Next up... The Panthers... First of three games in 5 days....Hoping for "Separation Weekend"...
Here's the UWM Box Score from their game with Cleveland State on Saturday.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/boxscore/NCAAB_20160109_MILW@CLEVST (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/boxscore/NCAAB_20160109_MILW@CLEVST)
Season Stats...
http://mkepanthers.com/custompages/Men's%20Basketball/2015-16%20Season/seasonstats.pdf (http://mkepanthers.com/custompages/Men's%20Basketball/2015-16%20Season/seasonstats.pdf)
one thing to jump out... they've had the same starting 5 for every game this year.
They are certainly not "Awed" by any team with wins @Wisconsin and @Minnesota in front of boisterous, loud crowds. We'll need the ARC fans to come out for this one!
Quote from: talksalot on January 10, 2016, 07:02:06 PM
They are certainly not "Awed" by any team with wins @Wisconsin and @Minnesota in front of boisterous, loud crowds. We'll need the ARC fans to come out for this one!
They can be dangerous, for sure.
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First of three games in 5 days....
Huh. I'd not noticed this. MLK game. And breaking up our visits to the travel partners. Funny schedule.
NCAA stats before Saturday... Milwaukee
Stat Rank Value
Scoring Offense 57 79.8
Scoring Defense 181 71.3
Scoring Margin 81 8.5
Rebound Margin 114 3.3
Assists Per Game 16 18.1
Blocked Shots Per Game T-235 2.9
Steals Per Game 325 4.5
Turnover Margin 225 -0.7
Assist Turnover Ratio 22 1.52
Field-Goal Percentage 85 46.0
Field-Goal Percentage Defense 228 44.1
Three-Point Field Goals Per Game T-37 9.0
Three-Point Field-Goal Percentage 104 36.2
Free-Throw Percentage 9 76.4
Won-Lost Percentage 83 68.8
and Valpo
Scoring Offense 187 73.1
Scoring Defense T-4 58.3
Scoring Margin 24 14.8
Rebound Margin 38 6.6
Assists Per Game T-227 12.7
Blocked Shots Per Game T-115 4.0
Steals Per Game 45 8.0
Turnover Margin T-74 1.9
Assist Turnover Ratio 181 1.03
Field-Goal Percentage 187 43.8
Field-Goal Percentage Defense 7 36.8
Three-Point Field Goals Per Game 104 7.7
Three-Point Field-Goal Percentage 110 35.9
Free-Throw Percentage T-92 72.0
Won-Lost Percentage T-36 80.0
Quote from: talksalot on January 10, 2016, 07:30:08 PMAssists Per Game 16 18.1
Oh, right. Jordan Johnson. Second in the country in assists, behind Felder. 10.9 PPG, 7.9 APG, 3.2 RPG. "Only" two double-doubles though, and "only" two twenty-point games.
Won a JUCO (Division II?) national championship, and was first-team All-American that season.
Someone please upload T.Walkers Sports Center dunk against UWM's 7 footer.
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXcGMHpctGM#)
Valpo 79
Milwaukee 66
Here we go again...
Game #17 of the season, over the past 29 years, we are 16-13
(Game #18 of the season, over the past 29 years, we are 16-13)
Game 17...
2014-15 - Beat Youngstown in the ARC 79-64
2013-14 - Lost @ Oakland 75-70
2012-13 - Beat UIC away 75-70
2011-12 - Lost @ Wright State 73-55
2010-11 - Beat Cleveland State in the ARC 64-58
2009-10 - Lost @ Wright State 59-57
2008-09 - Lost to Wright State 64-48 in the ARC
2007-08 - Beat Green Bay in the ARC 82-73
January 14th results... Valpo has not lost on January 14th in the ARC in 27 years!
2011 - Valpo 71 Wright State 60 AWAY
2010 - Valpo 70 Youngstown State 66 HOME
2006 - Valpo 82 Western Illinois 68 AWAY
1997 - Valpo 76 Chicago State 59 HOME
1995 - Troy State 93 Valpo 76 AWAY
1991 - Valpo 58 Green Bay 55 AWAY
1989 - UIC 92 Valpo 64 HOME
Continue the great defense and don't let any team get close at the ARC.
Valpo 77
Milw 61
Quote from: talksalot on January 11, 2016, 09:26:48 AMJanuary 14th results... Valpo has not lost on January 14th in the ARC in 27 years! 2011 - Valpo 71 Wright State 20 AWAY
I forgot about that Wright State blowout the other year ;)
thanks... fixed the typo in the original post... it wasn't QUITE that bad...
