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Title: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: VULB#62 on August 23, 2017, 10:09:25 PM
This is pretty big. Not often do you see Valpo announcing a departure.

http://www.valpoathletics.com/mswim/news/2017-18/17511/hunte-steps-down-from-valpo-swimming-program/#.WZ5BiK2ZMo8

Bottom line: A Div-I coach has left Valpo to coach a club team. 

Uhh..... what does that mean????  What does this tell us about our program?  What does this tell us about priorities?

I hope this is the event that forces Valpo to make a strong commitment to this program. We are talking as many as 40 student athletes and little in the way of scholarship expense and Howard Hunte coached both the men's and women's squads.   
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: vu72 on August 24, 2017, 08:55:39 AM
Quote from: VULB#62 on August 23, 2017, 10:09:25 PM
This is pretty big. Not often do you see Valpo announcing a departure.

http://www.valpoathletics.com/mswim/news/2017-18/17511/hunte-steps-down-from-valpo-swimming-program/#.WZ5BiK2ZMo8

Bottom line: A Div-I coach has left Valpo to coach a club team. 

Uhh..... what does that mean????  What does this tell us about our program?  What does this tell us about priorities?

I hope this is the event that forces Valpo to make a strong commitment to this program. We are talking as many as 40 student athletes and little in the way of scholarship expense and Howard Hunte coached both the men's and women's squads.   

I'm guessing this was a big shock to Mark L as Howard just recently did the swimming part of the "Valpo In The Valley" series.  I would think that the swimming coach doesn't make enough to live on so perhaps this was addressed by having him coach both teams.  No doubt there is very very little commitment to swimming.
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: IndyValpo on August 24, 2017, 10:08:08 AM
Quote from: VULB#62 on August 23, 2017, 10:09:25 PM
This is pretty big. Not often do you see Valpo announcing a departure.

http://www.valpoathletics.com/mswim/news/2017-18/17511/hunte-steps-down-from-valpo-swimming-program/#.WZ5BiK2ZMo8

Bottom line: A Div-I coach has left Valpo to coach a club team. 

Uhh..... what does that mean????  What does this tell us about our program?  What does this tell us about priorities?

I hope this is the event that forces Valpo to make a strong commitment to this program. We are talking as many as 40 student athletes and little in the way of scholarship expense and Howard Hunte coached both the men's and women's squads.   
There is serious money in club swimming so this is not as surprising as it sounds
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: JD24 on August 24, 2017, 10:16:20 AM
Quote from: IndyValpo on August 24, 2017, 10:08:08 AMThere is serious money in club swimming so this is not as surprising as it sounds

Is swimming a sport where the club system is more or equally as important in terms of advancement as the collegiate system...such as a sport like gymnastics would be?
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: covufan on August 24, 2017, 01:48:54 PM
Quote from: JD24 on August 24, 2017, 10:16:20 AM
Quote from: IndyValpo on August 24, 2017, 10:08:08 AMThere is serious money in club swimming so this is not as surprising as it sounds

Is swimming a sport where the club system is more or equally as important in terms of advancement as the collegiate system...such as a sport like gymnastics would be?
My guess would be more important to international swimming, as the restrictions of practice time for NCAA sports force Olympic athletes to give up the NCAA sport to be competitive. 
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: covufan on August 24, 2017, 01:50:38 PM
Quote from: IndyValpo on August 24, 2017, 10:08:08 AM
Quote from: VULB#62 on August 23, 2017, 10:09:25 PM
This is pretty big. Not often do you see Valpo announcing a departure.

http://www.valpoathletics.com/mswim/news/2017-18/17511/hunte-steps-down-from-valpo-swimming-program/#.WZ5BiK2ZMo8

Bottom line: A Div-I coach has left Valpo to coach a club team. 

Uhh..... what does that mean????  What does this tell us about our program?  What does this tell us about priorities?

