Really excited to start this thread given how well we played in the loss to full scholarship Montana. The Dukes, I don't believe, grant the full allotment (65) but they do give some FB schoarships just like Sacred Heart.
It was good to see both QBs do well. They each have different strengths which can cause opponents some problems.
No additional injuries known of from Saturday, and I believe as of 2012 they have 35 full rides
Duquesne is the favorite in the NEC, likely much better than Sacred Heart. They have a new QB but their offense led the league last year and they have a potential All-FCS running back. They were pummeled by South Dakota State which is the #4 ranked FCS program in the country. Drake has the pleasure of playing SDS in a week or so.
It's possible that the Dukes are as good as the Griz. Dayton plays Duquense at home the week after Valpo hosts them. Could be a good way to gauge where the programs are. Stetson visits Marist this week in an early PFL game.
Since I brought my family out to the Montana game and talked to some of the players' parents, I feel like I have a vested interest in this 2017 team. Therefore, I'm going to liberally use "we".
In 2003 after we played Murray State tough, we came back and played an NEC team (Saint Francis). They had a left tackle that was supposed to be the cat's meow and getting looked at by the Steelers. He got rolled up and was out for the majority of the game and we beat them 38-6. Interestingly, there is a Steeler connection: Saint Francis was the summer camp facility used by the Steelers at the time while Duquesne's field is named after Art Rooney.
Duquesne might be a little different as it sounds like they are the class of the NEC but this being first home game, a forecast for great weather and the difficulty level of actually getting to Valpo for the visiting team means our crew will be ready to roll.
I say we win by 2 TDs.
35-17 Dukes. They are getting better, but let's not get over our heads quite yet.
We will play better than we did last year against Sacred Heart but that is a mighty big leap from losing 42-14 to SH to beating Duquesne.
Duquesne 29
Valpo 17
Dukes lost at SD State last weekend... here's their write-up.
http://www.goduquesne.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/083117aaa.html
Last year they lost to Illinois State by 17, we lost to Illinois State by 37. We have improved, so have the Dukes. We lose by 2 TDs, 28-14.
I don't think we'll be competitive with FCS teams that offer scholarships for a few years, if ever.
Dukes 38
VALPO 20
Well in terms of raw rpi rankings
Montana is #123
South Dakota State is #78
http://realtimerpi.com/college_football/ncaaf_power_rankings_Full.html
That is a substantial difference
Valpo is 212
Butler is 226
ahhhhhhh... doesn't get much better than that...
Campbell is 246 on that list. I'm not sure how accurate it is overall particularly as you go deeper down the list.
it is way too early to metricize this.
Thats why I said raw rpi
Rankings are useless at this time of the season. What's the point of discussing them until October?
Freshman that played last week and will not be redshirting:
#14 Cam Kelly DB
#6 Logan Pfizenmayer LB
#25 Dilan Scargle DB
#26 Donny Navarro WR
#29 Julian Benavides DB
#35 Gavin Twigg LB
#37 Laddie Skarecky LB
#38 Jake Poloskey LB
#41 Henry Hebda DB
#62 Nathan Orlandini DT
#66 Sam Vas OL
#82 Deuce Larose WR
#92 Andrew Gerdys DT
#97 Jeremiah Olojo DT
Only 3 on offense vs 11 on defense, 14 of 36 overall. I remember reading something that as a college program you want 8-12 freshman in the mix. Lets hope we stay healthy on defense
Quote from: valpofb16 on September 06, 2017, 09:02:14 AM
Freshman that played last week and will not be redshirting:
#14 Cam Kelly DB
#6 Logan Pfizenmayer LB
#25 Dilan Scargle DB
#26 Donny Navarro WR
#29 Julian Benavides DB
#35 Gavin Twigg LB
#37 Laddie Skarecky LB
#38 Jake Poloskey LB
#41 Henry Hebda DB
#62 Nathan Orlandini DT
#66 Sam Vas OL
#82 Deuce Larose WR
#92 Andrew Gerdys DT
#97 Jeremiah Olojo DT
Only 3 on offense vs 11 on defense, 14 of 36 overall. I remember reading something that as a college program you want 8-12 freshman in the mix. Lets hope we stay healthy on defense
My guess is that the rotation will tighten significantly playing in Valpo at 71 degrees versus playing in Montana at near 100.