Here are all of the HL team stats from the NCAA through Sunday's games... look how many categories have Milwaukee leading the conference...
http://web1.ncaa.org/stats/StatsSrv/ranksummary (http://web1.ncaa.org/stats/StatsSrv/ranksummary)
They are 3-1
2-point loss to Wright State - HOME
11-point win over Northern Kentucky - HOME
16-point win over Youngstown State - ROAD
3 point win over Cleveland State - ROAD
Kind of bummed I have to miss this one to coach my middle schoolers....
Valpo wins it 71-58
Blast from the past:
For some of our younger members, probably the most exciting Valpo vs. Milwaukee game was played at the ARC in 2004 - a full 3 years before Valpo joined the Horizon League. Milwaukee, under the leadership of former coach Bruce Pearl, was a powerhouse that year. They brought a huge, very vocal (dare I say obnoxious) group of fans with them that day, who were fully expecting to witness a beat down at the hands of their beloved Panthers. Instead, here's what happened:
Loyd's Last-Second Free Throw Lifts Valpo Past Wisconsin-Milwaukee
Saturday, December 11, 2004
Valparaiso, Ind. - Freshman Jarryd Loyd's free throw with 1.8 seconds left lifted Valpo past Wisconsin-Milwaukee 72-71. The victory was the Crusaders' first of the season, while the Panthers suffered their first loss in seven games.
Dan Oppland led four Valpo players in double figures with 20 points. Ron Howard added 13, while Jimmie Miles and Seth Colclasure netted 12 each. Valpo (1-5) was red-hot from 3-point range, draining 9 of 12 from beyond the arc in the first half and finishing with 10 of 16 (63 percent) overall.
The Crusaders were shorthanded as starters Ali Berdiel, Kenny Harris and key reserve Shawn Huff were sidelined with injuries.
In a game that was close throughout, Valpo took a 67-61 lead with 4:12 remaining on Oppland's two free throws. UW-Milwaukee (6-1) trimmed the lead to one on two separate occasions - the last at 69-68 with 1:18 left on a basket by Joah Tucker.
After Valpo center Moussa Mbaye made a layup off a pass from Colclasure with 25 seconds remaining, the Panthers tied the game at 71-71 on Boo Davis' 3-pointer from the right corner with six seconds left.
Loyd then took the inbounds pass and raced up to halfcourt where he was fouled by Chris Hill with 1.8 seconds remaining. Valpo was already in the two-free throw bonus and Loyd missed the first charity toss before UWM called timeout. Loyd calmly swished the second free throw before Adrian Tigert's three-quarter court pass was intercepted by Mbaye as the horn sounded.
The game featured seven ties and nine lead changes- eight of which occurred in the first half. Behind the nine 3-pointers, including three by Colclasure, the Crusaders took a 36-35 lead with 3:57 left before halftime after UWM had gained a seven-point advantage two minutes earlier. Colclasure and Miles hit consecutive treys before Davis and Tigert scored two points each during a 4-0 run to help the Panthers regain a two-point lead. Colclasure's two free throws with 1:24 left produced a 41-41 score at halftime.
Valpo, which shot 54 percent in the first 20 minutes, maintained its productivity and held the lead for most of the second half. Oppland's two free throws broke a 48-48 tie with 16:05 remaining and the Crusaders extended their lead to seven (65-58) with 5:04 left on Howard's well-defended 3-pointer from left of the top of the key.
Ed McCants' 3-pointer with 2:39 left cut UWM's deficit to 67-64 and Tucker dropped in a layup to complete a 5-0 run at the 2:28 mark. Oppland then added two free throws to push the Valpo lead back to three to set up the exciting final minute.
Oppland, who scored 25 points in Thursday's loss to Indiana State, converted 11 of 13 free throws. The 6'8" junior added seven rebounds, four assists and one blocked shot.
Miles and Howard (3 steals) each made two, 3-pointers. Mbaye, who received his first start, was 4-of-4 from the field for eight points and grabbed a game-high eight rebounds. Loyd tied Oppland with a team-high four assists.
Valpo finished shooting 49 percent (21-43)overall, while limiting UWM to 39 percent. The Panthers struggled from 3-point territory, draining 9 of 32 (28 percent). The Crusaders made 80 percent (20-25) of their free throws to UWM's 10-14 (71 percent).
Tucker topped UWM with 20 points and seven rebounds, while McCants added 14 and Davis had 12.
I still remember walking out of the ARC feeling very happy and maybe even chuckling a little thinking about the long, quiet bus ride home our visitors from the great state of Wisconsin had in store. ;) Fun memories like that never grow old.