I hope this is the event that forces Valpo to make a strong commitment to this program. We are talking as many as 40 student athletes and little in the way of scholarship expense and Howard Hunte coached both the men's and women's squads.   
There is serious money in club swimming so this is not as surprising as it sounds
Not surprised here.  I'm sure the club team has a metered pool, which may be an advantage.
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: VUSWIM08-12 on August 25, 2017, 10:38:13 PM
Right, there is quite a bit of money in club swimming. Howard was there for 9 seasons, and they(MLB and Administration) did nothing to help the longevity of the program. They spent 25-30k a couple years ago for a new timing system and he had to keep on them for years just to get that. I don't blame him at all for leaving. It will probably take them at least 6-8 more weeks to get someone hired which by that point a third of the season will be gone. The interim, Andrea Bretl,will do a great job (she tutored the Men's Basketball team last season). I had a whole rant written,but decided to delete it. I really do love Valpo,I always have, I'm always keeping up on all the sports,but I just wish they would do something to help the swim program i.e. more scholarship, bigger budget, new pool, just something, anything!
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: VULB#62 on August 26, 2017, 07:50:00 AM
I was hoping you'd weigh in SWIM08-24.  Most of us on the board follow other sports more deeply, so swimming is not always a priority. You probably have friends and classmates more closely connected to Valpo swimming. So, please stay on top of this to the degree you can and help the rest of us stay clued in. Let's hope the administration gets the wake up call.
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: FWalum on October 09, 2017, 08:44:48 AM
Surprised this did not receive more attention when I posted it to the thread about Dr Heckler visiting Fort Wayne.  He gave us this little tidbit of information about the swimming pool situation.
Quote from: VULB#62 on October 06, 2017, 05:41:27 PM
Quote from: FWalum on October 06, 2017, 04:41:01 PM
Quote from: crusader05 on October 06, 2017, 03:50:01 PM
A whole lot would have to happen before the baseball field would be moved. We would probably need the new Rec center and ARC renovation to replace Kroenke Hall and the full moving of Art and Psychology and Social Work from that part of campus towards the center part of campus would need to occur. We still haven't completed the STEM quad and I believe they want a new facility for Business so that Psych can take over Urschel.

Basically, we need a lot of dominos. First of all though we need a huge donor or some sort of community/city collaboration for the new Rec center and (hopefully) updated pool.
Another tidbit... Doesn't look like we will need an updated pool (in a good way).

Huh?
REGULAR MEETING OF THE BOARD OF SCHOOL TRUSTEES VALPARAISO COMMUNITY SCHOOLS
By the first of July, 2017 we will have all of the projects bid out with the exception of the natatorium and the Porter County Career Center[/quote]
Was told that VU will be partnering with the school system when this bid for the natatorium is let.
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: valpo64 on October 09, 2017, 09:25:31 AM
Is swimming really that big of a deal?
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: VULB#62 on October 09, 2017, 09:32:12 AM
I saw your response to my "huh?"  That is good news for the swimming program.  Hopefully the project gets bid soon.  Now the speculation begins as to WHERE the natatorium will be located.  I don't see it being built right on the VU campus but, hopefully, it will be within easy commuting distance of the campus. How about that plot of land off Lincolnway (3D Building lot???)?  Maybe VU could contribute that land and throw in a few extra bucks as a part of the partnership?


While on swimming, I just noticed that the men's and women's swimming teams both lost their first meets of the season to Eastern Illinois at HOME in the ARC (Men: 122-140; Women: 94-167).  They have 4 home meets this year and the men actually beat EIU last season in the ARC pool.
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: FWalum on October 09, 2017, 09:46:51 AM
Quote from: VULB#62 on October 09, 2017, 09:32:12 AMNow the speculation begins as to WHERE the natatorium will be located.  I don't see it being built right on the VU campus but, hopefully, it will be within easy commuting distance of the campus.
President Heckler said that initially VU wanted it on campus, but the school system did not feel that it would be as accessible to their students as they would like, so it will not be on campus.  He did not say where it would be located.
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: valpotx on October 10, 2017, 01:32:16 AM
This would be huge, as we would attract better student-athletes.  If we can get S&D to be competitive, and with the strides in T&F, we can be competitive in all sports!
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: sfnmman on October 10, 2017, 10:25:53 AM
From this article in the August 13, 2017 Post Tribune, it sounds like the natatorium will be at Valparaiso High School.

