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Title: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: 78crusader on February 11, 2013, 07:55:46 AM
VU 66
WSU 64

Going to be optimistic on this one.  Will be a very tough game for us.

Paul
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: valpo04 on February 11, 2013, 08:41:33 AM
I've added the basketball icon to use to help distinguish the Game Threads.  Should help make them stand out and be easier to find.

So, in the future, whenever someone creates a game thread, please select the "Game Thread" message icon. 
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: bbtds on February 11, 2013, 09:38:58 AM
Quote from: valpo04 on February 11, 2013, 08:41:33 AM
I've added the basketball icon to use to help distinguish the Game Threads.  Should help make them stand out and be easier to find.

So, in the future, whenever someone creates a game thread, please select the "Game Thread" message icon. 

How does one choose that icon, please explain.
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: valpotx on February 11, 2013, 10:03:23 AM
I think that we will continue our strong play.  It looks like we have our roles defined within the team, and it is clicking.  I believe the first half will be back-and-forth, but pull away with a strong second half.

Valpo 74
WSU 68
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: valpo04 on February 11, 2013, 10:17:53 AM
Quote from: bbtds on February 11, 2013, 09:38:58 AM
Quote from: valpo04 on February 11, 2013, 08:41:33 AM
I've added the basketball icon to use to help distinguish the Game Threads.  Should help make them stand out and be easier to find.

So, in the future, whenever someone creates a game thread, please select the "Game Thread" message icon. 

How does one choose that icon, please explain.

Directly under "Subject:" is "Message icon:" Choose "Game Thread" from the drop down.  It is directly under "Standard."
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: talksalot on February 11, 2013, 11:41:11 AM
I put this on the looking forward thread... but it probably belongs here...
===========================================
OK, this will help with the WSU game tomorrow...
Game #26 on the year...

Over the past 20 years, we are 8-1 at home, 8-3 on the road, 16-4 overall.
HL Games...  We beat CSU by 18 last year on the road, we beat WSU at home 2 years ago by 2 (On February 12th), and we beat UIC 3 years ago by 1 at home.

Speaking of games played on February 12, over the past 20 years, we have played 7 times on 2/12... and we are 6-1, lone loss coming in 04-05 @ IUPUI, we are 4-0 at home and 2-1 on the road.

We need this one tomorrow night!
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: vu84v2 on February 11, 2013, 12:09:24 PM
The team looks very solid and confident now.  Valpo is getting a lot more now from Capobianco who looks much more comfortable.  Boggs and Bogan both seem more confident lately too.  My expectation is a solid performance.

Valpo 72
Wright State 67
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: a3uge on February 11, 2013, 12:29:08 PM
Valpo 60
Wright St 68

Might be one of those games where KVW gets into early foul trouble, the 3 point shooting isn't there, and we continue to turn the ball over. Should be a low scoring game. I'll give this one to the home team, but I hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: bbtds on February 11, 2013, 01:50:34 PM
Quote from: valpo04 on February 11, 2013, 10:17:53 AM
Quote from: bbtds on February 11, 2013, 09:38:58 AM
Quote from: valpo04 on February 11, 2013, 08:41:33 AM
I've added the basketball icon to use to help distinguish the Game Threads.  Should help make them stand out and be easier to find.

So, in the future, whenever someone creates a game thread, please select the "Game Thread" message icon. 

How does one choose that icon, please explain.

Directly under "Subject:" is "Message icon:" Choose "Game Thread" from the drop down.  It is directly under "Standard."

Thanks! Another thing, like clicking on the "new" icon so it takes you directly to the latest post you haven't read yet, that I have overlooked until recently. And there are so many choices:

Message icon:   Standard
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Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: VUfan on February 11, 2013, 02:39:33 PM
VU 74 WSU 66 We push the tempo and take advantage of our better skills and win our 20th.
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: HC on February 11, 2013, 02:59:53 PM
WSU stinks.  Valpo cruises with a 12 point win.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: vuweathernerd on February 11, 2013, 05:57:42 PM
Quote from: a3uge on February 11, 2013, 12:29:08 PM
Valpo 60
Wright St 68

Might be one of those games where KVW gets into early foul trouble, the 3 point shooting isn't there, and we continue to turn the ball over. Should be a low scoring game. I'll give this one to the home team, but I hope I'm wrong.

i hope you're wrong too, as does probably just about everyone on this board. we've been getting great minutes from capo to spell kvw, and i think that continues tonight. i also think rowdy's overdue for another double double game. if buggs can penetrate and then kick out or get to the rack, i think we can cause all kinds of problems for the raiders.

any word on if rossi's gonna dress for this one?
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: StlVUFan on February 11, 2013, 06:18:32 PM
Last year after beating CSU, we dragged our MASH unit to Youngstown shorthanded and got creamed.  I'm afraid the same thing is going to happen tomorrow, even though I don't expect a starter to have been lost.

