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Title: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: oklahomamick on March 17, 2016, 11:02:32 AM
http://host.madison.com/wsj/sports/college/basketball/men/college-basketball-uw-milwaukee-fires-head-coach-rob-jeter/article_6b66c450-98b6-5017-ab71-51410e6c46a7.html (http://host.madison.com/wsj/sports/college/basketball/men/college-basketball-uw-milwaukee-fires-head-coach-rob-jeter/article_6b66c450-98b6-5017-ab71-51410e6c46a7.html)
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: Kyle321n on March 17, 2016, 11:05:31 AM
So much for having some consistency in the coaching in the HL.

Again, another coach who has been pretty solid gets fired and YSU extends Slocum.
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: covufan on March 17, 2016, 11:47:39 AM
I don't get this one either.  I can understand the desire of the AD or other administration to be in the NCAA or NIT more often, but realistically one can really only hope that UWM is a top 140 team, and in the good years a top 75.  Which they have been. :crazy: :crazy:
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: a3uge on March 17, 2016, 11:57:30 AM


Quote from: covufan on March 17, 2016, 11:47:39 AM
I don't get this one either.  I can understand the desire of the AD or other administration to be in the NCAA or NIT more often, but realistically one can really only hope that UWM is a top 140 team, and in the good years a top 75.  Which they have been. :crazy: :crazy:

In terms of RPI (which is primarily how seeding is determined for seeds 12-16) they haven't been inside 100 since 2005.
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: VULB#62 on March 17, 2016, 12:08:58 PM
Quote from: Kyle321n on March 17, 2016, 11:05:31 AM
So much for having some consistency in the coaching in the HL.

Again, another coach who has been pretty solid gets fired and YSU extends Slocum.

Between the mishandled switch of the HLT to Detroit (contrary to Spin Dr. LeCrone's glowing remarks) and these two new coaching changes with firing of coaches who both won 20 or more games this season, the HL does not look very stable or up-and-coming at this point and the transitions involved in both will probably account for an even lower conference rating for at least one year or maybe more.  Am I correct in that assumption or will these two new replacement coaches that will be hired (whoever they are) immediately kick the league status up a notch next year?
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: a3uge on March 17, 2016, 12:30:48 PM


Quote from: VULB#62 on March 17, 2016, 12:08:58 PM
Quote from: Kyle321n on March 17, 2016, 11:05:31 AM
So much for having some consistency in the coaching in the HL.

Again, another coach who has been pretty solid gets fired and YSU extends Slocum.

Between the mishandled switch of the HLT to Detroit (contrary to Spin Dr. LeCrone's glowing remarks) and these two new coaching changes with firing of coaches who both won 20 or more games this season, the HL does not look very stable or up-and-coming at this point and the transitions involved in both will probably account for an even lower conference rating for at least one year or maybe more.  Am I correct in that assumption or will these two new replacement coaches that will be hired (whoever they are) immediately kick the league status up a notch next year?

Thinking long term, UWM and Wright State both didn't have decent classes coming in, and both teams are losing their 2 best players. Now was a good time to pull the trigger. I think those two programs were stuck in mediocrity and not progressing. UWM went from a Sweet 16 team, and Wright State went from a tournament team to perennial 150 RPI, 15 seed teams. Both those programs can be successful, and should be at least in the NIT every 4 or 5 years. Firing a coach that has been consistently mediocre (in terms of overall D1) might backfire in the short term, but at least they're trying to elevate their programs long term. I don't think Donlon and Jeter were ever going to turn those programs into mid major powers.

We sit here and complain about how terrible the league has become, how there's only 1 team in the top 100 this year - well when these programs show a pulse and aren't happy with meagre results, we shouldn't jump on their throats.
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: valpotx on March 17, 2016, 12:38:45 PM
Two dumb decisions.  These were the only 2 coaches I liked in the HL, outside of Drew.  If Milwaukee and Wright State are making these changes, why are Slocum, Waters, and McCallum still around??
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: VULB#62 on March 17, 2016, 12:45:53 PM
In the meantime, the overall HL RPI continues to slide (noting the comment about the less than full cupboards at UWM and WSU for next year) and may slide even faster because of the firings/transitions. Selfishly, that does not bode well for Valpo in terms of our RPI going forward does it? We go into next season's scheduling with an even bigger HL albatross than this year hanging around our neck. And Monmouth's plight has shown that even good OOC scheduling doesn't guarantee an at-large.  Man, it's tough being a mid-major  :banghead:
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: bbtds on March 17, 2016, 01:19:54 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on March 17, 2016, 12:08:58 PMand the transitions involved in both will probably account for an even lower conference rating for at least one year or maybe more.  Am I correct in that assumption or will these two new replacement coaches that will be hired (whoever they are) immediately kick the league status up a notch next year?

Looking at how Green Bay did in their hiring of Darner it is not for sure that the replacement coach will have a worse season than the previous coach. Of course you have to remember which coach Darner was replacing at GB and how that coach has done at the school he moved on to.
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: VULB#62 on March 17, 2016, 01:24:50 PM
Quote from: bbtds on March 17, 2016, 01:19:54 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on March 17, 2016, 12:08:58 PMand the transitions involved in both will probably account for an even lower conference rating for at least one year or maybe more.  Am I correct in that assumption or will these two new replacement coaches that will be hired (whoever they are) immediately kick the league status up a notch next year?

Looking at how Green Bay did in their hiring of Darner it is not for sure that the replacement coach will have a worse season than the previous coach. Of course you have to remember which coach Darner was replacing at GB and how that coach has done at the school he moved on to.

Roger that.
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: a3uge on March 17, 2016, 01:34:59 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on March 17, 2016, 12:45:53 PM
In the meantime, the overall HL RPI continues to slide (noting the comment about the less than full cupboards at UWM and WSU for next year) and may slide even faster because of the firings/transitions. Selfishly, that does not bode well for Valpo in terms of our RPI going forward does it? We go into next season's scheduling with an even bigger HL albatross than this year hanging around our neck. And Monmouth's plight has shown that even good OOC scheduling doesn't guarantee an at-large.  Man, it's tough being a mid-major  :banghead:
NKU has a great class coming in, and UIC literally can't get any worse out of conference. CSU should also be much better.

But this conference has been struggling with recruiting because we have don't have any tournament wins to brag about anymore. That was a big sell from the top-down and it's why the conference was still in good shape after Butler. UWM and Wright State haven't been close to a team capable of winning in the tournament because they've haven't been close to the top 100. Switching coaches that have been mediocre isn't a bad thing for the conference.
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: oklahomamick on March 17, 2016, 01:47:05 PM
In two years, the HL lost 4 coaches from the 10 programs.  Almost half the programs had to replace coaches in the last two years.  Slocum still has a job? 

The performance of Green Bay's new coach and the recruiting class of UIC's new coach may have sparked the AD's at Milwaukee and Wright St. to thinking they could do better.

Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: VULB#62 on March 17, 2016, 01:57:59 PM
Quote from: a3uge on March 17, 2016, 01:34:59 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on March 17, 2016, 12:45:53 PM
In the meantime, the overall HL RPI continues to slide (noting the comment about the less than full cupboards at UWM and WSU for next year) and may slide even faster because of the firings/transitions. Selfishly, that does not bode well for Valpo in terms of our RPI going forward does it? We go into next season's scheduling with an even bigger HL albatross than this year hanging around our neck. And Monmouth's plight has shown that even good OOC scheduling doesn't guarantee an at-large.  Man, it's tough being a mid-major  :banghead:
NKU has a great class coming in, and UIC literally can't get any worse out of conference. CSU should also be much better.

But this conference has been struggling with recruiting because we have don't have any tournament wins to brag about anymore. That was a big sell from the top-down and it's why the conference was still in good shape after Butler. UWM and Wright State haven't been close to a team capable of winning in the tournament because they've haven't been close to the top 100. Switching coaches that have been mediocre isn't a bad thing for the conference.

In the long run that's what we all hope for, but, of course, no guarantees.  Short-term (the next two years, and especially next season with Alec and Derrik playing together) there's the distinct possibility that the league might bottom out before it swings back up.  Darner really surprised in his very first year. Glad for him and GB. That kind of turn around may not happen at these other two.  A lot has to do with how the new guys are supported from the get-go.  Generally, a coach gets fired, and the next coach is stupid if he does not condition his job acceptance on the administration correcting the tangible things that might have held the predecessor back (for argument sake let's use an insufficient recruiting budget, or inadequate locker or practice facilities).  Those corrections take time to have an impact.  I don't know that much about UWM and WSU, but I seem to have gotten the impression that both will need to up the support ante to make all of this happen.
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: vu72 on March 17, 2016, 02:05:10 PM
Great. Now Milwaukee will also be coming after Bryce.   :o
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: a3uge on March 17, 2016, 02:10:29 PM


Quote from: VULB#62 on March 17, 2016, 01:57:59 PM
Quote from: a3uge on March 17, 2016, 01:34:59 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on March 17, 2016, 12:45:53 PM
In the meantime, the overall HL RPI continues to slide (noting the comment about the less than full cupboards at UWM and WSU for next year) and may slide even faster because of the firings/transitions. Selfishly, that does not bode well for Valpo in terms of our RPI going forward does it? We go into next season's scheduling with an even bigger HL albatross than this year hanging around our neck. And Monmouth's plight has shown that even good OOC scheduling doesn't guarantee an at-large.  Man, it's tough being a mid-major  :banghead:
NKU has a great class coming in, and UIC literally can't get any worse out of conference. CSU should also be much better.

But this conference has been struggling with recruiting because we have don't have any tournament wins to brag about anymore. That was a big sell from the top-down and it's why the conference was still in good shape after Butler. UWM and Wright State haven't been close to a team capable of winning in the tournament because they've haven't been close to the top 100. Switching coaches that have been mediocre isn't a bad thing for the conference.

In the long run that's what we all hope for, but, of course, no guarantees.  Short-term (the next two years, and especially next season with Alec and Derrik playing together) there's the distinct possibility that the league might bottom out before it swings back up.  Darner really surprised in his very first year. Glad for him and GB. That kind of turn around may not happen at these other two.  A lot has to do with how the new guys are supported from the get-go.  Generally, a coach gets fired, and the next coach is stupid if he does not condition his job acceptance on the administration correcting the tangible things that might have held the predecessor back (for argument sake let's use an insufficient recruiting budget, or inadequate locker or practice facilities).  Those corrections take time to have an impact.  I don't know that much about UWM and WSU, but I seem to have gotten the impression that both will need to up the support ante to make all of this happen.

Yeah, there's often turmoil for a couple years after switching coaches - but I think Jeter and Donlon were leaving the cupboard bare anyways. Both teams would be projected towards the bottom of the league. They're good coaches, but terrible recruiters. Instead of waiting another year on the road to nowhere with subpar recruits, they're making a switch at a better time.

I think both programs can attract decent coaches/recruiters - ones that can take either program to the top 100.

And YSU is insane for keeping Slocum. I think McCallum needs to go as well.
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: oklahomamick on March 18, 2016, 12:02:18 AM
Quote from: a3uge on March 17, 2016, 02:10:29 PMThey're good coaches, but terrible recruiters.

McCallum is the opposite of this. 
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: milwvu04 on March 18, 2016, 02:28:24 PM
Quote from: vu72 on March 17, 2016, 02:05:10 PM
Great. Now Milwaukee will also be coming after Bryce.   :o
Not if  :crazy: Sen. Lena Taylor has anything to say about it.

http://www.wisn.com/news/sen-lena-taylor-confronts-uwm-athletics-over-jeter-firing/38570090 (http://www.wisn.com/news/sen-lena-taylor-confronts-uwm-athletics-over-jeter-firing/38570090)

QuoteTaylor also said diversity in leadership at UWM could not be ignored.

"You need people like that as a part of UWM to change what I would call a 'legacy' of not doing good around diversity," she said.

Taylor later said she and Braun plan to meet to talk about her concerns.
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: a3uge on March 18, 2016, 04:44:59 PM
Quote from: milwvu04 on March 18, 2016, 02:28:24 PM
Quote from: vu72 on March 17, 2016, 02:05:10 PM
Great. Now Milwaukee will also be coming after Bryce.   :o
Not if  :crazy: Sen. Lena Taylor has anything to say about it.

http://www.wisn.com/news/sen-lena-taylor-confronts-uwm-athletics-over-jeter-firing/38570090 (http://www.wisn.com/news/sen-lena-taylor-confronts-uwm-athletics-over-jeter-firing/38570090)

QuoteTaylor also said diversity in leadership at UWM could not be ignored.

"You need people like that as a part of UWM to change what I would call a 'legacy' of not doing good around diversity," she said.

Taylor later said she and Braun plan to meet to talk about her concerns.
Another gem by Looney "don't you know who I am"  Lena.
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: VU75 on March 19, 2016, 09:26:27 PM
Quote from: vu72 on March 17, 2016, 02:05:10 PMGreat. Now Milwaukee will also be coming after Bryce. 

Maybe not Bryce but I imagine Greg Tonagel must be on the short list for a number of mid majors. 

Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: covufan on March 20, 2016, 09:25:56 AM

Quote from: VU75 on March 19, 2016, 09:26:27 PM
Quote from: vu72 on March 17, 2016, 02:05:10 PMGreat. Now Milwaukee will also be coming after Bryce.

Maybe not Bryce but I imagine Greg Tonagel must be on the short list for a number of mid majors.
i would hope that the Milwaukee and Wright State situations don't meet his criteria for "right situation ". I hope he gets some interview time this spring.


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Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: vu72 on March 20, 2016, 09:45:37 PM
Quote from: covufan on March 20, 2016, 09:25:56 AM

Quote from: VU75 on March 19, 2016, 09:26:27 PM
Quote from: vu72 on March 17, 2016, 02:05:10 PMGreat. Now Milwaukee will also be coming after Bryce.

Maybe not Bryce but I imagine Greg Tonagel must be on the short list for a number of mid majors.
i would hope that the Milwaukee and Wright State situations don't meet his criteria for "right situation ". I hope he gets some interview time this spring.


