Perhaps I'm not seeing it and therefore would like to know from others why Matt is a good coach. What did he do against Toledo that proved he is a good coach? I'm not talking about recruiting but his good qualities during the games played. What are his coaching strengths? Forget the weaknesses. Seriously interested in what others may be seeing that I'm missing.
It's a fair question, but maybe a little premature. Until we see all the talent he recruited (and he did recruit a ton of it) on the court together, it's hardly fair to compare his coaching ability to his recruiting ability. I don't think it's a stretch to say we're missing 3 of our 6 best players. I can't think of a team in the MVC that wouldn't be severely hampered under similar circumstances.
Quote from: Just Sayin on November 10, 2021, 04:49:02 PM
Perhaps I'm not seeing it and therefore would like to know from others why Matt is a good coach. What did he do against Toledo that proved he is a good coach? I'm not talking about recruiting but his good qualities during the games played. What are his coaching strengths? Forget the weaknesses. Seriously interested in what others may be seeing that I'm missing.
You're not seeing it because it's not there to be seen -YET. SLOW starts and NO Finish. Live and die by the 3, No D. 0-3. Who thinks he's a good coach? Good coach, Coach K, Bill Belichick, Vince Lombardi, Don Shula, Red Auerbach, John Wooden, Pat Riley, Mike Ditka, Homer Drew, Gene Bartow all winners. "Door Matt" not YET.
Quote from: Valpo Joe on November 10, 2021, 08:43:27 PM
Quote from: Just Sayin on November 10, 2021, 04:49:02 PM
Perhaps I'm not seeing it and therefore would like to know from others why Matt is a good coach. What did he do against Toledo that proved he is a good coach? I'm not talking about recruiting but his good qualities during the games played. What are his coaching strengths? Forget the weaknesses. Seriously interested in what others may be seeing that I'm missing.
You're not seeing it because it's not there to be seen -YET. SLOW starts and NO Finish. Live and die by the 3, No D. 0-3. Who thinks he's a good coach? Good coach, Coach K, Tom Izzo, Bill Belichick, Vince Lombardi, Don Shula, Red Auerbach, John Wooden, Pat Riley, Mike Ditka, Homer Drew, Gene Bartow all winners. "Door Matt" not YET.
Joe, I added one name to your list of winning coaches.
The annual questions are happening already. Valpo admin, please make them stop. Matt, strictly in my opinion, is not going to get the job done here. Another season. More excuses.
Good add - TOM IZZO Something about a GOOD COACH even PRETTY GOOD COACHES they WIN ;D When "Door Matt" gets above .500 we'll say he's OK COACH - and yes I'm counting the two D2 failures. 0-3 Another metric would be - break into the <100 Ranked D1 teams and become a PRETTY GOOD COACH. ::) You got the talent coach - get your skill book out and use it.
43-47 is the MVC......
Quote from: oklahomamick on November 11, 2021, 09:27:12 AM
43-47 is the MVC......
One thing you can take to the bank on every team since Matt became head coach are debilitating injuries to key players that linger on forever and kill any chance we have to build momentum and win consistently.
'16-17 AP goes down 2 games before the end of the regular season. We were 23-6 at the time, had beaten MVC champion Missouri State at their place, had the conf. regular season wrapped up, and were heavily favored to win the conf. tournament. We lost our last 3 games, including an upset 1st round conf. tournament loss to go 24-9 and lose out on going to the Dance. BTW we had already overcome the season ending loss of Jubril only 9 games in.
'17-18 we start out 8-0. Then we lose Burton to grades. Then we lose Tevonn for 4 games, losing 3. He comes back but his back issue lingers for the rest of the season. We finish 15-16.
'18-19 Micah Bradford plays 3 min. in 1 game before losing him for the season due to a lingering back problem. After starting conf. play, we lose Ryan for 13 games. We were never the same. 13-18
'19-20 we lose Ryan again - this time for 17 games. After finally getting Ryan back, JFL gets mono, misses 2 games, and comes back while still not 100% and leads us to the conf. tournament championship game. Final record 19-16. BTW only Eron played in all 35 games due to a bevy of misc. injuries and illnesses.
'20-21 we lose Nick Robinson for 20 games, Morgan for 13 games, and Connor for 10 games, Emil for 26 games, and Lorange for 20. Then add in the lingering effect of Mileek's 50 pound Hostess Twinkee weight gain.
'21-22 The way this season is starting off with Ben and Connor already injured and out, who knows? We've already lost 2 exhibition games and Toledo, all of which we would have won.
This trend is absurdly ridiculous. It defies all odds, and it never ends. Maybe we need an exorcist, and I'm only half kidding.
Anyone who says this is no different than what all teams go through (not in a given season, but over a 5 year span) show your evidence. Rest assured, there won't be any takers. Also, I hope no one says Jubril got what he deserved. That was one of the biggest miscarriages of justice I've ever seen.
