Per Paul Oren, VU is awaiting a pay day with NMSU if they receive permission from the NCAA.
NMSU is coming off a shellacking of Liberty.
Maybe not the best idea for the program. However need to continue to fund that basketball team because ?
Quote from: valpofb16 on November 26, 2022, 06:05:31 PM
Per Paul Oren, VU is awaiting a pay day with NMSU if they receive permission from the NCAA.
NMSU is coming off a shellacking of Liberty.
Maybe not the best idea for the program. However need to continue to fund that basketball team because ?
Not sure why this would be a bad idea - more practice, more experience, outside chance of beating a FBS opponent (OK, that is really unlikely - but let's remember the Drake game a few years ago)
This is also being reported in the Las Cruces press.
Drake gave Iowa State a game! Likely the best performance by a Pioneer team in the history of the conference.
I talked with a friend who works with Jerry Kill down at New Mexico State and this is definitely being worked. Two things need to happen: 1. New Mexico State gets a positive indication that the "only one FCS win" bowl requirement will be waived - which is possible given that there are not enough bowl eligible teams for all of the bowls, and 2. Valpo gets clearance from the NCAA to play a twelfth game as an FCS team.
New Mexico State just pounded 8 win Liberty. This would be a North Dakota State type of game.
In terms of Drake / Iowa state. Drake had an NFL player and a senior laden team.
We are already losing to Drake, Butler, Dayton, Saint Thomas and oddly UW Plattville in recruiting this season. Would another lob sided game do much?
It's about cash baby, and Valpo needs it.
Interesting. I wonder how they chose us. We aren't as much of a patsy as prior years, but they would still obviously kill us.
Quote from: valpotx on November 27, 2022, 01:11:30 PM
Interesting. I wonder how they chose us. We aren't as much of a patsy as prior years, but they would still obviously kill us.
My understanding from my friend at New Mexico State is that someone on their football coaching staff is related to someone in the athletic department at Valpo...and that is the root of how this possible game started.
A grad is on the staff: Jack "Jarnigan was a four-year starter at center for Valparaiso University in Valparaiso, Indiana from. In the 2019 season, Jarnigan earned the honor of being the Crusaders' captain. Jarnigan also helped oversee the Valparaiso community service efforts from the spring of 2017 until he graduated with his master's degree in the fall of 2019."
Very cool, and I hope that it happens for the Seniors. If I was a Senior on this team, I would be all about this game, and getting to say that you played an FBS program while at Valpo. I don't see it ever happening again, and outside of the hope that no one sustains any life-altering injuries, I don't care how bad we would get beaten.
Is the football team still having practice?
Quote from: VU75 on November 27, 2022, 07:45:53 PMIs the football team still having practice?
If the game has not been scheduled, they'd better not be.
If you watch the press conference after the Drake game, Fox said that they would be able to have workouts this week (back on campus after Thanksgiving break) and then next week is when they have to stop per the NCAA.
Yep
I'm pretty sure as soon as Valpo gets the green light is when practice will commence. I think its a great opportunity for the boys to see/feel the next level. I watched NM play Liberty and was impressed with their QB (very creative & not afraid to run). Liberty had a hard time predicting what NM would do next and were caught flat footed, lol. Did I already mention NM QB, lol? Loved his aggressive, creative style. This would be a good opportunity for our coaches to take notes on NM and what plays they use & when they use them. :twocents:
From ESPN's website:
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/35131675/new-mexico-state-5-6-seeks-waiver-play-bowl-game
From the article:
New Mexico State is hoping to play another FCS team this week in Valparaiso, but Valparaiso needs an NCAA waiver to play the Aggies and is still awaiting the decision. Moccia said the Valparaiso game would allow New Mexico State to have senior day and fulfill its allotment of home games.
I'm hearing that if Valpo gets the waiver, New Mexico State will pay VU $425,000.
Should let those early transfer portal guys play and start.
Might prove a market correction and keep our returning young guys healthy
Hope it works out for Valpo, the amount NM will pay Valpo is impressive!
I assume that the bowl money that NMSU would receive, is obviously far beyond what they would be paying us, so it is win-win.
