty enough)
IUPUI at North Dakota State 8:00 p.m. ND State, over before the first media timeout(agree, Jags will be overwhelmed by Bison)
Missouri State at Southern Illinois-Carb 8:05 p.m. Saluki's ... because they are at home(pretty much a toss-up by since it's in Little Egypt I'll go with SIU-seeeee)
Boise State at New Mexico 9:00 p.m. Lobo's... don't lose in the Pit.(agree-all Lobos)
OK Your turn!
I wonder how many of you know where the nickname Salukis comes from. Anyone?
Quote from: bbtds on February 15, 2013, 09:33:18 PMI wonder how many of you know where the nickname Salukis comes from. Anyone?
I was right that it sounded like a dog breed - but I didn't know (or didn't remember?) the whole Cairo, etc. connection.
sorry about the Bronks... I misread that as Western ILLINOIS... which would be really stupid this time of year... my humble apologizes to the Zoo'ers...as for the game... NiU would lose to most of the Western teams... Illinois, Michigan, Carolina, ... whatever...
Quote from: agibson on February 15, 2013, 10:33:39 PM
Quote from: bbtds on February 15, 2013, 09:33:18 PMI wonder how many of you know where the nickname Salukis comes from. Anyone?
I was right that it sounded like a dog breed - but I didn't know (or didn't remember?) the whole Cairo, etc. connection.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Illinois (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Illinois)
Origin of "Little Egypt" nameSouthern Illinois is also known as "Little Egypt."
The nickname "Egypt" may have arisen in the 1830s, when poor harvests in the north of the state drove people to Southern Illinois to buy grain. Others say it was because the land of the great Mississippi and Ohio River valleys were like that of Egypt's Nile delta. According to Hubbs, the nickname may date back to 1818, when a huge tract of land was purchased at the confluence of the rivers and its developers named it Cairo (/ˈkɛəroʊ/) Today, the town of Cairo still stands on the peninsula where the Ohio River joins the Mississippi. Other settlements in the area were also given names with Egyptian, Greek or Middle Eastern origins: The Southern Illinois University Salukis sports teams and towns such as Thebes, Dongola, Palestine, Lebanon, New Athens (/njuː ˈeɪθənz/), Sparta, and Karnak show the influence of classical culture. (Greek names were also related to the contemporary national pride in the new republic of the early 19th century, and were given to towns throughout the Midwest.) Egyptian names were concentrated in towns of Little Egypt but also appeared in towns further south. For instance, about 100 miles (200 km) south of Cairo, along the Mississippi, lies Memphis, Tennessee, named after the Egyptian city on the Nile.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saluki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saluki)
The Saluki, (Persian: تازی، Arabic: سلوقی) also known as the Persian Greyhound and Royal Dog of Egypt is one of the oldest known breeds of domesticated dog. The pronunciation of names of cities is somewhat interesting in Southern Illinois. Vienna, IL is pronounced
VI-anna. Exit 30 off I-57 is for Highway 146. Highway 146 runs between the twin cities of Anna-Jonesboro and Vienna. The exit is known as the Anna/
VI-anna exit (and you must remember when they pronounce the name it sounds like a Kentucky drawl).
2/16/13 Saturday
Kent 75
Ohio 78
UI-Chicago 60
Loyola (IL) 69
Georgia Southern 60
Charleston 69
Detroit 84
Valpo 74
Northern Illinois 58
Western Michigan 66
Charlotte 58
Saint Louis 76
Jacksonville State 67
Eastern Kentucky 80
Murray State 70
Eastern Illinois 79
Oakland 86
Kansas City 74
Michigan State 73
Nebraska 64
Fort Wayne 64
South Dakota 51
IUPUI 39
North Dakota State 75
Missouri State 54
Southern Illinois-Carb 62
Boise State 50
New Mexico 60
2/17/13 Sunday - all times EST
*Milwaukee at Cleveland State 2:00 p.m.
*Green Bay at Youngstown State 2:05 p.m.
Murray State sure has fallen on tough times. Another big loss to a lower level OVC team in Eastern Illinois after the even bigger loss to SIU-E. You have to wonder how the Racers could fall so far and how these losses will effect Valpo's RPI/BPI.
2/17/13 Sunday
Milwaukee 67
Cleveland State 88
Green Bay 71
Youngstown State 54
2/18/13 Monday - all times EST
Howard at Bethune-Cookman 7:30 p.m.
Quote from: bbtds on February 17, 2013, 12:14:55 AM
Murray State sure has fallen on tough times. Another big loss to a lower level OVC team in Eastern Illinois after the even bigger loss to SIU-E. You have to wonder how the Racers could fall so far and how these losses will effect Valpo's RPI/BPI.
Agreed ... that win that looked great in December has lost a little lustre. This hurts Valpo's resume because they now have only one win over a top-100 RPI team (Detroit). The good news is they get another shot against EKU and will likely see Detroit again in the HL tourney.
Unfortunately, things like this are out of Valpo's control ... they just need to keep winning games and let things sort themselves out. I know this is being discussed in another thread, but I think the Detroit loss rules out a #12 seed, but a #13 is still likely with a strong finish.
2/18/13 Monday
Howard 50
Bethune-Cookman 64
2/19/13 Tuesday - all times EST
Valpo at Loyola 8:00 p.m.
Chicago State at Nebraska-Omaha 8:00 p.m.
Northern Iowa at Missouri State 8:00 p.m.
Virginia Commonwealth at Saint Louis 9:00 p.m.
2/19/13 Tuesday
Valpo 85
Loyola (IL) 76
Chicago State 75
Nebraska-Omaha 79
Northern Iowa 69
Missouri State 63
Virginia Commonwealth 62
Saint Louis 76
2/20/13 Wednesday - all times EST
Austin Peay at Eastern Kentucky 7:00 p.m.
*Wright State at Cleveland State 7:00 p.m.
Murray State at Morehead State 7:00 p.m.
Oakland at Fort Wayne 7:00 p.m.
*UI-Chicago at Milwaukee 8:00 p.m.
2/20/12 Wednesday
Austin Peay 53
Eastern Kentucky 91
Wright State 50
Cleveland State 41
Murray State 106 2 OT
Morehead State 100
Oakland 71
Fort Wayne 77
UI-Chicago 53
Milwaukee 64
2/21/13 Thursday - all times EST
Wofford at Georgia Southern 7:00 p.m.
UIC-Milwaukee has no impact, but who do we root for in the WSU-CSU matchup? Presumably CSU, but if WSU wins do they tie GB and somehow give us an advantage? This is way over my head!
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 14, 2013, 03:48:03 PMfor valpo's rpi's sake, root for the team higher on the list in any HL matchup:
Loyola
UIC
Milwaukee
YSU
Green Bay
CSU
WSU
Detroit
this helps a little. (a
very little...CSU impact on VU: 4.17; WSU: 4.15)
OR
consider who you want in our bracket: we'll see 4 or 5 (because the only upset Milwaukee is pulling is Andy Geiger's stomach, and Loyola without Averkamp is not averGood) which, at this point:
4--WSU
5--YSU
If you don't want to see WSU in the semi, root for them to win and maybe they can get up to 3.
Or, hey, we beat 'em twice, root for them lose to ensure we don't have Green Bay fall down to the 4/5 zone.
I don't care about any other team but Detroit in regards to the conference tournament. None of the other teams can do to us what they can, and I see us mowing over our semi-final opponent at home, regardless of who it is...a la Butler last year ;)
2/21/13 Thursday
Wofford 53
Georgia Southern 47
2/22/13 Friday - all times EST
Saint Louis at Butler 7:00 p.m.
2/22/13 Friday
Saint Louis 65
Butler 61
2/23/13 Saturday - all times EST
Eastern Kentucky at Valpo 1:00 p.m.
Iowa at Nebraska 2:00 p.m.
Evansville at Wright State 2:00 p.m.
Milwaukee at IUPUI 3:00 p.m.
New Mexico at Colorado State 4:00 p.m.
South Carolina State at Bethune-Cookman 4:00 p.m.
Detroit at Wichita State 4:00 p.m.
Bradley at UI-Chicago 4:00 p.m.
Eastern Illinois at Northern Illinois 4:00 p.m.
Kent at Loyola (IL) 4:00 p.m.
Missouri State at Eastern Michigan 4:30 p.m.
Morehead State at Oakland 5:00 p.m.
Furman at Georgia Southern 7:00 p.m.
Bowling Green at Fort Wayne 7:00 p.m.
Central Michigan at Youngstown State 7:05 p.m.
South Dakota State at Murray State 8:00 p.m.
Cleveland State at Western Illinois 8:00 p.m.
Green Bay at Drake 8:05 p.m.
Texas-Pan American at Chicago State 8:30 p.m.
2/23/13 Saturday
Eastern Kentucky 60
Valpo 82
Iowa 60
Nebraska 64
Evansville 70
Wright State 58
Milwaukee 95 2 OT
IUPUI 88
New Mexico 91
Colorado State 82
South Carolina State 75
Bethune-Cookman 85
Detroit 79
Wichita State 94
Bradley 63
UI-Chicago 62
Kent 70
Loyola (IL) 63
Eastern Illinois 59
Northern Illinois 47
Missouri State 57
Eastern Michigan 54
Morehead State 79 OT
Oakland 82
Furman 61
Georgia Southern 78
Bowling Green 75
Fort Wayne 88
Central Michigan 75
Youngstown State 86
South Dakota State 62
Murray State 73
Cleveland State 60
Western Illinois 54
Green Bay 54
Drake 71
Texas-Pan American 55
Chicago State 51
2/25/13 Monday - all times EST
Savannah State at Bethune-Cookman 7:30 p.m.
OK Prediction Time ...
Eastern Kentucky at Valpo 1:00 p.m. - Valpo covers the 30 point throw down and win's by 7
Iowa at Nebraska 2:00 p.m. - Hawkeyes survive the storm in Lincoln, by 13
Evansville at Wright State 2:00 p.m. - Conlon at home...WSU by 8
Milwaukee at IUPUI 3:00 p.m. - 0-0 final score, they play rock-paper-scissors to determine winner.
New Mexico at Colorado State 4:00 p.m. - Lobos by 4 in a nice road win
South Carolina State at Bethune-Cookman 4:00 p.m. - BC just because
Detroit at Wichita State 4:00 p.m. - WSU in a Shocker!