Matt hasn't shown any ability to adapt his game plan when injuries occur or circumstances chance. We have to figure out new ways to win when key players go down.
Energy giver, hungry to learn, knows people.. brings in good people as players and coaches.
Quote from: VU0331 on November 11, 2021, 05:47:20 PM
Energy giver, hungry to learn, knows people.. brings in good people as players and coaches.
No one disputes that. What are his coaching strengths?
One thing you can take to the bank on every team since Matt became head coach are debilitating injuries to key players that linger on forever and kill any chance we have to build momentum and win consistently.
'16-17 AP goes down 2 games before the end of the regular season. We were 23-6 at the time, had beaten MVC champion Missouri State at their place, had the conf. regular season wrapped up, and were heavily favored to win the conf. tournament. We lost our last 3 games, including an upset 1st round conf. tournament loss to go 24-9 and lose out on going to the Dance. BTW we had already overcome the season ending loss of Jubril only 9 games in.
'17-18 we start out 8-0. Then we lose Burton to grades. Then we lose Tevonn for 4 games, losing 3. He comes back but his back issue lingers for the rest of the season. We finish 15-16.
'18-19 Micah Bradford plays 3 min. in 1 game before losing him for the season due to a lingering back problem. After starting conf. play, we lose Ryan for 13 games. We were never the same. 13-18
'19-20 we lose Ryan again - this time for 17 games. After finally getting Ryan back, JFL gets mono, misses 2 games, and comes back while still not 100% and leads us to the conf. tournament championship game. Final record 19-16. BTW only Eron played in all 35 games due to a bevy of misc. injuries and illnesses.
'20-21 we lose Nick Robinson for 20 games, Morgan for 13 games, and Connor for 10 games, Emil for 26 games, and Lorange for 20. Then add in the lingering effect of Mileek's 50 pound Hostess Twinkee weight gain.
'21-22 The way this season is starting off with Ben and Connor already injured and out, who knows? We've already lost 2 exhibition games and Toledo, all of which we would have won.
This trend is absurdly ridiculous. It defies all odds, and it never ends. Maybe we need an exorcist, and I'm only half kidding.
Anyone who says this is no different than what all teams go through (not in a given season, but over a 5 year span) show your evidence. Rest assured, there won't be any takers. Also, I hope no one says Jubril got what he deserved. That was one of the biggest miscarriages of justice I've ever seen.
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Now it's if only 3 of their top 6 players could play we'd be a contender!!! Give me a Freakin' Beacon Break. Adjust - adjust - adjust or continue to be would've, could've, should've :o
Quote from: wh on November 11, 2021, 02:15:29 PM
Quote from: oklahomamick on November 11, 2021, 09:27:12 AM
43-47 is the MVC......
I'm going to Lottich's wiki page and putting notes next to the records saying "this person was hurt and this person was hurt". Then emailing the AD to see if he cant do the same on the athletic website.
As fun as it was, I fear that the run to the Arch Madness final in 2020 might come back to bite VU here. Lottich's contract extension more or less ensures that he'll be at VU for a while. This has never been a school any too quick to fire coaches for poor performance.
You know who was a really good coach? Bryce Drew.
You know what happened to Bryce's Vanderbilt team that looked like they would be really good once their star player got hurt early in the season? Winless in the SEC. Not to say all of Matt's shortcomings are due to injury or to deflect blame, but WH has a point that it certainly has not helped and prevented some level of progress.
Now, is Matt as good as Bryce? He'll no he isn't. But he's also recruited well and shown some level of success and improvement year to year. Now I want and expect more from Valpo, and hopefully we will get there. If this year goes south, yeah I'll say it's time for a change. But I also don't want to be Vanderbilt / Cleveland Browns that cuts a coach after any issues. So I am glad we have given Matt this long. Hopefully it works out.
The run to the MVC final and giving Lottich an extension was a horrible decision.
It's not like Lottich had suiters calling his agent.
Interesting comments from some of you in that even when Matt does have some success that still isn't good enough. And I have heard enough about Bryce Drew ...if he is such an outstanding coach he would not still be on the bench at Grand Canyon.
Minus the arch madness run, which I'm not convinced wasn't just luck, what success has Lottich had here? He has made us mediocre and made us accustomed to moral victories.
Fire Lottich. Hire Jake Diebler.
Judging a coach on THREE games was short sided. They also got blown out in the championship game to a pretty mediocre team. I cannot believe people say he's recruited well after going from Broekhoff to Peters. JFL is the closest "star" the team has had and he's nowhere close to that caliber. Which players are great recruits? Edwards? Give me a break. He'd be E Victor Nickerson minutes on the decent Horizon teams.
