NCAA. FBI. Corruption from Power conference coaches/teams... Not surprised.
https://twitter.com/DanWetzel/status/912673817797021697
https://twitter.com/Tom_Winter/status/912667918944567297
https://twitter.com/Tom_Winter/status/912669007890796546
https://twitter.com/Tom_Winter/status/912671126559617024
https://twitter.com/Tom_Winter/status/912671661379420160
https://twitter.com/Tom_Winter/status/912672323089633280
https://twitter.com/Tom_Winter/status/912677190780768257
https://twitter.com/brauf33/status/912678041792516097
https://twitter.com/JasonRileyWDRB/status/912677625084116994
https://twitter.com/CollegeHoopNews/status/912680231932235776
https://twitter.com/DanWolken/status/912677378740162566
With respect to Louisville and June 3rd, that's right around the time they came out of no where and ended up signing Brian Bowen. The irony kills me. We all know the game is stacked against programs like Valpo and this is commonplace among the P5-6 schools but I hope Louisville gets the worst possible penalty just because of how they skated, in my opinion, on that Prostitution scandal earlier. Hell with it I hope all these schools get medieval type punishments. Not sure the NCAA can sweep this one under the rug but if any organization can or try to it would / will be them.
As a side note who knew former Pacer "great" Chuck Person's middle name was Connors? I asssume his parents were big "Rifleman" fans.
Chuck Person is a 3 point assassin in NBA Jam On Fire Edition...
Basketball is such a sleazy game off the court...all the way down to the middle school level. I lost a 7th grader (I'm an 8th grade coach) to a high school coach who moved the kid's mom to an apartment in his school district.
"In response to these allegations against Louisville, we would like to announce we're placing Northern Kentucky on five years probation."
-NCAA
Quote from: M on September 26, 2017, 10:48:37 AM
Basketball is such a sleazy game off the court...all the way down to the middle school level. I lost a 7th grader (I'm an 8th grade coach) to a high school coach who moved the kid's mom to an apartment in his school district.
That is insane! Was the kid a basketball prodigy or something? Regardless it is pretty crazy to take things to that level over youth basketball.
Quote from: VU2014 on September 26, 2017, 11:00:13 AM
Quote from: M on September 26, 2017, 10:48:37 AM
Basketball is such a sleazy game off the court...all the way down to the middle school level. I lost a 7th grader (I'm an 8th grade coach) to a high school coach who moved the kid's mom to an apartment in his school district.
That is insane! Was the kid a basketball prodigy or something? Regardless it is pretty crazy to take things to that level over youth basketball.
Holy cow, I was just being sarcastic when I posted this to the 2019 Recruiting string. Who knew?
My answer: it's parading the kids on the court for all the attending representatives to glare at, oo and ah at, and scramble over. It's a meat market where the prime cut of meat goes to the highest bidder. I find it demeaning on the part of all parties. But, I guess, that is the nature of big time college basketball.
I can see a pro day at a university for college kids going pro, but now it's happening at the HS level. Next, middle school kids will have open gyms to attract HS coaches (assuming the current administration's pursuit of school choice). Is it any wonder young athletes feel entitled and some even think they are above rules?
Time magazine did a front page story of the business of youth sports. It has become a multi-million dollar industry. When does this end?
What effect does this have on the NCAA?
All together now----
LOCK THEM UP! LOCK THEM UP! LOCK THEM UP! :thewave: :cheers:
Just like the NFL it seems we are killing the golden goose. When the money gets so big it seems there are incentives big enough for assistant coaches to take big risks of their careers.
If you want to rinse the money out of the sport, it will take years. Go after TV sponsors buy buying by not buying big brand name razor blades, cereal, or beer. Those are the biggest mark up products for advertising budgets. I get 6 off-brand travel razors for a dollar. Right next to them in the store are same from Gillette and Schick at 2 for $8.00.
Now if I can just find a place to buy a no-name generic car. :) And generic suits to stiff Mens' Wearhouse. :lol:
Based on what I've read on this, we may be talking a tip of the iceberg situation and not just in NCAA basketball.
Louisville has just announced they are under investigation by the FBI. Those are not words anyone wants to hear.
If you are old enough to remember the TV show, "Gomer Pyle," can hear him saying about Bowen's decision, "Well surprise, surprise, surprise!"
yohttps://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/louisville-lands-surprise-commitment-from-brian-bowen-last-five-star-in-2017/u
Quote from: JD24 on September 26, 2017, 02:17:21 PMLouisville has just announced they are under investigation by the FBI. Those are not words anyone wants to hear.
Wrong! I am glad that those type of programs are being looked at. Make that very, very glad! Now if we (VU) somehow get drug into this then I will not want to hear it but I will, and then it would not be the FBI that I was angry with.
Quote from: JD24 on September 26, 2017, 02:17:21 PM
Based on what I've read on this, we may be talking a tip of the iceberg situation and not just in NCAA basketball.
Louisville has just announced they are under investigation by the FBI. Those are not words anyone wants to hear.
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Kinda like your secretary coming into your office and telling you "Mike Wallace is here and has some questions for you", only a lot worse!
More news coming.
https://twitter.com/JasonRileyWDRB/status/912778894603952128
https://twitter.com/boettger_eli/status/912799939729571840
After the investigation is done, I expect the NCAA to come down hard on these schools; these punishments will be felt for years to come.
...lol just kidding
Valpo, please be clean. Please be clean. Please be clean. And BTW, please be clean.
Pitino and the AD are out. Let the coaching carousel start up again, but this time at a dangerously fast rate. Dominoes are going to start falling fast, Auburn has lost a 5 star commitment and is offering full refunds on all season tickets. This will be a crazy time.
Would anyone call me crazy for suggesting Scott Drew to Louisville seems like the best move possible? He maxed Baylor out from nothing. And this would bring the family just a quick drive away for everyone.
