Valparaiso
Record: 11-9, 3-2 Horizon
RPI: 208 (link) (http://www.rpiforecast.com/teams/Valparaiso.html)
Youngstown St
Record: 12-8, 3-2 Horizon
RPI: 142 (link) (http://www.rpiforecast.com/teams/Youngstown%20St..html)
Horizon League Network Link: http://www.horizonleague.org/live/9685 (http://www.horizonleague.org/live/9685)
ESPN Link: http://espn.go.com/ncb/preview?gameId=400507123 (http://espn.go.com/ncb/preview?gameId=400507123)
Valpo Athletics Link complete with horrible layout/hashtags: http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2013-14/13304/crusa.../ (http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2013-14/13304/crusaders-kick-off-ohio-road-trip-at-ysu-thursday/)
Enemy Thread: http://ysupenguins.com/forum/index.php/topic,8763.0.html (http://ysupenguins.com/forum/index.php/topic,8763.0.html)
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Also, important development: Bobby Capobianco is NOT a thug! (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/here-s-why-seahawks--richard-sherman-was-right-in-taking-offense-to-being-called-a-thug-233112814-nfl.html)
Weird atmosphere at YSU. Small HS gym....generally apathetic crowd unless YSU gets a lead and holds it for a while.
we will have to start strong. Perry will be a wild card.
Unfortunately:
YSU 74
Valpo 69
Their attendance is the lowest in league at 1674. Should be a fun crowd.
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The Beeghly Center has not been kind to Bryce. Beeghly and the O'Rena are the only barns in the league that he's yet to get a W. By my count he's only lost 5 HL road games since taking over (@WSU, @UWGB, & @YSU in 11-12, @YSU in 12-13, & @OU this year). Even in Homer's last year against a very bad (2-16 in the league) YSU team we had to battle back late just to force OT before eventually winning.
Considering this team's road woes, past troubles at Beeghly, YSU's recent hot streak, and Kendrick Perry I fear this one might get ugly. I'm taking YSU by double-figures 75-62.
Hate to get off subject and I apologize. I didn't realize our rpi was 204. Made me wonder what was the program's wors rpi and the programs best rpi.
Hopefully we continue to build on the progress made in the last couple games. If we get double digit scoring from Alec and a positive contribution from KC off the bench, I think we win in a close one.
Valpo 76
YSU 73
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 23, 2014, 11:19:29 AM
Hate to get off subject and I apologize. I didn't realize our rpi was 204. Made me wonder what was the program's wors rpi and the programs best rpi.
Our best was ever last year (58). This of course, doesn't include 1924 (http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/seasons/1924-standings.html).
Our worst in the Horizon was 2008-09 when we finished 9-22... our RPI was 260. The worst recorded RPI in the MidCon was 1991-92 where we were 5-22 with an RPI of 286, but the 4-24 1989-90 and 5-22 1990-91 seasons were presumably worse... the NCAA didn't start keeping RPI archives until 1991. I think I found a random 1986 RPI listing once, but it's impossible to find RPI data for anything prior to 1991.
YSU is my least favorite place to go to watch Valpo. The gym is a dump. The fans are snarly. The refs are usually terrible. Finding the gym/parking is always tough in the cold, snowy winter (although parking has been better past 2 years). And, crazy stuff happens there. But, we will load in the car and be there tonight. Say hey if you're there. Every game we've been to has been close. Even when Bryce played we struggled there. I believe it was '98, Bryce came around a Tony V pick and the ref called a Mid-Con/HL moving pick right by the bench. We all exploded. We managed to escape 70-68 with Bryce scoring 25. But, on the positive side, the Igloo does have Mr and Mrs Penguin and a decent pep band, so they got that.
I think we win this one, 69-65.
Paul
Quote from: a3uge on January 23, 2014, 11:59:58 AMOur best was ever last year (58). This of course, doesn't include 1924.