Guessing and speculation are not a good way to judge a coach's ability to coach. The number of transfers that UIC played gives no indication of how many minutes they played and their respective contributions to their team's success. But we DO know that our transfers play a prominent role and we are still missing our best returning player and perhaps the best transfer(Kobe).
Quote from: Just Sayin on November 15, 2021, 08:31:21 AM
I'm guessing Matt makes promises to recruits about starting and playing time which a good coach should never do.
That's what unethical coaches do, JS. It's manipulative and dishonest. More than anything else, Matt is a man of honesty and integrity. He would never do that intentionally, or unintentionally. Remember what he has stated publicly that his primary mission as coach is to develop and mold student athletes under his tutelage into men of high purpose and character.
Quote from: wh on November 15, 2021, 06:51:59 PM
Quote from: Just Sayin on November 15, 2021, 08:31:21 AM
I'm guessing Matt makes promises to recruits about starting and playing time which a good coach should never do.
That's what unethical coaches do, JS. It's manipulative and dishonest. More than anything else, Matt is a man of honesty and integrity. He would never do that intentionally, or unintentionally. Remember what he has stated publicly that his primary mission as coach is to develop and mold student athletes under his tutelage into men of high purpose and character.
I was guessing, you are certain. Neither one of us knows for sure.
Quote...his primary mission as coach is to develop and mold student athletes under his tutelage into men of high purpose and character. win
I don't think it is right to speculate that Matt is making promises. I don't think he would based on the little I know him, except maybe that the facilities would be improved.
JFL left because he was influenced to think playing at DePaul would be better for his career. I would say that was shortsighted. He is a small fish in a big pond in the Big East. And Depaul is currently irrelevant in Chicago. Kiethier is now a big fish in a medium pond. He is going to have a monster season. I think he will be a better player for us than Ben. (If not, then watch out Valley). He was a great recruit for Matt.
I am going to refrain from passing judgement until all our pieces are on the floor. I am an optimistic person by nature, but even I am skeptical about the season and Matt. But the only way to continue to enthusiastically support this team, which they need, is to hold on to hope that things will come around. It is still November.
JFL is 2-0 and the leading scorer in both of those games.
Quote from: oklahomamick on November 16, 2021, 09:36:40 AM
JFL is 2-0 and the leading scorer in both of those games.
He is amazing. I'm not questioning that. I just think he gets lost in the Big East with all the other talent. I don't hear a peep about DePaul basketball, at least around me. Loyola has taken their reign. That and the Bulls are now fun to watch again. I don't even hear DePaul in discussions for college (I have kids this age).
https://www.bigeast.com/news/2021/10/19/mens-basketball-villanovas-gillespie-named-big-east-preseason-player-of-the-year.aspx
I know he just got player of the week so maybe it is changing. I hope so. I like JFL.
Quote from: bb33 on November 16, 2021, 09:10:45 AM
I don't think it is right to speculate that Matt is making promises. I don't think he would based on the little I know him, except maybe that the facilities would be improved.
JFL left because he was influenced to think playing at DePaul would be better for his career. I would say that was shortsighted. He is a small fish in a big pond in the Big East. And Depaul is currently irrelevant in Chicago. Kiethier is now a big fish in a medium pond. He is going to have a monster season. I think he will be a better player for us than Ben. (If not, then watch out Valley). He was a great recruit for Matt.
I am going to refrain from passing judgement until all our pieces are on the floor. I am an optimistic person by nature, but even I am skeptical about the season and Matt. But the only way to continue to enthusiastically support this team, which they need, is to hold on to hope that things will come around. It is still November.
Thank you for telling us why Matt is a good coach.
How about Why is Matt a Bad Coach thread?
Quote from: tiny707 on November 17, 2021, 12:06:34 PM
How about Why is Matt a Bad Coach thread?
Feel free to start one. No one was able to come up with the answer to the question: "Why is Matt a Good Coach."
It's hard to believe we signed a contract extension with this joker.
David Ragland named as "a lock" if Valpo decides to move from Matt.
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I'm not giving up on the chosen one, Bruce.
Anyone interested in #FireLottich masks to wear at Valpo games?
Only partially joking.
I still hope Matt makes me eat my hat.
Personally, I'm not a fan of bashing the coach. I plan to support him and the team until the season is over, even if it's hard. And sometimes it is really hard. It really doesn't matter what we think or feel, we don't make any decisions. And we are just a small sample of the Valpo community.
Besides, if Matt doesn't get this team to perform he WILL lose his job. His job is already on the line without any negativity from us. I don't need to throw salt on any wounds.
But you guys can continue to tear him down if you feel it gives you some sort of power. ISU and MSU fans are doing the same thing.
