As I'm sure most everyone recalls, Alec began his Freshman year with some strong OOC performances, struggled in the 1st half of conference play, then found his sea legs and finished the season strong. Here's his stats over the final 7 games:
34.0 MPG
16.3 PPG
42-68 FG (62%)
16-21 FT (76%)
14-30 3PT (47%)
5.0 RPG
1.3 TOPG
2.0 FPG
There's every reason to think he's only going to get better from here. I'm thinking 18-20 PPG with even better FT and rebounding numbers, as well. And remember - he didn't turn 19 until April (after the season was over). With a little more age and a little more experience - look out.
Thoughts?
He has looked unbelievable in open gym. He's a legit 6'9, and looks quicker. He's such an incredibly hard worker, he's only going to get better and better. I think 18-20 ppg is a reasonable prediction, and I would not have thought that a few months ago.
Hopefully his stats will be held down by contributions from Nickerson, a healthy Chadwick and offensive improvements from Fernadez and Adekoya.
If you're going to dream, go big:
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=alec-peters&doug-mcdermott=2010-2011&p1=doug-mcdermott (http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=alec-peters&doug-mcdermott=2010-2011&p1=doug-mcdermott)
Initially I laughed, but, you know, comparing apples to apples it's not too far off!
Might have a couple separate things on the Over/Under this year--Alec Peters' improvement might be a good one to ask opinions on too!
The difference could be as smple as the supporting staff. Ultimately McDermott wouldn't have garnered the national attention had Creighton lost in the first round. Roudy was the best in our conference but didn't get past the first round. IF, and it is a big IF, Alec does continue to improve and get to an NBA level, can the supporting team get him noticed via wins in the NCAAs??i
Quote from: chef on August 31, 2014, 09:50:06 AM
He has looked unbelievable in open gym. He's a legit 6'9, and looks quicker. He's such an incredibly hard worker, he's only going to get better and better. I think 18-20 ppg is a reasonable prediction, and I would not have thought that a few months ago.
All of that sounds just great! So just as long as you as you can refrain from calling him a special talent I will be hopeful that he can avoid the sophomore jinx. Speaking of someone with "special talent" is there any indication that the galactic alien abductors have returned the real Keith Carter back to planet Earth and the VU campus? ;)
From the P.T. at today's H.L. Media Day:
Peters averaged 12.7 points and 4.8 rebounds last season for the Crusaders, making the All-Freshman team, and seems poised to make significant strides this season.
"He's a much better player than he was at the end of last year," Valparaiso coach Bryce Drew said.
"He's much quicker this year. He's improved his shooting — and he was a good shooter last year. He's improved his ballhandling. He's improved his defense. The first couple weeks, he's shown all of that improvement in practice."
As a freshman he shot 49% from the field and 39% from 3. And he's improved his shooting? He's quicker? He's a better ball handler? He's better defensively?
Get ready my friends!
Quote from: wh on October 15, 2014, 10:11:18 PM
From the P.T. at today's H.L. Media Day:
Peters averaged 12.7 points and 4.8 rebounds last season for the Crusaders, making the All-Freshman team, and seems poised to make significant strides this season.
"He's a much better player than he was at the end of last year," Valparaiso coach Bryce Drew said.
"He's much quicker this year. He's improved his shooting — and he was a good shooter last year. He's improved his ballhandling. He's improved his defense. The first couple weeks, he's shown all of that improvement in practice."
As a freshman he shot 49% from the field and 39% from 3. And he's improved his shooting? He's quicker? He's a better ball handler? He's better defensively?
Get ready my friends!
Wait a minute. Bryce said, "He's a much better player than he was
at the end of last year." As I noted at the beginning of this thread, his numbers over the last 7 games of the season included:
34.0 MPG
16.3 PPG
42-68 FG (62%)16-21 FT (76%)
14-30 3PT (47%)5.0 RPG1.3 TOPG
2.0 FPG
And he's "much better" than that? :o
Quote from: wh on August 31, 2014, 02:39:20 PM
If you're going to dream, go big:
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=alec-peters&doug-mcdermott=2010-2011&p1=doug-mcdermott (http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=alec-peters&doug-mcdermott=2010-2011&p1=doug-mcdermott)
Looks like I'm not the only one thinking Doug McDermott:
Alec Peters tweet
@dougmcd3 jersey finally came in today.
Favorite player to model my game after! pic.twitter.com/z19AhbCmtP
10:33pm - 17 Oct 14
that's cool. I am excited about seeing him in his sophomore body and the added strength, power and speed that comes with that. At 6-9 he could tear up the league.