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Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: valpo64 on March 21, 2016, 10:16:35 AM
Now that the firing ball has started, let's hope that LaCrone is next
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: historyman on March 21, 2016, 02:15:05 PM
Quote from: valpo64 on March 21, 2016, 10:16:35 AM
Now that the firing ball has started, let's hope that LaCrone is next

I can't remember when a commissioner has been fired. That doesn't mean it hasn't happened recently but can anyone remember it happening?
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: usc4valpo on March 21, 2016, 04:04:57 PM
Sepp Blatter? Fay Vincent?
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: StlVUFan on March 21, 2016, 05:59:32 PM
Quote from: a3uge on March 17, 2016, 12:30:48 PMWe sit here and complain about how terrible the league has become, how there's only 1 team in the top 100 this year - well when these programs show a pulse and aren't happy with meagre results, we shouldn't jump on their throats.

There's a difference between showing a pulse and acting much more macho than you have a right to.  It's great to say, win the league or you're fired, but that's something I expect more from power conference teams (where it's make the NCAA tourney or you're fired).  I think both ADs are grading their coaches on a standard they couldn't possibly live up to given the resources they have at their disposal.  I could be wrong of course, but my perception is that Donlon especially overachieved.  As for his recruiting prowess, I can't evaluate that, so maybe he's not as good.  I would point out that Donlon has to recruit against Dayton, among other things.  I don't know how WSU's facilities compare to UD or other schools near there, but I have a feeling Donlon's handicapped on that score.  What I can see plainly is that he gets the most out of his players and has taken them to the title game 3 of the last 4 years.

Yesterday's DDN article indicated that Bob Grant is responding to fan unrest, which started steamrolling in November -- ironically during the time when they had an epidemic injuries.  When they got healthy, they won most of the time, but I get the impression the fans don't care much about the multiple injuries.  Grant -- you can tell from the article -- loves to flex his muscle.  He wants to get back to WSU being the bullies of the HL.

I thought Chris Mack put it perfectly the other day: "I don't know who WSU is pretending to be, but ..."  Nailed it.  WSU (and UWM, I think) are *pretending* they are a BCS school for which years like this year are absolutely not to be tolerated.  The problem isn't the aspiration.  The problem is they are *not* a BCS school, not even close, and most of that is beyond their control.  Treating your coach like he should be able to conquer the world when you're in the HL is insane in my opinion.

Who do you think is going to *want* that job, and are they going to be as good as Donlon was?  Actually, that question appears to be more appropos for UWM, where there is clearly huge unrest over what is going on up there.

If both strike gold and return to former glory, I will be very happy.  But it is hard for me to see it now.

When you challenge your team, there's a difference between stretch goals and stress goals.  The former addresses our tendency to get complacent and are good.  The latter stress us out and guarantee failure.  I see WSU and UWM operating with stress goals, and that concerns me.
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: aevans12 on March 23, 2016, 02:44:19 PM
Panther players are starting to make their way onto the transfer wire. This could eliminate them as a legitimate contender for quite some time. It is pretty sad things came to this and will be bad for the league.
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: motowntitan on March 23, 2016, 07:58:54 PM
Quote from: aevans12 on March 23, 2016, 02:44:19 PM
Panther players are starting to make their way onto the transfer wire. This could eliminate them as a legitimate contender for quite some time. It is pretty sad things came to this and will be bad for the league.

How so?

Jeter, Donlon, and McCallum are all .500 coaches.  Each had 1-2 good years, surrounded by bad to mediocre.  Maybe the schools can all hire better coaches.  Each coach had plenty of time to prove himself.
Note: McCallum has not been fired yet.




   
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: StlVUFan on March 23, 2016, 08:20:21 PM
Quote from: motowntitan on March 23, 2016, 07:58:54 PM
Quote from: aevans12 on March 23, 2016, 02:44:19 PM
Panther players are starting to make their way onto the transfer wire. This could eliminate them as a legitimate contender for quite some time. It is pretty sad things came to this and will be bad for the league.

How so?

Jeter, Donlon, and McCallum are all .500 coaches.  Each had 1-2 good years, surrounded by bad to mediocre.  Maybe the schools can all hire better coaches.  Each coach had plenty of time to prove himself.
Note: McCallum has not been fired yet.




   
I can't speak about WSU, but UWM does not strike me as a typical firing.  I am very concerned that Braun will have lots of trouble attracting a quality coach and any coach she does hire will have lots of trouble attracting the kind of recruits they are used to, never mind better ones.

The chancellor is also being lobbied heavily to fire her.  Who knows what will happen, but I am not confident in the least that they will right the ship any time soon.
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: a3uge on March 23, 2016, 08:45:12 PM


Quote from: StlVUFan on March 23, 2016, 08:20:21 PM
Quote from: motowntitan on March 23, 2016, 07:58:54 PM
Quote from: aevans12 on March 23, 2016, 02:44:19 PM
Panther players are starting to make their way onto the transfer wire. This could eliminate them as a legitimate contender for quite some time. It is pretty sad things came to this and will be bad for the league.

How so?

Jeter, Donlon, and McCallum are all .500 coaches.  Each had 1-2 good years, surrounded by bad to mediocre.  Maybe the schools can all hire better coaches.  Each coach had plenty of time to prove himself.
Note: McCallum has not been fired yet.




   
I can't speak about WSU, but UWM does not strike me as a typical firing.  I am very concerned that Braun will have lots of trouble attracting a quality coach and any coach she does hire will have lots of trouble attracting the kind of recruits they are used to, never mind better ones.

The chancellor is also being lobbied heavily to fire her.  Who knows what will happen, but I am not confident in the least that they will right the ship any time soon.

While Braun has been fairly incompetent with this whole thing, Jeter was making $450,000+ per year. That type of money can attract a decent coach. They have a decent budget (top 3 in Horizon?) and a nice arena (although their seats are ugly). They're a program that can do better than zero < 100 RPI seasons in the past 10 years.




Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: StlVUFan on March 23, 2016, 08:53:32 PM
The atmosphere up there has been poisoned up there is my point.  A lot of healing is needed before the actions you speak of will mean anything.

Jimmy Lemke can speak to this more authoritatively, of course.

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Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: a3uge on March 23, 2016, 10:22:02 PM


Quote from: StlVUFan on March 23, 2016, 08:53:32 PM
The atmosphere up there has been poisoned up there is my point.  A lot of healing is needed before the actions you speak of will mean anything.

Jimmy Lemke can speak to this more authoritatively, of course.

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I think Jimmy's going a little bit overboard. This sort of stuff happens all the time in college programs. Cheating bans (SMU), academic bans (UConn), sex scandals (NKU), poop scandals (UWGB)... These things all blow over quickly. Find a decent coach, and the next thing you're worrying about is having your coach leave for $700,000+.

The Horizon is a good conference still - decent budgets, good salaries. The ceiling of these programs is not a CIT bid, or hopefully a 15 seed in the NCAA tournament because your team played decent for a week stretch. UWM and Wright State are better than that. There's no excuse for IPFW having more top 100 RPI seasons than UWM and Wright State combined in the past 5 years. The incompetent, disgruntled ADs of those two programs weren't holding their basketball teams back - their coaches were. How many more seasons were they going to keep paying Jeter $450,000 until he turned a season that merited less than a 15 seed?

