Figured we should start a thread to post any relevant transfers to our program. We all obviously know about Lexus, most have heard about Fazekas leaving Providence.
New transfer news: Per Jon Rothstein, Kanter is graduating and transferring from Green Bay. Pretty significant.
Damn... that is a HUGE blow for Green Bay.
This grad transfer rule significantly impacts the MidMajor schools more then the Power Conference schools. It goes both ways but it significantly hurts the little guy more then the big schools.
Wow, that is going to hurt Darner and co.
Quote from: valpo4life on March 24, 2017, 11:10:00 AM
Figured we should start a thread to post any relevant transfers to our program. We all obviously know about Lexus, most have heard about Fazekas leaving Providence.
New transfer news: Per Jon Rothstein, Kanter is graduating and transferring from Green Bay. Pretty significant.
FAKE NEWS!!! Apparently he has told the coaches he is just declaring for the draft without an agent, but the feeling is that he's gone.
I thought {Paul Oren had indicated that Kanter was good enough to be considered for MVP next season.
Having watched every single game the kid has played at the collegiate level, there is no chance he is pro-ready. Not sure why he decided this year was the time to do it since his stock really couldn't be that high (he only started for 6 weeks with up and down results). Maybe eventually he projects out but not right now. If he wants to go, that's his choice, however, I really don't see how this benefits him. Not signing with an agent is a curious choice, too. You would think if he were that confident that he would sign with someone. Maybe there is a bigger story here, but as of a few days ago, Linc gave an interview and mentioned Kerem as the guy to watch for next year in terms of impact, so this surely comes as a surprise to him. We have to play the waiting game now, I guess, this is far from over.
Can graduate transfers go to another conference team and play? Are there any rules, or they can go wherever and play immediately?
I'm not sure on the grad transfer rule, my guess is that you can go wherever you want once you've graduated. However, he has indicated that he doesn't plan to transfer, only declare for the draft.
Quote from: yayphoenixyay on March 24, 2017, 01:00:06 PM
Having watched every single game the kid has played at the collegiate level, there is no chance he is pro-ready. Not sure why he decided this year was the time to do it since his stock really couldn't be that high (he only started for 6 weeks with up and down results). Maybe eventually he projects out but not right now. If he wants to go, that's his choice, however, I really don't see how this benefits him. Not signing with an agent is a curious choice, too. You would think if he were that confident that he would sign with someone. Maybe there is a bigger story here, but as of a few days ago, Linc gave an interview and mentioned Kerem as the guy to watch for next year in terms of impact, so this surely comes as a surprise to him. We have to play the waiting game now, I guess, this is far from over.
It actually makes sense for every single college player to declare for the draft without an agent. You then can go compete in individual workouts, get feedback from professional personnel, etc. If you don't like what you hear about your draft stock then come back to school and work on the parts of your game that you were told are your weaknesses. More players should take advantage of this. You have nothing to lose.
Just like AP did last year... you can declare for the draft... go to the tryouts, get their feedback on what you need to work on (or be told you're good to go)... and then you can go anywhere you want. AP made the choice to come back to Valpo... but he could have gone anywhere. Think Brandon Wood and Izzo...
The only thing any of us can really see him doing is going to Europe to play next season, if anywhere else but GB. No chance he is on an NBA court come October as anything but a spectator. Personally, I think he will be back, but like any self-respecting Wisconsin sports pessimists do, our board is acting like the sun just burned out. Like you said, Kerem doesn't lose anything, he's probably just testing the waters.
Quote from: yayphoenixyay on March 24, 2017, 01:00:06 PM
Having watched every single game the kid has played at the collegiate level, there is no chance he is pro-ready. Not sure why he decided this year was the time to do it since his stock really couldn't be that high (he only started for 6 weeks with up and down results). Maybe eventually he projects out but not right now. If he wants to go, that's his choice, however, I really don't see how this benefits him. Not signing with an agent is a curious choice, too. You would think if he were that confident that he would sign with someone. Maybe there is a bigger story here, but as of a few days ago, Linc gave an interview and mentioned Kerem as the guy to watch for next year in terms of impact, so this surely comes as a surprise to him. We have to play the waiting game now, I guess, this is far from over.
We can sympathize, Alec rightfully declared for the draft last year too. It's designed to give feedback to edge players like Alec (last year) and Kanter this year.
I'm hoping he stays at GB, we all want a competitive quality conference.
Now he's already saying, "I can definitely see myself staying here".... I doubt he leaves
QuoteNow he's already saying, "I can definitely see myself staying here".... I doubt he leaves
Yeah I saw Scott Vecni's tweet. Such weird phrasing to say something like that. Venci said he is really concentrating on the Draft, but he's not going to get drafted. Whats the point of going through that process? Next year if he went back to GB and had another good season I could see him getting an invite to the NBA draft combine but no this year.
Do you think he wants to transfer or just wants to be done with school and go pro in Europe?
He already said he won't transfer. He also made no mention of playing anywhere else professionally, just the NBA, so my guess is on the backout deadline, Kerem will return to GB
Quote from: VU2014 on March 24, 2017, 03:52:40 PM
QuoteNow he's already saying, "I can definitely see myself staying here".... I doubt he leaves
Yeah I saw Scott Vecni's tweet. Such weird phrasing to say something like that. Venci said he is really concentrating on the Draft, but he's not going to get drafted. Whats the point of going through that process? Next year if he went back to GB and had another good season I could see him getting an invite to the NBA draft combine but no this year.
Do you think he wants to transfer or just wants to be done with school and go pro in Europe?
What's the point of dating someone unless you know you're going to marry them? You get positive (or negative) experience that will help you in the future.
Quote from: yayphoenixyay on March 24, 2017, 04:09:03 PM
He already said he won't transfer. He also made no mention of playing anywhere else professionally, just the NBA, so my guess is on the backout deadline, Kerem will return to GB
Phoenix, what's your take on GB 2017/18? If I remember correctly you graduated a large group of seniors. What's the buzz around next year's team?
To play Devils advocate and say he leaves, we will have no post presence unless we land a Juco PF named Vance Johnson. Our guards will be fine, Paul Turner will be an all conference dark horse. We also have Marquette transfer Sandy Cohen starting in December. We will be able to score, without Kanter we won't be able to rebound. If we do keep him, we could make a run at a conference title.
Quote from: oklahomamick on March 24, 2017, 01:10:21 PM
Can graduate transfers go to another conference team and play? Are there any rules, or they can go wherever and play immediately?
Spike Albrecht transferred from um to pu.
Quote from: valpospartan on March 24, 2017, 09:45:20 PM
Quote from: oklahomamick on March 24, 2017, 01:10:21 PM
Can graduate transfers go to another conference team and play? Are there any rules, or they can go wherever and play immediately?
Spike Albrecht transferred from um to pu.
Michigan could have blocked that transfer to Purdue and initially Beilein did block it but then the Wolverines did not see it as a positive thing to do and okayed Albrecht's transfer to Purdue.
Yes please. Grad Transfer from Michigan. We could use a stop gap Power Forward for a year while the young guys learn...
Scouting Reports: Mark Donnal is a strong face-up forward who can shoot or even get to the rim from the triple-threat. -James Kerti (National Scout)
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/66187/mark-donnal
https://twitter.com/VerbalCommits/status/846489990674591745
https://twitter.com/MaxBielfeldt/status/846483675772583943
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu5JAvVUGuw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BoBEjQVT1g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-z1h_FpQk8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmLOzuUqdBU
Quote from: VU2014 on March 27, 2017, 06:22:28 PMYes please. Grad Transfer from Michigan. We could use a stop gap Power Forward for a yea while the young guys learn...
Scouting Reports: Mark Donnal is a strong face-up forward who can shoot or even get to the rim from the triple-threat. -James Kerti (National Scout)
Maybe--- He doesn't take many 3 pointers and that might be a slight limitation for spreading the floor. Next year we could really use another deadeye 3 or 4 in addition to Burton. Not much 3 point talent coming from our new freshmen.
Quote from: justducky on March 27, 2017, 07:26:36 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on March 27, 2017, 06:22:28 PMYes please. Grad Transfer from Michigan. We could use a stop gap Power Forward for a yea while the young guys learn...
Scouting Reports: Mark Donnal is a strong face-up forward who can shoot or even get to the rim from the triple-threat. -James Kerti (National Scout)
Maybe--- He doesn't take many 3 pointers and that might be a slight limitation for spreading the floor. Next year we could really use another deadeye 3 or 4 in addition to Burton. Not much 3 point talent coming from our new freshmen.
We have 3 scholarships left for next season. On USH Paul mentioned that Grad transfers and RS Transfers are the most likely targets to fill out next seasons roster:
1. Consensus seems Kiser will get one of the 3 scholarships unless we land a combination of can't pass up talents
2. Hopefully we land a guy like Ryan Fazekas who can RS next season but be an impact guy for the future (dead-eye 3pt shooter)
3. I forget who mentioned it but we may be hurting for a fully developed big who can rebound. Maybe Donnal could be a useful player for us for one year.
Anyone think we could potentially lose anyone else to transfer this off-season? Paul just dropped a nugget saying more HL players are to come. Curious if he knows something we don't yet.
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/846828318263558146
https://twitter.com/VerbalCommits/status/846825839220015105
Checked the 2017 Xfers list and found the following of interest: Matt Ryan (SO) Notre Dame 6-7 SF 3*-4* HS - Iona Prep, New Rochelle, NY. If he is homesick he has a whole bunch of NY and NE D-I schools to go to. OR he might like to stay in Indiana about 30 miles down the road?
Rob Edwards just left CSU with a bare cupboard.
Quote from: M on March 28, 2017, 08:28:55 PM
Rob Edwards just left CSU with a bare cupboard.
You need to show your sources. Edwards is quoted as saying he will make a decision in the next couple of weeks.
http://www.news-herald.com/sports/20170327/new-cleveland-state-mens-basketball-coach-dennis-felton-promises-aggressive-approach
When a coaching change is made at a D-I school, there are questions about the better players from the previous coaching regime deciding to transfer elsewhere. Rob Edwards, a 6-foot-4 sophomore shooting guard who averaged 16.4 points per game last season, said he is undecided on that front. He has met with Felton. "I'm exploring my options," said Edwards, a second-team All-Horizon League honoree. "I'll make my decision in the next couple of weeks."
https://twitter.com/BSnowScout/status/846875275178725377
https://twitter.com/VerbalCommits/status/846898355766620164
Quote from: VU2014 on March 28, 2017, 09:41:21 PM
https://twitter.com/BSnowScout/status/846875275178725377
I don't know Brian Snow but yesterday Rob Edwards said he will make a decision in the next couple of weeks. Strange that "other people", not the student athlete, are saying he will transfer.
I got it from verbal commits...VC also tweeted last night at 9:34pm that Jibri Blount is leaving the program at CSU.
Jack Whitman could be the PF help we could use for one season:
http://verbalcommits.com/players/jack-whitman
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/67189/jack-whitman
Quote from: covufan on March 29, 2017, 12:28:02 PM
Jack Whitman could be the PF help we could use for one season:
http://verbalcommits.com/players/jack-whitman
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/67189/jack-whitman
I really like the idea of adding a graduate transfer PF next season, because all the PF and bigs will still be young.
Coach Warner may be able to reach out to the William & Mary Athletic Department if he still has a connection there. He spent two seasons as an assistant coach at William & Mary (2004-06), been 10 years but may still know someone.
I agree. I'd rather have an impact player who can be a scoring threat right away for just a year than another work in progress.
The odds of having another player like Alec who is going to be making a big impact right from the start is small so get someone who can take some of the pressure off our younger guys while they continue to get their legs under them and learn and grow.
One time Valpo commit Zion Morgan (FR) will be transferring from UNLV
https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/847228565875695616
Huge blow for UIC losing KJ Santos. Really thought he was going to develop into a really nice player. Just not enough shots to go around I guess.
https://twitter.com/Catch_N_Shoot/status/847217808941342720
This transferring thing in college hoops has gone totally off the rails.
Quote from: bigmosmithfan1 on March 29, 2017, 07:56:04 PM
This transferring thing in college hoops has gone totally off the rails.
Agreed. There are WAY more transfers then usual this offseason. Guys are transferring left and right.
Losing Kolawale and Santos will be a huge loss for the Flames because now teams can comfortably defend Dixson. UIC will be a two man show next year with Odiase and Dikembe.
Like was mentioned above, something needs to be done about the transfer rule. Kids have no incentive to stay at a mid to low major anymore if they even think they have a sniff at a higher level (see Kerem Kanter).
Quote from: yayphoenixyay on March 29, 2017, 11:10:03 PM
Losing Kolawale and Santos will be a huge loss for the Flames because now teams can comfortably defend Dixson. UIC will be a two man show next year with Odiase and Dikembe.
Like was mentioned above, something needs to be done about the transfer rule. Kids have no incentive to stay at a mid to low major anymore if they even think they have a sniff at a higher level (see Kerem Kanter).
Any more updates on Kanter for us?
He's definitely not coming back to us, he officially was granted his release.
One (ridiculous imo) destination according to their own fans is Bradley to reunite with the devil himself, Wardle. That is a lateral move at best and I really do not see why that would make any sense since they already have some bigs and the Braves aren't exactly a spring board into the NBA. Again, that is their own speculation, not mine, and I think its absurd. As of right now, none of us have heard anything other than he wants to go to a top 6 conference, where he'd probably snag about 10 minutes off the bench per game, tops. Maybe out west by his brother, a UNLV, Utah, perhaps, who knows? That is my own pure speculation. In any case, his best shot to make the league was to stay at GB where he was familiar with the system and his teammates and could've thrived as our go-to guy, gaining all-conference honors along the way.
Quote from: yayphoenixyay on March 29, 2017, 11:22:09 PM
He's definitely not coming back to us, he officially was granted his release.
One (ridiculous imo) destination according to their own fans is Bradley to reunite with the devil himself, Wardle. That is a lateral move at best and I really do not see why that would make any sense since they already have some bigs and the Braves aren't exactly a spring board into the NBA. Again, that is their own speculation, not mine, and I think its absurd. As of right now, none of us have heard anything other than he wants to go to a top 6 conference, where he'd probably snag about 10 minutes off the bench per game, tops. Maybe out west by his brother, a UNLV, Utah, perhaps, who knows? That is my own pure speculation. In any case, his best shot to make the league was to stay at GB where he was familiar with the system and his teammates and could've thrived as our go-to guy, gaining all-conference honors along the way.
How about your new 3* signee PF...any thoughts?
I think he might be more of a project, but will be a very good player. His main strength is rebounding and he gets a lot of putbacks. It will be interesting to see how well he integrates into our up tempo style. He isn't going to run by anyone, but he might present matchup problems for guys like Smits and Sorolla in the post since he can muscle his way to rebounds. My bold prediction: our local guy, Will Chevalier, a 6-8 PF, will be our best freshman, and might be our best guy of this class.
Quote from: VU2014 on March 29, 2017, 07:24:08 PM
Huge blow for UIC losing KJ Santos. Really thought he was going to develop into a really nice player. Just not enough shots to go around I guess.
https://twitter.com/Catch_N_Shoot/status/847217808941342720
Someone on here had predicted that McClain was going to have trouble with getting enough floor time for all of the talent at UIC. Now we are seeing some of that talent (Kolawale, Santos and Thomas) transfer to other schools where they will get more playing time, supposedly.
Quote from: bbtds on March 30, 2017, 06:57:23 AM
Quote from: VU2014 on March 29, 2017, 07:24:08 PM
Huge blow for UIC losing KJ Santos. Really thought he was going to develop into a really nice player. Just not enough shots to go around I guess.
https://twitter.com/Catch_N_Shoot/status/847217808941342720
Someone on here had predicted that McClain was going to have trouble with getting enough floor time for all of the talent at UIC. Now we are seeing some of that talent (Kolawale, Santos and Thomas) transfer to other schools where they will get more playing time, supposedly.
I had said that UIC would most likely have chemistry issues and that Dixson would not be able to put up similar shot numbers as before if these guys were going to play together. Well I guess they rectified that problem!!
BTW, has anyone heard where Lexus is headed?
Do we want/need Zion Morgan?
Tevonn and max both graduating after next season. He would have a year with the program to improve his game and bulk up a bit. At 6'5 he seems like a guard we should want.
Quote from: VULB#62 on March 30, 2017, 01:18:33 PM
BTW, has anyone heard where Lexus is headed?
Not heard anything yet. Probably waiting till after signing day April 12th to see where chips fall in terms of scholarships, roles, where he can get the most playing time, and best fit are.
Quote from: SanityLost17 on March 30, 2017, 02:02:43 PM
Do we want/need Zion Morgan?
Tevonn and max both graduating after next season. He would have a year with the program to improve his game and bulk up a bit. At 6'5 he seems like a guard we should want.
I wasn't a huge fan of Zion's game to begin with. I thought he'd become a very good defender eventually but would just be an average offensive 2 guard. I think he'd be a nice role player but not big upside. Just solid.
Zion Morgan decommitted to Valpo because Micah signed with the team. Zion wanted to play point guard and get a decent amount of minutes, so thats why backed out of his verbal commitment to Valpo. I remember correctly he really wanted to play for Wisconsin and they were giving him look. His length and defensive game really fit Wisconsin's scheme but he didn't shoot ball well enough to warrant offer. He was going to go to prep school but then got a last minute offer from UNLV because they hired Rob Jeter (former MKE HC), who scouted him for UWM. Jeter (off the Bo Ryan coaching tree) ran a poor man's Wisconsin scheme in his time at MKE.
Quote from: SanityLost17 on March 30, 2017, 02:02:43 PM
Do we want/need Zion Morgan?
Tevonn and max both graduating after next season. He would have a year with the program to improve his game and bulk up a bit. At 6'5 he seems like a guard we should want.
Gave it some more thought.
I think Zion Morgan and Ryan Fazekus are perfect. Both would get to sit out a year, get stronger, and learn our system. Both would fill a need.
I say go hard at these 2 guys and give Kiser a scholarship. We don't need any more active players for next year. We will have 11 serviceable guys. We need a couple of redshirt players. Morgan and Kiser are both 6'5 and can play the 2 guard (good height for that position). They replace Tevonn and Max. Fazekus/Hazen can play together for 3 years at PF. One is more of a post PF and the other more of a stretch 4. Gives us options depending on who we are playing. Burton wants to play the 3, I think that is why he transferred here. He/Golder/McMillian can cover that for the foreseeable future. If Golder/McMillian are both a bust Morgan/Kiser/Hazen/Fazekus could all play minutes at the 3 after Burton graduates
I like it.
We definitely need to find a bruiser power forward. We need toughness and rebounding inside...now! A grad transfer would be ideal or a JC. After that we need shooters, last year's gang that couldn't shoot straight cost us games especially after AP was injured. Morgan does not provide either of the above or immediate help.
Quote from: valpo84 on March 30, 2017, 04:49:54 PM
We definitely need to find a bruiser power forward. We need toughness and rebounding inside...now! A grad transfer would be ideal or a JC. After that we need shooters, last year's gang that couldn't shoot straight cost us games especially after AP was injured. Morgan does not provide either of the above or immediate help.
Agreed.
After Jack Whitman (above), I think that Darien Williams from St. John's and Sean Obi from Duke might fit into our plans. Obi was injured this year, and also has a year at Rice. Williams went to a Lutheran HS in CA.
http://verbalcommits.com/players/darien-williams
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3938922/darien-williams
http://verbalcommits.com/players/sean-obi
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/66760/sean-obi
We need to check out the Weathers brothers from Miami O. Both had great Fr seasons (17 pits, 9 pats). 6-5 and 6-3.
Pits and pats are important stats....
I don't want Morgan. Plenty of guys out there that can do what he does who haven't given us the bird.
https://twitter.com/JKimElevate/status/847543890232180738
Year: 2016 (FR)
Position: SG
Height: 6-2
Weight: 191
Hometown: Shawnee Mission, KS
High School: North High School
SEASON TEAM MIN FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
2016-17 M-OH 28.6 5.5-12.8 .431 0.6-2.7 .221 5.0-6.4 .777 4.2 4.8 1.4 1.9 3.4 4.8 16.7
Turnovers are a red-flag. Not a great 3pt shooter. Seems like there is a lot of potential but pretty inefficient as of right now.
2 steals and 1.4 blocks is really nice. A lot of potential. Seems like he could really benefit from a red-shirt year.
https://www.verbalcommits.com/players/michael-weathers
Seems we already have a young pg with a lot of potential.
I'm getting dizzy on this merry-go-round. Who's on first?........... or at least taking a big lead off the bag?
Someone said Morgan verbally committed, but the next several posts sounded otherwise. But I might not have read it right.
Quote from: crusadermoe on March 31, 2017, 09:50:38 AM
I'm getting dizzy on this merry-go-round. Who's on first?........... or at least taking a big lead off the bag?
Someone said Morgan verbally committed, but the next several posts sounded otherwise. But I might not have read it right.
Zion Morgan definitely committed to Valpo back in High School. But then backed out of his commitment because we signed Micah and he wanted big playing time.
Just my gut but I don't see Zion Morgan coming to Valpo.
https://twitter.com/VerbalCommits/status/665272327119089664
Mark Alstork from Wright State has declared for the NBA draft but won't sign an agent
Quote from: valpo4life on March 31, 2017, 10:00:22 AM
Mark Alstork from Wright State has declared for the NBA draft but won't sign an agent
Probably just going to do the same thing Alec did (even though Alec had more of a real chance of leaving for the NBA last year). He'll go through the workouts. Talk to NBA coaches. Get some feedback and he'll come back to WSU.
I watch a fair share of MAC games. Michael Weathers is a stud. He was only a freshman on a terrible terrible team. It is not surprising that he has that many TOs.
He is not a great 3 point shooter but he can get to the basket at will.
Quote from: VU2014 on March 31, 2017, 09:56:45 AMJust my gut but I don't see Zion Morgan coming to Valpo.
I don't see us giving him a redshirt scholarship year. The risk-reward numbers do not pan out. Maybe if he went JC and then transferred in (immediate eligibility) it might then be mutually beneficial.
Quote from: ValpoFan on March 31, 2017, 10:15:46 AMI watch a fair share of MAC games. Michael Weathers is a stud. He was only a freshman on a terrible terrible team. It is not surprising that he has that many TOs.
He is not a great 3 point shooter but he can get to the basket at will.
This is another case of a redshirt scholarship year. We should try to limit these to one per season. So we target Fazekas (sp ???) and if we get him anybody else who would be subject to the transfer redshirt rule would need to be top of the line TOP SHELF or nothing.
Quote from: ValpoFan on March 31, 2017, 10:15:46 AMI watch a fair share of MAC games. Michael Weathers is a stud. He was only a freshman on a terrible terrible team. It is not surprising that he has that many TOs.
He is not a great 3 point shooter but he can get to the basket at will.
This is another case of a redshirt scholarship year. We should try to limit these to one per season. So we target Fazekas (sp ???) and if we get him anybody else who would be subject to the transfer redshirt rule would need to be top of the line TOP SHELF or nothing.
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I think its ok to go after 1 RedShirt transfer every year but if we go for 2 when the situation and player is right. It looks like Joe and Bakari have the potential to be fantastic example of that (Middleton not so much).
I whole heartedly agree that we should only be going after impact transfers if they need to sit out a year.
Quote from: ValpoFan on March 31, 2017, 10:15:46 AM
I watch a fair share of MAC games. Michael Weathers is a stud. He was only a freshman on a terrible terrible team. It is not surprising that he has that many TOs.
He is not a great 3 point shooter but he can get to the basket at will.
Completely agree I watched him almost single handily beat Akron, I think in Akron.
Verbal Commits websites report Valpo has offered Shaquellie Calhoun a 6 4 SG JC / transfer from South Alabama.
I'm not sure what to think of the Shaq Calhoun offer... 6'4" Juco guard who can immediately play. Nothing from his stats really "stands-out". He was the 6th leading score on his Juco team last year and all of his shooting %'s regressed last year. He shot .355 from beyond the arc his freshman season but great regressed .261% from 3pt line and took nearly 5 3s per game. Not good.
From the stats it looks like he had a pretty good Freshman year but a really not so good sophomore year. Injury maybe? Bad luck year? Bad situation? Idk.
His FG% was .322% last season in 32 games (22min per game) (that is really not too good... not a typo). He averaged 8.3 shots per game.
I looked at the youtube highlight vids and nothing particular stood out as stud skills. A lot of jump shots.
I've seen on twitter that he is considered a very physical and confidence guard. I'm assuming he must play some decent D too warrant an offer. Maybe they are trying to find the next Darien Walker? Super tough player, who didn't have any stand out skills but was clutch and fearless and just was a really solid player that could be relied upon.
I know the coaches have actually seen him play live and we haven't so I don't want to be too critical but I am not particularly excited by this offer. I would be more then happy to look like a fool 2 years from now by saying this. We shall see.
https://www.verbalcommits.com/players/shaqueille-calhoun
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/shaq-calhoun-1.html
https://twitter.com/VerbalCommits/status/847579996725981185
https://twitter.com/JoshuaParrott/status/847573407839289344
https://twitter.com/inusanewscom/status/820479580758634497
https://twitter.com/OntheRadarHoops/status/847596879776894976
https://twitter.com/shaqcalhounnn/status/848308417924141056
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNLMvCNeCEg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKcdhVWq5Q8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5MC8SQQ70M
Quote from: VU75 on April 01, 2017, 04:39:24 PM
Verbal Commits websites report Valpo has offered Shaquellie Calhoun a 6 4 SG JC / transfer from South Alabama.
Not positive this is him, but maybe he's a graduate transfer? Article from this year says he's a Junior so maybe he graduates in 3-years? No clue...
https://www.google.com/amp/www.al.com/articles/19976505/shaq_calhoun_leads_south_alaba.amp (https://www.google.com/amp/www.al.com/articles/19976505/shaq_calhoun_leads_south_alaba.amp)
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on April 01, 2017, 06:53:03 PM
Quote from: VU75 on April 01, 2017, 04:39:24 PM
Verbal Commits websites report Valpo has offered Shaquellie Calhoun a 6 4 SG JC / transfer from South Alabama.
Not positive this is him, but maybe he's a graduate transfer? Article from this year says he's a Junior so maybe he graduates in 3-years? No clue...
https://www.google.com/amp/www.al.com/articles/19976505/shaq_calhoun_leads_south_alaba.amp (https://www.google.com/amp/www.al.com/articles/19976505/shaq_calhoun_leads_south_alaba.amp)
I believe its him. He retweeted the verbal commits tweet.
https://twitter.com/VerbalCommits/status/848270608588615680
https://twitter.com/shaqcalhounnn/status/848308417924141056
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on April 01, 2017, 06:53:03 PMNot positive this is him, but maybe he's a graduate transfer? Article from this year says he's a Junior so maybe he graduates in 3-years? No clue..
Looks like he was injured and red shirted his soph year in Junior College. So he graduated in 4 years and has one more year left.
Why?
I think this offer to Shaq Calhoun tells us quite a bit. Looks to me that we now know the 17-18 season could be a struggle as we integrate our promising newcomers and further develop Smits and Sorolla. I think 18-19 might be our next realistic target for prominence. So by recruiting Fazekas or some other red shirting transfer, the need for an additional experienced contributor is magnified. Looks like Calhoun is good enough to keep us in the hunt while Matt shapes our players and strategies for 18-19.
I hope nobody interprets this to mean we will be a bad team but with so few proven 3 point shooters I just can't see it being a great one.
Quote from: valpo4life on March 31, 2017, 10:00:22 AM
Mark Alstork from Wright State has declared for the NBA draft but won't sign an agent
Now being reported he will graduate, transfer, and be eligible immediately next year. Valpo and Oakland seem destined to stay at the top of this conference because all the others school's best players are choosing to leave, while players from other schools are choosing to come to us and Oakland.
You don't suppose that Billy Donlon at UMich would be recruiting him... again?
Quote from: talksalot on April 04, 2017, 12:27:38 PM
You don't suppose that Billy Donlon at UMich would be recruiting him... again?
Who said the guy couldn't ever recruit lol? But serious bummer for Wright State. Originally thought he was just going to be going the NBA draft combine.
I'd be willing to bet coaches broke rules and reached out to him in private trying to recruit him. It is so sleazy how so many coaches do that and recruit other teams players behind coaches backs. It's a dirty business of coaching.
https://twitter.com/EvanDaniels/status/849303537708408832
Quote from: valpo4life on April 04, 2017, 12:03:29 PM
Quote from: valpo4life on March 31, 2017, 10:00:22 AM
Mark Alstork from Wright State has declared for the NBA draft but won't sign an agent
Now being reported he will graduate, transfer, and be eligible immediately next year. Valpo and Oakland seem destined to stay at the top of this conference because all the others school's best players are choosing to leave, while players from other schools are choosing to come to us and Oakland.
Is this a Horizon League problem or do other Mid majors in better conferences see exodus of teams top players (WSU and GB so far have lost too returners right?)
Is tgis happening in MVC as much or A10?
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on April 04, 2017, 01:25:33 PM
Quote from: valpo4life on April 04, 2017, 12:03:29 PM
Quote from: valpo4life on March 31, 2017, 10:00:22 AM
Mark Alstork from Wright State has declared for the NBA draft but won't sign an agent
Now being reported he will graduate, transfer, and be eligible immediately next year. Valpo and Oakland seem destined to stay at the top of this conference because all the others school's best players are choosing to leave, while players from other schools are choosing to come to us and Oakland.
This is a national problem. The amount of transfers is staggering. Last year was a record for transfer being over 700. We will very likely surpass that this offseason.
The "student" part of student-athlete is getting completely tossed to the side. Kids are just leaving left and right because they think they should get instant playing time.
The grad-transfer rule in the NCAA is greatly impacting mid-major programs more then the P6 conferences. Best mid players are getting poached.
Is this a Horizon League problem or do other Mid majors in better conferences see exodus of teams top players (WSU and GB so far have lost too returners right?)
Is tgis happening in MVC as much or A10?
https://twitter.com/shaqcalhounnn/status/849400018104659968
Quote from: VU2014 on April 04, 2017, 06:37:55 PM
https://twitter.com/shaqcalhounnn/status/849400018104659968
Any Kiser news?
The transfer issue goes both ways. Did Valpo cry for Nebraska or Oklahoma State when they lost transfers to us? If Kanter, Alstork, Edwards, Kolawole, Santos, etc. decided to transfer to Valpo how bad would we feel for GB, WSU, UIC, YSU, etc.?
Quote from: bbtds on April 05, 2017, 01:07:55 PM
The transfer issue goes both ways. Did Valpo cry for Nebraska or Oklahoma State when they lost transfers to us? If Kanter, Alstork, Edwards, Kolawole, Santos, etc. decided to transfer to Valpo how bad would we feel for GB, WSU, UIC, YSU, etc.?
Definitely does but the Grad Transfer rule hurts the Mid-Majors WAY more then the Power Conferences. It is extremely tough for Mid-Majors to lose their stars who are suppose to be Seniors. That means you do all the investing and developing the first 3 years of the kids college career and then the Power Schools snatch them away when you have your best chance to make a run and have a good year. The pain is way more for the Mid Majors.
QuoteThe transfer issue goes both ways. Did Valpo cry for Nebraska or Oklahoma State when they lost transfers to us?
What VU2014 said. There's a difference between a player leaving because of a coaching change or lack of playing time at a P5 vs. a star player at a midmajor being poached before their fourth year by a P5, after said midmajor has developed that player (or the P5 whiffed on the guy the first time around). The "up-transfer" trend is almost entirely due to the grad transfer rule and the way the P5 is now using/abusing it as a minor league development system.
Grad transfer rule seemed to help Gonzaga, a mid-major, by adding Jordan Mathews from P5 California. Another way of thinking about the grad transfer rule for mid-major stars is that it is similar to moving up from AA to AAA in the baseball minors. That star would have had the chance to jump to the pros after soph or junior year if they had been at a P5. By going up a "league" they have more exposure and chances to raise their draft stock (at least perception wise). Why shouldn't a player move around? Coaches do it and are paid a great deal to do it. The player has only the opportunity to become more visible, fulfill their dream of playing for a "big school," and a hope for a long NCAA tourney run. The success, however, of the grad transfer getting any of those is debatable. Stat guys/gals should run a search of how many of those "stars" actually raised their draft stock and were drafted by the NBA. It didn't work out for Brandon, but he did get to play for the Spartans and Izzo, become a part of that family and has had a nice foreign career. I think about Ariens of UWM, he moved over to Wake Forest, played for Danny Manning, and was a role player, but ended up playing a year in the ACC, contributing some big 3s and getting the chance to play in the ACC Tourney and NCAA, thereby helping Wake erase the horrible memories of the Bzzzzzdelik years. To me, that's a reason for the grad transfer rule.
One of the Weathers brothers may be transferring to NKU. The 2-star brother Marcus.
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/849617280900227072
Quote from: valpo84 on April 05, 2017, 02:55:51 PM
Grad transfer rule seemed to help Gonzaga, a mid-major, by adding Jordan Mathews from P5 California. Another way of thinking about the grad transfer rule for mid-major stars is that it is similar to moving up from AA to AAA in the baseball minors. That star would have had the chance to jump to the pros after soph or junior year if they had been at a P5. By going up a "league" they have more exposure and chances to raise their draft stock (at least perception wise). Why shouldn't a player move around? Coaches do it and are paid a great deal to do it. The player has only the opportunity to become more visible, fulfill their dream of playing for a "big school," and a hope for a long NCAA tourney run. The success, however, of the grad transfer getting any of those is debatable. Stat guys/gals should run a search of how many of those "stars" actually raised their draft stock and were drafted by the NBA. It didn't work out for Brandon, but he did get to play for the Spartans and Izzo, become a part of that family and has had a nice foreign career. I think about Ariens of UWM, he moved over to Wake Forest, played for Danny Manning, and was a role player, but ended up playing a year in the ACC, contributing some big 3s and getting the chance to play in the ACC Tourney and NCAA, thereby helping Wake erase the horrible memories of the Bzzzzzdelik years. To me, that's a reason for the grad transfer rule.
I think we need to dispose of the myth that Gonzaga is a mid-major. That is an elite program.
I also think the days of needing play in the P5 to get notice by Pro teams/NBA teams are completely dead. Every game is on TV these days and NBA squads have the resources to scout anywhere and everywhere.
I would consider both Butler and Gonzaga as "major" programs.
Quote from: valpo64 on April 05, 2017, 07:30:03 PM
I would consider both Butler and Gonzaga as "major" programs.
Perhaps, but Butler hasn't even won their own conference title yet. I have been surprised that they have been able to "reload" on a regular basis. Part of it is their style of play where they play very solid defense and don't turn the ball over. As a result, they play close games all the time. Still, they lost to Indiana State and lost in the first round of their conference tourney. Very solid but not quite "major" in my estimation.
They are competitive in a P6 conference are they not? They were nationally ranked this season, no? They draw 9,300+ per game in the Big East. What's not "major" about that? Stumbles along the way happen to everyone, but the body of work since joining the Big East is competitive at a P6 level.
Quote from: vu72 on April 05, 2017, 10:58:49 PM
Quote from: valpo64 on April 05, 2017, 07:30:03 PM
I would consider both Butler and Gonzaga as "major" programs.
Perhaps, but Butler hasn't even won their own conference title yet. I have been surprised that they have been able to "reload" on a regular basis. Part of it is their style of play where they play very solid defense and don't turn the ball over. As a result, they play close games all the time. Still, they lost to Indiana State and lost in the first round of their conference tourney. Very solid but not quite "major" in my estimation.
Over the last 11 seasons, Butler has been in the AP Top 25 for 110 of 211 weeks (reaching #11 or higher in
SEVEN of those 11 seasons). In those years, they've been to the NCAA Tournament 9 times, going 18-9, making 4 Sweet 16s and 2 Final Fours.
Despite a few inexplicable losses, I would agree that's pretty solid.
Let's be honest. We all dislike Butler because we wish our admin had the same dedication to basketball.
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on April 06, 2017, 12:54:46 PM
Let's be honest. We all dislike Butler because we wish our admin had the same dedication to basketball.
......and their big mouth totally obnoxious fans. If you think they are numerous in NW Indiana try living in Indy.
Quote from: VULB#62 on March 28, 2017, 08:17:20 PM
Checked the 2017 Xfers list and found the following of interest: Matt Ryan (SO) Notre Dame 6-7 SF 3*-4* HS - Iona Prep, New Rochelle, NY. If he is homesick he has a whole bunch of NY and NE D-I schools to go to. OR he might like to stay in Indiana about 30 miles down the road?
Looks like Ryan might end up with Bryce. He is on an official visit to Vandy today.
Quote from: valpopal on April 09, 2017, 09:53:04 AM
Quote from: VULB#62 on March 28, 2017, 08:17:20 PM
Checked the 2017 Xfers list and found the following of interest: Matt Ryan (SO) Notre Dame 6-7 SF 3*-4* HS - Iona Prep, New Rochelle, NY. If he is homesick he has a whole bunch of NY and NE D-I schools to go to. OR he might like to stay in Indiana about 30 miles down the road?
Looks like Ryan might end up with Bryce. He is on an official visit to Vandy today.
I believe Bryce/Roger were the primary recruiters when VU was trying to recruit him out of high school.
Valpo still has a chance I'm guessing. It may come down to where does he think he'll get the most playing time and development his last 2yrs of eligibility. At least thats what should be one of the main considerations if he hopes to play at the next level (Pros: Europe).
I don't believe he's taken an official visit to Valpo yet since leaving Providence. It will be a positive sign if we don't hear anything (he doesn't commit yet) and he takes a visit to Valpo with our coaches. I remember reading that he wanted to play closer to home possibly and that playing time and opportunity to get on the court was key.
Look at Vandy's roster only has to SF on it (SR/JR Next season). So that is something to consider and I'm sure Bryce/Roger will try and sell him on that. Fingers crossed he doesn't commit right away and hopefully comes in for a visit with the new coaching staff. He is already familiar with Coach Lottich and Coach Gore.
Quote from: VU2014 on April 09, 2017, 12:37:38 PM
Quote from: valpopal on April 09, 2017, 09:53:04 AM
Quote from: VULB#62 on March 28, 2017, 08:17:20 PM
Checked the 2017 Xfers list and found the following of interest: Matt Ryan (SO) Notre Dame 6-7 SF 3*-4* HS - Iona Prep, New Rochelle, NY. If he is homesick he has a whole bunch of NY and NE D-I schools to go to. OR he might like to stay in Indiana about 30 miles down the road?
Looks like Ryan might end up with Bryce. He is on an official visit to Vandy today.
I believe Bryce/Roger were the primary recruiters when VU was trying to recruit him out of high school.
Valpo still has a chance I'm guessing. It may come down to where does he think he'll get the most playing time and development his last 2yrs of eligibility. At least thats what should be one of the main considerations if he hopes to play at the next level (Pros: Europe).
I don't believe he's taken an official visit to Valpo yet since leaving Providence. It will be a positive sign if we don't hear anything (he doesn't commit yet) and he takes a visit to Valpo with our coaches. I remember reading that he wanted to play closer to home possibly and that playing time and opportunity to get on the court was key.
Look at Vandy's roster only has to SF on it (SR/JR Next season). So that is something to consider and I'm sure Bryce/Roger will try and sell him on that. Fingers crossed he doesn't commit right away and hopefully comes in for a visit with the new coaching staff. He is already familiar with Coach Lottich and Coach Gore.
I think you have your Ryans confused, 2014. Matt Ryan, Notre Dame transfer, is at Vanderbilt for a visit with Bryce. The other Ryan is Ryan Fazekas, a Providence transfer that is a possible Valpo recruit.
Kanter has committed to play at Xavier. I believe his older brother, Enes, went to Ohio St but was not eligible to play. Maybe the family has some kind of Ohio connection?
Cool, makes GB weaker and gives Valpo a better shot at the HL tournament crown.
Quote from: valpo4life on April 11, 2017, 12:52:36 PM
Kanter has committed to play at Xavier. I believe his older brother, Enes, went to Ohio St but was not eligible to play. Maybe the family has some kind of Ohio connection?
Enes attended Kentucky for a season.
Quote from: M on April 11, 2017, 01:27:17 PM
Cool, makes GB weaker and gives Valpo a better shot at the HL tournament crown.
Have we learned nothing from Motor City Badness? It's all about finishing lower in the conference standings.
Quote from: zvillehaze on April 11, 2017, 01:34:37 PM
Quote from: valpo4life on April 11, 2017, 12:52:36 PM
Kanter has committed to play at Xavier. I believe his older brother, Enes, went to Ohio St but was not eligible to play. Maybe the family has some kind of Ohio connection?
Enes attended Kentucky for a season.
Ah that was it. Either way still close in proximity to each other.
Interesting read. A article relevant to all Mid-Major programs. Alec did not get enough praise for staying with Valpo.
https://twitter.com/SethOnHoops/status/852155301331652609
https://www.fanragsports.com/cbb/adapt-die-robert-morris-andy-toole-dealt-college-basketballs-transfer-epidemic/
Adapt or Die: How Robert Morris' Andy Toole dealt with college basketball's transfer epidemic
By: Jon Rothstein
Posted on Apr 12, 2017
Andy Toole had finally broken through.
After four straight years of missing out on the NCAA Tournament, Robert Morris' baby-faced head coach had led his team to a road win over St. Francis (NY) in the 2015 NEC title game.
"That win felt like validation for our program," Toole said.
There was no more talk about missed opportunities after losing in the game to get to the field of 68 in his first two seasons as a head coach and then coming up short after winning the conference regular season title in both 2013 and 2014.
Toole had arrived and his program was now about to play in the most hallowed event in all of college sports — the field of 68.
A four-point victory in the First Four over North Florida would follow, which led to a Round of 64 showdown with top-seeded Duke.
The game was built as David against Goliath, and it rightfully should have been.
No 16 seed has ever beaten a one seed in the history of the NCAA Tournament and that narrative will continue to be painted until history proves otherwise.
The Blue Devils beat the Colonials 85-56 to advance to the Round of 32, but the takeaway from the game for the losers was filled with two things: Toole's potential to be a hot name on the coaching carousel that spring and Marcquise Reed's ability to score the basketball (he had 22 points against the Blue Devils).
***
The dream of every mid-major head coach in college basketball is to get an opportunity to hold a different post at a higher level.
Toole had some interest from certain programs that would have been viewed as lateral moves prior to 2015, but after his first appearance in the NCAA Tournament, he received an offer to be the head coach at Fordham.
For many this would be a no brainer, but for Toole, it was not.
"I was extremely humbled by the interest that Fordham had," Toole said. "But I felt there was a lot more that could be accomplished at Robert Morris. I felt loyalties to certain people at this place, especially our players. It didn't feel like the right thing to do at the time."
Certain people in Toole's camp thought he was crazy not to cash in his ticket while his stock was on the rise and be a head coach in the Atlantic 10, but he wasn't going to leave what he thought was a good situation for a job that was anything except plum.
Fordham hasn't been to the NCAA Tournament since 1992 and as confident as he was in his own abilities, the former point guard who played for current Temple head coach Fran Dunphy at Penn believed in the core he had returning at Robert Morris.
Or so he thought.
***
Marcquise Reed was the NEC Rookie of the Year during the 2014-15 season and averaged 15.1 points during his first season of college basketball. In addition to the 22 points he scored against Duke in the 2015 NCAA Tournament, he also scored 24 earlier that season at North Carolina and 21 at Clemson.