Cash baby cash and they get to enjoy killer sopapillas and green chiles. Maybe next year Valpo makes a trip to the Coliseum for the Caleb Williams experience!
Will College Game Day be at Las Cruces for this?
Game has been confirmed for this Saturday Dec 3rd at 2pm Central in Las Cruces
Outstanding, the boys have to be excited about this! Now I gotta figure if the game will be streamed, lol.
Serious Q. Can the team start Kaplan?
Really no reason to risk Appel in a game like this. Kaplan is leaving anyway, can showcase why he deserves to play up.
Win-win right?
Always surprises me how much money bigger athletic programs have to work with. NMSU has been one of the worst FBS programs over the last few seasons (obviously not the case this year), and yet $425,000 is still an absurd sum of money that they're happy to fork over to us. And that's still only a fraction of most Power 5 payouts!
I wonder what the buyout is for L never mind, this is not the place for that.
A little background on the buyout.
First, NMSU was cash rich because they had $3M from the games with Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Missouri. On top of that, they had $200K from San Jose State for the game that they cancelled.
My understanding is that Valpo did a very good job of negotiating the price with NMSU and got a lot more than what was originally offered.
Plane tickets roughly 20k. That's 430k of expendable income for football.
Wishlist:
1. Indoor Practice facility - bare bones, turf, over head protection, space heaters - see Uindy
2. Raises for full time staff - helps to keep guys together
3. Brown field upgrades. Not sure how but someone make it look nicer
I'm pretty sure the $425,000 price tag is a new buy game fee. Glad to read the team will actually fly charter out of Valpo. Big time for the kids. That's two big pay days in one year which will help all sports. Great news!
The charter will cost lots more than $20k; I would guess trip will cost more like $200k- still an unexpected almost quarter of a million dollars towards valpo athletics though!
Did not realize the charter..... anywhere to watch the game?
Quote from: valpofb16 on November 30, 2022, 01:37:45 PM
Did not realize the charter..... anywhere to watch the game?
https://www.flofootball.com/articles/9530727-how-to-watch-2022-valparaiso-vs-new-mexico-state
BIG Win for Mr. Small. I love it!!
The former Valpo football player who is on the NMSU staff (Jack Jarnigan) deserves an alumni award. This is creative thinking that fostered a great win-win situation.
According to the NMSU website Bally Sports Arizona will have the game, good news for those of us in the Phoenix area.
NMSU 56
Valpo 10
Quote from: valpofb16 on November 30, 2022, 09:58:09 AM
Plane tickets roughly 20k. That's 430k of expendable income for football.
Wishlist:
1. Indoor Practice facility - bare bones, turf, over head protection, space heaters - see Uindy
2. Raises for full time staff - helps to keep guys together
3. Brown field upgrades. Not sure how but someone make it look nicer
Quote from: Valpofamfan on November 30, 2022, 12:00:15 PM
The charter will cost lots more than $20k; I would guess trip will cost more like $200k- still an unexpected almost quarter of a million dollars towards valpo athletics though!
I think both numbers are pretty far off. Here is what I think is reasonable:
Commercial round trip Flight for 90 people to El Paso would be around $37,000 according to Hopper. Charter billed at $10,000 per flight hour, 2.75hrs should be no more than $55,000. I think that this is high.
Lodging for 90 people (45 rooms 2 nights) $200 per room $18,000. High, could easily get rooms for $150. The issue will be all in one location on short notice.
Meals for 90 people. I would think 9 meals per person at a cost of $30 per meal $24,300. This is probably a max cost and could be lower. When I did team travel in the late 2000's we would go to Golden Corral a lot :P
Buses for 90 people (2) 3 days. Approx $2000 per day per bus $12,000
Misc. $5,000
Total = $114,300
Did I miss anything?
It would be good if Valpo and NMSU athletics departments develop a relationship that might allow for a meeting between the two schools' basketball teams in an upcoming season.