What about the year we went to the sweet 16? We should have had a better rpi ranking than 58.
I don't see us winning at YSU with Perry still playing:
Valpo 66
YSU 74
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 23, 2014, 02:37:49 PM
Quote from: a3uge on January 23, 2014, 11:59:58 AMOur best was ever last year (58). This of course, doesn't include 1924.
What about the year we went to the sweet 16? We should have had a better rpi ranking than 58.
Nope, it was actually better the year before in the 96-97 season (65) than the 97-98 season (83)
Keep in mind the SOS was a lot worse in the MidCon.
For reference:
Year W L RPI
1991-1992 5 22 286
1992-1993 12 16 215
1993-1994 19 8 118
1994-1995 18 8 115
1995-1996 19 10 129
1996-1997 22 6 65
1997-1998 18 8 83
1998-1999 17 8 134
1999-2000 16 12 193
2000-2001 24 8 117
2001-2002 24 7 91
2002-2003 20 10 107
2003-2004 17 12 154
2004-2005 15 16 181
2005-2006 16 12 206
2006-2007 16 15 162
2007-2008 22 14 104
2008-2009 9 22 259
2009-2010 15 17 178
2010-2011 23 12 84
2011-2012 22 12 103
2012-2013 26 8 58
If anyone has RPI data in the 80's, that would be wonderful. It doesn't exist on the internet.
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 23, 2014, 02:37:49 PMQuote from: a3uge on January 23, 2014, 11:59:58 AMOur best was ever last year (58). This of course, doesn't include 1924.
What about the year we went to the sweet 16? We should have had a better rpi ranking than 58.
We were 83rd that year. The MidCon was atrocious and our schedule wasn't exactly littered with high ranking teams.
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 23, 2014, 11:19:29 AMMade me wonder what was the program's wors rpi and the programs best rpi.
Man, I did a whole thing on this. Swear I started a topic and everything. Can't find it now. ERP. Oh well, my alter ego is on it. Thanks.
Quote from: Dave_2010 on January 23, 2014, 11:17:12 AMThe Beeghly Center has not been kind to Bryce.
Apu voice: YOU CAN SAY THAT TWO TIMES MY FRIEND
Quote from: 78crusader on January 23, 2014, 02:18:54 PMI think we win this one, 69-65.
Paul
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Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on January 23, 2014, 04:16:17 PM
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 23, 2014, 11:19:29 AMMade me wonder what was the program's wors rpi and the programs best rpi.
Man, I did a whole thing on this. Swear I started a topic and everything. Can't find it now. ERP. Oh well, my alter ego is on it. Thanks.
Quote from: Dave_2010 on January 23, 2014, 11:17:12 AMThe Beeghly Center has not been kind to Bryce.
Apu voice: YOU CAN SAY THAT TWO TIMES MY FRIEND
Quote from: 78crusader on January 23, 2014, 02:18:54 PMI think we win this one, 69-65.
Paul
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:rotfl:
I think this game will be a good measure of Carter's defensive abilities. Perry is the best player in the league. If we can keep him under 20 points and 5 assists we win. If Carter can't handle Perry than we probably lose.
Quote from: classof2014 on January 23, 2014, 04:54:46 PMI think this game will be a good measure of Carter's defensive abilities. Perry is the best player in the league. If we can keep him under 20 points and 5 assists we win. If Carter can't handle Perry than we probably lose.
I think Dority guards Perry 85% of the time tonight.
Dority picked up 4th foul. For some reason Yeo is now guarding Perry.....
Come On...Moussa... HIT THESE! 24 seconds...
Thank you!
Great Road Win...74-41...CLUTCH free throw shooting when we need it... and well played with all of those fouls...
ALWAYS good to get a win at the Beeg! Very important road win and hopefully some swagger headed into the weekend.