With he and Rodney Pryor returning, Robert Morris was pegged to be heavy favorites to defend its NEC title and return to the field of 68.
Then Reed came into Toole's office and told him he wanted to transfer and play at a higher level.
"Unfortunately, it was probably something that we were trying to guard against for much of the season," Toole said. "You hear rumors and people ask you questions. It was disappointing. You don't want to inhibit somebody's dreams, but you also understand it's going to be harmful for your program. We didn't do anything to try and stop Marcquise from being at the right spot, but we also tried to explain to him that we could be the right spot. If you're good enough anywhere, people will find you. He obviously didn't feel that way."
Reed took his talents to Clemson, where he averaged 10.0 points during this past season. He has two years of eligibility remaining in his college career.
What happened to Robert Morris the year after he left?
The Colonials had their worst season under Toole's watch as a head coach, finishing 10-22 overall and 8-10 in NEC play.
Prior to the 2015-16 season, Robert Morris was a combined 110-65 overall under Toole's watch with a 65-23 mark in regular season conference games.
Did he become a bad coach overnight?
Of course not.
He just lost Reed, who would have been an NEC Player of the Year candidate as a sophomore.
Toole wasn't overly concerned about the state of his program after one down year because he knew he returned a strong nucleus of players headlined by Pryor, his leading scorer.
Or so he thought.
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NCAA rules allow student athletes who complete their undergraduate degrees to transfer immediately without sitting out.
The rule has become a major part of recruiting and is essentially the lifeblood of what many programs focus on at the conclusion of every season.
So it wasn't a surprise to Toole, when Pryor — who averaged 18.0 points during the 2015-16 — told him that he was going to graduate from Robert Morris and transfer to a higher level. He wound up committing to Georgetown and averaging 18.0 points and 5.0 rebounds this past season.
"Going into my senior year I kind of knew that I had a chance to get an extra year of eligibility," Pryor told FanRag Sports. "After the season was over and I found that I got an extra year, I wanted to play on a higher level and showcase my talents. There's no substitute for the ability to play games regularly on national television."
The Colonials had now lost their two leading scorers in back-to-back seasons and all of a sudden a place that was the flagship program in the NEC was merely spinning on its axis.
"I think again it was a situation that we potentially knew was going to develop," Toole said of Pryor's departure. "We all kind of understood that Rodney was probably going to graduate and look to play at the highest level. We don't want to stop people from what they think is best, but the hardest part of the whole thing is finding someone to replace those guys. It's hard to replace guys like Marcquise and Rodney at our level."
How do you build a program when good players who produce are going to try to transfer up a level?
It's made Toole and many others reevaluate the way to build a program at a lower level.
"It's gotten really crazy now," said former Drexel head coach Bruiser Flint, who is now an assistant at Indiana under Archie Miller. "The bigger schools have really gotten into it. There's a supply and there's a demand. If you've got a really good player who's going into his last year and he has an extra year, you've got no shot of keeping him. Hopefully you have an understanding athletic director. Sometimes they don't understand why the kids are doing it, but the kids are leaving because they see they can have a better basketball experience at the higher level."
Flint knows this narrative better than most.
When he was at Drexel in 2014, his best player — Damion Lee — opted to graduate and transfer to Louisville.
With Lee, Drexel would have been a contender in the CAA. Instead, Flint was looking for work two years after his star player's departure.
"The margin for error at that level is so small," Flint added. "One player makes such a big difference."
Like Flint, Toole had a plan in place after seeing a key piece in his program depart and he was ready to implement it.
He lost his two top scorers in back-to-back seasons because Reed and Pryor wanted to go to a higher level, but in his heart he was certain that there was no way that the same thing would happen again.
Or so he thought.
***
Isaiah Still averaged 15.7 points and 4.6 rebounds this past season for Robert Morris.
He was first on the Colonials in scoring and second in rebounding. He made 60 three-point shots and at 6-foot-6, was the type of mid-major talent that could shine if his team ever reached the NCAA Tournament.
Instead, he's following the lead of both Reed and Pryor.
Still told Toole after the season that he's going to transfer in hopes of "finding a bigger platform" to play on.
So if you're keeping count at home, Robert Morris has lost its three top scorers in three consecutive seasons because all three wanted to play at a higher level.
With Still in tow last season, the Colonials were slightly better than the year before, but only finished 14-19 overall and 9-9 mark in league play.
How does Toole rebuild a program that keeps losing its best players? Does he wish he would have left two years ago and accepted the opportunity at Fordham?
These are all things he deals with every day as he tries to get Robert Morris back to the level it was at prior to the spring of 2015.
"There's not one day that goes by that makes me wish that I would have done something differently in terms of my own career," Toole said. "I think what we're trying to understand is that this is the way it is. We have to adapt. We have to continue to try and recruit the best players we can. We have to continue to find ways to upgrade our program. The approach that you're going to have to take is that you're constantly going to be replacing guys if they're really good at our level. As a coach and a staff, you have to be preparing for the fact that scholarships are one-year renewable agreements. You have to be constantly prepare for transfers and a changing roster on an annual basis."
That's a hard thing to swallow for a mid-major head coach in 2017, but it's ultimately the truth.
Ten years ago, no one would have predicted that "transferring up" in college basketball would become a trend, but it has. It's benefited certain programs at the high-major level and it's also depleted programs like Robert Morris.
Toole now moves forward, determined to get this team back to where it was a few years ago, but he knows he may have no control over what may happen if one of his current players becomes the next breakout star in the NEC.
Will that player do what Reed, Pryor and Still did? Will he be the player that ultimately leads the Colonials back to the NCAA Tournament?
These are questions that currently have no answers, but those questions also provide a perplexing dynamic for Toole moving forward.
How do you rebuild a college basketball program when you're constantly losing the best commodity you have on annual basis?
It's real simple — you can't.
Mid major coaches have to create a culture in their programs that players from bigger schools want to come to when they realize "big" doesn't really mean "better". I think Bryce Drew did this while he was at Valpo and we'll see if Lottich can do this while he is at the helm.
The Horizon League loses another one to transfer. The grad transfer rule is really hurting the Horizon League (and other Mid-Major/Low-Major Conf)
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/852228003123916800
Quote from: VUOR63 on April 12, 2017, 01:44:11 PM
Mid major coaches have to create a culture in their programs that players from bigger schools want to come to when they realize "big" doesn't really mean "better". I think Bryce Drew did this while he was at Valpo and we'll see if Lottich can do this while he is at the helm.
VUOR63 has hit on the mid-major response to up-transfers: Recruit disillusioned P-5 players who were at the highest level, found that they were not getting the minutes they were hoping for (or promised by recruiters) and who just want to play lots of BB in a D-I setting. Current cases in point Shane, Joe, and Bakari to just name a couple of recent additions. Further back, Cappo, Bogan, Moussa.
https://twitter.com/TheReal_MG3/status/852239934916247552
Check out Markus' Twitter Banner. Outstanding! :thumbsup:
https://twitter.com/TheReal_MG3
What stands out to me is the athleticism of the incoming guys. Even Jabril said that they are "WAY" more athletic then we were coming in. Instead of guys like Bogan, Boggs, Davidson or Capo (all good players but hardly rim rattlers) think of the guys coming in or who have been here and will be eligible to play. Doubt we have ever had as athletic of a team.
Don't know how good they will be but I do see a shift in recruiting philosophy.
Quote from: VU2014 on April 12, 2017, 01:47:42 PM
The Horizon League loses another one to transfer. The grad transfer rule is really hurting the Horizon League (and other Mid-Major/Low-Major Conf)
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/852228003123916800
Sure, another quality player gone but at the same time the Horizon is adding some quality players via transfer who will be elgible next year. Bakari and Joe to name two. Oakland adds Nunn and already has a few high major transfers on their roster. Green Bay loses Kanter but has a Pepperdine and Bradley transfer on their roster. Detroit loses Hogan but had players on their roster from Colorado and GW. It is simply a revolving door
Quote from: vu72 on April 12, 2017, 04:46:57 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on April 12, 2017, 01:47:42 PM
The Horizon League loses another one to transfer. The grad transfer rule is really hurting the Horizon League (and other Mid-Major/Low-Major Conf)
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/852228003123916800
Sure, another quality player gone but at the same time the Horizon is adding some quality players via transfer who will be elgible next year. Bakari and Joe to name two. Oakland adds Nunn and already has a few high major transfers on their roster. Green Bay loses Kanter but has a Pepperdine and Bradley transfer on their roster. Detroit loses Hogan but had players on their roster from Colorado and GW. It is simply a revolving door
Redshirt transfer and grad-transfers are very different type transferring scenarios, imo.
If they changed the rule to Grad-transfers had to sit out the next season before getting play I'd be ok with the Grad-Transfers more.
VU2014, I couldn't disagree more. If, as you say, graduate transfers should have to sit out, then shouldn't coaches have to redshirt a year before coaching at a new job?
A graduate transfer has fulfilled his obligation to the university and has earned the flexibility to go and spend his final eligibility where he wants. It just so happens we were fortunate to be blessed with a man like Alec Peters who valued Valpo enough to stay. In a world where the NCAA uses athletes to build a revenue-generating platform, it's refreshing to see the graduate transfer rule being utilized liberally by athletes around the country.
As I indicated in a previous post, it's up to the program to establish itself as a destination to either stay or come to. If you can't do that, then you won't achieve viability. We shouldn't take for granted that Valpo is a special place that, even though there's room for improvement, provides athletes a tight-knit family to come to and work on your craft--whatever that may be.
Another Golder tweet. https://twitter.com/TheReal_MG3/status/852356290433081344 With the banner and the other Valpo references, if this kid is a Business Major then he is definitely getting an A in Marketing.
Quote from: VU2014 on April 12, 2017, 05:53:15 PM
Quote from: vu72 on April 12, 2017, 04:46:57 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on April 12, 2017, 01:47:42 PM
The Horizon League loses another one to transfer. The grad transfer rule is really hurting the Horizon League (and other Mid-Major/Low-Major Conf)
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/852228003123916800
Sure, another quality player gone but at the same time the Horizon is adding some quality players via transfer who will be elgible next year. Bakari and Joe to name two. Oakland adds Nunn and already has a few high major transfers on their roster. Green Bay loses Kanter but has a Pepperdine and Bradley transfer on their roster. Detroit loses Hogan but had players on their roster from Colorado and GW. It is simply a revolving door
Redshirt transfer and grad-transfers are very different type transferring scenarios, imo.
If they changed the rule to Grad-transfers had to sit out the next season before getting play I'd be ok with the Grad-Transfers more.
Just realized/remembered that Valpo benefited from the grad-transfer rule when Moussa Gueye came to Valpo after graduating from Alabama.
Quote from: VUOR63 on April 12, 2017, 06:11:40 PM
VU2014, I couldn't disagree more. If, as you say, graduate transfers should have to sit out, then shouldn't coaches have to redshirt a year before coaching at a new job?
A graduate transfer has fulfilled his obligation to the university and has earned the flexibility to go and spend his final eligibility where he wants. It just so happens we were fortunate to be blessed with a man like Alec Peters who valued Valpo enough to stay. In a world where the NCAA uses athletes to build a revenue-generating platform, it's refreshing to see the graduate transfer rule being utilized liberally by athletes around the country.
As I indicated in a previous post, it's up to the program to establish itself as a destination to either stay or come to. If you can't do that, then you won't achieve viability. We shouldn't take for granted that Valpo is a special place that, even though there's room for improvement, provides athletes a tight-knit family to come to and work on your craft--whatever that may be.
I have complained a lot in the past about Student Athletes not really having much to do with being a student in many other programs. I don't particularly like what this rule is doing to good Mid-Major teams, but you have to admit that this is the one rule that actually promotes and rewards good academic performance. I think that our coaches are smart enough to notice when a player is working toward graduating in 3 years (or 4 years for a red shirt) and that this could be a possibility for that player. I think that we can take pride in the fact that our players have the ability to undertake the rigor required to reach their academic goals and have this opportunity. Don't get me wrong, I want our program to succeed at the highest level, but athletics are supposed to be a means to an end and Valpo is doing an excellent job of preparing these students for success in life. If they gave out rankings for teams with players receiving graduate degrees, I think we would be one of the top schools in the country.
Quote from: VU2014 on April 12, 2017, 02:52:39 PM
https://twitter.com/TheReal_MG3/status/852239934916247552
So why not any announcement from Valpo? Are they waiting on another signing to announce both at the same time?? :popcorn:
Quote from: vu72 on April 13, 2017, 08:59:33 AM
Quote from: VU2014 on April 12, 2017, 05:53:15 PM
Quote from: vu72 on April 12, 2017, 04:46:57 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on April 12, 2017, 01:47:42 PM
The Horizon League loses another one to transfer. The grad transfer rule is really hurting the Horizon League (and other Mid-Major/Low-Major Conf)
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/852228003123916800
Sure, another quality player gone but at the same time the Horizon is adding some quality players via transfer who will be elgible next year. Bakari and Joe to name two. Oakland adds Nunn and already has a few high major transfers on their roster. Green Bay loses Kanter but has a Pepperdine and Bradley transfer on their roster. Detroit loses Hogan but had players on their roster from Colorado and GW. It is simply a revolving door
Redshirt transfer and grad-transfers are very different type transferring scenarios, imo.
If they changed the rule to Grad-transfers had to sit out the next season before getting play I'd be ok with the Grad-Transfers more.
Just realized/remembered that Valpo benefited from the grad-transfer rule when Moussa Gueye came to Valpo after graduating from Alabama.
Will Bogan as well.
Was Will Bogan a grad transfer or just regular transfer? Did he play for us 1 or 2 years? I don't remember for sure?
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Quote from: vufan75 on April 13, 2017, 09:40:49 AM
Was Will Bogan a grad transfer or just regular transfer? Did he play for us 1 or 2 years? I don't remember for sure?
He graduated from Ole Miss in 3 years, but played only 2 seasons due to a medical redshirt. So, he was a grad transfer with 2 years of eligibility.
http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/roster/2012-13/5981/will-bogan/#.WO-QfPnythE
Quote from: vu72 on April 13, 2017, 08:59:33 AM
Quote from: VU2014 on April 12, 2017, 05:53:15 PM
Quote from: vu72 on April 12, 2017, 04:46:57 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on April 12, 2017, 01:47:42 PM
The Horizon League loses another one to transfer. The grad transfer rule is really hurting the Horizon League (and other Mid-Major/Low-Major Conf)
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/852228003123916800
Sure, another quality player gone but at the same time the Horizon is adding some quality players via transfer who will be elgible next year. Bakari and Joe to name two. Oakland adds Nunn and already has a few high major transfers on their roster. Green Bay loses Kanter but has a Pepperdine and Bradley transfer on their roster. Detroit loses Hogan but had players on their roster from Colorado and GW. It is simply a revolving door
Redshirt transfer and grad-transfers are very different type transferring scenarios, imo.
If they changed the rule to Grad-transfers had to sit out the next season before getting play I'd be ok with the Grad-Transfers more.
Just realized/remembered that Valpo benefited from the grad-transfer rule when Moussa Gueye came to Valpo after graduating from Alabama.
"benefited"
Quote from: vu72 on April 13, 2017, 09:21:45 AM
Quote from: VU2014 on April 12, 2017, 02:52:39 PM
https://twitter.com/TheReal_MG3/status/852239934916247552
So why not any announcement from Valpo? Are they waiting on another signing to announce both at the same time?? :popcorn:
Not an official release but the MBB Twitter site did retweet Markus' tweet (below). I am assuming that an official announcement will be released once the entire class is finalized rather than one at a time.
[tweet]852239934916247552[/tweet]
Golder's signing was mentioned in FW's morning paper today. The Journal Gazette writer got the news from someplace. I figured it came from a VU release.
Quote from: valpo64 on April 13, 2017, 12:24:52 PM
Golder's signing was mentioned in FW's morning paper today. The Journal Gazette writer got the news from someplace. I figured it came from a VU release.
:o Would have bet the article was not by Tom Davis.... and it wasn't.
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/852733737385119744
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/852733827801694208
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/852733916146356224
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/852739567534841860
Marcus' stats:
http://www.nwacsports.org/basketball/stat.php?stat=individualStats&team=&sport=mbasketball&season=2016&playerid=38860
Very good stat line, especially @27 min.
Golder Signs NLI To Join Valpo Men's Basketball Program
Golder Signs NLI To Join Valpo Men's Basketball Program
Thursday, April 13, 2017
Valparaiso University men's basketball head coach Matt Lottich announced today that Markus Golder, a 6'6" swingman out of North Idaho College, has signed a National Letter of Intent and will join the Crusader men's basketball program for the 2017-18 season. Golder will be a sophomore for the Crusaders next season and has three seasons of eligibility remaining.
"We are extremely excited to have Markus join the Valparaiso University community," said Lottich. "He will be a welcomed addition to the academic, social and athletic scene at Valpo. On the court, Markus brings a unique athletic ability combined with a nice outside shooting touch. What we noticed very quickly with Markus is that he has a strong desire to continue to improve and is not afraid to work hard. We can't wait to get Markus on campus and start coaching him. The Valpo basketball faithful will enjoy watching Markus compete."
As a redshirt freshman last season for the Cardinals, Golder led the team as he averaged 18.9 points per game on 55% shooting from the floor. Golder also hit at a 39% clip from 3-point range and 81% from the foul line, and registered 6.6 rebounds per game as well. He helped lead the way as North Idaho finished the season with a 25-5 record, including a 13-3 mark in Northwest Athletic Conference play, and earned the NWAC East Region title.
Golder redshirted his first year at NIC in 2015-16 after joining the Cardinals program from Clackamas [Ore.] H.S. He earned First Team All-State and All-League accolades as a senior and led the Cavaliers to back-to-back appearances in the state playoffs.
Golder is the fifth newcomer set to join the Crusaders on the court next season. Local prep stars Mileek McMillan (Merrillville) and Parker Hazen (Columbia City) signed their respective NLIs during the early signing period in November and will join the program as freshmen in 2017-18. Transfers Joe Burton (Oklahoma State) and Bakari Evelyn (Nebraska) will be eligible for the first time at Valpo next year after sitting out this season due to NCAA transfer regulations.
Nigel Williams-Goss, the guard at Gonzaga, is from Happy Valley, OR (which feeds into Clackamas HS). I wonder if Golder and Williams-Goss ever crossed paths in youth leagues before Williams-Goss went down to Findlay Prep.
Vandy, Valpo and Fordham all in play for Ryan Fazekas.
Vandy has 2 open scholarships for next year (still 1 outstanding offer for a 2017 recruit)
Fordham has 4 open scholarships for next year and ZERO signed or committed players from the class of 2017 (BRUTAL). (still 7 outstanding offer for a 2017 recruit)
https://twitter.com/Valpo_Hoops/status/852740837901348864
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/852752832587382784
I agree it is a revolving door at this point. GB will have two 4-star transfers coming in for next year, but we lose our best post guy. Its a bit of a wash, but other schools like Detroit and Cleveland State probably won't be so fortunate. Its a shame, I was really looking forward to watching most of the league come back next year but it really seems like every single team outside of Oakland will have lost their best player.
Looks like we missed out on Shaq Calhoun.
https://mobile.twitter.com/shaqcalhounnn (https://mobile.twitter.com/shaqcalhounnn)
His twitter picture shows Tennessee Tech bball court and he makes comments sounding like a decision.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on April 16, 2017, 07:19:31 PM
Looks like we missed out on Shaq Calhoun.
https://mobile.twitter.com/shaqcalhounnn (https://mobile.twitter.com/shaqcalhounnn)
His twitter picture shows Tennessee Tech bball court and he makes comments sounding like a decision.
WE missed out, or HE missed out?
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on April 16, 2017, 07:19:31 PM
Looks like we missed out on Shaq middle
https://mobile.twitter.com/shaqcalhounnn (https://mobile.twitter.com/shaqcalhounnn)
His twitter picture shows Tennessee Tech bball court and he makes comments sounding like a decision.
I can see why he might go in that direction. I went to their athletic site. Impressive facilities for BB. The campus is large and athletics have a high profile (again, based on the facilities and an aerial view on google maps). He had choices to make: bigger vs. smaller, facilities vs. nationally growing brand, middle of the OVC vs. HL leader. From those perspectives I wish him all the best, because, as he tweeted, it is about comfort.
BTW, don't take this as sour grapes, but if you look at the satellite view, TTU has more parking lots than grass on their main campus. Actually, I would go so far as to say there is more asphalt on that campus than any HL campus, but I digress. I remember when my son was checking out campuses and soccer programs, he always came back to "the grass factor" and I knew exactly what he meant. That, in part, drew me to Valpo.
We wouldn't have much playing time available for him, so it makes sense
Quote from: valpotx on April 16, 2017, 08:30:22 PM
We wouldn't have much playing time available for him, so it makes sense
I have to think this is about playing time. If playing time was the most important thing for him then he probably made the best decision for himself. He was to be competing for minutes between. Tevonn, Burton, Bakari, Golder Micah & Max. That is some tough competition. I could see why the coaching staff wanted a 1yr depth wing player. Also don't discount that losing maybe one of Coach Warner or Coach Manuel hurt Valpo's chances because they may have been the primary recruiter. I believe one of Coach Warner's job title was recruiting coordinator.
Not really concerned with not landing him. It was going to be a nice depth move but he was only going to take up a scholarship for one season which was nice because I know the coaching staff is recruiting a group of HS wing players for the 2018 class. They most likely don't want to lose a scholarship and they also want open spots in the guard position to be able to give freshman that year some playing time.
If I were Shaq Calhoun I'd be more concerned with getting most out of my education in that last year of eligibility then looking where he can get the most playing time. It really depends on priorities. If he truly thinks he can play pro ball overseas then go play at Tennessee Tech I guess. This is where young men need to surround themselves with High School Coaches or mentors that can advise them on whats really best for his future. Wish him the best of luck.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on April 16, 2017, 07:19:31 PMLooks like we missed out on Shaq Calhoun. https://mobile.twitter.com/shaqcalhounnn (https://mobile.twitter.com/shaqcalhounnn) His twitter picture shows Tennessee Tech bball court and he makes comments sounding like a decision.
From what video I saw of him, he was not very impressive. My personal opinion is I'd rather get a Power Forward.
https://twitter.com/Ryan_fazekas/status/854105323954515968
https://twitter.com/Valpo_Hoops/status/854165846943576066
https://twitter.com/paulh707/status/854321136397627393
Figured I would put all the Horizon league transfers into one post to make it easy for everyone to see a summary of what's happened so far:
Players Leaving:
Mark Alstork (WSU)
Jibri Blount (CSU)
Noah Dean (YSU)
Rob Edwards (CSU)
Aaron Foster-Smith (Detroit)
Jaleel Hogan (Detroit)
Kareem Kanter (GB) -----> Xavier
Michael Kolawole (UIC)
Andy Lucien (CSU)
Brandon Maxwell (NKU)
John Middleton (VALPO) -----> Palm Beach State College
Derek Rongstad (Milwaukee) -----> UW-Whitewater
KJ Santos (UIC)
Blake Spellman (NKU) -----> Central Missouri
Hassan Thomas (UIC)
Lexus Williams (VALPO)
Players coming in:
Sandy Cohen III (GB) <----- Marquette
Cole Gentry (WSU) <----- South Dakota St
Dontel Highsmith (CSU) <----- Northern Illinois
Roschon Prince (Detroit) <----- Long Beach St
Cody Schwartz (GB) <----- San Jose St
Got all of this from Verbal Commits.
Thanks for the updated compilation. A quick sort and comparison indicate the following net results per team (so far):
CSU - down 2
Detroit - down 1
UWGB - up 1
UWM - down 1
NKU - down 2
UIC - down 3
VU - down 2
WSU - even
YSU down 1
Can't comment on the quality of all of those departing (although Alstork and Kanter are certainly difference makers). Yes, we lose Lexus, but Middleton never suited up, so it's really only a -1 for us. Obviously, UIC took the biggest transfer hit, but they still have their nucleus and I assume some recruits coming in.
Apparently Bryce is targeting: Mark Donnal, Matt Ryan, Ryan Fazekas. All potential transfers that we've at least mentioned or speculated as potential Valpo targets on this board. Ironic I guess.
Vandy still has 4 scholarships available.
https://twitter.com/VU365/status/852946786343944192
https://twitter.com/CoachDavidSisk/status/853272430395224065
Yeah really looking forward to a year or two from now when we're not after the same players as Bryce. Wish him well but it would be really frustrating to see players that began their relationship with him when he was at Valpo end up at Vandy.
If I'm a Vandy fan, I find it troubling that my coach is targeting the same players as a team in the Horizon league.
Quote from: VUOR63 on April 18, 2017, 11:21:59 AM
If I'm a Vandy fan, I find it troubling that my coach is targeting the same players as a team in the Horizon league.
Ryan Fazekas, after a very fast start, had some health issues his Freshman year that seemed to affect his time on the court and perhaps his confidence even going into his sophomore year. I wouldn't really have an issue as a Vandy fan with Bryce bringing him into the program especially since he will get an additional year to mature.
Quotefrom Friar Basketball "Fazekas to Transfer and the Class of '15"
Early in his freshman season it looked as though Fazekas would be a solid four year player for the Friars. He scored 17 points on 5-8 shooting from 3 in just his third game at PC, and he was a starter in his first game (a win over Illinois in which he played 36 minutes and scored 10 points).
Providence probably doesn't come back against Arizona in November 2015 without Fazekas' momentum-shifting 3 pointer late in the second half, and a few games later he played 35 minutes in a buzzer beating win at Rhode Island.
A bout with mononucleosis derailed the rest of Fazekas' freshman season. He missed nearly a month and never seemed to find his form.
Fazekas started his sophomore season shooting the ball well, making nine 3-pointers in PC's first four games, including 3-6 in an opening night win against Vermont. He eventually fell behind more versatile players in Alpha Diallo and Isaiah Jackson, making just two two field goals from Feb. 1 until the end of the season.
Just wondering about Fazekas and a fit at Vandy purely from a culture/comfort standpoint.
Here's why: He Graduated from Marquette Catholic with somewhere around 200 students. He then went to PC in Providence, and although it is D-I and a Big East member, it has a small campus set in a neighborhood of single family homes and some triple deckers, and a TOTAL enrollment of 4735.
Since announcing his transfer, he has visited Valpo and he has also visited Fordham. Fordham is a very urban school in the Bronx, NY with a 15,000 enrollment. They play MBB in the A-10 but in Rose Hill Gym (built in 1925 with only 3,200 capacity). His final visit is Vandy with a total enrollment of over 12,000 on a 330-acre campus just outside the main business district of Nashville. However, once you get on each of the three campuses, there is no doubt that each is beautiful in its own right. But to me, both Fordham and Vandy depart from his earlier pattern of choices.
This not saying that he isn't eager for change, but we are still talking going a long way from Michigan City. Vandy is 464 miles and to fly out of South Bend takes 3:10. Fordham is 745 miles and is a 2:10 flight from South Bend to probably Laguardia, but then it is at least another hour to campus in NYC traffic. (Providence was 922 miles and a 3:55 flight).
THEN THERE IS THE QUESTION OF HIS IMPACT: Where would his contribution have more impact? Would he be a major player, once eligible, at Valpo, vs. a role player at Vandy? Fordham's record is a losing one; could he make a bigger impact there?
Fazekas is actually from Chesterton. He was part of a class with Chris Palombizio and Matt Holba that dominated at the middle school level. But instead of staying together at Chesterton, Fazekas went to MCM and Holba moved to Guerin Catholic because his dad changed jobs or was transferred. Very good article in the Times a couple months ago by Jim Peters that spelled it all out.
I think Fazekas would make a huge impact at VU. The question is, does he really want to "come home" for college? It's the question that a lot of Valpo High kids have to contemplate. Most local kids want to get the heck out of town. But since he's been gone for two years, maybe he's gotten that out of his system and sees the benefits of Valpo and possibly being a star close to home.
Thought this is worth sharing:
Wish they'd create a committee to address transfer poaching...
https://twitter.com/WongSportsLaw/status/854386639929475073
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaa-creates-division-transfer-working-group-review-transfer-rules-203900929.html?platform=hootsuite
NCAA creates Division I Transfer Working Group to review transfer rules
By: Matt Fortuna
Date: Apr 17, 2017, 3:39 PM
In light of an increasing number of student-athletes switching schools in recent years, a new NCAA group has been formed to study Division I transfer rules and consider improvements.
South Dakota State athletic director Justin Sell will chair the Division I Transfer Working Group, which the NCAA says will focus on supporting academic success of students as its primary goal. Jane Miller, Virginia's faculty athletics representative, will be the vice chair.
From the release:
"Transfer issues can be very complex. This group is comprised of experienced leaders who will examine the issue with the best interest of student-athletes in mind," Sell said. "We look forward to collaborating on this issue with the more than 50 presidents and chancellors who serve on both the DI Board of Directors and the Presidential Forum, who will offer their top-level perspective."
The 19-person group includes familiar names such as Mid-American Conference commissioner Jon Steinbrecher, Iowa AD Gary Barta, Ole Miss AD Ross Bjork, Colorado AD Rick George and USF AD Mark Harlan.
Boise State's Bryan Harsin and St. Joseph's Phil Martelli are the only head football and men's basketball coaches in the group. Coastal Carolina defensive back Nicholas Clark and Western Illinois basketball guard Garret Covington are the only student-athletes in the group.
This is third group formed since 2012 to examine transfers, and the latest group will, according to the release, "aim for a uniform experience for all student-athletes, unless data justify a different standard for certain groups."
Legislative recommendations are expected to be finalized before the June 2018 Council meeting.
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/854437907565862914
Quote from: FWalum on April 18, 2017, 11:56:42 AM
Ryan Fazekas, after a very fast start, had some health issues his Freshman year that seemed to affect his time on the court and perhaps his confidence even going into his sophomore year. I wouldn't really have an issue as a Vandy fan with Bryce bringing him into the program especially since he will get an additional year to mature.
Quotefrom Friar Basketball "Fazekas to Transfer and the Class of '15"
Early in his freshman season it looked as though Fazekas would be a solid four year player for the Friars. He scored 17 points on 5-8 shooting from 3 in just his third game at PC, and he was a starter in his first game (a win over Illinois in which he played 36 minutes and scored 10 points).
Providence probably doesn't come back against Arizona in November 2015 without Fazekas' momentum-shifting 3 pointer late in the second half, and a few games later he played 35 minutes in a buzzer-beating win at Rhode Island.
A bout with mononucleosis derailed the rest of Fazekas' freshman season. He missed nearly a month and never seemed to find his form.
Fazekas started his sophomore season shooting the ball well, making nine 3-pointers in PC's first four games, including 3-6 in an opening night win against Vermont. He eventually fell behind more versatile players in Alpha Diallo and Isaiah Jackson, making just two two field goals from Feb. 1 until the end of the season.
He's 6-8, 205 per 247Sports. Sounds like he's a good outside shooter (those familiar with him can comment a lot better), but the "falling behind more versatile players" kinda stumps me. Is he one dimensional? just a streak shooter? From his introduction to college level basketball as a freshman, it sounded like he was holding his own and had some key contributions against some tough teams. Wonder what happened?
Quote from: crusader05 on April 18, 2017, 03:54:52 PM
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/854437907565862914
Aha! He saw the role player writing on the wall at Vandy.
Fordham: (40-54 Overall and 19-35 A-10 over the last 3 years with a slight slip backward this past season).
2016-2017
Overall Pct. Conf Pct. Streak Home Away Neutral
13 - 19 .406 7 - 11 .389 L4 8 - 9 5 - 8 0 - 2
2015-16
Overall Pct. Conf Pct. Streak Home Away Neutral
17 - 14 .548 8 - 10 .444 L2 14 - 5 3 - 7 0 - 2
2014-2015
Overall Pct. Conf Pct. Streak Home Away Neutral
10 - 21 .323 4 - 14 .222 L1 8 - 8 1 - 11 1 - 2
Quote from: VULB#62 on April 18, 2017, 01:36:51 PMWould he be a major player, once eligible, at Valpo, vs. a role player at Vandy? Fordham's record is a losing one; could he make a bigger impact there?
Answer to question #1. Probably Answer to question #2. Certainly
Fazekas is somebody we want and somebody worth waiting on for a redshirt season. If he commits then I wouldn't want another red shirt transfer unless he would stand out as a "can't say no" option. Looks to me that we still could use another experienced, versatile, immediately eligible player to fill out our 17-18 active roster. Such a player might yield 2 or 3 extra wins vs another inexperienced freshman.
As for Calhoun he would have met some of our 17-18 needs, but I suspect we can do just as well or better. Time for Matt to return to bloodhound mode and get his nose back to the ground.
Quote from: crusader05 on April 18, 2017, 03:54:52 PM
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/854437907565862914
Well, at least if we lose out to Fordham we can't blame it on facilities! :o
Spot on 72.
Quote from: VU2014 on April 18, 2017, 02:42:23 PMIn light of an increasing number of student-athletes switching schools in recent years, a new NCAA group has been formed to study Division I transfer rules and consider improvements.
South Dakota State athletic director Justin Sell will chair the Division I Transfer Working Group, which the NCAA says will focus on supporting academic success of students as its primary goal.
You have to love their choice of words. "Will focus on supporting academic success of students as its primary goal." I mean when you read that you think the NCAA is so noble and enlightened.
Quote from: VU2014 on April 18, 2017, 02:42:23 PM"Transfer issues can be very complex. This group is comprised of experienced leaders who will examine the issue with the best interest of student-athletes in mind," Sell said.
Of course they will "examine the issue with the best interest of student-athletes in mind". I mean its ALL about the student athlete. What else is there?
Back to reality. How about some mechanism for compensating any injured parties particularly for graduate transfers. This could and should be doable if only the NCAA would drop the pretext that it is all about the student athlete.
NCAA Div 1 mens basketball is all about consolidating power to the already powerful. As they take a fresh look at these issues how come I am feeling the need to watch my backside?
SO..................... What if they were to just eliminate the graduate transfer possibility? Play 4 years as an undergraduate OR graduate in 3 and earn a friggin living in the real world. Basic choice. Simple. And if you do graduate in 3, and are serious about a career, go ahead and go to graduate school on the rest of your scholarship but don't play basketball - earn a friggin living in the real world.
Quote from: VULB#62 on April 18, 2017, 09:37:52 PM
SO..................... What if they were to just eliminate the graduate transfer possibility? Play 4 years as an undergraduate OR graduate in 3 and earn a friggin living in the real world. Basic choice. Simple. And if you do graduate in 3, and are serious about a career, go ahead and go to graduate school on the rest of your scholarship but don't play basketball - earn a friggin living in the real world.
Scholarship players have an amazing opportunity that regular students could only dream of. In the case of Vapo they're privileged to attend a high-profile, private university free of charge. They stay on campus in the summer attending classes and working on their basketball skills, while their peers are home working summer jobs. They're provided tutors and study tables to help stay on the straight and narrow. They can fairly easily graduate in 3 years - and then get the first year of grad school completely paid for. When it's all over they walk out the door with a degree (or 2) in hand and no student debt to contend with for the next 10 years (longer if it gets deferred somewhere along the way).
Isn't that a big enough benefit in and of itself, without having to add some basketball-related, transfer gimmick to it?
Quote from: VU2014 on April 18, 2017, 02:42:23 PM
Thought this is worth sharing:
Wish they'd create a committee to address transfer poaching...
https://twitter.com/WongSportsLaw/status/854386639929475073
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaa-creates-division-transfer-working-group-review-transfer-rules-203900929.html?platform=hootsuite
NCAA creates Division I Transfer Working Group to review transfer rules
By: Matt Fortuna
Date: Apr 17, 2017, 3:39 PM
In light of an increasing number of student-athletes switching schools in recent years, a new NCAA group has been formed to study Division I transfer rules and consider improvements.
South Dakota State athletic director Justin Sell will chair the Division I Transfer Working Group, which the NCAA says will focus on supporting academic success of students as its primary goal. Jane Miller, Virginia's faculty athletics representative, will be the vice chair.
From the release:
"Transfer issues can be very complex. This group is comprised of experienced leaders who will examine the issue with the best interest of student-athletes in mind," Sell said. "We look forward to collaborating on this issue with the more than 50 presidents and chancellors who serve on both the DI Board of Directors and the Presidential Forum, who will offer their top-level perspective."
The 19-person group includes familiar names such as Mid-American Conference commissioner Jon Steinbrecher, Iowa AD Gary Barta, Ole Miss AD Ross Bjork, Colorado AD Rick George and USF AD Mark Harlan.
Boise State's Bryan Harsin and St. Joseph's Phil Martelli are the only head football and men's basketball coaches in the group. Coastal Carolina defensive back Nicholas Clark and Western Illinois basketball guard Garret Covington are the only student-athletes in the group.
This is third group formed since 2012 to examine transfers, and the latest group will, according to the release, "aim for a uniform experience for all student-athletes, unless data justify a different standard for certain groups."
Legislative recommendations are expected to be finalized before the June 2018 Council meeting.
Does anyone really believe that the NCAA which punished Jubril for his infractions with over a 1/2 year of ineligibility but let the North Carolina team that basically faked their education and win a national MBB title will give enough power to this committee to make real changes?
I just can't believe it.
Quote from: wh on April 19, 2017, 04:10:53 AM
Quote from: VULB#62 on April 18, 2017, 09:37:52 PM
SO..................... What if they were to just eliminate the graduate transfer possibility? Play 4 years as an undergraduate OR graduate in 3 and earn a friggin living in the real world. Basic choice. Simple. And if you do graduate in 3, and are serious about a career, go ahead and go to graduate school on the rest of your scholarship but don't play basketball - earn a friggin living in the real world.
Scholarship players have an amazing opportunity that regular students could only dream of. In the case of Vapo they're privileged to attend a high-profile, private university free of charge. They stay on campus in the summer attending classes and working on their basketball skills, while their peers are home working summer jobs. They're provided tutors and study tables to help stay on the straight and narrow. They can fairly easily graduate in 3 years - and then get the first year of grad school completely paid for. When it's all over they walk out the door with a degree (or 2) in hand and no student debt to contend with for the next 10 years (longer if it gets deferred somewhere along the way).
Isn't that a big enough benefit in and of itself, without having to add some basketball-related, transfer gimmick to it?
I'm with both comments. Another way to handle the player's desire to try "the big time" is to say that after you graduate, and still have eligibility, you can play immediately however the benefiting school cannot provide you with a scholarship. You have received the benefits as described by wh. That was the deal you cut with the school you chose. If you decide to go the graduate transfer route your finances are on you and your family. Graduate schools can get pretty expensive!!
And how many of these post-grad BB players ever really get that masters anyway? If they carry the same load in season as when they were under grads they'd be several credits short -- unless they actually hang around after the season and complete all of their course work. Then you have Vashil who hung around for TWO :thumbsup:
Athletes who would have had 80%+ of their school paid for without athletics (academic money) should have more freedom of movement. They were obviously students 1st and didn't need basketball to earn a college degree at a reasonable price. The University would have invested in them without basketball.
Students who were not going to get much academic aid who are on scholarship should have less freedom of movement. The University has invested a lot of money in them as a basketball player.
I didn't think about this argument for very long, so I am sure there are holes in the argument, but you get the idea.
Quote from: VU2014 on April 17, 2017, 09:44:45 PM
https://twitter.com/Ryan_fazekas/status/854105323954515968
https://twitter.com/Valpo_Hoops/status/854165846943576066
https://twitter.com/paulh707/status/854321136397627393
It's interesting when a student athlete refers to VU as Valpo University he is making sure he distinguishes Valpo High from Valpo U because he's had many years competing against Valpo High and that it was a big rivalry. He doesn't want his friends from high school thinking he means Valpo High.
Well he did visit two VUs....probably wanted to distinguish which VU he was talking about.
QuoteIt's interesting when a student athlete refers to VU as Valpo University he is making sure he distinguishes Valpo High from Valpo U because he's had many years competing against Valpo High and that it was a big rivalry. He doesn't want his friends from high school thinking he means Valpo High
Oh, I've noticed this for years. Friends from Merrillville, Portage, etc. will always say they were rooting "for Valpo U." so there's no misconstruing that they would ever root for the green and white team over on Campbell St. (VHS is loathed by other Duneland Conference schools/grads, in my experience).
Quote from: M on April 19, 2017, 09:37:03 AM
Well he did visit two VUs....probably wanted to distinguish which VU he was talking about.
Valparaiso University and Vanderbilt University. Only Ryan knows the city and high school well as "Valpo."
Fazekas never played against Valpo High, being at Marquette.
Some schools don't take too kindly to MCM's "methods" of obtaining "student-athletes." So they refuse to play them.
But sure, he played against Valpo teams prior to high school.
I wouldn't sweat it guys. Tweets are limited to only a 140 characters so it pretty common to see abbreviations in tweets.
I almost never see reporters tweet out Valparaiso. It's 95% of the time just 'Valpo'.
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Valpo or fordham?
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/856222409556406273
https://twitter.com/Ryan_fazekas/status/856220614041972736
Valpo!!!!!!
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/856224537226207232
If we are still looking for a one and done, we might be able to steal one from the MVC before we join:
http://verbalcommits.com/players/mikyle-mcintosh
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/66427/mikyle-mcintosh
Quote from: covufan on April 24, 2017, 06:47:11 PM
If we are still looking for a one and done, we might be able to steal one from the MVC before we join:
http://verbalcommits.com/players/mikyle-mcintosh
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/66427/mikyle-mcintosh
I don't really think Mcintosh would consider Valpo or at least it would be extremely awkward if Valpo were to leave for the MVC (IL St is in the MVC).
Its also been widely speculated that he wants to go to a P6 team. I just can't see him leaving for the HL.
If by chance he did transfer to Valpo and we left for the MVC, then that would be a hell of a way to jump start the rivalry by landing their best player who is going to be a grad transfer lol. But still I think its unlikely.
Quote from: VU2014 on April 24, 2017, 07:42:48 PM
Quote from: covufan on April 24, 2017, 06:47:11 PM
If we are still looking for a one and done, we might be able to steal one from the MVC before we join:
http://verbalcommits.com/players/mikyle-mcintosh
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/66427/mikyle-mcintosh
I don't really think Mcintosh would consider Valpo or at least it would be extremely awkward if Valpo were to leave for the MVC (IL St is in the MVC).
Its also been widely speculated that he wants to go to a P6 team. I just can't see him leaving for the HL.
If by chance he did transfer to Valpo and we left for the MVC, then that would be a hell of a way to jump start the rivalry by landing their best player who is going to be a grad transfer lol. But still I think its unlikely.
When AP was going through the recruiting process, he narrowed a pot full of offers down to 2 finalists - Valpo and Illinois State. People on their board were incensed when he chose Valpo - inferior program, inferior league, high school gym, the usual stuff. I can only imagine the reaction if we stole their best player.
Quote from: VU2014 on April 24, 2017, 07:42:48 PM
Quote from: covufan on April 24, 2017, 06:47:11 PM
If we are still looking for a one and done, we might be able to steal one from the MVC before we join:
http://verbalcommits.com/players/mikyle-mcintosh
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/66427/mikyle-mcintosh
I don't really think Mcintosh would consider Valpo or at least it would be extremely awkward if Valpo were to leave for the MVC (IL St is in the MVC).
Its also been widely speculated that he wants to go to a P6 team. I just can't see him leaving for the HL.