Bradley at UI-Chicago 4:00 p.m. - UIC in triple OT
Eastern Illinois at Northern Illinois 4:00 p.m. - Eastern wins this directional tilt
Kent at Loyola (IL) 4:00 p.m. - Loyola if Ben plays, Kent if he doesn't
Missouri State at Eastern Michigan 4:30 p.m. - Can MoState finally do something to help our RPI? No. Former Hurons win
Morehead State at Oakland 5:00 p.m. - Kampi won't lose two in a row...
Furman at Georgia Southern 7:00 p.m. - GA Southern because PETA does not like Fur, Man.
Bowling Green at Fort Wayne 7:00 p.m. - Mastadons are tough to beat in the coliseum, battle for Lima / VanWert recruiting rights
Central Michigan at Youngstown State 7:05 p.m. - See how they try to find a way to play without EndrikKay ErryPay, score is meaningless
South Dakota State at Murray State 8:00 p.m. - SDState keeps Murray State on its downward plummet
Cleveland State at Western Illinois 8:00 p.m. - If nobody covers the game, does the coach still complain about losing? Leathernecks by 10
Green Bay at Drake 8:05 p.m. - GB can't win on the road... how many times do we have to keep saying that. Dogs by 6
Texas-Pan American at Chicago State 8:30 p.m. - I'm sorry, I did not realize these teams were playing, my coin landed on the edge.
In the EIU-NIU game, I say a cow comes on the court from a local farm in DeKalb, and Old MacDonald picks EI-EI-UUUUU because NIU "MOOOO"-ves over after they've been milked.
Milwaukee's first road victory of the season!
2/25/13 Monday
Savannah State 58
Bethune-Cookman 72
2/26/13 Tuesday - all times EST
*Loyola (IL) at Detroit 7:30 p.m.
*Wright State at UI-Chicago 8:00 p.m.
*Milwaukee at Green Bay 8:00 p.m.
Eastern Illinois at Chicago State 8:05 p.m.
*Youngstown State at Valpo 8:05 p.m.
Nebraska at Wisconsin 9:00 p.m.
2/26/13 Tuesday
Loyola (IL) 75
Detroit 76
Wright State 55
UI-Chicago 60
Milwaukee 61
Green Bay 78
Youngstown State 64
Valpo 73
Eastern Illinois 58
Chicago State 50
Nebraska 46
Wisconsin 77
2/27/13 Wednesday - all times EST
Buffalo at Kent 7:00 p.m.
Georgia Southern at North Carolina-Greensboro 7:00 p.m.
St. Joseph's at Saint Louis 8:00 p.m.
Eastern Michigan at Northern Illinois 8:00 p.m.
Missouri State at Illinois State 8:05 p.m.
San Diego State at New Mexico 10:15 p.m.
2/27/13 Wednesday
Buffalo 81 OT
Kent 83
Georgia Southern 66
North Carolina-Greensboro 60
St Joseph's 53
Saint Louis 70
Missouri State 50
Illinois State 86
Eastern Michigan 53
Northern Illinois 41
San Diego State 60
New Mexico 70
2/28/13 Thursday - all times EST
Detroit at Temple 7:00 p.m.
South Dakota at IUPUI 7:30 p.m.
Tennessee-Martin at Murray State 8:00 p.m.
Eastern Kentucky at Tennessee Tech 8:30 p.m.
2/28/13 Thursday
Detroit 78
Temple 83
South Dakota 87
IUPUI 69
Tennessee-Martin 69
Murray State 68
Eastern Kentucky 69
Tennessee Tech 54
3/2/13 Saturday - all times EST
*Detroit at UI-Chicago 2:00 p.m.
Georgia Southern at Davidson 2:00 p.m.
*Youngstown State at Wright State 2:00 p.m.
Kent at Miami (OH) 3:00 p.m.
*Cleveland State at Loyola (IL) 3:00 p.m.
*Valpo at Green Bay 3:00 p.m.
Saint Louis at George Washington 4:00 p.m.
Wyoming at New Mexico 5:00 p.m.
Nebraska at Illinois 5:15 p.m.
Bethune-Cookman at Norfolk State 6:00 p.m.
Fort Wayne at Oakland 6:00 p.m.
Kansas City at IUPUI 7:30 p.m.
Central Michigan at Northern Illinois 8:00 p.m.
Bradley at Missouri State 8:05 p.m.
Southeast Missouri State at Murray State 8:30 p.m.
Eastern Kentucky at Tennessee State 8:30 p.m.
Chicago State at Utah Valley 9:05 p.m.
and our opponents go 1-3. We were watching the Nolan-RPI update immediately following the Owl Free Throw Contest over Ray(s) and our RPI did not budge... the only thing that changed was the UDM Streak went from one win to one loss. We did drop about 5 since that game... because of the other losses, Murray State sure has fallen on hard times. Nice win for EKyU... be nice if they could beat Belmont in the OVC tourney.
3/2/13 Saturday
Detroit 79
UI-Chicago 67
Georgia Southern 48
Davidson 83
Youngstown State 45
Wright State 72
Kent 78
Miami (OH) 58
Cleveland State 57
Loyola (IL) 86
Valpo 75
Green Bay 56
Saint Louis 66
George Washington 58
Wyoming 42
New Mexico 53
Nebraska 65
Illinois 72
Bethune-Cookman 61
Norfolk State 62
Fort Wayne 74
Oakland 72
Kansas City 48
IUPUI 44
Central Michigan 69
Northern Illinois 50
Bradley 56
Missouri State 64
Southeast Missouri State 84
Murray State 68
Eastern Kentucky 81 OT
Tennessee State 85
Chicago State 69
Utah Valley 76
3/4/13 Monday - all times EST
Bethune-Cookman at Hampton 8:00 p.m.
Quote from: talksalot on March 01, 2013, 08:41:15 AM
and our opponents go 1-3. We were watching the Nolan-RPI update immediately following the Owl Free Throw Contest over Ray(s) and our RPI did not budge... the only thing that changed was the UDM Streak went from one win to one loss. We did drop about 5 since that game... because of the other losses, Murray State sure has fallen on hard times. Nice win for EKyU... be nice if they could beat Belmont in the OVC tourney.
The RPI there does update fast, within minutes. But I think he warns that the game results update faster.
But, anyway, that was my recollection also - Temple had an RPI in the right place for a road loss not to touch Detroit.
Sandwiched around their bracketbuster win over Morehead St the Golden Grizzlies (rumored to be joining the Horizon League in the fall of 2013) of Oakland lose twice to the Mastadons of Ft Wayne by a total of 8 points, 77-71 at the Coliseum in Ft Wayne and 74-72 at the O'Rena in Rochester.
Murray (20-9/10-6) took it on the chin again. They've lost 5 of their last 10. Last two were at home. EKU a loser as well.
So this morning we have moved up to 66 in the Sagarins while the Horizon maintains a .12 lead over the WAC for 12th. This is good! We are now ranked higher than 15 conference leaders and very close to four others. We need some help in conference tourneys. Cheer against Akron, Belmont Middle Tennessee and Denver!
Here's a question: with their crushing loss Butler has now dropped to 52. If they lose is round one or two of the A-10, do they get an at-large bid? I think they have to be on the bubble.
Quote from: vu72 on March 03, 2013, 08:11:36 AMHere's a question: with their crushing loss Butler has now dropped to 52. If they lose is round one or two of the A-10, do they get an at-large bid? I think they have to be on the bubble.
Just a reminder, Butler was not one of our opponents this year and this thread is about "Valpo opponents' scores, not Butler's chances of making the tourney. Please keep these comments to the Butler thread. When do we start the Indiana State or Ball State thread?
Quote from: historyman on March 03, 2013, 04:52:08 PM
Quote from: vu72 on March 03, 2013, 08:11:36 AMHere's a question: with their crushing loss Butler has now dropped to 52. If they lose is round one or two of the A-10, do they get an at-large bid? I think they have to be on the bubble.
Just a reminder, Butler was not one of our opponents this year and this thread is about "Valpo opponents' scores, not Butler's chances of making the tourney. Please keep these comments to the Butler thread. When do we start the Indiana State or Ball State thread?
Well excuse me! When did you become the moderator? It was just a side note. So sorry I offended your structured, "please stay within the lines--the lines are our friends" life.
3/4/13 Monday
Bethune-Cookman 66
Hampton 75
3/5/13 Tuesday - all times EST
Bowling Green at Kent 7:00 p.m.
Northern Illinois at Toledo 7:00 p.m.
*Loyola (IL) at Youngstown State 7:05 p.m.
*Cleveland State at UI-Chicago 8:00 p.m.
*Milwaukee at Green Bay 8:00 p.m.
3/5/13 Tuesday
Bowling Green 61
Kent 69
Northern Illinois 46
Toledo 70
Loyola (IL) 60
Youngstown State 62
Cleveland State 59
UI-Chicago 82
Milwaukee 46
Green Bay 62
3/6/13 Wednesday - all times EST
Minnesota at Nebraska 9:00 p.m.
Saint Louis at Xavier 9:00 p.m.
New Mexico at Nevada 10:00 p.m.
Was looking at other sources about scores from last night, and the actual final score for CSU-UIC is 82-59 for UIC.
3/6/13 Wednesday
Minnesota 51
Nebraska 53
Saint Louis 66 OT
Xavier 77
New Mexico 75
Nevada 62
3/7/13 Thursday - all times EST
Bethune-Cookman at Coppin State 7:30 p.m.
Southeast Missouri State at Eastern Kentucky 9:00 p.m.
Southern Illinois-Carb at Missouri State 9:30 p.m.
Quote from: bbtds on March 02, 2013, 07:11:23 PMSandwiched around their bracketbuster win over Morehead St the Golden Grizzlies (rumored to be joining the Horizon League in the fall of 2013) of Oakland lose twice to the Mastadons of Ft Wayne by a total of 8 points, 77-71 at the Coliseum in Ft Wayne and 74-72 at the O'Rena in Rochester.
And they have to play them again in the first round of the Mid-Con, er, Summit, tournament.
Huskers beat the Gophers 53-51 and X-SLU in OT tied at 59... and X scored first... Thank you Nebraska! Come on you Billikens!
Nebraska just beat Minnesota, a team that beat Indiana. That should help! ;)
Quote from: vu72 on March 06, 2013, 10:18:25 PM
Nebraska just beat Minnesota, a team that beat Indiana. That should help! ;)
That's 5 B1G wins for Nebraska. That's pretty impressive since many on this board said they wouldn't get any B1G wins at all or maybe 1 or 2.
I actually think Husker Coach Tim Miles, who took a gamble taking a low end B1G job which could be a career dead end after his success at Colorado State and North Dakota State, has Nebraska headed in the right direction.