Quote from: valpo4life on September 27, 2017, 11:12:05 AM
Pitino and the AD are out. Let the coaching carousel start up again, but this time at a dangerously fast rate. Dominoes are going to start falling fast, Auburn has lost a 5 star commitment and is offering full refunds on all season tickets. This will be a crazy time.
Would anyone call me crazy for suggesting Scott Drew to Louisville seems like the best move possible? He maxed Baylor out from nothing. And this would bring the family just a quick drive away for everyone.
That would make a lot of sense and the Louisville fix would be a piece of cake compared to Baylor, which is still having significant problems, just not in basketball.
Here is the Washington Post story link
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2017/09/27/rick-pitino-reportedly-fired-by-louisville-in-wake-of-federal-corruption-case/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_pitino-12p%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.2ae28a3d18ae
FBI just subpoenaed Nike.... more to come.
https://twitter.com/DarrenHeitner/status/913095940134903815
Fake tweet. Real writer's account is @jessenewell.
Gotcha :thumbsup: thanks for pointing that out. I didn't notice that. Removed that last tweet.
Drew to Louiseville might make sense unless they are banned from competing for any length of time.
Quote from: VULB#62 on September 26, 2017, 10:49:34 PM
Valpo, please be clean. Please be clean. Please be clean. And BTW, please be clean.
You're not.
UNI isn't
SIU isn't
ISUr isn't
No one is "clean". Just varying degrees of dirty.
We aren't at a level the feds will care about. Chances of us using money funneled from our equipment supplier is also about zero, which is where most of this stems.
Quote from: UNIFTW on September 27, 2017, 01:25:50 PMQuote from: VULB#62 on September 26, 2017, 10:49:34 PMValpo, please be clean. Please be clean. Please be clean. And BTW, please be clean.
You're not. UNI isn't SIU isn't ISUr isn't No one is "clean". Just varying degrees of dirty. We aren't at a level the feds will care about. Chances of us using money funneled from our equipment supplier is also about zero, which is where most of this stems.
What about the guy at the prep school?
I sure hope that our Ok. St. transfer is not involved or "tainted" in this mess. I believe that this investigation has only scratched the surface at this point and that most of the power schools will have some problems.
Quote from: valpo64 on September 27, 2017, 03:59:08 PM
I sure hope that our Ok. St. transfer is not involved or "tainted" in this mess. I believe that this investigation has only scratched the surface at this point and that most of the power schools will have some problems.
I don't think Joe Burton was involved or was even there when that coach joined Oklahoma State. He transferred to Valpo before that assistant coach came into the program under Brad Underwood (now Illinois Coach).
Joe left Oklahoma State when Brad Underwood was named the new Oklahoma State coach.
He announced he was going to transfer in early-May 2016 when his Spring academic semester ended. Underwood was hired in late-March and Lamont Evans was announced to be joining the Oklahoma State coaching staff on April 9th. Joe didn't even play or practice under this staff.
http://www.okstate.com/news/2016/4/4/mens-basketball-evans-named-to-cowboy-basketball-coaching-staff.aspx
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/913147307612393472
https://twitter.com/CollegeHoopNews/status/913148322868793344
As long as they are not Adidas shoes that drop.
Miami's admitted they are being looked at. Coach says he's not involved. That, of course, is only until he is involved...if so.
Gents and Ladies, let's put this in perspective, this is an FBI CRIMINAL investigation. This is not an NCAA rules infraction issue. The FBI is pursuing charges against individuals criminally. Will the NCAA look into programs sure but they have no where the issues and resources the FBI does. There is 350+ D1 basketball programs. Yes this has deeper reaching ramifications and like all programs we got some dirt but our dirt is topsoil compared to what these P5-6 programs did, done and continually do. The NCAA was put on blast with this and for them to go after MVC schools or the like is contrary. To me this what we always wanted a level playing field and we will get it when all is said and done.
These programs need to be put on a post season lock immediately. That opens opportunities for the high mids to make a name and case to be included in the Big Dance and when they see that's what the pubic wanted along good for us.
Apparently Nike is involved too. Just sayin
Quote from: JD24 on September 27, 2017, 05:30:05 PMlet's put this in perspective, this is an FBI CRIMINAL investigation. This is not an NCAA rules infraction issue. The FBI is pursuing charges against individuals criminally.
OK so cleaning up college recruiting violations is not their primary target, but then what is? Is it safe for us to assume that this underground flow of cash, favors and merchandise is nearly all unreported and therefor untaxed income? If so does the FBI look at these coaches as being low hanging fruits that might scare the industry leeches into reporting to the IRS? Or is Nike a target too?
Somebody help me out. I can see how numerous rules have been violated but how many and what type of criminal charges could be pursued? Could anybody serve any serious jail time? If not is this more of an IRS attention getter with the help of their brothers at the FBI?
Quote from: justducky on September 27, 2017, 08:49:19 PMQuote from: JD24 on September 27, 2017, 05:30:05 PMlet's put this in perspective, this is an FBI CRIMINAL investigation. This is not an NCAA rules infraction issue. The FBI is pursuing charges against individuals criminally.
OK so cleaning up college recruiting violations is not their primary target, but then what is? Is it safe for us to assume that this underground flow of cash, favors and merchandise is nearly all unreported and therefor untaxed income? If so does the FBI look at these coaches as being low hanging fruits that might scare the industry leeches into reporting to the IRS? Or is Nike a target too? Somebody help me out. I can see how numerous rules have been violated but how many and what type of criminal charges could be pursued? Could anybody serve any serious jail time? If not is this more of an IRS attention getter with the help of their brothers at the FBI?
Just a piece of it:
"The charges brought forward include violations of federal statutes on bribery and wire fraud, among other laws. Any assistant coach found to be taking bribes while employed by an institution receiving federal funds, for example, could be liable to prosecution under federal law."