There must have been a reason why Jordan Coleman saw only a few minutes in the 2nd half and Vashil Hernandez saw no court time.  The latter I can understand and can see where he might see more time against WSU, but I'm not sure what the deal is with Coleman.  If Dority and Kenney have to sit out, we're going to need both of those guys just to have an 8-man rotation.
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: EddieCabot on February 11, 2013, 07:48:19 PM

http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/big-week-awaits-valparaiso/article_96faca5b-8da3-532f-a9ae-ca9ffaa946bf.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/big-week-awaits-valparaiso/article_96faca5b-8da3-532f-a9ae-ca9ffaa946bf.html)

Pre game story from Paul Oren and NWI Times.  Interestingly see the comments about the long bus rides ... anyone else curious why they drove all the way back to Valpo late Saturday when they were back on the bus again this morning.  Wouldn't it have made more sense to stay in Ohio and just drive from Cleveland to Dayton on Sunday afternoon and eliminate about 6 hours of travel time?
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: truth219 on February 11, 2013, 08:00:04 PM
We have the better team. I love how we think of excuses for reasons why we could lose rather than reasons why we should win.
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: agibson on February 11, 2013, 08:11:29 PM
Quote from: EddieCabot on February 11, 2013, 07:48:19 PM
anyone else curious why they drove all the way back to Valpo late Saturday when they were back on the bus again this morning.  Wouldn't it have made more sense to stay in Ohio and just drive from Cleveland to Dayton on Sunday afternoon and eliminate about 6 hours of travel time?

A day of classes, presumably.
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: Goraiders93 on February 11, 2013, 08:23:41 PM
Quote from: HC on February 11, 2013, 02:59:53 PM
WSU stinks.  Valpo cruises with a 12 point win.  :thumbsup:

Wright State's 5 under class men played more sound ball at valpo than they did in front of a pretty good crowd against a senior laden team.  Probably cause they're used to 2000 being in the gym. Happens to our guys too. But I think the raiders come out with a fire in their bellies after the upsetting previous home stand. Rolling after completing the home and away Wisconsin sweep. Not sure if You guys are aware of our recent change in starters, but it's a different look, changes momentum.

Any of you making the trip down?
Raiders 62
Valpo 58

Hope I don't eat my words ;)  No question it will be a good game.
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: sliman on February 11, 2013, 08:25:23 PM
Without knowing what time the team left for Dayton, I'm not sure how many classes the guys were able to attend today.  I believe the NCAA mandates that players have at least one day off per week while school is in session.  It's possible that Sunday was the day off which enables the team to practice all three days after returning from Dayton in preparation for Detroit.
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: wh on February 11, 2013, 08:30:11 PM
Quote from: truth219 on February 11, 2013, 08:00:04 PM
We have the better team. I love how we think of excuses for reasons why we could lose rather than reasons why we should win.

Beginning with the Cory Johnson Brandon Wood led teams we have had several players whose "feelings" greatly influence how they perform.  I don't feel good about tomorrow at all after reading the Oren article.  Seems to be a lot of "bad karma" right now.
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: truth219 on February 11, 2013, 10:10:29 PM
I bet we come out and embarras them
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: truth219 on February 11, 2013, 10:12:39 PM
On a positive note, dority is playing tomorrow. That's from a good sorce
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: StlVUFan on February 12, 2013, 01:43:49 AM
Quote from: truth219 on February 11, 2013, 08:00:04 PM
We have the better team. I love how we think of excuses for reasons why we could lose rather than reasons why we should win.
If we only have 7 healthy bodies for some reason, that will prove to be an overly harsh assessment.  I saw mentions of reality.  You chose to interpret them as excuses.  I didn't read them that way.  I think you are projecting.