FYI, because of the conference tournaments schedules are changing from day to day and games could get added as Valpo's opponents find out who they will play.
Quote from: bbtds on March 06, 2013, 11:24:34 PMmany on this board said they wouldn't get any B1G wins at all or maybe 1 or 2.
I'd have been one of those. I'm glad I was wrong...
...but that still doesn't mean A) they are any good and B) we should have lost that game.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on March 07, 2013, 06:20:24 AM
Quote from: bbtds on March 06, 2013, 11:24:34 PMmany on this board said they wouldn't get any B1G wins at all or maybe 1 or 2.
I'd have been one of those. I'm glad I was wrong...
...but that still doesn't mean A) they are any good and B) we should have lost that game.
I agree with all points...They're still not good, and Valpo should not have lost.
Quote from: milanmiracle on March 07, 2013, 08:29:30 AM
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on March 07, 2013, 06:20:24 AM
Quote from: bbtds on March 06, 2013, 11:24:34 PMmany on this board said they wouldn't get any B1G wins at all or maybe 1 or 2.
I'd have been one of those. I'm glad I was wrong...
...but that still doesn't mean A) they are any good and B) we should have lost that game.
I agree with all points...They're still not good, and Valpo should not have lost.
Yeah but now the loss doesn't look
AS bad...
I was also someone who thought they wouldn't win a game. I will say that I am surprised and happy that they have won 5. I know that their program is heading in the right direction, but we should have won by 10+ this year...
What do you think we would be ranked if we would have gone undefeated in the regular season. I know we lost 7 but going undefeated wouldn't have been impossible, unlikely yes but not impossible. I personally think we could be in the top 15 if not top 10 possibly top 5 unlikely number 1.
If we ever went undefeated, it would probably be similar to what Murray State was ranked last year. I believe they got into the 12-15 range?
Quote from: truth219 on March 07, 2013, 11:49:54 AM
What do you think we would be ranked if we would have gone undefeated in the regular season. I know we lost 7 but going undefeated wouldn't have been impossible, unlikely yes but not impossible. I personally think we could be in the top 15 if not top 10 possibly top 5 unlikely number 1.
Huh - funny hypothetical. Our SOS would still be really mediocre, 179th in the nation, but the polls do love an undefeated team.
Our overall RPI (I'm pretty sure I've got it correct) would be 22nd in the nation, ahead of Belmont. That's ignoring the effect of those seven changes on the RPI of other teams.
Going completely undefeated is really hard, but I suppose there are examples of teams from weak conferences that have come close.
This season the closest comparisons (high RPI teams with bad SOS) might include Gonzaga (28-2, RPI 7, SOS 78), MTSU (27-4, RPI 24, SOS 127), LA Tech (25-3, RPI 45, SOS 210).
LA Tech was briefly ranked. Gonzaga's done OK, of course.
We'd have two solid wins: at New Mexico and at St. Louis (ranked ~12th and ~16th in the polls).
Probably top 20? Probably not top 10? But it's pretty hard to say what the novelty of being undefeated would do for us. We'd definitely be getting a lot of attention.
The last "novelty" undefeated team I notice in the polls this year was Wyoming, briefly in the top 25 at 13-0 in early January. They're now 16-12 (ouch!) with an RPI ranking of 74.
Quote from: valpotx on March 07, 2013, 12:23:12 PM
If we ever went undefeated, it would probably be similar to what Murray State was ranked last year. I believe they got into the 12-15 range?
Ah - nice. That's probably about right. Their SOS was a little better, at 146th, but that included the tourney run. So, a pretty reasonable comparison.
They had one conference loss (at home!), a couple more top-50 wins, maybe only one ranked win. D1 record 27-1 going into the NCAA tournament.
3/7/13 Thursday
Bethune-Cookman 61
Coppin State 69
S. E. Missouri State 69
Eastern Kentucky 84
Southern Illinois-Carb 53
Missouri State 61
3/8/13 Friday - all times EST
Georgia Southern vs Wofford (at Asheville, NC) 11:30 a.m.
*Youngstown State vs Wright State (at Valpo) 6:00 p.m.
Kent at Akron 7:00 p.m.
Missouri State vs Wichita State (at St. Louis) 7:05 p.m.
*UI-Chicago vs Green Bay (at Valpo) 8:30 p.m.
Eastern Kentucky vs Murray State (at Nashville) 9:00 p.m.
Eye on the Conference Tournaments (that are relevant)
Skipping the 1st round and/or play-in games
Friday, March 8
Team in bold is the team to root for
OVC
#4 Tennessee St
#1 Belmont
#3 Eastern Kentucky
#2 Murray State
WCC
#4 Santa Clara
#9 Loyola Marymount
#3 BYU
#6 San Diego
MVC
#1 Creighton
#9 DRAKE (as in Nick and the bad seeds)
#4 Evansville
#5 Indiana State
#3 Northern Iowa
#6 Illinois State
#2 Wichita State
#7 Missouri State
Quote from: bbtds on March 08, 2013, 01:24:53 AM
3/8/13 Friday
Georgia Southern . at Asheville, NC
Wofford .
Youngstown State . at Valpo
Wright State .
Kent .
Akron .
Missouri State . at St. Louis
Wichita State .
UI-Chicago . at Valpo
Green Bay .
Eastern Kentucky . at Nashville
Murray State .
3/9/13 Saturday
LaSalle at Saint Louis 1:30 p.m.
Northern Illinois at Ball State 2:00 p.m.
Nebraska at Iowa 2:21 p.m.
New Mexico at Air Force 6:00 p.m.
IUPUI vs South Dakota State (at Sioux Falls, SD) 7:00 p.m.
Chicago State at Houston Baptist 8:05 p.m.
Other games will be added when the results of the Friday games are known
Did anyone think that pot would have an impact on our potential seed? I don't follow Akron that close but this guy is their starting PG averaging over 30 min a game. The drop off in stats to their backup PG is staggering.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9029837/akron-suspends-alex-abreu-following-marijuana-trafficking-arrest (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9029837/akron-suspends-alex-abreu-following-marijuana-trafficking-arrest)
Quote from: valpocleveland on March 08, 2013, 07:29:22 AM
Did anyone think that pot would have an impact on our potential seed? I don't follow Akron that close but this guy is their starting PG averaging over 30 min a game. The drop off in stats to their backup PG is staggering.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9029837/akron-suspends-alex-abreu-following-marijuana-trafficking-arrest (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9029837/akron-suspends-alex-abreu-following-marijuana-trafficking-arrest)
Kent St vs Akron... if Akron loses, Valpo's RPI goes up with Kent St, Detroit goes down because they beat Akron.
Kent St's RPI impact of Valpo's is quite high, actually at 1.05. Akron's is 0.40 to Detroit. Both teams are around .10 to the other. So I believe either way, both teams RPI increases?
But if Akron loses two straight, they could probably wave an at-large goodbye. If they win their conference tourney, they'll be seeded higher than Valpo
Kent St doing some work right now on the road. Going to write down the RPIs of Detroit and Valpo right before it gets update on rpiforecast :p
...
Kent St Wins!
Before:
58 Detroit 0.5691
62 Valparaiso 0.5656
After:
58 Detroit 0.5686
62 Valparaiso 0.5659
Not an opponent of ours (this season), but Loyola Marymount, who went 8-22, 1-15 in the WCC, and ended the season on a 14 game losing streak, just won their third straight in three days.
Meanwhile, on the crazy play at the end of Indiana State-Evansville, the guys on ESPNU (Gaudio, Lunardi, and I don't remember the other guy's name) commented: did Homer Drew draw up this play!?
re LMU: yeah and we didn't really want them too :/
we got upsets in the games we weren't wanting them and vice versa :?
Aye on the Conference Tournaments (that are relevant)
Skipping the 1st round and/or play-in games
Friday, March 8
Team in bold is/was the team to root for
OVC
#4 Tennessee St
#1 Belmont
#3 Eastern Kentucky
#2 Murray State HUZZAH!
WCC
#4 Santa Clara
#9 Loyola Marymount
#3 BYU
#6 San Diego HUZZAH!
MVC
#1 Creighton
#9 DRAKE (as in Nick and the bad seeds)
#4 Evansville
#5 Indiana State
#3 Northern Iowa
#6 Illinois State HUZZAH!
#2 Wichita State
#7 Missouri State
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on March 08, 2013, 10:58:01 PMre LMU: yeah and we didn't really want them too :/
Why??? They are the worst team
left in the WCC and would
probably absolutely slot in behind us on the S-Curve, moving us up a spot. Also in the WCC right now, San Diego is up on BYU. They are 13-17 with an RPI of 178 and would finish behind us.
We want one of these two teams to somehow win that tournament.
In fact, we just want carnage in every conference tournament. The more bad teams that secure auto-bids, the more teams would slot in below us and bump us up seed lines. (I think that might have been mentioned...not sure ;)...and I'm too damn lazy to look :))
Quote from: ValpoHoops on March 08, 2013, 11:12:49 PM
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on March 08, 2013, 10:58:01 PMre LMU: yeah and we didn't really want them too :/
Why??? They are the worst team left in the WCC and would probably absolutely slot in behind us on the S-Curve, moving us up a spot. Also in the WCC right now, San Diego is up on BYU. They are 13-17 with an RPI of 178 and would finish behind us.
We want one of these two teams to somehow win that tournament.
In fact, we just want carnage in every conference tournament. The more bad teams that secure auto-bids, the more teams would slot in below us and bump us up seed lines. (I think that might have been mentioned...not sure ;)...and I'm too damn lazy to look :))
let's not forget though that this only works with the one-bid conferences. if it happens in a multi-bid league, it throws all kinds of wrenches into things.
Because Santa Clara is absolutely behind us too, and they match up better with Gonzaga!
They're the best of the teams that would be behind us on the S-curve. LMU is too, but how long can their luck & legs hold out?
LMU lost 88 to FORTY THREE to the 'Zags. At HOME.
The OVC title game could very likely swing a seed for Valpo. If Murray State pulls off the upset, that adds an additional team into the field below them. Valpo also gets the slight RPI boost from the Murray St win. It might be all that's needed to put Valpo in as a 13. Oh, and two impressive Crusader victories are also a necessity.
Quote from: vuweathernerd on March 08, 2013, 11:22:56 PM
Quote from: ValpoHoops on March 08, 2013, 11:12:49 PM
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on March 08, 2013, 10:58:01 PMre LMU: yeah and we didn't really want them too :/
Why??? They are the worst team left in the WCC and would probably absolutely slot in behind us on the S-Curve, moving us up a spot. Also in the WCC right now, San Diego is up on BYU. They are 13-17 with an RPI of 178 and would finish behind us.