First win there in 3 years after 2 hideous losses. Remember that one?
http://espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=310362754 (http://espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=310362754)
B-Wood for 31 in an OT thriller. Kendrick Perry with another clutch shot at the end to force OT. (He's now a 7th year senior I believe : )
Great production from everyone--we got 75 bench minutes (37.5% of team minutes) and YSU only 31 (15.%%). Bodes well for Saturday!
Big win. I actually posted good conference road win, but Perry hit a crazy 3 with 10 seconds left. I quickly deleted the post...
(http://www.quickmeme.com/img/45/458fb876aa4bb936ebe8300b579a8e881aa28d62a71dffdeaac65e62c8da1312.jpg)
I'll write more later but this is a good road win. ...
Bryce Drew all night be like:
(http://cdn2.sportngin.com/attachments/photo/1335/1162/line_change_medium.jpg)
But our tube men be all like:
(http://imageshack.com/a/img593/9262/t0cv.png)
But then Capobianco be like:
(http://images.socialnewsdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Richard-Sherman.jpg)
Good win. Thank god Dority showed up and Gueye is unfathomably good at free throws.
Great win they played tough down the stretch. We are in 3ed place in the HL. Peters looks to be coming around. :thumbsup:
LaVonte is really at the top of his game. Another great stat line and he outworked everyone on the court. He also received a nice compliment from Coach Slocum, who said in the post game press conference, "The Dority kid willed them to the win."
Which Valpo player was having the heated discussion with Coach Slocum and had to be pulled away from the YSU bench area? Was that Carter Jr?
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that this was the first game we trailed at some point under 2 minutes and won the game. It seemed that the painful early season losses where we couldn't close out a game played off. We never panicked and played with poise and hit our FTs towards the end.
LVD has been unconscious over the past couple of games. If it wasn't for foul trouble he would've been in the mid 30s in scoring if not more. If he keeps up this level of play he is a definite candidate for HL PoY. Without LVD we would've definitely lost tonight.
When will Bryce finally sit Peters?????? Oh, wait....
Quote from: historyman on January 23, 2014, 09:51:34 PM
Which Valpo player was having the heated discussion with Coach Slocum and had to be pulled away from the YSU bench area? Was that Carter Jr?
Though I didn't notice Slocum's involvement, I did see that incident as well; but it looked to me like Adekoya was the one being pulled away from the YSU bench by Carter to prevent a technical foul.
Quote from: a3uge on January 23, 2014, 09:12:09 PM
Bryce Drew all night be like:
(http://cdn2.sportngin.com/attachments/photo/1335/1162/line_change_medium.jpg)
Haha recognize these teams. Andover at Centennial girls hockey, Circle Pines, Minnesota.
Anyway, very encouraging to know we can win a close game on the road with foul trouble. Remember, it's been a few years since we won at Beeghly. Also did a good job of limiting KP, and not letting him take over down the stretch. Big game Saturday now, can really prove we're for real. Let's hope Dority keeps this up. He outplayed the (preseason) conf MVP today.
Carter exchanged words with Perry, and Dority pulled him away.
Quote from: a3uge on January 23, 2014, 09:12:09 PMBut our tube men be all like:
I seriously love you, bro. You've been on fire lately posting.
(http://higherunlearning.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/bro-hug.jpg%3Fw%3D648)
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 23, 2014, 11:19:29 AMMade me wonder what was the program's wors rpi and the programs best rpi.
EUREKA!!!
http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1283.0 (http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1283.0)
Perry initiated it by shoving Carter in front of YSU bench after a whistle for a TO. Carter was like "bro why the shove?" our guys came over to assist Carter back to the bench but a couple of YSU's coaches were getting feisty. Remember the answer is "it's Youngstown." why is that a foul? It's Youngstown. Why is it not a foul (same type of action) - it's Youngstown. ... At that point in game, maybe Chef has exact, Perry had 7 or 9, we had gone on run to take lead and YsU was clearly frustrated. And Coach Slocum w the coaching error at end. Pulled perry on D because he didn't want him picking up 5, but team fouls before clock started and Perry couldnt re-enter. Now had he still been allowed to enter by the Olympic level international officials who worked the (72 gold medal game), the answer would be....
post game interview. ..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G0cUfMV9H8&feature=youtube_gdata_player (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G0cUfMV9H8&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
Also - i think Slocum trying to sub and calling refs over should be a delay of game. I have seen this in a game as a way to ice a free throw shooter when a team was out of time-outs.