Quote from: VULB#62 on October 19, 2014, 05:54:47 PM
that's cool. I am excited about seeing him in his sophomore body and the added strength, power and speed that comes with that. At 6-9 he could tear up the league.
Cool Aid drinker here. I'm as always at this time of year, really excited to see what the team will bring. What did we lose? A lot of size but not a great deal of anything other than shot blocking (no small contribution). We are replacing a big, slow forward (Bobby Capobianco) with a smaller, much quicker and more versatile forward in E. Victor. How good is he? That is question #1. Losing the strong, slashing, scorer that was LaVonte, is probably the bigger question. Who will put the team on their back like he did? It has to come from someone other than just Alec or they will throw whomever is necessary to stop him.
It will be fun--hopefully! ???
Keith Carter's performance is the key to the season. With Lexus out, Keith has to come up big.
Alec needs a supporting cast that can score.
If we're looking at a Dougie McBuckets-esque player I really hope he takes the Frosh to Soph jump Doug did.
If Alec makes the jump here's what we're in store for. I think you'll like what I've found.
32.5 MPG
20.7 PPG
58.5% FG%
82.1% FT%
44.0% 3P%
2.0 3PM/G, 3.3 FTM/G
5.9 RPG
1.3 ORPG
1.3 APG
1.9 Fouls/G
4 Blocks (not per game total)
26 Steals
Please elucidate. Are you:
--simply enumerating McDermott's sophomore statistics or
--extrapolating from Peters' freshman statistics an identical % improvement as between McDermott's first two years or
--something else?
Dougie played 39 games his frosh year and 35 his soph year. I took the per game stats for counting numbers and took the improvement and added it to Alec's stats. For example I took DougieSoph's 307 FGM and divided by the 35 games he played, then I subtracted DougieFresh's 220 FGM by his 39 games. It led to an improvement of 106.4 so I added that to Alec's 154 frosh FGM and got 260 FGM for Alec.
Quote from: Kyle321n on October 23, 2014, 10:00:21 AMIf we're looking at a Dougie McBuckets-esque player I really hope he takes the Frosh to Soph jump Doug did.
If Alec makes the jump here's what we're in store for. I think you'll like what I've found.
58.5% FG%
While I would love to see this, I don't see how this could happen. Unless someone is taking all of their shots within 8 feet of the rim, you won't see 58.5% for a FG%. Even if Alec were to increase his 3PT%, he'd have to hit about 72% from inside the arc to get the 58.5%.
Only Vashil, Jubril and Chadwick have a shot to get near 58.5% for FG%.
McBuckets through his college career: 52.5% - 60.1% - 54.8% - 52.6% and 40.5% - 48.6% - 49.0% - 44.9%
(remember his senior year was against a tougher brand of opponent)
If Alec improves ala Doug he'd shoot 66% from the inside the arc and 44% from outside. He shot 58% from inside the arc last year, 12 more made shots and he's at that 66%.
Just for jun, do you know what Rowdy's numbers were, say, his junior and senior years? Obviously, he didn't get to play much as a freshman.
The other Crusader playing a similar role/position would be Dan Oppland
If Peters averages 20 points per game, he would surpass Bryce, who averaged 19.9 in his best year. Also, if Alec shot 66% inside the arc, he would do better than Kevin Van Wijk, whose best was 63%. I think that is asking way too much, especially from a sophomore.
On a related note, the improvement I'd like to see this year would be in Vashil's free throw shooting percent. Kevin improved from 65% in his junior year to 75% in his senior year. Vashil shot only 47% last year (less than 40% in conference play). If he could shoot just 65%, that would be a huge help given how many times he will likely be fouled in the upcoming season.
Rowdy was 40.9% - 48.8% - 49.1% - 44.8% and 36.4% - 44.8% - 39.1% - 41.7%
He was more of a long distance shooter as 56% of his shots over his career were threes. Alec last year was 47% threes. Alec took 165 shots from inside the arc while Rowdy never took more than 159. They don't play as similar a game.
Oppland seems like a reasonable comparison. 50.9% - 54.6% - 52.0% - 50.8% from the field. Now his 3P shooting didn't come into fruition until his junior year He took 78 and 99 his last 2 seasons and only 14 total in the previous seasons. He also didn't start until his Sophomore year.
I don't think we've seen a player like Peters at Valpo. McDermott seems to be the most apt comparison I've seen in a while. There is one player in history who hit a similar amount of threes his freshman year and shot 45.9% from behind the arc. But that guy came to campus 20 years ago and was only 6'2".