We want one of these two teams to somehow win that tournament.
In fact, we just want carnage in every conference tournament. The more bad teams that secure auto-bids, the more teams would slot in below us and bump us up seed lines. (I think that might have been mentioned...not sure ;)...and I'm too damn lazy to look :))
let's not forget though that this only works with the one-bid conferences. if it happens in a multi-bid league, it throws all kinds of wrenches into things.
Again, Why?
The more bad auto-bid teams there are, the more we move up. An "extra" team from the WCC would knock out a bubble team, and have ZERO effect on us.
Someone used an example earlier:
These five teams are ranked in this order:
1. Michigan
2. North Carolina
3. Colorado
4. Valpo
5. Manhattan
6. Loyola Marymount
There are four bids available.
In option 1, Valpo wins their conference tournament and the top three teams are at-larges. Hence, Valpo would be the #4
In option 2, Loyola Marymount ALSO wins their conference tournament. This means Colorado doesn't have a spot as an at large, AND Valpo would be #3.
We need as many BAD teams to occupy the #16/15/14 lines as possible. It doesn't matter how many teams from that league might end up getting in...a bad team getting in simply knocks out an at-large bid (if that league was a multi bid, at least)...knock out an at large with a 4-26 team and everyone else slides up a line.
Seriously, we should be rooting for the worst teams to win every league.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on March 08, 2013, 11:25:33 PMBecause Santa Clara is absolutely behind us too, and they match up better with Gonzaga!
I know what you're saying (and I had the idea that's what you meant all along, just had to say it :))....personally, I think they can go ahead and engrave the trophy for Gonzaga. I don't see either of those teams beating Gonzaga (they beat Santa Clara by 43 two weeks ago...I sense a theme there)
All I really want...
(http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/30066396.jpg)
This is the easiest way to follow. Root against, Akron, Belmont, Bucknell, Davidson, La Tech, Middle Tennessee St, and SF Austin. Look for these teams each day in opponent's schedule (Apostle can you get these teams listed in there)? Thanks awesome. Remember root for the Crusaders and root against these other aforementioned squads.
Quote from: chef on March 08, 2013, 11:41:54 PM
This is the easiest way to follow. Root against, Akron, Belmont, Bucknell, Davidson, La Tech, Middle Tennessee St, and SF Austin. Look for these teams each day in opponent's schedule (Apostle can you get these teams listed in there)? Thanks awesome. Remember root for the Crusaders and root against these other aforementioned squads.
Yessir. When in doubt, root for the worse team. GO PENN STATE!
Quote from: chef on March 08, 2013, 11:41:54 PM(Apostle can you get these teams listed in there)?
Yeah, I'm not going to rain on bbtds' thing, but I will add the daily conf tourney look.
I on the Relevant Conference Tournaments
Skipping the 1st round and/or play-in games
Saturday, March 9
Team in bold is the team to root for
OVC
#1 Belmont
#2 Murray State
WCC
#1 Gonzaga
#9 Loyola Marymount
#6 San Diego
#2 St. Mary's
MVC
#1 Creighton
#5 Indiana State
#6 Illinois State
#2 Wichita State
Patriot
#1 Bucknell
#4 Army
#3 Lehigh
#2 Lafayette
Sun Belt
#1 Middle Tenn St
#8 UL-Lafayette
SoCon
#1 Davidson
#9 Ga Southern
America East
#1 Stony Brook
#8 Binghamton
Summit
#1 S Dak St
#8 IUPUI
#2 N Dak St
#7 UMKC
#3 Western Ill
#6 S Dak
Quote from: chef on March 08, 2013, 11:41:54 PM
This is the easiest way to follow. Root against, Akron, Belmont, Bucknell, Davidson, La Tech, Middle Tennessee St, and SF Austin. Look for these teams each day in opponent's schedule (Apostle can you get these teams listed in there)? Thanks awesome. Remember root for the Crusaders and root against these other aforementioned squads.
Denver (64) and New Mexico State (59) winning the WAC over Louisiana Tech could also be problematic.
BYU in the WCC over Gonzaga would definitely push them above a potential Valpo tourney team. Better to have either Gonzaga or St Mary's winning that.
Root against teams you mentioned. Doubt Davidson is going to get a lower seed than 14.
Could cheer for Indiana St not to win MVC. That could result in a decent seed.
All this thinking and seed calculation might be a bit premature. Feels too much like counting outs in baseball or putting a magic number up.
3/8/13 Friday
Georgia Southern 60 at Asheville, NC
Wofford 44
Youngstown State 59 at Valpo
Wright State 66
Kent 68
Akron 64
Missouri State 59 at St. Louis
Wichita State 69
UI-Chicago 63 at Valpo
Green Bay 64
Eastern Kentucky 73 at Nashville
Murray State 81
3/9/13 Saturday
Georgia Southern vs Davidson (at Asheville, NC) 12:00 p.m.
LaSalle at Saint Louis 1:30 p.m.
Northern Illinois at Ball State 2:00 p.m.
Nebraska at Iowa 2:21 p.m.
New Mexico at Air Force 6:00 p.m.
Wright State vs Detroit (at Valpo) 6:00 p.m.
IUPUI vs South Dakota State (at Sioux Falls, SD) 7:00 p.m.
Murray State vs Belmont (at Nashville) 7:00 p.m.
Chicago State at Houston Baptist 8:05 p.m.
Green Bay at Valpo 8:30 p.m.
Teams to root against
3/9/13 Saturday
Georgia Southern vs Davidson (at Asheville, NC) 12:00 p.m.
Army at Bucknell 4:30 p.m.
Murray State vs Belmont (at Nashville) 7:00 p.m.
Louisiana Tech at Denver 7:00 p.m.
Texas A&M-Corpus Christi at Stephen F Austin 7:00 p.m.
Louisiana-Lafayette vs Middle Tennessee State (at Hot Springs, AR) 7:30 p.m.
Davidson and Valpo will have very simliar RPI's if both win their conference tournaments. Better safe than sorry, If I'm a Valpo fan, I'm rooting against Davidson. Trying to project the difference between a 13 seed and 14 seed is really a crapshoot. Davidson, Valpo, SF Austin and even Bucknell could go either way. Everybody's rooting for Murray St. tomorrow....unless you're a bubble team.
3/9/13 Saturday
Georgia Southern 59
Davidson 86
LaSalle 54
Saint Louis 78
Northern Illinois 51
Ball State 53
Nebraska 60
Iowa 74
New Mexico 88
Air Force 89
Wright State 56
Detroit 54
IUPUI 49
South Dakota State 66
Murray State 68
Belmont 70
Chicago State 71
Houston Baptist 58
Green Bay 69-69-69-69-69 just in case you missed it 69
Valpo 70-70-70-70-70 70
3/10/13 Sunday - all times EDT
Fort Wayne vs Oakland (at Sioux Falls, SD) 7:00 p.m.
Teams to root against
3/9/13 Saturday
Georgia Southern 59
Davidson 86
Army 70
Bucknell 78
Murray State 68
Belmont 70
Louisiana Tech 54
Denver 78
Texas A&M-Corpus Christi 49
Stephen F Austin 58
Louisiana-Lafayette 66
Middle Tennessee State 81
Quote from: bbtds on March 09, 2013, 12:28:25 AMKent 68
Akron 64
And here I'm all excited. Of course, Akron's first tournament game isn't until _next_ Friday.
Quote from: agibson on March 09, 2013, 12:40:24 PMQuote from: bbtds on March 09, 2013, 12:28:25 AMKent 68
Akron 64
And here I'm all excited. Of course, Akron's first tournament game isn't until _next_ Friday.
Yes, but a win for Kent and a loss for Akron are good things for Valpo as far as the selection committee is concerned. Of course, a MAC tourney loss for Akron would be even better.
I on the Relevant Conference Tournaments
Skipping the 1st round and/or play-in games
Saturday, March 9
Team in bold is the team to root for
OVC
#1 Belmont
#2 Murray State SCREW YOU MURRAY STATE YOU MANAGE A GAME LIKE RAY MCCALLUM
WCC
#1 Gonzaga
#9 Loyola Marymount
#6 San Diego
#2 St. Mary's
MVC
#1 Creighton
#5 Indiana State
#6 Illinois State
#2 Wichita State
Patriot
#1 Bucknell
#4 Army
#3 Lehigh
#2 Lafayette HUZZAH! NOW BEAT BUCKNELL!!!
Sun Belt
#1 Middle Tenn St
#8 UL-Lafayette
SoCon
#1 Davidson
#9 Ga Southern
America East
#1 Stony Brook
#8 Binghamton
Summit
#1 S Dak St
#8 IUPUI
#3 Western Ill
#6 S Dak
3/10/13 Sunday
Fort Wayne 91 at Sioux Falls, SD
Oakland 72
3/11/13 Monday - all times EDT
Northern Illinois at Eastern Michigan 7:00 p.m.
Teams to root against
3/10/13 Sunday
Appalachian State 62 at Asheville, NC
Davidson 65
Florida International 61 at Hot Springs, AR
Middle Tennessee State 57
Appalachian St leads Davidson by 2 at half in a SoCon semifinal game from Asheville, NC
EDIT: Appy St loses by three to Davidson
2nd EDIT: This game looks a lot better for Valpo,
FL Intn'l leads Mid Tenn by 9 at half in the Sun Belt semifinal at Hot Springs, AR
Big one giong on in the Sun Belt...six minutes left and Middle Tennessee State is down nine! They are RPI #21 (probably an at-large), but if they lose, that will shift us up a spot on the S-Curve....GO FIU!
(Edit: Sorry bbtds...didn't see your edit first...)
Watching on the Sun Belt Network. Would move Valpo up to a 13 in most projections in FIU hangs on.
Quote from: chef on March 10, 2013, 08:26:35 PM
Watching on the Sun Belt Network. Would move Valpo up to a 13 in most projections in FIU hangs on.
For any interested:
http://www.sunbeltondemand.com/# (http://www.sunbeltondemand.com/#)!/view/video/ca403fbd-cc02-4620-97d6-709c7f38bc50/Middle-Tennessee-vs-FIU
FIU 61
MTSU 57
Thank you for playing!
Caught the end of that one on espn3 actually. And man did the refs miss a terrible travel by FIU with about 25 seconds left! Good to see this upset, not so good for teams sitting on the bubble.
