Not only do we get to #BeatDetroit, we get the Jim Cornelison to sing the anthem!
Quote from: HC on February 03, 2014, 06:48:22 PM
Not only do we get to #BeatDetroit, we get the Jim Cornelison to sing the anthem!
That will be exciting and great to hear at the ARC. He does just a great job at Blackhawk games. Now if we can just keep the snowstorms away for awhile. :thumbsup:
Detroit always plays us well at our place, but without mini-Ray or mini-Wrath, they just aren't the same:
Valpo 77
Detroit 64
Quote from: HC on February 03, 2014, 06:48:22 PM
Not only do we get to #BeatDetroit, we get the Jim Cornelison to sing the anthem!
Oh god, please just respect our country and sing along during the national anthem....
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If you've never heard Jim Cornelison sing the National Anthem, be prepared to be blown away. If there were rankings on best National Anthem singers he'd be number 1.
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Anyways, I think Valpo wins this one. Still a game with 10 minutes left but nobody on their team really scares me. We win by 12.
Quote from: a3uge on February 04, 2014, 12:19:23 AM
Quote from: HC on February 03, 2014, 06:48:22 PM
Not only do we get to #BeatDetroit, we get the Jim Cornelison to sing the anthem!
Oh god, please just respect our country and sing along during the national anthem....
There is very little chance of that happening, I'm afraid.
Then again, I don't happen to think it disrespects the country at all.
I think it respects the country *too much*.
I'm not quite sure why I think that, it's just a feeling I have. I have reached the point in my Blackhawks hockey watching where I mute whenever the anthem comes up at the United Center. Then again, I've never experienced it in person, so this weekend will be a first for me (assuming mother nature cooperates).
Quote from: StlVUFan on February 05, 2014, 08:41:37 AM
Quote from: a3uge on February 04, 2014, 12:19:23 AM
Quote from: HC on February 03, 2014, 06:48:22 PM
Not only do we get to #BeatDetroit, we get the Jim Cornelison to sing the anthem!
Oh god, please just respect our country and sing along during the national anthem....
There is very little chance of that happening, I'm afraid.
Then again, I don't happen to think it disrespects the country at all.
I think it respects the country *too much*.
I'm not quite sure why I think that, it's just a feeling I have. I have reached the point in my Blackhawks hockey watching where I mute whenever the anthem comes up at the United Center. Then again, I've never experienced it in person, so this weekend will be a first for me (assuming mother nature cooperates).
I will take his national anthem over the pledge of allegiance. A private flag making company writes a commercial chant, lobbies state governments to require it in schools, and then makes a fortune selling flags to schools. Genius on the part of that company, but in my opinion, not really based on patriotism. Plus, forcing elementary kids to pledge allegiance seems very fascist to me.
I love the whooping and hollering during the anthem, whats wrong with cheering for your country?! I've only witnessed him in person one time, and it sent chills down my spine (granted this was in a full United Center).
I really don't see why people are upset with this. He does a phenomenal job and sings it how it's supposed to be sung. He's not a pop-star that makes it his own, now that's disrespecting the country. He's an opera singer that does a great job and everybody cheers. What's the problem with that?
I've been to many Hawks games and it really is a great moment and everybody is cheering. I hope the same happens Friday, it really makes the atmosphere electric and it is no way it disrespects our country.
As someone who is both a Blackhawks fan and a Valpo fan, I honestly hope it doesn't happen. I understand how people think its a Jim Cornelison thing, but it's really not since it started before he started singing the anthem for the Blackhawks. This is a Blackhawks home game thing that gets done to applaud the men who are being honored on the ice before the game, veterans and current military members they have standing next to the anthem singer.
Even if Valpo has a member of the military on the court during the anthem, I will still stand there, as I normally do during the national anthem. This isn't a Valpo thing, let some teams have their home traditions, just because someone who is a part of those traditions is coming to your building, don't try make a sad facsimile of it.
I also get upset when I hear Blackhawks fans do it at opposing arenas, since it's most teams don't have military members on the ice while the anthem is played.
Not too many other boards would divert a game thread to debate anthems, pledges, fascism... :)
On the other hand, I think this means Detroit's officially not a rival any more. When your rival's up you don't bother with that stuff.
Could someone please explicate the subtext here for me, please?
I've read and reread and my interpretation is that when this Cornelison guy sings, people don't sing along but just stand and listen.
Is that what's going on here?