Oh, that game, it was classic. Definitely one of the best games I experienced in my 4 years. Thanks for the flashback.
Quote from: wh on January 11, 2016, 11:01:39 PM
Blast from the past:
For some of our younger members, probably the most exciting Valpo vs. Milwaukee game was played at the ARC in 2004 - a full 3 years before Valpo joined the Horizon League. Milwaukee, under the leadership of former coach Bruce Pearl, was a powerhouse that year. They brought a huge, very vocal (dare I say obnoxious) group of fans with them that day, who were fully expecting to witness a beat down at the hands of their beloved Panthers. Instead, here's what happened:
Loyd's Last-Second Free Throw Lifts Valpo Past Wisconsin-Milwaukee
Saturday, December 11, 2004
Valparaiso, Ind. - Freshman Jarryd Loyd's free throw with 1.8 seconds left lifted Valpo past Wisconsin-Milwaukee 72-71. The victory was the Crusaders' first of the season, while the Panthers suffered their first loss in seven games.
Dan Oppland led four Valpo players in double figures with 20 points. Ron Howard added 13, while Jimmie Miles and Seth Colclasure netted 12 each. Valpo (1-5) was red-hot from 3-point range, draining 9 of 12 from beyond the arc in the first half and finishing with 10 of 16 (63 percent) overall.
The Crusaders were shorthanded as starters Ali Berdiel, Kenny Harris and key reserve Shawn Huff were sidelined with injuries.
In a game that was close throughout, Valpo took a 67-61 lead with 4:12 remaining on Oppland's two free throws. UW-Milwaukee (6-1) trimmed the lead to one on two separate occasions - the last at 69-68 with 1:18 left on a basket by Joah Tucker.
After Valpo center Moussa Mbaye made a layup off a pass from Colclasure with 25 seconds remaining, the Panthers tied the game at 71-71 on Boo Davis' 3-pointer from the right corner with six seconds left.
Loyd then took the inbounds pass and raced up to halfcourt where he was fouled by Chris Hill with 1.8 seconds remaining. Valpo was already in the two-free throw bonus and Loyd missed the first charity toss before UWM called timeout. Loyd calmly swished the second free throw before Adrian Tigert's three-quarter court pass was intercepted by Mbaye as the horn sounded.
The game featured seven ties and nine lead changes- eight of which occurred in the first half. Behind the nine 3-pointers, including three by Colclasure, the Crusaders took a 36-35 lead with 3:57 left before halftime after UWM had gained a seven-point advantage two minutes earlier. Colclasure and Miles hit consecutive treys before Davis and Tigert scored two points each during a 4-0 run to help the Panthers regain a two-point lead. Colclasure's two free throws with 1:24 left produced a 41-41 score at halftime.
Valpo, which shot 54 percent in the first 20 minutes, maintained its productivity and held the lead for most of the second half. Oppland's two free throws broke a 48-48 tie with 16:05 remaining and the Crusaders extended their lead to seven (65-58) with 5:04 left on Howard's well-defended 3-pointer from left of the top of the key.
Ed McCants' 3-pointer with 2:39 left cut UWM's deficit to 67-64 and Tucker dropped in a layup to complete a 5-0 run at the 2:28 mark. Oppland then added two free throws to push the Valpo lead back to three to set up the exciting final minute.
Oppland, who scored 25 points in Thursday's loss to Indiana State, converted 11 of 13 free throws. The 6'8" junior added seven rebounds, four assists and one blocked shot.
Miles and Howard (3 steals) each made two, 3-pointers. Mbaye, who received his first start, was 4-of-4 from the field for eight points and grabbed a game-high eight rebounds. Loyd tied Oppland with a team-high four assists.
Valpo finished shooting 49 percent (21-43)overall, while limiting UWM to 39 percent. The Panthers struggled from 3-point territory, draining 9 of 32 (28 percent). The Crusaders made 80 percent (20-25) of their free throws to UWM's 10-14 (71 percent).
Tucker topped UWM with 20 points and seven rebounds, while McCants added 14 and Davis had 12.
I still remember walking out of the ARC feeling very happy and maybe even chuckling a little thinking about the long, quiet bus ride home our visitors from the great state of Wisconsin had in store. ;) Fun memories like that never grow old.
Was that one of the first HLN games that Valpo fans could watch their team? Or am I off on that?
Was not televised on anything in those days that I recall. I recall listening on the intertubes to Todd's call of the game.