Quote from: valpofb16 on September 06, 2017, 09:02:14 AM
Freshman that played last week and will not be redshirting:
#14 Cam Kelly DB
#6 Logan Pfizenmayer LB
#25 Dilan Scargle DB
#26 Donny Navarro WR
#29 Julian Benavides DB
#35 Gavin Twigg LB
#37 Laddie Skarecky LB
#38 Jake Poloskey LB
#41 Henry Hebda DB
#62 Nathan Orlandini DT
#66 Sam Vas OL
#82 Deuce Larose WR
#92 Andrew Gerdys DT
#97 Jeremiah Olojo DT
Only 3 on offense vs 11 on defense, 14 of 36 overall. I remember reading something that as a college program you want 8-12 freshman in the mix. Lets hope we stay healthy on defense
I have never been a fan of redshirting at this level. For the most part players leave after 4 years. I hope we see more as the season continues
Conference champ San Diego has 6, higher end teams that face less attrition in our conference usually have 15-20 srs, 5-6 rssr, valpo hasn't had that number since 14, next year we will have the potential for only 1 5th year which is Simpson the kicker, 2019 will show where we are in terms of attrition as a program as a whole
I would LOVE to be at the point where we are looking at Koehler, Iery, Robet, Fox, Lundberg, Messler, Jarnigan, Sullivan, and Horan are all 5th year seniors that season
Having just Jarnigan, Roberts, Lundberg, and Sullivan
That would have to be top oline in conference
There's some legislation which may come for a vote in January which would allow freshmen to play up to 4 games and still retain a redshirt year. It apparently has plenty of support. No idea whether this would grandfather in current freshmen.
THAT would be awesome
Game 2 notes
No De La Rosa only real thing I saw with depth chart
Quote from: valporun on September 05, 2017, 10:40:59 PMRankings are useless at this time of the season.
Unless we are ahead of Butler. Then it matters ALL the time. Sorta like time of possession in football.... it only matters if we are ahead.
Quote from: valpofb16 on September 06, 2017, 03:24:11 PM
THAT would be awesome
Game 2 notes
No De La Rosa only real thing I saw with depth chart
Sure sounds like he will play!
https://www.facebook.com/valpoathletics/videos/1424147170974329/
Quote from: vu72 on September 06, 2017, 08:35:20 PMQuote from: valpofb16 on September 06, 2017, 03:24:11 PMTHAT would be awesome Game 2 notes No De La Rosa only real thing I saw with depth chart
Sure sounds like he will play! https://www.facebook.com/valpoathletics/videos/1424147170974329/
I don't think that video means anything.
edit: Tristan was in pads today so maybe he's good to go. Let's hope so.
Duquesne got crushed 51-13 by #4/#6 SDSU while we were playing in Missoula, probably, our finest game ever against a full scholarship FCS team and losing 45-23.
What can a few comparable statistics help us understand about the coming match-up twixt Valpo and the Dukes?
> The leading rusher of the entire game was the SDSU QB with 96 yards on 3 carries. He also threw for 254 yards and FIVE (5) TDs.
> There were 2 long SDSU receptions for 57 and 37 yards.
> SDSU WR, Jake Weineke caught 4 TDs on 6 catches for 75 yards.
> SDSU had a 34-0 lead with 4:05 left in the first half before Duquesne scored with 1:43 left in the half.
> They upped the lead to 48-13 with 7:26 to go in the 3rd before Duquesne scored again but the PAT was blocked.
> SDSU added a FG in what was essentially a scoreless 4th quarter.
First Downs: DUQ 12 – SDSU 26
Tot. Off: DUQ 259 – SDSU 609
Rush Yds: DUQ 72 – SDSU 301
Pass Yds: DUQ 187 – SDSU 308
Now for Valpo:
> Valpo Total Offense against Montana was 420 yards.
> Valpo rushing leader – QB Chris Duncan with 50 yards on 13 carries (Seewald added 1 rush for 12 yards)
> Valpo connected on 3 long passes of 66, 61 and 50 yards
> Valpo's 20 receptions average 16.4 yards per reception
> Valpo's Defense did not give up a run over 13 yards; Duquesne gave up 301 rushing yards.