Quote from: SanityLost17 on February 05, 2014, 10:28:22 AM
Quote from: StlVUFan on February 05, 2014, 08:41:37 AM
Quote from: a3uge on February 04, 2014, 12:19:23 AM
Quote from: HC on February 03, 2014, 06:48:22 PM
Not only do we get to #BeatDetroit, we get the Jim Cornelison to sing the anthem!
Oh god, please just respect our country and sing along during the national anthem....
There is very little chance of that happening, I'm afraid.
Then again, I don't happen to think it disrespects the country at all.
I think it respects the country *too much*.
I'm not quite sure why I think that, it's just a feeling I have. I have reached the point in my Blackhawks hockey watching where I mute whenever the anthem comes up at the United Center. Then again, I've never experienced it in person, so this weekend will be a first for me (assuming mother nature cooperates).
I will take his national anthem over the pledge of allegiance. A private flag making company writes a commercial chant, lobbies state governments to require it in schools, and then makes a fortune selling flags to schools. Genius on the part of that company, but in my opinion, not really based on patriotism. Plus, forcing elementary kids to pledge allegiance seems very fascist to me.
I won't argue that, but I think I'm talking about something slightly different, though it could always turn into that same thing someday, I'll grant you.
For now, I think the anthem is not overtly coercive, even when Cornelison does it. I think everybody gets willingly swept up in it because it makes them feel good.
What bothers me is the potential for breaking the 2nd (?) commandment. Don't assume the Golden Calf wasn't inspirational in a very similar way. This is different, nobody's worshiping a statue (because that's not how we roll in the 21st century), but it can be intoxicating all the same.
Quote from: classof2014 on February 05, 2014, 11:07:35 AMI really don't see why people are upset with this.
Just to clarify, I'm not upset by it. And you're right, it's not disrespectful. I part company with that argument.
I'm just concerned, that's all.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 05, 2014, 11:37:04 AMCould someone please explicate the subtext here for me, please?
When he sings (and he sings very appropriately, but very enthusiastically, pointing in the air on "... still there", I think?), the entire United Center cheers loudly and enthusiastically all throughout the anthem. Sends shivers up your spine, so I'm told.
Quote from: SanityLost17 on February 05, 2014, 10:28:22 AMPlus, forcing elementary kids to pledge allegiance seems very fascist to me.
It grates on my nerves, for sure.
For those who haven't seen or heard him sing the national anthem:
http://youtu.be/aJT9K2APvas (http://youtu.be/aJT9K2APvas)
Quote from: agibson on February 05, 2014, 11:54:43 AM
Quote from: SanityLost17 on February 05, 2014, 10:28:22 AMPlus, forcing elementary kids to pledge allegiance seems very fascist to me.
It grates on my nerves, for sure.
How privileged we are in the United States of America that we can invent problems that aren't and debate them as if they are. God bless us all.
The Blackhawks tradition goes way back -- the articles say 1985. But, I recall it starting earlier and only towards the end of the song and then somewhere around 1991 (Gulf War I), there was a special occasion (All Star game?) and the place went nuts from start to finish. According to the first article my memory is hanging in there. (Mrs 84 would ask how can you remember some of that meaningless stuff....?) Wayne Messmer is still one of my all-time favorites doing the anthem and his dueting with his wife was always some of the best harmonies for the old bar tune that is our national anthem. Unfortunately, Wayne had some vocal surgeries that reduced his ability and Chicago fans (especially Cubs fans) miss his simple, dignified renditions.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/11/sports/hockey/how-the-national-anthem-turned-into-a-blackhawks-rallying-cry.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/11/sports/hockey/how-the-national-anthem-turned-into-a-blackhawks-rallying-cry.html?_r=0)
Second article is not quite as in depth. But there is nothing like it at the Stadium. When we watch at home, we crank the stereo to fire up for the games. With our slow starts, maybe this will help a bit.
http://blackhawks.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=530513 (http://blackhawks.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=530513)
Yes, you all are right, this is clearly not the rivalry games of the past 3 years. Still, must win game for Valpo!
Valpo Plays good Defense tonight wins and runs the table
VU 73 DMU 65 (the Game) :)
Quote from: valpopal on February 05, 2014, 11:58:22 AM
For those who haven't seen or heard him sing the national anthem:
http://youtu.be/aJT9K2APvas (http://youtu.be/aJT9K2APvas)
Watched this one and his rendition from 9/11/11 at the Bears game and I have to admit it was very emotional. Hope they do the same as the Blackhawks game and honor some from the military and veterans. It should fire everyone up!