If by chance he did transfer to Valpo and we left for the MVC, then that would be a hell of a way to jump start the rivalry by landing their best player who is going to be a grad transfer lol. But still I think its unlikely.
You underestimate the Lottich power of recruiting! Sexiest mid-major head coach in the NCAA. ;)
One interesting note. We were one of the two schools Australian Transfer Tom Wilson from SMU was considering. He eventually chose Boise State because they had a scholarship available for him during the Spring Semester.
He will not be playing for Boise State, because he decided to go Pro in Australia instead.
https://twitter.com/FoxBasketball/status/826947003548471298
https://twitter.com/MichaelLKatz/status/826978442591629313
https://twitter.com/jbizzle_3/status/850090295693684736
Mark Donnal is transferring to Clemson
Quote from: valpo4life on April 28, 2017, 09:28:53 AM
Mark Donnal is transferring to Clemson
I really like that the coaching staff is being picky with that last scholarship. I just don't want them to settle and it sounds like they not going to.
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/857289032467963906
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/857289295215947777
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/857289362387718148
Sure sounds good when our coach says "we're being picky"! Not too many mid-majors are in that position.
Quote from: VU2014 on March 29, 2017, 06:43:20 PM
One time Valpo commit Zion Morgan (FR) will be transferring from UNLV
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Interesting twist: Morgan has announced he will be going to Junior College:
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I guess we dodged the Zion Morgan bullet.
Mark Donnal, a 6'9 graduate transfer from Michigan decided on Clemson. He might take Skara's minutes next year.
Quote from: oklahomamick on May 02, 2017, 09:32:31 PM
I guess we dodged the Morgan Zion bullet.
Mark Donnal, a 6'9 graduate transfer from Michigan decided on Clemson. He might take Skara's minutes next year.
But Don Bosco "prep" said it was the best thing for David's career to go to Clemson... I still won't get over how those dirtbags treated David like a cattle. I hope David has a great career at Clemson and goes Pro but I wish he never got involved with those people. Still doesn't sit right with me.
GB just lost a key player to transfer. According to an Oren tweet, Trevor Anderson is going to Wisconsin. The HL seems to be THE place for P5 schools to do off season shopping.
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On the 10PM GB News last night this was one of the lead stories. According to them, Anderson is going to UW as a WALK-ON! Hard to believe that. He was, I believe, Mr. Wisconsin Basketball.
Here's Anderson's Tweet that is titled Leap Of Faith. That could mean the walk-on status is real.
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Hi--SIU fan. I know you lost Peter, Hammink and Adekoya. I'd like to see who you guys think will start for the Crusaders--will you use a lot of red-shirted players?
dawgs around here are Butler fans. I'd go with an Egyptian or Saluki theme. Pyramid Saluki or some such.
Welcome aboard and may Giant City be with you!
The starting line-up is a huge guess as it will be for teams with a big turnover. One guess is that the transfers from the B6 conferences will start along with the center/power forward from Germany. The other two will be very interchangeable with a great deal of bench depth.
Quote from: underdawg on May 10, 2017, 07:03:51 PM
Hi--SIU fan. I know you lost Peter, Hammink and Adekoya. I'd like to see who you guys think will start for the Crusaders--will you use a lot of red-shirted players?
Understand that Adekoya was lost to us after 10 games. He did not play is our win over Missouri State, nor the rest of the season. As a result our freshman got a bunch of unexpected experience, particularly our to 7 footers.
We will start two transfers who sat out last year. 4 star Joe Burton from Oklahoma State and 3 star Bakari Evelyn, from Nebraska, at the point. We also will start Tevonn Walker who sign for the draft and has returned. He was second team all conference last year. One of the 7' guys will start at the 5 and the last starter will most likely either be a JC transfer of a freshman.
Obviously we will have a bunch of new guys and only two seniors so it could be messy to start. Nonetheless, talent and athletically, our team is loaded. How they mess remains to be seen.
Quote from: underdawg on May 10, 2017, 07:03:51 PM
Hi--SIU fan. I know you lost Peter, Hammink and Adekoya. I'd like to see who you guys think will start for the Crusaders--will you use a lot of red-shirted players?
Valpo hardly ever uses a non-injury redshirt. I'm not sure about starting lineups (Lottich likes to bring higher minute guys off bench), but this is my prediction in terms of minutes:
PG Bakari Evelyn - transfer from Nebraska. Don't know much about him, but he's probably the defacto PG due to the lack of talent at that position.
SF Joe Burton - transfer from Oklahoma State, great shooter, but also super athletic. He'll likely log the most minutes on the team.
SF/G Tevonn Walker - Valpo's best player. Super athletic, and great defender, but struggles with his shooting. Can be streaky and shuts down
SF / G Markus Golder - So many dunks. He's really athletic and was a great JUCO player. Not sure what we're getting beyond that.
C Jaume Sorrola - he slowed down at end of year, but he was Valpo's best big man.
Then you'll probably see these guys get some big minutes:
SF Parker Hazen - highest rated freshman, but had a pretty poor senior season in high school. From what I've seen he's athletic, but not sure he can score at will.
PG Max Joseph - only because he's the only other PG. He's the reason Valpo was in the NIT two year ago instead of the tournament... Well, not necessarily his fault because Bryce left the team with only one PG, but Max should really be a bench warmer due to his defensive liability.
And the rest:
C Derrik Smits - He'll get some minutes at the beginning of the year, before the coaches give up on him and realize the kid still has no motor and no interest in boxing out.
PF Mileek McMillan - He'll get some burn at the small ball center position. I think he'll steal Smits minutes by end of year.
PF Marten Linssen - Das Hammer! I said in another thread he was the most athletic fat-guy I've ever seen. He'll find his way into the lineup if Valpo struggles to rebound.
F John Kiser - walk on last year. Not much talent, but plays with heart and attitude. I wouldn't expect many minutes unless it's out of necessity.
G Micah Bradford - had the worst freshman season for a Valpo player with regular minutes in at least ten years. He's too thin, and he can't shoot. I think you'll see him at the end of the bench with the amount of athletic guards Valpo has.
Did I miss anyone? I think you can expect a really athletic team that plays great defense, but will struggle to score. Lottich played with a much faster pace than Bryce ever did to start the year, but once Jubril went out, that became impractical with Smits and Sorrola. The success of the team will ride on a bunch of transfers and some freshman, or some sophomores taking a gigantic leap, so that's probably not a good sign, but the MVC is full of a bunch of .500 teams that are hoping their own players develop a good deal to turn their programs around.
Quote from: a3uge on May 10, 2017, 08:16:08 PM
Quote from: underdawg on May 10, 2017, 07:03:51 PM
Hi--SIU fan. I know you lost Peter, Hammink and Adekoya. I'd like to see who you guys think will start for the Crusaders--will you use a lot of red-shirted players?
Valpo hardly ever uses a non-injury redshirt. I'm not sure about starting lineups (Lottich likes to bring higher minute guys off bench), but this is my prediction in terms of minutes:
PG Bakari Evelyn - transfer from Nebraska. Don't know much about him, but he's probably the defacto PG due to the lack of talent at that position.
SF Joe Burton - transfer from Oklahoma State, great shooter, but also super athletic. He'll likely log the most minutes on the team.
SF/G Tevonn Walker - Valpo's best player. Super athletic, and great defender, but struggles with his shooting. Can be streaky and shuts down
SF / G Markus Golder - So many dunks. He's really athletic and was a great JUCO player. Not sure what we're getting beyond that.
C Jaume Sorrola - he slowed down at end of year, but he was Valpo's best big man.
Then you'll probably see these guys get some big minutes:
SF Parker Hazen - highest rated freshman, but had a pretty poor senior season in high school. From what I've seen he's athletic, but not sure he can score at will.
PG Max Joseph - only because he's the only other PG. He's the reason Valpo was in the NIT two year ago instead of the tournament... Well, not necessarily his fault because Bryce left the team with only one PG, but Max should really be a bench warmer due to his defensive liability.
And the rest:
C Derrik Smits - He'll get some minutes at the beginning of the year, before the coaches give up on him and realize the kid still has no motor and no interest in boxing out.
PF Mileek McMillan - He'll get some burn at the small ball center position. I think he'll steal Smits minutes by end of year.
PF Marten Linssen - Das Hammer! I said in another thread he was the most athletic fat-guy I've ever seen. He'll find his way into the lineup if Valpo struggles to rebound.
F John Kiser - walk on last year. Not much talent, but plays with heart and attitude. I wouldn't expect many minutes unless it's out of necessity.
G Micah Bradford - had the worst freshman season for a Valpo player with regular minutes in at least ten years. He's too thin, and he can't shoot. I think you'll see him at the end of the bench with the amount of athletic guards Valpo has.
Did I miss anyone? I think you can expect a really athletic team that plays great defense, but will struggle to score. Lottich played with a much faster pace than Bryce ever did to start the year, but once Jubril went out, that became impractical with Smits and Sorrola. The success of the team will ride on a bunch of transfers and some freshman, or some sophomores taking a gigantic leap, so that's probably not a good sign, but the MVC is full of a bunch of .500 teams that are hoping their own players develop a good deal to turn their programs around.
There is substance to most of his picks, but he is overly harsh on 2 freshmen from last year (Bradford and Smits). Both have shown excellent spurts but need to mature.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on May 11, 2017, 06:21:58 AM
Quote from: a3uge on May 10, 2017, 08:16:08 PM
Quote from: underdawg on May 10, 2017, 07:03:51 PM
Hi--SIU fan. I know you lost Peter, Hammink and Adekoya. I'd like to see who you guys think will start for the Crusaders--will you use a lot of red-shirted players?
Valpo hardly ever uses a non-injury redshirt. I'm not sure about starting lineups (Lottich likes to bring higher minute guys off bench), but this is my prediction in terms of minutes:
PG Bakari Evelyn - transfer from Nebraska. Don't know much about him, but he's probably the defacto PG due to the lack of talent at that position.
SF Joe Burton - transfer from Oklahoma State, great shooter, but also super athletic. He'll likely log the most minutes on the team.
SF/G Tevonn Walker - Valpo's best player. Super athletic, and great defender, but struggles with his shooting. Can be streaky and shuts down
SF / G Markus Golder - So many dunks. He's really athletic and was a great JUCO player. Not sure what we're getting beyond that.
C Jaume Sorrola - he slowed down at end of year, but he was Valpo's best big man.
Then you'll probably see these guys get some big minutes:
SF Parker Hazen - highest rated freshman, but had a pretty poor senior season in high school. From what I've seen he's athletic, but not sure he can score at will.
PG Max Joseph - only because he's the only other PG. He's the reason Valpo was in the NIT two year ago instead of the tournament... Well, not necessarily his fault because Bryce left the team with only one PG, but Max should really be a bench warmer due to his defensive liability.
And the rest:
C Derrik Smits - He'll get some minutes at the beginning of the year, before the coaches give up on him and realize the kid still has no motor and no interest in boxing out.
PF Mileek McMillan - He'll get some burn at the small ball center position. I think he'll steal Smits minutes by end of year.
PF Marten Linssen - Das Hammer! I said in another thread he was the most athletic fat-guy I've ever seen. He'll find his way into the lineup if Valpo struggles to rebound.
F John Kiser - walk on last year. Not much talent, but plays with heart and attitude. I wouldn't expect many minutes unless it's out of necessity.
G Micah Bradford - had the worst freshman season for a Valpo player with regular minutes in at least ten years. He's too thin, and he can't shoot. I think you'll see him at the end of the bench with the amount of athletic guards Valpo has.
Did I miss anyone? I think you can expect a really athletic team that plays great defense, but will struggle to score. Lottich played with a much faster pace than Bryce ever did to start the year, but once Jubril went out, that became impractical with Smits and Sorrola. The success of the team will ride on a bunch of transfers and some freshman, or some sophomores taking a gigantic leap, so that's probably not a good sign, but the MVC is full of a bunch of .500 teams that are hoping their own players develop a good deal to turn their programs around.
There is substance to most of his picks, but he is overly harsh on 2 freshmen from last year (Bradford and Smits). Both have shown excellent spurts but need to mature.
Agreed a little too harsh on Micah & Smits.
Micah can definitely shoot even if it didn't show last season. He is definitely rail thin & NEEDS to hit the weights this summer (don't expect him to pack on 20lbs with his frame but he no doubt can get stronger this summer through a good strength training program which I'me sure they will have him on.) Micah didn't have a great freshman year but we can't forget it was a his FRESHMAN year. Its a big year for him and I do hope he does have a better year. I don't think he will ride the bench. I'm sure Coach will give him plenty of opportunities, just not sure he will be the starter.
No two ways about it that Smits had a disappointing season but he also had a couple pretty good games but those were far too few. He'll never be defensive rock in the middle but he can be solid, imo. He's slower and needs to get stronger and learn to play a more physical brand of basketball. He'll learn in time that he's every bit 7'2" can use that length to disrupt shots without fouling players. He has a lot to learn and I'm sure his first fully healthy summer will be a blessing for him to work with Jay and Coach Gore.
I don't think I'm being overly harsh on Bradford. He had two games where he made over half his shots (min 4 attempts). He had a turnover in 15 consecutive games to end the year. His PER was 3.6 and he averaged 14 mpg!
Quote from: a3uge on May 11, 2017, 11:37:32 AMI don't think I'm being overly harsh on Bradford. He had two games where he made over half his shots (min 4 attempts). He had a turnover in 15 consecutive games to end the year. His PER was 3.6 and he averaged 14 mpg!
I thought he might transfer after the season. Tough freshman year and I don't know if I see the potential.
Quote from: oklahomamick on May 11, 2017, 12:02:55 PM
Quote from: a3uge on May 11, 2017, 11:37:32 AMI don't think I'm being overly harsh on Bradford. He had two games where he made over half his shots (min 4 attempts). He had a turnover in 15 consecutive games to end the year. His PER was 3.6 and he averaged 14 mpg!
I thought he might transfer after the season. Tough freshman year and I don't know if I see the potential.
Agreed. If he is getting big minutes I think we are in for a rough year. I hope I am wrong.
Quote from: VU2014 on May 11, 2017, 11:27:44 AMG Micah Bradford - had the worst freshman season for a Valpo player with regular minutes in at least ten years. He's too thin, and he can't shoot. I think you'll see him at the end of the bench with the amount of athletic guards Valpo has.
I agree with this completely.
I question if he is a D1 point guard. He lacks strength, defensive skills, and is a poor decision maker. He can shoot but not under pressure and even wide open shots were iffy. He was given more of an opportunity than any struggling freshman than I can ever remember. He somehow got a starting spot when his on court play didn't warrant it.
Quote from: SanityLost17 on May 11, 2017, 11:03:31 PM
Quote from: oklahomamick on May 11, 2017, 12:02:55 PM
Quote from: a3uge on May 11, 2017, 11:37:32 AMI don't think I'm being overly harsh on Bradford. He had two games where he made over half his shots (min 4 attempts). He had a turnover in 15 consecutive games to end the year. His PER was 3.6 and he averaged 14 mpg!
I thought he might transfer after the season. Tough freshman year and I don't know if I see the potential.
Agreed. If he is getting big minutes I think we are in for a rough year. I hope I am wrong.
One of the pillars of our recruiting and reputation is that Valpo DEVELOPS players. Vashil? Buggs? Peters? to name 3 who have flouished at Valpo and improved greatly each season. Please give Micah his sophmore year before being too hard on him. And also consider that he didn't have a great apprenticeship year cuz Keith was denied that last year. He should get good mentoring this season from Bakari.
Quote from: Chairback on May 12, 2017, 07:13:42 AMG Micah Bradford - had the worst freshman season for a Valpo player with regular minutes in at least ten years. He's too thin, and he can't shoot. I think you'll see him at the end of the bench with the amount of athletic guards Valpo has.
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Not sure where all these guards are. Bakari? Check. Lexus? Oh yeah, he's gone. Tevonn? Check, but he's a 2. Max? Check but he isn't the most athletic guy we've had. Uh, who else am I missing? All the guys we've added via new freshman are all 2's 3's 4's or 5's or a combo of those spots.
Last year we had Lexus, Max and Micah playing the point with Shane helping. Shane's gone. If we have any injuries or foul trouble we will be playing guys out of position. We need Micah to step it up.
We could use Lexus next year....
Quote from: oklahomamick on May 12, 2017, 08:31:20 AM
We could use Lexus next year....
I think this team will miss his leadership more then his play. Thats not a knock on his play on the court when he's healthy but really a testament to his leadership abilities. A really great guy and a guy who can 'rally the troops' when times are tough, pretty much the mentality you'd love from any Point Guard.
There is definitely going to be an opening for new team leaders to emerge, because losing AP, Lexus, Jubril and Shane (even Nick) leaves a void in that intangibles category.
Hopefully someone emerges are steps up. Tevonn has always been a soft spoken guy but pretty firry on the court. Maybe he embraces a more vocal role? Maybe Max? (you don't need to be the best player to become a leader). Chandler won't get much playing time on the court but maybe he embraces a role as a leader off the court?
We really didn't get to know Joe or Bakari at all least season during their Red Shirt year. Maybe one of them is a natural leader and we don't know that yet. We certainly think they have the potential to be a few of the best players on the court along with Tevonn.
It will be interesting to see who steps up.
Quote from: vu72 on May 12, 2017, 08:18:25 AM
Quote from: Chairback on May 12, 2017, 07:13:42 AMG Micah Bradford - had the worst freshman season for a Valpo player with regular minutes in at least ten years. He's too thin, and he can't shoot. I think you'll see him at the end of the bench with the amount of athletic guards Valpo has.
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Not sure where all these guards are. Bakari? Check. Lexus? Oh yeah, he's gone. Tevonn? Check, but he's a 2. Max? Check but he isn't the most athletic guy we've had. Uh, who else am I missing? All the guys we've added via new freshman are all 2's 3's 4's or 5's or a combo of those spots.
Last year we had Lexus, Max and Micah playing the point with Shane helping. Shane's gone. If we have any injuries or foul trouble we will be playing guys out of position. We need Micah to step it up.
Coach obviously agrees and has plans for Micah. He recruited NO point guards this year and next year thus far is only SG.
Quote from: VU2014 on May 12, 2017, 09:00:50 AMQuote from: oklahomamick on May 12, 2017, 08:31:20 AMWe could use Lexus next year....
I think this team will miss his leadership more then his play. Thats not a knock on his play on the court when he's healthy but really a testament to his leadership abilities. A really great guy and a guy who can 'rally the troops' when times are tough, pretty much the mentality you'd love from any Point Guard. There is definitely going to be an opening for new team leaders to emerge, because losing AP, Lexus, Jubril and Shane (even Nick) leaves a void in that intangibles category. Hopefully someone emerges are steps up. Tevonn has always been a soft spoken guy but pretty firry on the court. Maybe he embraces a more vocal role? Maybe Max? (you don't need to be the best player to become a leader). Chandler won't get much playing time on the court but maybe he embraces a role as a leader off the court? We really didn't get to know Joe or Bakari at all least season during their Red Shirt year. Maybe one of them is a natural leader and we don't know that yet. We certainly think they have the potential to be a few of the best players on the court along with Tevonn. It will be interesting to see who steps up.
It was his play that won us the game against BYU last year. His ability decreased over the course of the year. Could be attributed to his injuries or that he wasn't starting....I don't know.
He obvisously made the right decision for him and I don't blame him. All his friends that he came in with are leaving. I hope he doesn't turn 30 and look back and regret his Valpo decision. Not the transfer decision but the committing to Valpo.
Quote from: vu72 on May 12, 2017, 08:18:25 AM
Quote from: Chairback on May 12, 2017, 07:13:42 AMG Micah Bradford - had the worst freshman season for a Valpo player with regular minutes in at least ten years. He's too thin, and he can't shoot. I think you'll see him at the end of the bench with the amount of athletic guards Valpo has.
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Not sure where all these guards are. Bakari? Check. Lexus? Oh yeah, he's gone. Tevonn? Check, but he's a 2. Max? Check but he isn't the most athletic guy we've had. Uh, who else am I missing? All the guys we've added via new freshman are all 2's 3's 4's or 5's or a combo of those spots.
Last year we had Lexus, Max and Micah playing the point with Shane helping. Shane's gone. If we have any injuries or foul trouble we will be playing guys out of position. We need Micah to step it up.
Micah isn't a PG. He doesn't have the vision or ball skills. He's a shooting guard. I was counting Bakari, Burton, Tevonn and possibly Hazen as capable of filling in at the 2. Max will be subbing for PG.
Just give the kid a chance before labeling him a bust. No doubt it was a little rough his freshman year but I am willing to give the kid the benefit of the doubt. Want to see one more year before we start labeling kids with, "they can't play".
May have been dealing with a confidence issue last year. He looked a little more confident as the season went on. I'm taking a wait & see approach. Needs to work on his game this summer and hit the weights a little. We'll see how he looks next season.
Count me in the "hold your horses" category on Bradford. Lets see what he looks like after a summer of training and getting better.
Quote from: VU2014 on May 12, 2017, 11:29:50 AM
Just give the kid a chance before labeling him a bust. No doubt it was a little rough his freshman year but I am willing to give the kid the benefit of the doubt. Want to see one more year before we start labeling kids with, "they can't play".
May have been dealing with a confidence issue last year. He looked a little more confident as the season went on. I'm taking a wait & see approach. Needs to work on his game this summer and hit the weights a little. We'll see how he looks next season.
I seem to recall some people complaining about Vashil after his first year as well. He really developed.
We have to remember that these are kids/young men when they first get to Valpo, not NBA veterans. Getting a Bryce or Alec that starts and contributes from day 1 is rare for our program, as well as many other mid-major programs. The coaching staff knows that, and is constantly trying new things in practice, and giving them opportunities in games to show their improvement - or lack thereof.
Consistency is a problem when a player transitions from HS to College. The coaching staff and players are always working this aspect. I remember when Bob Knight was discussing the inconsistency of Damon Bailey - Knight had a place for players that were consistently good or bad, but just didn't know what to do with players that were inconsistent.
I'm really looking forward to see how our two transfers and JUCO player work with this team. I firmly believe that we'll be in the hunt for the MVC championship, both regular season and tournament.
Quote from: covufan on May 12, 2017, 12:43:33 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on May 12, 2017, 11:29:50 AM
Just give the kid a chance before labeling him a bust. No doubt it was a little rough his freshman year but I am willing to give the kid the benefit of the doubt. Want to see one more year before we start labeling kids with, "they can't play".
May have been dealing with a confidence issue last year. He looked a little more confident as the season went on. I'm taking a wait & see approach. Needs to work on his game this summer and hit the weights a little. We'll see how he looks next season.
I seem to recall some people complaining about Vashil after his first year as well. He really developed.
We have to remember that these are kids/young men when they first get to Valpo, not NBA veterans. Getting a Bryce or Alec that starts and contributes from day 1 is rare for our program, as well as many other mid-major programs. The coaching staff knows that, and is constantly trying new things in practice, and giving them opportunities in games to show their improvement - or lack thereof.
Consistency is a problem when a player transitions from HS to College. The coaching staff and players are always working this aspect. I remember when Bob Knight was discussing the inconsistency of Damon Bailey - Knight had a place for players that were consistently good or bad, but just didn't know what to do with players that were inconsistent.
I'm really looking forward to see how our two transfers and JUCO player work with this team. I firmly believe that we'll be in the hunt for the MVC championship, both regular season and tournament.
Contention means:
A) Tevonn is averaging 18ppg and 6 rbg
B) Bakari and Joe hit their full capacity in out of conference and carry over into conference
C) Smits and Sorolla bring in 15-18 ppg and 13 rpg as a duo that shore up their defense
D) Maybe overlooked, but a REAL PF shooting threat develops and isn't a defensive liability
Tall order but would be amazing way to kickoff a new conference. Hard to believe it happens consistently.
Quote from: covufan on May 12, 2017, 12:43:33 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on May 12, 2017, 11:29:50 AM
Just give the kid a chance before labeling him a bust. No doubt it was a little rough his freshman year but I am willing to give the kid the benefit of the doubt. Want to see one more year before we start labeling kids with, "they can't play".
May have been dealing with a confidence issue last year. He looked a little more confident as the season went on. I'm taking a wait & see approach. Needs to work on his game this summer and hit the weights a little. We'll see how he looks next season.
I seem to recall some people complaining about Vashil after his first year as well. He really developed.
We have to remember that these are kids/young men when they first get to Valpo, not NBA veterans. Getting a Bryce or Alec that starts and contributes from day 1 is rare for our program, as well as many other mid-major programs. The coaching staff knows that, and is constantly trying new things in practice, and giving them opportunities in games to show their improvement - or lack thereof.
Consistency is a problem when a player transitions from HS to College. The coaching staff and players are always working this aspect. I remember when Bob Knight was discussing the inconsistency of Damon Bailey - Knight had a place for players that were consistently good or bad, but just didn't know what to do with players that were inconsistent.
I'm really looking forward to see how our two transfers and JUCO player work with this team. I firmly believe that we'll be in the hunt for the MVC championship, both regular season and tournament.
Saying some of us were expecting him to be a "NBA veteran" is a big strawman. At some point you should be able to evaluate a player's ceiling and development tract. It was evident early on that Jay Harris would never play like a 4 star guard. It was evident that Alec Peters would turn into one of the best players in the league. There has to be some point where a player plays so bad, you question his ability to develop into even a rotation player.
True, Vashil was the one player Valpo turned from a liability into a highly productive starter, but I think there's a difference between big men and guards. Vashil had never dribbled a basketball before signing with Valpo, so there was always a ton of room to grow.
Valpo has been great at getting guys like Dority, Broekhoff, and Peters to really turn the corner, but I can't really recall such an unproductive freshman (other than Vashil) being turned into a productive player.
Quote from: a3uge on May 12, 2017, 01:50:39 PMQuote from: covufan on May 12, 2017, 12:43:33 PMQuote from: VU2014 on May 12, 2017, 11:29:50 AMJust give the kid a chance before labeling him a bust. No doubt it was a little rough his freshman year but I am willing to give the kid the benefit of the doubt. Want to see one more year before we start labeling kids with, "they can't play". May have been dealing with a confidence issue last year. He looked a little more confident as the season went on. I'm taking a wait & see approach. Needs to work on his game this summer and hit the weights a little. We'll see how he looks next season.
I seem to recall some people complaining about Vashil after his first year as well. He really developed. We have to remember that these are kids/young men when they first get to Valpo, not NBA veterans. Getting a Bryce or Alec that starts and contributes from day 1 is rare for our program, as well as many other mid-major programs. The coaching staff knows that, and is constantly trying new things in practice, and giving them opportunities in games to show their improvement - or lack thereof. Consistency is a problem when a player transitions from HS to College. The coaching staff and players are always working this aspect. I remember when Bob Knight was discussing the inconsistency of Damon Bailey - Knight had a place for players that were consistently good or bad, but just didn't know what to do with players that were inconsistent. I'm really looking forward to see how our two transfers and JUCO player work with this team. I firmly believe that we'll be in the hunt for the MVC championship, both regular season and tournament.
Saying some of us were expecting him to be a "NBA veteran" is a big strawman. At some point you should be able to evaluate a player's ceiling and development tract. It was evident early on that Jay Harris would never play like a 4 star guard. It was evident that Alec Peters would turn into one of the best players in the league. There has to be some point where a player plays so bad, you question his ability to develop into even a rotation player. True, Vashil was the one player Valpo turned from a liability into a highly productive starter, but I think there's a difference between big men and guards. Vashil had never dribbled a basketball before signing with Valpo, so there was always a ton of room to grow. Valpo has been great at getting guys like Dority, Broekhoff, and Peters to really turn the corner, but I can't really recall such an unproductive freshman (other than Vashil) being turned into a productive player.
Coaches have to see something in Micah at practice to have warranted the amount of playing time and the expected continued strong role in the team. He flashed some signs of it last year. My gut tells me the coaches believe the talent is there, he just couldn't put it together during the game. I'd give a kid a flyer on a bad year if I felt the skill was there.
Quote from: SanityLost17 on May 11, 2017, 11:03:31 PMI hope I am wrong.
I believe some other poster has the patent for this message board on that phrase. I don't remember who.
Micah and Derrik aside, most of the kids coming out of high school have played so much AAU ball at a high level for such a long time, that the jump to college isn't that big a deal. Think Tevonn Walker and Alec Peters. As a result, I would expect both Micah and Derrik to make the jump (it took them a year to adjust) and to see some significant contributions from guys like Marten (big international experience) and Parker.
Quote from: a3uge on May 12, 2017, 01:50:39 PM
Quote from: covufan on May 12, 2017, 12:43:33 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on May 12, 2017, 11:29:50 AM
Just give the kid a chance before labeling him a bust. No doubt it was a little rough his freshman year but I am willing to give the kid the benefit of the doubt. Want to see one more year before we start labeling kids with, "they can't play".
May have been dealing with a confidence issue last year. He looked a little more confident as the season went on. I'm taking a wait & see approach. Needs to work on his game this summer and hit the weights a little. We'll see how he looks next season.
I seem to recall some people complaining about Vashil after his first year as well. He really developed.
We have to remember that these are kids/young men when they first get to Valpo, not NBA veterans. Getting a Bryce or Alec that starts and contributes from day 1 is rare for our program, as well as many other mid-major programs. The coaching staff knows that, and is constantly trying new things in practice, and giving them opportunities in games to show their improvement - or lack thereof.
Consistency is a problem when a player transitions from HS to College. The coaching staff and players are always working this aspect. I remember when Bob Knight was discussing the inconsistency of Damon Bailey - Knight had a place for players that were consistently good or bad, but just didn't know what to do with players that were inconsistent.
I'm really looking forward to see how our two transfers and JUCO player work with this team. I firmly believe that we'll be in the hunt for the MVC championship, both regular season and tournament.
Saying some of us were expecting him to be a "NBA veteran" is a big strawman. At some point you should be able to evaluate a player's ceiling and development tract. It was evident early on that Jay Harris would never play like a 4 star guard. It was evident that Alec Peters would turn into one of the best players in the league. There has to be some point where a player plays so bad, you question his ability to develop into even a rotation player.
True, Vashil was the one player Valpo turned from a liability into a highly productive starter, but I think there's a difference between big men and guards. Vashil had never dribbled a basketball before signing with Valpo, so there was always a ton of room to grow.
Valpo has been great at getting guys like Dority, Broekhoff, and Peters to really turn the corner, but I can't really recall such an unproductive freshman (other than Vashil) being turned into a productive player.
Seth Colclasure, Brandon McPherson, Jake Diebler
Quote from: IndyValpo on May 12, 2017, 07:55:05 PMSeth Colclasure, Brandon McPherson, Jake Diebler
Agree that all had modest freshman seasons. Buggs was another freshman project player. He showed flashes of talent on a terrible team but might have finished that year hobbled by injury? I know he red-shirted the next year but my memory of the details is vague. Anyway the freshman Erik was just hideous at free throws and 3 point shooting but step by step, inch by inch he got to be a senior and hadn't improved a lick in either category. :o How come my memories of this guy are so positive? :thumbsup:
Quote from: justducky on May 12, 2017, 09:29:05 PM
Quote from: IndyValpo on May 12, 2017, 07:55:05 PMSeth Colclasure, Brandon McPherson, Jake Diebler
Agree that all had modest freshman seasons. Buggs was another freshman project player. He showed flashes of talent on a terrible team but might have finished that year hobbled by injury? I know he red-shirted the next year but my memory of the details is vague. Anyway the freshman Erik was just hideous at free throws and 3 point shooting but step by step, inch by inch he got to be a senior and hadn't improved a lick in either category. :o How come my memories of this guy are so positive? :thumbsup:
Maybe the tip dunk (after the whistle unfortunately) at Duke on National TV?
Buggs could take anyone off the dribble. However, teams could just pack the lane when he had the ball, which made it impossible for others to get their shot inside.
One of those teams in the the MVC will be UNI--they play a sagging man to man, pack the lane and dare you to shoot the 15' jumper--if you can't, you're in trouble
This is a staggering amount of transfers.
https://twitter.com/EvanDaniels/status/866729477132480513
https://twitter.com/boettger_eli/status/865985404108812288
https://twitter.com/GoazenDONS/status/867055871787847680
A local kid is transferring from IU. Grant Glenon from Crown Point? Looks like he was a freshman last year. He's a shooting guard and a shooter. We don't have any open scholarships for next season. Seems like lots IU fans are happy he's transferring.
He had offers from: IU, Western Michigan, UIC, IUPUI, YSU, Western Carolina, Iona, Toledo
Stats: http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4066364/grant-gelon
SEASON TEAM MIN FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
2016-17 IND 3.2 0.6-0.8 .778 0.3-0.4 .600 0.4-0.7 .625 0.4 0.0 0.0 0.1 0.5 0.1 1.8
http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/grant-gelon
https://twitter.com/ZachOsterman/status/867371921503121408
http://www.crimsonquarry.com/2017/5/24/15684428/reports-grant-gelon-granted-release-from-indiana-will-evaluate-transfer
"freshman Grant Gelon has requested his release from the Indiana basketball program and plans to evaluate transfer opportunities. The 6-5 freshman was something of an off-the-radar pickup for the Indiana program, a player Tom Crean had become somewhat randomly enamored with due to his outside shooting ability. Still, the Crown Point native was seldom used in his initial season in Bloomington: he logged just 38 minutes on the floor, mostly in mop-up time during the 2016-17 season. Made three of his five three point attempts, though!
While a transfer has not been finalized and Indiana has not formally commented, this wouldn't seem to be a case of the much-accused "Spring Creaning" tactic of roster reduction and overrecruiting of which Tom Crean was often accused."
https://twitter.com/Sam_Beishuizen/status/867341197878198272
https://twitter.com/JP8185/status/867393768076529664
https://twitter.com/kingery_mark/status/867402919443877888
https://twitter.com/JP8185/status/867403083915165696
https://twitter.com/kingery_mark/status/867404101625270273
https://twitter.com/JP8185/status/867404291270750208
I don't think valpo is an option. We don't have any scholarships left?
Quote from: oklahomamick on May 24, 2017, 10:50:05 AM
I don't think valpo is an option. We don't have any scholarships left?
Yeah I don't see him coming Valpo unless he wants to walk-on or sit out a year. Both are probably unlikely.
He has to sit a year anyway. He'd just have to spend his own money while doing it if he wanted to come to Valpo, which doesn't seem likely.
Quote from: M on May 24, 2017, 11:17:13 AM
He has to sit a year anyway. He'd just have to spend his own money while doing it if he wanted to come to Valpo, which doesn't seem likely.
I paid for 3 children to attend private universities (total of 12 student-years). Had 1 of 3 required financial support for only 1 year in order to find a better fit, and the end result would be 5 years of education at a Tier-1 school, a bachelor's degree and possibly an MBA, I wouldn't have blinked twice before agreeing to it. I'm quite sure that there are many people out there that would do the same.
I meant not likely he will come play at Valpo regardless if there were scholarships available or not.
Mark Alstork going to Illinois.
What is this now, Alstork's third school?
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/867759164751261696
Good for us.
Quote from: VU2014 on May 25, 2017, 10:08:48 AM
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/867759164751261696
Is this also a sign that we don't plan to schedule any Horizon League teams in the near future? Or am I reading too much into it?
Quote from: bbtds on May 26, 2017, 06:00:52 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on May 25, 2017, 10:08:48 AM
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/867759164751261696
Is this also a sign that we don't plan to schedule any Horizon League teams in the near future? Or am I reading too much into it?
If the "near future" is just next season, I would say yes.
If I were a betting man, I'd say Lexus lands in the Horizon League.
Quote from: Pgmado on May 26, 2017, 09:29:11 PM
If I were a betting man, I'd say Lexus lands in the Horizon League.
Interesting.
Cleveland State is in need of a PG. Wright State just lost Alstork, maybe there?
It would just kind of suck to see him wearing an Oakland jersey. I don't see OU as positional fit though.
Quote from: VU2014 on May 26, 2017, 11:31:12 PMIt would just kind of suck to see him wearing an Oakland jersey. I don't see OU as positional fit though.
The fit is way off. Lexus hasn't committed any crimes.
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/868602432888201216
Lexus would be a very nice get for the Golden Grizzlies and make them an even tougher team this year. Frankly I'm surprised he's still available with all the visits he's taken. You would think some program would have signed him already. Part of me was always rooting for him to come back but I know that won't happen now as Valpo has no scholarships available.
That Oakland comment is just too much. You win the day, bbtds ;D
Maybe we want him to help us learn how to commit academic fraud or possibly he can teach Kampe how to have a player arrested spend a night in jail and not have to miss any games.
^^This guy^^ :lol:
Quote from: valpotx on May 28, 2017, 04:21:50 PM
That Oakland comment is just too much. You win the day, bbtds ;D
And no spelling errors! 8-)
QuoteQuote from: Grizz on May 30, 2017, 09:17:42 AMMaybe we want him to help us learn how to commit academic fraud or possibly he can teach Kampe how to have a player arrested spend a night in jail and not have to miss any games.
I strongly suggest you try one of the high majors for more information on your inquiry. You know, the programs the NCAA never punishes despite death penalty worthy offences.
Valparaiso was one of the only Programs in the Nation to earn a PERFECT 1000 APR score from the NCAA last season. Valpo was easily one of, if not the best academic school in the Horizon League Conference...
Grizz, no offense but you only make yourself look dumber by making these idiotic statements.
An article that may be of interest to Grizz:
In 2016 (the most recent data I could find) Valpo had FOUR programs recognized for APR, tied for the most in the Horizon League Oakland? ZERO, about as many times as they've 1. Won the Horizon League title outright and 2. Made the NCAA Tournament since joining the Horizon League. Nevertheless, please tell us more about the academic and athletic prowess of Oakland University.
http://www.horizonleague.org/blog/thirteen-horizon-league-teams-honored-for-apr-scores (http://www.horizonleague.org/blog/thirteen-horizon-league-teams-honored-for-apr-scores)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQCU36pkH7c
And some people want us to continue to schedule them and in effect help their program? I do remember how we cried like that when we were unable to schedule Butler. As was mentioned earlier on a posting, Butler had nothing to gain from playing us. Even though we had beat them 4 straight times, some cried because we couldn't continue to play them, just like some of the OU people are doing. Poor babies...what a shame. Let's move on...we have absolutely nothing to gain from playing them. If we do, fine. If not, who cares.
We also had 100 years of history with Butler (they are still the team we've played more frequently than any other in the history of our program), so that's a bit of an apples-to-oranges comparison, yes?
Quote from: valpo64 on May 30, 2017, 10:49:49 AM
Let's move on...we have absolutely nothing to gain from playing them. If we do, fine. If not, who cares.
If OU rises to consistently be in the top 100 RPI conversation, then scheduling them is a win/win. Otherwise, it isn't worth it for Valpo at this point.
QuoteQuote from: VULB#62 on May 30, 2017, 11:01:33 AM
Quote from: valpo64 on May 30, 2017, 10:49:49 AM
Let's move on...we have absolutely nothing to gain from playing them. If we do, fine. If not, who cares.
If OU rises to consistently be in the top 100 RPI conversation, then scheduling them is a win/win. Otherwise, it isn't worth it for Valpo at this point.
That could be awhile. Not even Pepperidge Farm remembers the last time Oakland's RPI was that high.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on May 30, 2017, 11:49:54 AM
QuoteQuote from: VULB#62 on May 30, 2017, 11:01:33 AM
Quote from: valpo64 on May 30, 2017, 10:49:49 AM
Let's move on...we have absolutely nothing to gain from playing them. If we do, fine. If not, who cares.
If OU rises to consistently be in the top 100 RPI conversation, then scheduling them is a win/win. Otherwise, it isn't worth it for Valpo at this point.
That could be awhile. Not even Pepperidge Farm remembers the last time Oakland's RPI was that high.
How about an RPI of 102 for Oakland at the end of the 2016-17 season. Or 105 at season's end in 2015-16.
While I would love for Valpo to be able to get on the schedule for a home and home any of the so-called top 100 in Mid-Major conferences, the likelihood and previous experience has shown how difficult of a task this has become. Oakland has always shown an interest in scheduling Valpo. After a year or two, I say we continue the series.
QuoteQuote from: covufan on May 30, 2017, 12:21:54 PM
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on May 30, 2017, 11:49:54 AM
QuoteQuote from: VULB#62 on May 30, 2017, 11:01:33 AM
Quote from: valpo64 on May 30, 2017, 10:49:49 AM
Let's move on...we have absolutely nothing to gain from playing them. If we do, fine. If not, who cares.
If OU rises to consistently be in the top 100 RPI conversation, then scheduling them is a win/win. Otherwise, it isn't worth it for Valpo at this point.
That could be awhile. Not even Pepperidge Farm remembers the last time Oakland's RPI was that high.
How about an RPI of 102 for Oakland at the end of the 2016-17 season. Or 105 at season's end in 2015-16.
While I would love for Valpo to be able to get on the schedule for a home and home any of the so-called top 100 in Mid-Major conferences, the likelihood and previous experience has shown how difficult of a task this has become. Oakland has always shown an interest in scheduling Valpo. After a year or two, I say we continue the series.
I'd be down, as long as they're done being a 130-180 RPI team. Then the value really goes down of playing them. If they can stay in the 100-120 range then it's a much more appealing game.
Quote from: covufan on May 30, 2017, 12:21:54 PM
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on May 30, 2017, 11:49:54 AM
QuoteQuote from: VULB#62 on May 30, 2017, 11:01:33 AM
Quote from: valpo64 on May 30, 2017, 10:49:49 AM
Let's move on...we have absolutely nothing to gain from playing them. If we do, fine. If not, who cares.
If OU rises to consistently be in the top 100 RPI conversation, then scheduling them is a win/win. Otherwise, it isn't worth it for Valpo at this point.
That could be awhile. Not even Pepperidge Farm remembers the last time Oakland's RPI was that high.
How about an RPI of 102 for Oakland at the end of the 2016-17 season. Or 105 at season's end in 2015-16.
While I would love for Valpo to be able to get on the schedule for a home and home any of the so-called top 100 in Mid-Major conferences, the likelihood and previous experience has shown how difficult of a task this has become. Oakland has always shown an interest in scheduling Valpo. After a year or two, I say we continue the series.
Yes, but that is with playing 2 games against Valpo, RPI 79 last year and lower the year before. Substitute one of the favorites to replace Valpo, Robert Morris (RPI 236) or IUPUI (RPI 217) and the task becomes more challenging.
We're less than a week in from the official word of the transition, and I find myself already reaching Jay Cutler-esque levels of "Don't Caaaaaaarrrrrrrre" about the HL and its future path.
That said, if we're going to schedule one of our former conference mates for a non-conference matchup in the near future, I'd suspect that it would be Milwaukee, given our significant alumni concentration in that city.
I'm for that! I'll get to see my Crusaders at least once a year.
I'd really doubt that we'd be giving them a home game every year.
Also Grizz maybe you should wait until your team has more success as a league member than say NORTHERN KENTUCKY and until you have even ONE win in the conference tournament that's IN YOUR OWN BACKYARD before talking smack. I just hope OU doesn't say no the next time the A10 comes calling. ;D :lol:
As for Milwaukee,I feel that there will be plenty of time to schedule them once they likewise leave Oakland and the Horizon League behind. Enjoy being a big fish in a small pond, Oakland! (if OU ever even outgrows their peers that is.)
Quote from: M on May 30, 2017, 01:45:56 PM
I'd really doubt that we'd be giving them a home game every year.