I'm thrilled this is working out for Valpo and of course the players are excited for the opportunity. The money is an unexpected windfall that should be used to further football facilities :twocents: Maybe even a bonus for the football coaches and definitely some kind of recognition award to Jack Jarnigan for thinking outside the box. ;)
I understand the desire to put all income from this game back into football facilities, salaries, players' academic scholarship support, etc. However, this creates problems. Since Valparaiso, like other universities of its size, has basically two revenue sports (men's basketball and football), those sources must help fund all other sports as well. Additionally, if all money earned by football and men's basketball were always reinvested in those sports, there would be Title IX questions raised about none of it distributed to women athletes. Of course, the two revenue sports should receive a hefty amount of the incomes they generate because they have higher expenses and their return on investment is more substantial. Nevertheless, the university will be under an obligation to carefully spread the wealth from any unexpected windfall such as this game by placing it in a more general athletics pool from which football could receive a generous portion.
valpopal - Extending your points, I also would not be surprised if the university takes a certain percentage of the proceeds. People may (and do) groan at this, but this is common practice in any university that is not flush in funds. Indeed (and outside of sports), if a college creates a new program the university will take 20-40% from the college's proceeds to add to the university-level budget.
A "bubble"-style indoor facility would be GREAT addition to VU athletics. The comparison to UIndy is spot on in terms of scope. Would be used by multiple sports, esp if a track surface was included. Granted, I have no idea what that would cost, but it would sure check a lot of boxes.
Well just look at us, offering our ideas, opinions on how Valpo should spend their windfall, lol. I do like the sound of a indoor sports facility. Just has a nice ring to it...
If I could pick I would say don't build a whole new arena but revamp the ARC and add a bubble style training facility. This would be a great resource for intramurals, practice time, an indooor track facility, and just less wear and tear on Brown Field. It also could be rented out or maybe worked out with the local high school for indoor winter practices or host tournaments. I also think they should do a public partnership and build a parking garage near by.
That said, I think using the money for salaries might not work well if you can't maintain it but also updating a lot of locker rooms or creating an endowed fund around training would be a good idea as well
Guys, you only do so much with $200k these days.
Yeah the dome/bubble thing is way past the scope of what the buyout could fund. I was just picking up on that and tying it to a possible alternative than building a new arena like the strategic plan says. I think your best bet for the 200 plus is either using it for something that helps the whole department, perhaps regarding training or nutrition resources/facilities or figuring out a way it can be used to maintain increased salaries.
A video scoreboard for advertisement and video reply would likely have an opportunity to spend funds properly with a simple payback.
A video scoreboard sounds nice and would offer the opportunity to earn future funds for Valpo thru advertising, sponsoring etc. It could be a money maker for the school. Good idea.
The Brown Field scoreboard is in need of a replacement. There have been multiple issues with it breaking occasionally over the past few years. Would also majorly help with the game day atmosphere for all sports that use it - Football, Soccer, Track and Field.
I've always wanted to bet on Valpo football, and today there are actually lines. Opened at NMSU -30.5. Took that , if Valpo keeps it within 21 -28 I think that would be a great , hope it doesn't get ridiculous where NMSU puts up 60-70+, nightmares of the YSU game a few years back...already bought FloSports for Men's basketball so I can watch fo "free" lol
Very cool, I apparently get Bally Sports AZ as part of my Sports package with DirecTV. It will be fun to watch Valpo Football in a true TV game, even with the expectation of getting whooped
1st down on a nice throw from Appel to Vickers...
Well, sadly this is predictable. NM is keyed on Dawson and he's not going anywhere. 1st qtr and already down by 3 TD's... Running game isn't gonna work against NM. Not sure who frustrates me more, Apple for not passing to his players who've been wide open or are the coaches telling him to just hand off to dawson??? Valpo can't keep doing the same thing over and over and expect different results. Thats the definition of insanity people! Ok, Im done venting, back to the game. :twocents:
This is like the NDSU game, can't take stock in what does or does not happen.
This is for the money. Just need everyone to leave healthy.
Hats off to the guys that played , New Mexico State throwing for a touchdown up 55 is bush league.
16 - disagree. The second and third strings want to play and not just the ball. At the end, and let's face it - it's all about the Benjamin's.