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https://twitter.com/judefox10/status/913218250762108928
https://twitter.com/CollegeHoopNews/status/913186502087254022
https://twitter.com/YahooForde/status/913183592720879616
https://twitter.com/dandakich/status/913231254677524480
https://twitter.com/theblakelovell/status/913186534337024000
https://twitter.com/AaronSuttles/status/913184165666926592
https://twitter.com/dan_bernstein/status/913040008143044608
Did these coaches honestly believe that since the money (slush fund) was from shoe companies or AAU connections that they wouldn't be caught?
Very odd, and it appears far reaching. The silly season of coaching changes started two days ago - somewhat early in the basketball season.
Pitino apparently directly involved. Things may get worse for him. Some think charges and jail time possible.
The scandal has now reached arguably one of the historical Top 4 programs in the Country.
And I'm sure Bill Self had no clue Adidas was helping him in recruiting :crazy:
https://twitter.com/ChatSports/status/913492501436289026
Now Congress is getting involved, apparently: https://energycommerce.house.gov/news/ec-leaders-seek-briefing-alleged-college-basketball-bribery-scheme/ (https://energycommerce.house.gov/news/ec-leaders-seek-briefing-alleged-college-basketball-bribery-scheme/)
What a mess.
Quote from: VU2014 on September 28, 2017, 03:07:50 PM
The scandal has now reach arguably one of the historical Top 4 programs in the Country.
And I'm sure Bill Self had no clue Adidas was helping him in recruiting :crazy:
This isn't being investigated by the NCAA clown force. It's the FBI, the top criminal investigative force on the planet. No one is going to skate because of name or conference affiliation. No doubt they are already squeezing the people they've arrested to find out just how deep this goes.
The process is pretty easy to visualize. Interview the accused, present the evidence, paint a grim picture of the indicted's future - humiliation of family, bankruptcy, prison sentence, isolation from their children, likely divorce, ongoing appeals and court appearances, parole hearings, and finally starting life over as an older, jobless, familyless parolee. Ultimately, they introduce the possibility of a quid pro quo for sworn testimony about people who put them up to what they did, endorsed what they did, turned a blind eye to it, whatever. Next thing you know the list grows exponentially.
Also the FBI has access to wire-taping and other surveillance methods via warrants. They also are not invested in preserving anyone's reputation or with working with these schools, coaches, etc in the future. There is no way this will play out like an NCAA investigation in regards to legal punishments. Now, the FBI is not really interested in voiding championship wins or banning post conference play so that may be where we see how real the NCAA is about everything. Maybe we'll be seeing a whole lot more mid-majors in the tournament this year.
Quote from: wh on September 28, 2017, 09:15:35 PMThis isn't being investigated by the NCAA clown force. It's the FBI, the top criminal investigative force on the planet. No one is going to skate because of name or conference affiliation.
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They're in the jailhouse now
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Well I told them once or twice
To not hog all the talent by employing vice
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Great insight from Mark Adams and Bobby Capobianco here. Loved getting thoughts from a former coach and a former player about this.
http://www.nwitimes.com/digital/audio/union-street-hoops/podcast-union-street-hoops-episode/audio_b6059ebc-a564-11e7-8ca5-7372da91bcc1.html
Maybe way out of bounds, but what about the Louisville recruit? Is he completely innocent in all this? First visit to Louisville and two days later he commits? Isn't anyone advising him? Is this accepted practice for an 18 year old? I have a lot of questions for the recruits involved in these scandals. They are the ones accepting the offers.
Quote from: VUSL98 on October 01, 2017, 06:47:37 PM
Maybe way out of bounds, but what about the Louisville recruit? Is he completely innocent in all this? First visit to Louisville and two days later he commits? Isn't anyone advising him? Is this accepted practice for an 18 year old? I have a lot of questions for the recruits involved in these scandals. They are the ones accepting the offers.
Is it my imagination or are we seeing more and more newish posters attracted to and participating in the fan forum?
The move to the MVC and improved football competitiveness just might be drawing more fans. That is great!
Might that also indicate that Valpo sports has some pull in alums investing in Valpo?
Definitely great to see new names in the forums! Also nice to see ValpoDad is chiming in from time to time! Always appreciate his insight.
The increase involvement might have to do with the move to the MVC. This is probably the most exited I've every been about the start of any season in my time of being a Valpo Hoops fan. We're in a much better conference with schools fans that actually care about their teams which we never really had in the Horizon League (or at least to a very lesser extent). The is just so much more competitive then it was in the Horizon.
Quote from: VUSL98 on October 01, 2017, 06:47:37 PM
Maybe way out of bounds, but what about the Louisville recruits*? Is he completely innocent in all this? First visit to Louisville and two days later he commits? Isn't anyone advising him? Is this accepted practice for an 18 year old? I have a lot of questions for the recruits involved in these scandals. They are the ones accepting the offers.
There are definitely people advising these kids and pulling them into a thousand direction. I think there has to be some accountability on the student-athletes behalves but I tend to not blame the kids as much as I do the adults that are suppose to guiding these kids: parents, coaches.
What kind of annoys the crap out of me are the media folks that try and spin this whole scandal into the sports fault that it doesn't pay players. I just do not buy into that theory. If the NCAA agreed to require every school pay their men's basketball players $10,000 a year it would NOT stop cheating. It might just amplify the cheating behind closed doors. Not to mention it would force many Low to Mid-Majors to go to D2, because they couldn't afford to pay those players. I don't think people realize that many athletics departments are running in the RED and not actually making a surplus. If any net profit from Men's Basketball & Football (overwhelmingly the only 2 college sports that make profit) is used to subsidize Non-Revenue generating sports. College Sports isn't a cash cow the general public thinks it is unless you're in the FBS Power Conferences with those massive TV deals. And even then some of those big conference teams don't break even. Also kids aren't just getting a free education, they get free rent, monthly stipends, free meal plans, free gear. It's not a bad deal...