CONCLUSION: Seems like a mobile QB with the ability to find receivers on the run will be a challenge for the Dukes secondary. And Valpo seems to have that capability.
Trying to parlay one set of stats into another somewhat similar but far from equal situation is fruitless. First of all, SDS is an absolute powerhouse at the moment and might do the same to any NEC team which would likely pound most PFL teams. Last year, Stetson had Sacred Heart on the ropes and required a fourth quarter comback by SH to beat Stetson the week before Valpo was beaten soundly by the same SH team. Valpo then beat Stetson. So following the bouncing ball is difficult and often follows no logic.
Valpo playing as well as the team did vs. Montana is a good thing but we don't know anything about these teams at this point. If they play the Dukes to even a fairly close game I'll be thoroughly impressed as they have a very good team within the NEC.
The preview:
Tidbits
8-3 last year
12 FBS xfers
Leading rusher was FCS Freshman RB of year (1200 yards)
QB is an FBS xfer from Boise State
8 returnees on D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHqGHElyT5o&feature=youtu.be
Quote from: JD24 on September 07, 2017, 10:41:34 AM
Trying to parlay one set of stats into another somewhat similar but far from equal situation is fruitless. First of all, SDS is an absolute powerhouse at the moment and might do the same to any NEC team which would likely pound most PFL teams. Last year, Stetson had Sacred Heart on the ropes and required a fourth quarter comeback by SH to beat Stetson the week before Valpo was beaten soundly by the same SH team. Valpo then beat Stetson. So following the bouncing ball is difficult and often follows no logic.
Valpo playing as well as the team did vs. Montana is a good thing but we don't know anything about these teams at this point. If they play the Dukes to even a fairly close game I'll be thoroughly impressed as they have a very good team within the NEC.
Agree for the most part, but if Duquesne exhibited a glaring weakness, it was QB containment. Not saying that makes us a winner, but it might give us a way to stay in the game. Since Ben, we haven't had a mobile QB. Now it seems like we might. And with 8 Duquesne defenders returning, a mobile QB is gonna be needed.
Hope we can keep it close.
It doesn't seem at this point that the game will be streamed, but sometimes that changes before game time. Regardless, I will not be able to watch this game stream live. If it (or for that matter any future games) is streamed, does anyone know if there is any way to access a streamed archive and watch it later? Thanks!
Quote from: VULB#62 on September 07, 2017, 10:58:51 AMIt doesn't seem at this point that the game will be streamed, but sometimes that changes before game time. Regardless, I will not be able to watch this game stream live. If it (or for that matter any future games) is streamed, does anyone know if there is any way to access a streamed archive and watch it later? Thanks!
No video streaming for this game, unfortunately. But we'll have Todd's outstanding pbp as always for those who can't make it to Brown Field.
Quote from: Brandon on September 07, 2017, 11:57:33 AM
Quote from: VULB#62 on September 07, 2017, 10:58:51 AMIt doesn't seem at this point that the game will be streamed, but sometimes that changes before game time. Regardless, I will not be able to watch this game stream live. If it (or for that matter any future games) is streamed, does anyone know if there is any way to access a streamed archive and watch it later? Thanks!
No video streaming for this game, unfortunately. But we'll have Todd's outstanding pbp as always for those who can't make it to Brown Field.
Will that be archived and available for playback later? If so, what's the link?
Quote from: VULB#62 on September 07, 2017, 10:52:04 AMQuote from: JD24 on September 07, 2017, 10:41:34 AMTrying to parlay one set of stats into another somewhat similar but far from equal situation is fruitless. First of all, SDS is an absolute powerhouse at the moment and might do the same to any NEC team which would likely pound most PFL teams. Last year, Stetson had Sacred Heart on the ropes and required a fourth quarter comeback by SH to beat Stetson the week before Valpo was beaten soundly by the same SH team. Valpo then beat Stetson. So following the bouncing ball is difficult and often follows no logic. Valpo playing as well as the team did vs. Montana is a good thing but we don't know anything about these teams at this point. If they play the Dukes to even a fairly close game I'll be thoroughly impressed as they have a very good team within the NEC.
Agree for the most part, but if Duquesne exhibited a glaring weakness, it was QB containment. Not saying that makes us a winner, but it might give us a way to stay in the game. Since Ben, we haven't had a mobile QB. Now it seems like we might. And with 8 Duquesne defenders returning, a mobile QB is gonna be needed. Hope we can keep it close.
