2023 Women’s Tennis

VULB#62 · February 11, 2023, 05:12:00 PM

Don't look now but WT is 6-1! Just beat Northern Illinois.

Still beats me why Valpo dropped MT. They were so good at the time 😵‍💫

But when a program only brings in 8-10 bodies a year to the enrollment, I guess that's the aanswer.

valpotx · February 12, 2023, 04:10:00 PM

Quote from: VULB#62 on February 11, 2023, 05:12:00 PM
Don't look now but WT is 6-1! Just beat Northern Illinois.

Still beats me why Valpo dropped MT. They were so good at the time 😵‍💫

But when a program only brings in 8-10 bodies a year to the enrollment, I guess that's the aanswer.

Exactly. Not sure how much Men's Tennis and Soccer cost Valpo each year, but two very successful programs that no longer exist

VULB#62 · February 12, 2023, 04:39:59 PM

Actually, based on the source below (brought over from the MBB Coach speculation string) that predated their removal, MT had a net profit of + $23,070 and accounted for 8 members. MSO had a net loss of - $15,018 but accounted for 28 members. Combined, those sports still accounted for a net profit of + $8,052. Basically, they didn't cost the university anything. MT was doing exceedingly well record-wise at the time with some incredible student athletes - I think the team GPA was over 3.75 or something like that. MSO competed against nationally ranked D-I teams (beat or tied some), had one HL regular championship, and competed in the middle of the MVC pack and never embarrassed the athletic department on the field score-wise or off it in their work in the community. I'm still wondering.........

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/valparaiso-university/student-life/sports/#:~:text=Did%20the%20Valpo%20Athletics%20Program,paid%20out%20%2413%2C496%2C863%20in%20expenses

vu72 · February 13, 2023, 09:34:08 AM

Quote from: VULB#62 on February 12, 2023, 04:39:59 PM
Actually, based on the source below (brought over from the MBB Coach speculation string) that predated their removal, MT had a net profit of + $23,070 and accounted for 8 members. MSO had a net loss of - $15,018 but accounted for 28 members. Combined, those sports still accounted for a net profit of + $8,052. Basically, they didn't cost the university anything. MT was doing exceedingly well record-wise at the time with some incredible student athletes - I think the team GPA was over 3.75 or something like that. MSO competed against nationally ranked D-I teams (beat or tied some), had one HL regular championship, and competed in the middle of the MVC pack and never embarrassed the athletic department on the field score-wise or off it in their work in the community. I'm still wondering.........

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/valparaiso-university/student-life/sports/#:~:text=Did%20the%20Valpo%20Athletics%20Program,paid%20out%20%2413%2C496%2C863%20in%20expenses

Question: This is way off the thread but...how does baseball, a Non-revenue sport, make the university $616,000? Does baseball share some revenue like basketball?

VULB#62 · February 13, 2023, 09:45:24 AM

I wondered the same thing. For one, they account for 33 players (tuition revenue). But their road trips are lengthy and, early on, they are on the road constantly because of weather up north - LOTS of expense there. Perhaps they get paid to be fodder to the likes of Kansas? They certainly don't generate revenue for attendance at Em Bauer Field. Your thought that the MVC gets multiple NCAA bids resulting in shares seems plausible.

beacons23 · February 13, 2023, 09:51:22 AM

Quote from: vu72 on February 13, 2023, 09:34:08 AM
Quote from: VULB#62 on February 12, 2023, 04:39:59 PM
Actually, based on the source below (brought over from the MBB Coach speculation string) that predated their removal, MT had a net profit of + $23,070 and accounted for 8 members. MSO had a net loss of - $15,018 but accounted for 28 members. Combined, those sports still accounted for a net profit of + $8,052. Basically, they didn't cost the university anything. MT was doing exceedingly well record-wise at the time with some incredible student athletes - I think the team GPA was over 3.75 or something like that. MSO competed against nationally ranked D-I teams (beat or tied some), had one HL regular championship, and competed in the middle of the MVC pack and never embarrassed the athletic department on the field score-wise or off it in their work in the community. I'm still wondering.........

https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/valparaiso-university/student-life/sports/#:~:text=Did%20the%20Valpo%20Athletics%20Program,paid%20out%20%2413%2C496%2C863%20in%20expenses

Question: This is way off the thread but...how does baseball, a Non-revenue sport, make the university $616,000? Does baseball share some revenue like basketball?