I don't fault them for running up the score, at all. They paid us a hefty sum to come play, we knew that we would get brutalized, and their 2nd/3rd string rarely get to play. This is an FBS team that is going to a bowl game. What else did we expect? Them just keeping it to 65 and not throwing more bombs to their much faster WRs with their starting QB, was already trying to slowdown their pace of scoring. It's the same rules for my 9U son's Soccer team. If you get up by 7, you don't have to stop scoring, but you need to do at least 3-4 passes, before you shoot. I think that NMSU was very respectful in taking out their much more athletic folks, and letting their backups get a lot of playing time. Those guys are not just going to take a knee with several minutes left.
As an aside, if the statistics individual is on this forum, the below sequence makes no sense, and added around 70 yards to the rushing stats for the NMSU player. You can't have a punt blocked on your own 29, and then NMSU somehow has the ball on their own 0, for a 77 yard rush to Valpo's 23. This was likely an 11 yard gain from Valpo's 34 to their 23.
VALPARAISO AT 06:39 VALPO AGGIES
1st and 10 at VALPO25 APPEL LE pass incomplete to BINGHAM.
2nd and 10 at VALPO25 LABUS rush up middle for 4 yards to the VALPO29 (McLean,Malachi).
3rd and 6 at VALPO29 APPEL RE pass incomplete to MANN.
4th and 6 at VALPO29 TEAM punt BLOCKED, recovered by AGGIES 34 at AGGIES0 (blocked by Seldon,Andre), out-of-bounds.
Drive Summary: 3 Plays, 4 Yards, 1:02 Elapsed 3 49
NEW MEXICO ST. AT 05:37 VALPO AGGIES
1st and 10 at AGGIES00 Jones,Jamoni rush up middle for 77 yards to the VALPO23, 1ST DOWN AGGIES (GRAVES;SHERMAN).
1st and 10 at VALPO23 Frakes,Gavin rush up middle for loss of 2 yards to the VALPO25 (HINES;HAFNER).
2nd and 12 at VALPO25 Jones,Jamoni rush over left end for no gain to the VALPO25 (BIRMINGHAM;FRANCO).
3rd and 12 at VALPO25 Albertson,Ethan field goal attempt from 42 GOOD, clock 05:03.
Drive Summary: 4 Plays, 75 Yards, 0:34 Elapsed 3 52
Albertson,Ethan kickoff 65 yards to the VALPO0, VERCHER return 16 yards to the VALPO16 (Arinze,Noah;Guyton,Xzavier).
Quote from: valpotx on December 04, 2022, 03:27:36 PMAs an aside, if the statistics individual is on this forum, the below sequence makes no sense, and added around 70 yards to the rushing stats for the NMSU player. You can't have a punt blocked on your own 29, and then NMSU somehow has the ball on their own 0, for a 77 yard rush to Valpo's 23. This was likely an 11 yard gain from Valpo's 34 to their 23.
Thanks for pointing that out -- the home team does the stats... I keep an eye on them and try to correct any errors, but didn't catch this. I'll work on getting it fixed.
Well... it worked for NMSU to schedule that game... the waiver made them Bowl Eligible... AND they got a bid...
Monday December 26... in Detroit at the "Quick Lane Bowl" 1:30pm... NMSU will be playing Bowling Green... It might be fun to watch... it is the ONLY bowl game that day...
so, what's the bowl get them?
Quick Lane Bowl 12/26/2022 $2,000,000 The Detroit Lions, who host the Quick Lane Bowl, is the only professional team to own and operate a bowl game.
Quote from: talksalot on December 05, 2022, 05:29:42 AM
Well... it worked for NMSU to schedule that game... the waiver made them Bowl Eligible... AND they got a bid...
Monday December 26... in Detroit at the "Quick Lane Bowl" 1:30pm... NMSU will be playing Bowling Green... It might be fun to watch... it is the ONLY bowl game that day...
so, what's the bowl get them?
Quick Lane Bowl 12/26/2022 $2,000,000 The Detroit Lions, who host the Quick Lane Bowl, is the only professional team to own and operate a bowl game.
They had a waiver to go prior to the game based on a 5-6 record with a cancelled game. Our game did not count towards going to a bowl.