Quote from: bb33 on November 25, 2021, 07:51:44 AM
Personally, I'm not a fan of bashing the coach. I plan to support him and the team until the season is over, even if it's hard. And sometimes it is really hard. It really doesn't matter what we think or feel, we don't make any decisions. And we are just a small sample of the Valpo community.
Besides, if Matt doesn't get this team to perform he WILL lose his job. His job is already on the line without any negativity from us. I don't need to throw salt on any wounds.
But you guys can continue to tear him down if you feel it gives you some sort of power. ISU and MSU fans are doing the same thing.
Why is Matt a good coach is the title of this thread.
Follow along and you'll have your answer:
• If/When Coach Matt Lottich's teams start winning consistently, he will go from bad coach to good coach.
• If/When he goes from winning consistently to winning championships, he will go from good coach to very good coach.
• If/When he goes from winning championships to winning NCAA tournament games, he will go from very good coach to great coach.
Following suit, the identical coaching decisions that he gets lambasted for now in the "poor coach" category will be deemed brilliant in the "great coach" category.
It's no more complicated than that.
Impossible. He is who he is. Simple as that.
Quote from: wh on November 25, 2021, 10:28:18 AM
Follow along and you'll have your answer:
• If/When Coach Matt Lottich's teams start winning consistently, he will go from bad coach to good coach.
• If/When he goes from winning consistently to winning championships, he will go from good coach to very good coach.
• If/When he goes from winning championships to winning NCAA tournament games, he will go from very good coach to great coach.
Following suit, the identical coaching decisions that he gets lambasted for now in the "poor coach" category will be deemed brilliant in the "great coach" category.
It's no more complicated than that.
Add one more point.
If/When he goes from winning (occasional) NCAA tournament games to consistently winning NCAA tournament games, he will go from being Valpo's coach to being some P5 school's coach.
Then we can start this crap all over again. The circle of life for mid-major basketball.
No more excuses for Matt. It's been over 4 years. I would bet even he would accept that.
If p5 and schools with more money want your coach then that means you have a good coach and success has been had. That is not the case with Matt.
Let me ask, if he was let go at the end of the season, does he land a head coaching job anywhere? Anywhere, even a ovc, southland, summit, job?
He lands an assistant coach job somewhere.
Yep. Not good enough to be a head coach anywhere else.
Ok, still searching for why Matt is a good coach. Thought about the scheduling. He sought out very good Div. 2 teams for the exhibition games so that he could learn right away the team's weaknesses to get them ready. Had he scheduled cupcake teams, these blowout wins would have only served to give the team false confidence in it abitlies and there would most likely not have been any real teaching opportunities for the team to make it better.
Then he scheduled or accepted a tourney invite with teams that were as good as or slightly better than Valpo. The 2 out of 3 wins gave the team some genuine confidence in their ability to win while also providing teaching moments to work on in practice.
Now it's time to take a breath before conference play begins and schedule some teams we should easily beat, with the exception of Drake folded in between those teams. Again, a check on where the team is and if it has learned to win against one of the best teams in the MVC and the team should be at optimum strength before conference games.
Am I right?
I am doing a complete about face. I am officially on the FIRE LOTTICH campaign. I have heard some things and he needs to go.
Because there are no reasons to say he is a good coach.
Can't say what I heard, but that entire program needs an overhaul.
Quote from: bb33 on November 26, 2021, 12:01:57 PM
I am doing a complete about face. I am officially on the FIRE LOTTICH campaign. I have heard some things and he needs to go.
Because there are no reasons to say he is a good coach.
Can't say what I heard, but that entire program needs an overhaul.
Well that's helpful. About face on hearsay. Right.
What I know is based 100 percent on facts. It is not based on something I heard through the gossip mill.
lol
Quote from: bb33 on November 26, 2021, 12:01:57 PM
I am doing a complete about face. I am officially on the FIRE LOTTICH campaign. I have heard some things and he needs to go.
Because there are no reasons to say he is a good coach.
Can't say what I heard, but that entire program needs an overhaul.
Do you have a clue how irresponsible and damaging your post is??? For openers, no one even knows who you are, let alone who you talked to, whether that person has a clue, whether they heard something 1st hand or 10th hand, whether they have an axe to grind, whether you have an axe to grind, or whether everything you said is total fabrication. And worse, you don't have the common decency to share what you allegedly heard, leaving everyone's imagination to fill in the blanks.
You are the new worst poster ever. Why don't you do the right thing and remove yourself from the board.
Quote from: bb33 on November 26, 2021, 12:15:41 PM
What I know is based 100 percent on facts. It is not based on something I heard through the gossip mill.
You are an unnamed source who alleges you spoke to another unnamed source who may have gotten information from other unnamed sources, accusing Coach Matt Lottich of an unidentified, apparently egregious something or other.
The damage is done. It is irreversible. Go away!