According to the reliable Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizon_League (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horizon_League):
Horizon League Network
Launched
2006
Owned by
Horizon League
Picture format
720p
Country
United States
Broadcast area
Webcast
Headquarters
Indianapolis, Indiana
In 2006, the conference launched the Horizon League Network (HLN) as the centerpiece of a revamped web portal.[11] In partnership with The CBS College Sports Network, the broadband network airs over 200 live events free on the League's official website. Events include regular season basketball games, tournament matches, archived championships, The Horizon League Report, and other programming from the array of athletics the league sponsors. Its coverage complements events televised on ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU and members' local sports networks.
The Horizon League and WebStream Productions launched a completely redesigned Horizon League Network [2] website in September 2009. The site, which can be found at www.HorizonLeagueNetwork.tv (http://www.horizonleaguenetwork.tv), serves as a portal to hundreds of live and on-demand videos while giving its users the ability to interact on an array of social media platforms.
rlh had the game on his website. I can remember watching it there on realplayer ;)
Quote from: StlVUFan on January 12, 2016, 04:31:54 PM
rlh had the game on his website. I can remember watching it there on realplayer ;)
Okay, I hadn't remembered a link in the chain.
I didn't post anything then but a guy in my church back then got me into it.
Any team that can win convincingly at Minnesota is formidable in my book. That court is scary, even though Minnesota is weak this year. We would likely defeat The Gophers on the road, too (and break our Big Ten curse!). Not sure how we'd do against the top half of the B1G....probably 500 at best. We could probably knock off most of them in Valpo. Fun to speculate.
Quote from: atkins on January 12, 2016, 05:02:52 PM
Any team that can win convincingly at Minnesota is formidable in my book. That court is scary, even though Minnesota is weak this year. We would likely defeat The Gophers on the road, too (and break our Big Ten curse!). Not sure how we'd do against the top half of the B1G....probably 500 at best. We could probably knock off most of them in Valpo. Fun to speculate.
I would say. Right now they are losing to Nebraska by 27!
Here's the UWM Game Notes
http://mkepanthers.com/documents/2016/1/12/Game_18_Notes_1516_VALP.pdf (http://mkepanthers.com/documents/2016/1/12/Game_18_Notes_1516_VALP.pdf)
Milwaukee's record when...
Scoring <50 points 0-0
Scoring 50-59 points 0-0
Scoring 60-69 points 3-1
Scoring 70-79 points 5-1
Scoring 80 or more points 4-3
Allowing <50 points 0-0
Allowing 50-59 points 2-0
Allowing 60-69 points 8-1
Allowing 70-79 points 2-0
Allowing 80 or more points 0-4
and their game-preview
http://mkepanthers.com/news/2016/1/12/MBB_0112163317.aspx?path=mbball (http://mkepanthers.com/news/2016/1/12/MBB_0112163317.aspx?path=mbball)
The spread:Valpo -12.5
Quote from: wh on January 13, 2016, 04:18:38 PM
The spread:Valpo -12.5
I'd be surprised if the victory is by that much. Milwaukee has size and plays a style that causes us problems. I'm thinking 71-66
I just realized that I have become complacent and little worried about the upcoming week of basketball! :o Danger :o Danger! Danger!
I hope the team has a different frame of mine.
Milwaukee and Green Bay are two strong teams, a good team effort should get us a 5-0 record, wins over the other top teams in the first 1/3ed of the season VU 78 Milwaukee 73, VU 72 UWGB 66 :)
Quote from: justducky on January 13, 2016, 10:00:25 PM
I just realized that I have become complacent and little worried about the upcoming week of basketball! :o Danger :o Danger! Danger!
I hope the team has a different frame of mine.
Not I. The votes in the AP and Coaches' polls have me thinking every game is important. I don't think we've shut the door on being ranked nor on the at-large opportunities, especially if we go 18-0 in conference.
Of course it won't be easy, but we've passed two of the important early tests with flying colors and the pieces are all there.
Our chances of going 18-0 are just so ridiculously low. I know we played well last weekend, but you know how it goes. There are always those one or two games when all of our shots are rimming out and the other team can't miss even with a hand in their face. Or there will be a game when the refs are extremely whistle happy and we get in foul trouble in conjunction with a few guys being sick our are out with minor injuries. It is just the nature of the beast over a tough conference season.
Milwaukee probably matches up "man for man" with us better than any other team in the Horizon. They have decent size and strength, a pass first point guard, and a few guys that can really bury 3's when they are on. I expect this will be a win, because we are playing at home. However, I think they will probably get us when we play them in Milwaukee.
Quote from: SanityLost17 on January 14, 2016, 07:14:16 AM
Our chances of going 18-0 are just so ridiculously low. I know we played well last weekend, but you know how it goes. There are always those one or two games when all of our shots are rimming out and the other team can't miss even with a hand in their face. Or there will be a game when the refs are extremely whistle happy and we get in foul trouble in conjunction with a few guys being sick our are out with minor injuries. It is just the nature of the beast over a tough conference season.