Nice! I think Lunardi has MTSU on the Bubble. But, whoever gets the auto-bid should definitely be below us.
Let's get another one or two, for some breathing room!
Something tells me by the time the majors get done with their tournaments, middle tenn will be off the bubble
http://espn.go.com/ncb/recap?id=330692619 (http://espn.go.com/ncb/recap?id=330692619)
stony brook goes down. another competitor bites the homeric dust...
Love it when the teams wearing the dark unis win this time of year :thumbsup:
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on March 10, 2013, 09:28:42 PMstony brook goes down. another competitor bites the homeric dust...
Nice! We were _probably_ past them anyway, I'd think. But, it doesn't hurt to remove a little competition.
At the half in Sioux Falls, SD:
UMKC (8-23, 5-11, RPI #283) | | 22 |
| N. Dakota State (22-8, 12-4, RPI #77) | | 19 |
Would be another team "close" to us in RPI that we would "get rid of" having to worry about. SDSU is #76 and plays IPFW in the semis tomorrow.
Quote from: ValpoHoops on March 10, 2013, 09:33:46 PM
Love it when the teams wearing the dark unis win this time of year :thumbsup:
And in this case, Albany was playing AT HOME against the #1 seed in the semifinals. This makes zero sense to me. :crazy:
Quote from: valpo4life on March 10, 2013, 09:48:33 PM
Quote from: ValpoHoops on March 10, 2013, 09:33:46 PM
Love it when the teams wearing the dark unis win this time of year :thumbsup:
And in this case, Albany was playing AT HOME against the #1 seed in the semifinals. This makes zero sense to me. :crazy:
Predetermined site. Albany plays at the Pepsi Center (I think that's what its called). A large arena...they've hosted NCAA first/second rounds in the past there. It's a home game, but a single site tournament.
But the final for that conference is hosted by the highest seed remaining. I don't know, I just don't like having all the pre-finals rounds at one site and then move to wherever. If you are going to pick a single site then stay there throughout the whole tournament.
Quote from: valpo4life on March 10, 2013, 10:16:08 PM
But the final for that conference is hosted by the highest seed remaining. I don't know, I just don't like having all the pre-finals rounds at one site and then move to wherever. If you are going to pick a single site then stay there throughout the whole tournament.
Agree 1000%. They move in case someone other than the host is playing so they can get the best crowd possible. Think if WSU/UWGB would be playing on Tuesday at the ARC how bad the crowd might be...so they move on.
Quote from: ValpoHoops on March 10, 2013, 10:20:06 PM
Quote from: valpo4life on March 10, 2013, 10:16:08 PM
But the final for that conference is hosted by the highest seed remaining. I don't know, I just don't like having all the pre-finals rounds at one site and then move to wherever. If you are going to pick a single site then stay there throughout the whole tournament.
Agree 1000%. They move in case someone other than the host is playing so they can get the best crowd possible. Think if WSU/UWGB would be playing on Tuesday at the ARC how bad the crowd might be...so they move on.
Great point...a WSU/GB final at the ARC would have been horrible for the HL on ESPN.
3/11/13 Monday
Northern Illinois 44
Eastern Michigan 45
Fort Wayne 56 Summit League Tourney played at Sioux Falls Arena, SD
South Dakota State 72 (will include South Dakota State in "Teams to root against" section)
3/12/13 Tuesday - all times EDT
Coppin State vs Bethune-Cookman (at Norfolk) 4:00 p.m.
*Wright State at Valpo 9:00 p.m. #1 seed host of HL championship game
Teams to root against
3/11/13 Monday
Charleston 55 at Asheville, NC
Davidson 74
Outside of their NCAA tournament games, one of the biggest games St. Mary's will ever play is against Gonzaga tonight for the WCC championship at 9:00 p.m. EDT at Las Vegas. Obviously win or lose Gonzaga is in but St. Mary's chance at the Big Dance at 27-5 could ride on this game.
When a new trucking company opened up on the east coast they were asked by one of their new shippers if they could deliver from the east coast to the west coast in 24 hours. The new trucking company's response was the same as their name: Norfolk and Way
3/12/13 Tuesday
Coppin State 78 (MEAC 1st round at Norfolk)
Bethune-Cookman 89
Wright State 54 (HL championship at Valpo)
Valpo 62
3/13/13 Wednesday - all times EDT
Bethune-Cookman at Norfolk State(16-0 in MEAC) 6:00 p.m. (MEAC 2nd round at Norfolk)
Teams to root against
3/12/13 Tuesday
North Dakota State 67 (Summit League championship at Sioux Falls Arena, SD)
South Dakota State 73
3/13/13 Wednesday - all times EDT
Lafayette at Bucknell (Patriot League championship at #1 seed) 7:30 p.m.
3/13/13 Wednesday
Bethune-Cookman 70 OT (MEAC Quarterfinal at Norfolk)
Norfolk State 68
Wyoming 46 (Mountain West Quarterfinal at Las Vegas 9:30 p.m. EDT)
New Mexico 59
3/14/13 Thursday - all times EDT
Nebraska vs Purdue (B1G 1st round at United Center, Chicago) 6:30 p.m.
Teams to root against
3/13/13 Wednesday
Lafayette 56 (Patriot League Final at #1 seed)
Bucknell 64
WarrenNolan.com Facebook Page
about an hour ago
Just been told that server issue should be resolved in less than 60 minutes...
And they're back... And we're down to 60 - not sure what changed. Some dispute about UMass ' RPI, apparently.
Wow. Norfolk State, who Bethune Cookman currently trails by 6, went 16-0 in conference.
And their RPI rank is 166.
Strength of Schedule ranking? _331_
Well done Bethune Cookman! Knocking off Norfolk State in overtime, and ending the second longest win streak in the NCAA. Some team in North Carolina has the longest.
Bethune-Cookman knocked off Norfolk State??????? Norfolk and Cookman Way!!!!!!!!!!!
3/14/13 Thursday
Nebraska 57 (B1G 1st round at United Center, Chicago)
Purdue 55
Buffalo 68 (MAC Quarterfinal at Cleveland)
Kent 70
3/15/13 Friday - all times EDT
Chicago State vs Texas-Pan American (Great West Semifinal at Chicago) 8:30 p.m.
San Diego State vs New Mexico (Mountain West Semifinal at Las Vegas) 9:00 p.m.
Teams to root against
3/14/13 Thursday
Texas State 72 (WAC Quarterfinals at Las Vegas-all below)
Denver 68
New Mexico State 65
Idaho 49
Texas-San Antonio 73
Louisiana Tech 67
I think the whole rest of the WAC is in action today, too? It's not completely clear how to cheer. I suppose it's too much to ask for all of Denver, New Mexico State, and Louisiana State to lose?
Quote from: agibson on March 14, 2013, 12:33:38 PM
I think the whole rest of the WAC is in action today, too? It's not completely clear how to cheer. I suppose it's too much to ask for all of Denver, New Mexico State, and Louisiana State to lose?
New Mexico St is playing Idaho & Louisiana Tech is playing Texas-San Anton.
Quote from: agibson on March 14, 2013, 12:33:38 PM
I think the whole rest of the WAC is in action today, too? It's not completely clear how to cheer. I suppose it's too much to ask for all of Denver, New Mexico State, and Louisiana State to lose?
The seeding benefit would only happen if Louisiana Tech, Denver, AND New Mexico St all lost. Utah St., Texas Arlington, Texas San Antonio, or Texas St would have to win the WAC tournament. If Denver, NM St, or Utah State gets upset (but one of those wins) it may move us to a better lower RPI since they're all right under Valpo.
Denver goes down in the quarterfinals to the hands of Texas State 72-68.
Neb over Purdue 57-55
Quote from: a3uge on March 14, 2013, 05:07:39 PMThe seeding benefit would only happen if Louisiana Tech, Denver, AND New Mexico St all lost.
Like I said, it seems like a lot to ask. But, hey, we're on track so far. Four more games to get two pretty good teams to lose to two lesser teams.
Our RPI did jump ahead of Denver's, but since they're out of contention I doubt it really changes much. Maybe we seem a little closer to e.g. Bucknell now?
But, hey, 58 - not bad. And New Mexico State might drop below us even if they beat 265 Texas State.
Memphis and Southern Miss weren't as accommodating as Denver, unfortunately.
Quote from: agibson on March 14, 2013, 08:10:51 PM
Quote from: a3uge on March 14, 2013, 05:07:39 PMThe seeding benefit would only happen if Louisiana Tech, Denver, AND New Mexico St all lost.
Like I said, it seems like a lot to ask. But, hey, we're on track so far. Four more games to get two pretty good teams to lose to two lesser teams.
Our RPI did jump ahead of Denver's, but since they're out of contention I doubt it really changes much. Maybe we seem a little closer to e.g. Bucknell now?
But, hey, 58 - not bad. And New Mexico State might drop below us even if they beat 265 Texas State.
Memphis and Southern Miss weren't as accommodating as Denver, unfortunately.
3auge, you are focused WAY to much on just the rpi. The other WAC teams are not close to Valpo in other systems. Denver was the dog in the fight and they when home very unexpectedly and in the quarter-finals.
Quote from: vu72 on March 14, 2013, 08:18:03 PM
Quote from: agibson on March 14, 2013, 08:10:51 PM
Quote from: a3uge on March 14, 2013, 05:07:39 PMThe seeding benefit would only happen if Louisiana Tech, Denver, AND New Mexico St all lost.
Like I said, it seems like a lot to ask. But, hey, we're on track so far. Four more games to get two pretty good teams to lose to two lesser teams.
Our RPI did jump ahead of Denver's, but since they're out of contention I doubt it really changes much. Maybe we seem a little closer to e.g. Bucknell now?
But, hey, 58 - not bad. And New Mexico State might drop below us even if they beat 265 Texas State.
Memphis and Southern Miss weren't as accommodating as Denver, unfortunately.
3auge, you are focused WAY to much on just the rpi. The other WAC teams are not close to Valpo in other systems. Denver was the dog in the fight and they when home very unexpectedly and in the quarter-finals.
Which teams are not close to Valpo and in what systems? In the combined rankings, Denver is (was) 7 spots better than Valpo, Louisiana Tech was 1 worse, and New Mexico State 15 worse. They're close, but the winner will get better in the rankings with two more wins, one being a top 75 team. Each team has a top 50 win and a couple more top 100 wins. Valpo doesn't have any top 50 wins, and has one sub 200 loss (so does LT). I would at least say they're close, but I can't see Valpo getting a 13 while one of those 3 WAC teams I mentioned gets a 14 seed.