But like I said, it's really amateur hour for Amanda Braun. It's not a death sentence for the program though - they'll get a new coach, with the coaches own guys, and they'll run a new system. They'll be right back to the mediocre CIT-worthy spot the are right now in a couple years... except they'll actually be improving - not stuck in a rut like they've been the past 11 years.
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: StlVUFan on March 23, 2016, 10:23:55 PM
All I'll say is he's there and you're not ;)

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Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: a3uge on March 23, 2016, 10:38:51 PM
Quote from: StlVUFan on March 23, 2016, 10:23:55 PM
All I'll say is he's there and you're not ;)

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Like I said, this stuff blows over. Jimmy being an insider™ doesn't change my overview, which I think is more level headed than someone with emotional ties to the program.

But don't bookmark this to call me an idiot in 4 years!
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: StlVUFan on March 23, 2016, 10:40:14 PM
Whatever

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Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: oklahomamick on March 24, 2016, 07:12:14 AM
Jordan Johnson (2nd in the nation in assist) is transferring from UWM. 
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: VULB#62 on March 24, 2016, 08:17:32 AM
Quote from: aevans12 on March 23, 2016, 02:44:19 PM
Panther players are starting to make their way onto the transfer wire. This could eliminate them as a legitimate contender for quite some time. It is pretty sad things came to this and will be bad for the league.

I think the point was that UWM will drop off the table with the defer exodus and as a result the HL will have another bottom feeder for a couple years rather than a middle of the pack program, thus taking the HL RPI even further south.
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: oklahomamick on March 24, 2016, 09:25:57 AM
Add Akeem Springs and Austin Arians to the list to request.  They have been granted and are free to talk to other schools about potentially transferring.

Sounds like UWM will have a year like CSU had this year.  So yes another anchor.  We already had 4 anchors and a big reason we didn't get an at-large bid.

Another example of how the HL has had a negative impact on the Valpo bball program.  The dumpster fires at other schools directly affect us.  This doesn't even include LeCrone inabilities. 
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: FWalum on March 24, 2016, 09:36:38 AM
Quote from: oklahomamick on March 24, 2016, 07:12:14 AM
Jordan Johnson (2nd in the nation in assist) is transferring from UWM. 
While it is a definite possibility, the above statement is far from a certainty.  Read the article http://www.jsonline.com/sports/panthers/3-top-uwm-players-considering-leaving-team-b99693324z1-373273901.html (http://www.jsonline.com/sports/panthers/3-top-uwm-players-considering-leaving-team-b99693324z1-373273901.html)  Just hope the kids are able to do what is best for them. 

Jimmy Lemke (blackpantheruwm) lays forth a pretty reasonable argument that Amanda Braun has been sabotaging Rob Jeter and hence the MBB program in the HoriZone podcasts. If all of these players leave she will have effectively devastated the program's immediate future.
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: wh on March 24, 2016, 09:46:09 AM
Quote from: oklahomamick on March 24, 2016, 09:25:57 AM
Add Akeem Springs and Austin Arians to the list to request.  They have been granted and are free to talk to other schools about potentially transferring.

Sounds like UWM will have a year like CSU had this year.  So yes another anchor.  We already had 4 anchors and a big reason we didn't get an at-large bid.

Also, isn't next year going to be a complete rebuild at Wright State? 
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: wh on March 24, 2016, 09:58:15 AM
Quote from: FWalum on March 24, 2016, 09:36:38 AM
Quote from: oklahomamick on March 24, 2016, 07:12:14 AM
Jordan Johnson (2nd in the nation in assist) is transferring from UWM. 
While it is a definite possibility, the above statement is far from a certainty.  Read the article http://www.jsonline.com/sports/panthers/3-top-uwm-players-considering-leaving-team-b99693324z1-373273901.html (http://www.jsonline.com/sports/panthers/3-top-uwm-players-considering-leaving-team-b99693324z1-373273901.html)  Just hope the kids are able to do what is best for them. 

Jimmy Lemke (blackpantheruwm) lays forth a pretty reasonable argument that Amanda Braun has been sabotaging Rob Jeter and hence the MBB program in the HoriZone podcasts. If all of these players leave she will have effectively devastated the program's immediate future.

Jimmy had better be careful before her defenders accuse him of being phobic.   
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: Kyle321n on March 24, 2016, 09:59:06 AM
Well at least UIC shouldn't be an anchor next year. So you've got CSU, YSU, WSU, UWM for sure and UDM and NKU potentially. 60% anchors, that seems like a good sign for a strong league.
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: wh on March 24, 2016, 10:02:28 AM
Quote from: Kyle321n on March 24, 2016, 09:59:06 AM
Well at least UIC shouldn't be an anchor next year. So you've got CSU, YSU, WSU, UWM for sure and UDM and NKU potentially. 60% anchors, that seems like a good sign for a strong league.

Kampe over promising and under delivering has to be factored in, as well. 
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: covufan on March 24, 2016, 11:13:40 AM
Quote from: FWalum on March 24, 2016, 09:36:38 AMJimmy Lemke (blackpantheruwm) lays forth a pretty reasonable argument that Amanda Braun has been sabotaging Rob Jeter and hence the MBB program in the HoriZone podcasts. If all of these players leave she will have effectively devastated the program's immediate future.

I would like to think that a position such as AD would have only professionals that would/could never do such a thing as what is suggested.  However, I could see where a (myopic) person in such a position, allows their prejudice to carry over into their decision making in regards to someone they don't care for, which would appear to objective outsiders (and realists) as sabotage.  Either way, it is sabotage, and unfortunate even if only a perception to outsiders such as those on this board.

Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: oklahomamick on March 24, 2016, 02:23:27 PM
All-Freshman guard Jared Andrews from Youngstown is transferring. 
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: agibson on March 24, 2016, 08:43:35 PM
I don't know how much is jimmy's rabble rousing and how much is more general discontent. But, he's reported repeated incidents of (named?) significant donors to the university/UWM athletics that say they'll stop giving until the AD is gone.
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: bbtds on March 25, 2016, 11:06:59 AM
Quote from: aevans12 on March 23, 2016, 02:44:19 PM
Panther players are starting to make their way onto the transfer wire. This could eliminate them as a legitimate contender for quite some time. It is pretty sad things came to this and will be bad for the league.

There will be a turn around at UWM. They care too much. It might take the dismissal of their AD but it will happen under a different coach.
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: wh on March 25, 2016, 10:47:44 PM
Quote from: bbtds on March 25, 2016, 11:06:59 AM
There will be a turn around at UWM. They care too much. It might take the dismissal of their AD but it will happen under a different coach.

I follow their board pretty closely. Lots of passionate guys up there who proudly support Milw. bb. I can understand their frustration.  Their coach is gone and key players have announced their intention to leave. Time will tell whether a coaching change was a good idea, but unquestionably their AD made a bad situation worse by the way she handled it. Milw. is officially in major rebuild mode.
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: blackpantheruwm on March 28, 2016, 12:57:28 PM
Quote from: wh on March 24, 2016, 09:58:15 AMJimmy had better be careful before her defenders accuse him of being phobic.

They know better than to do that. Supporters of Braun know that two gay people stood up in my wedding - the one donor (I know of) who supports her was a guest at my wedding, and he's in her inner circle.