Is the FG% "FG%" or "2-pt FG%"? Important distinction; the latter more plausible.
In the "Doug-jump" is overall FG%. I realize McDermott was a lottery pick and comparing him to Alec is a stretch, but looking at their freshman numbers it's not completely unbelievable to think he could turn into a similar player. This isn't Michael Jordan we're coming him with.
Why are we talking about Doug McDermott?
While we are shooting for the moon, why not hope that Vashil makes a Dan Oppland-like jump in FT%? I believe that he was around 45% in his first few years, and through a ton of practice, upped it into the 70s. Any time we were running in the gym, that guy was living at the FT line. Similar to Kenny Harris, who even though he didn't look like it, worked his @$$ off each morning in the gym.
Quote from: a3uge on October 23, 2014, 09:35:39 PM
Why are we talking about Doug McDermott?
because you can only compare white players to white players
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on October 24, 2014, 09:53:25 AM
Quote from: a3uge on October 23, 2014, 09:35:39 PM
Why are we talking about Doug McDermott?
because you can only compare white players to white players
LOL...In fairness: Alec has said that McBuckets is the player he models his game after.
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Here are some stats for Oppland:
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player/valparaiso/dan-oppland (http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player/valparaiso/dan-oppland)
He would have averaged above 20 points his senior year if his FT% had stayed even with this sophomore and junior years.
Quote from: Kyle321n on October 23, 2014, 10:00:21 AM
If we're looking at a Dougie McBuckets-esque player I really hope he takes the Frosh to Soph jump Doug did.
If Alec makes the jump here's what we're in store for. I think you'll like what I've found.
32.5 MPG
20.7 PPG
58.5% FG%
82.1% FT%
44.0% 3P%
2.0 3PM/G, 3.3 FTM/G
5.9 RPG
1.3 ORPG
1.3 APG
1.9 Fouls/G
4 Blocks (not per game total)
26 Steals
More realistic would be a comparison of Alec with Gordon Hayward during his sophomore year in the Horizon League. Alec is 6'9" 225 lbs, while Hayward was listed as 6'9" 207 lbs.
Hayward's sophomore stats:
33.5 MPG
15.5 PPG
46.4% FG%
82.9% FT%
29.4% 3FG%
8.2 RPG
1.7 APG
Those statistics were good enough to get Hayward the 9th pick in the 1st round of the NBA Draft, but I'm looking forward to Peters sticking around for 4 years.
Quote from: valpopal on October 28, 2014, 11:17:00 PM
Quote from: Kyle321n on October 23, 2014, 10:00:21 AM
If we're looking at a Dougie McBuckets-esque player I really hope he takes the Frosh to Soph jump Doug did.
If Alec makes the jump here's what we're in store for. I think you'll like what I've found.
32.5 MPG
20.7 PPG
58.5% FG%
82.1% FT%
44.0% 3P%
2.0 3PM/G, 3.3 FTM/G
5.9 RPG
1.3 ORPG
1.3 APG
1.9 Fouls/G
4 Blocks (not per game total)
26 Steals
More realistic would be a comparison of Alec with Gordon Hayward during his sophomore year in the Horizon League. Alec is 6'9" 225 lbs, while Hayward was listed as 6'9" 207 lbs.
Hayward's sophomore stats:
33.5 MPG
15.5 PPG
46.4% FG%
82.9% FT%
29.4% 3FG%
8.2 RPG
1.7 APG
Those statistics were good enough to get Hayward the 9th pick in the 1st round of the NBA Draft, but I'm looking forward to Peters sticking around for 4 years.
I think Gordon Hayward is kind of a poor comparison. Hayward is a bizarre character - he had an extreme growth spurt very late in his teens, so he's basically a point guard that grew into a small forward body. He's sneaky athletic (he's white) and is a fairly decent slasher. Alec, on the other hand, is not nearly as athletic, and is probably more of a stretch 3/4 than a stretch 2/3. In Horizon League play, you'll find Peters scoring down low, or hanging out at the 3 point line. He's not one to slash or create his own shot off the dribble. He's actually a surprisingly good passer for his size, but this comes from his high BB IQ, not his ability to drive and kick.
I think Doug McDermott is actually an okay comparison in terms of their playing style, but it's pretty dumb to imply the same growth because their games are similar. McDermott was one of the greatest scorers/shooters in college basketball history. Peters shot .283 from 3PT in conference. McDermott in the MVC and the (Semi) Big East never shot below .400 and averaged a crazy .449. While I think Peters' shot will improve, he still has a limited ceiling. He doesn't have an NBA body (not many teams lining up to draft stretch forwards), and doesn't have an outrageous shot like McDermott or Steve Novak to hide his shortcomings. He's not athletic enough and doesn't have the handling skills to play small forward, and he's not big/strong enough to play PF... really shouldn't have to explain why Peters won't be anywhere close to an NBA player.