One more thing. I do not understand when a team can get the foul called before the clock even starts. At the end of a game why not just walk over push a guy down so that you don't lose any clock? It seems like a huge advantage to the team that is trying to catch up.
Quote from: valpo84 on January 24, 2014, 07:27:31 AMPerry initiated it by shoving Carter in front of YSU bench after a whistle for a TO. Carter was like "bro why the shove?" our guys came over to assist Carter back to the bench but a couple of YSU's coaches were getting feisty.
What time of the game was this?
Quote from: ARCInsider on January 23, 2014, 10:16:28 PMWhen will Bryce finally sit Peters?????? Oh, wait....
Well..... he did go 4-10 (1-7 3pt). On the positive side, only 1 turnover and 7 rebs.
Quote from: classof2014 on January 23, 2014, 10:04:17 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that this was the first game we trailed at some point under 2 minutes and won the game. It seemed that the painful early season losses where we couldn't close out a game played off. We never panicked and played with poise and hit our FTs towards the end.
LVD has been unconscious over the past couple of games. If it wasn't for foul trouble he would've been in the mid 30s in scoring if not more. If he keeps up this level of play he is a definite candidate for HL PoY. Without LVD we would've definitely lost tonight.
A candidate, yes, and definite 1st teamer as well, but Sykes would have to be the POY frontrunner right now. Also, who would Dority replace from the pre-season 1st team? The obvious answer is Travis Bader of Oakland, who based on his conference-only numbers probably wouldn't get any votes for either 1st or 2nd team.
Skyles is a good pick. His teammate Brown has a good case as well.
Perhaps the most revealing stat of the game: Valpo committed 11 turnovers in the first half and only 3 in the second half. This team shoots well enough and rebounds well enough to win many games, but the main weakness that has prevented some wins and a better record has consistently been turnovers.
Quote from: wh on January 24, 2014, 10:11:05 AM
Quote from: classof2014 on January 23, 2014, 10:04:17 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that this was the first game we trailed at some point under 2 minutes and won the game. It seemed that the painful early season losses where we couldn't close out a game played off. We never panicked and played with poise and hit our FTs towards the end.
LVD has been unconscious over the past couple of games. If it wasn't for foul trouble he would've been in the mid 30s in scoring if not more. If he keeps up this level of play he is a definite candidate for HL PoY. Without LVD we would've definitely lost tonight.
A candidate, yes, and definite 1st teamer as well, but Sykes would have to be the POY frontrunner right now. Also, who would Dority replace from the pre-season 1st team? The obvious answer is Travis Bader of Oakland, who based on his conference-only numbers probably wouldn't get any votes for either 1st or 2nd team.
Cole Darling has been terrible this year. The only the he's doing well is fouling (5 foul outs, 3.4 per game) and shooting free throws (82%). It would be a travesty if he makes the 1st or 2nd team. Even in conference he's fouled out twice already and is averaging under 10 ppg, under 5 rpg, and he ONLY HAS 1 ASSIST IN SEVEN GAMES!
Sykes definitely. Probably the POY.
Kendrick Perry will lead the league in PPG, so it'd be impossible for him to miss the 1st team.