Yeah I don't see that happening either. I could see us signing 2-for-2 with a team like MKE like we did with Indiana State. Makes sense for both programs if Valpo is willing to take the RPI hit from UWM if they aren't any better in a few years. Low travel for both schools and I think the Valpo game this year was one of the UWM most attended home game.
It will be interesting to see which schools would be willing to schedule Valpo the next few years. I doubt UWM would be one of the bitter schools since they were also actively looking to leave the HL. I'm sure the HL coaches would personally like to schedule Valpo but the Pres/ADs also have a say in scheduling for some programs and they may veto a game with Valpo because they are bitter.
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/869605179968147456
Quote from: VU2014 on May 30, 2017, 02:03:02 PM
Quote from: M on May 30, 2017, 01:45:56 PM
I'd really doubt that we'd be giving them a home game every year.
Yeah I don't see that happening either. I could see us signing 2-for-2 with a team like MKE like we did with Indiana State. Makes sense for both programs if Valpo is willing to take the RPI hit from UWM if they aren't any better in a few years. Low travel for both schools and I think the Valpo game this year was one of the UWM most attended home game.
It will be interesting to see which schools would be willing to schedule Valpo the next few years. I doubt UWM would be one of the bitter schools since they were also actively looking to leave the HL. I'm sure the HL coaches would personally like to school Valpo but the Pres/ADs also have a say in scheduling for some programs and they may veto a game with Valpo because they are bitter.
Unfortunately, bitterness finds its way into these things. Kind of a poor example, but when Mizzou left Big 12 for the SEC, Mizzou asked Kansas about continuing rivalry games, and Kansas said "forget it".
To me, scheduling in men's college basketball should be about 4 things:
1. Driving attendance
2. Building resume for NCAA tournament
3. Special games to benefit the players (e.g., scheduling close to a player's home so his family can come see the game).
4. See Nos. 1 and 2.
Bitterness should simply be left out.
Quote from: Grizz on May 30, 2017, 09:17:42 AM
Maybe we want him to help us learn how to commit academic fraud or possibly he can teach Kampe how to have a player arrested spend a night in jail and not have to miss any games.
Won't miss you bud. Going on forums of your competitors and taking offense is bottom feeder stuff.
https://www.twitter.com/TheReal_MG3/status/869287475314917384
After posting that he was in the gym at 4 am and now this apparent solo workout, I would say Mr. Golder's work ethic can't be challenged! :clap: :dance: :clap:
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on May 30, 2017, 06:54:04 PM
Quote from: Grizz on May 30, 2017, 09:17:42 AM
Maybe we want him to help us learn how to commit academic fraud or possibly he can teach Kampe how to have a player arrested spend a night in jail and not have to miss any games.
Won't miss you bud. Going on forums of your competitors and taking offense is bottom feeder stuff.
Playing up an underage drinking ticket to play down supporting a woman beater is bottom feeder stuff.
Lexus just received an offer from Oakland and he will be taking a visit to Boise State tomorrow.
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/870062320046702592
https://twitter.com/MichaelLKatz/status/870060685861900289
Ahhh, out old friend Grizz and his moral equivalency. Reason #4,723 I won't miss the Horizon League.
If Lexus decides on Oakland I am fine with it. In truth I expect them to be a significantly better team than Valpo in 17-18 and still very good in 18-19. So why wouldn't we want to schedule a possible top 65 or better mid-major for a home and road? REALITY CHECK! This move to the MVC is NOT going to make our OOC scheduling much if any easier for building future at-large credentials.
We have to take the best we can find from those who are willing to play at the ARC. If that is Oakland ---GREAT! Did our now fellow MVC members Illinois St, or Northern Iowa agree to 15-16, 16-17 home and aways ? Nope, and I am pretty sure they were called. So now we should destroy an ongoing working relationship with Kampe because some of you would rather focus on perceived player morality rather than team strength?
Sometimes I have zero understanding of how many minds on this board function if indeed some are functioning at all ???
As for Lexus we shouldn't care if he is in an Oakland uniform against us; if that is what he wants and Oakland needs. It would only add to the competitive entertainment value.
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This is not just a general 'perception,' ducky. They have small-minded/scumbag young men on their team that think it is ok to beat up women. This is a fact. 'Perceived player morality??' Are you freaking kidding me? I understand your general point that we should schedule top quality teams, but that was poor word choice.
Quote from: justducky on May 31, 2017, 10:15:05 PM
If Lexus decides on Oakland I am fine with it. In truth I expect them to be a significantly better team than Valpo in 17-18 and still very good in 18-19.
Oakland is losing a ton of talent after next season. They will rebuilding or reloading after seasons team. OU will have a few talented bigs in Brechting and Brock but their wings will be completely depleted after next season SR's. Kampe is really going to need to work some magic in recruiting and that why its going be so crucial for them to have amazing year to sell recruits on the program.
A very very rare in conference transfer happening in the Missouri Valley Conference. Loyola's Matt Chastain (3-star) is transferring to Illinois State. The kid is a really good player. I know Valpo was recruiting him but never ended up offering because we were pretty full at Guard position last season and the coaching change ended Valpo's chances once Bryce and Powell left (Roger was the lead recruiter I believe). Larry Austin, Jr was going to commit to Valpo but once Bryce/Powell left he followed them to Vandy.
(side note: I hope the next assistant coach Valpo hires has some connections to the Chicago HS/AAU team/coaches like Roger Powell did. And someone with some pro playing experience. I know thats a tough and tall ask but would be nice to see.)
https://twitter.com/chastain_matt/status/870040273316970496
https://twitter.com/chastain_matt/status/859883632042795008
https://twitter.com/chastain_matt/status/723977997385097216
https://twitter.com/AustinDuncan33/status/713106061503438848
https://twitter.com/LeRoyFCPress/status/705205669830516736
https://twitter.com/IlliniSwami/status/708790808913117184
https://twitter.com/Pg_Reinhardt/status/705228210670313472
Quote from: valpo64 on May 30, 2017, 10:49:49 AM
And some people want us to continue to schedule them and in effect help their program? I do remember how we cried like that when we were unable to schedule Butler. As was mentioned earlier on a posting, Butler had nothing to gain from playing us. Even though we had beat them 4 straight times, some cried because we couldn't continue to play them, just like some of the OU people are doing. Poor babies...what a shame. Let's move on...we have absolutely nothing to gain from playing them. If we do, fine. If not, who cares.
As has been stated previously let's see how Oakland schedules in the next 2 years and if they will help our RPI then let's make Kampe's day.
Quote from: bbtds on June 01, 2017, 05:33:13 PM
Quote from: valpo64 on May 30, 2017, 10:49:49 AM
And some people want us to continue to schedule them and in effect help their program? I do remember how we cried like that when we were unable to schedule Butler. As was mentioned earlier on a posting, Butler had nothing to gain from playing us. Even though we had beat them 4 straight times, some cried because we couldn't continue to play them, just like some of the OU people are doing. Poor babies...what a shame. Let's move on...we have absolutely nothing to gain from playing them. If we do, fine. If not, who cares.
As has been stated previously let's see how Oakland schedules in the next 2 years and if they will help our RPI then let's make Kampe's day.
Valpo should be able to get home and home games with teams from the MAC and should also target A-10 teams. If Oakland is a worthy opponent, they should be considered down the road also, but that series should be on Valpo's terms, not Oakland's.
Suspected a transfer might be in his future. Seems like a good pickup for BSU.
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/871569816133480448
I am sure that they will play against each other at some point!
Hazen brother duo at Valpo would have been cool but I don't think we had room on roster or at that position.
I know Valpo recruited him pretty hard before he committed to UCF then got out of his letter of intent because of a coaching change and chose Arkansas.
Brachen Hazen will have to sit out a year. I know Valpo is in the middle of a series with Ball State 2-for-2. This may be the last year or the series.
If I remember correctly Parker was the better athlete but Brachen was the better shooter in the family. Both great basketball recruits.
He's not going to land at Valpo unless he wants to walk-on which seems really unlikely but I guess the kid is really struggling to find solid D1 programs that are interested right now. Sounds like he's a stellar academic student so maybe he can get a good academic scholarship at VU, but would still seem unlikely.
https://twitter.com/sportspartizan/status/871596217523941376
Quote from: VU2014 on June 05, 2017, 01:35:20 PM
He's not going to land at Valpo unless he wants to walk-on which seems really unlikely but I guess the kid is really struggling to find solid D1 programs that are interested right now. Sounds like he's a stellar academic student so maybe he can get a good academic scholarship at VU, but would still seem unlikely.
https://twitter.com/sportspartizan/status/871596217523941376
I'm sure he is a great young man, but he may have been in over his head at IU. I'm not sure he would be a good fit here.
http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/columnists/gregg-doyel/2016/06/24/doyel-iu-recruit-grant-gelon/86249188/
Quote from: wh on June 05, 2017, 08:11:58 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on June 05, 2017, 01:35:20 PM
He's not going to land at Valpo unless he wants to walk-on which seems really unlikely but I guess the kid is really struggling to find solid D1 programs that are interested right now. Sounds like he's a stellar academic student so maybe he can get a good academic scholarship at VU, but would still seem unlikely.
https://twitter.com/sportspartizan/status/871596217523941376
I'm sure he is a great young man, but he may have been in over his head at IU. I'm not sure he would be a good fit here.
http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/columnists/gregg-doyel/2016/06/24/doyel-iu-recruit-grant-gelon/86249188/
Totally agree. We are being "picky" as well we should. Aim higher.
Correct me if I'm wrong but if he walks on he won't have to sit right? This kid may not have been able to make it in the Big 10 but that doesn't mean he won't be a valuable addition to a Valley team. He can shoot and we could definitely use more outside shooting. He's from Crown Point which deepens VU's connection with the surrounding area and gives more people a potential reason to go to games.If he's willing to walk on and can fit in academically, I see no good reason to turn him away if he expresses interest in joining the program. He should get plenty of open looks from the outside on this team and I'm sure we can find him enough minutes this year.
One more thought that just occurred to me: This guy was a teammate of another Crown Point guard who could really shoot the basketball and committed to a power 5 school . Should he find his lot on that P5 team unsatisfactory in any way having a high school teammate on the roster to tell him what a swell place Valpo is could prove key. Think big picture everyone.
QuoteCorrect me if I'm wrong but if he walks on he won't have to sit right? This kid may not have been able to make it in the Big 10 but that doesn't mean he won't be a valuable addition to a Valley team. He can shoot and we could definitely use more outside shooting. He's from Crown Point which deepens VU's connection with the surrounding area and gives more people a potential reason to go to games. If he's willing to walk on and can fit in academically, I see no good reason to turn him away if he expresses interest in joining the program. He should get plenty of open looks from the outside on this team and I'm sure we can find him enough minutes this year.
Good points, specifically being from the "region" could help a little with attendance or lead more people from Northwest Indiana to pay attention. Not sure he'd get much run even with next years team. But I guess you never know.
If he'd be willing to accept a standard healthy academic scholarship and it was enough for him and if he'd agree to his "role" with potential of earning minutes in the future then I'd say go for it but still seems unlikely.
QuoteOne more thought that just occurred to me: This guy was a teammate of another Crown Point guard who could really shoot the basketball and committed to a power 5 school . Should he find his lot on that P5 team unsatisfactory in any way having a high school teammate on the roster to tell him what a swell place Valpo is could prove key. Think big picture everyone.
I think you are referring to Sasha Stefanovic. I believe he played 2 guard for Crown Point (ken decker played the 1) and he was a legit star and would bring many more eyeballs/fans then Gelon ever would if he chose Valpo over Purdue. Sasha got caught up with Big10 "status" over early playing time and development. A decent amount of media/fans think he may become an eventual transfer his freshman or sophomore year if he doesn't establish a "role" in the Purdue offense early in his Purdue career. Would have been an amazing get for our program if he chose us, but he seemed to really want to get the notoriety/label of being a Big10 player. Hope it all works out for him and wish him the best.
I bet we'll see Purdue's HC Painter put him in the game vs Valpo if the game gets away from us at some point late in the game to give him some run in front of NWI fans that will be in the building on Dec. 14 at their place. Would be awesome if we could shock the world and make a statement in the State of Indiana.
Gelon would still have to sit out a year.
Fairly accurate depiction of the P5 poaching a lot the top Mid-Major schools talents this offseason...
https://twitter.com/CollegeHoopNews/status/872138091108151297
https://twitter.com/MattNorlander/status/876830795813576704
http://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/college-coaches-like-baseball-rule-for-nba-draft-but-it-may-not-solve-the-big-issues/
College coaches like 'baseball rule' for NBA Draft, but it may not solve the big issues
College coaches are mostly for using MLB's policy for its draft, but the NBA might not be interested
By: Matt Norlander @MattNorlander
Jun 19, 2017
If we are to believe his words and glean from his tone, NBA commissioner Adam Silver could catalyze major changes to college basketball in the coming years.
Silver's recent comments about reconsidering the NBA's age-minimum rule for the NBA Draft has once more spurred discussion about what protocol would be better for all involved. Before moving any further, understand this is the perma-reality: There is no perfect solution. There is no rule that benefits the NBA as it does college basketball as it does the players. The NBA is run by smart people, and if there was an endgame that magically worked for everyone invested they'd have found it by now.
So, no matter what, one of the three aforementioned entities — the NBA, college basketball or the player — will be forced into sacrifice in any variable. Obviously, since the NBA and the NBA Players Association bargain the rule, the NBA is not going to be hindering itself.
..........
Vanderbilt just released 2 interesting transfers. Larry Austin Jr and Payton Willis.
You may remember hearing the name Larry Austin Jr because he nearly transferred to Valpo but he chose to follow Bryce and Roger to Vandy instead of joining Valpo a few years ago. I wonder if he regrets that decision. He was a 3 star PG recruit from Xavier.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3136480/larry-austin-jr
https://twitter.com/AdamSparks/status/974033357695840256
https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/974442309940113409
Succcckkkkkkkssssssssss for Evansville
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/gamelog/_/id/3138197/ryan-luther
Transferring from Pitt. Looks like he was a senior this year who got injured before ACC play started. Not sure the nature of the injury. Plays the 4. Good Size at 6'9" 225, rebounded well in the games he did play, and around 40% from 3 during his career at Pitt. Didn't take a ton of 3's but hit at a good percentage for the ones he did take.
The transfer bug has hit Pitt so hard I'm hearing that even Dan Marino and Tony Dorsett are exploring their options right now.
In all seriousness I wonder who's going to coach that mess. Maybe Thad Matta or Tubby Smith? I would have suggested Dwight Shrute AKA Tom Crean but he's taking the Georgia job. Wow a lot of pretty good jobs opened up this year;
It's up to eight players wanting out. The problem began with the hiring of the nut case Stallings. He was quietly removed from Vandy and then two year later not so quietly at Pitt.
Quote from: SanityLost17 on March 16, 2018, 11:17:30 AM
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/gamelog/_/id/3138197/ryan-luther
Transferring from Pitt. Looks like he was a senior this year who got injured before ACC play started. Not sure the nature of the injury. Plays the 4. Good Size at 6'9" 225, rebounded well in the games he did play, and around 40% from 3 during his career at Pitt. Didn't take a ton of 3's but hit at a good percentage for the ones he did take.
There is no way that this guy should receive a redshirt, especially since Keith did not. He averaged 20+ games played over his first 3 seasons, and played in 10 this season. It is an absolute joke if he gets another year.
Six Evansville players Friday asked for permission to contact other teams about possible transfer. No telling how many actually will go but it looks like they want to have the option to leave depending on the new coach.
Quote from: VU75 on March 16, 2018, 11:47:43 PM
Six Evansville players Friday asked for permission to contact other teams about possible transfer. No telling how many actually will go but it looks like they want to have the option to leave depending on the new coach.
Wow, E-ville is taking some bruises with their head coach dismissal. Some Purple being left on those Aces.
It sounds like Evansville is ready to whip out the check book to get a big name in the community that will help with recruiting in that area and fan excitement. Their next head coach probably can convince some guys to stay.
https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/975161409691701248
Very interesting to hear Evansville was blocking a majority of his options. Makes me wonder if MVC teams were interested but very strange to hear they blocked a D2 school... I could see not wanting a kid to transfer within the conference, but it makes me wonder which schools reached out.
https://twitter.com/FatherHarry1/status/975561367859204097
https://twitter.com/patmhickey/status/975563022650560513
Quote from: VU75 on March 16, 2018, 11:47:43 PM
Six Evansville players Friday asked for permission to contact other teams about possible transfer. No telling how many actually will go but it looks like they want to have the option to leave depending on the new coach.
I think I read someplace that eight of the Pitt players have asked to transfer after Stallings was fired.
Well that figures. After all, the players are in charge of the program...whatever they want is what they get, right?
Quote from: covufan on March 19, 2018, 10:20:55 AM
Quote from: VU75 on March 16, 2018, 11:47:43 PM
Six Evansville players Friday asked for permission to contact other teams about possible transfer. No telling how many actually will go but it looks like they want to have the option to leave depending on the new coach.
I think I read someplace that eight of the Pitt players have asked to transfer after Stallings was fired.
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That is correct. It does seem that the coaches are on an ever tightening leash. Stalling was canned after two years and so was Tubby Smith. Two years? Really? If I were a player and my coach that recruited me was canned I think I certainly would explore my options.
Quote from: valpotx on March 16, 2018, 12:45:12 PM
Quote from: SanityLost17 on March 16, 2018, 11:17:30 AM
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/gamelog/_/id/3138197/ryan-luther
Transferring from Pitt. Looks like he was a senior this year who got injured before ACC play started. Not sure the nature of the injury. Plays the 4. Good Size at 6'9" 225, rebounded well in the games he did play, and around 40% from 3 during his career at Pitt. Didn't take a ton of 3's but hit at a good percentage for the ones he did take.
There is no way that this guy should receive a redshirt, especially since Keith did not. He averaged 20+ games played over his first 3 seasons, and played in 10 this season. It is an absolute joke if he gets another year.
This article explains the injury hardship rule ... he'll qualify for another year as long as the school provides the appropriate documentation.
http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/Pitt/2018/01/11/Ryan-Luther-injury-hardship-waiver-medical-redshirt/stories/201801110168 (http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/Pitt/2018/01/11/Ryan-Luther-injury-hardship-waiver-medical-redshirt/stories/201801110168)
It also says that Pitt will have no open scholarships for next year ... I guess that's going to change! ::)
Ryan Welage a native of Greensburg, IN just announced his intentions to transfer from San Diego State. He's a 6-9 stretch 4. He also was recruited by NKU when Valpo assistant David Ragland was on their staff. He's a pretty good player. Check out his stats. He's SJSU's all-time 3pt shooting leader as a junior. He has 1 more year of eligibility left. I'm not sure if he'd be an immediate grad-transfer. He's going to attract a lot of suitors. Maybe he'd want to play closer to home and he's probably somewhat familiar with Coach Rags.
He's also a athletes in action athlete which Coach Gore is very active in and we've had players like JA, Smits, Micah and others go the trip. He seems like he'd be a natural culture fit here. He seems play more of a wing role then playing inside and rebounding, but that might just be how SJSU coaches wanted to use him.
I just checked his twitter followers and both Smits and Fazekas follow him. He's probably familiar with some of our players from playing in Indiana.
http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/ryan-welage
Stats: http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3906668/ryan-welage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVwIIUadzG0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDYDlQ07SpI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJDHT69O7Jo
Another interesting transfer. If Valpo were to pursue Brady Ellingson it would feel like a Will Bogan add. He's a grad transfer shooting guard who will graduate in the Spring. He was a bench player at Iowa and might be looking for a larger role next season. Not a very athletic player but he's a 2G with a good 3pt shot and has B10 experience. He's not the strongest defender but he was going up against some great athletes in the B10.
Stats: https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/brady-ellingson-1.html
https://twitter.com/drm69/status/976430738869547008
Random but remember John Middleton? The Utah State transfer guard who came in the same class as Bakari and Joe, but transferred last year to a JUCO school a weeks into school? He's looking to move up to D1 again and this is highlight package. There is no way he ends back up at Valpo, nor would we probably have any interest but you can see what the coaching staff saw in him. A very strong and athletic guard.
https://twitter.com/PalmBeachMBB/status/977216127393820672
https://twitter.com/MidMajorScouts/status/978720906179694597
I'd be surprised if he doesn't take a visit to Valpo. He may be the rumored visit this week. Out of that list of school's I think Valpo stands out as the best program and situation at his position.
Possible grad-transfer: Jack Williams (1 year of eligibility left)
https://twitter.com/VerbalCommits/status/977444686649376773
Year: 2014 (RS JR)
Position: PF
Height: 6-8
Weight: 220
Hometown: Porter Ranch, CA
High School: Chaminade College Preparatory School
Rank: 3 star
Stats: https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jack-williams-1.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47gQ9D_dSk4
Quote from: VU2014 on March 19, 2018, 06:18:02 PM
Ryan Welage a native of Greensburg, IN just announced his intentions to transfer from San Diego State. He's a 6-9 stretch 4. He also was recruited by NKU when Valpo assistant David Ragland was on their staff. He's a pretty good player. Check out his stats. He's SJSU's all-time 3pt shooting leader as a junior. He has 1 more year of eligibility left. I'm not sure if he'd be an immediate grad-transfer. He's going to attract a lot of suitors. Maybe he'd want to play closer to home and he's probably somewhat familiar with Coach Rags.
He's also a athletes in action athlete which Coach Gore is very active in and we've had players like JA, Smits, Micah and others go the trip. He seems like he'd be a natural culture fit here. He seems play more of a wing role then playing inside and rebounding, but that might just be how SJSU coaches wanted to use him.
I just checked his twitter followers and both Smits and Fazekas follow him. He's probably familiar with some of our players from playing in Indiana.
http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/ryan-welage
Stats: http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3906668/ryan-welage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVwIIUadzG0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDYDlQ07SpI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJDHT69O7Jo
Doesn't sound like he is headed our way.....https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/2018/04/04/after-3-years-out-west-greensburgs-ryan-welage-looking-transfer-back-east/485134002/
Some significant pieces are transferring away from NKU this offseason. Mason Faulkner (Valpo offered his cousin a scholarship who is a 2018 recruit who committed to NKU. He's also Mr. Kentucky for HS basketball) and Carson Williams is transferring. Both were apart of the program changing recruiting class. Tough blow for NKU. Mason was recruited to NKU while Coach Ragland was still there.
https://twitter.com/dontribunesport/status/981732784560582656
https://twitter.com/dontribunesport/status/981691357520695296
I'm sure the one guy who posts everything on the NKU message board is really upset by this.
What's the expanation?
> NKU won MCM and went to the dance in 2017
> They won the 2018 HL regular season (But got beat in their first game as the #1 seed by CSU - sound familiar?).
> Got great recruiting plaudits and wound up banking talented players for the depth necessary for long-term program success.
> They play in the best campus arena in the HL and in a BB-focused culture.
> The coach has a very good reputation
Why are they leaving???
Quote from: VULB#62 on April 05, 2018, 01:53:09 PM
What's the expanation?
> NKU won MCM and went to the dance in 2017
> They won the 2018 HL regular season (But got beat in their first game as the #1 seed by CSU - sound familiar?).
> Got great recruiting plaudits and wound up banking talented players for the depth necessary for long-term program success.
> They play in the best campus arena in the HL and in a BB-focused culture.
> The coach has a very good reputation
Why are they leaving???
Who knows. Maybe they didn't like school or maybe they saw their role shrinking next season and didn't want to fight for minutes. Both players are Kentucky kids.
Desire to play in a better league?
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on April 05, 2018, 02:14:17 PM
Desire to play in a better league?
Who wouldn't want to play in the 29th ranked conference during the 2017-18 season? ;)
Quote from: VULB#62 on April 05, 2018, 01:53:09 PM
What's the expanation?
> NKU won MCM and went to the dance in 2017
> They won the 2018 HL regular season (But got beat in their first game as the #1 seed by CSU - sound familiar?).
> Got great recruiting plaudits and wound up banking talented players for the depth necessary for long-term program success.
> They play in the best campus arena in the HL and in a BB-focused culture.
> The coach has a very good reputation
Why are they leaving???
As the article intimates, it appears that Faulkner has fallen out of favor with the coaching staff with decreased minutes later in the season. Both his minutes played and PPG were down from his freshman year. Being a prolific scorer in high school, I am sure that he feels he could contribute at a higher rate at a different school.
Think we might be on his radar?
Quote from: FWalum on April 05, 2018, 04:06:01 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on April 05, 2018, 01:53:09 PM
What's the expanation?
> NKU won MCM and went to the dance in 2017
> They won the 2018 HL regular season (But got beat in their first game as the #1 seed by CSU - sound familiar?).
> Got great recruiting plaudits and wound up banking talented players for the depth necessary for long-term program success.
> They play in the best campus arena in the HL and in a BB-focused culture.
> The coach has a very good reputation
Why are they leaving???
As the article intimates, it appears that Faulkner has fallen out of favor with the coaching staff with decreased minutes later in the season. Both his minutes played and PPG were down from his freshman year. Being a prolific scorer in high school, I am sure that he feels he could contribute at a higher rate at a different school.
Not sure we need drama, even if drama can score 15 ppg
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on April 05, 2018, 04:11:00 PM
Quote from: FWalum on April 05, 2018, 04:06:01 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on April 05, 2018, 01:53:09 PM
What's the expanation?
> NKU won MCM and went to the dance in 2017
> They won the 2018 HL regular season (But got beat in their first game as the #1 seed by CSU - sound familiar?).
> Got great recruiting plaudits and wound up banking talented players for the depth necessary for long-term program success.
> They play in the best campus arena in the HL and in a BB-focused culture.
> The coach has a very good reputation
Why are they leaving???
As the article intimates, it appears that Faulkner has fallen out of favor with the coaching staff with decreased minutes later in the season. Both his minutes played and PPG were down from his freshman year. Being a prolific scorer in high school, I am sure that he feels he could contribute at a higher rate at a different school.
Not sure we need drama, even if drama can score 15 ppg
Why not? We took a flier on Burton for the same reasons we might take a flier on Faulkner. As long as there's no legal issues with him I say he's worth a shot.
Local kid Chris Palombizio is leaving Oakland.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on April 05, 2018, 04:38:51 PM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on April 05, 2018, 04:11:00 PM
Quote from: FWalum on April 05, 2018, 04:06:01 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on April 05, 2018, 01:53:09 PM
What's the expanation?
> NKU won MCM and went to the dance in 2017
> They won the 2018 HL regular season (But got beat in their first game as the #1 seed by CSU - sound familiar?).
> Got great recruiting plaudits and wound up banking talented players for the depth necessary for long-term program success.
> They play in the best campus arena in the HL and in a BB-focused culture.
> The coach has a very good reputation
Why are they leaving???
As the article intimates, it appears that Faulkner has fallen out of favor with the coaching staff with decreased minutes later in the season. Both his minutes played and PPG were down from his freshman year. Being a prolific scorer in high school, I am sure that he feels he could contribute at a higher rate at a different school.
Not sure we need drama, even if drama can score 15 ppg
Why not? We took a flier on Burton for the same reasons we might take a flier on Faulkner. As long as there's no legal issues with him I say he's worth a shot.
If you are saying we are ok with one huge swing and a miss most years, sure why not. I thought the forum here was pretty clear on their issue with the Burton attempt though.
This is precisely that, sit one year and then play. So it's really two years of scholarship tie up for one year of play on a guy that was unhappy being a high contributor to his previous team. Sounds like a player I might pass on, admittedly knowing very little about his reasons for transferring at this point.
He took some retarded shots early in the shot clock @ NKU. He was a freshman, however....
Union Street Hoops, where art thou...😉
Faulkner is a fairly talented kid but he isn't on Joe's level, imo. Two different scenarios. I don't think there was much drama with Joe. His teammates loved him but he just couldn't get his grades straightened out. Who knows what the real reason is for Faulkner. I can't remember the last selfish guy we had on our team. Everyone has always been pretty team first guy on our squads in recent years. Maybe Jay Harris would fit in that category? I remember he took some horrendous and ill-advised shots in his time here.
Update on Welage: Add Loyola to the list of schools he's considering...
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/981943123361312770
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on April 05, 2018, 08:25:14 PM
Update on Welage: Add Loyola to the list of schools he's considering...
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/981943123361312770
He's a good player. He has similar skill set and measurable as Fazekas.
If Loyola's involved why aren't we? Guys with size that can shoot are huge for teams. We can never have enough.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on April 05, 2018, 08:55:47 PM
If Loyola's involved why aren't we? Guys with size that can shoot are huge for teams. We can never have enough.
Because they were a final 4 team this year and we were dead last in the conference. Thats why.
Quote from: SanityLost17 on April 06, 2018, 07:16:52 AM
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on April 05, 2018, 08:55:47 PM
If Loyola's involved why aren't we? Guys with size that can shoot are huge for teams. We can never have enough.
Because they were a final 4 team this year and we were dead last in the conference. Thats why.
UNC-Greensboro was a final four team?
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on April 05, 2018, 08:55:47 PM
If Loyola's involved why aren't we? Guys with size that can shoot are huge for teams. We can never have enough.
While I agree; there is an overwhelming number of transfers. This website says 391 transfers total with over 100 graduate transfers. Also note that at this point it is not guaranteed Welage will be eligible immediately.
https://www.verbalcommits.com/transfers/Melvin%20Morgan
Quote from: a3uge on April 06, 2018, 07:20:12 AM
Quote from: SanityLost17 on April 06, 2018, 07:16:52 AM
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on April 05, 2018, 08:55:47 PM
If Loyola's involved why aren't we? Guys with size that can shoot are huge for teams. We can never have enough.
Because they were a final 4 team this year and we were dead last in the conference. Thats why.
UNC-Greensboro was a final four team?
It also just might be the case of the coaches thinking we need to address other areas of the roster for next season. At SDSU Welage was more of a perimeter player then a guy who operated inside which might be the area we want to sure up with some experience. It's not just about adding talent. We need to find the best fits possible.
Quote from: IndyValpo on April 06, 2018, 10:51:10 AM
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on April 05, 2018, 08:55:47 PM
If Loyola's involved why aren't we? Guys with size that can shoot are huge for teams. We can never have enough.
While I agree; there is an overwhelming number of transfers. This website says 391 transfers total with over 100 graduate transfers. Also note that at this point it is not guaranteed Welage will be eligible immediately.
https://www.verbalcommits.com/transfers/Melvin%20Morgan
Refreshing to see that number not continue ballooning each year, though it's still early I suppose (391 this year -vs- around 500 in 2017).
Either way, some transfers each season is healthy but 10-12% of all D1 scholarship players seems high (2017 numbers).
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on April 06, 2018, 11:59:53 AM
Quote from: IndyValpo on April 06, 2018, 10:51:10 AM
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on April 05, 2018, 08:55:47 PM
If Loyola's involved why aren't we? Guys with size that can shoot are huge for teams. We can never have enough.
While I agree; there is an overwhelming number of transfers. This website says 391 transfers total with over 100 graduate transfers. Also note that at this point it is not guaranteed Welage will be eligible immediately.
https://www.verbalcommits.com/transfers/Melvin%20Morgan
Refreshing to see that number not continue ballooning each year, though it's still early I suppose (391 this year -vs- around 500 in 2017).
Either way, some transfers each season is healthy but 10-12% of all D1 scholarship players seems high (2017 numbers).
It's still early. It will probably continue to grow in the coming weeks. We'll probably see more movement after signing day.
Any word on other Valpo transfers, outside of Parker? It would be fantastic if it is just him this season.
Is anybody really surprised at the Palombizio kid leaving? He has been a problem ever since his high school years. Who would ever leave such a great program and a great coach like Oakland and "King" Kampe? :) :)
Mike Davis chose Murray Sate over Valpo.
https://twitter.com/MikeDav1s1/status/982701957990223872
Chris Palumbezio is head case? Not surprising, as like father Dan like son.
Another grad-transfer that would be a homerun is Matt Mooney from South Dakota. Love this kids game. He said he was going to explore his options. I'd be a big fan if we landed a kid of his talent. Plays fundamentally sound ball and has a long range jumper. He's an efficient player. If we're going to go for a guard this offseason he might be a good fit but he might get some high major interest.
Stats: https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/matt-mooney-1.html
https://twitter.com/MoonSwag13/status/981942084851716096
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ydPURFIexE
Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought I heard we showed some interest in Palombizio late in his recruitment process. I don't think we're a fit. I'm hoping if we pursue a RS transfer it would be for someone with higher upside.
Quote from: usc4valpo on April 07, 2018, 02:42:33 PM
Chris Palumbezio is head case? Not surprising, as like father Dan like son.
Not to mention grandfather.
Gramps is much more on the edge then Dan is...now at least.
It sounds like Valpo has talked to UIndy product Tate Hall who would have 2 years eligibility left. I believe he would be red-shirt transfer. Evansville already officially offered him a scholarship.
https://twitter.com/JWReamer/status/983418621094453249
Status: Transferred from Indianapolis
Year: 2016 (SO)
Position: SG
Height: 6-6
Weight: 200
Hometown: Greenfield, IN
High School: Greenfield-Central High School
Twitter handle: @tate_hall41
Stats: http://athletics.uindy.edu/cumestats.aspx?path=mbball&year=2017
High School Highlights: https://www.hudl.com/profile/2274340/Tate-Hall/videos
It looks like Tate is a very strong 3pt shooter (43.6% last season). He has good size for a guard. It's a little concerning that we'd have 8 juniors. That is a monstrous class.
https://twitter.com/tate_hall41/status/981242388189499392
#24
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3EgejocBaY
From what I have heard both the Mooney kid and Tate would be good finds for us.
Quote from: valpo64 on April 09, 2018, 04:44:12 PM
From what I have heard both the Mooney kid and Tate would be good finds for us.
https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/982298960931901440
Unless something significant changes, Mooney is likely out of Valpo's reach.
Quote from: IrishDawg on April 10, 2018, 07:34:29 AM
Quote from: valpo64 on April 09, 2018, 04:44:12 PM
From what I have heard both the Mooney kid and Tate would be good finds for us.
https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/982298960931901440
Unless something significant changes, Mooney is likely out of Valpo's reach.
Agreed if he goes, he is hitting the big time.
Ryan Taylor headed to Northwestern:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/
Loyola to host Nevada:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-loyola-nevada-basketball-20180406-story.html
Unsurprising that they are trying to find immediately eligible guys.
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/984440119527690241
Good to hear that they won't settle. Best fit possible.
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/984440328492118016
UIndy transfer Tate Hall has a visit this weekend! He also has a visit with Loyola... this should be a interesting recruiting battle. Keep the Indiana kid in the state!
https://twitter.com/GrassrootsIND/status/984603487219707906
Quote from: VU2014 on April 12, 2018, 09:18:25 PM
UIndy transfer Tate Hall has a visit this weekend! He also has a visit with Loyola... this should be a interesting recruiting battle. Keep the Indiana kid in the state!
https://twitter.com/GrassrootsIND/status/984603487219707906
Anyone seen video on Tate? Know anything about him? What class size is Greenfield Central High in b-ball?
MaxPreps has him with the following high school averages which don't overwhelm:
FG% 51% (ok)
3-pt% 37% (ok)
FT% 69% (crap)
APG 1.5 / TO 0.9 (bad ratio for high school)
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on April 13, 2018, 06:23:42 AM
Anyone seen video on Tate? Know anything about him? What class size is Greenfield Central High in b-ball?
MaxPreps has him with the following high school averages which don't overwhelm:
FG% 51% (ok)
3-pt% 37% (ok)
FT% 69% (crap)
APG 1.5 / TO 0.9 (bad ratio for high school)
There isn't much UIndy tape. He has a few highlights on his hudl from HS but you can't tell much from them other then that he's a shooter. He doesn't appear to be a super athletic guy but he's good shooter with size.
Quote from: VU2014 on April 09, 2018, 02:43:58 PM
Stats: http://athletics.uindy.edu/cumestats.aspx?path=mbball&year=2017
High School Highlights: https://www.hudl.com/profile/2274340/Tate-Hall/videos
It looks like Tate is a very strong 3pt shooter (43.6% last season). He has good size for a guard.
https://twitter.com/tate_hall41/status/981242388189499392
#24
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3EgejocBaY
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on April 13, 2018, 06:23:42 AMAnyone seen video on Tate? Know anything about him? What class size is Greenfield Central High in b-ball?
MaxPreps has him with the following high school averages which don't overwhelm:
FG% 51% (ok)
3-pt% 37% (ok)
FT% 69% (crap)
APG 1.5 / TO 0.9 (bad ratio for high school)
Not a whole lot of video that I could find other than his Hudl account. Greenfield-Central is a 4A program that was 20-5 and ranked 58th in the state by Sagarin his Senior year. I am a little surprised by the interest, especially Loyola because it would seem that the jump from a good DII player (Tate Hall UIndy Career Stats (http://athletics.uindy.edu/roster.aspx?rp_id=7887)) to MVC level DI is a little much to expect if we are looking for impact players. On the other hand I have no real knowledge of this player and have to believe that the coaches know what they are doing if we are pursuing him.
There have been some good transfers up from the D2 levels in the past but it is rare. Example: Max Strus played his first 2 seasons at Lewis and then transferred up to DePaul two years ago. Strus was DePaul's leading scorer last season and was one their best player.
Strus Lewis Stats: http://www.lewisflyers.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=4940
Strus DePaul Stats: http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4065778/max-strus
When you compare Hall's stats at the D2 level to Strus', you can make the case Hall was a more efficient scorer and the better shooter. He didn't take the same volume of shots Strus did though.
http://athletics.uindy.edu/roster.aspx?rp_id=7887
It sounds like Valpo officially offered Tate Hall this weekend, as did Loyola. Loyola seems to be highly involved in the transfer market this offseason. I have to think that recent tourney run is going to help them. It sounds like Tate would be a nice pick up for us.
He'd red-shirt next season (2018-19): Red-Shirt
2019-20 Season: (potentially Tate Hall's Junior year)
SG: Golder (Sr.), JFL (So.),
SF: Fazekas (Sr. (maybe he's a PF?)), Kiser (Sr.)
2020-21 Season: (potentially Tate Hall's Senior year)
SG: JFL (Jr.)
SF: 0
2020-21 could be a ugly season with all the Seniors graduating the year before... but Tate would definitely have a chance to play significant minutes his senior year. Even his Junior year he'd probably get the chance to play a significant role if he could play a swing role as a 2-3. He certainly has the size to play the 3.
https://twitter.com/MikeLewisCoach/status/985675355200671744
It will be an interesting to see if campus environment will be a factor.
LUC = Urban Chicago. VS. Valpo = Semi-Rural/Suburban.
UIndy is located in the Indianapolis south suburbs and is surrounded by a residential neigborhood of single family dwellings. He grew up in Greenfield (population 21,709) only about 25 miles due east of there.
Valpo is closer to his present comfort zone, but he may be looking for a complete change in his life and the allure of the big city.
As far as UNC-Greensboro, they are in the reigning SoCon (#16 RPI Conference vs, MVC #8) tournament champs, have 13K undergrads and the campus environment is kind of in-between Valpo's and an urban campus. It's also far from home for his folks.
62 - Loyola is located is a pretty nice neighborhood and borders some very nice Chicago suburbs. I dont think he will go through culture shock.
That's certainly true about the N. Sheridan Rd. area. Been there. The Chicago north side neighborhoods are all really cool. But it is still the city and contrasts markedly from Valpo's environment. Not thinking 'shock' so much as 'different'. Good personal example to illustrate: I spent over 40 yars living in the crowded Boston area. I have lived outside Green Bay now for the last 5 years. I used to enjoy the crowded, energetic surroundings in the city and the close-in suburbs. Not anymore -- I now crave open space and actually feel closed in when I visit my old haunts. It could work the opposite way as well. I'm just wondering how much the campus and surrounding environment will enter into his decision. It might just come down to anticipated minutes once he's eleigible regardless of the school, urban or not.
Another MVC team that could be a serious contender to land Hall is Evansville. They might not be a winning program the next few seasons but they're main selling point would probably be playing time.
I wonder how much the glut of Juniors is impacting us on the recruiting trail especially in the backcourt with 2 freshman guards coming in. We should be able to offer transfer PF's on playing time availability for next season. Landing impact wings might be a tougher task. I think we could use another guy with the versatility to play the 2-3.
Is it me or are the guys we're in on not terribly exciting? Jack Williams only shot 33% last year from 3 I'm looking for a bot better from a stretch 4 and I too have my concerns about this kid coming up from D2. At least he seems like a decent shooter and the fact that another conference member is in on him makes me feel better. Of the two I have more confidence in the D2 transfer.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on April 16, 2018, 02:08:11 PM
Is it me or are the guys we're in on not terribly exciting? Jack Williams only shot 33% last year from 3 I'm looking for a bot better from a stretch 4 and I too have my concerns about this kid coming up from D2. At least he seems like a decent shooter and the fact that another conference member is in on him makes me feel better. Of the two I have more confidence in the D2 transfer.
I talked to a friend (not a basketball expert fwiw) who is a UIndy alum and watches a lot of their games and I asked him about Tate and he said he's a shooter but is also a solid rebounder. Apparently the UIndy offense really spreads it around and tries to get everyone involved. He wasn't the focal point of the offense but probably would have been next season with them 2 of their top scorers. Clearly a lot of coaches like what they've seen in his game. Need to trust the coaches. They've seen a lot more tape on him then any of us and they're the real professionals. I like that we're going after shooters that can knock down shots.
Jack Williams shot (1.6-4.0) 39.1% from 3 the season before. Maybe it was just a off season? Maybe the coaches also think there is some unlocked potential there. His FT% is what bothered me. Only 64.2%. Not great. eFG%: 46.7. PER: 10.7
Jack Williams won't be a Valparaiso Crusader.
I sure hope we don't settle with these 3 open scholarships just because we need to fill out the roster... We need help at PF.
https://twitter.com/_Jwilly32/status/985968478241738753
Somebody please tell me why this guy hasn't been brought in for a visit.
http://verbalcommits.com/players/messiah-jones
Quote from: VU2014 on April 16, 2018, 02:29:20 PMQuote from: VUGrad1314 on April 16, 2018, 02:08:11 PMIs it me or are the guys we're in on not terribly exciting? Jack Williams only shot 33% last year from 3 I'm looking for a bot better from a stretch 4 and I too have my concerns about this kid coming up from D2. At least he seems like a decent shooter and the fact that another conference member is in on him makes me feel better. Of the two I have more confidence in the D2 transfer.
I talked to a friend (not a basketball expert fwiw) who is a UIndy alum and watches a lot of their games and I asked him about Tate and he said he's a shooter but is also a solid rebounder. Apparently the UIndy offense really spreads it around and tries to get everyone involved. He wasn't the focal point of the offense but probably would have been next season with them 2 of their top scorers. Clearly a lot of coaches like what they've seen in his game. Need to trust the coaches. They've seen a lot more tape on him then any of us and they're the real professionals. I like that we're going after shooters that can knock down shots. Jack Williams shot (1.6-4.0) 39.1% from 3 the season before. Maybe it was just a off season? Maybe the coaches also think there is some unlocked potential there. His FT% is what bothered me. Only 64.2%. Not great. eFG%: 46.7. PER: 10.7
That skillset makes me think he's the Will Bogan\ Matt Kenney type we've been seeking. The way you describe the offense he's comfortable running in makes me think he's a tailor made fit for Loyola. Of course maybe Loyola is more focused on Nixon right now so we can swoop in and get him by making him a priority.