Milwaukee probably matches up "man for man" with us better than any other team in the Horizon. They have decent size and strength, a pass first point guard, and a few guys that can really bury 3's when they are on. I expect this will be a win, because we are playing at home. However, I think they will probably get us when we play them in Milwaukee.
That last trip is going to be rough. I hope we have the 1 or 2 seed locked up after that (ugh pointless to win the regular season now).
There's a good game day article in the NWI Times. Don't have any more free reads to post the link. The 2 major points:
•Alec says that they lost focus after the successful west coast trip, assuming everything would just take care of itself. Back on track now.
•In reference to Tevonn's posterizing dunk at Milwaukee, Alec notes that Tevonn can hit his head on the rim anytime he wants. Doesn't even need to stretch or tie his shoes.
Quote from: wh on January 14, 2016, 07:40:05 AM
There's a good game day article in the NWI Times. Don't have any more free reads to post the link. The 2 major points:
•Alec says that they lost focus after the successful west coast trip, assuming everything would just take care of itself. Back on track now.
•In reference to Tevonn's posterizing dunk at Milwaukee, Alec notes that Tevonn can hit his head on the rim anytime he wants. Doesn't even need to stretch or tie his shoes.
High-flying Walker brings energy to the Crusaders (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/high-flying-walker-brings-energy-to-the-crusaders/article_f9215f87-bb04-5fff-8554-46b00d906a8b.html)
Quote from: SanityLost17 on January 14, 2016, 07:14:16 AM
Our chances of going 18-0 are just so ridiculously low. I know we played well last weekend, but you know how it goes. There are always those one or two games when all of our shots are rimming out and the other team can't miss even with a hand in their face. Or there will be a game when the refs are extremely whistle happy and we get in foul trouble in conjunction with a few guys being sick our are out with minor injuries. It is just the nature of the beast over a tough conference season.
Milwaukee probably matches up "man for man" with us better than any other team in the Horizon. They have decent size and strength, a pass first point guard, and a few guys that can really bury 3's when they are on. I expect this will be a win, because we are playing at home. However, I think they will probably get us when we play them in Milwaukee.
Hey, Butler did it one year. Anything you can do I can do better, I can do anything better than you. Yes I can!
Quote from: Just Sayin on January 14, 2016, 10:19:08 AM
Quote from: SanityLost17 on January 14, 2016, 07:14:16 AM
Our chances of going 18-0 are just so ridiculously low.
Hey, Butler did it one year. Anything you can do I can do better, I can do anything better than you. Yes I can!
The biggest single game test, most would agree, was passed with flying colors. And two of the biggest three or four?
Our computer numbers (e.g. KenPom, Sagarin) have improved.
RPI Forecast, based on Sagarin's PREDICTOR, puts our odds of running the table at 16%. Up considerably. And makes "0 or 1 losses" a coin flip with "more than 1 loss".
Running the table's never going to be easy, and is not the most likely outcome. But, I'm not saying never. I'm even saying "maybe... just maybe". Enjoy it while it lasts!
I picked 17-1 back when we did that thread, the one I thought we might lose is in the rearview mirror. I wish I could change my answer to 18-0, in fact I'm disgusted with myself for thinking we might lose one game. I'm a bad fan.
Quote from: Just Sayin on January 14, 2016, 10:19:08 AM
Quote from: SanityLost17 on January 14, 2016, 07:14:16 AM
Our chances of going 18-0 are just so ridiculously low. I know we played well last weekend, but you know how it goes. There are always those one or two games when all of our shots are rimming out and the other team can't miss even with a hand in their face. Or there will be a game when the refs are extremely whistle happy and we get in foul trouble in conjunction with a few guys being sick our are out with minor injuries. It is just the nature of the beast over a tough conference season.
Milwaukee probably matches up "man for man" with us better than any other team in the Horizon. They have decent size and strength, a pass first point guard, and a few guys that can really bury 3's when they are on. I expect this will be a win, because we are playing at home. However, I think they will probably get us when we play them in Milwaukee.
Hey, Butler did it one year. Anything you can do I can do better, I can do anything better than you. Yes I can!
Exactly. The odds are low but what's ridiculously low is how often a good team returns all their talent and adds more. We've lost games (by an average margin of 4 points) so we know we can't win them all, but going forward, there isn't a game in which we won't be favored, barring any key injuries.