It's one thing to expect toughness.  It's another thing to act like they are super-human.

We will see tomorrow.  By the way, I'll believe Alex Rossi when I see him on the court.  Right now, I'm prepared to believe he's not playing.  If Dority plays, that may mean a lot.  If Coleman's not playing against CSU was merely because of the matchup that would be good too.  Maybe Bryce goes big and Fernandez plays with Capo/Van Wijk.  But if Dority and Kenney are both unavailable and something's wrong with Coleman, we are down to 7 healthy bodies, and that is a handicap.  I expect those 7 to play tough, but I don't expect miracles, for crying out loud.  WSU is going to know we are vulnerable, and they are going to attack.

One thing tomorrow night won't be is dull.
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: wh on February 12, 2013, 02:50:22 AM
Our swan dive of 2 years ago began about now with eerily similar circumstances - back injuries, sprains, recurring (and recurring, and recurring) flu, and road fatigue.  As much as Bryce refuses to think more than one game ahead, I wish he would refuse to talk about illness and injuries.   
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: historyman on February 12, 2013, 06:02:11 AM
Quote from: wh on February 12, 2013, 02:50:22 AM Our swan dive of 2 years ago began about now with eerily similar circumstances - back injuries, sprains, recurring (and recurring, and recurring) flu, and road fatigue.  As much as Bryce refuses to think more than one game ahead, I wish he would refuse to talk about illness and injuries.

I agree. Time to stop the talk of long bus rides and injuries. Just shut up about them. Billy Donlon isn't talking about long bus rides or injuries. Wright State had a long bus ride from Milwaukee back to Dayton Saturday night.
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: Big D on February 12, 2013, 06:24:30 AM
Quote from: historyman on February 12, 2013, 06:02:11 AM
Quote from: wh on February 12, 2013, 02:50:22 AMI agree. Time to stop the talk of long bus rides and injuries. Just shut up about them. Billy Donlon isn't talking about long bus rides or injuries. Wright State had a long bus ride from Milwaukee back to Dayton Saturday night.
Wright State flew back to Dayton from Milwaukee
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: vu72 on February 12, 2013, 10:22:18 AM
This article from this mornings Post-Trib indicates we may be getting more healthy. LaVonte is feeling "much better" as is Ryan.

http://posttrib.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/18168422-419/valpo-men-getting-close-to-horizon-league-crown.html (http://posttrib.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/18168422-419/valpo-men-getting-close-to-horizon-league-crown.html)
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: valporun on February 12, 2013, 10:43:23 AM
agibson, I don't think the day of classes is the reason for Valpo returning to campus late Saturday night, since they were leaving for Dayton yesterday morning. All I can think is getting the guys some rest in their own beds with meals either in their apartments or at the campus cafeterias again. Why spend so much money to sleep in hotel beds, which can be the most uncomfortable, just for convenience of being on the road and not sitting in cramped buses? In fact, if cramped buses are a major problem, why doesn't Bryce work on getting a fundrasing campaign put together to get a charter bus made for the basketball team to comfortably fit with the proper leg room, sitting heighth for our players to feel good over a 5-6 hour bus ride to Cleveland or Dayton and Green Bay?
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: Valpo89 on February 12, 2013, 10:44:48 AM
Quote from: wh on February 12, 2013, 02:50:22 AM
Our swan dive of 2 years ago began about now with eerily similar circumstances - back injuries, sprains, recurring (and recurring, and recurring) flu, and road fatigue.  As much as Bryce refuses to think more than one game ahead, I wish he would refuse to talk about illness and injuries.   
If Bryce didn't talk about his injuries, you guys would all be encouraging the "beat writers" to start asking health-related questions.
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: LaPorteAveApostle on February 12, 2013, 10:57:38 AM
Quote from: Valpo89 on February 12, 2013, 10:44:48 AMIf Bryce didn't talk about his injuries, you guys would all be encouraging the "beat writers" to start asking health-related questions.

+1
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: valpopal on February 12, 2013, 11:24:47 AM

Quote from: Valpo89 on February 12, 2013, 10:44:48 AMIf Bryce didn't talk about his injuries, you guys would all be encouraging the "beat writers" to start asking health-related questions.