Quote from: wh on November 26, 2021, 12:42:21 PM
Quote from: bb33 on November 26, 2021, 12:15:41 PM
What I know is based 100 percent on facts. It is not based on something I heard through the gossip mill.
You are an unnamed source who alleges you spoke to another unnamed source who may have gotten information from other unnamed sources, accusing Coach Matt Lottich of an unidentified, apparently egregious something or other.
The damage is done. It is irreversible. Go away!
I reviewed many of his previous posts (bb33) and he appears to be a calm and logical thinker. Because of this my antenna are up but my short and intermediate term judgements on Lottich will be based only on his near term results. Matt remains innocent until I find him guilty.
You should reserve judgement. I gave no details and I don't expect ANYONE to change their attitude based on my post because I gave no details (which I can't).
My post was more an acknowledgment of a change in my attitude, since just a few days ago I stated I didn't want to bash the coaches/call for change during the season. Now all bets are off. I am all for change.
First let me say that many of us on the forum have, or had at one time, a close relationship with an athletic program that gave us access to certain information. If the information you have is so egregious that it could hurt the university and the program then you or preferably the person who imparted this information to you should immediately inform the appropriate administrator without spreading potentially erroneous and destructive information further.
I have watched people both in business and athletics get fired because of misinterpreted situations. I was an assistant on a basketball staff that was fired because we were accused of altering federal work study hours for several of our basketball players. This was completely correct, but what didn't come out until after the university did further investigation was that we were actually reducing the hours of players who were trying to falsify their time cards.
We asked for our jobs back, after being vindicated, and were told that the incident had embarrass the University and therefore they were moving on with another coaching staff. That is why this kind of stuff just really irks me.
If what you know is that bad then it will eventually come out but until that time I would keep my mouth shut.
Quote from: FWalum on November 26, 2021, 01:25:06 PM
First let me say that many of us on the forum have, or had at one time, a close relationship with an athletic program that gave us access to certain information. If the information you have is so egregious that it could hurt the university and the program then you or preferably the person who imparted this information to you should immediately inform the appropriate administrator without spreading potentially erroneous and destructive information further.
I have watched people both in business and athletics get fired because of misinterpreted situations. I was an assistant on a basketball staff that was fired because we were accused of altering federal work study hours for several of our basketball players. This was completely correct, but what didn't come out until after the university did further investigation was that we were actually reducing the hours of players who were trying to falsify their time cards.
We asked for our jobs back, after being vindicated, and were told that the incident had embarrass the University and therefore they were moving on with another coaching staff. That is why this kind of stuff just really irks me.
If what you know is that bad then it will eventually come out but until that time I would keep my mouth shut.
Good advice, but unfortunately it's too late. He defamed Valparaiso University's head men's basketball coach on a public forum and then doubled down on it. That's called libel.
Libel is a method of defamation expressed by print, writing, pictures, signs, effigies, or
any communication embodied in physical form that is injurious to a person's reputation, exposes a person to public hatred, contempt or ridicule, or injures a person in his/her business or profession.BTW rest assured this will make its way onto other MVC forums. Players' family members who follow this forum assuredly will read it and ask whoever their team member is what's going on. Players and managers will share it amongst themselves. Undoubtedly, recruits and potential recruits will come across it, and it will spread from there.
I doubt that it could be proved that bb33 knew what he wrote about Matt was false. He likely thought it was true, thus no libel.
Can we delete the post?
Nothing more childish than "I have a secret and can't tell".
If there were a serious issue other than losing I'm sure Vu and MLB would be aware and looking into.
Ridiculous.
Enough of the cheap shot artists who constantly day in and day out bash Matt Lottich. Peddle your wares someplace else. Your comments are undermining our program, players, potential recruiting efforts and the University. If some of you know so much about being a Div. 1 coach, then get a job doing it. While we all are disappointed in this season's results thus far, let time play itself out. We have heard enough of the bad-mouthing of our Coach. Some of these comments are way out of line and I for one have heard enough. Why not offer some positive remarks along with the questionable ones. The way the year progresses will help to determine the fate of Coach Lottich. Cheap shots, especially when they are shrouded by a nickname on a posting, are doing nothing but tearing down the program and University and produce no positive results.
Many of these "I know it all" postings are only surpassed your arrogance and lack of knowledge. They have no positive contribution to an otherwise open and thoughtful forum. Let's contribute in a positive way, encouraging improvement and success, while being critical in a thoughtful and meaningful manner. GO VALPO!