"Heavilin Elementary School, at 2450 Heavilin Road, is $17 million. The school corporation's other eight elementary schools, as well as Valparaiso High School,
are in various phases of expansion and renovation.

The work at Cooks Corners and Memorial schools will be complete by Christmas, Frataccia said, with the remainder of the elementary schools done by July 2018.

The high school will nearly be complete by July 2018, with work starting on a new natatorium there in the spring and likely complete for the 2019-2020 school year, he said."
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: vu72 on October 10, 2017, 10:47:01 AM
Quote from: sfnmman on October 10, 2017, 10:25:53 AM
From this article in the August 13, 2017 Post Tribune, it sounds like the natatorium will be at Valparaiso High School.

"Heavilin Elementary School, at 2450 Heavilin Road, is $17 million. The school corporation's other eight elementary schools, as well as Valparaiso High School,
are in various phases of expansion and renovation.

The work at Cooks Corners and Memorial schools will be complete by Christmas, Frataccia said, with the remainder of the elementary schools done by July 2018.

The high school will nearly be complete by July 2018, with work starting on a new natatorium there in the spring and likely complete for the 2019-2020 school year, he said."

Not sure how VU would be "partnering" with the city if it is located at the high school.  Would we pay part of the cost?  In exchange would we have first right to availability/scheduling?
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: FWalum on October 10, 2017, 12:16:01 PM
Quote from: vu72 on October 10, 2017, 10:47:01 AM
Quote from: sfnmman on October 10, 2017, 10:25:53 AM
From this article in the August 13, 2017 Post Tribune, it sounds like the natatorium will be at Valparaiso High School.

"Heavilin Elementary School, at 2450 Heavilin Road, is $17 million. The school corporation's other eight elementary schools, as well as Valparaiso High School,
are in various phases of expansion and renovation.

The work at Cooks Corners and Memorial schools will be complete by Christmas, Frataccia said, with the remainder of the elementary schools done by July 2018.

The high school will nearly be complete by July 2018, with work starting on a new natatorium there in the spring and likely complete for the 2019-2020 school year, he said."

Not sure how VU would be "partnering" with the city if it is located at the high school.  Would we pay part of the cost?  In exchange would we have first right to availability/scheduling?

This maybe just semantics, but we are partnering with the school system not the city. President Heckler did not elaborate on what we are paying and what our rights to availability might be. He did say that having it on campus was ruled out because the school system feared reduced access for their students.
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: VULB#62 on October 10, 2017, 12:51:33 PM
Quote from: FWalum on October 10, 2017, 12:16:01 PM

This maybe just semantics, but we are partnering with the school system not the city. President Heckler did not elaborate on what we are paying and what our rights to availability might be. He did say that having it on campus was ruled out because the school system feared reduced access for their students.

Doesn't it go both ways?  Originally I was hoping for a 'neutral' location -- that is, a centrally located facility in the community that would be as near as equally accessible to VU as it would be to VHS and maybe the middle schools.  I missed the point that it was the school system and not the community in general that was the main party.  That's why my hope was that it would be a multi-use facility:  competitive swimming and diving for both VHS and VU along with access to the community throughout the year.  The 3-D property would have been big enough for a facility that would be able to to handle all of these constituents.
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: crusader05 on October 10, 2017, 01:20:30 PM
Well my guess is that College students have more mobility than high school students. Most High school students swim practice occur early in the morning before classes start. Having it on campus means parents would have to drop them off at the University than find a way to bring them to the school for classes as my guess is that bus availability would be limited as that is when they would be out picking up all the students. College students are all over 16 and can travel easily. I mean on a big campus the distance from a student's dorm to the pool could be almost as long as the distance from campus to the high school.
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: valpopal on October 20, 2017, 04:21:12 PM
I am hearing that the Valparaiso Community Schools have committed to building a new 50-meter natatorium for next year. More details will be forthcoming, and it will be interesting to see if there is any connection to VU swimming.
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: FWalum on October 20, 2017, 04:34:33 PM
Quote from: valpopal on October 20, 2017, 04:21:12 PM
I am hearing that the Valparaiso Community Schools have committed to building a new 50-meter natatorium for next year. More details will be forthcoming, and it will be interesting to see if there is any connection to VU swimming.
I mentioned  A couple of weeks ago that  President  Heckler told me that VU would be partnering in that 50 m Natatorium.