Quote from: bbtds on March 14, 2013, 05:14:19 AMTexas-San Antonio 43 13;49 2nd half
Louisiana Tech 41
LA Tech down 8 with less than ten to play. We've got a chance here!
LA Tech probably fouling? Down 6 with less than a minute to play. Hit your free throws, San Antonio!
San Antonio wins!
Now we just need New Mexico State to lose tomorrow or Saturday. Others have shown it can be done, for sure.
Now we have only 1 of the 4 to root against. that's a good chance.
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Quote from: a3uge on March 14, 2013, 09:26:47 PM
Quote from: vu72 on March 14, 2013, 08:18:03 PM
Quote from: agibson on March 14, 2013, 08:10:51 PM
Quote from: a3uge on March 14, 2013, 05:07:39 PMThe seeding benefit would only happen if Louisiana Tech, Denver, AND New Mexico St all lost.
Like I said, it seems like a lot to ask. But, hey, we're on track so far. Four more games to get two pretty good teams to lose to two lesser teams.
Our RPI did jump ahead of Denver's, but since they're out of contention I doubt it really changes much. Maybe we seem a little closer to e.g. Bucknell now?
But, hey, 58 - not bad. And New Mexico State might drop below us even if they beat 265 Texas State.
Memphis and Southern Miss weren't as accommodating as Denver, unfortunately.
3auge, you are focused WAY to much on just the rpi. The other WAC teams are not close to Valpo in other systems. Denver was the dog in the fight and they when home very unexpectedly and in the quarter-finals.
Which teams are not close to Valpo and in what systems? In the combined rankings, Denver is (was) 7 spots better than Valpo, Louisiana Tech was 1 worse, and New Mexico State 15 worse. They're close, but the winner will get better in the rankings with two more wins, one being a top 75 team. Each team has a top 50 win and a couple more top 100 wins. Valpo doesn't have any top 50 wins, and has one sub 200 loss (so does LT). I would at least say they're close, but I can't see Valpo getting a 13 while one of those 3 WAC teams I mentioned gets a 14 seed.
Here's my thinking. The rpi doesn't weight the location of the game. Thus, a win at home means no more than a win on the road. I might be wrong. the bpi and Sagarin takes these things into account. LaTech and NM St are ranked 83 and 84 in one and 74 and 79 in the other, while Valpo is ranked 66 and 63. At the same time the rpi has them ranked at 48 and 58. See the disparity? Sure, they will move up with wins but so will we with teams like Nebraska winning. It will be a very interesting and informative next few days!!
Quote from: vu72 on March 14, 2013, 10:19:28 PMThe rpi doesn't weight the location of the game.
Since 2004 the RPI has some accounting for location.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratings_Percentage_Index#Basketball_Formula (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratings_Percentage_Index#Basketball_Formula)
Home losses and road wins carry extra weight, while home wins and road losses carry less weight.
As for Nebraska and Kent State winning. They definitely help... a little. Unfortunately, most of our opponents are done playing.
At this, very late, point in the season if you're still playing your own wins and losses, and what new teams you're adding to your schedule, matters the most for your RPI.
Quote from: agibson on March 14, 2013, 10:26:10 PM
Quote from: vu72 on March 14, 2013, 10:19:28 PMThe rpi doesn't weight the location of the game.
Since 2004 the RPI has some accounting for location.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratings_Percentage_Index#Basketball_Formula (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratings_Percentage_Index#Basketball_Formula)
Home losses and road wins carry extra weight, while home wins and road losses carry less weight.
As for Nebraska and Kent State winning. They definitely help... a little. Unfortunately, most of our opponents are done playing.
At this, very late, point in the season if you're still playing your own wins and losses, and what new teams you're adding to your schedule, matters the most for your RPI.
Impressive detail, erh, partical research Professor! You must enjoy numbers! ;)
Quote from: bbtds on March 14, 2013, 05:14:19 AMTeams to root against
3/14/13 Thursday
Texas State 72 (WAC Quarterfinals at Las Vegas-all below)
Denver 68
New Mexico State [size=78%]65[/size]
[size=78%]Idaho 49[/size]
Texas-San Antonio 73
Louisiana Tech 67
Well, as Meatloaf sang, 2 out of 3 ain't bad!
Wow, who would have thought that two bad TX schools would help my program? :) Texas State is party central, and UTSA is irrelevant ;)
Quote from: valpotx on March 15, 2013, 12:16:47 AM
Wow, who would have thought that two bad TX schools would help my program? :) Texas State is party central, and UTSA is irrelevant ;)
It could be a huge party in San Marcos if the Bobcats can knock off NM State and then play for a trip to the Big Dance.
We will set a dozen more finals today...I will update the "Seeding" post as those get set for some perspective on the whole deal. Also, root for Utah in the Pac-12.
Hey guys, be sure to root for the huge upset Houston Baptist over NJIT.
We sure will find out more about the selection committee mode of operation on Sunday. The whole SF Austin, New Mexico, Valpo thing is very interesting. In Valpo's case the rankings between Sagarin, BPI and RPI are very similar coming in at 64, 63, and 59 respectively. However in both SF Austin (ranked 86, 75, and 61) and New Mexico State (ranked 82,76 and 57), there is a fair amount of disparity. Should be interesting...
The huge upset of Houston Baptist over NJIT is irrelevant because the Great West Conference doesn't get a bid to the Dance, so I'm hoping that's sarcasm I smell, and not a dog fart.
Also, in terms of the RPI weighing the location, do they weigh the location of a tournament game in the conference tournament? I think that's what the intent of the weighing of the location of tournament meant this time. Yes, they do weigh this during the regular season, but not sure that tournament locations make a difference to RPI during the conference tourneys, as so many conferences play in one location for the entire tourney, and in most cases, it is a very neutral site, whether city or arena.
http://www.rpiforecast.com/teams/Belmont.html (http://www.rpiforecast.com/teams/Belmont.html)
http://www.rpiforecast.com/teams/Northwestern.html (http://www.rpiforecast.com/teams/Northwestern.html)
Notice these were technically neutral sites but were make as home games. Illinois was not a home game. States don't carry over. Hope that answers question
This may vary by who's calculating the RPI. Compare Warren Nolan.
http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2013/schedule/Wright-State (http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2013/schedule/Wright-State)
Wright State's tournament games against YSU and Detroit were marked neutral. And their game against us was marked away. Which, neutrality HL rules aside, all looks correct.
I assume the NCAA (whose calculation the committee uses, presumably) also handles tournament games in this way.
I don't know if it's _always_ this clear cut (what about a "neutral" court in the same city, like UIC hosting at the United Center or something?), but much of the time it probably is.
http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2013/schedule/Iowa (http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2013/schedule/Iowa)
Good point. Nolan had vs Northwestern while rpi forecast has an away game. I imagine it's so minuscule at this point to actually matter.
The game was at the UC
Come on Kent State! Nice thing about the tourney being in Cleveland is that all the games are on TV.
3/15/13 Friday
Charlotte 55 (A-10 Quarterfinal at Brooklyn)
Saint Louis 72
Bethune-Cookman 72 (MEAC Semifinal at Norfolk)
Morgan State 81
Nebraska 50 (B1G Quarterfinal at United Center, Chicago)
Ohio State 71
Kent 59 (MAC Semifinal at Cleveland)
Akron 62
Chicago State 63 (Great West Semifinal at Chicago)
Texas-Pan American 55
San Diego State 50 (Mountain West Semifinal at Las Vegas)
New Mexico 60
Teams to root against
South East Louisiana 57 (Southland Semifinal at Katy, TX)
Stephen F. Austin 68
Kent 59 (MAC Semifinal at Cleveland)
Akron 62
Texas State 65 (WAC Semifinal at Las Vegas)
New Mexico State 74
The fact that Chicago State is making a run to the Great West championship doesn't hurt as much as it would if they had already lost. Or does it?
I don't think I've been against Butler as much as this game against SLU except when they are playing Valpo. GO BILLIKENS!!!!!! Yes, I'm obsessed, historyman!
Go Ohio! Go NW St!
Quote from: bbtds on March 16, 2013, 01:37:51 AMI don't think I've been against Butler as much as this game against SLU except when they are playing Valpo. GO BILLIKENS!!!!!! Yes, I'm obsessed, historyman!
I want to see Saint Louis beat Butler too. But only because a SLU win helps Valpo. Caring about how Butler does is so fruitless and the amount of time this board spends on this irrelevant team is mind boggling.
Oh No! With Rutgers, Farleigh Dickinson, Rider, St Francis, and Princeton all knocked out... NJIT was my only Garden State Chance! but, since the Great West does not get a guaranteed bid... probably won't happen...
I have been watching games on ESPN 3 and it's interesting that ORU lost to Sam Houston St (are there any universities in that conference that aren't named after people that have large cities named after them?) in a quarterfinal Southland Conf game. Another interesting fact is that SFA coach, Danny Kaspar, has the best hair among men's basketball coaches next to Rick Pitino.
The best player name in Div.I is Onochie Ochie of Southeastern Louisiana.
http://www.lionsports.net/roster.aspx?rp_id=1793&path=mbball (http://www.lionsports.net/roster.aspx?rp_id=1793&path=mbball)
Quote from: historyman on March 16, 2013, 01:43:01 AMthe amount of time this board spends on this irrelevant team is mind boggling
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Quote from: historyman on March 16, 2013, 01:43:01 AM
Quote from: bbtds on March 16, 2013, 01:37:51 AMI don't think I've been against Butler as much as this game against SLU except when they are playing Valpo. GO BILLIKENS!!!!!! Yes, I'm obsessed, historyman!
I want to see Saint Louis beat Butler too. But only because a SLU win helps Valpo. Caring about how Butler does is so fruitless and the amount of time this board spends on this irrelevant team is mind boggling.
St. Louis 67, Butler 56!
3/16/13 Saturday
Butler 56 (A10 Semifinal at Brooklyn)
Saint Louis 67
Houston Baptist 60 (Great West Championship at Chicago 8:30 p.m. EDT)
Chicago State 75
Nev.-Las Vegas 56 (Mountain West Championship at Las Vegas 6:00 p.m. EDT -CBS)
New Mexico 63
Teams to root against
3/16/13 Saturday
Ohio 46 (MAC Championship at Cleveland 6:30 p.m. EDT ESPN 2)
Akron 65
Northwestern State 68 (Southland Championship at Katy, TX 8:30 p.m. EDT ESPN 2)
Stephen F Austin 66 (2 pts taken from SFA. Refs determine last 2 pointer at end of 1st half was after shot clock expired)
Texas-Arlington 55 (WAC Championship at Las Vegas 11:00 p.m. EDT ESPNU)
New Mexico State 64
Don't forget to root against New Mexico State in the nightcap!