You can't beat scenic Missoula.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on April 16, 2018, 08:43:15 PM
Somebody please tell me why this guy hasn't been brought in for a visit.
http://verbalcommits.com/players/messiah-jones
Would that mean he could deliver us to the Promised Land. Sorry, too easy...
Isn't there a unwritten rule that you don't recruit kids from teams you just played? Oh well. I wish Marty never left but I wish him well.
https://twitter.com/AlexRileySN/status/988559909850673152
Quote from: VU2014 on April 23, 2018, 07:15:47 PM
Isn't there a unwritten rule that you don't recruit kids from teams you just played? Oh well. I wish Marty never left but I wish him well.
https://twitter.com/AlexRileySN/status/988559909850673152
Didn't we play SLU the season Keith Carter transfered to VU?
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on April 23, 2018, 07:18:30 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on April 23, 2018, 07:15:47 PM
Isn't there a unwritten rule that you don't recruit kids from teams you just played? Oh well. I wish Marty never left but I wish him well.
https://twitter.com/AlexRileySN/status/988559909850673152
Didn't we play SLU the season Keith Carter transfered to VU?
Good point, but Keith's situation as everyone knows was a bit different with him being a Rick Majerus recruit and him passing away and Crews not letting him take a red-shirt and all.
Good luck Marty. I hope the redshirt year helps you grow.
QUESTION: Can a player request to be redshirted? Might Marty and Valpo both have benefitted with him redshirting at Valpo instead of at UNCW?
Illinois State adds another:
https://twitter.com/boettger_eli/status/988585034134110208
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on April 24, 2018, 12:19:50 AM
Illinois State adds another:
https://twitter.com/boettger_eli/status/988585034134110208
Anyone else happy to see our league mates landing solid recruits? The tide rises all ships, I think it only helps us build stronger and consistent VU teams that can compete in later rounds of the NCAA Tournament. I'm coming around to the idea that we might have less % of years qualifying for NCAA's but better and real runs past the Round of 64 are coveted.
As it stands now, since 2001, we've only had a couple teams that were Round 32 capabale despite our great Mid-Con/Summit/HL league game successes.
Keep killing it ISU and Loyola!
Agreed, FieldGoodie05. We want the whole league to be good.
Anyone see the 3 UWM transfers?
https://twitter.com/Todd_Rosiak/status/988486309399420928
If Brock Stull is a grad-transfer he'd be a very nice pick up. He was their leading scorer last season but wasn't the most effective season (new coaching staff maybe?). He brings good size at the position.
Career Stats: G: 96 PTS: 10.1 TRB: 4.5 AST: 2.3 FG%: 41.4 FG3%: 37.8 FT%: 77.0 eFG%: 49.8 PER: 15.3
Bell - 6-0 - 171, G = 14.1 ppg (JR) - 38.3% - 3FG
Stull - 6-4 - 195, G = 13.4 ppg, 4.8 rpg (RJR) - 37.9% - 3FG
Nze - 6-7 - 230, F = 10.3 ppg (SO) - 8.5 rpg and recorded 48 blocks to lead UWM (Jay was our leader with 32)
Yes we need to be in on these guys.
I like Stull and Bell but I think Nze is the real prize. He's not a stretch 4 but his rebounding and shotblocking assuming he can still average 1 or so per game in the MVC which I believe he can will go a long way toward turning some of those close losses into wins. I feel like we need more rebounding more urgently than we need more shooting though we can use both so the kid from IPFW someone mentioned awhile back appeals to me as well.
Colorado State transfer (and target of Illinois State and Loyola) Prentiss Nixon has committed to Iowa State. He led the Rams in scoring last year. Had to believe he wasn't coming to either MVC school after the Redbirds and Ramblers opted for Hillsman and Hall respectively. Okay it's our turn now. Time to step up and grab some talent.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on April 24, 2018, 11:57:26 AM
I like Stull and Bell but I think Nze is the real prize. He's not a stretch 4 but his rebounding and shotblocking assuming he can still average 1 or so per game in the MVC which I believe he can will go a long way toward turning some of those close losses into wins. I feel like we need more rebounding more urgently than we need more shooting though we can use both so the kid from IPFW someone mentioned awhile back appeals to me as well.
Agree on Nze: FG% is 57.6%. Biggest deficiency is FTs - 48.1%. As mentioned previously, it would be great if Stull was a grad xfer, too.
It sounds like they want to play high-major level, which may take us out of the running. The Horizon League was basically a low-major conference in terms of quality last season. Historically bad for the conference. Maybe going from a now low-major (HL) to one of the top Mid-Major Conferences (MVC) would be appealing.
I'm not sure any of the 3 are starting quality high-major level players, maybe Bell. They'd likely be depth players depending on where they land.
https://twitter.com/Todd_Rosiak/status/988519063549771776
We can't win if we're not in. We need to at least try to get in on them. As we all learned this past year the MVC is a sizeable step up from the HL. I'm sure it would appeal to them especially if they can find minutes here which I believe would be very possible for Nze and maybe even for the guards as well since we're looking for a combination of talent and leadership. Anyone who can navigate decently through the situation that Milwaukee and the HL as a whole present has to be a good leader. As bad as things were the Panthers didn't totally fall apart. That's a credit to their coaching staff and to the players. They can join my team anytime.
Live look inside Milwaukee's BBall Offices
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Quote from: NativeCheesehead on April 24, 2018, 01:01:24 PM
Live look inside Milwaukee's BBall Offices
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Live look at the Horizon League
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Wow didn't see this one coming. Nice pick up for uwm. Lucas is a mke native.
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/988873049054306304
Quote from: VU2014 on April 24, 2018, 01:20:26 PM
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on April 24, 2018, 01:01:24 PM
Live look inside Milwaukee's BBall Offices
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Live look at the Horizon League
(https://i.imgur.com/CPsRNe8.gif)
I really can't believe this, how the Titans have fallen!!! Detroit Mercy one of five DI schools without basketball coach (https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/2018/04/23/detroit-mercy-one-five-di-schools-without-basketball-coach/34178091/)
So glad we are no longer in the HL.
Good article but only need to read the last paragraph
The Titans aren't the only Horizon League men's team dealing with significant challenges. The Milwaukee and Youngstown State programs are among those losing several players, and many of them key players, to transfers. Oakland, a perennial preseason favorite, also is bracing for a down year after the loss for several key redshirt seniors. All this comes after a year in which the Horizon League was 26th in RPI, seventh-worst in the country, following the departure of Valparaiso to the Missouri Valley Conference.
It seems like most people forgot the UNCW connection with Coach Manuel. I have to believe that Lottich might have helped with this one?
Quote from: valpotx on April 24, 2018, 11:28:50 PM
It seems like most people forgot the UNCW connection with Coach Manuel. I have to believe that Lottich might have helped with this one?
Pretty sure we landed Sorolla for that very reason. Seem to remember it was down to UNCW and Valpo for Jaume.
And the trend continues. Even though he's transferring, marten linssen picked up for minor consuming over the weekend.
I don't mean to sound impatient but is anyone else getting just a little bit concerned that we're still on 3 open spots with no rumored targets really to speak of? Is it possible coach is waiting too long for his "home runs" and is letting perfectly good even starter caliber players go on to other schools while his perfect fits may never come?
Worried? Why should we... after all there still are several 5-star recruits who as yet have not chosen a school for next fall, although R Langford will announce his choice tonight.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on April 30, 2018, 03:21:20 PM
I don't mean to sound impatient but is anyone else getting just a little bit concerned that we're still on 3 open spots with no rumored targets really to speak of? Is it possible coach is waiting too long for his "home runs" and is letting perfectly good even starter caliber players go on to other schools while his perfect fits may never come?
I'm a little concerned. I'm sure they are working the recruiting trail. I know right now most coaching staffs are focusing on the 2019 recruiting class with all the AAU games that began the last few weeks.
I think the lack of immediate playing time availability could be hurting us at certain positions with transfers. With glut of juniors might make it tougher to recruit kids that want to play right away. The Power Forward position is what I'm most concerned about. If we don't land a capable 4 man it will put a lot of pressure Mileek to develop even quicker. I know Golder can play the 4 but it's definitely not ideal. He's best used there when there are certain mismatches that you can exploit.
I'm almost convinced we'll be holding onto one scholarship for a midseason transfer next season, but that's just speculation on my part. It's getting pretty late in the recruitment period. I just don't want the staff to settle for kids that aren't that good and be tied to them for more then 1 season. If we have to settle make sure it's a grad-transfer. I'm actually glad the Staff hasn't settled.
Bakari didn't commit to Valpo till June 10 and Joe Burton didn't commit to Valpo till late-August. So we might be waiting for a while.
Quote from: VU2014 on April 30, 2018, 03:39:03 PMJoe Burton didn't commit to Valpo till late-August. So we might be waiting for a while.
Unfortunately there was a good reason for that we probably should have been paying more attention to so that we wouldn't be looking for a third recruit this off year.
Not sure if it's been put here or if this is the wrong place...the Murphy twins from Griffith are heading to Drake
I posted this in the HL thread but it probably belongs here: Oakland has lost two more to transfer (Isaiah Brock and Julius Palmer) Brock is headed to Grand Valley State No word on where Palmer is going
Quote from: M on April 30, 2018, 03:57:27 PMNot sure if it's been put here or if this is the wrong place...the Murphy twins from Griffith are heading to Drake
Good for them! I was hoping they would land a good D1 offer in a good soos. It appears they have.
In other region/recruiting news Johnny Bernard of Merrillville HS has committed to Eastern Florida State JUCO And Michigan City HS alum ShanQuan Hemphill has committed to play for UW-Green Bay after two years in the JUCO ranks.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on April 30, 2018, 04:01:37 PM
I posted this in the HL thread but it probably belongs here: Oakland has lost two more to transfer (Isaiah Brock and Julius Palmer) Brock is headed to Grand Valley State No word on where Palmer is going
I thought for sure Brock would just retire and start getting his social security checks! ;)
Quote from: valpo64 on April 30, 2018, 03:25:08 PM
Worried? Why should we... after all there still are several 5-star recruits who as yet have not chosen a school for next fall, although R Langford will announce his choice tonight.
News flash: Langford didn't pick Valpo, but he is staying in state.
Lordy that announcement event was cringe inducing. Those adults should be ashamed of using this kid to push themselves into the spotlight. Compared him to Oscar Robertson and Abraham Lincoln.
I love sports. But you've got to keep things in perspective, especially on the high school level. Thank goodness this kid is too good for Maravilla to get his claws into.
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on May 01, 2018, 06:52:15 AM
Lordy that announcement event was cringe inducing. Those adults should be ashamed of using this kid to push themselves into the spotlight. Compared him to Oscar Robertson and Abraham Lincoln.
I love sports. But you've got to keep things in perspective, especially on the high school level. Thank goodness this kid is too good for Maravilla to get his claws into.
From everything I've heard and been told, Romeo is a good kid and definitely wasn't comfortable in the spotlight last night. I can't comment on other adults since I joined the feed of the announcement late and only saw the end of the highlight video and his dad speaking, but his dad was definitely doing exactly what you said. He knew that all eyes were on him and he was going to milk it for all it was worth. They kept saying "we're doing this for the fans", but to me it clearly looked like they were doing it for themselves.
Quote from: IrishDawg on May 01, 2018, 08:46:50 AM
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on May 01, 2018, 06:52:15 AM
Lordy that announcement event was cringe inducing. Those adults should be ashamed of using this kid to push themselves into the spotlight. Compared him to Oscar Robertson and Abraham Lincoln.
I love sports. But you've got to keep things in perspective, especially on the high school level. Thank goodness this kid is too good for Maravilla to get his claws into.
From everything I've heard and been told, Romeo is a good kid and definitely wasn't comfortable in the spotlight last night. I can't comment on other adults since I joined the feed of the announcement late and only saw the end of the highlight video and his dad speaking, but his dad was definitely doing exactly what you said. He knew that all eyes were on him and he was going to milk it for all it was worth. They kept saying "we're doing this for the fans", but to me it clearly looked like they were doing it for themselves.
You guys are in the middle of a discussion that doesn't aeem to have a beginning. I'm lost.
I personally could care less about Romeo Langford or the ridiculous "decision" show they put on yesterday. Also not sure why this convo is happening on the Valpo transfer thread. ???
Quote from: VU2014 on May 01, 2018, 10:10:25 AM
I personally could care less about Romeo Langford or the ridiculous "decision" show they put on yesterday. Also not sure why this convo is happening on the Valpo transfer thread. ???
How much less could you care?
THREAD RESET
What transfers are out there that look like a good fit for Valpo?
My goal would be someone who could shoot for sure but also, I feel like we may really need someone who can step it up on defense with the loss of Tevonn and Max
Quote from: crusader05 on May 01, 2018, 10:51:59 AM
THREAD RESET
What transfers are out there that look like a good fit for Valpo?
My goal would be someone who could shoot for sure but also, I feel like we may really need someone who can step it up on defense with the loss of Tevonn and Max
Wish-list:-experienced grad-transfer PF to add quality depth to go with Mileek
-Future impact level red-shirt transfer. example: Joe Burton but with a less worrisome academic profile (they don't grow on trees)
-I'd love to see us land a 6'5"-6'7" SF that is a dead-eye shooter
-Maybe hold one scholarship for a high level mid-season transfer going into next season.
Quote from: crusader05 on May 01, 2018, 10:51:59 AM
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My wish list is to hear something--anything--about the program. An offer to a transfer an offer to a 2018 recruit an offer to a 2019 recruit scheduling news. A facility upgrade. Anything!
Something about wishing in one hand.....
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on May 01, 2018, 02:50:24 PM
A facility upgrade.
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Quote from: VUGrad1314 on May 01, 2018, 02:50:24 PM
My wish list is to hear something--anything--about the program. An offer to a transfer an offer to a 2018 recruit an offer to a 2019 recruit scheduling news. A facility upgrade. Anything!
Lottich said the other day that Valpo will never have any one and done-s because we need to have experience on our side meaning seniors and on down.
I'm trying. Really trying.
What was this talk on Union Street Hoops about building a Horizon League All Star team? Does that mean we're in on the three guys from Milwaukee? Because that would certainly qualify.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on May 04, 2018, 11:53:14 AM
What was this talk on Union Street Hoops about building a Horizon League All Star team? Does that mean we're in on the three guys from Milwaukee? Because that would certainly qualify.
I think Nze and Bell Valpo could certainly get, though I don't know how much Valpo would need either of them (Bell's a sit one, play one, Nze's a sit one, play two). Stull is going high major somewhere (a lot of that is because he's a grad transfer and doesn't tie down a spot past this year), so don't think he'd be involved in that discussion.
I have strong interest in Nze. He would solve a lot of problems at the 4 for us as we could do defense offense pairings like so:
Nze/Smits
McMillan/Sorolla
Mix in some Fazekas and Golder at the four for certain matchups and suddenly the frontcourt becomes a strength. We'd still need a grad transfer for this year though. There looked to be appealing options from Colorado UMASS and USF on a list I saw (hat tip to VU2014 for that list) and there's also the kid from IPFW whose name I forget.
Bell has said he wants to be closer to his family in Louisville and while Valpo certainly qualifies in relation to Milwaukee there would be other closer options in our conference.
Paul's podcast seemed to hint there might be a chance a former Horizon League player might be a transfer possibility. If I had to guess that individual would be Brock Stull from UWM.
I would have a good laugh at the reactions UWM fans would have to see one of their best senior players join Valpo as a grad-transfer lol.
http://www.nwitimes.com/digital/audio/union-street-hoops/podcast-union-street-hoops-the-steve-helm-episode/article_8ae7d1b4-4f0f-11e8-9e91-b3607424351c.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsuYafe2rWU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn-obJ3RoWc
From a Corey Smith tweet:
UW-Milwaukee grad transfer Brock Stull (@Brock_Stull) said NC State, Xavier, Minnesota, LSU, Boston College, Wichita State, Butler and Valparaiso were among the teams that have reached out.
4:03 PM - Apr 25, 2018
So, it will come down to where he will get the most minutes. Or will it come down to where he feels the most comfortable? Nah, being a pessimist when it comes to college basketball, I go for the minutes. BUT, I bet he would have a great last year experience at Valpo — hell, he's not gonna get drafted or anything.
Fingers crossed he picks us. He'd be a really nice pick up for us and he'd probably play a big role next season. I'm not sure he'd play quite as significant a role at the other larger schools.
Paul said on the podcast a potential "all-star horizon league team". I did a little digging and keep the name Braun Hartfield in mind. He was a 6-6 G/F sophomore at YSU last season. He decided to transfer from YSU this offseason. Braun led the Horizon League in steals and steals per game last season.
Stats: GP: 32/PPG: 13.6/FG%: 42.7/3PT%: 35.0/FT%: 62.2/RPG: 4.3/AST: 2.6/eFG%: 49.6/ PER: 16.2
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/braun-hartfield-1.html
That free throw percentage is concerning, but if he did end up at Valpo I'd hope that could be worked on during his Red Shirt year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=120CU3QXFzM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s6KhEsdguw
Quote from: VULB#62 on May 04, 2018, 07:25:13 PMSo, it will come down to where he will get the most minutes. Or will it come down to where he feels the most comfortable?
Is my memory of him being a 3 who played some 2 correct or was he mainly a 2? If so would our surplus of potential 3's (Fazekas, Golder, Evelyn) limit his expectations for sufficient playing time?
Stull should be able to find a good landing place but is Valpo the best fit?
Quote from: justducky on May 04, 2018, 08:50:04 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on May 04, 2018, 07:25:13 PMSo, it will come down to where he will get the most minutes. Or will it come down to where he feels the most comfortable?
Is my memory of him being a 3 who played some 2 correct or was he mainly a 2? If so would our surplus of potential 3's (Fazekas, Golder, Evelyn) limit his expectations for sufficient playing time?
Stull should be able to find a good landing place but is Valpo the best fit?
I think we are overstocked at SG if Stull chooses VU. Great grit player, but not certain he gets a lot of benefit playing for us. Might be in his best interest to find minutes elsewhere.
Also, is Braun not overly thin for a bruising league like the MVC.
Guys trust me, Stull is good enough to play a nice role here. He's a pretty versatile player and a very good rebounder. It's no secret that UWM has been a mess the last couple years. He has played for 3 different head coaches. His strongest year was his Sophomore year.
From a Valpo perspective it's hard to see any downside to adding Stull for 1 season. Whether he starts or comes off the bench, plays 15 minutes or 30, or plays the 2 or 3, it's all good. Lack of depth killed us 2 seasons ago when we lost Jubril, and then Alec went down. It bit us in the butt again this past season when Joe was dismissed and the Freshmen and Sophomores struggled.
From Stull's standpoint, exactly who on Valpo's roster would he be intimidated by? Micah Bradford who put up absolutely awful numbers for the past 2 years? 2 incoming Freshmen who have yet to play their first collegiate game? This is a guy who averaged almost 14 PPG over the past 2 seasons. He's a proven entity who earned his minutes on the court over 3 years. There's not a doubt in my mind he would play a significant role on next year's team and make a positive impact. Sounds like a win-win to me.
Stull comes from Rockford Boylan, a catholic school. I don't know if that favors Xavier or Boston College but since he first chose Milwaukee probably not and my thought is, like Brandon Wood, he will go for the P5 public school if they say the right things.
VUMBB, please, please just give us fans the signing of A) a difference maker, if only for just one year, or if that is not possible B) a complementary player who will glue our team together.
Quote from: VULB#62 on May 05, 2018, 08:22:31 PM
VUMBB, please, please just give us fans the signing of A) a difference maker, if only for just one year, or if that is not possible B) a complementary player who will glue our team together.
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Homer (the cartoon Homer - but maybe the real one too) and I are of one accord.
Quote from: VULB#62 on May 05, 2018, 08:22:31 PM
VUMBB, please, please just give us fans the signing of A) a difference maker, if only for just one year, or if that is not possible B) a complementary player who will glue our team together.
Bryson is only 3 years old, so it might be awhile.
One thing that might play in our favor in Brock Stull's recruitment is the very close friendship between Coach Lottich and UWM's Coach Townsend. I believe Coach Townsend is the longest UWM tenured college coach Brock has had. Relationships mean so much in recruiting. Maybe that will play a positive role for us.
It sounds like he has visited Xavier and he may visit Minnesota.
https://twitter.com/RyanJamesMN/status/992956878492717057
https://twitter.com/Marcus_R_Fuller/status/992961921019273217
Minnesota is where Rob Jeter presently works as an assistant. He recruited Stull. That relationship,location, high major status, and his immediate eligibility make it a good fit for both sides. I'd consider Minnesota a huge threat to sign Stull, even perhaps his most likely landing spot.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on May 06, 2018, 02:54:05 PM
Minnesota is where Rob Jeter presently works as an assistant. He recruited Stull. That relationship,location, high major status, and his immediate eligibility make it a good fit for both sides. I'd consider Minnesota a huge threat to sign Stull, even perhaps his most likely landing spot.
That is true but he'd probably be coming off the bench on that Minnesota team. Apparently Virginia and Butler have reached out as well. I think Valpo's main selling point would be the role he'd likely play here, which probably wouldn't be available at the P6 teams. If he struggles in his first few games here, he wouldn't get buried on the bench. I actually think we have a shot to land Stull even if there are some high major programs showing interest.
I could see a starting 5 of:
PG: Bakari
SG: JFL
G/F: Stull
PF: McMillan
C: Smits
I could see us running with this starting lineup and playing with Golder as the key reserve that basically plays starter minutes. I know the staff liked bringing Golder off the bench last season because of the energy and they could sub him in to create certain mismatches. Golder talent-wise probably deserves to start but that's where recruiting minimal ego and team guys come into play. You don't need to be a starter to know your worth and importance to the team.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on May 04, 2018, 09:02:51 PMAlso, is Braun not overly thin for a bruising league like the MVC.
Maybe but isn't that what the transfer year is for? I'll take a high level 3+D player with quick hands who can get into passing lanes and disrupt the opposing offense.
Quote from: VU2014 on May 06, 2018, 03:08:17 PM
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on May 06, 2018, 02:54:05 PM
Minnesota is where Rob Jeter presently works as an assistant. He recruited Stull. That relationship,location, high major status, and his immediate eligibility make it a good fit for both sides. I'd consider Minnesota a huge threat to sign Stull, even perhaps his most likely landing spot.
That is true but he'd probably be coming off the bench on that Minnesota team. Apparently Virginia and Butler have reached out as well. I think Valpo's main selling point would be the role he'd likely play here, which probably wouldn't be available at the P6 teams. If he struggles in his first few games here, he wouldn't get buried on the bench. I actually think we have a shot to land Stull even if there are some high major programs showing interest.
I could see a starting 5 of:
PG: Bakari
SG: JFL
G/F: Stull
PF: McMillan
C: Smits
I could see us running with this starting lineup and playing with Golder as the key reserve that basically plays starter minutes. I know the staff liked bringing Golder off the bench last season because of the energy and they could sub him in to create certain mismatches. Golder talent-wise probably deserves to start but that's where recruiting minimal ego and team guys come into play. You don't need to be a starter to know your worth and importance to the team.
Um, two words...Ryan Fazekas. Please explain how he doesn't start and play lots of minutes. I really don't think an ESPN 4 star will be riding the pines.
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/189728/ryan-fazekas
"Everyone's going to tell you they want the right fit, but that's obvious. I want to win. I want to make the NCAA Tournament." — @Brock_Stull on what will factor into his transfer decision - Quote from a Pack Pride article.
So assuming playing time and whether he's coming off the bench isn't an issue for Stull, Valpo needs to sell him on the fact that despite the last place finish last season, they're likely going to win the MVC and make the tournament. It can happen, and based on the roster the Crusaders have next year, it's not impossible to see it happening with a guy like Stull on the roster.
The issue is that schools like Xavier make the tournament basically every year, and he'd have more competition for playing time there with Kyle Castlin (grad transfer from Columbia) and Naji Marshall, but there are still going to be plenty of minutes available at the 2 and 3 spots at Xavier next season.
Good Lord, how did I forget about Ryan? :-[ Yeah slip Ryan into the SF position as a starter. Stull could probably play 1-3. I remember him handling the 1 a couple times. Regardless I think Stull would play a nice role on this team and would get some good minutes.
If a guaranteed Tournament bid is the main priority for him then maybe we aren't the best choice for him. I think we should have a competitive team next season but I wouldn't put money on anyone in the MVC being a lock as a tourney team. It's just really tough at the mid-major level. There are some teams that are showing interest that should have pretty good shots to be tourney teams, but his role would probably be reduced from what it would be here. At Valpo he'd be treated as more then just good depth.
It's tough to make the tournament as a mid but I don't think it's impossible. Illinois State is putting together a great schedule and has an extremely deep and talented roster. I think they should have a great shot at an at-large. Loyola may as well depending on their schedule. I don't see them taking much of a step back. SIU should be really good if healthy,; Bradley should have a great team. UNI always schedules well and should be better than last year though I think they're a year away from really making noise. Missouri State still has plenty of talent. Indiana State and our Crusaders are on the way up in schedule and roster quality. Drake and Evansville will be fine and I don't think either will be as bad as many think. I can definitely see two bids. Three under perfect circumstances is possible.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on May 06, 2018, 09:23:48 PM
It's tough to make the tournament as a mid but I don't think it's impossible. Illinois State is putting together a great schedule and has an extremely deep and talented roster. I think they should have a great shot at an at-large. Loyola may as well depending on their schedule. I don't see them taking much of a step back. SIU should be really good if healthy,; Bradley should have a great team. UNI always schedules well and should be better than last year though I think they're a year away from really making noise. Missouri State still has plenty of talent. Indiana State and our Crusaders are on the way up in schedule and roster quality. Drake and Evansville will be fine and I don't think either will be as bad as many think. I can definitely see two bids. Three under perfect circumstances is possible.
Three is not even remotely possible and two is a long shot. Win and you're in...
Did we not just see the A10 a conference with lower overall metrics than the MVC this past year get three bids? Why can't it be us next year?What's stopping Illinois State Loyola and SIU from doing what Rhode Island St Bonaventure and Davidson just did? The only thing I can think of is perception and a big reason the MVC has a lower perception than the A10 is that too many folks in prominent positions in the MVC have broadcast that same message. If you think you've lost in this climate you already have. Where are the people willing to stand and fight for this conference which just made a final four and for mid majors in general?
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on May 07, 2018, 05:59:47 AM
Did we not just see the A10 a conference with lower overall metrics than the MVC this past year get three bids? Why can't it be us next year?What's stopping Illinois State Loyola and SIU from doing what Rhode Island St Bonaventure and Davidson just did? The only thing I can think of is perception and a big reason the MVC has a lower perception than the A10 is that too many folks in prominent positions in the MVC have broadcast that same message. If you think you've lost in this climate you already have. Where are the people willing to stand and fight for this conference which just made a final four and for mid majors in general?
Has the MVC ever gotten 3 bids and I'd so how many times?
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on May 07, 2018, 05:59:47 AM
Did we not just see the A10 a conference with lower overall metrics than the MVC this past year get three bids? Why can't it be us next year?What's stopping Illinois State Loyola and SIU from doing what Rhode Island St Bonaventure and Davidson just did? The only thing I can think of is perception and a big reason the MVC has a lower perception than the A10 is that too many folks in prominent positions in the MVC have broadcast that same message. If you think you've lost in this climate you already have. Where are the people willing to stand and fight for this conference which just made a final four and for mid majors in general?
Teams make the final 4, not conferences, just like teams make the tournament, not conferences. The A-10 had 3 teams in because Rhode Island had a good non-conference strength of schedule and no bad losses, and St. Bonaventure won most of their big non-conference games (@Syracuse, @Buffalo, Vermont and Maryland at Neutral sites) and other than their opener against Niagara didn't have any bad losses, and Davidson won the conference tourney. The WCC as a league is atrocious overall, but they get multiple bids because their teams at the top are good enough to get in, and don't lose games they shouldn't within league play. If the Illinois States, Loyolas, etc. win their important OOC games on the schedule and keep the bad losses to a minimum, they'll be able to get in next year as an at-large. If they don't, they won't. UNI was actually in pretty decent shape coming out of their non-conference schedule last year, but when you start conference play 0-5, that's a big hole to climb out of.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on May 07, 2018, 07:27:36 AM
Has the MVC ever gotten 3 bids and I'd so how many times?
Twice in the last 17 years (2005, and 2006 where they actually had 4 bids).
Quote from: IrishDawg on May 07, 2018, 07:57:08 AM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on May 07, 2018, 07:27:36 AM
Has the MVC ever gotten 3 bids and I'd so how many times?
Twice in the last 17 years (2005, and 2006 where they actually had 4 bids).
As I recall, the selection committee relied almost exclusively on RPI back in those days. In fact, the MVC was accused by the high major world of "gaming the system." There was far less emphasis in those days on SOS, signature wins, and bad losses. For example, Illinois State (left out season before last) would have been a shoe-in at-large back then. The same for Valpo's NIT runner-up team.
Quote from: wh on May 07, 2018, 11:45:58 AM
Quote from: IrishDawg on May 07, 2018, 07:57:08 AM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on May 07, 2018, 07:27:36 AM
Has the MVC ever gotten 3 bids and I'd so how many times?
Twice in the last 17 years (2005, and 2006 where they actually had 4 bids).
As I recall, the selection committee relied almost exclusively on RPI back in those days. In fact, the MVC was accused by the high major world of "gaming the system." There was far less emphasis in those days on SOS, signature wins, and bad losses. For example, Illinois State (left out season before last) would have been a shoe-in at-large back then. The same for Valpo's NIT runner-up team.
Thanks for driving home my suspisions. I think 3-bids for the MVC of today in the at-large process (today) is just not all that likely.
I'm thinking it's win the conference tournament or go to the NIT. Schedule tough to prepare for our league and let the chips fall where they may. Sounds like we are doing the tougher scheduling for next year (to be applauded) and let's rock!
It's a 2 1/2 hour drive from Indy (Gordon's hometown) to Valparaiso. He's going to be a sit one, play 2 guy. He's a former Indiana All-Star and the brother of Eric Gordon. There is some upside here. He didn't get much playing time at Seton Hall until some injuries thrust him into a bigger role and actually played pretty well. I've heard he's a great kid and very humble.
https://twitter.com/NJHoopsHaven/status/991027048708804609
He can't transfer to Butler because they have a conference rule against in-conference transfers. I also don't see him being a fit on Indiana (no scholarships) or Purdue's roster. Notre Dame didn't initially offer.
Stats: https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/eron-gordon-1.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHsUNc2vbrw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YJhrh8K37g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iXHsGWXsLE
I'm not sure I go after Eron Gordon if I'm coach. It's not a position of great need such to alienate JFL and Golder who are both already on board.
I get he'd be a great get, but am I crazy?
I think Bakari could play off the ball pretty well. Golder can play the 3 and even the 4 in certain situations. You can never have too much backcourt talent. But I do agree that I think there are other areas of more pressing needs: PF and maybe another SF.
As well as the Monmouth team that beat Notre Dame, UCLA, USC, Georgetown, & Rutgers.
The difference then and now is P6 members didn't makeup half the committee guaranteeing them control over criteria, PR, and selections.
Anybody else beginning to think that we have our stretch 4 on the roster already in Fazekas?
Also as far as Gordon is concerned we owe it to ourselves our conference and mid majors as a whole to bring in the best players we can. If he's interested and the coaching staff thinks he's a difference maker then we should pursue him. We can sort the positions out later as we have plenty of flexibility and numerous lineup combinations we can deploy.
Quote from: VU2014 on May 07, 2018, 09:45:58 PMI think Bakari could play off the ball pretty well. Golder can play the 3 and even the 4 in certain situations. You can never have too much backcourt talent. But I do agree that I think there are other areas of more pressing needs: PF and maybe another SF.
Didn't Bakari play some of his best games off ball; and by contrast wasn't Bradford at his best on ball?
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on May 08, 2018, 01:10:17 AMAlso as far as Gordon is concerned we owe it to ourselves our conference and mid majors as a whole to bring in the best players we can. If he's interested and the coaching staff thinks he's a difference maker then we should pursue him. We can sort the positions out later as we have plenty of flexibility and numerous lineup combinations we can deploy.
We also need more NBA connections on the team. We used to have Drew, Powell, Levingston-Simon and Smits but now we're down to only Smits.
Freeman-Liberty as well, no?
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on May 08, 2018, 01:31:01 AM
Freeman-Liberty as well, no?
You are correct. Thanks for the quick fix. I feel much better now.
Jeremiah Bell commits to UAB
https://thedailydragon.com/2018/05/09/uab-picks-up-big-commitment-from-the-transfer-market/
This feels like a player we could have had. I'm getting impatient. Whoever we sign better be amazing if we're waiting this long.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on May 09, 2018, 07:47:15 PM
Jeremiah Bell commits to UAB
https://thedailydragon.com/2018/05/09/uab-picks-up-big-commitment-from-the-transfer-market/
This feels like a player we could have had. I'm getting impatient. Whoever we sign better be amazing if we're waiting this long.
I think they are coming. We're in on some guys. I'm guessing at least one of Stull, Hartfield, and Gordon will be on the team. We also just offered a 2018 high school kid.
I would take all three of them. I would also like to see Nze as future frontcourt depth. Maybe keep one open in case a great unforeseen opportunity comes forth. But if we can get three good players especially if at least two of them can be solid longterm pieces acting now is the prudent move.
Whole bunch of Valpo related folks following Eron Gordon.... ???
https://twitter.com/EronGordon1/followers (https://twitter.com/EronGordon1/followers)
Quote from: valpo84 on May 10, 2018, 09:09:45 AM
Whole bunch of Valpo related folks following Eron Gordon.... ???
https://twitter.com/EronGordon1/followers (https://twitter.com/EronGordon1/followers)
It's not just a rumor. They've reached out.
Quote from: VU2014 on May 10, 2018, 09:28:22 AM
Quote from: valpo84 on May 10, 2018, 09:09:45 AM
Whole bunch of Valpo related folks following Eron Gordon.... ???
https://twitter.com/EronGordon1/followers (https://twitter.com/EronGordon1/followers)
It's not just a rumor. They've reached out.
Eron was a high profile player coming out of high school, but for whatever reason had limited success at SH over 2 years:
http://m.espn.com/ncb/playerstats?playerId=4065815
Actually, his stats aren't much different than Cory's after 2 years at Iowa State. And we know what a great player he became for us. Just wondering if anyone knows the back story here?
How about the big center from Purdue who is leaving...he will be a soph in the Fall. Wonder if we are in contact.
Quote from: wh on May 10, 2018, 10:42:06 AM
Quote from: VU2014 on May 10, 2018, 09:28:22 AM
Quote from: valpo84 on May 10, 2018, 09:09:45 AM
Whole bunch of Valpo related folks following Eron Gordon.... ???
https://twitter.com/EronGordon1/followers (https://twitter.com/EronGordon1/followers)
It's not just a rumor. They've reached out.
Eron was a high profile player coming out of high school, but for whatever reason had limited success at SH over 2 years:
http://m.espn.com/ncb/playerstats?playerId=4065815
Actually, his stats aren't much different than Cory's after 2 years at Iowa State. And we know what a great player he became for us. Just wondering if anyone knows the back story here?
I thought Eron was slightly overrated in HS because of his name/family. Also, he's a strong player who could overpower guys in HS, but wasn't able to do that same at the Big East level. Seton Hall was an NCAA tourney team and he got buried behind some quality wing players.
I didn't see enough of him at Seton Hall to have a good feel for his potential, but would seem to be worth the risk if Valpo has open scholarships.
Quote from: valpo64 on May 10, 2018, 12:28:49 PM
How about the big center from Purdue who is leaving...he will be a soph in the Fall. Wonder if we are in contact.
If you're talking about Jacquil Taylor, he committed to Hofstra a few days ago.
Verbal Commits now has the total number of players transferring at 600! :o
Quote from: VU2014 on April 08, 2018, 07:07:36 PMCorrect me if I'm wrong but I thought I heard we showed some interest in Palombizio late in his recruitment process. I don't think we're a fit. I'm hoping if we pursue a RS transfer it would be for someone with higher upside.
Palombizio going to D2 Bellarmine.
Quote from: VU75 on May 11, 2018, 06:17:17 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on April 08, 2018, 07:07:36 PMCorrect me if I'm wrong but I thought I heard we showed some interest in Palombizio late in his recruitment process. I don't think we're a fit. I'm hoping if we pursue a RS transfer it would be for someone with higher upside.
Palombizio going to D2 Bellarmine.
He reminds me a lot of John Kiser. Hard working roll player at this level of D1 basketball. Awesome to have 1 or 2 of these hard working roll players.
However, I understand if he aspires to more playing time. Has he publicly given his reason for transferring?
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on May 11, 2018, 06:47:18 PM
Quote from: VU75 on May 11, 2018, 06:17:17 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on April 08, 2018, 07:07:36 PMCorrect me if I'm wrong but I thought I heard we showed some interest in Palombizio late in his recruitment process. I don't think we're a fit. I'm hoping if we pursue a RS transfer it would be for someone with higher upside.
Palombizio going to D2 Bellarmine.
He reminds me a lot of John Kiser. Hard working roll player at this level of D1 basketball. Awesome to have 1 or 2 of these hard working roll players.
However, I understand if he aspires to more playing time. Has he publicly given his reason for transferring?
I heard some speculation that he was "forced out" of a scholarship there, because he ended up not being a fit.
Quote from: VU2014 on May 11, 2018, 08:15:22 PM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on May 11, 2018, 06:47:18 PM
Quote from: VU75 on May 11, 2018, 06:17:17 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on April 08, 2018, 07:07:36 PMCorrect me if I'm wrong but I thought I heard we showed some interest in Palombizio late in his recruitment process. I don't think we're a fit. I'm hoping if we pursue a RS transfer it would be for someone with higher upside.
Palombizio going to D2 Bellarmine.
He reminds me a lot of John Kiser. Hard working roll player at this level of D1 basketball. Awesome to have 1 or 2 of these hard working roll players.
However, I understand if he aspires to more playing time. Has he publicly given his reason for transferring?
I heard some speculation that he was "forced out" of a scholarship there, because he ended up not being a fit.
Something at Oakland doesn't smell right. As an example, why would Isaiah Brock transfer to Grand Valley State, a program clearly lower than Oakland. Kampe is also the guy who found Brock and gave him a scholarship. Something wrong with Brock? Or maybe, something is wrong with King Kampe and the Oakland program? ???
Saw Brock Stull in town the other day.
Quote from: AranJacobs on May 12, 2018, 08:18:07 PM
Saw Brock Stull in town the other day.
I may eat crow on this but he isn't coming to 10th place Valpo.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on May 12, 2018, 09:06:15 PM
Quote from: AranJacobs on May 12, 2018, 08:18:07 PM
Saw Brock Stull in town the other day.
I may eat crow on this but he isn't coming to 10th place Valpo.
Brock Stull knows and has experienced Valpo as a team that is a lot more than a 10th place MVC team. He knows that he, himself, could have pushed Valpo to as far as 5th or 6th in the Valley last season. He also knows that winning against MVC teams is not easy, that a basket or two can really change the results and that a few points here or there would have really changed Valpo's season in 2017-18.
Our greatest needs are better rebounding and a couple more guys who can go out and get buckets. If we shore up these two things it will go a long way toward changing our fortunes for the better in the Valley. Stull will help tremendously especially when it comes to getting buckets.
Lots of chatter on Twitter that Stull will visit Minnesota next weekend. As I've said before I strongly doubt he makes his decision before then. I hope we made a good showing and that he picks us but I don't like our chances.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on May 13, 2018, 01:33:58 PM
Lots of chatter on Twitter that Stull will visit Minnesota next weekend. As I've said before I strongly doubt he makes his decision before then. I hope we made a good showing and that he picks us but I don't like our chances.
Is he even visiting Valpo?
Quote from: a3uge on May 13, 2018, 02:24:35 PMQuote from: VUGrad1314 on May 13, 2018, 01:33:58 PMLots of chatter on Twitter that Stull will visit Minnesota next weekend. As I've said before I strongly doubt he makes his decision before then. I hope we made a good showing and that he picks us but I don't like our chances.
Is he even visiting Valpo?
Don't know
Quote from: AranJacobs on May 12, 2018, 08:18:07 PMSaw Brock Stull in town the other day.
Depends on whether this poster lives in Valpo.
Stull and Braun Hartfield were both in town earlier this week.
Quote from: Pgmado on May 13, 2018, 04:44:58 PMStull and Braun Hartfield were both in town earlier this week.
Any word on our chances with either or who else is involved?
Also speaking of HL Transfers are we in on Bryce Nze?
Speaking of transfers in general are we in on Eron Gordon?
Do we plan to use all three scholarships?
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on May 13, 2018, 05:30:19 PM
Quote from: Pgmado on May 13, 2018, 04:44:58 PMStull and Braun Hartfield were both in town earlier this week.
Any word on our chances with either or who else is involved?
If I had to take a guess Hartfield is the most likely guy to land here but any of the 3 is a possibility.
I'm cool with that. You can never have enough 3+D players.
Stull would be a home run. I don't use that term lightly.
Quote from: may know on May 14, 2018, 03:07:47 AM
Stull would be a home run. I don't use that term lightly.
He's a solid player. I only saw him a few times, what makes him a home run? This is not a sarcastic ask, just don't know much about him.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on May 14, 2018, 06:10:15 AM
Quote from: may know on May 14, 2018, 03:07:47 AM
Stull would be a home run. I don't use that term lightly.
He's a solid player. I only saw him a few times, what makes him a home run? This is not a sarcastic ask, just don't know much about him.
I don't know about a home run, but depending on the situation, he would be a great get for a number of teams. If the situation allowed him to mostly be a spot up shooter and defensive rebounder, he can help out a team quite a bit. If he's going to be looked to for a lot of scoring, particularly if the team he's on can't spread the floor and allow open lanes, then he is going to struggle. In his role at Milwaukee, his best season was his Sophomore year, but even that year he was only a solid offensive player efficiency-wise (103.9 where 100 is average). His biggest issue last year was his 2PFG% (36.6%), and he's never been very good at getting to the foul line. He is a good 3 point shooter (38% for his career), and a good defensive rebounder for his size though.
In terms of a recruiting win, he'd be big for Valpo because of the other schools involved (Minnesota and Xavier for sure), and not just because he would give Valpo another scoring punch. Plus grad transfers are great because they don't impact 2019 recruiting.
IrishDawg, agree with everything. He'd be a very nice pick up for Valpo for multiple reasons. He's experienced, good 3pt shooter, good rebounder and as IrishDawg alluded to it would be an ideal scenario because it would free up a scholarship for the 2019 class. I probably wouldn't say a homerun, but he's a sure thing standing double with the chance to be a triple. He's not a guy who will consistently take over games with his play but he's a good player who would very likely play a big role his senior year at Valpo. I think he could shine at Valpo, especially when he has a much better supporting cast around him here.
I think Brock be a great fit here and he'd have a greater impact here then he would at the other schools showing interest. Fingers crossed he picked picks Valpo.
Maybe getting too excited here, but what does Joe Burton's last tweet mean??!!? Maybe nothing, but maybe something....