Look up about 10 posts.
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: valpopal on October 20, 2017, 07:11:37 PM
Quote from: FWalum on October 20, 2017, 04:34:33 PM
Quote from: valpopal on October 20, 2017, 04:21:12 PM
I am hearing that the Valparaiso Community Schools have committed to building a new 50-meter natatorium for next year. More details will be forthcoming, and it will be interesting to see if there is any connection to VU swimming.
I mentioned  A couple of weeks ago that  President  Heckler told me that VU would be partnering in that 50 m Natatorium.

Look up about 10 posts.

I saw your post, but it did not specify the 50-meter size, and it had no details about the VU partnership; thus, my comment about forthcoming details that might offer more complete information.
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: VUSWIM08-12 on October 26, 2017, 02:06:15 AM
These rumors have been going around for years, but this time it seems like it might actually come to fruition. Really hoping it does for the Valpo swim community! I have also heard over the last decade that once they get the team into a new pool there would be a significant amount of scholarship added to both sides. I have my doubts about all of this because there have  been so many rumors over the last few years, but hopefully this time it becomes reality.

Also hoping they get a head coach hired soon. I saw the job posting was taken down so it should just be a matter of days. I had the resume to apply, but just started a head coaching gig at the NAIA level and it just didn't seem right at this time. Plus I have 5x the amount of scholarship to work with  :crazy: Looking forward to seeing how this all plays out, and at least they aren't cutting the program like Wright State and many others!
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: VULB#62 on October 26, 2017, 08:16:29 AM
Congrats on the new head coaching gig, VUSWIM.
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: VU2014 on November 17, 2017, 01:21:50 PM
Valpo just hired a new *EDIT: Men's & Women's Swimming Coach.

https://twitter.com/valpoathletics/status/931600923427819520
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: vusupporter on November 17, 2017, 01:30:06 PM
She will be coaching both the men and women, according to the story.
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: VU2014 on November 17, 2017, 01:49:35 PM
It's pretty rare for both men's & women's teams to be coached by the same coaching staff, correct?
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: valpotx on November 17, 2017, 02:36:23 PM
Congratulations to her/us, as she has a great pedigree!
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: FieldGoodie05 on November 17, 2017, 05:49:15 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on November 17, 2017, 01:49:35 PM
It's pretty rare for both men's & women's teams to be coached by the same coaching staff, correct?

Might be as rare to have a men's swim team post Title 9.  Seems like field hockey, swimming, volleyball (to name a few) help universities meet their quotas.
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: VULB#62 on November 17, 2017, 08:18:14 PM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on November 17, 2017, 05:49:15 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on November 17, 2017, 01:49:35 PM
It's pretty rare for both men's & women's teams to be coached by the same coaching staff, correct?

Might be as rare to have a men's swim team post Title 9.  Seems like field hockey, swimming, volleyball (to name a few) help universities meet their quotas.