"There's a good game day article in the NWI Times. Don't have any more free reads to post the link. The 2 major points:"
If you have Google Chrome - open an incognito window and you'll get your free reads back! 8-)
Quote from: Jordan on January 14, 2016, 01:12:48 PM
"There's a good game day article in the NWI Times. Don't have any more free reads to post the link. The 2 major points:"
If you have Google Chrome - open an incognito window and you'll get your free reads back! 8-)
The article was posted above by FWAlum.
Quote from: Jordan on January 14, 2016, 01:12:48 PMIf you have Google Chrome - open an incognito window and you'll get your free reads back!
Or, you know, subscribe to the newspaper and help ensure continuing coverage of VU Athletics ;)
Too bad there's no micro-payment option, read an article for a dime or a quarter or something. I did end up feeling guilty enough, a year or so ago, to take out a subscription. At the time I said I'd do it for a time, as a sort of recognition of the value of the coverage I was appreciating (VU Athletics, a bit of local news). Haven't discontinued it yet...
Don't think this has been posted yet. Nice article from the Chicago Tribune:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/post-tribune/sports/ct-ptb-mens-basketball-valparaiso-st-0114-20160113-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/post-tribune/sports/ct-ptb-mens-basketball-valparaiso-st-0114-20160113-story.html)
Quote from: vu72 on January 14, 2016, 04:49:08 PMNice article from the Chicago Tribune:
It's "just" Osipoff's game day piece from the Post Tribune, one of the local NW Indiana papers. They were bought a couple of years ago by the Tribune (first by the Sun Times, maybe?) and their websites have been merged.
But, we're very lucky to have two local papers, two beat writers, delivering quality coverage. Definitely worth linking their articles.
Quote from: agibson on January 14, 2016, 05:20:29 PM
Quote from: vu72 on January 14, 2016, 04:49:08 PMNice article from the Chicago Tribune:
It's "just" Osipoff's game day piece from the Post Tribune, one of the local NW Indiana papers. They were bought a couple of years ago by the Tribune (first by the Sun Times, maybe?) and their websites have been merged.
But, we're very lucky to have two local papers, two beat writers, delivering quality coverage. Definitely worth linking their articles.
The Milwaukee forum has been complaining that they get no attention from the local media unless they're playing UW-Madison.
I'm actually pleasantly surprised at our occasional Chi-Tribune shoutout, even if it's just a copy/paste of the Osipoff article.
Listened to game on radio. Great run at the end.
Peters only 2 points!
Love the work on the glass. The Carter 3 to put us up 11 was great - Peters was posting up against Johnson and Carter shot knowing Peters had a good shot at a rebound if he missed. At least, I hope that's how it went down.
Guessing there will be some free throw shooting in the gym tomorrow! Double digit wins thus far over what would appear to be the top half of the league. Keep rolling and stay focused!
Nice win while Peters was clearly not on his game. Shows we don't rely on just our stud to win games. Defense was solid as usual. Rebounds were unreal. Have to keep it up.
This felt a bit like the inverse of the 2014 HL Semifinal between these two teams. This time, it was Valpo owning the glass and never letting UWM back into it. 20-0 on second chance points.
Also 23-0 on bench points.
Solid game Peters Does what is needed and friends Party on the UWGB! home win record!!
Some bright spots, for sure. Vashil a force. Hammink an inspiration driving from the point. Some quality defense.
Was Milwaukee even _trying_ to rebound? When's the last time our offensive rebounds equaled other teams defensive?
Peters body language, facial expressions, in the second half were interesting. Seemed definitely off his game, seemed to be sort of flummoxed, "Huh, not going so well for me. But, we're up 10. Maybe that's OK?"
Overall, my gut feeling says B, B- game from Valpo. And you win by double digits. There you go.
Peters off, still nearly a double double, and horrid free throw shooting = a 12 point win. Valpo got all the rebounds!
Was it just me, I sit pretty far up, or did the one ref's whistle kind of sickly?
To me it showed that even a mediocre effort was good enough to beat one of the best in the conference. Nice game and taught us to go with other then traditional paths to victory.
Fun game to watch. Free throw shooting also seems to be a weakness that rears its ugly head randomly for us, especially on the front end of a one and one. We'll need to step that up to give us an advantage is close games.
Is EVN still hurt/recovering? I only recall seeing him on the floor for a very short period.
"Carter 8 of 8 free throws in conference". Misses next three. " Peters almost automatic" - misses front end of one for one. When will announcers learn they totally jinx players when they they say these things before free throws. Guys. Please. Wait until after free throws to say these things.
Quote from: valpolaw on January 14, 2016, 09:58:09 PMIs EVN still hurt/recovering? I only recall seeing him on the floor for a very short period.