Quote from: wh on November 26, 2021, 01:45:49 PMQuote from: FWalum on November 26, 2021, 01:25:06 PMFirst let me say that many of us on the forum have, or had at one time, a close relationship with an athletic program that gave us access to certain information. If the information you have is so egregious that it could hurt the university and the program then you or preferably the person who imparted this information to you should immediately inform the appropriate administrator without spreading potentially erroneous and destructive information further. I have watched people both in business and athletics get fired because of misinterpreted situations. I was an assistant on a basketball staff that was fired because we were accused of altering federal work study hours for several of our basketball players. This was completely correct, but what didn't come out until after the university did further investigation was that we were actually reducing the hours of players who were trying to falsify their time cards. We asked for our jobs back, after being vindicated, and were told that the incident had embarrass the University and therefore they were moving on with another coaching staff. That is why this kind of stuff just really irks me. If what you know is that bad then it will eventually come out but until that time I would keep my mouth shut.
Good advice, but unfortunately it's too late. He defamed Valparaiso University's head men's basketball coach on a public forum and then doubled down on it. That's called libel. Libel is a method of defamation expressed by print, writing, pictures, signs, effigies, or any communication embodied in physical form that is injurious to a person's reputation, exposes a person to public hatred, contempt or ridicule, or injures a person in his/her business or profession. BTW rest assured this will make its way onto other MVC forums. Players' family members who follow this forum assuredly will read it and ask whoever their team member is what's going on. Players and managers will share it amongst themselves. Undoubtedly, recruits and potential recruits will come across it, and it will spread from there.
Does Valpo not have a business law class or did you simply fail to take it?
It's not libel but it is pretty high school-ish.
Quote from: Chairback on November 26, 2021, 03:43:40 PM
Can we delete the post?
Nothing more childish than "I have a secret and can't tell".
If there were a serious issue other than losing I'm sure Vu and MLB would be aware and looking into.
Ridiculous.
Good idea! The moderator should delete the original allegation of impropriety and every following response!
Suspend bb33 from posting for 3 days for rumor mongering. Suspend wh for 3 days for overreacting. Then suspend Just Sayin, FWalum, Chairback, JD24, and myself for 2 days each for provocative intermediation! We need a couple of days off anyway. ::)
Quote from: justducky on November 26, 2021, 04:52:09 PMQuote from: Chairback on November 26, 2021, 03:43:40 PMCan we delete the post? Nothing more childish than "I have a secret and can't tell". If there were a serious issue other than losing I'm sure Vu and MLB would be aware and looking into. Ridiculous.
Good idea! The moderator should delete the original allegation of impropriety and every following response! Suspend bb33 from posting for 3 days for rumor mongering. Suspend wh for 3 days for overreacting. Then suspend Just Sayin, FWalum, Chairback, JD24, and myself for 2 days each for provocative intermediation! We need a couple of days off anyway. ::)
A loss tomorrow and we'll all be begging for a week!
Quote from: justducky on November 26, 2021, 04:52:09 PM
Quote from: Chairback on November 26, 2021, 03:43:40 PM
Can we delete the post?
Nothing more childish than "I have a secret and can't tell".
If there were a serious issue other than losing I'm sure Vu and MLB would be aware and looking into.
Ridiculous.
Good idea! The moderator should delete the original allegation of impropriety and every following response!
Suspend bb33 from posting for 3 days for rumor mongering. Suspend wh for 3 days for overreacting. Then suspend Just Sayin, FWalum, Chairback, JD24, and myself for 2 days each for provocative intermediation! We need a couple of days off anyway. ::)
Happy Holidays.
Quote from: JD24 on November 26, 2021, 04:37:28 PM
Quote from: wh on November 26, 2021, 01:45:49 PMQuote from: FWalum on November 26, 2021, 01:25:06 PMFirst let me say that many of us on the forum have, or had at one time, a close relationship with an athletic program that gave us access to certain information. If the information you have is so egregious that it could hurt the university and the program then you or preferably the person who imparted this information to you should immediately inform the appropriate administrator without spreading potentially erroneous and destructive information further. I have watched people both in business and athletics get fired because of misinterpreted situations. I was an assistant on a basketball staff that was fired because we were accused of altering federal work study hours for several of our basketball players. This was completely correct, but what didn't come out until after the university did further investigation was that we were actually reducing the hours of players who were trying to falsify their time cards. We asked for our jobs back, after being vindicated, and were told that the incident had embarrass the University and therefore they were moving on with another coaching staff. That is why this kind of stuff just really irks me. If what you know is that bad then it will eventually come out but until that time I would keep my mouth shut.
Good advice, but unfortunately it's too late. He defamed Valparaiso University's head men's basketball coach on a public forum and then doubled down on it. That's called libel. Libel is a method of defamation expressed by print, writing, pictures, signs, effigies, or any communication embodied in physical form that is injurious to a person's reputation, exposes a person to public hatred, contempt or ridicule, or injures a person in his/her business or profession. BTW rest assured this will make its way onto other MVC forums. Players' family members who follow this forum assuredly will read it and ask whoever their team member is what's going on. Players and managers will share it amongst themselves. Undoubtedly, recruits and potential recruits will come across it, and it will spread from there.