Her predecessor also coached both swim teams. CC and T&F also share a single staff across both men and women.
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: FWalum on November 17, 2017, 09:16:49 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on November 17, 2017, 01:49:35 PM
It's pretty rare for both men's & women's teams to be coached by the same coaching staff, correct?
Daughter was a swimmer and it is actually pretty common for one coach to do both.
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: VULB#62 on November 17, 2017, 10:40:45 PM
What is tough here is that the men swim in the Summit while the women swim in the MVC.
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: FWalum on November 18, 2017, 12:26:23 AM
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 17, 2017, 10:40:45 PM
What is tough here is that the men swim in the Summit while the women swim in the MVC.
Very good point, I had not figured that into the equation. That certainly is not the norm.
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: VULB#62 on November 18, 2017, 07:44:03 AM
In the HL didn't both teams usually travel together to the same sites but then competed separately?
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: JD24 on November 18, 2017, 09:27:54 AM
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 17, 2017, 08:18:14 PM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on November 17, 2017, 05:49:15 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on November 17, 2017, 01:49:35 PMIt's pretty rare for both men's & women's teams to be coached by the same coaching staff, correct?
Might be as rare to have a men's swim team post Title 9.  Seems like field hockey, swimming, volleyball (to name a few) help universities meet their quotas.
Her predecessor also coached both swim teams. CC and T&F also share a single staff across both men and women.

This is not completely unusual in XC and T&F even within major programs. The major difference is that the major programs might have a HC plus an assistant who runs the XC and/or T&F programs for each gender.
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: VUSWIM08-12 on November 22, 2017, 02:58:20 AM
Only a few elite Power 5 schools have separate coaches for Men's and Women's swimming. Ohio State, for example, had separate coaches until 2 years ago when they decided to recombine them. They also had different meets, but now they travel together. The issue with Valpo and the MVC/Summit league championships is that they are on the exact same weekend so the head coach will have to go with one team while the assistant goes with the other. Not a good deal all around but it was a move for basketball of course.

VULB#62- Yes they travel together, but meets are scored separately. Each event has a men's heat and a women's heat
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: valpotx on November 22, 2017, 11:54:49 AM
It was a move for all of the 'major' sports at Valpo, not just basketball.  The conference has a history of multiple bids in the main team sports. 
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: VUGrad1314 on November 23, 2017, 03:51:01 AM
Precisely. The move to the MVC is better for most every athlete at VU. It's a step up in basketball baseball volleyball soccer and softball. Some  sports will see more of a bump in competition than others but this was a good move for most every sport Valpo competes in.
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: VUSWIM08-12 on November 24, 2017, 02:42:05 AM
The move was made because of basketball aka money, take away our recent success in bball and we never get invited to the MVC. I never said that it was a bad thing, and yes the MVC competes at a higher level  in almost every sport. The move was great for Valpo as a whole but swimming got the raw end of the deal just like it did when Valpo moved to the HL.
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: IndyValpo on November 24, 2017, 06:16:18 AM
When was the last time Valpo had a diver on either roster?
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: VUSWIM08-12 on November 24, 2017, 06:11:27 PM
My freshman year, 08-09. The board had issues and I don't think they would replace it. Diving is completely different from swimming so they have to have their own coach which costs money. The previous coach didn't want to spend the little budget he had on a diving coach so he just let it go. It puts the team at a disadvantage to begin with if the other team has diving which most do.
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: VULB#62 on November 24, 2017, 07:31:46 PM
I can relate to that. Whole different athletic event. The only commonality is that diving eventually ends up in the same pool as the swimming. It is a disadvantage, but the points involved are not overwhelming.
The diving coac( has a tofally different set of sk8lls to coach. It is not swimming in any way. But the diver does eventually get wet.
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: valpotx on November 24, 2017, 08:47:21 PM
Is that why we are always killed in the overall scores in S&D, because we no longer have divers?  We lose to D3 schools...
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: VULB#62 on November 24, 2017, 09:07:17 PM
No. It is only one, possibly two events in a meet. When I coached swimming at a high school in NY in another life, we basically forefitted diving though we had a couple of kids who competed. We just didn't have a skilled coach for that.
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: VUSWIM08-12 on November 25, 2017, 05:49:48 PM
Quote from: valpotx on November 24, 2017, 08:47:21 PMIs that why we are always killed in the overall scores in S&D, because we no longer have divers?  We lose to D3 schools...