I hadn't noticed Ohio's RPI climbing: they're at 66, and might well pass us if they beat Akron. We probably still prefer them to Akron, but it's no kind of a slam dunk.
Quote from: agibson on March 16, 2013, 04:06:42 PM
Don't forget to root against New Mexico State in the nightcap!
I hadn't noticed Ohio's RPI climbing: they're at 66, and might well pass us if they beat Akron. We probably still prefer them to Akron, but it's no kind of a slam dunk.
I was in wrong mode with New Mexico State. I have to ignore them when looking for New Mexico. NM St is in there now.
Quote from: valpo04 on March 16, 2013, 02:48:42 PM
Quote from: historyman on March 16, 2013, 01:43:01 AM
Quote from: bbtds on March 16, 2013, 01:37:51 AMI don't think I've been against Butler as much as this game against SLU except when they are playing Valpo. GO BILLIKENS!!!!!! Yes, I'm obsessed, historyman!
I want to see Saint Louis beat Butler too. But only because a SLU win helps Valpo. Caring about how Butler does is so fruitless and the amount of time this board spends on this irrelevant team is mind boggling.
St. Louis 67, Butler 56!
St. Louis (3-0) Butler (0-3)
NW State 68
SFA 66
Final
Alas, Palm updated his bracket before NW State went final.
I'd have been curious to see _which_ 14 seed he had us. I wouldn't be surprised if he still had us there.
Palm showing us as a 13, matched up with Marquette in San Jose. Lunardi the same.
I must say, I find this talk of San Jose very distressing. I'll have you know I have my heart set on driving to the venue.
Nice! I didn't realize he was updating continuously.
He seemed approximately as pessimistic on our seed as anyone else, so I'm feeling pretty comfortable in a 13.
Still, it's be good to see New Mexico State lose.
Quote from: StlVUFan on March 16, 2013, 11:09:46 PM
I must say, I find this talk of San Jose very distressing. I'll have you know I have my heart set on driving to the venue.
Just a leisurely 2100 mile drive from St. Louis, but you may wanna get started pretty soon. ;)
I really hope it isn't San Jose. I do not like the state of CA. The highways are absolutely disgusting :)
Quote from: wh on March 16, 2013, 11:17:21 PM
Quote from: StlVUFan on March 16, 2013, 11:09:46 PM
I must say, I find this talk of San Jose very distressing. I'll have you know I have my heart set on driving to the venue.
Just a leisurely 2100 mile drive from St. Louis, but you may wanna get started pretty soon. ;)
If it doesn't break the bank, I would obviously be flying.
KANSAS CITY! KANSAS CITY! KANSAS CITY!
Quote from: StlVUFan on March 17, 2013, 01:20:44 AM
Quote from: wh on March 16, 2013, 11:17:21 PM
Quote from: StlVUFan on March 16, 2013, 11:09:46 PM
I must say, I find this talk of San Jose very distressing. I'll have you know I have my heart set on driving to the venue.
Just a leisurely 2100 mile drive from St. Louis, but you may wanna get started pretty soon. ;)
If it doesn't break the bank, I would obviously be flying.
KANSAS CITY! KANSAS CITY! KANSAS CITY!
Wedding Crashers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n46CtDmKOg#)
Dayton, Auburn Hills or Lexington!
3/17/13 Sunday
Virginia Commonwealth 56 (A-10 Championship at Brooklyn 1:00 p.m. EDT CBS)
Saint Louis 62
Quote from: StlVUFan on March 16, 2013, 11:09:46 PM
I must say, I find this talk of San Jose very distressing. I'll have you know I have my heart set on driving to the venue.
I can't believe nobody said this:
Do You KNow the Way to San Jose by Dionne Warwick (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqWt49o7R-k#)
Quote from: bbtds on March 17, 2013, 04:52:33 AM
3/17/13 Sunday
Virginia Commonwealth 56 (A-10 Championship at Brooklyn 1:00 p.m. EDT CBS)
Saint Louis 62
St. Louis won the A-10 league and tournament championships, has won 15 of their last 16 games, has an RPI of 16, and is projected as a 4 seed. We would have had no idea at the time, but as it turns out our 13-point loss at their place was anything but a bad loss.
Quote from: wh on March 17, 2013, 03:36:05 PM
Quote from: bbtds on March 17, 2013, 04:52:33 AM
3/17/13 Sunday
Virginia Commonwealth 56 (A-10 Championship at Brooklyn 1:00 p.m. EDT CBS)
Saint Louis 62
St. Louis won the A-10 league and tournament championships, has won 15 of their last 16 games, has an RPI of 16, and is projected as a 4 seed. We would have had no idea at the time, but as it turns out our 13-point loss at their place was anything but a bad loss.
I saw 5 games at Chaifetz Arena this year, and I think ours was the closest of the 5 (closer than Butler, VCU, Dayton, and USC Upstate)
Anyone going to fire this up for the post-season?
Quote from: agibson on March 19, 2013, 03:27:40 PM
Anyone going to fire this up for the post-season?
What teams should we be following now? Following our opponents doesn't seem relevant because the RPI doesn't effect the tournament anymore. If you're set on following our opponents just because we have been following them all year I will do it. None of our regular season opponents are playing on Tuesday/tonight.
Perhaps just the Horizon League scores?
bbtds, you have to fire it up again...because how else will Chicago State fans know how they are doing in the CIT?
(they all come here since they don't have their own boards.)
3/19/13 Tuesday
Eastern Kentucky 69 (CIT 1st round 7:00 p.m.)
Gardner-Webb 62
Oakland 87 (CIT 1st round 7:05 p.m.)
Youngstown State 99
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on March 19, 2013, 04:24:33 PM(they all come here since they don't have their own boards.)
Both of them?
Quote from: ValpoHoops on March 19, 2013, 04:35:52 PMBoth of them?
The People's Front (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb_qHP7VaZE#ws)
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on March 19, 2013, 06:22:59 PM
Quote from: ValpoHoops on March 19, 2013, 04:35:52 PMBoth of them?
The People's Front (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb_qHP7VaZE#ws)
Life of Brian reference! I love it!
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Quote from: bbtds on March 19, 2013, 04:03:01 PMWhat teams should we be following now? Following our opponents doesn't seem relevant because the RPI doesn't effect the tournament anymore. If you're set on following our opponents just because we have been following them all year I will do it.
I probably am still curious about our opponents, for old times' sake. The Horizon League teams especially, of course. With all of the seeding discussion, I'll certainly also follow the 12's, 13's, and 14's, and anyone they kicked into the NIT in their conference tournaments.
Not that you need to post all of that! But, I probably have more of a rooting interest in the above than in the 1-4 NCAA seeds.
Wow. YSU with a season high for scoring.
Going to break 100! (Well, almost.)
I guess we can console ourselves with the notion that YSU's playing at home?
Quote from: agibson on March 19, 2013, 09:01:36 PM
Quote from: bbtds on March 19, 2013, 04:03:01 PMWhat teams should we be following now? Following our opponents doesn't seem relevant because the RPI doesn't effect the tournament anymore. If you're set on following our opponents just because we have been following them all year I will do it.
I probably am still curious about our opponents, for old times' sake. The Horizon League teams especially, of course. With all of the seeding discussion, I'll certainly also follow the 12's, 13's, and 14's, and anyone they kicked into the NIT in their conference tournaments.
Not that you need to post all of that! But, I probably have more of a rooting interest in the above than in the 1-4 NCAA seeds.
So these teams:
Akron
Boise State
California
Davidson
Harvard
La Salle
Mississippi
Montana
New Mexico State
Northwestern State
Oregon
South Dakota State
Valparaiso
Chicago State
Detroit
Eastern Kentucky
Green Bay
Illinois-Chicago
Kent State
Oakland
Saint Louis
Wright State
Youngstown State
Denver
Louisiana Tech
Norfolk State
Ohio
Stephen F. Austin
Stony Brook
Are there any other teams I should add?
What service! Sounds like you have a script that does some of the grunt work?
Quote from: agibson on March 19, 2013, 11:11:39 PM
What service! Sounds like you have a script that does some of the grunt work?
Ancient Chinese secret. :lol: :lol:
3/20/13 Wednesday
Stony Brook 71 NIT 1st round 7:15 p.m. EDT ESPN 3
Massachusetts 58
Detroit 68 NIT 1st round 10:00 p.m. EDT ESPNU
Arizona State 83
Tulsa 52 CBI 1st round 7:00 p.m. EDT
Wrrrright State 72
Fairfield 71 CIT 1st round 7:00 p.m. EDT
Kent State 73
Green Bay 69 CIT 1st round 8:00 p.m. EDT
Bradley 75
Chicago State 69 CIT 1st round 8:00 p.m. EDT
Illinois-Chicago 80
3/21/13 Thursday
Valpo 54 NCAA 2nd round 12:15 p.m. EDT Auburn Hills, MI CBS
Michigan State 65
New Mexico State 44 NCAA 2nd round 2:10 p.m. EDT San Jose TNT
Saint Louis 64
Davidson 58 NCAA 2nd round 3:10 p.m. EDT Lexington TRUE
Marquette 59
Oregon 68 NCAA 2nd round 4:40 p.m. EDT San Jose TNT
Oklahoma State 55
South Dakota State 56 NCAA 2nd round 7:15 p.m. EDT Auburn Hills, MI CBS
Michigan 71
California 64 NCAA 2nd round 7:27 p.m. EDT San Jose TRUE
Nev.-Las Vegas 61
Akron 42 NCAA 2nd round 9:45 p.m. EDT Auburn Hills, MI CBS
Virginia Comm. 88
Harvard 68 NCAA 2nd round 9:50 p.m. EDT Salt Lake City TNT
New Mexico 62
Montana 34 NCAA 2nd round 9:57 p.m. EDT San Jose TRUE
Syracuse 81
Denver 52 NIT 2nd round 7:00 p.m. EDT College Park, MD ESPNU
Maryland 62
Quote from: bbtds on March 20, 2013, 11:41:51 PM
3/21/13 Thursday
Valpo 54 :( Lost by 11 NCAA 2nd round 12:15 p.m. EDT Auburn Hills, MI CBS
Michigan State 65
New Mexico State 44 ;) STL by 20 - we lost by 13 earlier NCAA 2nd round 2:10 p.m. EDT San Jose TNT
Saint Louis 64
Davidson 58 :-[ gave it away NCAA 2nd round 3:10 p.m. EDT Lexington TRUE
Marquette 59
Oregon 68 NCAA 2nd round 4:40 p.m. EDT San Jose TNT
Oklahoma State 55
South Dakota State 56 ;) SDSU lost by 15 NCAA 2nd round 7:15 p.m. EDT Auburn Hills, MI CBS
Michigan 71
;)
California 64 NCAA 2nd round 7:27 p.m. EDT San Jose TRUE
Nev.-Las Vegas 61
Akron 42 ??? How can you lose by 46? NCAA 2nd round 9:45 p.m. EDT Auburn Hills, MI CBS
Virginia Comm. 88
Harvard 68 :o Hahvid used a 4 guard offense NCAA 2nd round 9:50 p.m. EDT Salt Lake City TNT
New Mexico 62
Montana 34 :-[ they lost by more (47) than Akron scored (42) in their entire game! NCAA 2nd round 9:57 p.m. EDT San Jose TRUE
Syracuse 81
Denver 52 NIT 2nd round 7:00 p.m. EDT College Park, MD ESPNU
Maryland 62
Quote from: VULB#62 on March 22, 2013, 07:02:58 AMMontana 34
Yeah, they totally deserved THAT seed
*grinds teeth
I thought we deserved a higher seed than Harvard, but I was completely wrong. I suppose we're lucky we did not play Harvard.