The issue isn't with the way he signs the national anthem - it's the pretense that most of the cheering and hollering is done to respect America or something like that. After attending many games in Milwaukee with a Chicago opponent (Bulls/Cubs), and a couple Blackhawks games at the United Center, I refuse to believe yelling "Dddddd Rrrrooossseee" or "F*** EM UP HAWKS" during the national anthem is actually respecting our country.
Anyways, RPI forecast came out with a cool Wizard today that lets you input wins and losses of past and future games and runs their forecasting based on the inputted games:
http://www.rpiforecast.com/wizard/Valparaiso.html (http://www.rpiforecast.com/wizard/Valparaiso.html)
For kicks, I had us win out and the result was a 98 RPI. This doesn't include a road win vs Green Bay and a neutral game in a semi-final matchup.
Quote from: a3uge on February 05, 2014, 03:47:50 PM
The issue isn't with the way he signs the national anthem - it's the pretense that most of the cheering and hollering is done to respect America or something like that. After attending many games in Milwaukee with a Chicago opponent (Bulls/Cubs), and a couple Blackhawks games at the United Center, I refuse to believe yelling "Dddddd Rrrrooossseee" or "F*** EM UP HAWKS" during the national anthem is actually respecting our country.
And that right there points to one of my concerns. Even if every last fan was yelling "U! S! A!" or something like that, I would be concerned.
I'm also not sure what my 80+ year old Dad is going to think of it when I take him to the game Friday night. He served in the Navy between WWII and the Korean conflict. I'm guessing it might not sit well with him (he doesn't like hockey, so I assume he's not seen this rendition on TV, though now that I think of it, he may have seen it the couple of times it happened at a Bears game -- it also happened prior to the Bears-Seahawks playoff game in Jan. 2011 too, I think).
I believe the Jim C/cheering thing started to happen at the first game after 9/11 when our Country took on some pride and increased love for the USA.
Quote from: valpo64 on February 05, 2014, 07:05:30 PM
I believe the Jim C/cheering thing started to happen at the first game after 9/11 when our Country took on some pride and increased love for the USA.
I believe it "officially" started during the 1991 All-Star game in old Chicago Stadium. Operation Desert Storm was going on I believe and its occurred at every home game since.
Quote from: classof2014 on February 05, 2014, 07:57:04 PM
Quote from: valpo64 on February 05, 2014, 07:05:30 PM
I believe the Jim C/cheering thing started to happen at the first game after 9/11 when our Country took on some pride and increased love for the USA.
I believe it "officially" started during the 1991 All-Star game in old Chicago Stadium. Operation Desert Storm was going on I believe and its occurred at every home game since.
I believe there are officially 15 different origin stories for this and no one knows for sure when it really started.
Quote from: StlVUFan on February 05, 2014, 09:51:18 PMQuote from: classof2014 on February 05, 2014, 07:57:04 PMQuote from: valpo64 on February 05, 2014, 07:05:30 PMI believe the Jim C/cheering thing started to happen at the first game after 9/11 when our Country took on some pride and increased love for the USA.
I believe it "officially" started during the 1991 All-Star game in old Chicago Stadium. Operation Desert Storm was going on I believe and its occurred at every home game since.
I believe there are officially 15 different origin stories for this and no one knows for sure when it really started.
I remembered reading a CSN story as to the origin awhile back and was able to dig it up again, the best explanation of the origin that they could come up with was the 1984 Conference Finals. http://www.csnchicago.com/blog/blackhawks-talk/history-anthem-hawks-games (http://www.csnchicago.com/blog/blackhawks-talk/history-anthem-hawks-games)
Anyways, go Valpo, beat the Titans :)
Quote from: valpo64 on February 05, 2014, 07:05:30 PMI believe the Jim C/cheering thing started to happen at the first game after 9/11 when our Country took on some pride and increased love for the USA.
Then you would be extremely wrong.