Over my 4 years we(the men's team) beat one DI school(IUPUI) and a couple DIII schools at invitationals. Had we had a couple solid divers the men would have won two more dual meets  against Western and Eastern Illinois but thats only 3 wins over 4 years(I remember these because we considered them wins anyway), Valpo never beat a HL team( the women may have beat Butler once, I would have  to look over the results) and I think the men may have beat 3-4 total relays from HL schools over the years( mostly because those teams got DQ'ed). The women did very well in 2015 beating several HL schools in relays at the HL championship, but other than that we lost, a lot.
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: VUSWIM08-12 on February 15, 2018, 12:57:19 PM
Swimmer Dylan Kirar sets school record in the preliminaries of the 500 free, he is the 8th spot heading into tonights final. Summit league is much better for the men however the women are struggling at the MVC Championships.
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: vu72 on February 15, 2018, 01:15:39 PM
Quote from: VUSWIM08-12 on February 15, 2018, 12:57:19 PM
Swimmer Dylan Kirar sets school record in the preliminaries of the 500 free, he is the 8th spot heading into tonights final. Summit league is much better for the men however the women are struggling at the MVC Championships.

It must be difficult to know your team will finish last.  Obviously, it is also an individual sport but still, when a new school record finishes 8th, that isn't saying much about the record.  Still, good for Dylan!! :clap:
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: FieldGoodie05 on February 15, 2018, 02:45:00 PM
Quote from: vu72 on February 15, 2018, 01:15:39 PM
Quote from: VUSWIM08-12 on February 15, 2018, 12:57:19 PM
Swimmer Dylan Kirar sets school record in the preliminaries of the 500 free, he is the 8th spot heading into tonights final. Summit league is much better for the men however the women are struggling at the MVC Championships.

It must be difficult to know your team will finish last.  Obviously, it is also an individual sport but still, when a new school record finishes 8th, that isn't saying much about the record.  Still, good for Dylan!! :clap:

Track and Field was no different, we just cared about PR and records.  Obviously seeing teammates succeed is awesome though.
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: VUSWIM08-12 on February 22, 2019, 08:06:13 PM
Congrats to the valpo men's team taking down a school record in the 800 free relay , and freshman Dominic May taking down the 200 free individual record!!
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: VU2014 on July 11, 2019, 05:13:54 PM
The coach is stepping down. Anyone have any insight? Leaving for a bigger job?

https://twitter.com/swimswamnews/status/1149436992402481152
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: vu72 on July 11, 2019, 06:49:13 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on July 11, 2019, 05:13:54 PMLeaving for a bigger job?

:rotfl:
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: VULB#62 on July 11, 2019, 09:52:12 PM
Quote from: vu72 on July 11, 2019, 06:49:13 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on July 11, 2019, 05:13:54 PMLeaving for a bigger job?

:rotfl:

Actually, there are bigger BETTER jobs in swimming than coaching VU swimming. There are some really good jobs in swim clubs as well as colleges (D-III definitely) and even high schools (if you are ok with also teaching some classes). 

The theme is consistent, however. In order for a sport at Valpo to break out of mediocrity or, worse, ineptness, requires an investment in coaching, a decent recruitment budget and, yes, equipment and facilities ( but the first two are primary). You can see that in the effort made to raise football above .500. Proportionally, the same effort needs to be applied across the board.

My next thought will probably bring a ton of criticism but here goes.  We complain about student interest and support of our teams.  So....... Revise new student recruitment/admission priorities  to primarily focus mainly on two factors - academics and athletics. We are fighting for survival here people. We need energized undergrads and then energized alums after graduation.  Go after the good high school athlete with great grades who wants a solid career in.... whatever. AND/OR go after the really smart kid who is also a high school athlete who wants a great career in..... whatever. They are the graduates who will follow Valpo after graduation and talk up the university afterwards as being a great overall experience.  They will care more than the kid who just wants a degree and spends most of their time in their dorm room or a classroom or on video games.