The blog post where I equated Amanda Braun to Rachel Phelps (fictional owner of the Indians in Major League) barely scratched the surface. That was just me putting out stuff that was at least out there, if not common knowledge. You'll notice that Braun's people didn't threaten me with any action, although according to the aforementioned donor I have "alienated" the fan base.

Have I really though? Go look at the Eunuch board (http://uwmfreak.proboards.com) (the name a now former donor gave to the Freak board). That fascist, anonymous-for-his-own-good admin, tight-ass little priss that he is, shut it down for a couple days to clear out a lot of the anti-Braun rhetoric. Notice none of the angry posts in support of Braun were deleted, only those who called her out for her screw-ups. As soon as the admin put it back online, the members of the board revolted - with plenty of them saying they're migrating over to the PantherU Board (http://pantheru.com/forum).

I decided to even take new membership money this month (access to the private premium forum) and donate it to the General Student Scholarship Fund at UWM. So these piss-ant little jerks can't even say I'm making a profit off of that board's member exodus.

Publicly, this battle is being fought by me, Akeem Springs (and a couple other players), state senator (and alum) Lena Taylor, and #1 donor David Nicholas. There are plenty of supporters for us. I've been emboldened by support sent to me by alumni, students, season ticket holders, donors, players (great kids), even some legislators on both sides of the aisle in Madison.

Should we have moved on from Jeter? I think there's an easy argument to make in support of that decision. Even his biggest supporters knew that 2016-17 was likely his last year.

But the A.D., and incredibly 2 of her 3 most recent predecessors, has deliberately sabotaged the basketball program. Why? I don't think Braun - or Andy Geiger or George Koonce before her - really wanted to hurt the program. I think that she and Koonce both wanted their own coach, and were willing to go to pretty ridiculous lengths to make it happen. Koonce had an awful plan to fire the staff and allow Jeter only one assistant to hire, effectively forcing him to quit. Braun was trying to cut into the program at any place she could.

The idea was simple - make the team bad enough that she has the cover to remove the coach. But wouldn't the obvious, better way of doing it been to support the coach as much as possible, with everything he needed, and get him out that way? 5 of Jeter's last 7 years the team won at least 19 games. In 2012-13 the team was so disheartened from going to Kareem and Oscar's house to the on-campus Klotsche Center (makes the ARC look like a palace) that they went 8-24. In 2014-15 the team essentially played a season of exhibition games with the APR ban that had nothing to do with them and went 14-16 (and still won 7 of their last 9).

It is not a stretch at all to say that even general support of the program by the AD would have boosted a team from 19-21 wins a year to 21-24, maybe 22-25 wins a year - how does that affect the program? Hell, she could have gotten a new coach after the 2014 NCAA Tourney run!

But no, let's not allow transfers and redshirts to travel with the team, limiting their practice by as much as 35% during the season. Let's not try and fix the practice situation, worst in the country, even temporarily before the practice facility gets finished. Did you know that the team routinely gets practice ended early because the ultimate frisbee intramurals are about to start? Did you know the players can't shoot outside gym business hours because the policy is they have to have a coach present and only when the gym is open? Did you know the team doesn't have a private gym, but practices on a floor that is booked every hour of every day during the week? I know the Valpo practice situation is far from perfect because of shared-use facilities as well, but there is literally no adequate place for players to put in individual work whenever they want.

Braun says the program is "funded at the highest level in the HL," yet 2014-15 numbers reported to the federal government put the team 4th behind Detroit, Valpo and Cleveland State. There is exactly one place where UWM spends more money than the rest of the conference, and that is the head coach's salary. She's been caught in lies to parents in email, donors, etc. Our #1 donor, David Nicholas, was so incensed that he went on the record with the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel in Gary D'Amato's piece. He's said there's a much bigger story coming, and I think we can expect that one this week since he was with the Badgers in Philly and they lost, and he doesn't leave for the Masters until next week.

We'll see. It's all a tenuous situation. I'm angry. I'm far from the only one, I just happen to be the loudest, most obnoxious one (although a couple fans on Twitter are trying to challenge me on that last one hahaha).
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: valpopal on April 07, 2016, 09:43:06 AM
Milwaukee has hired Michigan assistant coach LaVall Jordan as its next head coach.
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: Kyle321n on April 07, 2016, 09:53:02 AM
Not a terrible choice. Former assistant under Lickliter at Butler and Iowa and played in the HL.
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: talksalot on April 08, 2016, 10:49:53 AM
HL's Bill Potter tweeted:

Bill Potter ‏@billpotter_HL  2h2 hours ago

Fans can watch @LaVall_Jordan's introductory @MKE_MBB press conference on @ESPN3 or http://HorizonLeague.com  today at 5pm ET. #HLMBB
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: bbtds on April 08, 2016, 03:50:53 PM
Quote from: valpopal on April 07, 2016, 09:43:06 AM
Milwaukee has hired Michigan assistant coach LaVall Jordan as its next head coach.

http://mkepanthers.com/news/2016/4/7/milwaukee-names-lavall-jordan-mens-basketball-coach.aspx?path=mbball

Press conference at 4:00 p.m. CDT

http://es.pn/22hFGri
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: valpopal on April 12, 2016, 08:37:45 PM
Controversy concerning Milwaukee head coach hiring: http://www.wtmj.com/sports/college/exclusive-uwm-had-milwaukee-native-tj-otzelberger-tabbed-but-hired-lavall-jackson (http://www.wtmj.com/sports/college/exclusive-uwm-had-milwaukee-native-tj-otzelberger-tabbed-but-hired-lavall-jackson)
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: a3uge on April 12, 2016, 09:52:00 PM
I had heard rumblings of this from inside sources too. I was all for moving on from Jeter (way too expensive for 10 years of mediocre teams), but if they listened to Lena Taylor instead of going with their gut... well, they deserve to suck.
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: valpotx on April 12, 2016, 11:13:50 PM
Geez, if that is true, that is just a bumble f of a situation!
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: valpo04 on April 15, 2016, 09:18:00 AM
UW-Milwaukee Basketball Play-By-Play Guy Quits, Burns Every Single Bridge On Way Out (http://deadspin.com/uw-milwaukee-radio-play-by-play-guy-quits-burns-every-1771178090)

From his Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/p/BEM7tV0wRtP/):

Quotebjohnson613: To quote Groucho Marx "Hello, I must be going!" Before the decision is made for me, I am officially announcing my retirement as the voice of Milwaukee Panthers Men's basketball.

I would say it's taking the last life boat off the Titanic, but that would be unfair to the crew of the Titanic.

Never have so many competant, talented people been run off by such a talentless group of entitled beaurocrats. No matter how much the coaches, players, and support staff care, they can't overcome incompetent administrators.

UWM leads the world in incompetent administrators.

I criticize awful athletic directors like Koonce, Costello, Geiger, and Braun. It's not their fault. Hell, if they elected me President I'ld take the job. If I suck at it, it's not my fault. I'm not qualified to be President.

Should Amanda Braun turn down an AD job just because she's horribly under qualified? Hell no. She's a bad AD, and a deplorable human being, but those are the cards she's been dealt.

Those in charge of the UW System have failed to hire effective administrators. Failed. F F F F!

It has been my pleasure to work with the wonderful players and coaches for 17 seasons. The players, coaches, parents and the fans have been like my family.