My personal opinion is much of the monetary value generated with this sport is do to the name on the front of the jersey and not the one on the back. Universities have pre-built in fan-bases that will likely be there regardless of the caliber of the athletes playing in those jerseys as harsh as that may sounds. The D-League (G-League? or whatever its called these days) is a higher level of basketball then college basketball but nobody cares or watches it and there isn't much interest in it... because nobody cares about teams as opposed to college basketball which has a much much larger following & fan support because of the colleges & Universities that bring the brand & fan-bases.
Nobody is stopping kids from going pro if they want to. Many don't go pro because they actually find the NCAA platform more advantageous because they get professional level coaching & most importantly get exposure. I think the '1 & done' rule may have actually done more harm then good. The '1 & done' is good for the NBA & programs like Kentucky but its hurt the sport. The NBA draft should move to the MLB or NFL model. Either go pro coming out of high school or be required to stay 2-3 years.
Paying players will not eliminate cheating. What will lessen cheating is the NCAA starting to push back on these major programs that do it & enforcing punishments that actually make it hurt when Universities & coaches get caught.
I agree with Mark Adams who feels that the schools that benefited monetarily from the outright cheating should not be able to continue their basketball programs this coming season and lose the money gains they would have received for the 2017-18 season.
Also I believe that coaches like Rick Pitino should be fined half their salaries for the period that they were found to be cheating. They benefited from the cheating monetarily and those monetary gains should be forfeited.
Amen.
This issue will truly test the NCAA's sincerity in upholding the scholar-athlete and all of their talk about integrity.
Why not take the TV money share earned in last the last two years' NCAA tournaments by the cheaters and re-distribute to the entire balance of division I schools who do not generate net athletics income. Put your Title IX money where your mouth is as a governing body?
It would truly be a shame (and a sham) if the institutions involved in this corruption scandal only got a slap on the wrist and kept their past NCAA shares while the individuals who committed the corruption bore the brunt of the penalties (and jail time?). I agree with those below who advocate current and retro penalties (essentially stripping these institutions of their ill-gotten gains) as well as penalties and restrictions going foreward rather than just going-forward penalties as is the NCAA's usual approach to these things. This has got to hurt them big time and it has to send a clear message to all FBS/P-5 schools.
Just 4 months ago the former President, Vice President and Athletic Director of Penn State were all sentenced to prison time for failing to inform authorities about the Sandusky abuse situation. Certainly, Paterno would have as well, had he lived. The same needs to happen here. Any university official at any level who knew what was going on and failed to report it should be terminated and criminally prosecuted.
3 Ex-Penn State Officials Get Jail Time For Failure To Report Sandusky Abuse
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/06/02/531243225/3-penn-state-officials-sentenced-to-jail-time-for-failure-to-report-sandusky
Quote from: wh on October 02, 2017, 11:34:38 AM
Just 4 months ago the former President, Vice President and Athletic Director of Penn State were all sentenced to prison time for failing to inform authorities about the Sandusky abuse situation. Certainly, Paterno would have as well, had he lived. The same needs to happen here. Any university official at any level who knew what was going on and failed to report it should be terminated and criminally prosecuted.
3 Ex-Penn State Officials Get Jail Time For Failure To Report Sandusky Abuse
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/06/02/531243225/3-penn-state-officials-sentenced-to-jail-time-for-failure-to-report-sandusky
As I wrote my post that just preceded yours, WH, the Penn State scenario went through my mind. In addition, wasn't PSU also sanctioned like $60 million too?
This scandal reminds me so much of this speech from Blue Chips (I think Paul O also posted this on his twitter). One of those movies that if it's on, you suddenly realize 2 hours have gone by. What's ironic is the college coaches who make cameos in it, e.g. Pitino, Boeheim and Tark. It was accurate in 1994 and still applicable today. By the way, I'm sure ya'all know this, but there are 2 Valpo "connections" in this movie. You want to read about this type of stuff 25 years or so ago also read Personal Fouls (1991) by Golenbock or Raw Recruits (1990).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfCg4QTiQSU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfCg4QTiQSU)
"I like to think of C.M. Newton [University of Kentucky Athletic Director] as the school's director of corrections." Bob Knight, referring to UK's reputation for putting less-than-outstanding public citizens on the team, Herald Times October 1990
This is an opinion piece in the October 3rd NY Times. Quite relevant (my bolding).
How the N.C.A.A. Cheats Student Athletes
Brian Rosenberg
NY Times, OCT. 3, 2017
The N.C.A.A. is embroiled in scandal yet again. Last week, federal prosecutors charged several coaches, an agent and a sports apparel executive with, essentially, illegally profiting off branding opportunities for basketball players. That shouldn't really surprise anyone. This scandal isn't truly about corrupt coaches and shoe salesmen. It's about the lengths to which the N.C.A.A. goes to control every dollar and branding opportunity associated with college athletics.
An illegal economy has operated behind high-level college athletics for a long time. Its root cause is that universities with powerhouse sports teams like U.C.L.A., Ohio State and Texas receive nearly $20 million a year from brands like Adidas or Nike, while the athletes wearing the Adidas or Nike apparel are expected to compete purely for the love of the game.
College basketball players are worth a lot of money, but they aren't legally allowed to make it. So the schools, coaches, agents and shoe companies make the money instead — all in the name of "amateurism."
It's clearly time to revise the rules of the N.C.A.A. in favor of the students. But as simply paying the players seems to be a non-starter, let's begin by reforming the association's bylaw that prevents college athletes from promoting any personal creative endeavor if they even mention that they participate in a sport.
Here's an example from Macalester College, where I am president. Our school is fortunate to have as a student a young man (whose name I can't mention) who has published a book (whose title I can't cite). The book has nothing whatsoever to do with athletics, but among his many activities at the college, he participates in an intercollegiate sport (which, of course, shall remain unspecified).