Although it might not be entirely accurate and I have no statistics to back this up, this board, IMO, reflects exactly what I am asserting. I'll bet most, if not all, of us played HS sports and even though some of us never played at the college level we understand the dynamic I am am speaking about.
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: vu72 on July 12, 2019, 08:24:42 AM
Quote from: VULB#62 on July 11, 2019, 09:52:12 PMActually, there are bigger BETTER jobs in swimming than coaching VU swimming.

I think you miss my point.  It would be hard to NOT find a better swim job than coaching at Valpo.  It probably was a job where the coach needed to be working another spot just to cover the bills.
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: VULB#62 on July 12, 2019, 08:56:52 AM
Yep, 72, it went right over my head  ;D
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: VUSWIM08-12 on August 13, 2019, 04:50:01 PM
Ahhh , I've been thinking about applying but Valpo has just never given the resources the swim program needs. I've got 4 seasons as a DIII assistant, 1 season as a NAIA head coach( the team would have beat valpo in dual) and now I'm coaching club . I make probably 7-10k more than I'd start out at Valpo and I work less hours . I love Valpo so I may apply.
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: VULB#62 on August 13, 2019, 06:39:51 PM
Apply. Set your minimums. If they are met, fine. If not. Don't accept
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: VUSWIM08-12 on November 23, 2019, 04:45:32 PM
Valpo Women set a new school on the 400 Medley Relay. They didn't just beat the record but absolutely destroyed it by 6 seconds. Congrats ladies. http://valpoathletics.com/mswim/news/2019-20/19530/womens-medley-relay-record-highlights-opening-day-of-phoenix-fall-classic/
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: valpotx on November 23, 2019, 06:10:18 PM
Do we think that we will offer more scholarships in S&D, with the reduction of sports?
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: JD24 on November 23, 2019, 08:01:19 PM
Quote from: valpotx on November 23, 2019, 06:10:18 PMDo we think that we will offer more scholarships in S&D, with the reduction of sports?
Does Valpo offer scholarships for Swimming and Diving? I'm not sure what the scholarship sports are other than Basketball. Maybe both soccer programs (to this point)?
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: vu72 on November 23, 2019, 08:20:11 PM
Quote from: JD24 on November 23, 2019, 08:01:19 PM
Quote from: valpotx on November 23, 2019, 06:10:18 PMDo we think that we will offer more scholarships in S&D, with the reduction of sports?
Does Valpo offer scholarships for Swimming and Diving? I'm not sure what the scholarship sports are other than Basketball. Maybe both soccer programs (to this point)?


http://www.speeddevelopment.net/ncaa_college_scholarship_rules_and_limits_-_collegeathletes.com.pdf
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: JD24 on November 23, 2019, 08:34:04 PM
Quote from: vu72 on November 23, 2019, 08:20:11 PM
Quote from: JD24 on November 23, 2019, 08:01:19 PM
Quote from: valpotx on November 23, 2019, 06:10:18 PMDo we think that we will offer more scholarships in S&D, with the reduction of sports?
Does Valpo offer scholarships for Swimming and Diving? I'm not sure what the scholarship sports are other than Basketball. Maybe both soccer programs (to this point)?
http://www.speeddevelopment.net/ncaa_college_scholarship_rules_and_limits_-_collegeathletes.com.pdf
I know how many scholarships a program CAN offer. My question was which sports does Valpo offer scholarships for?
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: usc4valpo on November 24, 2019, 09:55:29 AM
Valpo swimming should be a club sport. Quit wasting energy on this.
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: FieldGoodie05 on November 24, 2019, 12:21:46 PM
Quote from: usc4valpo on November 24, 2019, 09:55:29 AM
Valpo swimming should be a club sport. Quit wasting energy on this.