I will miss Panther hoops the rest of my life.

Best of luck to my friends that are still imprisoned at UWM Athletics. Fight on, brothers (and sisters.) Keep your heads low and make us proud.

Finally, best of luck to LaVall Jordan, his staff, and the players. As so often happens in the NCAA, it's not your fault. Win and get out quick, because long term is fatal at UWM Athletics.

Panther Nation, it has been my pleasure.Cheers!

:o :o
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: VULB#62 on April 15, 2016, 09:59:58 AM
 :o  indeed.  What recruit in his right mind would risk going there?
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: a3uge on April 15, 2016, 10:17:19 AM


Quote from: valpo04 on April 15, 2016, 09:18:00 AM
UW-Milwaukee Basketball Play-By-Play Guy Quits, Burns Every Single Bridge On Way Out (http://deadspin.com/uw-milwaukee-radio-play-by-play-guy-quits-burns-every-1771178090)

From his Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/p/BEM7tV0wRtP/):

Quotebjohnson613: To quote Groucho Marx "Hello, I must be going!" Before the decision is made for me, I am officially announcing my retirement as the voice of Milwaukee Panthers Men's basketball.

I would say it's taking the last life boat off the Titanic, but that would be unfair to the crew of the Titanic.

Never have so many competant, talented people been run off by such a talentless group of entitled beaurocrats. No matter how much the coaches, players, and support staff care, they can't overcome incompetent administrators.

UWM leads the world in incompetent administrators.

I criticize awful athletic directors like Koonce, Costello, Geiger, and Braun. It's not their fault. Hell, if they elected me President I'ld take the job. If I suck at it, it's not my fault. I'm not qualified to be President.

Should Amanda Braun turn down an AD job just because she's horribly under qualified? Hell no. She's a bad AD, and a deplorable human being, but those are the cards she's been dealt.

Those in charge of the UW System have failed to hire effective administrators. Failed. F F F F!

It has been my pleasure to work with the wonderful players and coaches for 17 seasons. The players, coaches, parents and the fans have been like my family.

I will miss Panther hoops the rest of my life.

Best of luck to my friends that are still imprisoned at UWM Athletics. Fight on, brothers (and sisters.) Keep your heads low and make us proud.

Finally, best of luck to LaVall Jordan, his staff, and the players. As so often happens in the NCAA, it's not your fault. Win and get out quick, because long term is fatal at UWM Athletics.

Panther Nation, it has been my pleasure.Cheers!

:o :o

Bill Johnson telling other people they're bad at their job... That's funny. He WAS the worst play by play guy in the Horizon by far. Can't stand him constantly whining about the refs every play and declaring every possession was a travel.  It's not surprising he's extremely unprofessional in his departure. Good riddance, Bill.
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: valpopal on April 15, 2016, 10:26:05 AM
Quote from: VULB#62 on April 15, 2016, 09:59:58 AM
:o  indeed.  What recruit in his right mind would risk going there?


...and today comes news Akeem Springs will transfer to Minnesota.
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: covufan on April 15, 2016, 12:16:53 PM
Quote from: valpo04 on April 15, 2016, 09:18:00 AM
UW-Milwaukee Basketball Play-By-Play Guy Quits, Burns Every Single Bridge On Way Out (http://deadspin.com/uw-milwaukee-radio-play-by-play-guy-quits-burns-every-1771178090)

From his Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/p/BEM7tV0wRtP/):

Quotebjohnson613: To quote Groucho Marx "Hello, I must be going!" Before the decision is made for me, I am officially announcing my retirement as the voice of Milwaukee Panthers Men's basketball.

I would say it's taking the last life boat off the Titanic, but that would be unfair to the crew of the Titanic.

Never have so many competant, talented people been run off by such a talentless group of entitled beaurocrats. No matter how much the coaches, players, and support staff care, they can't overcome incompetent administrators.

UWM leads the world in incompetent administrators.

I criticize awful athletic directors like Koonce, Costello, Geiger, and Braun. It's not their fault. Hell, if they elected me President I'ld take the job. If I suck at it, it's not my fault. I'm not qualified to be President.

Should Amanda Braun turn down an AD job just because she's horribly under qualified? Hell no. She's a bad AD, and a deplorable human being, but those are the cards she's been dealt.

Those in charge of the UW System have failed to hire effective administrators. Failed. F F F F!

It has been my pleasure to work with the wonderful players and coaches for 17 seasons. The players, coaches, parents and the fans have been like my family.

I will miss Panther hoops the rest of my life.

Best of luck to my friends that are still imprisoned at UWM Athletics. Fight on, brothers (and sisters.) Keep your heads low and make us proud.

Finally, best of luck to LaVall Jordan, his staff, and the players. As so often happens in the NCAA, it's not your fault. Win and get out quick, because long term is fatal at UWM Athletics.

Panther Nation, it has been my pleasure.Cheers!

:o :o
Ouch!
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: oklahomamick on April 15, 2016, 12:43:18 PM
Quote from: a3uge on April 15, 2016, 10:17:19 AMt's funny. He WAS the worst play by play guy in the Horizon by far.



I think the hick at WSU is by far the worst. 
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: VULB#62 on April 15, 2016, 01:38:40 PM
USAToday has picked up the story.  Braun's "deplorable human being" has now got even more national exposure.

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/04/milwaukee-panthers-basketball-play-by-play-angry-rant

Might a libel suit come from this?
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: M on April 15, 2016, 01:58:24 PM
Any press is good press??
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: StlVUFan on April 15, 2016, 05:50:06 PM
Quote from: a3uge on April 15, 2016, 10:17:19 AMBill Johnson telling other people they're bad at their job... That's funny. He WAS the worst play by play guy in the Horizon by far. Can't stand him constantly whining about the refs every play and declaring every possession was a travel.  It's not surprising he's extremely unprofessional in his departure. Good riddance, Bill.

I don't doubt that he has good reason to feel the way he does about what's going on out there, but this is precisely the same thought I had (assuming that it's the guy I've heard a few times).  His professionalism was severely lacking in my opinion.

I'm sure he's far from the worst in that respect, but the only guy I've heard that was worse was that play-by-play guy for the Houston Cougars in the 2nd round of the 2008 CBI that we were stuck with because WVUR wasn't allowed to stream that night (Thank you very much, Gazelle Group; they heard from me on that one, for whatever good it might have done).
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: vufan75 on April 17, 2016, 08:57:39 PM
Austin Arians transfer to Wake Forest per twitter reports.
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: VULB#62 on April 18, 2016, 06:58:38 AM
Yep.  Here's the tweet. (Retweeted by Paul Oren)
[tweet]721893729561407488[/tweet]

Both he and Springs are going to P5 schools, though neither Minnesota (2-16/8-23) nor Wake (2-16/11-20) right now are world beaters. It says a little about the talent in the HL.
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: oklahomamick on April 18, 2016, 08:58:53 AM
I don't think chubby will play much.  Both have to sit out a year.  Springs has already transferred once. 
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: FWalum on April 18, 2016, 11:42:50 AM
Quote from: oklahomamick on April 18, 2016, 08:58:53 AM
I don't think chubby will play much.  Both have to sit out a year.  Springs has already transferred once. 
Arians can play right away as a graduate transfer. Quite frankly, from my perspective and experience, who wouldn't want to go to Wake Forest.  My daughter's experience there was extraordinary.
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: VULB#62 on April 18, 2016, 12:34:30 PM
Great school caught in a down athletic cycle right now (except for MSO).  Only 4800 undergrads - small college-like campus atmosphere but big time in all aspects. Took my daughter on a pre-college visit there.
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: oklahomamick on April 19, 2016, 07:01:13 AM
Quote from: FWalum on April 18, 2016, 11:42:50 AM
Quote from: oklahomamick on April 18, 2016, 08:58:53 AMI don't think chubby will play much.  Both have to sit out a year.  Springs has already transferred once.
Arians can play right away as a graduate transfer. Quite frankly, from my perspective and experience, who wouldn't want to go to Wake Forest.  My daughter's experience there was extraordinary.