Most people not associated with the N.C.A.A. would consider this an impressive diversification of skills and interests. But N.C.A.A. bylaw 12.5.1.3, otherwise denoted as "Modeling and Other Non-athletically Related Promotional Activities," specifies that, in promoting the book, no reference can be made to the individual's "involvement in intercollegiate athletics."
What does this mean in practice? It means that the author's book biography cannot state that he participates in a college-level sport. It means that, in publicizing the book to students or alumni, the college cannot mention that the author is a student athlete. It even means that the student cannot mention the book on his Facebook page because his Facebook profile shows photos of him engaging in the unspecified sport.
Presumably this rule was written to prevent a college athlete, whether from a Division I sports juggernaut or a Division III college like Macalester, from making piles of money after revealing he is an intercollegiate athlete. The N.C.A.A. wants to prevent some Heisman Trophy-winning quarterback or some one-and-done power forward at the University of Kentucky from writing a book or modeling a sweater in order to profit from his collegiate athletic celebrity. Of course, the reasonable response to this concern is: What's wrong with a person profiting from his own accomplishments and celebrity? Isn't that more or less the way it's supposed to work? But the N.C.A.A., not content with the billions in TV and merchandising revenue it already takes in, is determined to leave no spare change under the couch cushions.
Lest you think I exaggerate, look up the case of the two athletes at the University of Iowa who started a T-shirt screening business and were threatened with ineligibility by the N.C.A.A. because their website mentioned that they met because they were both — brace yourself — swimmers. Or the more recent case of a cross-country runner at Texas A&M who was threatened with ineligibility for posting a YouTube video about a water bottle company he started.
The most repugnant aspect of this N.C.A.A. rule is that it runs directly counter to the optimal American college education. We want students to have multiple interests, multiple facets to their personal and academic lives, and to explore openly how those various identities play out. We want a student athlete to think — and talk — about what it means to be an athlete and an author, or an athlete and an entrepreneur, or an athlete and an artist. But a student who designs and sells greeting cards and mentions on her Facebook page that she is a softball player risks losing her athletic eligibility. That is shameful.
Bylaw 12.5.1.3 has got to go. Given all of the stereotypes about student athletes as prizing sports over academics, one would think that the N.C.A.A. would be enthusiastic about opportunities to shatter those. But given the choice between doing so and inadvertently allowing an athlete to profit from even the most tangential connection to his or her own athletic efforts, the N.C.A.A. has decided to force students to disguise who they are.
For those few students who star in Division I, it is an invitation to enter into a sad but unsurprising underground economy. For Division III athletes, the hypocrisy is a dispiriting act of silencing. For anyone who cares about fairness, it is a disgrace. [Brian Rosenberg is the president of Macalester College.]
Quote from: valpo84 on October 03, 2017, 08:08:28 AMBy the way, I'm sure ya'all know this, but there are 2 Valpo "connections" in this movie.
I'm guessing here, but Matt Nover came from nearby Chesterton, and probably played at Valpo HS. Larry Bird probably played at Hilltop if ISU came to town in the '70's.
Matt Nover's Western University jersey was up in Buffalouie's for many years. Not sure who the other connection to Valpo is.
Just remembered it....Rex Walters was one of the many extras that served as players in Blue Chips. Rex is a former assistant at Valpo.
Quote from: covufan on October 03, 2017, 04:02:31 PM
Quote from: valpo84 on October 03, 2017, 08:08:28 AMBy the way, I'm sure ya'all know this, but there are 2 Valpo "connections" in this movie.
I'm guessing here, but Matt Nover came from nearby Chesterton, and probably played at Valpo HS. Larry Bird probably played at Hilltop if ISU came to town in the '70's.
Not a direct connection, but Shaq played for Dale Brown at LSU. Homer Drew was an Asst. to Dale at LSU once upon a time.
Quote from: covufan on October 03, 2017, 04:02:31 PM
Quote from: valpo84 on October 03, 2017, 08:08:28 AMBy the way, I'm sure ya'all know this, but there are 2 Valpo "connections" in this movie.
I'm guessing here, but Matt Nover came from nearby Chesterton, and probably played at Valpo HS. Larry Bird probably played at Hilltop if ISU came to town in the '70's.
Bird did play at VU in '78. I was there. It took him 4 seconds to score. Opening tip went to ISU, long pass down to Bird in the corner. Swish. I think he finished with 44 points but I'm not sure.
Paul
Just..... WOW.
Quote from: 78crusader on October 03, 2017, 08:08:33 PMBird did play at VU in '78. I was there. It took him 4 seconds to score. Opening tip went to ISU, long pass down to Bird in the corner. Swish. I think he finished with 44 points but I'm not sure.
Valpo played Indiana State at the very end of the 1976-77 year at Hilltop. March 5, 1977.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/indiana-state/1977-schedule.html
Bird's ISU team was 16-2 going into the final game of their season. Valpo's team of Hostetler (from LaPorte), Ashby (from South Bend), Roark, Petties and Kipfer weren't that easy to beat. Schmelzer and Kizer were part of that excellent team too. The Sycamores beat VU by 7, 77-70 but I believe Valpo had to come back from 20 down and Bird may have been coasting in the final game that was pretty well won early on. The Sycamores had only lost to Purdue and Illinois State that year. They ended up playing in the N.I.T. and lost to Houston (with Otis Birdsong) that year.
The year ISU went to the NCAA tournament final and lost to Magic Johnson's Michigan State was 1978-79.
Valpo did not play ISU in either 1977-78 or 1978-79.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/indiana-state/1978-schedule.html
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/indiana-state/1979-schedule.html
Seeing some really good other potential connections in the movie. Rex is correct. There is another more direct connection and it does relate in great part to LSU.
Quote from: valpo84 on October 04, 2017, 07:50:54 AM
Seeing some really good other potential connections in the movie. Rex is correct. There is another more direct connection and it does relate in great part to LSU.