Quote from: valpo84 on February 05, 2014, 01:42:11 PM
The Blackhawks tradition goes way back -- the articles say 1985. But, I recall it starting earlier and only towards the end of the song and then somewhere around 1991 (Gulf War I), there was a special occasion (All Star game?) and the place went nuts from start to finish. According to the first article my memory is hanging in there. (Mrs 84 would ask how can you remember some of that meaningless stuff....?) Wayne Messmer is still one of my all-time favorites doing the anthem and his dueting with his wife was always some of the best harmonies for the old bar tune that is our national anthem. Unfortunately, Wayne had some vocal surgeries that reduced his ability and Chicago fans (especially Cubs fans) miss his simple, dignified renditions.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/11/sports/hockey/how-the-national-anthem-turned-into-a-blackhawks-rallying-cry.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/11/sports/hockey/how-the-national-anthem-turned-into-a-blackhawks-rallying-cry.html?_r=0)
Second article is not quite as in depth. But there is nothing like it at the Stadium. When we watch at home, we crank the stereo to fire up for the games. With our slow starts, maybe this will help a bit.
http://blackhawks.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=530513 (http://blackhawks.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=530513)
Yes, you all are right, this is clearly not the rivalry games of the past 3 years. Still, must win game for Valpo!
People seriously yell those things during the national anthem at games in Chicago? You could get shot in TX for doing that during our national anthem. Before LAA says it first, 'you can get shot in TX for a lot of things' ;)
Lots of shooting ranges in Texas that you can see from the Interstates and even the 4-lane roads in residential neighborhoods.
Best of all you can buy them in drive-up windows along with a six-pack. And driving on a cell phone is perfectly legal.
But I'll take the red state 50 votes.
Quote from: valpotx on February 06, 2014, 10:40:04 AMBefore LAA says it first, 'you can get shot in TX for a lot of things'
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As I've said before, I think it says a lot about the state of the "rivalry" that we would rather talk about the anthem than the game.
04 can correct me, but I seem to remember that before the NCAA day, the biggest day in this site's history was 1/17/13 (or thereabouts) -- the day of The Comeback @ UDM, right?
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Quote from: a3uge on February 05, 2014, 04:41:29 PMFor kicks, I had us win out and the result was a 98 RPI. This doesn't include a road win vs Green Bay
then how could it be winning out...if it didn't include a road win in GB?
Thanks so much for pointing out the wizard...makes a great site even better. You can always see what winning out will do, though, on the original page (you just have to know where to look).
Of course, that only includes teams that are good enough to have a mathematical chance. Although even UIC still has a 0.02% of doing that. At least we're 0.92% :)
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 06, 2014, 12:39:31 PM
Quote from: a3uge on February 05, 2014, 04:41:29 PMFor kicks, I had us win out and the result was a 98 RPI. This doesn't include a road win vs Green Bay
then how could it be winning out...if it didn't include a road win in GB?
Thanks so much for pointing out the wizard...makes a great site even better. You can always see what winning out will do, though, on the original page (you just have to know where to look).
Of course, that only includes teams that are good enough to have a mathematical chance. Although even UIC still has a 0.02% of doing that. At least we're 0.92% :)
Winning out doesn't include the conference tourney - which if Valpo won, they'd have won the 2 games in the conference tourney, one of which would be a road win vs Green Bay. RPI Forecast can't really take that into account.
Quote from: a3uge on February 06, 2014, 12:52:40 PMWinning out doesn't include the conference tourney - which if Valpo won, they'd have won the 2 games in the conference tourney, one of which would be a road win vs Green Bay. RPI Forecast can't really take that into account.
Can't remember for sure, but wouldn't a tourney game against Green Bay in Resch still count as a neutral site game for RPI purposes?
We continue to play good defense.
Valpo 78
UDM 65
Quote from: Dave_2010 on February 06, 2014, 01:16:39 PM
Quote from: a3uge on February 06, 2014, 12:52:40 PMWinning out doesn't include the conference tourney - which if Valpo won, they'd have won the 2 games in the conference tourney, one of which would be a road win vs Green Bay. RPI Forecast can't really take that into account.
Can't remember for sure, but wouldn't a tourney game against Green Bay in Resch still count as a neutral site game for RPI purposes?
Nope. Virtually all RPI sites, as well as the NCAA RPI archives correctly identify neutral and home games for the conference tournament hosts. The only time they'll identify a neutral court is if its a fixed location, but most of the time its not the team's home arena anyways (see Belmont playing in Nashville for OVC championship last year).
Just noticed this today: the game is on ESPNU!
Other logistics: it's at 8pm CST.
Also, Murray State and Belmont are on ESPNU right now and it's a FANTASTIC game.
I am going to have to resolve to watching on DVR on this one, as I will be at our last Mavs game for this season. I was really hoping to watch it live, and will avoid any update checking as best I can.
Looks like a lot of empty seats tonight. It will be interesting to see if the student section is full with it being a Friday night game.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 06, 2014, 12:35:41 PM
As I've said before, I think it says a lot about the state of the "rivalry" that we would rather talk about the anthem than the game.