Don't know if Danny will play him a lot of minutes.  I think Arians is a limited player.  But he's the one with the bball scholarship...
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: blackpantheruwm on April 23, 2016, 04:40:32 PM
Austin had some personal stuff going on last year and spent much of the off-season off the court. While his points per game went up slightly, he obviously regressed from his sophomore to junior year of eligibility.

Bill Johnson barely skimmed the surface. There's a lot more that he didn't touch on, some of which has been reported and some of which has not.
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: covufan on April 25, 2016, 08:22:08 AM
Quote from: blackpantheruwm on April 23, 2016, 04:40:32 PM
Austin had some personal stuff going on last year and spent much of the off-season off the court. While his points per game went up slightly, he obviously regressed from his sophomore to junior year of eligibility.

Bill Johnson barely skimmed the surface. There's a lot more that he didn't touch on, some of which has been reported and some of which has not.
What is going on at UWMilw?  The Twitter feeds need clarification?
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: blackpantheruwm on April 28, 2016, 04:36:43 PM
Quote from: covufan on April 25, 2016, 08:22:08 AM
Quote from: blackpantheruwm on April 23, 2016, 04:40:32 PM
Austin had some personal stuff going on last year and spent much of the off-season off the court. While his points per game went up slightly, he obviously regressed from his sophomore to junior year of eligibility.

Bill Johnson barely skimmed the surface. There's a lot more that he didn't touch on, some of which has been reported and some of which has not.
What is going on at UWMilw?  The Twitter feeds need clarification?

What's going on is the program is being headed up by someone whose job since Day 1 has been to sabotage the men's basketball program to the point that she could fire the head coach.

Rob Jeter's contract has been the center of a lot of problems. There was no buyout; so when AD Bud Haidet retired in 2009, Rob was under contract through something like 2014. He had automatic renewals and got one that extended it to 2016 back in 2011-12, and Braun negotiated one more year to get rid of most automatic renewals. Without a buyout, the university would have owed Jeter the balance of the contract - at 452k per year by the end of it (400k in 2006 and 440k in 2010, I believe), it's a lot of money to pay someone to not do anything. Every AD has tried to do things to sabotage the program.

- George Koonce tried forcing Jeter to fire all of his assistants and only hire one back. This was in writing and done in February 2010 when the Panthers were headed out on a big road swing. Obviously this was designed to get Jeter to quit, and would have gotten our program blackballed. Boosters intervened and got the chancellor to jettison Koonce. There were some personal things that arose that actually made the fire-Jeter plan moot and got Koonce gone. This is mostly in the papers.

- Rick Costello was an empty shirt who didn't engage in direct sabotage as much as he didn't know what he was doing. He announced at the February 2012 basketball luncheon (donors, boosters, players etc.) that the team would not be going to the postseason if they didn't qualify for the NCAA Tournament. He probably meant NCAA or NIT, but he only said NCAA. Half the team was there and they were just blown away. The players had all but cashed out for the season by the time the HLT came around, and a bunch of them paid for spring break right after we got eliminated by Butler only to find the Chancellor making the decision to pay for the CBI. They came out flat and lost. He also got rid of academic staff (eventually helped with APR ban) and negotiated incorrectly with the Wisconsin Center District, announcing to the team that even if they win the 2011-12 regular season title that they won't be able to host the HLT because the WCD booked that weekend. The team was 8-1 at the time. Would we have won the HL that year? Doubtful, we didn't have the post presence of the year before. But these are college kids. They were dejected, twice, by things the AD said. Do you think for one second that Mark LaBarbera would have ever made mistakes like this?

- Andy Geiger moved us to the on-campus 'arena' without ever walking inside it. The guy was there to keep us in the Horizon League by all means necessary; in early 2013 he took a phone call from someone - I can't say who - and told them that UWM was happy with the Horizon League. You can probably guess what that phone call was. The arena move just killed recruiting for us.

- Then you come to Braun. When I say every turn, I mean every turn. I can't talk about a lot of it because she's still here and there are a lot of media and social organizations putting in the effort to investigate around here. Of what's already out there? She canceled our summer foreign trip for 2015 because she said "it wouldn't look good" even though the trip was privately funded. Then she turns around and fires Jeter and staff, who as of now we owe about 625k of university money over three guys through next June. At the same time the university is looking at $30 million in annual budget cuts - how does that look, Amanda? All when Jeter was going to end his contract next spring. Amanda has said in the media that coaches 'aren't kept in the last year of their contracts,' but basic research shows that's B.S. - at South Dakota State, Scott Nagy was on a one-year contract every year. He's not the only coach like that, but since he's in the HL I figured that he's the easiest example. She turned down invites to all three postseason tournaments this year (also she tried to say that CBI/CIT weren't "official invites" - well duh, they aren't official until you say yes) and then lied to parents, players, boosters, donors etc. about the reasons. We know now she was planning to fire Jeter, but even still she could have said "we didn't feel this was the right time" instead of lying to everyone.

She's pissed off a lot of people, and what I've told you there is basically some of what's been reported thus far. Obviously I know more, but there's no chance I can share those and compromise investigations both inside the university and without.

I will say this: stay tuned. This party is far, far, far from over.
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: blackpantheruwm on April 28, 2016, 04:53:47 PM
I wanted to say one more thing: you guys got affected by her sabotage. A lot of the stuff is under the surface, but take the foreign trip alone into account - you did it this year and you had probably your best team since 1998, as far as I know. Milwaukee's last foreign trip was in 2010, preceding our 2011 championship. Butler went to Italy in the summer of 2009 - how did they do in 2009-10 anyways? Cleveland State did it in 2008, and they won the 2009 HLT and were the last non-Butler team to win in the NCAA Tournament.

So what does this tell me? Summer foreign trips help basketball teams, and they help them a lot. The talent is there, and maybe Valpo/MKE/Butler/CSU would have been just as good without the foreign trips. But you go, you have an unforgettable experience. You bond, you play basketball, you get a bunch of games and double that amount for practices. Teams become better because of those trips.

We didn't take one in summer 2015. We were 20-13. We were within one or two possessions of winning 9 of our 13 losses. This team needed one or two breaks in 9 losses - with an average amount of possessions around 70 - to go 29-4 instead. We weren't as good as Valpo, but a foreign summer trip could have given us just enough of a boost to win a few more games.