Quote from: M on May 14, 2018, 02:42:54 PM
Maybe getting too excited here, but what does Joe Burton's last tweet mean??!!? Maybe nothing, but maybe something....
https://twitter.com/jbuckets25/status/996105425136312321
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/bac3c0424e91a6918af5f99559b9f73c/tenor.gif?itemid=8838157)
Quote from: M on May 14, 2018, 02:42:54 PM
Maybe getting too excited here, but what does Joe Burton's last tweet mean??!!? Maybe nothing, but maybe something....
:thumbsup: :cheers: :clap: :thewave: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance:
I'm not going to lie it feels like a long shot he comes back to Valpo but damn it would awesome! Either way I hope Joe finds the right fit somewhere.
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/996117841127661569
2 things that make me hopeful. It doesn't include any new highlights and it's all him in a Valpo uniform. You'd think if he was going elsewhere he'd have added some stuff or had nicer shots included because he would definitely have more stuff of him working out in a gym somewhere. Also, I will say this. If the dude decided to buckle down, work on his education at Valpo and want to stay here then good for him. he could have easily just quit and this shows work ethic or at least a dedication to the program and his team
That would be awesome!!! There was a picture of Joe working out with some other dudes and he was sporting a Valpo shirt and the workout guy identified him as a Valpo guy. Who knows.
In the meantime, should Valpo be pursuing this guy? From nearby Holt, MI, a PF with great size and is transferring from Columbia so should be able to hack it academically. And, an ESPN 4 star!!
https://247sports.com/player/jaron-faulds-88009
I must say in reference to any possible transfers to VU, the coaching staff is sure playing their cards close to the vest and understandingly so but it sure would be fun to know if we are close on anyone.
If only we had an award-winning intrepid beat reporter to get to the bottom of this.......
Quote from: M on May 14, 2018, 02:42:54 PM
Maybe getting too excited here, but what does Joe Burton's last tweet mean??!!? Maybe nothing, but maybe something....
Hypothetically say he is eligible again...he only has 1-year of eligibility left correct? 5-years from the first year with very very few exceptions?
This would have to increase our chances with Stull if true because it means we've got a real shot at contention. Then if we do well and possibly make a tournament run this could help us land our top 2019 targets. (Newman?) I might be getting carried away by optimism but this could be program changing.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on May 14, 2018, 05:07:45 PM
Quote from: M on May 14, 2018, 02:42:54 PM
Maybe getting too excited here, but what does Joe Burton's last tweet mean??!!? Maybe nothing, but maybe something....
Hypothetically say he is eligible again...he only has 1-year of eligibility left correct? 5-years from the first year with very very few exceptions?
That is correct and where else could he go? Unless he would play at a D2 or NAIA (Really??) he would have to sit again at another D1. I think you are correct on the number of years rule. His Twitter page still proudly shows him in a Valpo uniform.
If we can get Joe back then all bets are off. We would have a title contender to be sure. Come on Joe! Get those credits done that you need!! You can do it!!!!
If my memory serves, while Burton was at Oklahoma State, he tended to have some success against a certain team that we will play at least once this year if not twice... Just saying...
Quote from: vu72 on May 14, 2018, 05:46:53 PM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on May 14, 2018, 05:07:45 PM
Quote from: M on May 14, 2018, 02:42:54 PM
Maybe getting too excited here, but what does Joe Burton's last tweet mean??!!? Maybe nothing, but maybe something....
Hypothetically say he is eligible again...he only has 1-year of eligibility left correct? 5-years from the first year with very very few exceptions?
That is correct and where else could he go? Unless he would play at a D2 or NAIA (Really??) he would have to sit again at another D1. I think you are correct on the number of years rule. His Twitter page still proudly shows him in a Valpo uniform.
If we can get Joe back then all bets are off. We would have a title contender to be sure. Come on Joe! Get those credits done that you need!! You can do it!!!!
If Joe qualified for another D1 doesn't he have to sit out the first semester and is eligible 2nd semester?
I'd think he'd be eligible full year if he came back to Valpo. If so that's a bigger reason to be optimistic, no? Not sure JB wants to sit out any longer with his eligibility dwindling...
https://twitter.com/aschalk94/status/995016411939508224
Quote from: vu72 on May 14, 2018, 07:21:21 PM
https://twitter.com/aschalk94/status/995016411939508224
How long has Anthony Schalk had the pinned tweet about the Flight Brothers on his twitter feed? Meaning it likely was taken down at some point and reinstalled "recently"?
Quote from: crusader05 on May 14, 2018, 03:22:45 PM2 things that make me hopeful. It doesn't include any new highlights and it's all him in a Valpo uniform. You'd think if he was going elsewhere he'd have added some stuff or had nicer shots included because he would definitely have more stuff of him working out in a gym somewhere. Also, I will say this. If the dude decided to buckle down, work on his education at Valpo and want to stay here then good for him. he could have easily just quit and this shows work ethic or at least a dedication to the program and his team
I would not get too hopeful. I believe this is a clip that Anthony Schalk was putting together as a tribute to Joe's Valpo days.
Quote from: VUBBFan on May 14, 2018, 07:52:40 PM
Quote from: crusader05 on May 14, 2018, 03:22:45 PM2 things that make me hopeful. It doesn't include any new highlights and it's all him in a Valpo uniform. You'd think if he was going elsewhere he'd have added some stuff or had nicer shots included because he would definitely have more stuff of him working out in a gym somewhere. Also, I will say this. If the dude decided to buckle down, work on his education at Valpo and want to stay here then good for him. he could have easily just quit and this shows work ethic or at least a dedication to the program and his team
I would not get too hopeful. I believe this is a clip that Anthony Schalk was putting together as a tribute to Joe's Valpo days.
May be right BUT...What is with the "It's not over" quote and if it isn't over where else can he go and not sit? Clearly he has the talent to play overseas right now but, I think the experts have told him he need more exposure at the college level. That wouldn't include a D2 but would include games coming up against West Virginia, Loyola and the rest of the Valley. Perhaps I am dreaming, I think we will know more fairly quickly.
The better the competition, the better the Burton. Fingers crossed.
Quote from: vu72 on May 14, 2018, 03:25:50 PMThat would be awesome!!! There was a picture of Joe working out with some other dudes and he was sporting a Valpo shirt and the workout guy identified him as a Valpo guy. Who knows. In the meantime, should Valpo be pursuing this guy? From nearby Holt, MI, a PF with great size and is transferring from Columbia so should be able to hack it academically. And, an ESPN 4 star!! https://247sports.com/player/jaron-faulds-88009
http://verbalcommits.com/players/jaron-faulds
My first thought was why didn't this guy attract higher profile offers? His numbers seem a bit disappointing against Ivy League competition but maybe it's because he's young. Bigs take longer to develop. The FG% is promising but that FT% is ghastly.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4279471/jaron-faulds
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on May 14, 2018, 06:29:10 PMQuote from: vu72 on May 14, 2018, 05:46:53 PMQuote from: FieldGoodie05 on May 14, 2018, 05:07:45 PMQuote from: M on May 14, 2018, 02:42:54 PMMaybe getting too excited here, but what does Joe Burton's last tweet mean??!!? Maybe nothing, but maybe something....
Hypothetically say he is eligible again...he only has 1-year of eligibility left correct? 5-years from the first year with very very few exceptions?
That is correct and where else could he go? Unless he would play at a D2 or NAIA (Really??) he would have to sit again at another D1. I think you are correct on the number of years rule. His Twitter page still proudly shows him in a Valpo uniform. If we can get Joe back then all bets are off. We would have a title contender to be sure. Come on Joe! Get those credits done that you need!! You can do it!!!!
If Joe qualified for another D1 doesn't he have to sit out the first semester and is eligible 2nd semester? I'd think he'd be eligible full year if he came back to Valpo. If so that's a bigger reason to be optimistic, no? Not sure JB wants to sit out any longer with his eligibility dwindling...
Agreed. I'd have to think that he needs to get into games ASAP if he wants any shot at a pro career--overseas or otherwise.
Back to Brock Stull grad transfer recruiting. Per twitter this morning...
"So #UWM grad transfer Brock Stull is on the Minnesota campus this morning. The Rob Jeter hire by the #Gophers could already be paying dividends #Panthers"
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Quote from: vufan75 on May 15, 2018, 11:10:29 AM
Back to Brock Stull grad transfer recruiting. Per twitter this morning...
"So #UWM grad transfer Brock Stull is on the Minnesota campus this morning. The Rob Jeter hire by the #Gophers could already be paying dividends #Panthers"
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Minnesota was a dumpster fire last year with injuries and suspensions. Pitino will not last another year like this one; he needs to load up for this year. They also added one of the many who transferred from Pitt though I think we will have to sit out.
A few Minnesota people on twitter seem to think it's down to us and them. It sounds like we may find out very soon where Stull might land. He's at Minnesota right now. The Minnesota fans and media are trying to lobby him over social media right now.
College recruiting is hilarious. Stull was obviously their back up option and now it sounds like he's the primary again once a kid just committed to Baylor yesterday. I wonder if that will come to play. Nobody likes hearing they were the backup plan.
Recruiting news coming? Is Hartfield committing or a possible Burton return? I'm going with Hartfield is committing.
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/996564584570990593
Post Stull, I propose we attempt to find long term pieces (2+ years). 19-20 was always the target year anyway.
1. PF (Nze Faulds or grad transfer)
2. Hartfield (whether Burton returns or not we could use another skilled 3+D player at his position.
3. Gordon (can move up as high as #1 if coaches find that he's the most talented but I'm constructing this board based on need.)
Quote from: VU2014 on May 15, 2018, 08:45:32 PMRecruiting news coming? Is Hartfield committing or a possible Burton return? I'm going with Hartfield is committing. https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/996564584570990593
Why not both?
Also I say Scott owes us a H and H for screwing with our recruiting. It's only fair.
Hartfield's high school coach just tweeted out the schools showing interest in Braun. I heard Valpo and Kent State were the two schools most involved.
Hartfield is a nice 2 way player with good size.
https://twitter.com/sonnyjohnson32/status/996763300988899330
I'm all aboard the Hartfield train now. Time to focus on getting the best pieces we can going forward and if that means we have to endure another tough season while all that talent sits out so be it. That said I think we're going to be a much better team this coming year and that anyone selling us short is severely underestimating the impact that Fazekas and Freeman-Liberty will have.
I wonder if perhaps we would get in on guys like Wiley Patterson or Isabell (Drexel grad transfer) to provide some veteran leadership and scoring punch. If we were in on Stull Wiley especially doesn't seem like a bad fit.
At this point I see a senior-less 10 man roster with 90 to 125 RPI potential for the 18-19 season. Options for further immediate improvements are fast disappearing.
Looks to me like signing one redshirt transfer (Hartfield?), one more true freshman, and sitting on our last scholarship is our likely course of action.
Stull would have been a great addition but he would not have vaulted us into at-large contention. The quality of any 19-20 eligible transfers should define that seasons top potential.
Any updates on Gordon? Have we reached out to potential high impact front court transfers like Nze or Faulds? Are we in on anybody immediately eligible such as Wiley Patterson or Pettway? Man I hope Hartfield commits. He Golder and Freeman-Liberty would be so much fun to watch on the wings. What a great rotation that would be!
Anyone..?.....anyone?.....
Bueller? ...Bueller?
Quote from: crusadermoe on May 16, 2018, 12:44:32 PM
Anyone..?.....anyone?.....
Bueller? ...Bueller?
Nobody named Buehler but Eastern Washington had a recruit named Will Ferris and Ben Ferris was Mr. Basketball in Vermont. . Also Save Ferris is a ska punk band that was formed in 1995.
If he can prove he is fully healthy and back to his peak as a player, a sleeper candidate Valpo could consider is Maryland grad-transfer Dion Wiley. He was a 4-star recruit SF coming out of high school, but he had injuries that caused him to miss a year and slowed his progress for the Terps.
https://www.testudotimes.com/maryland-terps-basketball/2018/3/28/17174626/dion-wiley-leave-graduate-transfer (https://www.testudotimes.com/maryland-terps-basketball/2018/3/28/17174626/dion-wiley-leave-graduate-transfer)
A bit disappointed, was hoping to hear news of an addition to the MBB team this week.
As someone mentioned earlier, hope Paul wasn't referencing the Joe Burton news as "recruiting news".
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on May 18, 2018, 06:08:44 PM
A bit disappointed, was hoping to hear news of an addition to the MBB team this week.
As someone mentioned earlier, hope Paul wasn't referencing the Joe Burton news as "recruiting news".
Yep. No news this week. :-X
Here's your news: Eron Gordon to Valpo!!!
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on May 18, 2018, 06:08:44 PM
A bit disappointed, was hoping to hear news of an addition to the MBB team this week.
As someone mentioned earlier, hope Paul wasn't referencing the Joe Burton news as "recruiting news".
Patience, young grasshopper.
Quote from: valpopal on May 18, 2018, 06:35:37 PM
Here's your news: Eron Gordon to Valpo!!!
Legit, he's on his way!
Hopefully he takes "apart" in some classes and doesn't end up like Burton ><
https://twitter.com/EronGordon1/status/997614958073565184
Quote from: crusader05 on May 18, 2018, 07:13:42 PM
https://twitter.com/EronGordon1/status/997614958073565184
Good, solid pickup. Will be interesting to see how he develops in his year off. Gordon can score, but his issue has always been consistency with his shooting, and he didn't really get enough attempts to know if that was corrected at Seton Hall, though you would think if it had, he would have gotten more shots in the last couple years.
Quote from: crusader05 on May 18, 2018, 07:13:42 PM
https://twitter.com/EronGordon1/status/997614958073565184
I know I said that I'd rather see us go after a 4, but none of that matters now. Eron's ours now and I couldn't be happier. Great pick-up!
Quote from: crusader05 on May 18, 2018, 07:13:42 PM
https://twitter.com/EronGordon1/status/997614958073565184
Welcome to Valparaiso Eron! Excited for his future!
https://twitter.com/valpoathletics/status/997632492688629760
Unlike some of our other recent picks Eron should give us a solid, low risk return on our 6 semester scholarship investment.
:thumbsup: Sitting on those three scholarships was starting to make me sweat. Who will be next? If our goal is now shifting toward 19-20 then another redshirt transfer might not be the worst idea but I say that remembering we started 16-17 with 11 players and ended that season starting a walk on. :o
Looks like Eron was a 3* recruit out of high school in 2016 per Rivals and ESPN. Solid pickup. Should do well in MVC. Was #6 ranked Indiana high school recruit in 2016. Great family and pedigree!
I like valpopal's idea of shooting for Dion Wiley from Maryland also. Talented if healthy and if he fits Valpo culture.
Quote from: VU2014 on May 18, 2018, 08:21:30 PM
Quote from: crusader05 on May 18, 2018, 07:13:42 PM
https://twitter.com/EronGordon1/status/997614958073565184
Welcome to Valparaiso Eron! Excited for his future!
https://twitter.com/valpoathletics/status/997632492688629760
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Quote from: justducky on May 18, 2018, 08:45:41 PM
Unlike some of our other recent picks Eron should give us a solid, low risk return on our 6 semester scholarship investment.
:thumbsup: Sitting on those three scholarships was starting to make me sweat. Who will be next? If our goal is now shifting toward 19-20 then another redshirt transfer might not be the worst idea but I say that remembering we started 16-17 with 11 players and ended that season starting a walk on. :o
If Langston (Gary walk-on) is who we have to give minutes I can think of worse players!
Practice should be intense at the guard position:
PG = Sackey, Bradford or Evelyn
SG = Evelyn, Freeman-Liberty, Gordon and Langston
But what a departure from length. Not a single guy is 6'4" right? And if basketball fishtales are to be true, a listed 6'3" is surely no guarantee they are even 6'1". I suppose Hammink and E. Victor were our only rangy guards there for a while. Maybe if we fill in a SF/PF with another recruit that's eligible then 6'6" Golder can cross over...
Not sure what is/was going on with Eron, and certainly hope he is a valued part of Valpo basketball. Still, there are questions. Why did he get these offers and not turn into a star? System? coaching? something else? Let's hope for the best! Welcome Eron!!
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/162491/eron-gordon
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/997662445874372608
Seton Hall's Gordon transfers to Valparaiso
Paul Oren Times Correspondent
17 min ago
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/basketball/college/seton-hall-s-gordon-transfers-to-valparaiso/article_a052181b-9d5d-52d4-8748-3eb17afd8143.html
So, what's next? Are we still in on Hartfield? Grad transfer like Wiley? Do we go after a 4 like Nze Faulds or Pettway? I hope Hartfield or Wiley is at the top of this list.
Quote from: vu72 on May 18, 2018, 09:05:29 PM
Not sure what is/was going on with Eron, and certainly hope he is a valued part of Valpo basketball. Still, there are questions. Why did he get these offers and not turn into a star? System? coaching? something else? Let's hope for the best! Welcome Eron!!
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/162491/eron-gordon
Is it safe to say NO MORE GUARDS with the final 2 scholarships? 5 available guards so maybe we could handle one more, presuming we run a three guard offense more than not. We had to last year because the PF position was decimated by youth and foul trouble. But are we going to run Golder at the 4 more routinely when Fazekas is out? McMillan is still a wild card, he has to prove that he's not a linebacker trying to play basketball during screens...
5'9" Sackey
6'2" Bradford
6'2" Evelyn
6'3" Freeman-Liberty
6'4" Langston (walk-on)
**(Practice Only)**
6'3" Gordon
6'5" Kiser
6'6" Golder
6'8" Fazekas
6'8" McMillan
7'0" Sorolla
7'2" Smits
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on May 19, 2018, 11:19:23 AM
Quote from: vu72 on May 18, 2018, 09:05:29 PM
Not sure what is/was going on with Eron, and certainly hope he is a valued part of Valpo basketball. Still, there are questions. Why did he get these offers and not turn into a star? System? coaching? something else? Let's hope for the best! Welcome Eron!!
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/162491/eron-gordon
Is it safe to say NO MORE GUARDS with the final 2 scholarships? 5 available guards so maybe we could handle one more, presuming we run a three guard offense more than not. We had to last year because the PF position was decimated by youth and foul trouble. But are we going to run Golder at the 4 more routinely when Fazekas is out? McMillan is still a wild card, he has to prove that he's not a linebacker trying to play basketball during screens...
5'9" Sackey
6'2" Bradford
6'2" Evelyn
6'3" Freeman-Liberty
6'4" Langston (walk-on)
**(Practice Only)**
6'3" Gordon
6'5" Kiser
6'6" Golder
6'8" Fazekas
6'8" McMillan
7'0" Sorolla
7'2" Smits
I could see us adding a grad-transfer guard if the right one came around. I'm not sure how likely it is though.
Interesting quote from Paul's article: "We're going to get the right pieces, whatever that is," Lottich said. "We're going to bring people that fit into what we've got. We like the pieces that are in the program right now. We like the commitment from every single person right now. We're committed to that. If it's someone that has to sit out, someone that's immediately eligible; holding a scholarship,
we're going to be patient."
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on May 19, 2018, 11:19:23 AM
Quote from: vu72 on May 18, 2018, 09:05:29 PM
Not sure what is/was going on with Eron, and certainly hope he is a valued part of Valpo basketball. Still, there are questions. Why did he get these offers and not turn into a star? System? coaching? something else? Let's hope for the best! Welcome Eron!!
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/162491/eron-gordon
Is it safe to say NO MORE GUARDS with the final 2 scholarships? 5 available guards so maybe we could handle one more, presuming we run a three guard offense more than not. We had to last year because the PF position was decimated by youth and foul trouble. But are we going to run Golder at the 4 more routinely when Fazekas is out? McMillan is still a wild card, he has to prove that he's not a linebacker trying to play basketball during screens...
5'9" Sackey
6'2" Bradford
6'2" Evelyn
6'3" Freeman-Liberty
6'4" Langston (walk-on)
**(Practice Only)**
6'3" Gordon
6'5" Kiser
6'6" Golder
6'8" Fazekas
6'8" McMillan
7'0" Sorolla
7'2" Smits
More specifically, to offset our 5's we need athletic 4's that can get jump higher than 6", and are physical and aggressive around the hoop at both ends. That's code for no more white "finesse" front court players - please!
Finesse (verb)
1. do (something) in a subtle and delicate manner.
Quote from: wh on May 19, 2018, 11:55:43 AMMore specifically, to offset our 5's we need athletic 4's that can get jump higher than 6", and are physical and aggressive around the hoop at both ends. That's code for no more white "finesse" front court players - please! Finesse (verb) 1. do (something) in a subtle and delicate manner.
Actually it is code for something else.
Quote from: JD24 on May 19, 2018, 09:27:56 PM
Quote from: wh on May 19, 2018, 11:55:43 AMMore specifically, to offset our 5's we need athletic 4's that can get jump higher than 6", and are physical and aggressive around the hoop at both ends. That's code for no more white "finesse" front court players - please! Finesse (verb) 1. do (something) in a subtle and delicate manner.
Actually it is code for something else.
You're like someone with a dirty mind who takes an innocent comment and turns it into a dirty joke. This is a basketball thread, not a sociology class. Not every comment is a dog whistle. Lighten up.
Quote from: wh on May 19, 2018, 10:25:37 PMQuote from: JD24 on May 19, 2018, 09:27:56 PMQuote from: wh on May 19, 2018, 11:55:43 AMMore specifically, to offset our 5's we need athletic 4's that can get jump higher than 6", and are physical and aggressive around the hoop at both ends. That's code for no more white "finesse" front court players - please! Finesse (verb) 1. do (something) in a subtle and delicate manner.
Actually it is code for something else.
You're like someone with a dirty mind who takes an innocent comment and turns it into a dirty joke. This is a basketball thread, not a sociology class. Not every comment is a dog whistle. Lighten up.
Wear the comment. You made it. Thus anyone can read into it what they wish. Phrasing reveals a lot.
Quote from: wh on May 19, 2018, 11:55:43 AMThat's code for no more white "finesse" front court players - please!
I agree, but I'd also say no more "finesse" front players ... white or non-white. Not sure why race matters.
Quote from: JD24 on May 20, 2018, 02:09:37 PM
Quote from: wh on May 19, 2018, 10:25:37 PMQuote from: JD24 on May 19, 2018, 09:27:56 PMQuote from: wh on May 19, 2018, 11:55:43 AMMore specifically, to offset our 5's we need athletic 4's that can get jump higher than 6", and are physical and aggressive around the hoop at both ends. That's code for no more white "finesse" front court players - please! Finesse (verb) 1. do (something) in a subtle and delicate manner.
Actually it is code for something else.
You're like someone with a dirty mind who takes an innocent comment and turns it into a dirty joke. This is a basketball thread, not a sociology class. Not every comment is a dog whistle. Lighten up.
Wear the comment. You made it. Thus anyone can read into it what they wish. Phrasing reveals a lot.
I explained what I meant, and you continue to mischaracterize it. That's what a useless jerk does. Wear that.
Quote from: EddieCabot on May 20, 2018, 06:17:27 PM
Quote from: wh on May 19, 2018, 11:55:43 AMThat's code for no more white "finesse" front court players - please!
I agree, but I'd also say no more "finesse" front players ... white or non-white. Not sure why race matters.
I too agree on finesse players. Why was race even a factor? Unfortunately, alluding to "code" exaserbated the situation.
My vote: this was inapprpriately stated but with no malice. Let's let the controversial part die and just go with the message — no more finesse players.
Would that mean Nze and Faulds are potential targets?
Purple, Green, Red, Orange (no political insinuation meant), Gray, it doesn't matter as long as Valpo wins.
My question was meant as something of a thread reset. Those are two prominent somewhat local transfers who judging by their FG% know how to score in the paint. Each one does come with a bit of a caveat though: given that they come from the Horizon League and Ivy League respectively they likely haven't faced the level of frontcourt player they'll encounter in the MVC. I think they have the talent to adjust but it is a concern.
Any significant Valpo related updates on this front? Hartfield? Nze? Faulds? Wiley? Someone else? Getting just a wee bit starved for news again.
I can't believe the player I thought was the prize of the three Milwaukee transfers especially given our needs is the last one still available. Even more surprising is the lack of reported interest by Valpo. Same with Faulds but that one is a bit more believable since he looks like he'd be more of a 5 which would leave him behind Smits and Sorolla for minutes which probably isn't what he wants after sitting out a year.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on May 22, 2018, 01:31:28 PM
I can't believe the player I thought was the prize of the three Milwaukee transfers especially given our needs is the last one still available. Even more surprising is the lack of reported interest by Valpo. Same with Faulds but that one is a bit more believable since he looks like he'd be more of a 5 which would leave him behind Smits and Sorolla for minutes which probably isn't what he wants after sitting out a year.
To be honest Nze's game doesn't knock my socks off. He's an old school post player and not the most versatile. He's not a bad player but he's not someone that's an obvious add, imo. He's a good player but he might not be the type of player they're looking for.
Pros: Good footwork around the basket, has a nose for finding rebounds, good reach, he's a good finisher around the rim
Cons: not the most athletic, horrendous free throw shooter, not a 3pt shooter.
I haven't seen him enough to judge him on his passing or ball handling abilities.
Have to ask, why is "Boone Grove mourning" per PAUL Oren tweet from this weekend. Know this is not the right place but maybe someone here might know. Did a player or coach die?
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on May 22, 2018, 04:24:41 PM
Have to ask, why is "Boone Grove mourning" per PAUL Oren tweet from this weekend. Know this is not the right place but maybe someone here might know. Did a player or coach die?
(https://i.imgur.com/Jxq6GrE.gif)
Quote from: VU2014 on May 22, 2018, 05:08:46 PM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on May 22, 2018, 04:24:41 PM
Have to ask, why is "Boone Grove mourning" per PAUL Oren tweet from this weekend. Know this is not the right place but maybe someone here might know. Did a player or coach die?
(https://i.imgur.com/Jxq6GrE.gif)
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No deaths at Boone Grove. What was the full context?
https://mobile.twitter.com/NWIOren/status/998373463873196033 (https://mobile.twitter.com/NWIOren/status/998373463873196033)
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on May 22, 2018, 04:24:41 PM
Have to ask, why is "Boone Grove mourning" per PAUL Oren tweet from this weekend. Know this is not the right place but maybe someone here might know. Did a player or coach die?
I heard in a coffee shop conversation that a father of a player died in a mowing accident.
Oh my bad. I thought you were referring to this tweet
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/999048159518232576
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on May 22, 2018, 12:51:31 PM
Any significant Valpo related updates on this front? Hartfield? Nze? Faulds? Wiley? Someone else? Getting just a wee bit starved for news again.
Hartfield? He already took his visit. Haven't heard anything since.
Nze? Haven't heard if we're interested.
Faulds? Haven't heard if we're interested.
Wiley? Definitely a interesting grad-transfer but haven't heard us linked to him.
As always our staff keeps their cards close to the vest....it drives me nuts but i sure understand and can't blame them...but.......:)
Quote from: valpopal on May 22, 2018, 05:23:54 PM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on May 22, 2018, 04:24:41 PM
Have to ask, why is "Boone Grove mourning" per PAUL Oren tweet from this weekend. Know this is not the right place but maybe someone here might know. Did a player or coach die?
I heard in a coffee shop conversation that a father of a player died in a mowing accident.
Thank you for sharing, I was unable to find any info online and I'm not a tweeter. It stands to reason that it was a friend or family member since there was no published story.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on May 22, 2018, 06:27:21 PM
Quote from: valpopal on May 22, 2018, 05:23:54 PM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on May 22, 2018, 04:24:41 PM
Have to ask, why is "Boone Grove mourning" per PAUL Oren tweet from this weekend. Know this is not the right place but maybe someone here might know. Did a player or coach die?
I heard in a coffee shop conversation that a father of a player died in a mowing accident.
Thank you for sharing, I was unable to find any info online and I'm not a tweeter. It stands to reason that it was a friend or family member since there was no published story.
https://www.theindychannel.com/news/state-news/nw-indiana-man-found-dead-beneath-overturned-lawn-mower (https://www.theindychannel.com/news/state-news/nw-indiana-man-found-dead-beneath-overturned-lawn-mower)
Quote from: valpopal on May 22, 2018, 05:23:54 PM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on May 22, 2018, 04:24:41 PM
Have to ask, why is "Boone Grove mourning" per PAUL Oren tweet from this weekend. Know this is not the right place but maybe someone here might know. Did a player or coach die?
I heard in a coffee shop conversation that a father of a player died in a mowing accident.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/softball/prep-softball-boone-grove-family-shows-support-after-tragedy/article_3c69efca-4290-56b8-9402-e2616fe5b8de.amp.html
Is this perhaps our answer at the 4? Lance Thomas is transferring from Louisville. He'd be a sit 1 play 3. He averaged just 2.2PPG but was rated a 4 star by Scout and ESPN. Very highly touted coming out of High school.
We'll need to get that Adidas money to land Lance Thomas ;)
Do you see another P5 school taking a shot at him? He got a ton of high major offers
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on May 23, 2018, 09:33:14 AMIs this perhaps our answer at the 4? Lance Thomas is transferring from Louisville. He'd be a sit 1 play 3. He averaged just 2.2PPG but was rated a 4 star by Scout and ESPN. Very highly touted coming out of High school.
Should have E Victor talk to him. I think they were from the same High School.
Probably a hail Mary but what the heck.
It probably is a bit of a long shot but I would nevertheless be disappointed if we don't at least try. At this late juncture I can't imagine too many programs can offer the same combination of available playing time winning tradition future upside and quality competition that Valpo can while still having a scholarship available to give him. I wonder how many P5/BE programs will be interested considering that things didn't work out at Louisville and he's not a rim protector. I could see him fitting in quite well on a roster at the AAC or MVC MWC A10 level.
The guy I'd like to see transfer is Jaron Faulds from Columbia. He's originally from Michigan and was attending a high quality University. Valpo would be closer to his home town and would still be attending a quality school. Have no idea what he's looking for, but would love to have a 6'10" PF 3.5 star player on our roster.
Well it's just another wish list from me. I sometimes live in a dream land and not reality.
Quote from: VUBBFan on May 23, 2018, 10:14:11 PMWell it's just another wish list from me. I sometimes live in a dream land and not reality.
(https://openlab.citytech.cuny.edu/belli-f2015-eng2720/files/2015/10/download.jpe)
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on May 23, 2018, 06:11:52 PM
It probably is a bit of a long shot but I would nevertheless be disappointed if we don't at least try. At this late juncture I can't imagine too many programs can offer the same combination of available playing time winning tradition future upside and quality competition that Valpo can while still having a scholarship available to give him. I wonder how many P5/BE programs will be interested considering that things didn't work out at Louisville and he's not a rim protector. I could see him fitting in quite well on a roster at the AAC or MVC MWC A10 level.
Not every major program would avoid going after him because he isn't a rim protector, but even with his minimal sample size of playing time last year his block percentage is pretty good for someone who would likely play the 4 most of the time. He's at least pulled the trigger from 3 this past year and been efficient in his garbage time minutes as a freshman, so he could be desirable from that prospective. Really just depends on a team's need for his skillset and whether or not both sides feels like it's a good fit, and that's pretty much universal in the transfer market.
What I will say is that for him to decide to move on considering Louisville's lack of depth at the 4 (There is less competition there than at Valpo currently for PT at that spot), tells me there's something else there that a coaching staff, whether it's Valpo or anyone else's is going to have to get comfortable with before deciding to bring him into the locker room. Could be any number of things or just that he really doesn't feel like he fits in with the new staff at Louisville, but it does seem at least a little odd.
Nze to Butler. Reunites with LaVall Jordan.
https://twitter.com/NoahOsen/status/1001998263015395328
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on May 30, 2018, 11:21:44 PM
Nze to Butler. Reunites with LaVall Jordan.
https://twitter.com/NoahOsen/status/1001998263015395328
Was Nze so good to land P6 and get minutes?
This one's honestly a little surprising to me. I don't know what Butler's depth chart looks like at PF but I doubt he would go anywhere without the likelihood of significant minutes.
Not that anyone expected that Valpo would have any shot at him but here's a Lance Thomas update
https://twitter.com/mgiannotto/status/1002273555000807424
My initial thought on Nze is that it seemed like a bit of a reach, but upon further review, I think he'll be a good fit. Butler's power forward position right now has a true freshman (Bryce Golden - 6'9, 220) and a bunch of wings around 6'6 or 6'7 who can play the position, but aren't necessarily ideal for it.
Nze, based on his block rate definitely has the athleticism to compete at a high level, and he rebounds at a high rate as well on both ends of the floor. Concerns have to be his free throw percentage and free throw shooting rate. He didn't play well against high major competition, but 6 and 7 games the last 2 years isn't a large sample size. Plus Jordan and Lowery know him better than most and felt comfortable bringing him in, and he'll have a year to improve and practice against the starters this year. At worst, I think he can be a solid backup, and at best, he could fill the role that Tyler Wideman had at Butler.
Another transfer I like, that might fit us is PF Callum Kimberley of Idaho State. He's from Australia and looks like a strong defender and rebounder that can shoot. He may not be exceptionally fast but seems to be quick, crashes the boards and moves very well. Didn't play because of injury ( don't know what or how severe ) last year. Besides we need to keep up our international roster lol.
Grad transfer Ehab Amin who previously committed to Nevada has reopened his recruitment. Excellent defender who averaged 16.9PPG for Texas A&M Corpus Christi.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on June 01, 2018, 09:57:53 PM
Grad transfer Ehab Amin who previously committed to Nevada has reopened his recruitment. Excellent defender who averaged 16.9PPG for Texas A&M Corpus Christi.
Victim of over recruiting. Once their 3 guys who declared for the draft decided to return, Nevada was at 15 scholarship players. He's the first to be discarded with one more on the way. Nevada fans are thrilled, but this type of crap will (or should) come back to bite them in future recruiting.
Something fishy is going on there. Anytime a mediocre program starts landing 4 and 5 star recruits, you have to wonder what's going on.
You don't think it's because of Musselman's NBA experience and personality? I mean except for struggling a bit in the NBA coaching some less than stellar teams he's won everywhere he's been.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on June 01, 2018, 11:27:16 PM
You don't think it's because of Musselman's NBA experience and personality? I mean except for struggling a bit in the NBA coaching some less than stellar teams he's won everywhere he's been.
I'd have to agree.
Were not some of his previous college jobs under scrutiny for problems of one kind or another? Maybe I'm confusing him with someone else.
Wiley to SLU. Another seemingly solid possibly attainable option by the boards. The players we get with these remaining scholarships had better be amazing. At this point let's just get Hartfield and Faulds and call it an offseason.
I am hearing a lot of early MVC interest in recent transferring DePaul PG Justin Roberts. Valpo, Ill. State, Drake, Loyola, Mo State and Ball State seem to be showing some early interest. Former 4 Star recruit out of Indy via Findlay Prep in Nevada.
He would be a Redshirt Sophmore when Evelyn and Bradford are Seniors.
I'd be pretty darn surprised if Loyola didn't get him and really surprised if we did.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on June 06, 2018, 01:00:07 PM
I'd be pretty darn surprised if Loyola didn't get him and really surprised if we did.
You could be right, but I don't think so. I would hate to think that 1 down year completely destroyed our image as one of the top mid-major programs in the nation. Tarnished some - yes, erased - no. Conversely, I'm not sure 1 great year by Loyola completely eradicates a decades-long image of mediocrity. Our prize freshman recruits and our newest transfer compare favorably to anyone else in the league. Good players are still attracted to Valpo - and they should be. This program has a sustained history of winning championships in a multitude of situations, going to the NCAA and NIT, and placing numerous players in pro leagues world-wide, including the NBA. As to the kid you're referring to, he could well end up at Loyola, but whatever the case I highly doubt it's a situation where Loyola is the obvious choice because of who they've become, and Valpo is left to pick up the scraps Loyola leaves behind because of who we've become. Put another way, 1 year does not a Wichita State make.
Upon closer look I think we can cross Illinois State Missouri State and Drake off the list because I'm pretty sure they've used up all of their scholarships I think Loyola may also be out but I'm not positive.
Here's the thing, he's an Indy kid with one prep year exception. I don't think Loyola ever recruited him and Mullins and Valentine haven't plucked the Hoosier state of anyone while Valpo has its roots here and guys that have recruited here successfully. Not that means anything but it doesn't hurt Valpo.
While schools may be limited with scholarships one inevitably opens up if a player of need or want becomes available. It's the world of today's D1 basketball.
It may help that we've had success getting good talent from the Indy area recently with a ton of success with BE transfers from Indiana. Maybe (hopefully) he's the next one. I just hope we'll have enough minutes for everyone come 2019-2020. I do have to say that based on his numbers he struggled quite a bit in the Big East, but he was also just a freshman on a bad team and the competition won't be quite as fierce in the MVC but still really good. I think he can be a strong player in this conference.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4278558/justin-roberts
Quote from: ValpoDad89 on June 06, 2018, 10:44:13 AMI am hearing a lot of early MVC interest in recent transferring DePaul PG Justin Roberts.
Do we really need two pint sized point guards that would be in the same graduating class? If he were 6'2' and could also play shooting guard then maybe we could think about it but I just don't see the need.
I don't think Lottich is using need as his primary concern. I think he's trying to stack talent until he comes up with the optimum mix of talent and depth. I think his goal is a Loyola like run right here in Valpo and the transfer market is a great vehicle to get there fast.
Could we be interested in a D2 grad-transfer?
Landon Goesling
Status: Undecided
Year: 2014 (RS JR)
Position: SG
Height: 6-2
Weight: 175
Hometown: Irving, TX
High School: Coppell High School
Former teams: St. Edward's (2016-18), Appalachian State (2014-16)
Current offers: UTEP, Houston, UC Santa Barbara
http://verbalcommits.com/players/landon-goesling
https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/982314110334521344
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxdrP_WJF2E
Quote from: VU2014 on June 08, 2018, 01:43:41 PM
Could we be interested in a D2 grad-transfer?
Landon Goesling
Status: Undecided
Year: 2014 (RS JR)
Position: SG
Height: 6-2
Weight: 175
Hometown: Irving, TX
High School: Coppell High School
Former teams: St. Edward's (2016-18), Appalachian State (2014-16)
Current offers: UTEP, Houston, UC Santa Barbara
http://verbalcommits.com/players/landon-goesling
https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/982314110334521344
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxdrP_WJF2E
Similar to Clay Yeo's Bethel numbers. The moral of the story is...
Quote from: wh on June 08, 2018, 02:07:59 PM
Similar to Clay Yeo's Bethel numbers. The moral of the story is...
Yeo had a shot to be a productive D1 player and he wasn't bad his freshman year. Yeo's move down didn't have to do with lack of ability. He was homesick apparently. He was highly productive before the knee injuries at the D2 level. Even after the injuries he still wasn't a bad player.
Yeah, he was homesick to make the 50 mile trip home more often I recall.
Good riddance. :crazy:
Quote from: VU2014 on June 08, 2018, 01:43:41 PMCould we be interested in a D2 grad-transfer?
Goesling is interesting. Nothing about his offensive game suggests he would score big points in the MVC but I am not sure I care because he seems to do a little of everything. Can he defend the average MVC 2 guard or point? If so then we could find him some minutes.
Quote from: justducky on June 08, 2018, 05:30:29 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on June 08, 2018, 01:43:41 PMCould we be interested in a D2 grad-transfer?
Goesling is interesting. Nothing about his offensive game suggests he would score big points in the MVC but I am not sure I care because he seems to do a little of everything. Can he defend the average MVC 2 guard or point? If so then we could find him some minutes.
Goesling has committed and signed with University of Houston.
Quote from: valpopal on June 08, 2018, 06:41:44 PMGoesling has committed and signed with University of Houston.
Well!
Don't know exactly how to say this but if he wanted to go play for Kelvin Sampson then we might not have wanted him anyway. ::)
Quote from: valpopal on June 08, 2018, 06:41:44 PM
Quote from: justducky on June 08, 2018, 05:30:29 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on June 08, 2018, 01:43:41 PMCould we be interested in a D2 grad-transfer?
Goesling is interesting. Nothing about his offensive game suggests he would score big points in the MVC but I am not sure I care because he seems to do a little of everything. Can he defend the average MVC 2 guard or point? If so then we could find him some minutes.
Goesling has committed and signed with University of Houston.
I don't know about anyone else, but after all this time waiting to see who the latest, greatest Crusader is going to be, the last thing I'm looking for is a career D-2 player. The goal is to return to glory, not fill vacancies for the sake of a full roster. Bring in a bell ringer, or stand pat. That's it.
Nothing personal. I hope the kid has a great year.
Quote from: wh on June 08, 2018, 08:11:13 PM
Quote from: valpopal on June 08, 2018, 06:41:44 PM
Quote from: justducky on June 08, 2018, 05:30:29 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on June 08, 2018, 01:43:41 PMCould we be interested in a D2 grad-transfer?
Goesling is interesting. Nothing about his offensive game suggests he would score big points in the MVC but I am not sure I care because he seems to do a little of everything. Can he defend the average MVC 2 guard or point? If so then we could find him some minutes.
Goesling has committed and signed with University of Houston.
I don't know about anyone else, but after all this time waiting to see who the latest, greatest Crusader is going to be, the last thing I'm looking for is a career D-2 player. The goal is to return to glory, not fill vacancies for the sake of a full roster. Bring in a bell ringer, or stand pat. That's it.
Nothing personal. I hope the kid has a great year.
I'd take a legit rebounder/defender with length 6'7" or greater from any division. But has to be immediately available. Less worried about scoring polish because I think we need legitimacy at the PF position.
Quote from: wh on June 08, 2018, 08:11:13 PM
Quote from: valpopal on June 08, 2018, 06:41:44 PM
Quote from: justducky on June 08, 2018, 05:30:29 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on June 08, 2018, 01:43:41 PMCould we be interested in a D2 grad-transfer?
Goesling is interesting. Nothing about his offensive game suggests he would score big points in the MVC but I am not sure I care because he seems to do a little of everything. Can he defend the average MVC 2 guard or point? If so then we could find him some minutes.
Goesling has committed and signed with University of Houston.
I don't know about anyone else, but after all this time waiting to see who the latest, greatest Crusader is going to be, the last thing I'm looking for is a career D-2 player. The goal is to return to glory, not fill vacancies for the sake of a full roster. Bring in a bell ringer, or stand pat. That's it.
Nothing personal. I hope the kid has a great year.
Agree. Valpo has moved well beyond the point where they should be considering a DII transfer.
Save one and give one to a lucky senior walk on.
Quote from: M on June 08, 2018, 11:01:35 PM
Save one and give one to a lucky senior walk on.
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A good point. We will have an accomplished walk-on (Langston) with Helms also showing up at some point. Remember that Kiser was a walk-on. I think people forgot that Kiser was ranked by some services as a top 25 Indiana kid coming out of high school and has proved very valuable. We have plenty of talent and just need to put it together.
Quote from: vu72 on June 09, 2018, 06:30:54 AM
Quote from: M on June 08, 2018, 11:01:35 PM
Save one and give one to a lucky senior walk on.
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A good point. We will have an accomplished walk-on (Langston) with Helms also showing up at some point. Remember that Kiser was a walk-on. I think people forgot that Kiser was ranked by some services as a top 25 Indiana kid coming out of high school and has proved very valuable. We have plenty of talent and just need to put it together.
Langston has a full academic scholarship from what I've heard. We don't need to dangle an athletic scholarship do we?
Helm is going to be a grandfather before we (might) see him next...