I thought NM running up the score was overkill. I also wished 2nd and 3rd strings would have got a chance to play, after all it was a opportunity to get experience for them. Just wondering why Valpo stuck to a run game when it wasn't working. Solomon Davis (WR) only got 4 pass receptions. Apple doesn't seem to perform under pressure well, and thats a concern. I was glad when Jackson finally came in, even though late in game. Thinking Kaplans aggressive style would of worked better (sorry he's leaving).
Quote from: valpotx on December 04, 2022, 03:27:36 PMI don't fault them for running up the score, at all. They paid us a hefty sum to come play, we knew that we would get brutalized, and their 2nd/3rd string rarely get to play. This is an FBS team that is going to a bowl game. What else did we expect? Them just keeping it to 65 and not throwing more bombs to their much faster WRs with their starting QB, was already trying to slowdown their pace of scoring. It's the same rules for my 9U son's Soccer team. If you get up by 7, you don't have to stop scoring, but you need to do at least 3-4 passes, before you shoot. I think that NMSU was very respectful in taking out their much more athletic folks, and letting their backups get a lot of playing time. Those guys are not just going to take a knee with several minutes left. As an aside, if the statistics individual is on this forum, the below sequence makes no sense, and added around 70 yards to the rushing stats for the NMSU player. You can't have a punt blocked on your own 29, and then NMSU somehow has the ball on their own 0, for a 77 yard rush to Valpo's 23. This was likely an 11 yard gain from Valpo's 34 to their 23. VALPARAISO AT 06:39 VALPO AGGIES 1st and 10 at VALPO25 APPEL LE pass incomplete to BINGHAM. 2nd and 10 at VALPO25 LABUS rush up middle for 4 yards to the VALPO29 (McLean,Malachi). 3rd and 6 at VALPO29 APPEL RE pass incomplete to MANN. 4th and 6 at VALPO29 TEAM punt BLOCKED, recovered by AGGIES 34 at AGGIES0 (blocked by Seldon,Andre), out-of-bounds. Drive Summary: 3 Plays, 4 Yards, 1:02 Elapsed 3 49 NEW MEXICO ST. AT 05:37 VALPO AGGIES 1st and 10 at AGGIES00 Jones,Jamoni rush up middle for 77 yards to the VALPO23, 1ST DOWN AGGIES (GRAVES;SHERMAN). 1st and 10 at VALPO23 Frakes,Gavin rush up middle for loss of 2 yards to the VALPO25 (HINES;HAFNER). 2nd and 12 at VALPO25 Jones,Jamoni rush over left end for no gain to the VALPO25 (BIRMINGHAM;FRANCO). 3rd and 12 at VALPO25 Albertson,Ethan field goal attempt from 42 GOOD, clock 05:03. Drive Summary: 4 Plays, 75 Yards, 0:34 Elapsed 3 52 Albertson,Ethan kickoff 65 yards to the VALPO0, VERCHER return 16 yards to the VALPO16 (Arinze,Noah;Guyton,Xzavier).
This type of p-b-p description usually gets corrected at some point but sometimes following play by play online leads to this type of gibberish. I assume the technology used is not set up for a full description or the operator of the technology is lacking in how to enter certain events within a game into the system.
Quote from: soapyjeans on December 05, 2022, 08:59:56 AMI thought NM running up the score was overkill. I also wished 2nd and 3rd strings would have got a chance to play, after all it was a opportunity to get experience for them. Just wondering why Valpo stuck to a run game when it wasn't working.
They wanted Appel around for next year.
NMSU just beat Auburn. Nice to know we contributed to building their improved 2023 season. ;D
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 18, 2023, 09:25:38 PM
NMSU just beat Auburn. Nice to know we contributed to building their improved 2023 season. ;D
Must have been Valpo's punting that challenged NMSU.
I think having a conference home really helped them. 10 wins this year is amazing for where they've been historically. That victory over Auburn was also their first victory over an SEC team in program history.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on December 21, 2023, 02:50:32 PM
I think having a conference home really helped them. 10 wins this year is amazing for where they've been historically. That victory over Auburn was also their first victory over an SEC team in program history.
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