Excellent point, Valpo89. I understand Dority, Kenney, and Rossi participated in a light practice today. I expect Dority and Kenney to give it a go at game time.
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: EddieCabot on February 12, 2013, 11:30:36 AM
Quote from: valporun on February 12, 2013, 10:43:23 AM
agibson, I don't think the day of classes is the reason for Valpo returning to campus late Saturday night, since they were leaving for Dayton yesterday morning. All I can think is getting the guys some rest in their own beds with meals either in their apartments or at the campus cafeterias again. Why spend so much money to sleep in hotel beds, which can be the most uncomfortable, just for convenience of being on the road and not sitting in cramped buses? In fact, if cramped buses are a major problem, why doesn't Bryce work on getting a fundrasing campaign put together to get a charter bus made for the basketball team to comfortably fit with the proper leg room, sitting heigth for our players to feel good over a 5-6 hour bus ride to Cleveland or Dayton and Green Bay?

I was just asking the question, since Bryce seemed to make a huge deal about all the bus time.  If it was really a big concern, seems like staying in Ohio would have been an option.  Maybe pgmado or chef can provide the rationale or tell us if staying in Ohio was ever considered?  I assume that Bryce makes that decision, but given all the comments about it, maybe he wanted to stay in Ohio and was overruled by the University?
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: wh on February 12, 2013, 11:43:19 AM
Quote from: EddieCabot on February 12, 2013, 11:30:36 AM
Quote from: valporun on February 12, 2013, 10:43:23 AM
agibson, I don't think the day of classes is the reason for Valpo returning to campus late Saturday night, since they were leaving for Dayton yesterday morning. All I can think is getting the guys some rest in their own beds with meals either in their apartments or at the campus cafeterias again. Why spend so much money to sleep in hotel beds, which can be the most uncomfortable, just for convenience of being on the road and not sitting in cramped buses? In fact, if cramped buses are a major problem, why doesn't Bryce work on getting a fundrasing campaign put together to get a charter bus made for the basketball team to comfortably fit with the proper leg room, sitting heigth for our players to feel good over a 5-6 hour bus ride to Cleveland or Dayton and Green Bay?

I was just asking the question, since Bryce seemed to make a huge deal about all the bus time.  If it was really a big concern, seems like staying in Ohio would have been an option.  Maybe pgmado or chef can provide the rationale or tell us if staying in Ohio was ever considered?  I assume that Bryce makes that decision, but given all the comments about it, maybe he wanted to stay in Ohio and was overruled by the University?


Talking about who's hurt and who's sick is not what bothers me.  It's this:

"We got guys with some injuries that were on the bus for 10 hours two days ago and then almost four and a half hours today," Drew said. "That's almost 15 hours. I think travel catches up with you at some point. When that point is, you never know."

That sounds an awful lot like getting your excuse ready.  Instead, how about something like:

"Everyone in the league has to deal with injuries and travel weariness.  The best teams find a way to fight through through those things.  We have an experienced team that has been through this before.  We'll be fine." 
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: covufan on February 12, 2013, 12:19:24 PM
This will be a tough game, but we hit the boards and FTs in the second half and prevail.

Valpo  -  74
WSU   -  69
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: LaPorteAveApostle on February 12, 2013, 12:50:43 PM
Quote from: sliman on February 11, 2013, 08:25:23 PMthe NCAA mandates that players have at least one day off per week while school is in session.  It's possible that Sunday was the day off which enables the team to practice all three days after returning from Dayton in preparation for Detroit.

eddie, if you'd read this above.  bryce is, like Homer, pretty serious about giving kids the Sabbath off...
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: bbtds on February 12, 2013, 02:02:27 PM
Quote from: Valpo89 on February 12, 2013, 10:44:48 AMIf Bryce didn't talk about his injuries, you guys would all be encouraging the "beat writers" to start asking health-related questions.

It's one thing to wonder why Rossi isn't playing at all and why and another thing to know about every ache and pain that seems to pre-set an excuse for losing.
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: EddieCabot on February 12, 2013, 02:35:22 PM
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 12, 2013, 12:50:43 PM
Quote from: sliman on February 11, 2013, 08:25:23 PMthe NCAA mandates that players have at least one day off per week while school is in session.  It's possible that Sunday was the day off which enables the team to practice all three days after returning from Dayton in preparation for Detroit.

eddie, if you'd read this above.  bryce is, like Homer, pretty serious about giving kids the Sabbath off...