Had we won, say, even 5 of those 9 games - where would our RPI have been? And in turn, where would Valpo's have been? Valpo was one of the first couple teams out - if we were, say, 123 in the RPI instead of 173 - it doesn't kick you up 25 slots, but it might kick you up enough. That 12-point win at the ARC is stronger. That overtime win at the Arena is much bigger. We had a 1.06 positive impact on your RPI, 5th after you, GB, Oakland and Oregon. Oakland's impact was almost twice of what yours was, and if we were 25-8 instead of 20-13 our RPI would have been comparable to theirs.

It's not a stretch to say Amanda Braun's decisions - even the ones that are already public - may have knocked Valpo out of the NCAA Tournament.
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: wh on April 28, 2016, 06:39:14 PM
It makes the stuff we're dealing with, like the Don Bosco idiot luring David Scara away, seem trivial by comparison.
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: a3uge on April 28, 2016, 09:49:08 PM
Blaming UWM's disappointing season on not taking an overseas trip is a bit over the top...
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: blackpantheruwm on April 29, 2016, 09:19:37 AM
Quote from: a3uge on April 28, 2016, 09:49:08 PM
Blaming UWM's disappointing season on not taking an overseas trip is a bit over the top...

I'm not saying Milwaukee was going to win the conference or vault to the double-bye. I'm saying that the team would have gotten huge benefits from taking that foreign trip. That could have been a win or two or it could have been a bunch. You can't really quantify it, but our team lost a practice a week in 2014-15 and it showed. A summer trip adds five games against pro teams and a slew of practices.

Link: Mike Decourcy Story (http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball-news/194680-foreign-trips-a-huge-advantage-for-college-teams)

"I think it's a huge advantage." - Mick Cronin, Cincinnati

Ask coaches how big it is.

Of course, there are a myriad of other things I can't talk about.
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: Chairback on April 29, 2016, 08:06:40 PM
UWM played to their potential this year.  To me the AD is pushing the program forward.  They got lucky a few years ago and got into the tourney however with Jeter the program was not on the rise whatsoever.  It's taken a few steps backwards the last couple of years.

Your theory of your AD contributing to us not making the NCAA is weird. 

I think everyone at UWM needs to get behind your new coach and quit bitchin.  I actually like your new coach.
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: historyman on April 29, 2016, 10:48:50 PM
Quote from: Chairback on April 29, 2016, 08:06:40 PM
UWM played to their potential this year.  To me the AD is pushing the program forward.  They got lucky a few years ago and got into the tourney however with Jeter the program was not on the rise whatsoever.  It's taken a few steps backwards the last couple of years.

Your theory of your AD contributing to us not making the NCAA is weird. 

I think everyone at UWM needs to get behind your new coach and quit bitchin.  I actually like your new coach.

I believe Panther is arguing that if not for the interference from Braun that sabotaged the MKE men's BB program would have kept Jeter successful enough to keep the fans behind Jeter and win enough games to make it much more difficult for Braun to fire Jeter without a severe backlash.

OTOH I don't believe Valpo gets an NCAAT nod unless the whole bottom half of the HL had better records. MKE having a better record would have certainly helped but more help from the teams lower than the Panthers was necessary to get the NCAA committee's  at-large bid.
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: VULB#62 on April 30, 2016, 08:31:37 AM
Although an improved UWM wouldn't hurt, the losses to Ball State, Belmont and at least one L to WSU is what really killed our at large bid. But thanks Panther for making the effort  ;)
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: historyman on April 30, 2016, 10:03:26 AM
Quote from: VULB#62 on April 30, 2016, 08:31:37 AM
Although an improved UWM wouldn't hurt, the losses to Ball State, Belmont and at least one L to WSU is what really killed our at large bid. But thanks Panther for making the effort  ;)

Yes, I was not responding to Valpo's losses. They are what they are. I was responding in retrospect saying that Milwaukee could not have gotten Valpo into the NCAAT on it's own with a better record. Obviously Valpo having a better record could have gotten Valpo a lot farther towards the NCAAT bid than anything else.
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: VULB#62 on April 30, 2016, 10:34:13 AM
Speaking of those loses, I can't help but believe, given the same set of circumstances against similar opponents next season, that Matt's intensity on the bench, would help the players to will themselves to wins in at least half of those games. As good as BD was as a coach, IMO and I stated this a number of times in the past, his more laid back style, at times, did not always inject that booster shot of adrenalin that a coach sometimes needs to introduce to help players get over the hump or out of a funk. Hell, we won 30 games this year with BD's style, so I am in no way saying those loses were on him. What I am speculating is perhaps more intensity at the right time might have had an impact and due to the closeness of some losing score could have made a difference. Conversely, in this next year scenario, Matt's overall bench coaching, despite the intensity factor, might also lose us a game or two BD might have won.

It's  style. I just personally prefer a bit of a controlled intensity style, because these are still kids we are talking about, not fully mature professionals, and sometimes they just need a verbal kick in the pants, instead of reasoning, to snap out of a funk and tune back in.
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: oklahomamick on May 05, 2016, 02:14:02 PM
Jeter will be an assistant at UNLV. 
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: VULB#62 on May 09, 2016, 02:54:42 PM
There's sh@#storm brewing in Milwaukee. Click the Media Milwaukee link below for details.

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Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: blackpantheruwm on May 11, 2016, 09:27:20 AM
It's important to note that Media Milwaukee, the student reporters' online website, had their open records request for a very small window of AD Amanda Braun's e-mails for a couple weeks during March. If there's evidence of sabotage, it's almost certainly not in the blacked out sections of those e-mails - only referenced.
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: covufan on May 11, 2016, 10:24:08 AM
Quote from: blackpantheruwm on May 11, 2016, 09:27:20 AM
It's important to note that Media Milwaukee, the student reporters' online website, had their open records request for a very small window of AD Amanda Braun's e-mails for a couple weeks during March. If there's evidence of sabotage, it's almost certainly not in the blacked out sections of those e-mails - only referenced.
Could you imagine going back a few or several months?

The one I saw only had recipients and a subject, everything else was redacted/blacked out.  How can anyone on either side be sure that email should have been included in the search? 

The student reporters are getting a valuable lesson in journalistic investigation.  Stay neutral and follow the story.
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: FWalum on May 11, 2016, 10:46:14 AM
Quoteby Jimmy Lemke blackpantheruwm
Tiby speaks out
    Matt Tiby to skip graduation:
    PantherVision Story Link: https://vimeo.com/166108062 (https://vimeo.com/166108062)

    Media Milwaukee Story Link: http://mediamilwaukee.com/uncategori...y-amanda-braun (http://mediamilwaukee.com/uncategori...y-amanda-braun)
    I couldn't be more proud of Tiby. He's not shedding his attachment to the university - he's standing up and showing more Panther Pride than anyone who is shoving their head into the ground and pretending nothing is wrong.
    We need wholesale change. Rob Jeter is no longer our coach. Now we need to do everything we can to make sure LaVall Jordan can succeed.
    Keeping the AD is one thing that cannot be on the list.
The Tennis coach firing which is also the lead story in this video https://vimeo.com/165927712 (https://vimeo.com/165927712) is very interesting.
Title: Re: Rob Jeter fired at Milwaukee
Post by: M on May 19, 2016, 04:54:09 PM
Their pg Johnson is headed to UNLV