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on June 09, 2018, 08:13:50 AM
Quote from: vu72 on June 09, 2018, 06:30:54 AM
Quote from: M on June 08, 2018, 11:01:35 PM
Save one and give one to a lucky senior walk on.
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A good point. We will have an accomplished walk-on (Langston) with Helms also showing up at some point. Remember that Kiser was a walk-on. I think people forgot that Kiser was ranked by some services as a top 25 Indiana kid coming out of high school and has proved very valuable. We have plenty of talent and just need to put it together.
Langston has a full academic scholarship from what I've heard. We don't need to dangle an athletic scholarship do we?
Helm is going to be a grandfather before we (might) see him next...
You're right on that and I believe Helm has a parent working at the University so at least a significant discount, maybe free. Really great that we get two quality players for nothing.
PO says Braun to San Diego
That's annoying. Had to be about playing time.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on June 11, 2018, 04:27:21 PM
That's annoying. Had to be about playing time.
Or the weather ;)
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on June 10, 2018, 07:54:35 PM
PO says Braun to San Diego
Could you point me back to where Braun was discussed? I seem to have lost who this guy is in all the discussion of different possible recruits.
Quote from: bbtds on June 12, 2018, 11:42:07 AM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on June 10, 2018, 07:54:35 PM
PO says Braun to San Diego
Could you point me back to where Braun was discussed? I seem to have lost who this guy is in all the discussion of different possible recruits.
He was a red-shirt transfer from YSU. He was one of the better 2-way players in the horizon league last season. He came in for a visit at the same time as Brock Stull.
Quote from: VU2014 on June 12, 2018, 11:49:31 AM
Quote from: bbtds on June 12, 2018, 11:42:07 AM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on June 10, 2018, 07:54:35 PM
PO says Braun to San Diego
Could you point me back to where Braun was discussed? I seem to have lost who this guy is in all the discussion of different possible recruits.
He was a red-shirt transfer from YSU. He was one of the better 2-way players in the horizon league last season. He came in for a visit at the same time as Brock Stull.
Thanks! I appreciate it.
Any updates on Roberts or Faulds? Also, perhaps we can get in on this grad-transfer?
https://twitter.com/CollegeHoopNews/status/1008374122898972672
Found some footage on Faulds. Looks like a hard worker and has some range on his jump shot. He can handle the ball and looks pretty explosive. I'm fully on board and would like to see us add him.
https://twitter.com/CoachFaulds/status/1007816198724169728
Here's a guy we should consider as well. Sit 1 play 3 transfer who led the A10 in BPG as a freshman (2.2 BPG)
https://twitter.com/CollegeHoopNews/status/1008916663545233408
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on June 18, 2018, 06:03:20 PM
Any updates on Roberts or Faulds? Also, perhaps we can get in on this grad-transfer?
https://twitter.com/CollegeHoopNews/status/1008374122898972672
Interesting to hear he's visiting Minnesota who already landed a mid-major grad-transfer guard who was promised a role... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
https://twitter.com/Marcus_R_Fuller/status/1008514658096025601
Could we see Stull decommit to Minnesota and instead commit here? Can't see the Gophers making it works with two grad transfer SGs.
Minnesota people say he's wanted to be a Gopher for a long time. They believe it's a done deal because a grad with no playing time just transferred out.
Stull, time to get out of Dodge.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on June 20, 2018, 05:03:35 PM
Could we see Stull decommit to Minnesota and instead commit here? Can't see the Gophers making it works with two grad transfer SGs.
He probably should, but he probably won't.
Escalation of commitment - a human behavior pattern in which an individual or group facing increasingly negative outcomes from some decision, action, or investment nevertheless continues the same behavior rather than alter course.
I'm not so sure about that. I think Stull was trying to find the best mix of high level team and playing time. Jeter being on staff helped but if the playing time goes away I would be surprised to see him stick around. Nobody who is used to being a leading scorer wants to spend his last year of eligibility riding the pine. Not even in the Big Ten.
Missouri State loses guard Mustafa Lawrence to transfer. He played very well for them down the stretch. This opens up a scholarship and playing time at PG. I remember reading that they were interested in Roberts (DePaul transfer). Perhaps this clears a path for him to Springfield.
Quote from: wh on June 20, 2018, 05:47:31 PM
Escalation of commitment - a human behavior pattern in which an individual or group facing increasingly negative outcomes from some decision, action, or investment nevertheless continues the same behavior rather than alter course.
I've never heard of that one ... I'm also guilty each year when I get my season ticket renewal letter. :-[
Quote from: may know on June 20, 2018, 05:44:44 PM
Minnesota people say he's wanted to be a Gopher for a long time. They believe it's a done deal because a grad with no playing time just transferred out.
Stull, time to get out of Dodge.
Stull is from Rockford, not Dodgeville, Wisconsin, Dodge City, Kansas or Dodgertown, FL. Time to get out of Milwaukee, that is for sure.
I heard Minneapolis can be magical in January/February.
He's already done that but Minneapolis may not prove to be a stable landing spot if the Gophers add Crandell too. How would you feel as a grad transfer if the program you committed to goes out and adds another grad transfer at the same position? You'd have to wonder how truly committed they are to you wouldn't you?
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on June 21, 2018, 11:47:17 PM
He's already done that but Minneapolis may not prove to be a stable landing spot if the Gophers add Crandell too. How would you feel as a grad transfer if the program you committed to goes out and adds another grad transfer at the same position? You'd have to wonder how truly committed they are to you wouldn't you?
I understood why Stull might feel uncomfortable after committing to play one year at Minnesota and they add another grad transfer at the same position with the knowledge that there is plenty of room on the bench. I figure Stull is still going to go out and try and win that spot even though Crandell was added too.
Question.
Would Stull have known that Minnesota was still recruiting Crandall when he committed, or would this have been a surprise to him? Larger picture, how open are schools with kids on who else they are recruiting that might compete for playing time? If Stull knew Crandall could be added, but committed anyway then it seems unlikely he would reconsider his commitment. On the other hand if the school was telling him that he would fill their need at the position, then undercut that by recruiting someone else who was a legit competitor for minutes then maybe he would look elsewhere?
Quote from: nkvu on June 22, 2018, 08:59:25 AM
Question.
Would Stull have known that Minnesota was still recruiting Crandall when he committed, or would this have been a surprise to him? Larger picture, how open are schools with kids on who else they are recruiting that might compete for playing time? If Stull knew Crandall could be added, but committed anyway then it seems unlikely he would reconsider his commitment. On the other hand if the school was telling him that he would fill their need at the position, then undercut that by recruiting someone else who was a legit competitor for minutes then maybe he would look elsewhere?
Given that Stull committed to Minnesota on May 16th and Crandall didn't announce he was transferring until June 11th, there's absolutely no way he knew anything.
However, Minnesota has 4 scholarship players for their 2 guard spots right now, and one is a 2-3 star local freshman, and they need a guy who can backup Isaiah Washington at the point. Crandall's assist rate in his 3 years at North Dakota suggests that he can fill that role moreso than Stull, so while they may compete for some playing time at the 2, my guess is there is still plenty available between those 4 players considering McBrayer hasn't exactly lit the world on fire in his 3 years at Minnesota.
There also could be minutes as a backup 3 if they decide to go smaller, and while there will definitely be more competition for minutes assuming Crandall commits to the Gophers, that also means he'll have an even better shot (on paper) at making the NCAA tournament, which he did state was a major factor in him wanting to transfer in the first place.
Quote from: IrishDawg on June 22, 2018, 10:33:52 AM
Quote from: nkvu on June 22, 2018, 08:59:25 AM
Question.
Would Stull have known that Minnesota was still recruiting Crandall when he committed, or would this have been a surprise to him? Larger picture, how open are schools with kids on who else they are recruiting that might compete for playing time? If Stull knew Crandall could be added, but committed anyway then it seems unlikely he would reconsider his commitment. On the other hand if the school was telling him that he would fill their need at the position, then undercut that by recruiting someone else who was a legit competitor for minutes then maybe he would look elsewhere?
Given that Stull committed to Minnesota on May 16th and Crandall didn't announce he was transferring until June 11th, there's absolutely no way he knew anything.
However, Minnesota has 4 scholarship players for their 2 guard spots right now, and one is a 2-3 star local freshman, and they need a guy who can backup Isaiah Washington at the point. Crandall's assist rate in his 3 years at North Dakota suggests that he can fill that role moreso than Stull, so while they may compete for some playing time at the 2, my guess is there is still plenty available between those 4 players considering McBrayer hasn't exactly lit the world on fire in his 3 years at Minnesota.
There also could be minutes as a backup 3 if they decide to go smaller, and while there will definitely be more competition for minutes assuming Crandall commits to the Gophers, that also means he'll have an even better shot (on paper) at making the NCAA tournament, which he did state was a major factor in him wanting to transfer in the first place.
As happy as I'd be to see Stull decomitt (is that possible at this point), I think competing at Minnesota is good. He already knows he can compete at or near our level, I applaud his B1G aspirations.
But more practically, can he get out at this juncture without losing eligibility. My assumption is of course Yes, since there has been no minutes played. But is the grad transfer commitment treated differently?
Hall would be a really nice pick up.
https://twitter.com/MurrayRGJ/status/1010238619397775360
I understand Valpo would like to add a transfer they tried to recruit out of high school. Would be a very good addition to the team if it works out.
Quote from: valpopal on June 24, 2018, 11:00:19 AM
I understand Valpo would like to add a transfer they tried to recruit out of high school. Would be a very good addition to the team if it works out.
Interesting. Who might that be?
Is it Davon Dillard (Gary, IN native)? I believe he was let go from the team at Oklahoma State. We offered him back in 2013 under Bryce's tenure.
Maciej Bender (formerly WVU) transferred to Mercer last month.
Zion Morgan? He committed to Valpo but then decommitted when Micah Bradford committed because he wanted to play PG. He ended up UNLV for a year and then left. I haven't heard what happened to him since. He doesn't make much sense to me.
Quote from: VU2014 on June 24, 2018, 11:35:14 AM
Quote from: valpopal on June 24, 2018, 11:00:19 AM
I understand Valpo would like to add a transfer they tried to recruit out of high school. Would be a very good addition to the team if it works out.
Interesting. Who might that be?
Is it Davon Dillard (Gary, IN native)? I believe he was let go from the team at Oklahoma State. We offered him back in 2013 under Bryce's tenure.
Maciej Bender (formerly WVU) transferred to Mercer last month.
Zion Morgan? He committed to Valpo but then decommitted when Micah Bradford committed because he wanted to play PG. He ended up UNLV for a year and then left. I have heard what happened to him since. He doesn't make much sense to me.
None of the above.
Valpopal, do you have a name or is this a guess?
Quote from: valpopal on June 24, 2018, 11:54:42 AM
Quote from: VU2014 on June 24, 2018, 11:35:14 AM
Quote from: valpopal on June 24, 2018, 11:00:19 AM
I understand Valpo would like to add a transfer they tried to recruit out of high school. Would be a very good addition to the team if it works out.
Interesting. Who might that be?
Is it Davon Dillard (Gary, IN native)? I believe he was let go from the team at Oklahoma State. We offered him back in 2013 under Bryce's tenure.
Maciej Bender (formerly WVU) transferred to Mercer last month.
Zion Morgan? He committed to Valpo but then decommitted when Micah Bradford committed because he wanted to play PG. He ended up UNLV for a year and then left. I have heard what happened to him since. He doesn't make much sense to me.
None of the above.
I'll have to dig though the old recruiting threads.
Recruiting 2017: http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=2191.0
Recruiting 2016: http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1880.0
Recruiting 2015: http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1419.0
Recruiting 2014: http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1421.0
Quote from: VU2014 on June 24, 2018, 12:05:49 PM
Quote from: valpopal on June 24, 2018, 11:54:42 AM
Quote from: VU2014 on June 24, 2018, 11:35:14 AM
Quote from: valpopal on June 24, 2018, 11:00:19 AM
I understand Valpo would like to add a transfer they tried to recruit out of high school. Would be a very good addition to the team if it works out.
Interesting. Who might that be?
Is it Davon Dillard (Gary, IN native)? I believe he was let go from the team at Oklahoma State. We offered him back in 2013 under Bryce's tenure.
Maciej Bender (formerly WVU) transferred to Mercer last month.
Zion Morgan? He committed to Valpo but then decommitted when Micah Bradford committed because he wanted to play PG. He ended up UNLV for a year and then left. I have heard what happened to him since. He doesn't make much sense to me.
None of the above.
I'll have to dig though the old recruiting threads.
Recruiting 2017: http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=2191.0
Recruiting 2016: http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1880.0
Recruiting 2015: http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1419.0
Recruiting 2014: http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1421.0
There are only a couple of past recruits that we could be in consideration for now (and they're a stretch):
Daniel Relvao - 6-9 from Portugal - 2015 recruit - signed with GMU - redshirted in 2015-16, played in 2016-17, quit the team just before the 2017-18 and returned to Europe only to never be heard from again
Maciej Bender- 6-10 from Poland -2016 recruit - signed with WVA - played 2 seasons - recently transferred to Mercer, which takes him out of consideration unless he became disillusioned after he got there
Maybe it's someone the staff recruited but never officially offered?
Quote from: valpo64 on June 24, 2018, 11:58:59 AM
Valpopal, do you have a name or is this a guess?
I have been advised to keep an eye on a certain name as a "possibility."
Quote from: VU2014 on June 24, 2018, 12:05:49 PM
Quote from: valpopal on June 24, 2018, 11:54:42 AM
Quote from: VU2014 on June 24, 2018, 11:35:14 AM
Quote from: valpopal on June 24, 2018, 11:00:19 AM
I understand Valpo would like to add a transfer they tried to recruit out of high school. Would be a very good addition to the team if it works out.
Interesting. Who might that be?
Is it Davon Dillard (Gary, IN native)? I believe he was let go from the team at Oklahoma State. We offered him back in 2013 under Bryce's tenure.
Maciej Bender (formerly WVU) transferred to Mercer last month.
Zion Morgan? He committed to Valpo but then decommitted when Micah Bradford committed because he wanted to play PG. He ended up UNLV for a year and then left. I have heard what happened to him since. He doesn't make much sense to me.
None of the above.
I'll have to dig though the old recruiting threads.
Recruiting 2017: http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=2191.0
Recruiting 2016: http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1880.0
Recruiting 2015: http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1419.0
Recruiting 2014: http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1421.0
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Here is the difference in people. valpopal dangles out a bit of information which vu2014 and wh eagerly pounce upon and research like a Nobel Prize awaits the solution. Meanwhile I am seething that valpopal has snatched away the answer while saying "gotcha again suckers". ;)
I know that I tend be a bit impatient but am I the only one on this board who would like to grab valpopal by the throat and shake him? ::)
Quote from: justducky on June 24, 2018, 01:52:02 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on June 24, 2018, 12:05:49 PM
Quote from: valpopal on June 24, 2018, 11:54:42 AM
Quote from: VU2014 on June 24, 2018, 11:35:14 AM
Quote from: valpopal on June 24, 2018, 11:00:19 AM
I understand Valpo would like to add a transfer they tried to recruit out of high school. Would be a very good addition to the team if it works out.
Interesting. Who might that be?
Is it Davon Dillard (Gary, IN native)? I believe he was let go from the team at Oklahoma State. We offered him back in 2013 under Bryce's tenure.
Maciej Bender (formerly WVU) transferred to Mercer last month.
Zion Morgan? He committed to Valpo but then decommitted when Micah Bradford committed because he wanted to play PG. He ended up UNLV for a year and then left. I have heard what happened to him since. He doesn't make much sense to me.
None of the above.
I'll have to dig though the old recruiting threads.
Recruiting 2017: http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=2191.0
Recruiting 2016: http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1880.0
Recruiting 2015: http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1419.0
Recruiting 2014: http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1421.0
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Here is the difference in people. valpopal dangles out a bit of information which vu2014 and wh eagerly pounce upon and research like a Nobel Prize awaits the solution. Meanwhile I am seething that valpopal has snatched away the answer while saying "gotcha again suckers". ;)
I know that I tend be a bit impatient but am I the only one on this board who would like to grab valpopal by the throat and shake him? ::)
valpopal be like... ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXoNE14U_zM
Akot?
Quote from: valpopal on June 24, 2018, 01:40:54 PM
Quote from: valpo64 on June 24, 2018, 11:58:59 AM
Valpopal, do you have a name or is this a guess?
I have been advised to keep an eye on a certain name as a "possibility."
Help us out a little. Does his last name start with an A and if not does it start with a B? :deadhorse:
Sasha's not transferring is he?
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on June 24, 2018, 06:36:58 PM
Sasha's not transferring is he?
That would be nice but I don't see that happening anytime in the near future. He already burned a red-shirt year sitting out his true freshman year.
I've combed through multiple recruiting threads and can't find a life of me figure out who it might be.
Zion Morgan perhaps...
Or...
Maybe this guy?
http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/axel-okongo
Or this guy?
http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/charles-payton
Related note: is he related to Chris Payton the 2019 recruiting we just offered?
Or is it him?
http://verbalcommits.com/players/alton-thompson
I apologize for starting such a thorough search by some. I guess everyone is eager for news, especially as we enter the week before second semester starts and perhaps more bits of information are likely to become official. I was only passing along what I could concerning details I learned last week (from the same credible source that shared with me the presence and activities of Coaches Rob Holloway and Todd Townsend) about "the possibility of a transfer" by a certain player unfortunately I am not at liberty to name for whom Valpo showed interest when he was a high school senior. Like everyone else, I am now eagerly waiting to learn more, one way or the other.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on June 25, 2018, 12:09:21 AM
Zion Morgan perhaps...
Or...
Maybe this guy?
http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/axel-okongo
Or this guy?
http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/charles-payton
Related note: is he related to Chris Payton the 2019 recruiting we just offered?
Or is it him?
http://verbalcommits.com/players/alton-thompson
Interesting. Originally committed to Valpo. Then uncommitted and signed with UNLV. Played 1 uneventful year and transferred to Wabash Valley College (JC). Tore his ACL last July and sat the entire season out. He's supposedly fully recovered. Graduated from WVC and needs a D-1 basketball home.
https://www.twitter.com/addymo707/status/958120640409686016
https://www.twitter.com/YkGrind/status/989632658668965889
I love the child-like people that tell us that they know something the rest of us don't. Why even bring it up here if you cannot repeat the news?
I don't mind. VP is respecting his source. I'd rather hear little tidbits than nothing at all. Besides, most of us are starved for news about the program. Particularly about the staff shake up situation, scheduling and recruiting.
I too am starved for news, a little or alot...but this tease thing? It is obvious that were are trying to fill our staff and perhaps add a player, so where is the news?
Quote from: valpo64 on June 25, 2018, 10:22:40 AM
I too am starved for news, a little or alot...but this tease thing? It is obvious that were are trying to fill our staff and perhaps add a player, so where is the news?
Sorry, 64. Since we had assistant coaches leave, and the lack of recent news about signings made it appear there was inertia with nothing much happening, my sharing those little bits of info I received—about the presence of the two specific, named coaches on campus and their activities plus the interest in a possible transfer of a player Valpo once tried to recruit—simply were meant to assure everyone "starved for news" that there seems to be positive movement.
I was just thinking that the potential transfer could be someone who hasn't officially announced they plan on transferring. Zion Morgan's high school (Kenwood) teammate Nick Robinson was recruited by Valpo. He chose St. Joe's over Valpo. It could be someone like Robinson. I'm thinking it's someone who picked a school far away and may want to transfer closer to home.
Compared to most summers, where we have our scholarships filled, and we're just hoping someone poked their head into the gym to see any shooting or pickup games, this seems to be the most bloodthirsty summer for any news about Valpo basketball, and I, for one, am definitely enjoying the action on this board now.
My question is does your credible source want you to put cryptic information out on the message board in order to attempt to appease the fans? If the answer is "yes", then you did your job.
From where I sit (about 1.5 miles as the crow flies from the MVC offices), while "positive movement" is entertaining to read, announcing a new assistant coach or a transfer is what moves the needle for me. I do wish, however, that the those in authority at VU had 20% of the passion for VU Men's Basketball that those on this message board have. That would go a long way to moving the program to the upper half of the MVC.
No offense, valpopal. I appreciate your efforts to find whatever news is available
Quote from: craftyrighthander on June 25, 2018, 04:12:40 PM
My question is does your credible source want you to put cryptic information out on the message board in order to attempt to appease the fans? If the answer is "yes", then you did your job.
From where I sit (about 1.5 miles as the crow flies from the MVC offices), while "positive movement" is entertaining to read, announcing a new assistant coach or a transfer is what moves the needle for me. I do wish, however, that the those in authority at VU had 20% of the passion for VU Men's Basketball that those on this message board have. That would go a long way to moving the program to the upper half of the MVC.
Not saying it's the case here, but good PR ppl manipulate the fan base like this in the business world all the time.
It's a proven technique in bigger media markets. I'd think we are far too small of a fan board for such things, but how else does a VU media team keep from being bored in the summer?
Quote from: craftyrighthander on June 25, 2018, 04:12:40 PM
My question is does your credible source want you to put cryptic information out on the message board in order to attempt to appease the fans? If the answer is "yes", then you did your job.
From where I sit (about 1.5 miles as the crow flies from the MVC offices), while "positive movement" is entertaining to read, announcing a new assistant coach or a transfer is what moves the needle for me. I do wish, however, that the those in authority at VU had 20% of the passion for VU Men's Basketball that those on this message board have. That would go a long way to moving the program to the upper half of the MVC.
And I would include in that wish rank and file Valpo alumni. Jusy my 2 :twocents:
Quote from: valporun on June 25, 2018, 02:02:05 PM
Compared to most summers, where we have our scholarships filled, and we're just hoping someone poked their head into the gym to see any shooting or pickup games, this seems to be the most bloodthirsty summer for any news about Valpo basketball, and I, for one, am definitely enjoying the action on this board now.
:thumbsup: Some summers there is little board activity and very little on which to comment. Not so for this one.
As for recruiting let me analogize a hypothetical MVCarFleet Buyers Consortium and a very real and similarly titled basketball conference which is annually replacing a near fleet sized number of players. So most of this group has either finished, or near finished or even over finished (too many replacements), this process. Meanwhile
Matt Lotich (our designated buyer) is still looking at some showroom new models while keeping an eye on the back lot for recent trade-ins (transfers) that can give him 1 or 2 or even 3 years of reliable service. Knowing we have a long line of credit (two available scholarships) has to be driving him crazy as he is traveling from lot to lot kicking the tires. So what happens next? Will Matt find us some more overlooked and high powered classics, or will he deliver us another Clark Grizzwald clunker that can't even make it to Wally-World?
TOP TEN TRANSFERS STILL ON THE BOARD
By Kevin Sweeney
https://cbbcentral.com/2018/06/26/top-ten-transfers-still-on-the-board/
https://twitter.com/CBB_Central/status/1011714953810767872
No mention of Faulds. Wow. Seems like an oversight.
valpopal, Any word if this potential transfer would be enrolled in time for summer course by July 2?
Quote from: VU2014 on June 27, 2018, 02:22:05 PM
valpopal, Any word if this potential transfer would be enrolled in time for summer course by July 2?
No, nothing new since I learned about the "
possibility," and I would not think so anyway. However, I would expect an official coaching staff announcement by then since other players will be on campus for the second semester.
Who guessed Nick Robinson as their pick for ValpoPal's clues?
Just saw he is transferring. Guessing he is the rumored guy?
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4066509/nick-robinson
Good Assist to turnover ratio. Not a great 3 point shooter, but was very selective in taking them so he is not a chucker. Good height for a guard. Good rebounder for a guard. I seem to remember people thinking he would be a good defender.
Quote from: VU2014 on June 27, 2018, 02:22:05 PM
valpopal, Any word if this potential transfer would be enrolled in time for summer course by July 2?
(http://i67.tinypic.com/68eu4x.jpg)
If Nick Robinson is the rumored transfer.....some info on him from the SJU MBB webpage.
http://www.sjuhawks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=31200&ATCLID=211082942
Quote from: vufan75 on June 29, 2018, 12:41:59 PM
If Nick Robinson is the rumored transfer.....some info on him from the SJU MBB webpage.
http://www.sjuhawks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=31200&ATCLID=211082942
as a Sophomore he averaged 14 points and 7 rebounds per game during his last 7 games of A10 play on a .500 4th place A10 team. Sit 1 and play 2. This would not be a depth guy, this would be an immediate impact guy.
Quote from: SanityLost17 on June 29, 2018, 12:52:10 PM
as a Sophomore he averaged 14 points and 7 rebounds per game during his last 7 games of A10 play on a .500 4th place A10 team. Sit 1 and play 2. This would not be a depth guy, this would be an immediate impact guy.
Agreed. I believe he won most most-improved player on SJU's team last year. He's a good player and could use the Red-Shirt year to get even better. He looks like a pretty versatile player as well. I'd be very happy if he landed at Valpo. He actually played PG for SJU when they were banged up the last few years. I remember the staff really liked him coming out of High School a few years ago.
https://twitter.com/jmverlin/status/1012774492442152961
Robinson's transfer leaves St. Joe's shorthanded06/29/2018, 2:45pm EDT
By Josh Verlin...
A quote from SJU head coach Phil Martelli in the press release mentioned that
"family circumstances have caused Nick to make this move," so expect the Chicago, Ill. native to wind up closer to home for his final two seasons of college basketball.
...
His former team will have to move forward without the 6-foot-6 combo guard, who averaged 6.4 ppg, 4.4 rpg and 2.2 apg in 62 career games, with 30 starts.
A strong perimeter defender who was more comfortable playing on the ball than off it, he'd been a valuable part of the rotation for two years, though it looked like he was about to potentially break out as a junior.Robinson really hit his stride during the closing run of his second collegiate season, averaging 14.1 ppg and 7.1 rpg while hitting 10-of-15 (.667) from 3-point range over the final seven games of the year. His play was a major reason the Hawks (16-16, 10-8 A-10) closed out the year winning seven of its final nine games despite playing with a seven-man rotation that featured two freshmen and was missing two projected starters -- junior point guard Lamarr "Fresh" Kimble and sophomore wing Charlie Brown Jr. -- to injuries that had kept them out all year.
....
Brown has the best length of the group, but he
wasn't considered as good of an on-ball defender as Robinson, who could guard the '1' through '4's in most lineups.... https://www.cityofbasketballlove.com/news_article/show/930810
Quote from: vufan75 on June 29, 2018, 12:41:59 PMas a Sophomore he averaged 14 points and 7 rebounds per game during his last 7 games of A10 play on a .500 4th place A10 team. Sit 1 and play 2. This would not be a depth guy, this would be an immediate impact guy.
St Josephs had an rpi of 203 for 16-17 and only 149 for 17-18. With that in mind I don't see Robinson as someone capable of either parting or walking on water. That said he has the type of size and versatile talents that in conjunction with our already known parts could put the 19-20 team in serious competition with 97-98, and 15-16 for being our best ever. So yes he could be a solid get and someone among a short list that Matt might consider. :thumbsup:
Maybe Nick Robinson and Zion Morgan will come together. They were HS teammates at Kenwood Academy.
Quote from: wh on June 29, 2018, 11:14:08 PM
Maybe Nick Robinson and Zion Morgan will come together. They were HS teammates at Kenwood Academy.
If Robinson wants to come back to the Midwest. Who are our competitors with scholarships open at this point? Butler, Loyola, DePaul, Marquette, UIC, Northwestern (think they are at capacity)....?
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on June 30, 2018, 05:42:51 AM
Quote from: wh on June 29, 2018, 11:14:08 PM
Maybe Nick Robinson and Zion Morgan will come together. They were HS teammates at Kenwood Academy.
If Robinson wants to come back to the Midwest. Who are our competitors with scholarships open at this point? Butler, Loyola, DePaul, Marquette, UIC, Northwestern (think they are at capacity)....?
A concern is that both coaches that could have been recruiting Robinson may have moved on. Unless Gore...
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on June 30, 2018, 05:44:17 AM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on June 30, 2018, 05:42:51 AM
Quote from: wh on June 29, 2018, 11:14:08 PM
Maybe Nick Robinson and Zion Morgan will come together. They were HS teammates at Kenwood Academy.
If Robinson wants to come back to the Midwest. Who are our competitors with scholarships open at this point? Butler, Loyola, DePaul, Marquette, UIC, Northwestern (think they are at capacity)....?
A concern is that both coaches that could have been recruiting Robinson may have moved on. Unless Gore...
Lottich and Gore were on staff when we were recruiting Robinson out of high school.
Robinson had offers from:-Valpo: 2 available scholarships
-Indiana State: 0 available scholarships
-California: New coaching staff
-UIC: according to VC they have -2 scholarships... someone is getting the boot there. They are flush with 2/3s on their roster
-SLU: New coaching staff and I doubt he transfers within the conference
-Bradley: 0 scholarships
-SIU: 1 scholarship
-Depaul: 1 scholarship
Just heard a rumor that Loyola jumped into Nick Robinson's recruitment...
Loyola's Director of Basketball Operations was his coach on his AAU team Meanstreets. It's against NCAA rules for a DBO to actively recruit a player but I guarantee that rule is broken by many teams.
Geez they go to one Final 4 and suddenly think they're a blue blood. Don't they know if the NCAA finds out that a DBO recruited this player they'll be smacked every bit as hard as any other midmajor that violates the rules?
Quote from: VU2014 on June 30, 2018, 07:30:46 PM
Just heard a rumor that Loyola jumped into Nick Robinson's recruitment...
Of course they did. They've already made 15 class of 2019 offers (all 2-star players). Why not 1 more. Totally insane mid major recruiting strategy. They caught lightning in a bottle once. It will never happen again. Moser is not Brad Stevens and Loyola is not the new Butler. They have enough talent left over to have a respectable 2018-19, but it's down hill from there. Book it.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on June 30, 2018, 09:51:24 PM
Geez they go to one Final 4 and suddenly think they're a blue blood. Don't they know if the NCAA finds out that a DBO recruited this player they'll be smacked every bit as hard as any other midmajor that violates the rules?
To be fair this rule is broken by many teams, even by some at the MM level. It's tough to police. It will be interesting to see where he lands. I definitely think we have a shot at landing him. He'd be a great fit here and there is familiarity with the program from his initial recruitment.
I wonder if he'll qualify for the "hardship waiver". It means he'd be able to avoid a red-shirt season, because the transfer was made for a family emergency. The rule was heavily abused in the past, so the NCAA became much more strict about the rule a few years back. I don't know the whole story about why he is hoping to transfer closer to home.
Fingers crossed he chooses Valpo.
Quote from: wh on June 30, 2018, 10:09:37 PM
Of course they did. They've already made 15 class of 2019 offers (all 2-star players). Why not 1 more. Totally insane mid major recruiting strategy. They caught lightning in a bottle once. It will never happen again. Moser is not Brad Stevens and Loyola is not the new Butler. They have enough talent left over to have a respectable 2018-19, but it's down hill from there. Book it.
Robinson was a 3 star by some services and was widely considered a Top 10 player out of IL in his class. He's a better player then his stats show his first 2 seasons. I think LU has a lot to prove before being considered in the same conversation as butler, but they do have a unique opportunity to ride the momentum which will definitely help with recruitment. They still are returning Custer (NBA draft caliber player) and many other pieces like Krutwig, Townes, Williamson, etc and some hyped transfers. They'll be good next season and arguably the favorite again.
That is ridiculous. It's a common rule that DBO's are restricted - Barry Hinson often cites how hard it was for him to hold back at Kansas. Whose email at the NCAA do you fill an inquiry to?
Quote from: may know on July 01, 2018, 12:04:46 AM
That is ridiculous. It's a common rule that DBO's are restricted - Barry Hinson often cites how hard it was for him to hold back at Kansas. Whose email at the NCAA do you fill an inquiry to?
I have no clue if he specifically reached out or not. I'm just pointing out connections. I just heard that Loyola has interest. They have 1 scholarship available.
Faulds to Michigan... So much for adding a big man this year... Though to be fair we probably never even had a shot at him...
Quote from: VU2014 on July 01, 2018, 12:16:47 AM
Quote from: may know on July 01, 2018, 12:04:46 AM
That is ridiculous. It's a common rule that DBO's are restricted - Barry Hinson often cites how hard it was for him to hold back at Kansas. Whose email at the NCAA do you fill an inquiry to?
I have no clue if he specifically reached out or not. I'm just pointing out connections. I just heard that Loyola has interest. They have 1 scholarship available.
DBO's should be allowed to have friendships from before they took the position. I have no problem with him having coached a player and taking a phone call from Robinson. At some point these rules are silly.
Robinson is listed as the exact same size and weight as Golder. Golder is a better 3 point shooter but Robinson appears to be a better defender, assist, and rebound guy. Both guys were really coming on to end their sophomore seasons. Saint Joe's was a better team than Valpo last year and he was a starter by the end of the season. Would be a great addition if we can beat out the others.
If we find a way to get him and he is somehow eligible to play right away with a potential hardship waiver that would ensure Fazekus is going to play the 4 almost exclusively.
Quote from: SanityLost17 on July 01, 2018, 11:03:22 AM
Robinson is listed as the exact same size and weight as Golder. Golder is a better 3 point shooter but Robinson appears to be a better defender, assist, and rebound guy. Both guys were really coming on to end their sophomore seasons. Saint Joe's was a better team than Valpo last year and he was a starter by the end of the season. Would be a great addition if we can beat out the others.
If we find a way to get him and he is somehow eligible to play right away with a potential hardship waiver that would ensure Fazekus is going to play the 4 almost exclusively.
Golder and Robinson would be a fun pairing because you could play both of them at the same time with multiple lineups. Coach could get really creative with lineups and cause all kinds of mismatches because of their versatility.
Remember how Bryce for some reason liked putting Shane and E Victor at the 1 (when K Carter was getting rest or injured), because their size? (It drove me nuts at times, because neither were great ball handlers) Apparently Robinson could actually run the point if needed or if Coach wanted to put out a lineup with size. I haven't watched enough tape to know if it's a good idea, but Martelli at SJU played him at the 1 at times.
Another important benefit to having Robinson is the intel he could provide on St Joe's a potential opponent we may encounter in Myrtle Beach.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on July 01, 2018, 02:45:45 PM
Another important benefit to having Robinson is the intel he could provide on St Joe's a potential opponent we may encounter in Myrtle Beach.
That would be huge.
Pardon my ignorance but what is a "DBO"?
Director of Basketball Operations
Thank you...I should have known.
Quote from: valpo64 on July 02, 2018, 04:24:13 PM
Thank you...I should have known.
Took me awhile to catch onto DBO as well. Ppl ❤️ Em shortspeak!!!
Quote from: SanityLost17 on July 01, 2018, 11:03:22 AM
Robinson is listed as the exact same size and weight as Golder. Golder is a better 3 point shooter but Robinson appears to be a better defender, assist, and rebound guy. Both guys were really coming on to end their sophomore seasons. Saint Joe's was a better team than Valpo last year and he was a starter by the end of the season. Would be a great addition if we can beat out the others.
If we find a way to get him and he is somehow eligible to play right away with a potential hardship waiver that would ensure Fazekus is going to play the 4 almost exclusively.
His recruitment is problematic in my mind. Thought I read someone said he could get hardship waiver (not sure how, really not enough info out there) so that would make him the 8th scholarship in our "mega class".
IF we are even in the running, I'd prefer he classifies in Mileek's class as a junior in 2019/20, right?
I'm told Parker Hazen will transfer to Daytona State.
Quote from: valpopal on July 02, 2018, 08:22:47 PM
I'm told Parker Hazen will transfer to Daytona State.
Well that is a shock. Clearly a misread by the coaching staff is a three star has to go back to a JC. Hopefully he will enjoy the weather and make it back to a higher level.
Misread by more ten the coaching staff if he was ranked as a 3 star. Seemed him and his brother were both a little to highly thought of.
See.. that's the problem with spell check and auto-correct. M's thumbs are just too big for his phone.
But his point is a good one.
Quote from: valpopal on July 02, 2018, 08:22:47 PM
I'm told Parker Hazen will transfer to Daytona State.
A good strategy in Parker's case. After the year he had, I doubt that he drew much interest from other D-1's. Going JC gives him an opportunity to repair the damage to his standing and pop back up a year from now.
Quote from: vu72 on July 02, 2018, 08:31:43 PMQuote from: valpopal on July 02, 2018, 08:22:47 PMI'm told Parker Hazen will transfer to Daytona State.
Well that is a shock. Clearly a misread by the coaching staff is a three star has to go back to a JC. Hopefully he will enjoy the weather and make it back to a higher level.
It's not the JC route that's the question. It's this JC that's the question. In short, this was the best he could do? It's strange that a player recruited by Valpo would end up in the Florida JC/CC system.
I missed that Paul Oren retweeted the news about Nick Robinson's transfer. That has to be some kind of indication that we have a great shot at getting him. I'm just beginning to wonder where we're going to find the minutes at the 1-3, especially in 2019-2020. I wonder if Golder and Fazekas are going to see a lot of time at the 4 then if not sooner.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on July 04, 2018, 02:13:11 AM
I missed that Paul Oren retweeted the news about Nick Robinson's transfer. That has to be some kind of indication that we have a great shot at getting him. I'm just beginning to wonder where we're going to find the minutes at the 1-3, especially in 2019-2020. I wonder if Golder and Fazekas are going to see a lot of time at the 4 then if not sooner.
Say we land a player that's eligible this year with Robinson's skill set and size (6'6"). How would a lineup look....
Depth Chart
Bradford - Sackey
Evelyn - Freeman - (6'6" Recruit)
Golder - Kaiser
Fazekas - McMillan
Smits - Sorolla
Transfer GORDON
I'm not against a versatile player of size for one of the open scholarships. We simply should not sign any players under 6'5" or corresponding wing span because we have too many G type players. At the proposed height that player can play G and F which is huge on this team. Right now KAISER and Golder are our only versatile players in that regard and KAISER is simply not a scorer. We need buckets imo.
Having a utility guy like KAISER is very important, but maybe not at the expense of scoring on this relatively young team.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on July 04, 2018, 02:13:11 AM
I missed that Paul Oren retweeted the news about Nick Robinson's transfer. That has to be some kind of indication that we have a great shot at getting him. I'm just beginning to wonder where we're going to find the minutes at the 1-3, especially in 2019-2020. I wonder if Golder and Fazekas are going to see a lot of time at the 4 then if not sooner.
I'll jump on that hope train. But I think at its root it might only mean because we were in on his recruiting back when, therefore...
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on July 02, 2018, 06:43:53 PM
Quote from: SanityLost17 on July 01, 2018, 11:03:22 AM
Robinson is listed as the exact same size and weight as Golder. Golder is a better 3 point shooter but Robinson appears to be a better defender, assist, and rebound guy. Both guys were really coming on to end their sophomore seasons. Saint Joe's was a better team than Valpo last year and he was a starter by the end of the season. Would be a great addition if we can beat out the others.
If we find a way to get him and he is somehow eligible to play right away with a potential hardship waiver that would ensure Fazekus is going to play the 4 almost exclusively.
His recruitment is problematic in my mind. Thought I read someone said he could get hardship waiver (not sure how, really not enough info out there) so that would make him the 8th scholarship in our "mega class".
IF we are even in the running, I'd prefer he classifies in Mileek's class as a junior in 2019/20, right?
If he is available and we have a chance for him we have to take it no matter what class he is part of. If he is somehow able to get a hardship waiver (complete speculation - so probably not going to happen) he basically takes Kaiser out of the equation for the current junior class. With Golder finding himself at the end of last year, Robinson having fantastic intangible statistics in a good league (A10), and the additions of Fazekus/JFL, I just don't see how Kaiser gets any playing time.
Only way Kaiser is getting some playing time is if Bradford is a bust for his junior year and doesn't make the jump from his practice game to real games.
That said, I think he will likely have to sit a year, which is perhaps more ideal as we try to balance out recruiting classes.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on July 04, 2018, 08:23:38 AM
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on July 04, 2018, 02:13:11 AM
I missed that Paul Oren retweeted the news about Nick Robinson's transfer. That has to be some kind of indication that we have a great shot at getting him. I'm just beginning to wonder where we're going to find the minutes at the 1-3, especially in 2019-2020. I wonder if Golder and Fazekas are going to see a lot of time at the 4 then if not sooner.
Say we land a player that's eligible this year with Robinson's skill set and size (6'6"). How would a lineup look....
Depth Chart
Bradford - Sackey
Evelyn - Freeman - (6'6" Recruit)
Golder - Kaiser
Fazekas - McMillan
Smits - Sorolla
Transfer GORDON
I'm not against a versatile player of size for one of the open scholarships. We simply should not sign any players under 6'5" or corresponding wing span because we have too many G type players. At the proposed height that player can play G and F which is huge on this team. Right now KAISER and Golder are our only versatile players in that regard and KAISER is simply not a scorer. We need buckets imo.
Having a utility guy like KAISER is very important, but maybe not at the expense of scoring on this relatively young team.
I'm also a big KAISER fan.
Quote from: EddieCabot on July 04, 2018, 01:17:31 PM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on July 04, 2018, 08:23:38 AM
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on July 04, 2018, 02:13:11 AM
I missed that Paul Oren retweeted the news about Nick Robinson's transfer. That has to be some kind of indication that we have a great shot at getting him. I'm just beginning to wonder where we're going to find the minutes at the 1-3, especially in 2019-2020. I wonder if Golder and Fazekas are going to see a lot of time at the 4 then if not sooner.
Say we land a player that's eligible this year with Robinson's skill set and size (6'6"). How would a lineup look....
Depth Chart
Bradford - Sackey
Evelyn - Freeman - (6'6" Recruit)
Golder - Kaiser
Fazekas - McMillan
Smits - Sorolla
Transfer GORDON
I'm not against a versatile player of size for one of the open scholarships. We simply should not sign any players under 6'5" or corresponding wing span because we have too many G type players. At the proposed height that player can play G and F which is huge on this team. Right now KAISER and Golder are our only versatile players in that regard and KAISER is simply not a scorer. We need buckets imo.
Having a utility guy like KAISER is very important, but maybe not at the expense of scoring on this relatively young team.
I'm also a big KAISER fan.
That's what happens when iPhone autocorrect pulls from your work address book. Sometimes you just go with it and curse while proceeding. Other times you wonder why ppl spend so much time correcting others rather than conversing. Another TOO friend eh!?!?
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on July 04, 2018, 08:23:38 AM
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on July 04, 2018, 02:13:11 AM
I missed that Paul Oren retweeted the news about Nick Robinson's transfer. That has to be some kind of indication that we have a great shot at getting him. I'm just beginning to wonder where we're going to find the minutes at the 1-3, especially in 2019-2020. I wonder if Golder and Fazekas are going to see a lot of time at the 4 then if not sooner.
Say we land a player that's eligible this year with Robinson's skill set and size (6'6"). How would a lineup look....
Depth Chart
Bradford - Sackey
Evelyn - Freeman - (6'6" Recruit)
Golder - Kaiser
Fazekas - McMillan
Smits - Sorolla
Transfer GORDON
I'm not against a versatile player of size for one of the open scholarships. We simply should not sign any players under 6'5" or corresponding wing span because we have too many G type players. At the proposed height that player can play G and F which is huge on this team. Right now KAISER and Golder are our only versatile players in that regard and KAISER is simply not a scorer. We need buckets imo.
Having a utility guy like KAISER is very important, but maybe not at the expense of scoring on this relatively young team.