Anyways, he makes for a great Horizon League player. He just needs to find his rhythm in his shot again. Since the Horizon lacks quality bigs, he's able to play down low offensively and grab a ton of rebounds on defense. His height allows him to shoot over smaller guards. He's never going to get exposed defensively playing against other bigs - it's not like Jordan Fouse is going to develop a post game that exploits Peters.
Obligatory Gordon Hayward gifs.
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(http://jazzfanatical.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/gordon-1.gif?w=600)
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OK, how about Brian Cardinal who played 12 years in the NBA with some time at PF and some time at SF. He was listed at 6'8" 245lbs. Averaged 4.6 ppg and 2.3 rbg over his career while shooting 40.8% FG , 37.2 from the 3 and 86.1 FT.
That seems like a pretty good comparison.
Yeah, Hayward is a bit of a freak. Long arms. He was a great tennis player as well as a PG and went 6'9" as you said. Think Drew Brees (another exceptional tennis player with footwork that it develops) and moving around easily at a height of 6'9". The first time I saw him was on TV in his freshman year when they came from nowhere and beat CSU in Cleveland. He was everywhere and his long arms just surrounded CSU guys on D.
Quote from: VULB#62 on October 19, 2014, 05:54:47 PMAt 6-9 he (Alec) could tear up the league.
This sounds too much like Mo Kone saying "I will dominate the Mid-Con." I realize Alec would never say something like that but statements like this are read by the opposing players.
Throughout the first month of the season Alec has been nothing short of stellar, already has game highs of 26, 27, and 31, and if the 26 and 31 point performances were in close game where he played more than 20 minutes we could be looking at a possible 40 point output.
So far he is averaging just about 19 PPG (25.6 minutes per game), shooting just under 60%, 52.5% from beyond the arc, 85% from the charity stripe, and 6 boards a game. So far he has been "as advertised" if not better. He is definitely an early contender for conference player of the year.
His numbers are, so far, just a bit better than Keifer Sykes, who is average 18.6 PPG (33 minutes per game), shooting just under 53%, a dismal 22% from beyond the arc, and 81% from the free throw line. He also is average about 4 assists per game, and just under 5 boards a contest.
His scoring and rebounding numbers are similar to Alec except he is so far averaging about 8 more minutes a game than Alec! That's a lot of minutes.
AP is average a hair under 30 points per 40, while Keifer is only 22 per 40.
I will give Keifer this they have played better opponents but you can only beat the teams you play and Alec has been nothing short of dominant in the early going of this season.
I would think picking the HL POW should be a pretty simple task this week. Alec dominated play in 2 of the 3 Crusaders blow out wins over quality mid-major opponents and was named MVP of the Music City Tournament.
Alec's 3-game stats:
18.7 PPG in only 29 MPG (=26 PP40)
21-49 FG 54%
10-17 3FG 59%
4-5 FT 80%
5.7 RPG
I think what makes Alec's performance even more impressive is that he was able to sustain such a high level of performance over 3 consecutive days and against 3 opponents with vastly different playing styles. I haven't looked very closely, but it would be hard to imagine anyone else in the HL having a better run than that over the past 7 days.
POW numbers (2 games):
26 PPG in 24 MPG for an amazing 43.3 PP40
58% FG% (18-31)
53% 3FG% (8-15)
People who are not watching this kid are missing something special.
Quote from: wh on December 21, 2014, 06:18:17 PMPeople who are not watching this kid are missing something special.
And apparently that is a lot of people.
Fort Wayne will be kicking themselves that they missed their chance--although maybe when he's a senior they might get lucky.
It'll be interesting to see who the league chooses - Bobby Hain (YSU) went for 26 pts and 17 rebounds in a loss to Kennesaw State, and 17 and 17 in a win over Wilberforce.
Nevertheless, it's been amazing watching Alec this year - already eight 20+ point games, including six of the last eight. And how about over the last three halves of basketball: 39 minutes, 18-30 FG, 8-14 3PT, 52 points. Let me say that again: 52 points in the equivalent of one game. Wow.