I guess that could be why they drove back, but per Paul Oren's twitter feed yesterday, he seems to indicate they did practice a bit on Sunday.

"Paul Oren‏@NWIOren
Team didn't practice much Sunday and won't do much tonight either. Drew: "If we have to choose, we'll choose to have guys play. Like both""

I really don't care and you certainly know the program better than me.  Sounds like the travel was unavoidable.
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: truth219 on February 12, 2013, 05:35:28 PM
Espn has wsu by 1. Which I guess I could have seen coming. If we come out shooting like we've been we could win by 20.
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: crusadermoe on February 12, 2013, 06:55:10 PM
Valpo playing great suffocating D in first half.      Offense pretty mediocre with a few unforced turnovers.
We could have stepped on their throat and kept the lead when we were up at 11.   But in the last minute Buggs did some bizarre kind of move, pivoted, and threw it out of bounds.   Wright St came back with a rare 3 and now our lead at the half is 6.   

Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: truth219 on February 12, 2013, 06:55:56 PM
So far we look good. Glad to see kvw get it going. Gotta keep the bigs out of foul trouble. Ryan hasn't gotten much going but as a unit we look better than wsu.
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: oklahomamick on February 12, 2013, 07:16:32 PM
Ryan hasn't recieved any breathing room.  Glade we still up by 8 with 16 minutes to go.  I gave up a big mardi gras parade for this.  Go Valpo!
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: oklahomamick on February 12, 2013, 07:52:54 PM
Tight game.  Two of the best teams in HL going at it. 
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: agibson on February 12, 2013, 07:58:27 PM
Intense game.  Very physical.  Wright State doing better on offensive, winning one-on-one against KVW.  Going to be close.

Valpo not looking great at offensive - but I'd be happy with a gritty, road win.

You hate to blow a big lead.  But, this is a game we easily could have lost - coming into it.  And that we could easily lose now, late.

If we come away with it, I'll be happy.  Gotta hit the FT's.  (Great for both teams, so far.  Rowdy with one of our only misses.)
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: StlVUFan on February 12, 2013, 08:01:39 PM
16 turnovers is sub-optimal, but for the most part, this has been a very resilient performance, especially given the sub-par officiating (which both teams can complain about)
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: VULB#62 on February 12, 2013, 08:03:24 PM
 (From a football OG/ILB perspecive) WSU has to be given credit for denying the 3 .   Very nice win in a hostile environment (but aren't they all?).

Doesn't this give us a tie for the HL regular championship?

I also watched Rowdy throughout the second half.  He was in no rush to demand the ball.  He played within the system the whole way.  If I were  Koala I'd be plenty proud.
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: agibson on February 12, 2013, 08:03:43 PM
And that's why centers don't bring the ball up the court.
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: ValpoHoops on February 12, 2013, 08:05:15 PM
Not the prettiest, but it's a win, a road win, a conference win...that's all that really matters.
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: LaPorteAveApostle on February 12, 2013, 08:09:39 PM
Let's not overlook the fact that we never let them take the lead.

On the road. 

Against a contender.

That is impressive.  Even to my buddy Truth ;)
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: talksalot on February 12, 2013, 08:12:31 PM
Outstanding!  Great game from Kenney and KVW...Enjoy the bus ride home guys.... wake up tomorrow and it will be time for Major Rath to take on the Mini Rath...
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: agibson on February 12, 2013, 08:13:09 PM
Giving away a lead that big, it sure doesn't _feel_ like we led every step of the way.  But, a win on the road is a good win. 

Go Valpo!
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: VULB#62 on February 12, 2013, 08:17:19 PM
I also watched Rowdy throughout the second half.  He was in no rush to demand the ball.  He played within the system the whole way.  If I were  Koala I'd be plenty proud.

Unlike certain teams  northwest ol the motor city that would press the issue (heh, heh).

I like that Bryce and Rowdy don't ever feel that stats supersede team results.
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: vuweathernerd on February 12, 2013, 08:20:14 PM
Quote from: agibson on February 12, 2013, 08:03:43 PM
And that's why centers don't bring the ball up the court.

in kevin's defense, that was less of a palming than almost any pg is guilty of on any given possession.
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: agibson on February 12, 2013, 08:21:45 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on February 12, 2013, 08:03:24 PMDoesn't this give us a tie for the HL regular championship?