As fragile as he has been I suspect that Bryce is in no hurry to return him to extensive bruising action. Getting him some playing time coming down the stretch run that prepares him for the post season might be all we need to ask from him.
I don't think EVN knows how to play cautiously so maybe he is being protected from himself. That said Hammink still makes me nervous when he is playing as the backup point. Of course so does EVN.
Quote from: valpolaw on January 14, 2016, 09:58:09 PM
Fun game to watch. Free throw shooting also seems to be a weakness that rears its ugly head randomly for us, especially on the front end of a one and one. We'll need to step that up to give us an advantage is close games.
Is EVN still hurt/recovering? I only recall seeing him on the floor for a very short period.
I've often noticed that when Valpo returns home from a critical and hot-shooting road trip that the first game back home they shoot poorly. I've also noted that when EVN tries to work his way back into the lineup after an injury, he tries too hard and plays sloppy. I don't know about the injury, but I suspect that if he played, he's healed, right?
Quote from: Just Sayin on January 14, 2016, 10:19:08 AM
Quote from: SanityLost17 on January 14, 2016, 07:14:16 AM
Our chances of going 18-0 are just so ridiculously low. I know we played well last weekend, but you know how it goes. There are always those one or two games when all of our shots are rimming out and the other team can't miss even with a hand in their face. Or there will be a game when the refs are extremely whistle happy and we get in foul trouble in conjunction with a few guys being sick our are out with minor injuries. It is just the nature of the beast over a tough conference season.
Milwaukee probably matches up "man for man" with us better than any other team in the Horizon. They have decent size and strength, a pass first point guard, and a few guys that can really bury 3's when they are on. I expect this will be a win, because we are playing at home. However, I think they will probably get us when we play them in Milwaukee.
Hey, Butler did it one year. Anything you can do I can do better, I can do anything better than you. Yes I can!
Even the liberals did it, one year! ;) Yes, they can!
With about six minutes to play Bryce let off the gas. This disrupted the game and we looked bad. We could have beaten them by 20.
Previous comment redacted. I misread BB's original post. Sorry BB!
And Go Valpo!!!
Quote from: WiscoCrusader on January 14, 2016, 11:44:20 PM
BBTDS - Since you brought politics into the discussion...
If you really think "the Liberals" winning the White House was a scenario which involved "ridiculously low" odds, you are in for a rude awakening in the next 100-200 years.
Welcome to the Demographic awakening.
And Go Valpo!!!
I didn't really mean to bring politics into it. I just thought it was interesting that Just Sayin used a phrase or something similar to a phrase that is well known as being used by a group that I'm pretty sure he doesn't appreciate as much as others on this board do. Just yankin' a chain or two.
I suddenly feel the cold chill of serious political leanings. Relax! Can't we poke a little and have some fun?
Oh, yes, GO VALPO---right, I'm mean directly down the middle.
Quote from: nkvu on January 14, 2016, 10:10:27 PM
"Carter 8 of 8 free throws in conference". Misses next three. " Peters almost automatic" - misses front end of one for one. When will announcers learn they totally jinx players when they they say these things before free throws. Guys. Please. Wait until after free throws to say these things.
:lol:
So Vashil was our best free throw shooter last night.
Honest, I think we could have drove and scored at will.
I thought the same thing as soon as the announcer was mentioning Alec's FT prowess. I literally said out loud, 'he is going to miss it now.' Even though it obviously has not real effect on our FT ability, it is amazing how that works sometimes.
Couple of quick thoughts:
1. A pretty convincing win against a pretty good team without much offense from our star and not a great overall performance on that end of the floor from anyone other than Vashil. But this is what happens when you bring hustle and defense every night. You're able to overcome nights when your star is off. Teams like Oakland cannot.
2. Very disappointing crowd last night.
Why is Bryce forcing Shane Hammink to be a backup PG?
Don't we have Max and Lexus to do that when Carter needs a break?
I am not questioning Bryce's wisdom, just trying to understand.
Quote from: ValpoFan on January 15, 2016, 10:34:20 AM
Why is Bryce forcing Shane Hammink to be a backup PG?
Don't we have Max and Lexus to do that when Carter needs a break?
I am not questioning Bryce's wisdom, just trying to understand.
Fair question. First, Lexus is not the Lexus of old and may never be. The injury has left him a step slow and he isn't very big to begin with. Shane adds things that at this point Max doesn't have. He is bigger and a very good defender. He also has the ability to drive and score that we haven't seen from Max. Shane will be a very good scorer once he gets his confidence in his 3 point shot. Just my opinion.