This has me thinking about how Dale Brown helped us get a walk-on by the name of Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (Jr), but he would have been too young for the Blue Chips movie.
https://sites.google.com/site/play2winhoops/player-profiles/kareem-abdul-jabbar-jr-g-f
Now I'm trying to remember if there was an assistant coach, other than Rex, that may have had a part in the movie and possibly played at LSU.
Geert Hammink, father of Shane, played on the Indiana team (lead by point guard Bobby Hurley).
Quote from: 78crusader on October 03, 2017, 08:08:33 PMQuote from: covufan on October 03, 2017, 04:02:31 PMQuote from: valpo84 on October 03, 2017, 08:08:28 AMBy the way, I'm sure ya'all know this, but there are 2 Valpo "connections" in this movie.
I'm guessing here, but Matt Nover came from nearby Chesterton, and probably played at Valpo HS. Larry Bird probably played at Hilltop if ISU came to town in the '70's.
Bird did play at VU in '78. I was there. It took him 4 seconds to score. Opening tip went to ISU, long pass down to Bird in the corner. Swish. I think he finished with 44 points but I'm not sure. Paul
March 5th, 1977 at Hilltop. Bird went 34, 12 and 3 in the game. Only appearance vs. The Crusaders.
Don't know if someone advised Valpo to not respond or if no one was available to do so, but I don't like the image that a lack of response allows:
courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/louisville/2017/10/05/fbi-hoops-investigation-indiana-university-kentucky/731441001/
Quote from: sliman on October 05, 2017, 10:24:18 PM
Don't know if someone advised Valpo to not respond or if no one was available to do so, but I don't like the image that a lack of response allows:
www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/louisville/2017/10/05/fbi-hoops-investigation-indiana-university-kentucky/731441001/
From article:
Valparaiso University in Indiana was the only college to not respond to a request for comment about the FBI investigation.
If indeed Valpo has not been contacted, we need to update the Courier-Journal.
Pitino made $145 million off Addidas deal (pocketed 98% of the contract)
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/report-rick-pitino-took-98-percent-of-money-in-deal-adidas-has-with-louisville/ar-AAsY4l9?OCID=ansmsnnews11
The story has been updated with Valpo's response saying they have not been contacted
Quote from: crusader05 on October 06, 2017, 05:05:40 PM
The story has been updated with Valpo's response saying they have not been contacted
Good to know.
Quote from: VULB#62 on October 06, 2017, 04:46:22 PM
Pitino made $145 million off Addidas deal (pocketed 98% of the contract)
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/report-rick-pitino-took-98-percent-of-money-in-deal-adidas-has-with-louisville/ar-AAsY4l9?OCID=ansmsnnews11
Think about the Cleveland State graduate transfer, Trey Lewis, who left for Louisville only to find out his beloved Rick Pitino and the Louisville program had committed violations,
and were caught, that kept Louisville from playing in the NCAA tournament in his only chance to play in the big dance. I wonder what Trey Lewis thinks of Pitino now. Or did Trey Lewis get a kick back from one of the shoe companies?
Quote from: bbtds on October 07, 2017, 09:21:48 AM
Quote from: VULB#62 on October 06, 2017, 04:46:22 PM
Pitino made $145 million off Addidas deal (pocketed 98% of the contract)
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/report-rick-pitino-took-98-percent-of-money-in-deal-adidas-has-with-louisville/ar-AAsY4l9?OCID=ansmsnnews11
Think about the Cleveland State graduate transfer, Trey Lewis, who left for Louisville only to find out his beloved Rick Pitino and the Louisville program had committed violations, and were caught, that kept Louisville from playing in the NCAA tournament in his only chance to play in the big dance. I wonder what Trey Lewis thinks of Pitino now. Or did Trey Lewis get a kick back from one of the shoe companies?
I believe by the time he transferred he knew they were under investigation. I don't feel too bad for him in that case. You have to know what you're walking into at that point.
Interestingly Cleveland State played at Louisville Trey Lewis's junior year.... I know some Cleveland State fans that legitimately think that was the day Pitinio's staff reached out to him to ask him to transfer.
Valpo had a slightly similar case with Brandon Wood... Valpo played Michigan State during the 2009-2010 season and Brandon Wood went off for 24 points and that was probably the moment he appeared on Izzo's radar. He eventually transferred for the 2011-2012 season. I don't think Wood was getting paid but Izzo's staff apparently reached out during the 2010-2011 season to start recruiting. We all knew Homer was not initially happy with the way that went down. This was all pre-grad transfer movement that is extremely common now days.
Quote from: crusader05 on October 06, 2017, 05:05:40 PM
The story has been updated with Valpo's response saying they have not been contacted
Bruce wouldn't have been involved with anything like this.
Quote from: Just Sayin on October 07, 2017, 10:34:55 AM
Quote from: crusader05 on October 06, 2017, 05:05:40 PM
The story has been updated with Valpo's response saying they have not been contacted
Bruce wouldn't have been involved with anything like this.
Which Bruce are you referring to?
EDIT: I'm guessing you meant Bryce. And yes I agree I don't think Bryce would be involved in this either.
Let's be honest, if it wasn't Michigan St. it would have been someone else. Wood never stayed at the same place longer than a year.....no disrespect
Quote from: oklahomamick on October 11, 2017, 09:17:16 AM
Let's be honest, if it wasn't Michigan St. it would have been someone else. Wood never stayed at the same place longer than a year.....no disrespect
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Two years at Valpo.
https://twitter.com/NewsOK/status/918149966174081026
http://newsok.com/article/5567594?utm_source=NewsOK.com&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=ShareBar-Twitter
New York grand jury looking for NCAA violations by OSU basketball players
By: Nolan Clay & Randy Ellis
Published: October 11, 2017
Oklahoma State University has received a subpoena from a New York grand jury asking for all documents and communications regarding "actual or potential NCAA rules violations" by players and coaches of the men's basketball team, The Oklahoman has learned.