Now we're really getting ahead of ourselves!  I don't think we've even clinched a tournament home game yet.  We can clinch a share of the championship if we beat Detroit Saturday.  And, as Todd's explaining on the radio, we'd _almost_ certainly host the tournament. 

Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: vuweathernerd on February 12, 2013, 08:23:50 PM
Quote from: agibson on February 12, 2013, 08:21:45 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on February 12, 2013, 08:03:24 PMDoesn't this give us a tie for the HL regular championship?

Now we're really getting ahead of ourselves!  I don't think we've even clinched a tournament home game yet.  We can clinch a share of the championship if we beat Detroit Saturday.  And, as Todd's explaining on the radio, we'd _almost_ certainly host the tournament. 



per oren via twitter, if we win on saturday, all that's left is another win or a gb loss to clinch hosting the tourney.
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: VULB#62 on February 12, 2013, 08:24:29 PM
My bad.  I got caught up in the moment.
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: VULB#62 on February 12, 2013, 08:28:13 PM
But I must say, I really like the total unselfishness of this team.  There are 12 kids out there who will do anything to win and will share the vibes (60s term, sorry) equally.
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: VULB#62 on February 12, 2013, 08:35:12 PM
We are in the HL tournament.  Let's all of us pray [or whatever witches or medicine men or magicians  do (or whatever)] that our boys are totally healthy for the HL tournament wherever it is.
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: StlVUFan on February 12, 2013, 08:43:38 PM
Quote from: agibson on February 12, 2013, 08:21:45 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on February 12, 2013, 08:03:24 PMDoesn't this give us a tie for the HL regular championship?

Now we're really getting ahead of ourselves!  I don't think we've even clinched a tournament home game yet.  We can clinch a share of the championship if we beat Detroit Saturday.  And, as Todd's explaining on the radio, we'd _almost_ certainly host the tournament. 


Actually, we have clinched either a home game or a bye (or both).  CSU, Loyola, and Milwaukee all have more than 6 losses, which is Valpo's max.
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: agibson on February 12, 2013, 08:50:33 PM
Quote from: StlVUFan on February 12, 2013, 08:43:38 PMActually, we have clinched either a home game or a bye (or both).  CSU, Loyola, and Milwaukee all have more than 6 losses, which is Valpo's max.

Ah, right, sorry.  I forgot that only three teams plan in first-round road games now.  Maybe just clinched it tonight, when Cleveland State lost?  (Or did we win first?)
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: wh on February 12, 2013, 08:55:56 PM
Gotta give Pacher credit.  He was a load tonight.  Conversely, I thought we did a great job on Darling, who ate us up in Game-1.
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: valpotx on February 12, 2013, 09:10:10 PM
Good win, and glad to see KVW light it up and banging down low.  I am impressed with Buggs' turnaround from the first 1/4 of the season.  You don't see teams sagging off him as much anymore, because he has shown the ability to do spin moves, take an occasional 3, and otherwise draw defenders out of the lane for others to capitalize on.  Even with Rowdy struggling a bit from outside, it was good to see a total team effort to gut one out.

Now on to the trashiest team in the league!!
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: VULB#62 on February 12, 2013, 09:46:59 PM
Quote from: valpotx on February 12, 2013, 09:10:10 PM
Even with Rowdy struggling a bit from outside, it was good to see a total team effort to gut one out.

Now on to the trashiest team in the league!!

Rowdy wasn't struggling.  They just defended him well outside the arc.  So what.  To Rowdy's credit he saw that and that just opened opportunities for his mates. This is a very unselfish team.  And this will be the stuff that will result in a championship.  This is a great group of kids.
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: valpopal on February 12, 2013, 10:34:31 PM
Quote from: valpopal on February 12, 2013, 11:24:47 AMI understand Dority, Kenney, and Rossi participated in a light practice today. I expect Dority and Kenney to give it a go at game time.

Amazing how well Matt played considering he is not 100%. Dority showed obvious signs of a bad ankle, limping and a step slow. I hope he can heal by the weekend. Given Dority's lack of playing time, I wonder why Coleman didn't even step on the court.

Before the game, the WSU coach said his goal was to try to stop Rowdy and the 3-point shot by double-teaming but sacrifice inside points by Kevin. His plan seemed to work, but not well enough.