Does Valpo not have a business law class or did you simply fail to take it?
It's not libel but it is pretty high school-ish.
All this time I thought all you were good for was mind-numbing criticism of Matt Lottich. I'm impressed.
Can we delete this whole thread?
It was a bomb just waiting to go off anyway and didn't really contribute much of anything.
Heck, I am just glad that wh has not proclaimed me as the worst poster ever. I don't think anyone takes the board so seriously that someone will truly get slandered.that being said, 33s post was pretty lame.
Now back to SFA in the Valley and the conference of champions not getting respect...
Quote from: FWalum on November 26, 2021, 06:08:06 PM
Can we delete this whole thread?
It was a bomb just waiting to go off anyway and didn't really contribute much of anything.
:thumbsup: Suspend everybody who posted on it for 24 hours and suspend Just Sayin for 25 because he is guilty of opening the darn thing!
Quote from: usc4valpo on November 26, 2021, 06:15:10 PMHeck, I am just glad that wh has not proclaimed me as the worst poster ever.
Well if wh doesn't then I will. The love you have for that formerly red headed broadcast guy is entirely unnatural and disgusting! ;)
We can't have anyone speaking ill of the best coach ever. Even if he deserves the criticism. I calls em as I sees em. And will continue doing so. Snowflakes.
In reality, Matt needs to do better and the excuses are getting old. That is a fair statement IMHO. Nice person, good dude, but as a coach for the long term that is questionable. I would assume Matt would even agree,
Quote from: FWalum on November 26, 2021, 06:08:06 PM
Can we delete this whole thread?
It was a bomb just waiting to go off anyway and didn't really contribute much of anything.
Well I don't recall you contributing and pointing out why you think he is a good coach. Don't bitch about it just because you know and like Matt.
Quote from: valpo64 on November 26, 2021, 04:31:36 PM
Enough of the cheap shot artists who constantly day in and day out bash Matt Lottich. Peddle your wares someplace else. Your comments are undermining our program, players, potential recruiting efforts and the University. If some of you know so much about being a Div. 1 coach, then get a job doing it. While we all are disappointed in this season's results thus far, let time play itself out. We have heard enough ofop the bad-mouthing of our Coach. Some of these comments are way out of line and I for one have heard enough. Why not offer some positive remarks along with the questionable ones. The way the year progresses will help to determine the fate of Coach Lottich. Cheap shots, especially when they are oshrouded by a nickname on a posting, are doing nothing but tearing down the program and University and produce no positive results.
Many of these "I know it all" postings are only surpassed your arrogance and lack of knowledge. They have no positive contribution to an otherwise open and thoughtful forum. Let's contribute in a positive way, encouraging improvement and success, while being critical in a thoughtful and meaningful manner. GO VALPO!
Why don't you offer some positive remarks? This thread is asking why is Matt a good coach. It says a lot that none of you lovers of Matt can't even say one positive thing.
Quote from: Just Sayin on November 26, 2021, 07:44:25 PM
Quote from: FWalum on November 26, 2021, 06:08:06 PM
Well I don't recall you contributing and pointing out why you think he is a good coach. Don't bitch about it just because you know and like Matt.
Just be honest, this thread was meant to be provocative. Anything that would have been said in support of Matt is easily countered by "then why hasn't he won more".
I have met Matt twice at two practices. I know Luke better, mainly from his assistant days with Homer. I haven't been to a practice in four years, but when I did go I was relatively impressed with the organization and the effort given by the players. As a matter of fact I thought maybe practices were a little bit too physical.
I chose not to weigh in on this subject because there are things I agree with and things I don't agree with the way Matt is coaching. Then again I thought he did an excellent job of coaching in 19-20. If Fazekas had not been injured VU would have had a very good year with the distinct chance of a NCAA berth. I can also remember that many on the forum were very impressed in his first year with the way he handled the myriad of issues that could have made that season an unmitigated disaster. We also thought he was much better at using his timeouts. Do I like the rate at which we hoist up 3s? Absolutely not. Do I like what I see as a much more free form "let them play" offense versus a structured "old school" offensive scheme? Not on your life.
I don't see this as a purely black and white, good or bad situation. Almost every team is one injury or discipline problem away from having a season that doesn't live up to expectations. Would we even be having this thread at this time if Ben Krikke had not gotten injured in the first four minutes of the first exhibition game?
So there you go, I don't really know Matt. I have plenty of philosophical coaching differences with Matt, but I support the program and I support the way this staff have represented Valpo in an ethical, moral and religious way.