I found it hilarious that the IPFW commentators mentioned that it was a tough race for Peters' commitment, and that IPFW had a chance, with Peters 'getting away' ;D
Quote from: valpotx on December 21, 2014, 06:35:20 PM
I found it hilarious that the IPFW commentators mentioned that it was a tough race for Peters' commitment, and that IPFW had a chance, with Peters 'getting away' ;D
I really think that is jealousy and revisionist history. At least I'm sure Alec is thinking "I made the correct decision in choosing Valpo."
They may have been somewhere in the running, but, as I recall, Alec narrowed his 20-30 offers down to 3 final contenders - Boston College, Illinois State and Valpo. I know he mentioned Coach Powell being a positive influencing factor, as well as the proximity to his hometown. We also know that valpo64 played a role (and I'm only half kidding). Who knows but what making a positive connection with a loyal and engaging fan and alumnus could have been the tie breaker?
And once again the HL PoW goes too..... Mr. Alec Peters
Since the freshman of the week award last year was named the Alec Peters Award
Why not just rename to PoW to the Alec Peters Award as well?
Quote from: classof2014 on December 22, 2014, 09:44:46 AM
And once again the HL PoW goes too..... Mr. Alec Peters
Since the freshman of the week award last year was named the Alec Peters Award
Why not just rename to PoW to the Alec Peters Award as well?
Is this wishful thinking or has this been announced somewhere that I am not aware of??
Quote from: FWalum on December 22, 2014, 10:50:38 AM
Quote from: classof2014 on December 22, 2014, 09:44:46 AM
And once again the HL PoW goes too..... Mr. Alec Peters
Since the freshman of the week award last year was named the Alec Peters Award
Why not just rename to PoW to the Alec Peters Award as well?
Is this wishful thinking or has this been announced somewhere that I am not aware of??
http://valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2014-15/14226/peters-claims-league-weekly-honor/#.VJhMxF4DI (http://valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2014-15/14226/peters-claims-league-weekly-honor/#.VJhMxF4DI)
Too bad the HL likes to give the POY award unjustifiably to hyped NBA prospects instead over guys that actually deserve it.
Quote from: a3uge on December 22, 2014, 07:58:28 PM
Too bad the HL likes to give the POY award unjustifiably to hyped NBA prospects instead over guys that actually deserve it.
That's why they have a Pre-season and Post season. The pre-season award is usually given in favor of upperclassmen.
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Quote from: motowntitan on December 22, 2014, 09:34:55 PM
Quote from: a3uge on December 22, 2014, 07:58:28 PM
Too bad the HL likes to give the POY award unjustifiably to hyped NBA prospects instead over guys that actually deserve it.
That's why they have a Pre-season and Post season. The pre-season award is usually given in favor of upperclassmen.
You know that's not at all what I'm talking about.
After an off night by Howard (9 points on 4-17 shooting), Alec is the new conference scoring leader @ 19.0 PPG and 28.3 PP40. Howard is 2nd @ 18.9 and 26.2. What's truly amazing is that Alec is 21st in MPG @ 26.9.
Alec is also:
1st in 3Pt FG Pct
1st in Offensive Rating
3rd in FG Pct
6th in FT Pct
10th in RPG
Quote from: wh on December 23, 2014, 11:10:03 PM
After an off night by Howard (9 points on 4-17 shooting), Alec is the new conference scoring leader @ 19.0 PPG and 28.3 PP40. Howard is 2nd @ 18.9 and 26.2. What's truly amazing is that Alec is 21st in MPG @ 26.9.
Alec is also:
1st in 3Pt FG Pct
1st in Offensive Rating
3rd in FG Pct
6th in FT Pct
10th in RPG
Eh, I guess he's alright... ;)
At the end of Valpo's non-conference play, here are the current stats for Alec Peters vs Keifer Sykes. Note that Sykes has played a whopping 8 more minutes per game than Peters in the non-conference schedule.
It will remain to be seen whether these numbers hold in conference play, and I know there is a league bias towards Sykes because he is a senior and is hyped as an NBA prospect. Also, those who voted in pre-season predicting Sykes as the Player of the Year wouldn't want to be proven wrong. Finally, whether Green Bay or Valparaiso comes out ahead in the standings may be a factor.
However, all other things equal, if the conference stats continue to look like those below, I would have to give the edge for Player of the Year to Peters, who leads in 6 of 10 crucial categories.