I was impressed by the team's free throw shooting, which made a big difference in keeping the lead in the second half when they were 13-14. Finally, another great game by Kevin, 20 points and 9 rebounds in only 24 minutes.
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: crusadermoe on February 13, 2013, 06:20:36 AM
Must agree KVW was excellent.    He is so good at finishing his moves with points.
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: valpotx on February 13, 2013, 09:48:50 AM
Yes, he has improved quite a bit since the beginning of the year in regards to finishing around the basket in traffic.  You can tell that he has more determination to go into contact, rather than away from it.  Bobby has actually shown the same improvement, and no longer throws the ball as hard as he can at the backboard when being contested.  We have a really dangerous team when all players are healthy, and I don't see any 3/4 seed wanting to be slotted against us, similar to 2001-2002 when Dickie V/etc were picking us as the toughest matchup.  Hopefully we live up to that billing this time  :)
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: agibson on February 13, 2013, 10:27:01 AM
It's great to see how well both KVW and Bobby are finishing around the rim.  KVW even does very well finishing through a double team.  It sort of spoils me into thinking those shots are just automatic.

So much so that I cringe when the shots get a little more difficult, e.g. when it's a point blank shot in thick traffic after an offensive rebound.  I'm always thinking "Don't do it!  Pass it out!".  But, probably they're still very high percentage shots.  No longer 80%, but probably still better than the 40-50% chance that they'd get by resetting the offense.
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: wh on February 13, 2013, 04:25:46 PM
It seems like the choice for Coach of the Year always comes down the coach with the best team vs. the coach of the team that performs beyond expectations.  Bryce certainly deserves points for the best job of recruiting in the league, and for blending high profile transfers with our veterans to form a cohesive, winning team.  He is also an excellent game coach, even with his limited experience.  That said, what WSU has done this year under Donlon is nothing short of remarkable.  They were picked to finish dead last in the conference, and here they were last night in a battle to stay in contention for the conference championship. 

At the risk of drawing the ire of the Crusader brotherhood, if the vote were held today I think I would have to go with Donlon, with Bryce a close second.  Of course, that could change if WSU were to tank between now and end of conf. play, but I highly doubt they will.  Anyway you slice it, the Horizon League is fortunate to have these 2 excellent young coaches.
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: agibson on February 13, 2013, 04:33:40 PM
Pretty fair points.  Compared to the preseason poll (http://www.horizonleague.org/blog/valparaiso-chosen-horizon-league-favorite-detroits-mccallum-repeats-as-preseason-player-of-the-year.html (http://www.horizonleague.org/blog/valparaiso-chosen-horizon-league-favorite-detroits-mccallum-repeats-as-preseason-player-of-the-year.html)) Milwaukee's underperformed a little, but the only really big surprise has been Wright State.
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: agibson on February 13, 2013, 04:35:17 PM
Looking at that link, I noticed for the first time I a typo they had in the pre-season first team.  They had KVW listed with 5.2 _a_pg last year.  Wouldn't _that_ have been a surprise!  Inside-out game indeed!
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: StlVUFan on February 14, 2013, 12:02:07 AM
Quote from: vuweathernerd on February 12, 2013, 08:23:50 PMper oren via twitter, if we win on saturday, all that's left is another win or a gb loss to clinch hosting the tourney.

I think I can embellish a little.  A win on Saturday clinches a double-bye, and leaves only one scenario for not hosting:

1.  Valpo loses to YSU, Loyola, and GB
2.  GB beats CSU, YSU, and Milwaukee
3.  Detroit loses to Loyola and UIC
4.  WSU loses to CSU, UIC, and YSU
5.  UIC loses to Loyola and Milwaukee

This would lead to:

1.  Green Bay 11-5
2.  Valpo       11-5
3.  Detroit       9-7
4.  YSU          9-7
5.  UIC           8-8
6.  WSU          8-8

GB's record against Detroit/YSU would be 3-1, Valpo's would be 2-2.  Detroit swept YSU and would get the single bye (I really hate that idea).  UIC swept WSU to break the tie for 5th.

That's one scenario out of 8192, assuming I didn't miss anything.  If UIC or WSU finishes 9-7 or higher, it wreaks it for GB since both beat GB at least once.  If Detroit or WSU finishes 10-6 or 11-5, that also wreaks it for GB.  Detroit split with GB, and WSU swept them.