Couple of things about the containment issue for the Dukes. Of the 96 yards Taylor Christian gained rushing, 90 of them came on one play. So it isn't as if he was running all over the place all game. I'd actually be more intrigued if he ran it 15-20 times for 96 yards because that really would indicate a defensive issue at least for that game. In this case they just let him get away on one play.
Also, that player is the reigning MVC offensive player of the year and an FCS third team QB All American. So they were dealing with an exceptional player.
Game day baby at beautiful Brown Field
Better draw a line in the sand now otherwise this one may get away from them.
Tristan not dressed out.
Valpo can score on anyone they'll play. I think that can safely be said. Have to stop 'em once in a while though. DBs making all the tackles.
297yds total offense is great. 322 vs the defense not so great.
Incredible!
A shot to win it.
Lost the first quarter.
Won the 2nd and 4th quarters. Tied 3rd quarter.
A remarkable improvement.
Duquense plays Dayton next week while Valpo goes to Trinity Baptist. Could be an indication of how far Valpo has come vs. PFL teams.
Quote from: JD24 on September 09, 2017, 01:28:16 PM
Better draw a line in the sand now otherwise this one may get away from them.
Tristan not dressed out.
Coach said he and the big offensive tackle(Terrance Roberts) both expected back in two weeks for conference opener. For those keeping score, that's 640#!!!
What a gritty effort by our guys! The conference race should be very interesting!!
Seewald kicks butt!!
This bodes very well for conference season. Was anyone at the game, and able to tell me if the WR fell down, or if he was pushed?
Quote from: covufan on September 05, 2017, 10:43:10 AM
I don't think we'll be competitive with FCS teams that offer scholarships for a few years, if ever.
Dukes 38
VALPO 20
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Some crow on the menu? Driving for the win in the final minutes would certainly be "competitive" We have a way to go on the defensive side of the ball but all the numbers were very close. Fantastic effort and against the best back we will see all season.
Quote from: vu72 on September 09, 2017, 07:32:09 PM
Quote from: covufan on September 05, 2017, 10:43:10 AM
I don't think we'll be competitive with FCS teams that offer scholarships for a few years, if ever.
Dukes 38
VALPO 20
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Some crow on the menu? Driving for the win in the final minutes would certainly be "competitive" We have a way to go on the defensive side of the ball but all the numbers were very close. Fantastic effort and against the best back we will see all season.
I'm guilty of thinking the Crusaders would not compete. Didn't see this offense being able to keep it up. If they do keep the offense hot the Valpo fans may start to take the bags off their heads and start attending games.
Gave it a day to think on it. As a recap we were missing three starters (DeLaRosa, Riley, and Taliaferro). I thought Jimmy played extremely well. We NEED to get some sort of a run game going, oppurtunity to do that next week. Defense was a slight let down played well but they held Montana a better team to the same number. Would be nice to see that number go down.
All in all very solid effort against another scholarship program, right now I am comfortable projecting a record of 7 wins. I believe at drake, cambell, dayton, marist, and at jacksonville, we will go 3-2 in some facet for those games (would love to win all 5 8-))
Jimmy Seewald had the second best QB yards in FCS this past Saturday.
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Quote from: vu72 on September 09, 2017, 07:32:09 PM
Quote from: covufan on September 05, 2017, 10:43:10 AM
I don't think we'll be competitive with FCS teams that offer scholarships for a few years, if ever.
Dukes 38
VALPO 20
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Some crow on the menu? Driving for the win in the final minutes would certainly be "competitive" We have a way to go on the defensive side of the ball but all the numbers were very close. Fantastic effort and against the best back we will see all season.
Maybe. Just glad we had a chance to win towards the end.
Not counting wins against less than Division I football teams (PFL or other), by my count we are 8-44 the previous five seasons, with 6 games that we were within 8 points (not counting less than Division I close games). I'm looking forward to how this team responds the rest of the season. This team has a chance to win three home games and three road games. Congrats to the coaching staff and many young men who have dedicated themselves to this program.
I've always thought that we should be somewhat competitive against teams like Duquesne, just programmed to only expect that from Dayton and San Diego.