Has to be based on amount players pay to come here.
I would think very few get full ride scholarships
Baseball is just another sport where the school is using athletics to increase enrollment.

VULB#62 · February 13, 2023, 10:42:22 AM

It is also interesting that the net profit/loss for the men's sports vs. the women's sports are noticeably different. The Men's bar graph range goes from $0 to $800,000. While the Women's graph only goes from $0 to $30,000. And it is not surprising that SB and WSO lead the women's profit makers - they are among the largest teams. But that doesn't explain why WT&F with 64 members and $178K in revenue only makes $9.7K in profit while SB with only 19 players brings in a whopping $752K in revenue. Could it be that this article hit when SB went to the NCAAs?

vu72 · February 13, 2023, 10:45:20 AM

Quote from: beacons23 on February 13, 2023, 09:51:22 AMHas to be based on amount players pay to come here.
I would think very few get full ride scholarships
Baseball is just another sport where the school is using athletics to increase enrollment.

D1 has a scholarship limit of 11.7 for baseball. Valpo's roster shows 31 team members. If this is the case, then how wouldn't football be the biggest revenue generator? I guess I'll answer my own question: Football has huge equipment costs, national travel obligations, a coaching staff of at least 10, a Director of Football Operations as well as a full time weight coach, while baseball has 4. Still, with at least one big buy game annually and a roster of 115, it seems difficult to have football generating only $85K while baseball is generating 617K.

valpotx · February 16, 2023, 02:07:51 AM

When I was playing, we also had a JV, so a total roster size of around 55-60 guys. With the 11.7 total scholarships, Baseball was definitely a revenue contributor to Valpo athletics. Baseball used to be in charge of Basketball concessions and some live events (WWE) in the ARC. We were average in quality, but very much contributors to overall Valpo athletics.

VULB#62 · March 15, 2023, 08:20:40 PM

Our WT team is 9-2 coming out of Florida and just beat South Dakota. Talk about punching above your weight class.

Ya know, another way to be relevant in the MVC is to dominate the lesser sports. Few of the MVC schools scholarship these sports anyway so we have an advantage. With only a modest investment, many athletes in the "minor" sports, who generally are looking for a great academic and personal experience, would gravitate to Valpo for the education first and D-I a very, very close second. VB is already up there, but WSO is in the lead right now with a championship. Baseball appears to be chomping at the bit. Men's golf is highly competitive. Personal records in T&F and S&D are dropping rapidly. and on and on. If I was Small, I'd make the lesser sports project 1a.

EDIT: Case in point on the minor sports. WG just signed Bella Campos from Honolulu via IMG Academy in Florida. Four holes-in-one, rounds of 62 and 65 on her resume. She chose Valpo because "it is a small Division I school." She goes on to say she won't feel like another number and is looking forward to the academic side of college life.

http://www.valpoathletics.com/wgolf/news/2022-23/21965/campos-to-join-valpo-womens-golf-program/

valpo tundra · May 12, 2023, 07:53:29 PM

Women's Tennis deserves a lot more love. They had their best season in over 15 years and they keep winning academic accolades. Coach Modesto is widely revered and runs a top-notch program.

valpotx · May 14, 2023, 03:01:52 AM

A strong non-conference record didn't translate to the same in the MVC, but a ton of improvement this year, that we can hopefully build off for next season

VULB#62 · June 12, 2023, 01:24:12 PM

Wow, we're grabbing WT players from all over. Australia, Canada and California.

https://twitter.com/valpoathletics/status/1668318820593811458?s=20

http://www.valpoathletics.com/wtennis/news/2022-23/22160/tennis-welcomes-trio-of-newcomers-for-2023-24/

Coach Modesto is recruiting his butt off.

valpotx · September 17, 2023, 02:42:19 PM

Congrats to Olivia! However, I am curious how the athletic department views records in such a unique circumstance as the last few years. The prior record holder played 4 seasons, as that was all that was allowed. With an extra COVID year, Olivia was able to proceed to a 5th full year of play, and broke this record during that 5th year. It seems a bit wrong to just claim an outright record in such a case, but maybe it is just me.

https://www.valpoathletics.com/wtennis/news/2023-24/22262/czerwonka-breaks-program-record-for-career-singles-wins/

Valpofamfan · September 18, 2023, 02:19:43 AM

They did not have a fall season in 2020 so I think she still would have broken the record. But I agree, it's more like half a season was missed replaced by a full season.