04 can correct me, but I seem to remember that before the NCAA day, the biggest day in this site's history was 1/17/13 (or thereabouts) -- the day of The Comeback @ UDM, right?
Most active days, ranked by "Most Online":
| Date | Most Online | Page Views |
| 2013-03-17 | 73 | 15357 |
| 2013-03-18 | 65 | 17935 |
| 2013-11-19 | 61 | 8353 |
| 2013-01-17 | 51 | 11325 |
Wow--thanks.
I thought so. But what the heck brought people online in almost-NCAA numbers in November? The day before the Evansville game!?!??!
line is Valpo by 8
It will be pretty sad if we can't get 4k+ for a TV game
Peters getting cocky with the student section after missing a layup 10 seconds earlier.
Valpo playing ugly basketball on the ESPN family of networks, what's new? Sloppy, lazy, bad basketball. Luckily, Mercy has been just as bad.
We need this game bad....Detroit's defense is giving us troubles. Hope we adjust in the 2nd half.
Bad half, should be up 10 not trailing by 1. Just so damn sloppy and uncoordinated with our play. We should be clobbering this team at home. Sad play so far.
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I know we said that Detroit wasn't considered a rival anymore...but I still have a great distaste for their team. This one really hurts.
Why didn't Capo pass it to dority? He was open.
Carter going for the steal vs playing D was a bigger mistake than Lexus not boxing out vs SLU. Tough loss at home.
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Good point. The bad taste this leaves means they are still something of a rival.
Well, any time someone beats you 3 straight on your home floor, that's a big part of it.*
And another part is losing to an inferior team. That adds bad taste too.
*yeah, they've done that to us, but we've done that to them too, except FOUR straight.
I don't know why we never saw this coming, since the last time the home team held serve in this series was 7 games ago.
Cool, another loss on ESPN. More playing like crap. More letting teams with inferior talent beat us AT HOME. More terrible fundamentals. God bleepin flippin frickin freaking holy mother of chrissake $#&%$%# get your head out of your asses and play better. And COACH better.
It's the little things that come back to bite you. Like going 14-23 in FT's. Or letting Bruinsma hit his 4th 3 pointer. Give them credit, Detroit had great defense tonight.
Just another drop in this roller coaster season.
Quote from: mj on February 07, 2014, 10:26:06 PM
Just another drop in this roller coaster season.
so, so true. every time. hell, LVD missed 2 FTs himself. Then again Vashil was the bomb...
Well, top seed is all but officially out. Let's still get the double bye, people.
GAH LOSING TO CRAPPY TEAMS IS JUST THE WORST
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Plenty of opportunities to win this one. Freshmen played very well....Dority and the upperclassmen clearly did not. A tough loss, but the better team won tonight. Detroit outplayed us in nearly every area of the game.
One of these days, Valpo will actually show the ability to win a game on national television. When that occurs, I'll know we've made it into the same class as the SLU's, Butlers, and Creightons. At least we didn't embarrass ourselves on national tv, but we have a long way to go to be viewed as anything more than a respectable mid-major.
I don't want to make this an annual post, but i dunno, it helped me last year and it did this year, and now i feel a little better about life:
http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1024.msg26229#msg26229 (http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1024.msg26229#msg26229)
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 07, 2014, 10:24:51 PMI don't know why we never saw this coming, since the last time the home team held serve in this series was 7 games ago.
Who didn't see this coming?
Quote from: historyman on January 30, 2014, 08:00:59 AMHere's kind of a wild prediction with several surprises.
@ UIC W
UDM L
OU W
@ UWM L
@ UWGB W
YSU L
@ WSU W
CSU W
Quote from: historyman on January 30, 2014, 11:33:34 AMAnother area that we must improve on is free throws. Valpo ended up 17 for 26 but that was only because some different shooters finally got to the line. If it weren't for Peters, Adekoya, Dority and Carter getting to the line it would have been a lot worse. At one point in the game 7 FT's had been taken by both teams and only 1 FT was made. Early in the game Valpo was 2 for 8 on FT's with Coleman, Gueye and Capo taking the free throws. Normally you would have a lot of confidence that those three players would make their FT's. Yet only Bobby made any FT's and he was only 2 for 5. LaVonte, as usual, led the team by making all 6 of his FT's since he shot all of them in the 2nd half. The poor FT shooting could have hurt us if Brown had been playing and the score had been closer.