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on January 15, 2016, 10:09:46 AM
Couple of quick thoughts:
1. A pretty convincing win against a pretty good team without much offense from our star and not a great overall performance on that end of the floor from anyone other than Vashil. But this is what happens when you bring hustle and defense every night. You're able to overcome nights when your star is off. Teams like Oakland cannot.
2. Very disappointing crowd last night.
I thought the same thing... Well about both points. The student section seemed alright, but there were many seats open in the upper deck.
I was also curious about the back up point guard situation. Max is very good at not turning the ball over and is a pretty good defender as well. Having him as the backup point until EVN returns to 100% might make the offense run a little smoother. I am sure Shane can pick up minutes elsewhere. Of course, maybe EVN won't be healthy this year, Bryce doesn't have minutes anywhere else for Shane, and he thinks Shane will be a really good backup point by the end of the season (growing pains now).
This team will be really hard to stop if/when Carter starts finishing his drives to the basket with a greater percentage (to go along with his excellent passing); and when we figure out who our backup point is going to be for 8-10 minutes a game.
Quote from: SanityLost17 on January 15, 2016, 11:17:13 AMThis team will be really hard to stop if/when Carter starts finishing his drives to the basket with a greater percentage (to go along with his excellent passing);
Agree--especially if Keith can start hitting free throws at a high percentage.
Quote from: ValpoFan on January 15, 2016, 10:34:20 AM
Why is Bryce forcing Shane Hammink to be a backup PG?
Don't we have Max and Lexus to do that when Carter needs a break?
I am not questioning Bryce's wisdom, just trying to understand.
Shane needs work on handling the ball and will be very valuable later in the season with his defense and size. Bryce did the same thing last year with Nickerson, who struggled on offense early on. Although Max Joseph was a better point guard, he stuck with Nickerson and it paid off late in the year. Remember Nickerson blowing by Sykes in the Championship Game to seal the victory? I think having Shane handle some point is a good thing, as it will improve his weakest portion of his game - handling the ball and being out of control.
Lexus is just too undersized and doesnt provide what Bryce wants with his bench, which is good defense and size, especially when Jubril replaces Vashil.
Shane had a nice second half when he was running the point. I don't feel comfortable with him (or EVN) handling the ball when the opponents are putting pressure on the ball handler. Of course if that were to happen I'm confident that Valpo would use their size to pass the ball over the top of the defense. All that said, I'd rather he be handling the ball then see Max out there while the game is in doubt. He has less game on the offensive end then Buggs did.
It should be pretty obvious now that even though Milwaukee had similar size they do not have the athletes that Valpo has.
Quote from: a3uge on January 15, 2016, 11:10:16 AMThe student section seemed alright, but there were many seats open in the upper deck.
It's true, there were certainly plenty of empty seats. But, for a work night (if not a school night for Valpo public schools), I didn't think the crowd was too bad. Not building as much as I'd like, to be sure, for a team receiving votes and playing a decent opponent. But, only modestly disappointing, perhaps?
Unfortunately, I'm not sure if any of our conference opponents are really going to draw fans in numbers. Is Felder famous enough? We've had rumblings of a rivalry with Oakland and Detroit, but I'm not sure anything enough to draw folks out.
A national ranking would help, I hope... Maybe by the end of the season?
2619. Not as many as Belmont (3379 - better quality opponent a draw?), but more than any "school night" home game last season.
TV games seem to help... but is ESPNU, when Oakland comes to town, the closest we get to a big TV game at the ARC? That's moderately disappointing, as well.
Shane is "getting there" but still has the tendency to play out of control at times. It also seems to me that when he is on the point, he doesn't look for Alec enough. I don't understand why we don't look for Alec more often. If he is open early in a possession, I think we should get the ball to him and give him the green light to shoot.
Quote from: valpo64 on January 15, 2016, 04:17:21 PM
Shane is "getting there" but still has the tendency to play out of control at times. It also seems to me that when he is on the point, he doesn't look for Alec enough. I don't understand why we don't look for Alec more often. If he is open early in a possession, I think we should get the ball to him and give him the green light to shoot.
I agree that it seems that we aren't very good at getting the ball to Alex in the post where he many times seems to have an obvious mismatch, our entry passes require improvement. On the other hand I think the strength of this team is that we don't need Alec to carry the scoring load. I am sure he has the green light to shoot... but he doesn't have to, especially early in possessions. We have many other options that can score in the context of the offense. I think it has become obvious, especially this season, that when we need a bucket or a shift in momentum the ball ends up in Tevonn's hands. Having so many players that on any given night can be the difference maker is a real luxury.
Some Vines from the game.
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