Quote from: wh on November 26, 2021, 05:32:14 PMQuote from: JD24 on November 26, 2021, 04:37:28 PMQuote from: wh on November 26, 2021, 01:45:49 PMQuote from: FWalum on November 26, 2021, 01:25:06 PMFirst let me say that many of us on the forum have, or had at one time, a close relationship with an athletic program that gave us access to certain information. If the information you have is so egregious that it could hurt the university and the program then you or preferably the person who imparted this information to you should immediately inform the appropriate administrator without spreading potentially erroneous and destructive information further. I have watched people both in business and athletics get fired because of misinterpreted situations. I was an assistant on a basketball staff that was fired because we were accused of altering federal work study hours for several of our basketball players. This was completely correct, but what didn't come out until after the university did further investigation was that we were actually reducing the hours of players who were trying to falsify their time cards. We asked for our jobs back, after being vindicated, and were told that the incident had embarrass the University and therefore they were moving on with another coaching staff. That is why this kind of stuff just really irks me. If what you know is that bad then it will eventually come out but until that time I would keep my mouth shut.
Good advice, but unfortunately it's too late. He defamed Valparaiso University's head men's basketball coach on a public forum and then doubled down on it. That's called libel. Libel is a method of defamation expressed by print, writing, pictures, signs, effigies, or any communication embodied in physical form that is injurious to a person's reputation, exposes a person to public hatred, contempt or ridicule, or injures a person in his/her business or profession. BTW rest assured this will make its way onto other MVC forums. Players' family members who follow this forum assuredly will read it and ask whoever their team member is what's going on. Players and managers will share it amongst themselves. Undoubtedly, recruits and potential recruits will come across it, and it will spread from there.
Does Valpo not have a business law class or did you simply fail to take it? It's not libel but it is pretty high school-ish.
All this time I thought all you were good for was mind-numbing criticism of Matt Lottich. I'm impressed.
Me. I haven't criticized Lottich nearly at all although he certainly deserves some.
My mistake. You're the guy who crapped all over Sheldon Edwards after he led our amazing comeback and victory over Tulane and was named to the all tournament team. Not to be outdone, oklahomamick interjected (insert whiny voice here), "Remember when we used to win 3 games in tournaments like this instead of 2."
This board has a cesspool of negative posters who desperately feel a need to perpetuate a negative atmosphere. Pouring cold water on what should have been a fun moment and ruining it for everyone else is just a small part of it.
Quote from: wh on November 27, 2021, 09:27:58 AMMy mistake. You're the guy who crapped all over Sheldon Edwards after he led our amazing comeback and victory over Tulane and was named to the all tournament team. Not to be outdone, oklahomamick interjected (insert whiny voice here), "Remember when we used to win 3 games in tournaments like this instead of 2." This board has a cesspool of negative posters who desperately feel a need to perpetuate a negative atmosphere. Pouring cold water on what should have been a fun moment and ruining it for everyone else is just a small part of it.
It also has a couple of posters who, no matter how bad the situation is, try and blow smoke up everyone's behind about how things will or may get better or aren't as bad as things look.
For the record, my post regarding Edwards, was posted prior to the all tournament team....something I could care less about and means nothing....was named. He came off the bench to help play them out of one game and played really well in another. He's like the starting pitcher who pitches one absolute gem in the midst of 5 starts of which the other 4 range from barely acceptable to horrible and you can't get rid of him because of the one gem which some fans love. "We have to give him time to get consistent". No we don't.
As a critique of Lottich, the offense he runs seems to be sort of a blend between a motion offense and one that gives certain players or one player somewhat of a free reign. This role has moved from JFL to Clay and now Edwards. JFL's ability was such that he could fill this role pretty well even though he too ended up forcing things when they weren't there too often. Watching him at DePaul he appears to be a completely different player. Clay and Edwards driving one on three to flip up an over the shoulder layup or shooting too many defended 3's doesn't cut it.
Sheldon's a work in progress. I get it. Everyone who follows the program gets it. If it makes you feel good to repeat it, even when inappropriate, go for it.
Quote from: wh on November 27, 2021, 03:23:19 PMSheldon's a work in progress. I get it. Everyone who follows the program gets it. If it makes you feel good to repeat it, even when inappropriate, go for it.
When was it inappropriate?
Is bb33 ever gonna spill the beans on what he heard? If not, why even bring it up? I think it should be deleted otherwise
Matt Lottich is a good coach because he isn't secretly talking to USC while losing a conference championship.
At least he didn't lie about it...
Nonetheless, you have a good coach and good recruiter. Good chance they get back to the glory days with this one.
Several recruits have already decommitted.
This shows how important a coach is.
Quote from: valpolaw on November 28, 2021, 05:54:39 PMIs bb33 ever gonna spill the beans on what he heard? If not, why even bring it up? I think it should be deleted otherwise
Don't think he will. It appears he deleted his account, click on his name and nothing happens (past posts stay and are not deleted) So if he does say anything else it would have to come from a new account.