Just watched the game on DVR, and couldn't have yelled any louder at the TV after that last series. Carter should have had an easy tip or steal on that ball, or at least just played regular D, then that last play looked like a bunch of lost kids. Seriously, we throw it to Moussa 2-3 seconds into the inbounds pass, he fumbles it, launches it to a covered teammate, and an impossible shot. With 5.7 seconds left you should run a play where you have one of your fast players loop down low to get the ball on the run, and just take it to the basket. At least give your team a chance! It looked like our play was to receive the ball close to half-court, when that is more than enough time to go coast-to-coast, or get a better jump shot. A really bad loss to a bad team...what else is new?
The only consolation for me today was watching the Mavs beat the Jazz at the AAC, and seeing Gordon Hayward play like crap ;). This was one week after my last Mavs game, and seeing Ray Jr. sit on the pine all game ;D
Quote from: valpotx on February 08, 2014, 12:19:59 AMCarter should have had an easy tip or steal on that ball, or at least just played regular D, then that last play looked like a bunch of lost kids.
Was Carter healthy? Everything he did seemed to be in slow motion with no instinctual reactions. Maybe deadened by cold medication? Coleman as well contributed very little. Lots of mistakes elsewhere but had we any contribution from Keith or Jordan and the game still would have been ours.
Actually - if the HL would stop calling :censored: fouls Lexus would have still been in the game. His fouling out is why we lost. He is so much better than anyone else on the team running point. Everyone plays better with him in that role.
(I just feel like too many games seem to be slowed down by the refs. And I sometimes feel like they call some small crap and let fouls that impact the game go. I am not saying unfair calls against us - just impact flow. )
BTW the three pointer by Howard was clutch. ... His celebrating ???
I will take the blame for this one, I never should've started that game thread :'(
Moussa had to have been gassed, he'd been in there since about the 13 minute mark I'd guess when Vashil got his 4th foul. Coleman gave us nothing, Lexus fouled out (that last one he committed was just dumb), and Valpo missed too many free throws (and it wasn't even Vashil's fault).
At least it's a quick turn around.
Unfortunately, perhaps the highlight of the night happened before the opening tip:
http://youtu.be/vKAvfJljO8I (http://youtu.be/vKAvfJljO8I)
Wow, thank you for sharing this wonderful clip. It is about to motivate me to get off my butt and going full spin to clean the house!! So great to see thanks and respect for those who have protected our country.
Much of the credit for the Detroit win can be given to Juwan Howard, Jr. However, I think the difference in the game was the play of Evan Bruinsma, who was performing at his sister's school and in front of his whole family. Bruinsma had a double-double of 10 rebounds and 12 points. (To be fair, he almost had a triple double because he also had 9 turnovers!) He was all over the place and in the middle of just about every play since he was on the court more than any player of either team, 37 minutes.
Bruinsma created the disparity in rebounds (37-30), which should have been a strength for Valpo. Bruinsma also had 4 3-pointers, which was the other difference in this game since Detroit shot 50% from outside (10-20). In the game at Detroit, the Titans only shot 25% from the 3-point line, and Bruinsma was 0-2. He also had only 2 rebounds in that game. Control Bruinsma last night and Valpo wins the game easily!
Some photos from the game:
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Unfortunate game but overall I wasn't too upset with the lost because we deserved it.
I thought the officiating was just plain awful and completely dictated the pace of the game. We were never able to get into a groove because there was a whistle every 25 seconds it seemed. It was nice to see Alec play well, he seems to be coming back into early season form.
This loss basically eliminates us from having a legitimate shot at first but we're still in good shape for second. So it's not the end of the world. Disappointing way to lose it. Give credit to Howard, he hit a tough shot. And I thought the final play of the game was awful, I really would've liked an inbound to LVD or KC and have them run the length of the court and throw up a 3 or get in the lane for a 2. Can't blame Moussa, fumbled the ball and panicked a bit. Still got off a shot that almost went down.
We have a quick turnaround and we will beat Oakland. They have no defense and we typically play well after a disappointing game.
Give credit to Detroit in this one, their defense was suffocating.
Quote from: classof2014 on February 08, 2014, 11:37:12 AM
Unfortunate game but overall I wasn't too upset with the lost because we deserved it.
I thought the officiating was just plain awful and completely dictated the pace of the game. We were never able to get into a groove because there was a whistle every 25 seconds it seemed. It was nice to see Alec play well, he seems to be coming back into early season form.