Minutes per game: Peters 26.4, Sykes 34.2
Points per game: Peters 19.0, Sykes 17.3
Rebounds per game: Peters 5.9, Sykes 4.5
FG percent: Peters 53.5, Sykes 47.5
FT percent: Peters 83.7, Sykes 84.1
FT made per game: Peters 2.7, Sykes 4.1
3-pt FG percent: Peters 50.6, Sykes 32.1
3-pt FG made: Peters 44, Sykes 18
Assists per game: Peters 0.9, Sykes 3.6
Steals per game: Peters 0.8, Sykes 1.8
Turnovers per game: Peters 1.4, Sykes 2.2
Quote from: valpopal on December 30, 2014, 01:11:42 PM
At the end of Valpo's non-conference play, here are the current stats for Alec Peters vs Keifer Sykes. Note that Sykes has played a whopping 8 more minutes per game than Peters in the non-conference schedule.
It will remain to be seen whether these numbers hold in conference play, and I know there is a league bias towards Sykes because he is a senior and is hyped as an NBA prospect. Also, those who voted in pre-season predicting Sykes as the Player of the Year wouldn't want to be proven wrong. Finally, whether Green Bay or Valparaiso comes out ahead in the standings may be a factor.
However, all other things equal, if the conference stats continue to look like those below, I would have to give the edge for Player of the Year to Peters, who leads in 6 of 10 crucial categories.
Minutes per game: Peters 26.4, Sykes 34.2
Points per game: Peters 19.0, Sykes 17.3
Rebounds per game: Peters 5.9, Sykes 4.5
FG percent: Peters 53.5, Sykes 47.5
FT percent: Peters 83.7, Sykes 84.1
FT made per game: Peters 2.7, Sykes 4.1
3-pt FG percent: Peters 50.6, Sykes 32.1
3-pt FG made: Peters 44, Sykes 18
Assists per game: Peters 0.9, Sykes 3.6
Steals per game: Peters 0.8, Sykes 1.8
Turnovers per game: Peters 1.4, Sykes 2.2
The fact that they play different positions makes it easier for the HL to just give it to the NBA prospect. If Peters maintains this pace, it would be criminal if he isn't POY. In terms of advanced metrics, he's 4th in the entire country in PER, 2nd in win shares, and 11th in effective field goal percentage. Sure, Sykes is a point guard, but he's not top of the conference in many of the categories you'd judge a point guard on vs a small forward. A/T Ratio he's 13th, APG he's 6th, Assist % he's 8th, Steals P/G he's 3rd.
Unfortunately since Sykes makes cool dunks and might get drafted, he, by default will win the award.
Quote from: Kyle321n on October 23, 2014, 10:00:21 AM
If we're looking at a Dougie McBuckets-esque player I really hope he takes the Frosh to Soph jump Doug did.
If Alec makes the jump here's what we're in store for. I think you'll like what I've found.
32.5 MPG 26.4
20.7 PPG 19.0
58.5% FG% 53.5
82.1% FT% 83.7
44.0% 3P% 50.6 !!!
2.0 3PM/G, 3.3 FTM/G 2.9 and 2.7
5.9 RPG 5.9
1.3 ORPG 1.5
1.3 APG 0.9
1.9 Fouls/G 1.9
4 Blocks (not per game total) 5 thru 15 games!
26 Steals 12 (right on pace)
Yeah, if he avoids the early conference slump he had last year and has the same late season push then he should be able to match the Doug-jump!
Nice story on Alec:
http://www.pjstar.com/article/20150105/SPORTS/150109692/?Start=1 (http://www.pjstar.com/article/20150105/SPORTS/150109692/?Start=1)
Alec Peters building a top-drawer resume at Valparaiso
http://www.pjstar.com/article/20150105/SPORTS/150109692/?Start=1 (http://www.pjstar.com/article/20150105/SPORTS/150109692/?Start=1)
Quote from: vu72 on January 06, 2015, 09:40:13 AM
Nice story on Alec:
http://www.pjstar.com/article/20150105/SPORTS/150109692/?Start=1 (http://www.pjstar.com/article/20150105/SPORTS/150109692/?Start=1)
Quote from: wh on January 06, 2015, 04:38:26 PM
Alec Peters building a top-drawer resume at Valparaiso
http://www.pjstar.com/article/20150105/SPORTS/150109692/?Start=1 (http://www.pjstar.com/article/20150105/SPORTS/150109692/?Start=1)
Guys did you see the story in the Peoria Journal Star on Alec? ;)
Quote from: Kyle321n on January 06, 2015, 04:43:34 PMGuys did you see the story in the Peoria Journal Star on Alec?
No, but check out this one about Alec. It's a nice story about his top-drawer resume.
totally a totally different article (http://www.pjstar.com/article/20150105/SPORTS/150109692/?Start=1)
There was a story on Alec in the PJS about his top-drawer college career. I apologize if this has already been posted.