The subpoena is linked to a college basketball bribery investigation that earlier led to the arrest of fired OSU assistant basketball coach Lamont Evans and some assistant coaches for other teams.
Evans was fired by the university after the scandal surfaced. He is charged with conspiracy to commit bribery and five other counts related to allegations that he solicited bribes to steer promising young athletes to specific financial advisers.
The subpoena demands that OSU either gather the evidence and turn it over to a New York FBI agent by Oct. 17, or have a university representative prepared to travel to New York and appear in person before the grand jury to testify at that time.
"Failure to attend and produce any items hereby demanded will constitute contempt of court and will subject you to civil sanctions and criminal penalties, in addition to penalties of the law, " Joon H. Kim, acting United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York, states in the grand jury subpoena that was dated Sept. 27 and obtained by The Oklahoman through an open records request.
The subpoena is far-reaching in the types of records being demanded, requesting emails, text messages, cellular phone records, social media messages, computer records and a host of other documents and electronic records covering the time period from Jan. 1, 2014 to the present.
Even handwritten notes in the possession of OSU regents and employees are being demanded.
Evidence of men's basketball NCAA violations is just a small part of records the grand jury is demanding.
I still do NOT believe Joe Burton was involve because he never played for Lamont Evans or that coaching staff but I thought I'd share this. The New York grand jury just subpoenaed Oklahoma State's records all the way back to Jan. 1, 2014.
https://twitter.com/ConnerMitchell0/status/918305118780645376
I don't think Coach Cal is a bad person but I'd be willing to wager my lifetime earnings that he has cheated in recruiting in his career. We all know Derrick Rose didn't even take his SATs to get into Memphis and the school knew about it. If remember correctly he left for Kentucky when Memphis got it hit up with the punishment. We also know while he was at UMass Marcus Camby was paid by booster that Cal "allegedly" had no clue about :crazy:. Once UMass got hit with the penalties he left for the NBA if I remember correctly.
Kentucky is "1 & Done" University and is a Nike school which we now know Nike is being investigate a long with Adidas. Finally it was confirmed Kansas was under investigation yesterday. I hope these cheating blue-bloods go down in a blaze of justice...
https://twitter.com/ClaySTV1/status/918528853081026562
Coach Cal has had problems, investigations, etc. at every major school he has coached. Does anyone REALLY think that his Kentucky stay is squeeky clean? Look for Kentucky and Kansas to be among the next batch of schools exposed with problems regarding this investigation.
Guys, not to rehash this stuff as it only angers me, especially with respect to Jubril. ..but heard Brian Bowen COULD possibly play this year and I want to absolutely hurt someone in NCAA administration. Why??? Because this kid knew his family was getting paid 6 figures and played along. Well...the FBI and their investigation is concluding that the family got money but he "possibly (or they can't prove)" didn't know anything about it. Now he technically isn't suspended or illegible by the NCAA but I know that Louisville is holding back as its really"a BAD PR problem should he play this close to the season beginning (not to make light of situations but more of public perception, had they only known Weinstein, Spacey, Moore, etc...) Bowen would be playing now.
But word has it Louisville wants to part ways and he wants to transfer and wherever he goes, supposedly Tyger Campbell, will follow. That's why Tyger has reopened hasn't committed as of yet and reopened his recruitment as he committed to DePaul in May and Bowen and the FBI BS didn't happen until June so Tyger went back and wanted closer to Bowen money. He didn't get it so he bailed. Again, his decommitment was after he knew what Bowen got and prior to the FBI. We'll see...
Probably a predictable move but some of the defendents in the case have filed a motion to dismiss because what the defendents are accused of may be in violation of NCAA rules but not a Federal Crime.
QuoteThe lawyers for Adidas executives James Gatto and Merl Code and former AAU coach Christian Dawkins say want the charges dropped because what they did doesn't break federal law. The motion were sent to U.S. District Court Judge Lewis A. Kaplan on Friday.
https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2017/12/23/fbi-investigation-lawyers-seek-dismissal
https://twitter.com/Mark_Schlabach/status/963917763751358465
https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/964274750439731200
Like the lottery picks are going to care 😂. Anxious to see how this shakes out.
I'm sort of anxiously awaiting the FBI investigation looking forward to the College Hoops Corruption case to come out. I'm also a little worried about what the long-term unintended ramifications could be from the fallout of this case.
https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/966468230255710208
I have read reports of Wichita St. being one of the school listed.
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 23, 2018, 03:50:44 PM
I have read reports of Wichita St. being one of the school listed.
Creighton was also listed. Both former MVC powerhouses.
What's crazy is this is the only 1 agent's client list that got leaked. Many more schools and players could come down the road.
Only hope the punishment fits the crime. So many times the powerhouses escape untouched
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 23, 2018, 04:25:59 PM
Only hole the punishment fits the crime. So many times the powerhouses escape untouched
I bet nothing significant will happen. The NCAA will pay lip service and maybe some coaches get canned and the NCAA takes down some banners and issues a fine but it won't hurt these schools too much.
The NCAA doesn't want to throw down the hammer on the big $ programs because they don't want them to form their own organization and leave the NCAA in the dust, but they are know not to bite the hand that feeds them. The NCAA is run by Power Conference Cronies and the P5 commissioners.
Quote from: VU2014 on February 23, 2018, 04:33:07 PM
I bet nothing significant will happen. The NCAA will pay lip service and maybe some coaches get canned and the NCAA takes down some banners and issues a fine but it won't hurt these schools too much.
The NCAA doesn't want to throw down the hammer on the big $ programs because they don't want them to form their own organization and leave the NCAA in the dust, but they are know not to bite the hand that feeds them. The NCAA is run by Power Conference Cronies and the P5 commissioners.
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Well yeah, the schools are the NCAA - it's not really a separate organization.
The NCAA only enforces what the schools allow them to.