This loss basically eliminates us from having a legitimate shot at first but we're still in good shape for second. So it's not the end of the world. Disappointing way to lose it. Give credit to Howard, he hit a tough shot. And I thought the final play of the game was awful, I really would've liked an inbound to LVD or KC and have them run the length of the court and throw up a 3 or get in the lane for a 2. Can't blame Moussa, fumbled the ball and panicked a bit. Still got off a shot that almost went down.
We have a quick turnaround and we will beat Oakland. They have no defense and we typically play well after a disappointing game.
Give credit to Detroit in this one, their defense was suffocating.
Didn't get to see it live but the replay was just as bad! No, you can't blame Moussa for fumbling the ball, that is part of his skill set. I can blame Coach Drew for putting him in that position. With 5.9 seconds to go we sure should have gotten a better shot off than a half court heave.
Quote from: vu72 on February 08, 2014, 12:00:36 PM
Quote from: classof2014 on February 08, 2014, 11:37:12 AM
Unfortunate game but overall I wasn't too upset with the lost because we deserved it.
I thought the officiating was just plain awful and completely dictated the pace of the game. We were never able to get into a groove because there was a whistle every 25 seconds it seemed. It was nice to see Alec play well, he seems to be coming back into early season form.
This loss basically eliminates us from having a legitimate shot at first but we're still in good shape for second. So it's not the end of the world. Disappointing way to lose it. Give credit to Howard, he hit a tough shot. And I thought the final play of the game was awful, I really would've liked an inbound to LVD or KC and have them run the length of the court and throw up a 3 or get in the lane for a 2. Can't blame Moussa, fumbled the ball and panicked a bit. Still got off a shot that almost went down.
We have a quick turnaround and we will beat Oakland. They have no defense and we typically play well after a disappointing game.
Give credit to Detroit in this one, their defense was suffocating.
Didn't get to see it live but the replay was just as bad! No, you can't blame Moussa for fumbling the ball, that is part of his skill set. I can blame Coach Drew for putting him in that position. With 5.9 seconds to go we sure should have gotten a better shot off than a half court heave.
Armchair QB'ing it will sound like, but, I still do not understand why Moussa was even in the game the last 5.7 seconds. He has trouble catching passes in normal situations, let alone a last second play, and he was not needed on the court to play defense at that point. I thought he should of been substituted for someone who is more versatile, used to handling the ball and catching inbounds or other passes, someone who if needed, could put the ball on the floor and dribble downcourt, or look for the open man. :banghead:
I would suggest Howard came dangerously closed to taunting and that he would have done better to strut like that in front of his own bench instead of ours.
I seriously do not understand why UDM players insist on rubbing salt in an open would like that. It can only come back to haunt them later. It does not give them any advantage whatsoever. It's a quick high that can easily lead to a long drawn out low. It's a cheap thrill with an expensive backlash.
And that is squarely on one Ray McCallum, Sr.
The game atmosphere last night was amazing, from the singing of the National Anthem all the way to the final buzzer! Win or lose, there is no better place to be than the ARC watching our Crusaders battle for a victory. I wish all of my forum brothers could have shared in the experience.
As to the game itself our guys fought hard; it just wasn't their night. Even with the loss I love this group.
Quote from: wh on February 08, 2014, 01:13:53 PM
The game atmosphere last night was amazing, from the singing of the National Anthem all the way to the final buzzer! Win or lose, there is no better place to be than the ARC watching our Crusaders battle for a victory. Our guys fought hard; it just wasn't their night. Even with the loss I love this group.
Too bad we couldn't get the W. Hoping it'll be just as alive for Oakland tomorrow.
I can't believe how blessed we are to have a great young coach. The job they did recruiting for this year was phenomenal. We have 3 freshmen starting and we're in 3rd right now with a possibility of finishing 2nd. When Alec, Lexus, and Jubril are juniors and seniors this team will be hard to beat.
Another armchair qb... We have struggled a couple times this season when the clock is running down. Needed to catch the ball on the run so that a player could run the length of the court. Overall very fun game to watch. ...
This team has a some great potential for the next few years.
Quote from: historyman on February 07, 2014, 11:00:04 PMWho didn't see this coming?
don't break your hand patting yourself on the back just yet, since you didn't have the stones to post your prediction in this thread.
also, every coach since James Naismith's grandfather has been warning people that missed Free Throws would come back to bite them in the tuchus, so i'll just give you 51% credit for those two.
although it is harder to warn about missed FTs being one of the better-shooting teams in the nation, so let's up you to 60.9%, noncoincidentally our percentage last night.