<a href="http://www.pjstar.com/article/20150105/SPORTS/150109692/?Start=1">
Alec Peters building a top-drawer basketball resume at Valparaiso</a>
EDIT: Ooooops! (not Oppps) Jeeez! I was only the 4th one to post this! ??? :-* :P
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Quote from: bbtds on January 06, 2015, 08:20:45 PM
I was only the 4th one to post this! ??? :-* :P
The 5th! Get it right!
EDIT: i mean the 4th. you were totally right, bbtds. everyone go ahead and click on my completely different link. that's...that's it.
In case you were awake too pondering the mysteries of life, like "would I be better off fouling Alec when shooting a 3?" the answer (this year) is no.
Shooting 84.3% from the line, the odds are just over 60% that he will make all 3 free throws. Whereas he's now 47.2% from behind the arc.
What's interesting is that if he hadn't improved his FT stroke, his current 3FG% would need a FT rate of 77.8% to make it a wash (i.e. doesn't matter, from an odds-POV, whether you foul him or just let him shoot the 3). Last year he shot 77.3%.
BUT just as he has improved his FT stroke, so also his 3FG, which was 38.6%, has improved greatly.
Bottom line, in case this isn't making much sense given the hour, is
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Quote from: Kyle321n on December 30, 2014, 02:30:52 PM
Quote from: Kyle321n on October 23, 2014, 10:00:21 AM
If we're looking at a Dougie McBuckets-esque player I really hope he takes the Frosh to Soph jump Doug did.
If Alec makes the jump here's what we're in store for. I think you'll like what I've found.
32.5 MPG 29.1
20.7 PPG 17.0
58.5% FG% 50.0
82.1% FT% 83.9
44.0% 3P% 46.6
2.0 3PM/G, 3.3 FTM/G 2.4 and 2.7
5.9 RPG 6.6
1.3 ORPG 1.7
1.3 APG 1.3
1.9 Fouls/G 1.8
4 Blocks (not per game total) 9 thru 28 games!
26 Steals 19
Yeah, if he avoids the early conference slump he had last year and has the same late season push then he should be able to match the Doug-jump!
I updated the numbers for the through 28 games. While the scoring numbers are below the average jump Dougie made and the 2 point shooting is quite what he did, the three point shooting, rebounding and peripheral stats look right on. I think we'd take 2 more seasons of 50%-45%-85% with 5-6 rebounds a game. Hell with Vashil graduating he could see his rebound numbers tick up.
While I don't think Alec will be playing in the big league and getting picked in the lottery like Doug, he could lead a mid-major team to some really good seasons like Doug did.
The thing about Alec is his maturity level for a sophomore. He doesn't take bad shots, just because he's a good 3-point shooter doesn't mean whenever he touches the ball he launches a 3 with a hand in his face. He does all the little things that go unnoticed. There have been very few times I've been frustrated with a decision made by Alec. I think the next step will be having him develop the ability to drive into the lane. I don't see why this can't happen. In the last four games he's had two double-doubles and was a rebound shy of having a third double-double. I do like that he can post up and get some easy baskets, that was a big part of that key stretch when Alec scored 10 points in the GB game, none came from outside. He did it down low and converted a few old fashioned 3s.
To me he's the PoY. He doesn't do too much, like Keifer who does force it at times. It's not just skill level to me that determines the best player in the league. It's the decision making as well. His scoring number have been down over the past couple of games but the effect he has had on the game hasn't dropped off.
Sykes forces it too much. I'd much rather have night where you're 4-7 for 13 points, 8 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 steal, and 1 turnover, than going 6-17 for 18 points, 4 assists, 5 boards, and 3 TOs. Decision making is what separates the skill players, Alec has made better decisions over the past few games compared to Keifer.
Keifer's mentality is "I gotta score to win." While Alec's is "I gotta play well to win."
I agree he is most likely POY at this point. I've got Howard, Sykes, Peters, Felder and maybe Grady as first teamers with Petros, Tiby, Lewis, Hain and McWhorter on the second. All defense would be Fernandez, Tiby, Felder, Fouse and Grady.
Quote from: vu72 on February 18, 2015, 11:24:13 AM
I agree he is most likely POY at this point. I've got Howard, Sykes, Peters, Felder and maybe Grady as first teamers with Petros, Tiby, Lewis, Hain and McWhorter on the second. All defense would be Fernandez, Tiby, Felder, Fouse and Grady.