The beauty of GB tying us at 11-5 is that YSU can't be in 3rd place all by themselves, which was the other way that GB could get the 1 seed.

And with that, I'm off to the races for another year...   #NerdAlert
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: chef on February 14, 2013, 01:25:57 AM
Jim...Thanks for doing my homework. I will have this post in front of me during the pregame.
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: bbtds on February 14, 2013, 02:22:30 AM
Quote from: StlVUFan on February 14, 2013, 12:02:07 AMIf UIC or WSU finishes 9-7 or higher, it wreaks it for GB since both beat GB at least once.  If Detroit or WSU finishes 10-6 or 11-5, that also wreaks it for GB.  Detroit split with GB, and WSU swept them.

I think your spelling wreaks.

Now if you were in a spelling bee some people might call it a car wreck waiting to happen.   ;D
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: letsgovu on February 14, 2013, 07:06:23 AM
Quote from: bbtds on February 14, 2013, 02:22:30 AMQuote from: StlVUFan on Today at 12:02:07 AM
If UIC or WSU finishes 9-7 or higher, it wreaks it for GB since both beat GB at least once.  If Detroit or WSU finishes 10-6 or 11-5, that also wreaks it for GB.  Detroit split with GB, and WSU swept them.

I think your spelling wreaks.

Now if you were in a spelling bee some people might call it a car wreck waiting to happen.

I believe stl was using that slang that all the cool kids are using these days.  "wreaks" is slang for wreaking havoc.  "That volcano eruption totally wreaks!"
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: StlVUFan on February 14, 2013, 09:45:32 AM
Quote from: letsgovu on February 14, 2013, 07:06:23 AM
Quote from: bbtds on February 14, 2013, 02:22:30 AMQuote from: StlVUFan on Today at 12:02:07 AM
If UIC or WSU finishes 9-7 or higher, it wreaks it for GB since both beat GB at least once.  If Detroit or WSU finishes 10-6 or 11-5, that also wreaks it for GB.  Detroit split with GB, and WSU swept them.

I think your spelling wreaks.

Now if you were in a spelling bee some people might call it a car wreck waiting to happen.

I believe stl was using that slang that all the cool kids are using these days.  "wreaks" is slang for wreaking havoc.  "That volcano eruption totally wreaks!"

Thanks for the backup  ;) but I did mean wreck, now that I think about it.
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: covufan on February 14, 2013, 12:49:02 PM
Quote from: chef on February 14, 2013, 01:25:57 AM
Jim...Thanks for doing my homework. I will have this post in front of me during the pregame.
Will we hear "from our statistician emeritus in St. Louis"
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: agibson on February 14, 2013, 04:35:41 PM
Quote from: covufan on February 14, 2013, 12:49:02 PM
Quote from: chef on February 14, 2013, 01:25:57 AM
Jim...Thanks for doing my homework. I will have this post in front of me during the pregame.
Will we hear "from our statistician emeritus in St. Louis"

Nah, he's got to totally geek out and mention the message board.  Maybe by name.  Maybe with URL!

Couldn't hurt our numbers here.

On a similar note, I was surprised recently to hear about a couple of reasonably serious VU fans, also reasonably tech savy, that didn't know HLN streamed the games.
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: StlVUFan on February 14, 2013, 07:20:59 PM
Quote from: covufan on February 14, 2013, 12:49:02 PM
Quote from: chef on February 14, 2013, 01:25:57 AM
Jim...Thanks for doing my homework. I will have this post in front of me during the pregame.
Will we hear "from our statistician emeritus in St. Louis"
Not necessary, but wouldn't be opposed ;)
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: vusupporter on February 14, 2013, 09:11:48 PM
Wouldn't a UIC-YSU tie for third produce the same result?  GB 3-1 vs. the combo, while Valpo is 2-2?
Title: Re: 2/12/13 VU @WSU game thread
Post by: StlVUFan on February 14, 2013, 09:56:19 PM
Quote from: vusupporter on February 14, 2013, 09:11:48 PM
Wouldn't a UIC-YSU tie for third produce the same result?  GB 3-1 vs. the combo, while Valpo is 2-2?
There is no such 2-way tie for 3rd unless it involves Detroit, who already has 9 wins.  And Detroit split with GB while Valpo would have swept Detroit.