I just visited the thread from last year and I can't believe that LVD was considered an "awful PG and useless player". Since I didn't follow the team last year, I am not sure if he really was bad last year or if the poster is just a LVD hater. I honestly think that he is our second best player after Jubril this year.
Quote from: ValpoFan on February 08, 2014, 06:09:23 PMI just visited the thread from last year and I can't believe that LVD was considered an "awful PG and useless player". Since I didn't follow the team last year, I am not sure if he really was bad last year or if the poster is just a LVD hater.
LVD was a very solid but somewhat inconsistent back up 2 last year but his PG play was a big disappointment. Much of the Feb. Detroit rout last season was enabled by his struggles with the backup PG play. I am almost afraid to look back at what I might of said at the time because I might have been kicking him while he was down also. ;)
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 08, 2014, 05:37:31 PMdon't break your hand patting yourself on the back just yet, since you didn't have the stones to post your prediction in this thread.
Truth is I wasn't near the internet from 2/2/14 till today. I certainly would have made that prediction if that thread had been posted but you have warned posters not to start threads until the previous game was completed. It was on my mind.
Quote from: bbtds on November 16, 2013, 11:30:31 AM I thought I'd get this one started also. From what I have seen you can watch this game for $6.95 by starting an account on AcesTV. http://www.gopurpleaces.com/showcase/ (http://www.gopurpleaces.com/showcase/) I'm hoping some "private entrepreneurs" will feel "quasi-obliged" to provide a free feed somewhere on the internet. (wink, wink)
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on November 16, 2013, 01:01:22 PM (http://ih1.redbubble.net/image.12999137.3678/fig,white,uorganic,ffffff.jpg)
I have posted a gallery of more than 40 photographs from the game for all to check out, including the one below displaying a reaction by Bobby that all the players seemed to share, which means that I think they will come out with even more determination against Oakland. The set of photos can be seen at the following:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/96208998@N05/sets/72157640694224223/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/96208998@N05/sets/72157640694224223/)
(http://i62.tinypic.com/30lkwg6.jpg)
LVD was in the wrong role last year... He is a 2 and he struggled playing the point. (I'd be surprised if that is not something that was said last year. )
Quote from: StlVUFan on February 08, 2014, 01:01:21 PMI seriously do not understand why UDM players insist on rubbing salt in an open would like that. It can only come back to haunt them later. It does not give them any advantage whatsoever. It's a quick high that can easily lead to a long drawn out low. It's a cheap thrill with an expensive backlash.And that is squarely on one Ray McCallum, Sr.
It's a lack of team discipline. I'm seeing it first hand in Oklahoma with OSU. Teams that lack discipline and responsibility will never reach their potential. Let's be honest, has Ray Sr. been successful at Detroit with exception for the 2 years his son and other great players were there? Even then, I think they underachieved. Ray Sr. doesn't get the best out of his teams. History and records tell us this. Underachievers due to a lack of leadership and discipline.
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 09, 2014, 10:14:59 AM
Quote from: StlVUFan on February 08, 2014, 01:01:21 PMI seriously do not understand why UDM players insist on rubbing salt in an open would like that. It can only come back to haunt them later. It does not give them any advantage whatsoever. It's a quick high that can easily lead to a long drawn out low. It's a cheap thrill with an expensive backlash.And that is squarely on one Ray McCallum, Sr.
It's a lack of team discipline. I'm seeing it first hand in Oklahoma with OSU. Teams that lack discipline and responsibility will never reach their potential. Let's be honest, has Ray Sr. been successful at Detroit with exception for the 2 years his son and other great players were there? Even then, I think they underachieved. Ray Sr. doesn't get the best out of his teams. History and records tell us this. Underachievers due to a lack of leadership and discipline.
For a team with an NBA talent, a single 15-seed appearance shouldn't be viewed as successful. Look at what Howard, Norris Cole, Shelvin Mack were able to do and then look at how Detroit consistently came into the league with top 3 talent and were only able to sneak into the tournament once to play Kansas in the first round.
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I know many might hate to revisit the Detroit at Valpo game, but I thought it interesting that it is listed as Number 10 in the "Top 10 Mid-Major Games of the Year" by SB Nation Mid-Major Madness: http://www.midmajormadness.com/2014/4/16/5620110/top-10-mid-major-games-of-the-year (http://www.midmajormadness.com/2014/4/16/5620110/top-10-mid-major-games-of-the-year)
In case you forgot (Who wouldn't want to?), here is my photo of the winning shot:
(http://i61.tinypic.com/zit2ky.jpg)