Honest question, I know you are disillusioned with our AD.  If you were AD for a day,

1) What's our D1 sports team count?  I submit we have 17 rather than 19 because I don't count Indoor T&F and Outdoor T&F as separate teams despite having two conference championship tournaments.  (My vote is 17 to stay with our peers)
2). What sports WOULD you have in a listed format?  Please identify M or W (ie M Basketball or W Basketball).
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: usc4valpo on November 24, 2019, 12:34:54 PM
Actually, I am not disillusioned with MLB. He has done a decent job. I would not say our standing but I would say pretty good. For some reason Valpo is low on cash for athletics or more likely Valpo administration is not committed to the rest of the MVC or Pioneer conference. The records speak for itself.

Two things however:
1. Why have swimming as a varsity sport knowing that you will always be  inferior against your competition? I say having a sport just to provide it without a mission for success is wrong.

2. MLB has been around for 15 years, and that is quite extensive for any position. Similar to industry, sometimes a change to shake things up is painful but good in the long run.
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: VUSWIM08-12 on November 25, 2019, 01:05:08 PM
Valpo Swimming has one full ride on each side so women get one and men get one to divide among the team. MLB is more of pawn for the board of trustees, he just does what they tell him. Maybe they gave him an amount of money he needed to cut and he selected soccer and tennis, really shocked it wasn't swimming honestly. I think they have the women's team around to fullfill Title IX but no clue why the men's team is around. I heard last fall they were cutting the men according to someone around the program.
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: valpotx on March 04, 2021, 06:28:28 PM
This move just makes sense, when you look at the other MVC institutions that also have Men's Swimming.  I have to believe that this will make the program feel better, as well.  Now, let's actually do something in S&D for once!

http://www.valpoathletics.com/mswim/news/2020-21/20249/valpo-mens-swimming-to-join-mac-as-affiliate-member/
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: IndyValpo on March 06, 2021, 07:15:04 AM
Quote from: valpotx on March 04, 2021, 06:28:28 PM
This move just makes sense, when you look at the other MVC institutions that also have Men's Swimming.  I have to believe that this will make the program feel better, as well.  Now, let's actually do something in S&D for once!

http://www.valpoathletics.com/mswim/news/2020-21/20249/valpo-mens-swimming-to-join-mac-as-affiliate-member/
I wonder why the MAC sponsors Men's Swimming when only 2 MAC schools participate?
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: usc4valpo on March 06, 2021, 08:07:32 PM
Let us be realistic - if Valpo removed swimming as an NCAA sport, what is the impact?
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: valpotx on April 17, 2021, 12:10:21 AM
Congrats to our first men's champion since I was in school!

http://www.valpoathletics.com/mswim/news/2020-21/20420/may-wins-200-free-bennett-sets-program-record-to-lead-valpo-men-friday-at-summit-championships/
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: VUGrad1314 on April 19, 2021, 10:13:06 PM
Quote from: valpotx on March 04, 2021, 06:28:28 PMThis move just makes sense, when you look at the other MVC institutions that also have Men's Swimming.  I have to believe that this will make the program feel better, as well.  Now, let's actually do something in S&D for once! http://www.valpoathletics.com/mswim/news/2020-21/20249/valpo-mens-swimming-to-join-mac-as-affiliate-member/



I love this move! This is going to save so much on travel and unite the program with its MVC peers! Great move! I don't know much about swimming but I assume the MAC would be more prestigious as well.


Quote from: valpotx on April 17, 2021, 12:10:21 AMCongrats to our first men's champion since I was in school! http://www.valpoathletics.com/mswim/news/2020-21/20420/may-wins-200-free-bennett-sets-program-record-to-lead-valpo-men-friday-at-summit-championships/



Awesome! Glad to see this! Congratulations to him!
Title: Re: Valpo's Future in Swimming
Post by: VUSWIM08-12 on May 27, 2021, 01:34:50 PM
The MAC is much more competitive in Men's Swimming than the Summit especially since the program at Denver has fallen apart over the last two years. The MAC Championship will be a tough test, but Coach Kroemer absolutely has them heading in the right direction!