Quote from: VU2014 on February 23, 2018, 04:33:07 PMThe NCAA is run by Power Conference Cronies and the P5 commissioners.
If enough clean Power Conference also-rans united in action then maybe some well deserved hard examples could be set. That would require some courage by the brotherhood of backs scratchers.
Quote from: IrishDawg on February 23, 2018, 06:12:53 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on February 23, 2018, 04:33:07 PM
I bet nothing significant will happen. The NCAA will pay lip service and maybe some coaches get canned and the NCAA takes down some banners and issues a fine but it won't hurt these schools too much.
The NCAA doesn't want to throw down the hammer on the big $ programs because they don't want them to form their own organization and leave the NCAA in the dust, but they are know not to bite the hand that feeds them. The NCAA is run by Power Conference Cronies and the P5 commissioners.
Well yeah, the schools are the NCAA - it's not really a separate organization.
The NCAA only enforces what the schools allow them to.
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This is a multi-billion dollar company, it will not go into the night quietly. Nor will the NCAA develop morals.
The majority of Americans will not boycott the NCAA events or teams so nothing will happen to programs. There is no rape, there is no transgender personhood at stake. Companies will not back out of advertising at any absurd clip. Werner ladders will continue their sponsorship as long as they are solvent.
I predict a whole lot of posturing, some FBI arrests and some retroactive post season bans only if it reaches past the head coach.
When the trials are over in the fall the dust settles and the tremors subside. Sort of wish I could press fast forward on the whole experience...
https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/967236840318291968
A live look at Sean Miller... (http://68.media.tumblr.com/bff278d5dc63cda68872327a4c7d134d/tumblr_or5kghGmkG1rfd7lko1_500.gif)
I'm pretty comfortable that Sean Miller didn't know anything about the $100,000 payment to DeAndre Ayton he was heard discussing on an FBI wiretap. ???
This, of course, according to sources.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on February 23, 2018, 07:38:50 PMThis is a multi-billion dollar company, it will not go into the night quietly. Nor will the NCAA develop morals.
This is so true.
The NCAA will spin this to their favor and will have min impact in the long run.
Quote from: IrishDawg on February 23, 2018, 06:12:53 PMWell yeah, the schools are the NCAA - it's not really a separate organization.
The NCAA only enforces what the schools allow them to.
The British government is thinking of having a government minister overseeing football (soccer) and some of the issues that have plagued that sport. It would include the fair-play (FFP) rules and allowing owners to have a fair chance at adding footballers that even up the game. Like the NCAA there are a big 6 in the Premier League that don't seem to be able to be moved from their top positions. This seems similar to the p5 conferences. Maybe Congress should have a commissioner that oversees the NCAA who doesn't have a monetary connection to the organization.
In response to these issues, the NCAA has suspended Jubril for another year.
https://twitter.com/LachTalk/status/978696002176765952
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krD4hdGvGHM
Quote from: VU2014 on March 27, 2018, 07:09:09 PM
https://twitter.com/LachTalk/status/978696002176765952
No one should be surprised by this. Most teams with "elite" prospects on them are coached by a parent or relative on their AAU team with little or no actual coaching experience. The shoe companies then pay these coaches through program "sponsorships" so they can gain favor with that prospect and their family. Same thing that schools do when they hire a recruit's dad, friend or relative on as an assistant coach. It's incredibly tough to regulate, because the NCAA can't do anything about AAU basketball, and they also can't dictate to people what kind of jobs their families can have.
DePaul might be cheating and they're STILL this bad?
http://depauliaonline.com/34283/sports/developing-story-ncaa-investigates-depaul-athletics/ :o :-[ ??? ;D :lol: :crazy:
Now that is a level of incompetence that would make Milwaukee fans blush and their AD proud.
Any DePaul investigation ends with UIC on probation.
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on April 03, 2018, 11:36:57 AM
Any DePaul investigation ends with UIC on probation.
How dare they punish a better program like that?
Kansas, NC State newly mentioned in NCAA hoops case
The Associated Press
LARRY NEUMEISTER (Associated Press)
Apr 11, 2018, 9:31 AM
https://sports.yahoo.com/kansas-north-carolina-state-newly-mentioned-ncaa-case-230528509--ncaab.html
https://twitter.com/OTLonESPN/status/984120281462603776
https://twitter.com/YahooForde/status/1015249044413865984
Maryland confirms to Yahoo Sports that it has been subpoenaed in connection with the federal investigation of college basketball....
It was a FOUL...I was in Columbus, I saw it... and now the FBI will prove it !! :)
Kansas has been subpoenaed
https://twitter.com/YahooForde/status/1016692948262584320
Kansas allegedly cheated. In other news: water is wet, the sky is blue, the sun rises in the East, and the NCAA will do nothing whatsoever about this beyond stern words of feigned indignation a cursory finger wag and maybe a fine.
I remember someone on the board vehemently defending Bill Self as a man of great integrity. It had to do with an alleged rape. Unfortunately, I don't recall the specifics. It will be interesting to follow this.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on July 10, 2018, 10:06:01 AM
Kansas allegedly cheated. In other news: water is wet, the sky is blue, the sun rises in the East, and the NCAA will do nothing whatsoever about this beyond stern words of feigned indignation a cursory finger wag and maybe a fine.
.........and the NCAA will put Emporia State University on three years probation to punish the state of Kansas.
Quote from: VULB#62 on July 10, 2018, 12:49:10 PM
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on July 10, 2018, 10:06:01 AM
Kansas allegedly cheated. In other news: water is wet, the sky is blue, the sun rises in the East, and the NCAA will do nothing whatsoever about this beyond stern words of feigned indignation a cursory finger wag and maybe a fine.
.........and the NCAA will put Emporia State University on three years probation to punish the state of Kansas.
Actually the NCAA might have to punish Pittsburg State (alma mater of a former Valpo player) too. Who has ever heard of a Gorilla in Kansas? That would punish the southeastern part of Kansas too.