Brown is a lock... the big difference this year is he's finally able to rim protector instead of an AND-1 creator. His blocks have increased from 1.7 to an amazing 3.3 per game and fouls went from 2.94 to 2.26. His outside shooting is what's going to make him intriguing in the NBA, but his physique (despite being 7'1) is going to limit him to being a D-league player/DNP generator. He's way too thin and doesn't have the athleticism to make up for it. Imagine Brown trying to gain position against Drummond or Howard...
I think LaVonte Dority at this time is a no brainer... he's top 5 in PPG and Points per 40. He gets to the line as well as anyone, and is 2nd in 3pt %. I do wish his A/TO rate would go up, and I've suggested many times that he'd look to kick to the perimeter when he's driving instead of always throwing up a wild shot. This is where most of his turnovers happen. He turns the ball over at 2.3 per game, but leads Valpo in assists at 2.5 per game.
Then you have 1 more spot, which seems open to JH Jr, Bader, or Forbes. I would lean Forbes and 2nd team would be... JH Jr, Bader, Grady, Felder ?, Tiby ?, and maybe Peters? Fouse is kind of sucking. Jordan Aaron should NOT have been on the preseason list. Barlow and Belin probably won't make the 2nd team either.
For reference: http://hln.s3.amazonaws.com/medias/files/301/original.pdf?1381872826 (http://hln.s3.amazonaws.com/medias/files/301/original.pdf?1381872826)
I think a lot depends on who finishes where in the standings. If Valpo finishes first chances are LVD is PoY, if GB does I would give the award to Sykes over Brown. Perry still has a shot, if he finishes the season strong but his biggest downfall is playing on a poor YSU team, without Perry they'd be back to the basement.
My first team
Sykes PoY
Brown
Dority
Perry
Tiby
My 2nd team
Howard
Forbes
Barlow
Mondy
Bader
FoY
Lexus
I'm guess PoY will be to Brown, Sykes, or Dority at this moment in the season. Like I said before it depends on who finished where at the end of the year. If GB doesn't finish first then I don't think Sykes or Brown gets the award.
Quote from: classof2014 on January 24, 2014, 12:55:42 PM
I think a lot depends on who finishes where in the standings. If Valpo finishes first chances are LVD is PoY, if GB does I would give the award to Sykes over Brown. Perry still has a shot, if he finishes the season strong but his biggest downfall is playing on a poor YSU team, without Perry they'd be back to the basement.
My first team
Sykes PoY
Brown
Dority
Perry
Tiby
My 2nd team
Howard
Forbes
Barlow
Mondy
Bader
FoY
Lexus
I'm guess PoY will be to Brown, Sykes, or Dority at this moment in the season. Like I said before it depends on who finished where at the end of the year. If GB doesn't finish first then I don't think Sykes or Brown gets the award.
I sure don't think Tiby is First Team or even Second Team. Petros is having a better year as he is 9th in scoring and first in rebounding versus Tiby's 10th and 4th. Sykes looks like a current lock for POY as he is 2nd in scoring and 1st in assts.
I'd go with
First Team
Sykes POY
Brown
Perry
Dority
Petros
I'm in agreement on the second team.
Too bad we didn't sign Corey, then our inside-outside duo could get the celebrity couple name "DoritOs"
Quote from: classof2014 on January 24, 2014, 12:55:42 PMI'm guess PoY will be to Brown, Sykes, or Dority at this moment in the season. Like I said before it depends on who finished where at the end of the year. If GB doesn't finish first then I don't think Sykes or Brown gets the award.
I don't think Lexus Williams will be in position for Newcomer of the Year now that Carter is back. Lexus isn't a good enough PG at this point to justify the award without a high ppg total. He's scored 2 points in a couple of games so far, and has a bad assist to turnover ratio. I do think Peters and Matt Tiby are the front runners for the award because I can't think of anyone else.
Dority has no chance as PoTY not because Valpo won't win the Horizon, but because there's certainly better players. Valpo won the HL easily last year, and Ray Jr was named the PoTY.