Quote from: atkins on March 22, 2013, 09:25:32 AMI thought we deserved a higher seed than Harvard, but I was completely wrong.
I don't know...it's all matchups at this point. certainly we match up better with UNM than MSU.
3/22/13 Friday
Mississippi 57 NCAA 2nd round 12:40 p.m. EDT at Kansas City TRUE
Wisconsin 46
La Salle 63 NCAA 2nd round 3:10 p.m. EDT at Kansas City TRUE
Kansas State 61
Northwestern State 47 NCAA 2nd round 7:27 p.m. EDT at Austin, TX TRUE
Florida 79
Stony Brook 63 NIT 2nd round 9:30 p.m. EDT at Iowa City, IA ESPNU
Iowa 75
Quote from: VULB#62 on March 22, 2013, 07:02:58 AMAkron 42 ??? How can you lose by 46? NCAA 2nd round 9:45 p.m. EDT Auburn Hills, MI CBS
Virginia Comm. 88
VCU was throwing alley-oops and using a full court press while up 40. That's how!
Real classy.
They did play eleven guys at least ten minutes a piece...
Quote from: agibson on March 22, 2013, 02:53:14 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on March 22, 2013, 07:02:58 AMAkron 42 ??? How can you lose by 46? NCAA 2nd round 9:45 p.m. EDT Auburn Hills, MI CBS
Virginia Comm. 88
VCU was throwing alley-oops and using a full court press while up 40. That's how!
Real classy.
They did play eleven guys at least ten minutes a piece...
shaka did call off the dogs somewhat about halfway through the second half. if akron couldn't close the gap beyond that point, that's on them.
Quote from: vuweathernerd on March 22, 2013, 03:51:43 PM
Quote from: agibson on March 22, 2013, 02:53:14 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on March 22, 2013, 07:02:58 AMAkron 42 ??? How can you lose by 46? NCAA 2nd round 9:45 p.m. EDT Auburn Hills, MI CBS
Virginia Comm. 88
VCU was throwing alley-oops and using a full court press while up 40. That's how!
Real classy.
They did play eleven guys at least ten minutes a piece...
shaka did call off the dogs somewhat about halfway through the second half. if akron couldn't close the gap beyond that point, that's on them.
I also seem to remember that 2 of Akron's best players were ill at the start of the game and one of them couldn't finish due to the illness. Sound familiar?
3/23/13 Saturday
Harvard 51 NCAA 3rd round 6:10 p.m. EDT at Salt Lake City TNT
Arizona 74
Oregon 74 NCAA 3rd round 7:10 p.m. EDT at San Jose TBS
Saint Louis 57
California 60 NCAA 3rd round 9:40 p.m. EDT at San Jose TBS
Syracuse 66
Eastern Kentucky 72 CIT 2nd round 1:30 p.m. EDT at Evansville, IN
Evansville 86
Canisius 84 OT CIT 2nd round 7:05 p.m. EDT at Youngstown, OH
Youngstown State 82
Illinois-Chicago 51 CIT 2nd round 8:00 p.m. EDT at Cedar Falls, IA
Northern Iowa 63
Butler 72
Marquette 74
3/24/13 Sunday
La Salle 76 NCAA 3rd round 7:40 p.m. EDT at Kansas City TRUE
Mississippi 74
Kent State 59 CIT 2nd round 3:00 p.m. EDT at Baltimore
Loyola-MD 73
>:( Sour grapes, but FGCU just made it to the Sweet 16 - that shuddah been us. :(
3/25/13 Monday
Louisiana Tech 52 NIT 2nd round 10:00 p.m. EDT Jackson, MS ESPNU
Southern Mississippi 63
Richmond 51 CBI Quarterfinal 7:00 p.m. EDT Dayton (Fairborn, OH)
Wright State 57
3/27/13 Wednesday
Santa Clara 81 CBI Semifinal 9:00 p.m. EDT at Dayton (Fairborn, OH)
Wright State 69
3/28/13 Thursday
La Salle 58 NCAA Sweet 16 round 10:17 p.m. EDT at Los Angeles TBS
Wichita State 72
Marquette 71
Miami (FL) 61
Arizona 70
Ohio State 73
Syracuse 61
Indiana 50
3/29/13 Friday
Oregon 69 NCAA Sweet 16 round 7:15 p.m. EDT at Indianapolis CBS
Louisville 77
Michigan State 61 NCAA Sweet 16 round 9:45 p.m. EDT at Indianapolis CBS
Duke 71
Florida Gulf Coast 50
Florida 62
Michigan 87 OT
Kansas 85
3/30/13 Saturday
Syracuse 55 NCAA Elite 8 round 4:30 p.m. EDT at Washington CBS
Marquette 39
Wichita State 70 NCAA Elite 8 round 7:05 p.m. EDT at Los Angeles CBS
Ohio State 66
Evansville 58 CIT Semifinal 5:00 p.m. EDT at Greenville, NC
East Carolina 81
Weber State 59 CIT Semifinal 8:00 p.m. EDT at Cedar Falls, IA
Northern Iowa 56
3/31/13 Easter Sunday
Michigan 79 NCAA Elite 8 round 2:20 p.m. EDT at Arlington, TX CBS
Florida 59
Duke 63 NCAA Elite 8 round 5:05 p.m. EDT at Indianapolis CBS
Louisville 85
Which Horizon team beat one of the Elite Eight teams? Probably a pretty easy question.
Baylor beats BYU, 76-70, to go to the NIT Final. They will play Iowa, who knocked off Maryland, 71-60.
The Final is Thursday night, 4/4/13, at 9:00 p.m. EDT at Madison Square Garden on ESPN.
Congrats to Scott!
East Carolina won the CIT Final by beating Weber State, 77-74, in Buffalo.
Santa Clara won the First Game of the CBI championship series by beating George Mason, 81-73 in California on Monday, 4/1/13.
The two teams will play again on Wednesday, 4/3/13, at the Patriot Center in Fairfax, VA (suburban DC), at 7:00 p.m. EDT.
Nice, an NIT rematch for Scott of the infamous 'Antti fumbling the ball at the buzzer alone under the basket' game of 2003 :)
Quote from: valpotx on April 03, 2013, 10:27:05 AM
Nice, an NIT rematch for Scott of the infamous 'Antti fumbling the ball at the buzzer alone under the basket' game of 2003 :)
Gee, thanks for that reminder, tx >:(
Quote from: StlVUFan on April 03, 2013, 12:07:04 PMGee, thanks for that reminder, tx
My reaction exactly
George Mason leads Santa Clara 39-26 at half in the 2nd game of the CBI championship series at Fairfax, VA. Santa Clara leads the series 1-0.
George Mason knocks off Santa Clara 73-66 in Virginia and ties up the CBI championship series 1-1. The next game of the championship series is Friday, 4/5/13, 7:00 p.m. EDT at George Mason's Patriot Center in Fairfax, VA. The winner wins the championship of the CBI.
Santa Clara wins the CBI championship series 2 games to 1 over George Mason by beating them 80-77 at George Mason's Patriot Center in Fairfax, VA.
Baylor knocked off Iowa Thursday night at Madison Square Garden, 74-54, for a convincing NIT Final game win.
Wichita State versus Louisville Saturday at 6:09 p.m. EDT at the Georgia Dome in Atlanta on CBS
Syracuse versus Michigan Saturday at 8:49 p.m. EDT at the Georgia Dome in Atlanta on CBS
National Championship game is Monday 9:00 p.m. EDT at the Georgia Dome in Atlanta on CBS
If anyone missed the Div. II men's basketball national championship game, also from Atlanta, Philips Arena, Drury University of Springfield, MO Panthers won an extremely entertaining game against Metro State University of Denver Roadrunners by a score of 74-73.
It was end to end action with Metro State trying to throw up shots till the very last moments of the game.
What a nail biter!
Drury's coach, Steve Hesser, was battling pneumonia and showed a calmness that didn't seem appropriate for this game. Although maybe it was extremely important and appropriate.
Quote from: historyman on April 07, 2013, 09:20:56 PM
If anyone missed the Div. II men's basketball national championship game, also from Atlanta, Philips Arena, Drury University of Springfield, MO Panthers won an extremely entertaining game against Metro State University of Denver Roadrunners by a score of 74-73.
It was end to end action with Metro State trying to throw up shots till the very last moments of the game.
What a nail biter!
Drury's coach, Steve Hesser, was battling pneumonia and showed a calmness that didn't seem appropriate for this game. Although maybe it was extremely important and appropriate.
I did actually catch a glimpse of that game in a Valpo restaurant.
It seemed amazingly entertaining.
Another thing I noticed is that the new Ford Center in Evansville is hosting the Div. II National championship in 2014. After doing some research I noticed that Evansville has a total of 5 "college" division or Div. II national championships. The school with the most Div. II national championships is Kentucky Wesleyan in nearby Owensboro, KY with 8 NC's. In 1995, a Marty Simmons coached, University of Southern Indiana in Evansville won a Div. II National championship. That is really a fascinating record of 14 NC's in an approximately 50 mile area.