Any all defense team without Dante Williams from Oakland would be a travesty to me. He has limited Alec to 7 and 11 points in their two matchups, Trey Lewis went for 0 and 5 against him, Howard had 11 and 9 in their meetings. Not sure if he guarded Sykes or not in their one meeting so far this season so I won't speculate. But just what he has done to slow down those 3 players who all very well may be first teamers, puts him solidly on the team.
I agree that he should be POY, and that's not a criticism of anyone else. I love Sykes and Felder but at 6-9 Alec is a unique talent, especially at the mid major level. He can shoot the lights out from anywhere on the court, he can play with his back to the basket, and he is a strong position rebounder, all while playing against various gimmick defenses designed to deny him the ball and double teams once he gets the ball.
It seems that Keifer's stock has been decreasing recently. He seems overworked and exhausted. I don't think he's going to get drafted. If you play physical against him he tends to have an off night. He's undersized for the NBA and doesn't have a good enough outside shot to be respected as a shooter. NBAers are exponentially stronger than mid-major athletes. If Keifer goes into the NBA he'll be around for a year or two and disappear.
Anyways, Alec does deserve PoY. It'll depend on who wins the conference. If it's Valpo it's Alec; anyone else its Keifer.
Agreed, if Valpo wins it will probably be Peters. If CSU wins I'd give it to Trey Lewis. I don't think GB will win it unless Keifer is healthy these last few games and he goes completely nuts.
I know I'm usually the irrationally optimistic one, but one thing to keep in mind is that most people are only looking at conference stats, and there Alec hasn't fared as well (14.7 ppg vs. 19.0 OOC). So you've got twin philosophies of "conference play only" vs. "best player from the best team" going H2H here. We'll see!
Looking at stats....is it possible that Valpo could have no first teamers and win the league? Peters is our only first team hopeful. He is 9th (tied with Jay Harris) in scoring and 5th in rebounding. I'm removing my POTY for him based solely on stats. We all know what he could do if he was playing 38+ minutes and shooting it twice as often.
I could see a Felder, Sykes, Lewis, Howard (Grady), Petros being first teamers. With Peters, Walker, Fernandez, Tiby, and Grady (Howard) being second teamers.
Seems to me like Sykes, Felder or Lewis is your POTY and Drew is your COTY.
He's a first teamer, no doubt.
He is currently top 10 in scoring, rebounding, FG %, 3 pt FG %, and FT%
He's one of the top 5 players in the conference, defenses focus on him, yet he still puts up really good numbers in many different categories.
I'm by no means saying he isn't one of the top 5 (or top two) players in the league. But, you can certainly make an argument for each of those other guys. I didn't even throw in Mays and Fouse who could both be 2nd teamers.
1st team (top 3 are potential POY)
Peters
Sykes
Lewis
Felder
Howard
2nd team
Tiby
Mays
Petros
Grady
Lee
All D
Fernandez (d PoY)
Fouse
Felder
McWhorter
Grady
Freshman
Walker (FoY)
Bass
Skara
Hayes
Benzinger
Sixth Man
Nick Daniels
CoY
Bryce
Any all-Defensive team without Dante Williams on it is null and void.
Anyone who would put Howard on 1st team and not Peters should have their ballot taken away permanently. In watching Detroit last night, I don't think think there is a lazier defensive player in the league. An offensively challenged GB team had a field day going around him, back dooring him and outworkimg him on the boards. On offense he is totally one dimensional - shoot the ball 5 feet beyond the NBA 3-pt. line where no one closely guards anyone.
Quote from: vusupporter on February 19, 2015, 01:24:53 PM
Any all-Defensive team without Dante Williams on it is null and void.
Thank you. I said this on another thread and it went pretty unrecognized. He's the main threat to Vashil as DPOY. I'll save my further predictions until the regular season finishes.
Felder and Sykes are locks for first team. The rest of the voting will be very close. Grady is most likely on the first team, with Mays, Alec, Howard and Lewis in the mix. Either Vashil or Williams will win Defensive player of the year. Bryce will win coach of the year in a landslide.
Quote from: chef on February 19, 2015, 02:01:10 PM
Felder and Sykes are locks for first team. The rest of the voting will be very close. Grady is most likely on the first team, with Mays, Alec, Howard and Lewis in the mix. Either Vashil or Williams will win Defensive player of the year. Bryce will win coach of the year in a landslide.
I would think Petros has to be in the mix as well. 15th in scoring but 3rd in rebounds and 1st in FG%. McWhorter is also having a very good year being 2nd in assts, 3rd in steals and 1st in assts/to ratio.
They aren't threats to the first team I don't believe, but Bass and Tevonn should get some 2nd team consideration.
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