Is it Newcomer or Freshman of the Year. If its Newcomer then guys like Barlow are certainly in the mix
Corey Petros is a good center, but I brushed him aside for the first team since Brown was already there and it'd be weird to include two centers. Not sure it actually works that way. He's definitely 2nd team worthy. Tiby is a forward and Milwaukee's best scorer. I'd be surprised if they didn't throw in a Milwaukee player simply as a "congratulations, you're no longer one of the worst teams in HL history" award.
I really think that Tiby deserves the 1st team. He's been instrumental to their success and has been their key player this season. He's hard to stop and from when I've seen from him he is deserving of being placed on the 1st team. Petros is not the key guy on Oakland, he's a good center, perhaps will be on the 2nd team.
As of now I think Sykes has a 70% chance of getting PoY, Brown 20%, and LVD 10%. If LVD averages 20+ the rest of the way (which I doubt) will happen he has a decent shot at winning it, that is if Sykes and Brown have a few lackluster performances or if GB falls apart. Same goes for Valpo, if we fall apart Dority isn't the PoY.
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 24, 2014, 07:55:19 AMQuote from: ARCInsider on January 23, 2014, 10:16:28 PMWhen will Bryce finally sit Peters? ??? ?? Oh, wait....
Well..... he did go 4-10 (1-7 3pt). On the positive side, only 1 turnover and 7 rebs.
I believe Peters is earning his playing time again. After the Detroit game I was wondering (all my posting was in questions) why Peters was playing 25 minutes when he contributed only 1 rebound, had multiple turnovers and scored no points. At the same time Carter scored no points had 3 rebounds and also had turnovers and only played 8 minutes. One of the answers was that Jordan Coleman was injured and Peters had to play more.
After the YSU game the only thing that Peters has not been able to do is hit his three point shots. I believe that will come. For the Milw game Alec only shot one three. I was really afraid he was losing confidence in his ability to hit shots. Since he put up 7 three pointers against YSU, even though he made only one, I have much greater belief that Alec will break out of his slump by putting up the shots and at some time he will start to make them in greater numbers.
Quote from: a3uge on January 23, 2014, 11:59:58 AM
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 23, 2014, 11:19:29 AM
Hate to get off subject and I apologize. I didn't realize our rpi was 204. Made me wonder what was the program's wors rpi and the programs best rpi.
Our best was ever last year (58). This of course, doesn't include 1924 (http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/seasons/1924-standings.html).
Our worst in the Horizon was 2008-09 when we finished 9-22... our RPI was 260. The worst recorded RPI in the MidCon was 1991-92 where we were 5-22 with an RPI of 286, but the 4-24 1989-90 and 5-22 1990-91 seasons were presumably worse... the NCAA didn't start keeping RPI archives until 1991. I think I found a random 1986 RPI listing once, but it's impossible to find RPI data for anything prior to 1991.
Chicsgo st currently has a better rpi than valpo.
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 24, 2014, 09:47:52 PM
Quote from: a3uge on January 23, 2014, 11:59:58 AM
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 23, 2014, 11:19:29 AM
Hate to get off subject and I apologize. I didn't realize our rpi was 204. Made me wonder what was the program's wors rpi and the programs best rpi.
Our best was ever last year (58). This of course, doesn't include 1924 (http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/seasons/1924-standings.html).
Our worst in the Horizon was 2008-09 when we finished 9-22... our RPI was 260. The worst recorded RPI in the MidCon was 1991-92 where we were 5-22 with an RPI of 286, but the 4-24 1989-90 and 5-22 1990-91 seasons were presumably worse... the NCAA didn't start keeping RPI archives until 1991. I think I found a random 1986 RPI listing once, but it's impossible to find RPI data for anything prior to 1991.
Chicsgo st currently has a better rpi than valpo.
http://www.rpiforecast.com/teams/Chicago%20St..html
Enjoy it now because they'll be +200 in a couple weeks. Their RPI is higher purely based on playing better schools.
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