Brandon · September 18, 2023, 08:54:10 AM

Quote from: valpotx on September 17, 2023, 02:42:19 PMCongrats to Olivia! However, I am curious how the athletic department views records in such a unique circumstance as the last few years. The prior record holder played 4 seasons, as that was all that was allowed. With an extra COVID year, Olivia was able to proceed to a 5th full year of play, and broke this record during that 5th year. It seems a bit wrong to just claim an outright record in such a case, but maybe it is just me. https://www.valpoathletics.com/wtennis/news/2023-24/22262/czerwonka-breaks-program-record-for-career-singles-wins/

In this case, Olivia clearly would have broken the record even in a non-COVID situation because the spring 2020 season was cut off with over a month remaining in the season, they did not play at all in fall 2020 and she broke the record three matches into her fifth year. In terms of the question about how we view career records where student-athletes have the extra year due to COVID-19, they are viewed and recorded no differently than if they had occurred in four years. This is consistent with NCAA recordkeeping.

valpotx · September 18, 2023, 02:47:48 PM

Quote from: Brandon on September 18, 2023, 08:54:10 AM
Quote from: valpotx on September 17, 2023, 02:42:19 PMCongrats to Olivia! However, I am curious how the athletic department views records in such a unique circumstance as the last few years. The prior record holder played 4 seasons, as that was all that was allowed. With an extra COVID year, Olivia was able to proceed to a 5th full year of play, and broke this record during that 5th year. It seems a bit wrong to just claim an outright record in such a case, but maybe it is just me. https://www.valpoathletics.com/wtennis/news/2023-24/22262/czerwonka-breaks-program-record-for-career-singles-wins/

In this case, Olivia clearly would have broken the record even in a non-COVID situation because the spring 2020 season was cut off with over a month remaining in the season, they did not play at all in fall 2020 and she broke the record three matches into her fifth year. In terms of the question about how we view career records where student-athletes have the extra year due to COVID-19, they are viewed and recorded no differently than if they had occurred in four years. This is consistent with NCAA recordkeeping.

It would have been close, with this in mind. I wouldn't say clearly, as she was 11-8 in that 2020 season. If we hold to her winning percentage that year over the usual ~25 singles matches each full year, which the prior recordholder also played each season, she gains 3.47 wins in that season. Regardless, congrats to her, and understood on the NCAA guidance.

Brandon · September 18, 2023, 03:54:47 PM

Quote from: valpotx on September 18, 2023, 02:47:48 PMIt would have been close, with this in mind. I wouldn't say clearly, as she was 11-8 in that 2020 season. If we hold to her winning percentage that year over the usual ~25 singles matches each full year, which the prior recordholder also played each season, she gains 3.47 wins in that season. Regardless, congrats to her, and understood on the NCAA guidance.

The 2019-20 and 2020-21 seasons were both impacted because it was Spring 2020 cut short and Fall 2020 where they did not play at all. She had at least 15, probably more like 20, singles matches that were cancelled due to COVID-19 during her career and she needed only three extra matches during her fifth year to break the record.

valpotx · September 19, 2023, 02:45:00 AM

How many singles matches do they play each season nowadays? I see that she had 22 matches in 2019-2020 and 19 in 2020-2021. I believe that during the prior recordholder's time on campus, it was around 25, if someone played each opponent and wasn't injured. Again, not trying to take away from Olivia's accomplishment, but genuinely curious on the comparisons involved.

It looks like for Kate:

2003-2004 - 14-4 - 18 matches
2004-2005 - 20-3 - 23 matches
2005-2006 - 17-7 - 24 matches
2006-2007 - 14-12 - 26 matches

Olivia:

2019-2020 - 13-9 - 22 matches
2020-2021 - 11-8 - 19 matches
2021-2022 - 22-? - ? matches
2022-2023 - 17-7 - 24 matches