Kiser is just one of those guys who is going to earn minutes on this team, even if he's not a skilled offensive player. It's frustrating having him out there when the team is on one of those multi-minute scoreless streaks but he's crafty defender who does the little things correctly. Coach Lottich will probably favor Kiser over Fazekas and McMillan if they're a defensive weakness at the end of games. If Kiser could add a reliable 3 point shot to keep his defenders honest and to space the floor it could be a game changer for the team when he's on the court.
Adding a '3 and D' guy with size would be ideal.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on July 04, 2018, 01:26:52 PM
That's what happens when iPhone autocorrect pulls from your work address book. Sometimes you just go with it and curse while proceeding. Other times you wonder why ppl spend so much time correcting others rather than conversing. Another TOO friend eh!?!?
Understood. Impressed that Franz Beckenbauer is in your address book! :thumbsup: (apoligies to non-soccer fans)
I was picturing Kaiser Soze.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on June 18, 2018, 06:03:20 PM
Any updates on Roberts or Faulds? Also, perhaps we can get in on this grad-transfer?
https://twitter.com/CollegeHoopNews/status/1008374122898972672
Crandall has landed at Gonzaga.
Quote from: valpopal on July 05, 2018, 03:48:07 PMQuote from: VUGrad1314 on June 18, 2018, 06:03:20 PMAny updates on Roberts or Faulds? Also, perhaps we can get in on this grad-transfer? https://twitter.com/CollegeHoopNews/status/1008374122898972672
Crandall has landed at Gonzaga.
Faulds transferred to Michigan.
It's official!!! Big time addition to the team!
https://twitter.com/joehoopsreport/status/1015301568126693378
https://twitter.com/joehoopsreport/status/1015302710650908672
https://twitter.com/CBB_Central/status/1015311771744309248
YES!!! And we now have a person who can help us prepare if we play St. Joe's in Myrtle Beach! Is he going to sit or play under a hardship waiver?
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on July 06, 2018, 01:45:50 PM
YES!!! And we now have a person who can help us prepare if we play St. Joe's in Myrtle Beach! Is he going to sit or play under a hardship waiver?
It sounds like a 'sit 1, play 2' but nobody has confirm it yet.
Quote from: VU2014 on July 06, 2018, 02:23:49 PM
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on July 06, 2018, 01:45:50 PM
YES!!! And we now have a person who can help us prepare if we play St. Joe's in Myrtle Beach! Is he going to sit or play under a hardship waiver?
It sounds like a 'sit 1, play 2' but nobody has confirm it yet.
If he can play this year---GREAT---- if not there are some enormous future benefits if he redshirts.
I think it will be best if he sits so he won't be part of the junior class all leaving. This year should be very good but the following year could bring a title back to Valpo! Great get!!
Quote from: vu72 on July 06, 2018, 02:33:50 PM
I think it will be best if he sits so he won't be part of the junior class all leaving. This year should be very good but the following year could bring a title back to Valpo! Great get!!
That 2019-2020 team could be special. I REALLY hope that Valpo vs Vandy series starts in 2019-20!
Quote from: valpopal on June 24, 2018, 11:00:19 AM
I understand Valpo would like to add a transfer they tried to recruit out of high school. Would be a very good addition to the team if it works out.
It took a couple of weeks, but now we can officially offer a greeting: "Welcome back to the neighborhood, Mr. Robinson!"
(http://i67.tinypic.com/1zqpzte.jpg)
The talent and depth is there for us to move into the top 5 this year and fight for a championship the following year (assuming no major transfers).
I think Lottich has proven he can attract talented players, even in years with assistant coach turnover. Now we will see how good of a coach he is on the floor.
I still think this puts Kiser's minutes at risk as Robinson seems to be an intangibles guy just like Kiser only better.
Or is this like having a second Golder? Regardless the wing rotation just got a lot better and a lot harder to score on.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on July 06, 2018, 03:05:18 PM
Or is this like having a second Golder? Regardless the wing rotation just got a lot better and a lot harder to score on.
Golder is more athletic and probably a better shooter, but the versatility is similar. It sounds like Robinson is a better ball handler. Both could defend multiple positions.
This is going to be fun... Lottich can throw so many different looks at teams...
Quote from: VU2014 on July 06, 2018, 03:15:47 PM
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on July 06, 2018, 03:05:18 PM
Or is this like having a second Golder? Regardless the wing rotation just got a lot better and a lot harder to score on.
Golder is more athletic and probably a better shooter, but the versatility is similar. It sounds like Robinson is a better ball handler. Both could defend multiple positions.
Let's not overlook Langston Stallings. 6'4" 206#, a fantastic athlete as he is also a star baseball player and track athlete.
Anybody got an update on Justin Roberts (DePaul transfer)? Are we still interested or are we banking this one in case a guy like Akot becomes available at the mid-term?
Quote from: VU2014 on July 06, 2018, 02:23:49 PMQuote from: VUGrad1314 on July 06, 2018, 01:45:50 PMYES!!! And we now have a person who can help us prepare if we play St. Joe's in Myrtle Beach! Is he going to sit or play under a hardship waiver?
It sounds like a 'sit 1, play 2' but nobody has confirm it yet.
If he's eligible this year I like our chances for a top 5 finish a bit more. Still have us in that 5-8 mix that's really hard to predict but he could really help push us toward the higher end of that range. But I agree with what others have said him sitting this year may be best going forward.
It probably helps that we can point to a slew of professional basketball players over the last 25 years, and 2 current NBA players :)
Quote from: vu72 on July 06, 2018, 03:57:51 PMLet's not overlook Langston Stallings. 6'4" 206#, a fantastic athlete
Somehow I had not originally realized that he is a Lilly Scholar. This kid should never need an athletic scholarship even if he has earned one. But like I asked in April----Can he develop an outside shot ???
In Robinson it appears we have strong rebounding which is BADLY needed on last years team. Combine that with effective offense and my previous concern (too many Guards) feels less founded.
Looks like we could play he and Golder with a PG and really play some defense.
I'm picturing a lineup (in two years) of:
Daniel Sackey (5'10")
Javon Freeman (6'3")
Nick Robinson (6'6")
Markus Golder (6'6")
Mileek McMillan (6'8")
With an aim to out "athlete" the opponent! And we aren't even listing Evelyn (6'2") or Fazekas (6'8") or Gordon (6'3") in that lineup! Any of those guys are interchangeable to maintain solid reach and athleticism.
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/1015426195431870464
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on July 06, 2018, 09:44:00 PM
In Robinson it appears we have strong rebounding which is BADLY needed on last years team. Combine that with effective offense and my previous concern (too many Guards) feels less founded.
Looks like we could play he and Golder with a PG and really play some defense.
I'm picturing a lineup (in two years) of:
Daniel Sackey (5'10")
Javon Freeman (6'3")
Nick Robinson (6'6")
Markus Golder (6'6")
Mileek McMillan (6'8")
With an aim to out "athlete" the opponent! And we aren't even listing Evelyn (6'2") or Fazekas (6'8") or Gordon (6'3") in that lineup! Any of those guys are interchangeable to maintain solid reach and athleticism.
I could see that as a small ball lineup. I think the 7 footers will still be in the starting lineup. Bakari is going to make a hard push to be the starting PG but he could be a 2G in my book as well. Either way it's a great problem to have. There is some potentially very nice and impactful depth options on this roster.
Quote from: VU2014 on July 06, 2018, 11:24:02 PMstrong rebounding which is BADLY needed on last years team.
Agreed but I think we will see continued improvement from our twin towers. As freshman they averaged a combined 8.6 points and 6.6 boards, last year it was up to 12.4 points and 7 boards. This year I would expect around 15-20 points and 10-12 boards and their senior year? Perhaps what we had hoped for from the beginning.
Quote from: vu72 on July 07, 2018, 07:41:59 AM
Quote from: VU2014 on July 06, 2018, 11:24:02 PMstrong rebounding which is BADLY needed on last years team.
Agreed but I think we will see continued improvement from our twin towers. As freshman they averaged a combined 8.6 points and 6.6 boards, last year it was up to 12.4 points and 7 boards. This year I would expect around 15-20 points and 10-12 boards and their senior year? Perhaps what we had hoped for from the beginning.
They need to nearly double their rebounding YOY? Boy I hope that's realistic but I'm not holding out much hope. Rebounding is want and b-ball IQ/positioning. I'd have thought by their soph years we'd have seen real rebounding numbers but not so much.
1 - Bakari / Sackey / Stallings
2 - JFL / Bradford / Gordon
3 - Robinson / Golder / Kiser
4 - Fazekus / McMilllan
5 - Smits / Sorolla
Depth chart 2 years from now if nobody transfers. Everybody seems to think all 13 have talent. There is not enough playing time for everyone.
Stallings = Walk-On
Sackey = Unproven, all we know is that he is quick
Gordon = Not great stats at SH but was great in HS
Sorolla = I thought he had a better freshman year than sophomore year
Kiser = Has the work ethic and drive but lots of people ahead of him with more natural ability
McMillan = Everyone sees potential but will it actually come together
Bradford = Practice All-Star but yet to show off consistency in games
I think everyone else is a no-brainer for playing time (Bakari/JFL/Robinson/Golder/Fazekus/Smits). That leaves playing time for MAYBE 4 more guys if we go 10 deep.
A few of these guys are going to ride the pine. The question is, who is it going to be?
Quote from: VU2014 on July 06, 2018, 11:24:02 PMThere is some potentially very nice and impactful depth options on this roster.
In regards to the 2019-20 season the above sentence may be the understatement of the decade. And---- :thewave: We are still sitting on another scholarship. :thumbsup:
Quote from: SanityLost17 on July 07, 2018, 08:21:49 AM
1 - Bakari / Sackey / Stallings
2 - JFL / Bradford / Gordon
3 - Robinson / Golder / Kiser
4 - Fazekus / McMilllan
5 - Smits / Sorolla
Depth chart 2 years from now if nobody transfers. Everybody seems to think all 13 have talent. There is not enough playing time for everyone.
Stallings = Walk-On
Sackey = Unproven, all we know is that he is quick
Gordon = Not great stats at SH but was great in HS
Sorolla = I thought he had a better freshman year than sophomore year
Kiser = Has the work ethic and drive but lots of people ahead of him with more natural ability
McMillan = Everyone sees potential but will it actually come together
Bradford = Practice All-Star but yet to show off consistency in games
I think everyone else is a no-brainer for playing time (Bakari/JFL/Robinson/Golder/Fazekus/Smits). That leaves playing time for MAYBE 4 more guys if we go 10 deep.
A few of these guys are going to ride the pine. The question is, who is it going to be?
Shouldn't transfer Steven Helm (son of a faculty member) be added to the depth chart as a walk-on also. He should be returned from his Mormon mission by then. Shot 47% from the 3-point line and led the nation with more than 94% from the foul line at Carroll College.
Quote from: valpopal on July 07, 2018, 10:57:33 AM
Quote from: SanityLost17 on July 07, 2018, 08:21:49 AM
1 - Bakari / Sackey / Stallings
2 - JFL / Bradford / Gordon
3 - Robinson / Golder / Kiser
4 - Fazekus / McMilllan
5 - Smits / Sorolla
Depth chart 2 years from now if nobody transfers. Everybody seems to think all 13 have talent. There is not enough playing time for everyone.
Stallings = Walk-On
Sackey = Unproven, all we know is that he is quick
Gordon = Not great stats at SH but was great in HS
Sorolla = I thought he had a better freshman year than sophomore year
Kiser = Has the work ethic and drive but lots of people ahead of him with more natural ability
McMillan = Everyone sees potential but will it actually come together
Bradford = Practice All-Star but yet to show off consistency in games
I think everyone else is a no-brainer for playing time (Bakari/JFL/Robinson/Golder/Fazekus/Smits). That leaves playing time for MAYBE 4 more guys if we go 10 deep.
A few of these guys are going to ride the pine. The question is, who is it going to be?
Shouldn't transfer Steven Helm (son of a faculty member) be added to the depth chart as a walk-on also. He should be returned from his Mormon mission by then. Shot 47% from the 3-point line and led the nation with more than 94% from the foul line at Carroll College.
His two-year mission would start between now and the fall. So he's back for 2020/21 season right? That would make him available for the 3rd year. Which might be good timing for him because we graduate 2/3 of our team the season prior...
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on July 07, 2018, 11:57:56 AM
His two-year mission would start between now and the fall. So he's back for 2020/21 season right? That would make him available for the 3rd year. Which might be good timing for him because we graduate 2/3 of our team the season prior...
I'm not sure how much we'll rely on Helm when it comes to on the court minutes but I think he has the chance be an important role on this team from a leadership perspective. He may even play some significant minutes as a backup PG. He should be physically mature by the time he returns from his mission. You could probably expect a significant amount of rust when he gets back.
The Coaching staff is recruiting HS Point Guards pretty hard for that 2020 class after Bakari and Bradford graduate. It makes sense to want to space the PG scholarship players out every 2 years or so. By the time a freshman PG comes in, Sackey will be a Junior and hopefully a impact starter by that time.
I'm also not sure how much run Langston will get this season in terms of playing time. He looks appears to be very athletic and a good finisher around the rim but I'm not sure about his other skills. I'm sure he'll get some playing time early on against some of the non-D1s or low majors like UCR & SIUE if we take care of business in the 1st half and blow them out to get the young guys some playing time. He still could be a very valuable member of the team going up against the starters in practice. Kiser's freshman year he went up against AP in practice and it no doubt made him a better player. It will be fun to see his development. He's definitely not your average walk-on.
A good article in the Post-Trib
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/1015643702826557443
Nick's pick: Chicago Kenwood graduate Nick Robinson transfers to Valparaiso from St. Joseph's
Michael Osipoff
Post-Tribune
July 6, 2018
http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/post-tribune/sports/ct-ptb-spt-mens-basketball-valparaiso-nick-robinson-st-0708-story.html
Quote from: VU2014 on July 07, 2018, 12:55:51 PM
A good article in the Post-Trib
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/1015643702826557443
Nick's pick: Chicago Kenwood graduate Nick Robinson transfers to Valparaiso from St. Joseph's
Michael Osipoff
Post-Tribune
July 6, 2018
http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/post-tribune/sports/ct-ptb-spt-mens-basketball-valparaiso-nick-robinson-st-0708-story.html
Glad to have him on board as a "Sit one, Play two" addition. Gives us less juniors in the mega class.
Robinson's Thursday and Friday visit/signing was scheduled perfectly since deadline to add second-semester summer classes was Friday at 5 p.m. Good to see he'll be on campus with his teammates.
There was a interesting little nugget included at the end of the article where Michael mentions that Valpo is looking to add a grad transfer with the last scholarship. What position do you think the coaching staff is looking to add?
Quote from: VU2014 on July 07, 2018, 02:38:33 PM
There was interesting little nugget included at the end of the article where Michael mentions that the Valpo is looking add a grad transfer with the last scholarship. What position do you think the coaching staff is looking to add?
I combed the transfer list looking for the remaining immediately eligible seniors. Lets say about 15 are left and some carry some baggage or injury questions. None look to be absolute game changers for 18-19 but a few could certainly help. Most are guards. Might Major Canady a SG from Drexel be one of our top targets?
I doubt we can find anybody at this late stage. Obviously, a 4 would be highly sought after. My guess is we sit on it for a mid-semester transfer.
I heard a name of a grad-transfer combo guard that could be headed our way a few days ago: Deion Lavender. He played his first year of CBB at SIU, then transfer to UAB and played 2 years there and then was set to transfer to a D2 school named Maryville. Rivals ranked him as 3 star coming out of HS. He didn't put up big numbers at UAB but he seems like a solid veteran depth guy who could contribute. He was considered a Top 10-15 recruit out of IL his senior year. His UAB teammate transferred to Drake as a grad-transfer.
Stats: https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/deion-lavender-1.html
Height: 6-4
Weight: 192
Hometown: Alton, IL
#5 Deion Lavender
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB8f4Bb7ocE
High School Highlights:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufhVrGG6RG4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GK_ZXeUYrY8
Why he left SIU: start at 1:45 mark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJxiy-ku0lg
Would much rather have Justin Roberts (DePaul transfer PG sit 1 play 3) if he's still an option even if that creates\exacerbates a log jam on the roster. Get the most talent you can and let the cream rise to the top.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4278558/justin-roberts
How about this guy!
http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/djery-baptiste
Verbals commits says immediately eligible and leaving Vanderbilt. A 4 star by ESPN. Might Bryce do us a favor?
Two veteran players 'no longer part' of UAB basketball program
Updated on Feb 15, 2018 at 10:32 AM CST
https://www.google.com/amp/s/articles.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2018/02/two_veterans_players_no_longer.amp
I hope the coaching staff thinks long and hard before adding a role player who quit on his former team only a few months ago and who would be playing on his third team in 4 years.
Quote from: wh on July 08, 2018, 06:01:25 PM
Two veteran players 'no longer part' of UAB basketball program
Updated on Feb 15, 2018 at 10:32 AM CST
https://www.google.com/amp/s/articles.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2018/02/two_veterans_players_no_longer.amp
I hope the coaching staff thinks long and hard before adding a role player who quit on his former team only a few months ago and who would be playing on his third team in 4 years.
It could be a case that he's received some pretty bad advice. It appears it was a poor decision to leave SIU, but they had an astonishing 5 transfers in one offseason when he left. He saw his role diminish from his sophomore year to his Junior year at UAB. But I agree it's a bit of red flag to see a guy transfer 3 times. The Coaches would need to get him on campus and sit down with him and see if he's a fit.
Quote from: vu72 on July 08, 2018, 05:58:48 PMHow about this guy! http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/djery-baptiste (http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/djery-baptiste) Verbals commits says immediately eligible and leaving Vanderbilt. A 4 star by ESPN. Might Bryce do us a favor?
Brilliant! Here are his numbers.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/3911624/djery-baptiste
This would be like getting another Vashil, or everything we want Sorolla to be. It would also create an interesting and versatile frontcourt if we could pair Smits and this guy together. Still plenty of minutes for Sorolla and he can go against backups where he'd be better suited and can get his confidence up. 40 minutes of having a legitimate rim protector would be nice. And he'd help us prepare for our series with Vandy. Is it hyperbolic for me to say that a guy like this could be the missing piece of a potential deep tournament run?
Quote from: VU2014 on July 08, 2018, 06:15:30 PMBut I agree it's a bit of red flag to see a guy transfer 3 times. The Coaches would need to get him on campus and sit down with him and see if he's a fit.
I'll pass.
Quote from: justducky on July 08, 2018, 06:28:36 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on July 08, 2018, 06:15:30 PMBut I agree it's a bit of red flag to see a guy transfer 3 times. The Coaches would need to get him on campus and sit down with him and see if he's a fit.
I'll pass.
Two words: Brandon Wood. It certainly can work out well if you find a kid like Brandon.
Not a grad transfer, but perhaps a long-term solution for depth at the 4?
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4277938/greg-eboigbodin
http://verbalcommits.com/players/greg-eboigbodin
Since I remember seeing his name pop up somewhere in this thread I'll pass this along: Adonis De la Rosa to Illinois
https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1013865415833997313
Quote from: vu72 on July 08, 2018, 07:17:38 PM
Quote from: justducky on July 08, 2018, 06:28:36 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on July 08, 2018, 06:15:30 PMBut I agree it's a bit of red flag to see a guy transfer 3 times. The Coaches would need to get him on campus and sit down with him and see if he's a fit.
I'll pass.
Two words: Brandon Wood. It certainly can work out well if you find a kid like Brandon.
Good point. Those teams with Wood and Johnson were high-powered and exciting to watch!
It's official.
https://twitter.com/ValpoBasketball/status/1016329118919651329
Nick Robinson Signs Agreement to Join Valpo Men's Basketball Program
MONDAY, JULY 9, 2018
http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2018-19/18297/nick-robinson-signs-agreement-to-join-valpo-mens-basketball-program/
Quote from: VU2014 on July 09, 2018, 09:34:35 AM
It's official.
https://twitter.com/ValpoBasketball/status/1016329118919651329
Nick Robinson Signs Agreement to Join Valpo Men's Basketball Program
MONDAY, JULY 9, 2018
http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2018-19/18297/nick-robinson-signs-agreement-to-join-valpo-mens-basketball-program/
The state of Indiana loves its basketball (myself included), but I think no more so than the city of Chicago and the burbs. High quality coaching, highly competitive basketball played at a high level, history and tradition, love and respect for the game - everything IN has. LaVonte Dority, Keith Carter, Jubril Adekoya and Lexus Williams all left their marks on Valpo basketball as great players and great role models. Now it's Javon's and Nick's turn to make their mark, and I'm looking forward to it with great anticipation.
VUGrad1314,from what I'm hearing on Roberts is he's weighing his options and is really wanting a P5 offer. He's not going to get get it, IMO but I've been wrong before. JC is an also option. He's a sit 1 play 3 and if he saw what he'd playing with going forward at Valpo it would be a NICE destination for him. Plus he bridges the gap between Evelyn and Bradford and allow Lottich and company to develop their PG of the future. Maybe Evelyn and Bradford having an extra year scares him, I don't know but he'd have 2years of running the show on this team which has aspirations of having a bounty of talent for some years. He's not NBA sized but Valpo has proven that it take kids of lesser pedigree and allow them to make money professionally somewhere.
I think Lavender is going to be a Crusader and take that last scholarship.
Quote from: VU2014 on July 10, 2018, 07:42:18 PM
I think Lavender is going to be a Crusader and take that last scholarship.
Deion Lavender 6'2" SG? Why?
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on July 10, 2018, 07:54:28 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on July 10, 2018, 07:42:18 PM
I think Lavender is going to be a Crusader and take that last scholarship.
Deion Lavender 6'2" SG? Why?
6'4" combo. For a depth grad-transfer he might not be a bad pick up. It insures that the coaching staff will get at least one scholarship for a income freshman in that 2019 class, barring any transfers. Not every guy is going to be a impact guy. You need role players to make the team and maybe he could be that for us.
Quote from: VU2014 on July 10, 2018, 07:57:21 PM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on July 10, 2018, 07:54:28 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on July 10, 2018, 07:42:18 PM
I think Lavender is going to be a Crusader and take that last scholarship.
Deion Lavender 6'2" SG? Why?
6'4" combo. For a depth grad-transfer he might not be a bad pick up. It insures that the coaching staff will get at least one scholarship for a income freshman in that 2019 class, barring any transfers. Not every guy is going to be a impact guy. You need role players to make the team and maybe he could be that for us.
I suppose if we have zero chance of landing a serviceable PF in this class then what's the hurt. Mid season transfers and a last chance PF this summer are all that we lose with this guy.
Anyone else excited for the next Union Street Hoops!?!?
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on July 10, 2018, 08:25:13 PM
Anyone else excited for the next Union Street Hoops!?!?
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Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on July 10, 2018, 08:24:04 PM
I suppose if we have zero chance of landing a serviceable PF in this class then what's the hurt. Mid season transfers and a last chance PF this summer are all that we lose with this guy.
That would have been my preference also but maybe it's a sign that the coaching staff is confident that Mileek is going to take a big step forward next season. It could also be a sign that Fazekas is going to be playing some stretch 4 next season.
I think I'd rather give those minutes on the wing to JFL or Fazekas and wait for a potential impact player in the frontcourt or an impact piece for the future. I think we should at least try to get Baptiste, or Roberts,or Eboigbodin first. I am leery of the numerous transfers by Lavender as well. Brandon Wood is the best case scenario for that situation--and maybe Lavender can be that--but oftentimes there's a reason players can't find a stable place in college hoops.
Quote from: VU2014 on July 10, 2018, 07:57:21 PM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on July 10, 2018, 07:54:28 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on July 10, 2018, 07:42:18 PM
I think Lavender is going to be a Crusader and take that last scholarship.
Deion Lavender 6'2" SG? Why?
6'4" combo. For a depth grad-transfer he might not be a bad pick up. It insures that the coaching staff will get at least one scholarship for a income freshman in that 2019 class, barring any transfers. Not every guy is going to be a impact guy. You need role players to make the team and maybe he could be that for us.
I am comfortable with the chemistry and mix that Matt has collected, but subtraction by addition is really a thing and we could be on the verge of it now. So using the argument that we should roll the dice with our last scholarship is a fools bet. Our 13'th scholarship is just as important as our first and we need another perfect fit.
Quote from: justducky on July 11, 2018, 11:00:54 AM
Quote from: VU2014 on July 10, 2018, 07:57:21 PM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on July 10, 2018, 07:54:28 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on July 10, 2018, 07:42:18 PM
I think Lavender is going to be a Crusader and take that last scholarship.
Deion Lavender 6'2" SG? Why?
6'4" combo. For a depth grad-transfer he might not be a bad pick up. It insures that the coaching staff will get at least one scholarship for a income freshman in that 2019 class, barring any transfers. Not every guy is going to be a impact guy. You need role players to make the team and maybe he could be that for us.
I am comfortable with the chemistry and mix that Matt has collected, but subtraction by addition is really a thing and we could be on the verge of it now. So using the argument that we should roll the dice with our last scholarship is a fools bet. Our 13'th scholarship is just as important as our first and we need another perfect fit.
It's important to remember that the Coaches have 95% more info on a kid then we do. They actually bring kids in and see if they're a culture fit, do research on them, talk to their former coaches, etc. Us reading into the fact that a kid transferred twice and basing our opinion on him off that is irresponsible and misinformed. If the coaches like him and clear him then I'm cool with it. They are the real professionals. This staff has good track record of putting a emphasis on culture fit.
Quote from: VU2014 on July 10, 2018, 07:42:18 PM
I think Lavender is going to be a Crusader and take that last scholarship.
Bingo! ;)
Quote from: valpopal on July 11, 2018, 01:05:34 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on July 10, 2018, 07:42:18 PM
I think Lavender is going to be a Crusader and take that last scholarship.
Bingo! ;)
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Quote from: valpopal on July 11, 2018, 01:05:34 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on July 10, 2018, 07:42:18 PM
I think Lavender is going to be a Crusader and take that last scholarship.
Bingo! ;)
You guys seem convinced and maybe you are correct. His sophomore numbers at UAB were his best but they were a long way from being really good. What role would he play for us and how many minutes could he earn ??? What is the upside for the team if this is our addition?
This guy averaged 2.8 PPG. What's so special about that?
Paul
Quote from: 78crusader on July 11, 2018, 07:29:13 PM
This guy averaged 2.8 PPG. What's so special about that?
Paul
It looks like he saw his role reduced last season. Just from the sense I get, but it may have been an unwise decision to leave SIU to begin with or to at least end up at UAB. His PER was a 13.0 which is nothing special but his eFG% was 55% which is good but his FT% was 55.6% last season (career 73.7%).
The coaches must like some aspect to his game that probably doesn't show up in the stats. Maybe he will surprise us.
Quote from: VU2014 on July 11, 2018, 07:45:29 PMMaybe he will surprise us.
Pleasantly or unpleasantly? ::)
Quote from: VU2014 on July 11, 2018, 07:45:29 PM
It looks like he saw his role reduced last season. Just from the sense I get, but it may have been an unwise decision to leave SIU to begin with or to at least end up at UAB. His PER was a 13.0 which is nothing special but his eFG% was 55% which is good but his FT% was 55.6% last season (career 73.7%).
The coaches must like some aspect to his game that probably doesn't show up in the stats. Maybe he will surprise us.
His eFG% was 55% on 33 field goal attempts, so I wouldn't read too much into that either way. As you said, his role was reduced last season. My main question is how did he grow 2 inches between the 2017 and 2018 season? Seems odd that he was listed as 6'2 from 2015-17 and then 2018 comes and he's 6'4. My only concern is his high turnover rate considering his lower than average usage rate, and his 3 point shooting percentage. Him leaving UAB in mid-February this past season was also a little strange, but I'm sure Valpo's coaching staff has vetted the reason(s) behind that.
It's not really wasting a scholarship either way when the 13th scholarship is used on a grad transfer, and considering that most of Valpo's guard depth is either going to be young or unproven, having a guy who's familiar with the MVC and that's been through the battles will be helpful to the younger guys.
Quote from: IrishDawg on July 11, 2018, 08:23:59 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on July 11, 2018, 07:45:29 PM
It looks like he saw his role reduced last season. Just from the sense I get, but it may have been an unwise decision to leave SIU to begin with or to at least end up at UAB. His PER was a 13.0 which is nothing special but his eFG% was 55% which is good but his FT% was 55.6% last season (career 73.7%).
The coaches must like some aspect to his game that probably doesn't show up in the stats. Maybe he will surprise us.
His eFG% was 55% on 33 field goal attempts, so I wouldn't read too much into that either way. As you said, his role was reduced last season. My main question is how did he grow 2 inches between the 2017 and 2018 season? Seems odd that he was listed as 6'2 from 2015-17 and then 2018 comes and he's 6'4. My only concern is his high turnover rate considering his lower than average usage rate, and his 3 point shooting percentage. Him leaving UAB in mid-February this past season was also a little strange, but I'm sure Valpo's coaching staff has vetted the reason(s) behind that.
It's not really wasting a scholarship either way when the 13th scholarship is used on a grad transfer, and considering that most of Valpo's guard depth is either going to be young or unproven, having a guy who's familiar with the MVC and that's been through the battles will be helpful to the younger guys.
It's telling that the coaches didn't just leave that open for mid season transfers. Does this mean we have concern at the guard position as Irish says?
I'm leaning towards his potential addition as Lottich trying to avoid throwing Sackey and Javon to the wolves early on. Maybe coach saw how tough the transition was for our rookies last year in this conference ...Hazen/McMillan/Germany. They were sort of forced into unfavorable trial by fire. And it likely burned Hazen out prematurely.
But geez we are thin at PF/size. I also agree that Lavender is likely 6'2" tops.
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/1017237158288084993
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/1017237323820552192
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/1017238282973794304
Quote from: valpopal on July 11, 2018, 03:06:59 PM
Quote from: valpopal on July 11, 2018, 01:05:34 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on July 10, 2018, 07:42:18 PM
I think Lavender is going to be a Crusader and take that last scholarship.
Bingo! ;)
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..and here it is:
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I'm hoping that somebody will speak up and put a really positive spin on this so my excitement level will return to yesterdays measure.
Wait--I'll do it myself. We now have a seasoned, up and down the road senior veteran whose warm, immediately eligible, and uninjured body will give us one year of backup help for our untested freshman guards. :thumbsup:
Maybe someone can do a little digging, but I believe we may have tried to recruit Lavender (or a teammate) out of high school. If true, perhaps a memory of those days stimulated the signing. But, if he "signed" with Maryville, even though a DII school, can he change his mind and sign with someone else? Aren't LOIs binding or is that only the case within the division of which the school providing the LOI is a memb er.
This is a nice pickup for a grad transfer as he gives you some depth. If Micah comes out of the gate struggling then someone rolls an ankle we could have been in trouble. Assuming health, however, it would be hard to see him getting more than 8-10 min a game, if that.
Nice article I found about his play at UAB. Tells us a little about what to expect.
https://thedailydragon.com/2017/01/20/is-deion-lavender-the-second-coming-of-robert-brown/
BTW, Robert Brown played two seasons at UAB before transferring to Va Tech and is now playing some in Europe.
Quote from: justducky on July 11, 2018, 10:06:48 PM
I'm hoping that somebody will speak up and put a really positive spin on this so my excitement level will return to yesterdays measure.
Wait--I'll do it myself. We now have a seasoned, up and down the road senior veteran whose warm, immediately eligible, and uninjured body will give us one year of backup help for our untested freshman guards. :thumbsup:
Awfully good attempt at a positive spin on this player/scholarship selection. As someone else said teams are made up of roll players and maybe this Valpo team needs exactly what Lavender can provide. Experience in the MVC, back up role to Sackey and Javon when they get frustrated at the beginning of the conference season with learning to play tough guard oriented Div. I basketball. He might be just what the team needs in certain situations.
Quote from: bbtds on July 12, 2018, 08:02:10 AM
Quote from: justducky on July 11, 2018, 10:06:48 PM
I'm hoping that somebody will speak up and put a really positive spin on this so my excitement level will return to yesterdays measure.
Wait--I'll do it myself. We now have a seasoned, up and down the road senior veteran whose warm, immediately eligible, and uninjured body will give us one year of backup help for our untested freshman guards. :thumbsup:
Awfully good attempt at a positive spin on this player/scholarship selection. As someone else said teams are made up of roll players and maybe this Valpo team needs exactly what Lavender can provide. Experience in the MVC, back up role to Sackey and Javon when they get frustrated at the beginning of the conference season with learning to play tough guard oriented Div. I basketball. He might be just what the team needs in certain situations.
I think he might be exactly what is needed in terms of reliable play, experience and leadership among the guards and the team. Remember that he will be the ONLY senior on the team.
In looking back at his 2016-17 stats at UAB when he was a starter for half the season I found a few examples of why he might be a great pickup: Against GW, 9 assists and 9 points. Against Auburn, 7 assists. Against So. Miss, 7 assists and 10 points. More importantly was his assists to turnovers for the whole year: 113 assists and 65 turnovers.
Quote from: bbtds on July 12, 2018, 08:02:10 AM
Quote from: justducky on July 11, 2018, 10:06:48 PM
I'm hoping that somebody will speak up and put a really positive spin on this so my excitement level will return to yesterdays measure.
Wait--I'll do it myself. We now have a seasoned, up and down the road senior veteran whose warm, immediately eligible, and uninjured body will give us one year of backup help for our untested freshman guards. :thumbsup:
Awfully good attempt at a positive spin on this player/scholarship selection. As someone else said teams are made up of roll role players and maybe this Valpo team needs exactly what Lavender can provide. Experience in the MVC, back up role to Sackey and Javon when they get frustrated at the beginning of the conference season with learning to play tough guard oriented Div. I basketball. He might be just what the team needs in certain situations.
Fixed it for you. Sorry, bbtds, but I couldn't resist ;D
Quote from: VULB#62 on July 12, 2018, 08:24:51 AM
Quote from: bbtds on July 12, 2018, 08:02:10 AM
Quote from: justducky on July 11, 2018, 10:06:48 PM
I'm hoping that somebody will speak up and put a really positive spin on this so my excitement level will return to yesterdays measure.
Wait--I'll do it myself. We now have a seasoned, up and down the road senior veteran whose warm, immediately eligible, and uninjured body will give us one year of backup help for our untested freshman guards. :thumbsup:
Awfully good attempt at a positive spin on this player/scholarship selection. As someone else said teams are made up of roll role players and maybe this Valpo team needs exactly what Lavender can provide. Experience in the MVC, back up role to Sackey and Javon when they get frustrated at the beginning of the conference season with learning to play tough guard oriented Div. I basketball. He might be just what the team needs in certain situations.
Fixed it for you. Sorry, bbtds, but I couldn't resist ;D
Thank you. I should be corrected for those kinds of mistakes. ;)
It's that darned spell check.
Justin Robert ended up at Georgia State
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1017410186166788097
The Post-Trib has the best article headlines lol
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/1017475816668753920
In full bloom: Valparaiso adds graduate transfer guard Deion Lavender for upcoming season
Michael Osipoff
Post-Tribune
July 12, 2018
http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/post-tribune/sports/ct-ptb-spt-mens-basketball-valparaiso-deion-lavender-st-0713-story.html
Quote from: VU2014 on July 12, 2018, 04:26:25 PM
The Post-Trib has the best article headlines lol
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/1017475816668753920
In full bloom: Valparaiso adds graduate transfer guard Deion Lavender for upcoming season
Michael Osipoff
Post-Tribune
July 12, 2018
http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/post-tribune/sports/ct-ptb-spt-mens-basketball-valparaiso-deion-lavender-st-0713-story.html
Thanks for sharing. Still wholly unconvinced of the value he brings, but I'm glad to be wrong in this case. We have far too many G and are starving for floor generals. Other articles I've read on him say he's NOT the PG type. We have more non-PG guards than a team should rightfully have. Throw in a very solid walk-on G and we are choking here.
In other news, PO's podcast said we have a 2nd walk-on besides Langston. Anyone know much on this subject?
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on July 12, 2018, 06:54:39 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on July 12, 2018, 04:26:25 PM
The Post-Trib has the best article headlines lol
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/1017475816668753920
In full bloom: Valparaiso adds graduate transfer guard Deion Lavender for upcoming season
Michael Osipoff
Post-Tribune
July 12, 2018
http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/post-tribune/sports/ct-ptb-spt-mens-basketball-valparaiso-deion-lavender-st-0713-story.html
Thanks for sharing. Still wholly unconvinced of the value he brings, but I'm glad to be wrong in this case. We have far too many G and are starving for floor generals. Other articles I've read on him say he's NOT the PG type. We have more non-PG guards than a team should rightfully have. Throw in a very solid walk-on G and we are choking here.
In other news, PO's podcast said we have a 2nd walk-on besides Langston. Anyone know much on this subject?
I just got to that point in the podcast as well. Jalen E. It's the first I've heard of him as well.
I get the feeling we will playing small a lot next year. Eight of the eleven on scholarship can play guard and with exception of Sackey can play multiple positions.
Limited to PG
Daniel Sackey 5'10"
Combo Guard Potential
Micah Bradford 6'2"
Bakari Evelyn 6'2"
Deion Lavender 6'2"
Javon Freeman-Liberty 6'4"
Langston Stalling 6'4"
The Single Most Versatile Player in Recent Memory
Markus Golfer 6'6"
Forwards
Ryan Fazekas 6'8"
Mileek McMillan 6'8"
John Kiser 6'5"
Our Gentle Giants
Jaume Sorolla 7'0"
Derrik Smits 7'2"
I suppose our concern for size is somewhat founded in the bigs positions. We just don't have a lot of fouls to give up at these positions by not having a serviceable 5th option. That being said, we are leaps and bounds ahead of last years PF issue so I am excited for that. A concern is can Mileek play consistent minutes without turning into "Terry Tate Office Linebacker!" haha. Jokes aside, I pray that Fazekas has his first full year without mono/injury.
I also notice that our combo guards are really not that tall. Other than Golder, we don't have much height in the combo guard area (reach is the most important but good luck finding all that data readily). Just an observation, but Nick Robinson could very well be one of our better transfers. He can flat our rebound and seems to have solid basketball IQ. I'd maybe liken him to Skara, because I still have found memories of the hustle David gave the team in his time at Valpo.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on July 13, 2018, 08:03:08 AM
The Single Most Versatile Player in Recent Memory
Markus Golfer 6'6"
Yes, I understand that he has a 5 handicap. ;D
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Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on July 13, 2018, 08:03:08 AM
The Single Most Versatile Player in Recent Memory
Markus Golfer 6'6"
Yes, I understand that he has a 5 handicap. ;D
hahahahaha, gotta love autocorrect.
Quote from: VU2014 on July 12, 2018, 07:11:18 PMIn other news, PO's podcast said we have a 2nd walk-on besides Langston. Anyone know much on this subject?
I believe this is the other walk-on Jalen Essick.
https://www.ncsasports.org/mens-basketball-recruiting/georgia/atlanta/paideia-school/jalen-essick
Quote from: VUBBFan on July 13, 2018, 01:55:38 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on July 12, 2018, 07:11:18 PMIn other news, PO's podcast said we have a 2nd walk-on besides Langston. Anyone know much on this subject?
I believe this is the other walk-on Jalen Essick.
https://www.ncsasports.org/mens-basketball-recruiting/georgia/atlanta/paideia-school/jalen-essick (https://www.ncsasports.org/mens-basketball-recruiting/georgia/atlanta/paideia-school/jalen-essick)
Agree! :thumbsup:
Quote from: VUBBFan on July 13, 2018, 01:55:38 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on July 12, 2018, 07:11:18 PMIn other news, PO's podcast said we have a 2nd walk-on besides Langston. Anyone know much on this subject?
I believe this is the other walk-on Jalen Essick.
https://www.ncsasports.org/mens-basketball-recruiting/georgia/atlanta/paideia-school/jalen-essick
I like how the Coaching Staff has been bringing in more Walk-ons. Steve Helm and Langston Stalling aren't your typical walk-ons and have the potential to become future contributors down the road. Maybe Jalen doesn't have quite the same physical ability but I'm assuming this kid loves the sport of basketball and will be a great team guy.
Quote from: VU2014 on July 13, 2018, 02:50:21 PM
Quote from: VUBBFan on July 13, 2018, 01:55:38 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on July 12, 2018, 07:11:18 PMIn other news, PO's podcast said we have a 2nd walk-on besides Langston. Anyone know much on this subject?
I believe this is the other walk-on Jalen Essick.
https://www.ncsasports.org/mens-basketball-recruiting/georgia/atlanta/paideia-school/jalen-essick
I like how the Coaching Staff has been bringing in more Walk-ons. Steve Helm and Langston Stalling aren't your typical walk-ons and have the potential to become future contributors down the road. Maybe Jalen doesn't have quite the same physical ability but I'm assuming this kid loves the sport of basketball and will be a great team guy.
I suspect he may be another academic scholarship guy. He said he has a 4.0. Not sure on what scale but still. He goes to a very small school (987 kids from pre-k to 12) so perhaps his skills are unproven. Seems to have a quick release and I don't think he missed a shot! ;D
Quote from: valpopal on July 13, 2018, 02:20:38 PM
Quote from: VUBBFan on July 13, 2018, 01:55:38 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on July 12, 2018, 07:11:18 PMIn other news, PO's podcast said we have a 2nd walk-on besides Langston. Anyone know much on this subject?
I believe this is the other walk-on Jalen Essick.
https://www.ncsasports.org/mens-basketball-recruiting/georgia/atlanta/paideia-school/jalen-essick (https://www.ncsasports.org/mens-basketball-recruiting/georgia/atlanta/paideia-school/jalen-essick)
Agree! :thumbsup:
If that's the case, aren't he and Langston south paws?
"Coming into the offseason, we felt it was important to add a member to the senior class," said Lottich. "Deion is the perfect fit in that role because he brings experience playing in the Valley and has shown the ability to be productive on the court during his career. His versatility and his experience will be invaluable for our program as we enter our second season of MVC play."
https://twitter.com/valpoathletics/status/1019601529395965953
Another good addition on top of some already very good additions in Eron Gordon, Nick Robinson, Javon Freeman-Liberty and Daniel Sackey. And, I'm thinking in terms of more than just basketball. Homer, Bryce, and now Matt have always portrayed Valpo basketball as a family - a family that loves and cares for each other and where player development is more about building life skills than basketball skills. All of this said to note that I'm confident we just added another group of high quality young men who will add value to the program, the university and the community. A job well done, Matt!
This very interesting. This has broad implications on the sport. I actually think in most cases the red-shirt transfer rule is a good thing for CBB. Imagine how much "poaching" will happen if they eliminate the red-shirt transfer rule.
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1051860059301576704
https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1051861021634306049
https://twitter.com/thejordanburton/status/1051887697734881286
The red shirt transfer rule needs to remain in place it's one of the few protections mids have left
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on October 15, 2018, 05:49:26 PM
The red shirt transfer rule needs to remain in place it's one of the few protections mids have left
I haven't done the research so you very well could be right, but it seems like the majority of kids who transfer from mid-major programs to power programs are of the grad transfer variety (which may actually prove your point). While opening the doors might hurt with quality players going out, it could also help mid major programs recruit players who aren't happy with the amount of playing time that they are receiving at a larger program.
Personally I like the year break. Gives guys a chance to get into the culture of the program, learn the system, get used to the academic side, etc.