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Title: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: LaPorteAveApostle on February 02, 2015, 07:50:07 AM
SSIA

...well, except #BeatDetroit
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: FWalum on February 02, 2015, 08:28:02 AM
Which one of these did you mean?

SSIA   Shoe Service Institute of America
SSIA   Special Savings Incentive Account
SSIA   Subject Says It All
SSIA   Successful Schools In Action
SSIA   Security Seal Industry Association
SSIA   SnowSports Industries America
SSIA   Signal Strength Indication of the Acknowledge
SSIA   Single-Stage Implosion Assembled
SSIA   So Sorry in Advance
SSIA   Social Services Improvement Agency

;)
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: LaPorteAveApostle on February 02, 2015, 08:30:41 AM
Quote from: FWalum on February 02, 2015, 08:28:02 AMSingle-Stage Implosion Assembled
obviously, given that UDM gonna UDM...
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: FWalum on February 02, 2015, 08:45:57 AM
Thought it might be Successful Schools In Action with VU putting a hurt on them, but there is no doubt that UDM is going to be UDM.
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: HC on February 02, 2015, 09:10:43 AM
#219

Valpo by 11. 72-61
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: Valpofan00 on February 02, 2015, 10:48:40 AM
Okay can anyone not stand how bad of quality our live video feed and microphone is compared to other schools? It looks and sounds fuzzy. We need a new camera.
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: covufan on February 02, 2015, 02:05:04 PM
After a sluggish second half on Saturday, we need to come out and play 40. 

Valpo  75
Det     61
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: FWalum on February 02, 2015, 02:35:37 PM
Quote from: HC on February 02, 2015, 09:10:43 AM
#219

Valpo by 11. 72-61
Someone might want to explain this for any of the new people.  ;D
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: LaPorteAveApostle on February 02, 2015, 03:03:37 PM
Quote from: FWalum on February 02, 2015, 02:35:37 PM
Quote from: HC on February 02, 2015, 09:10:43 AM
#219

Valpo by 11. 72-61
Someone might want to explain this for any of the new people.  ;D

(http://media.tumblr.com/be45fdbd4430f02eecbae9525910902b/tumblr_inline_mo5kcmG5SZ1qz4rgp.jpg)
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: bbtds on February 02, 2015, 04:48:07 PM
Just in case someone tags Valpo with area code graffiti again.........here are the area codes for the other HL teams

Oakland           248
Detroit             313
Cleveland St     216
Youngstown St  330
Wright St         937
UIC                 312
Milwaukee        414
Green Bay        920

Maybe this will also explain the post with the #219 tag.
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: wh on February 02, 2015, 09:53:30 PM
Game #25: @ Valparaiso
Postby Commissioner » Mon Feb 02, 2015 7:50 pm

Valparaiso
When: Wednesday, February 4, 8:00 p.m. ET
Where: The ARC, Valparaiso
Live Video: ESPN3
Radio: AM 1270

The Horizon League pre-season poll picked Detroit and Valpo neck and neck to finish third and fourth in the conference. We're now three-quarters of the way through the season. While the Titans have probably been the most disappointing team in the Horizon this year, languishing in a tie for 5th at 4-5 in conference and 11-13 overall, Valpo is rockin' at 20-4 and sits in first place in the conference, tied with Cleveland State (over whom they currently hold the tiebreaker). This week they got a vote in both the AP and Coach's poll. This year the Crusaders will see post-season play for the 5th straight year. If the Titans don't get better fast, we're soon enough going to see something like Missouri State, Southern Illinois, or Indiana State join Conference USA for football, and Valpo replace them in the Valley, leaving us the sole private in the Horizon.

Anyway, can the Titans get going? Frankly, I doubt it. When the Titans lost 6 in a row in December, I was willing to write it off to a period of bad play during a tough part of the schedule, as new players were worked in. When we came back to win 4 of 5, including a good road win at Northeastern and only a tough loss to Green Bay, I thought we could contend for the upper division of the Conference. Not any more. This Titan team is simply a bad team. I do not agree with those who argue that we have talent but no chemistry or fire or coaching or whatever. I don't think we have talent. We make lots of bad passes. We foul too much, stupid, cheap fouls. We miss too many foul shots. We don't move off the ball. We lose too many balls in traffic. These things define who has talent. We don't have it. We are a bad team with a couple good players and a couple so-so players and a bunch of overrated scrubs.

Can we surprise Valpo? On the plus side, we've won the last three in Valpo, and in fact the visiting team has won the last 5 games in the series. But this Valpo team is not a fluke. It's a good team, and if someone else doesn't catch them this year, they are going to be really hard to catch the next couple years.

The Crusaders best player is sophomore forward Alec Peters, the presumptive 2016 and 2017 Horizon Player of the Year – maybe even 2015. The 6-9 Peters averages 17.8 points and 6.2 rebounds. He shoots 50% from the floor, 46% from the three point line, and 84% from the stripe. At center is 6-10, 245 lb. senior Vashil Fernandez (7.3 ppg, 6.1 rpg), who ought to eat up Kane and Ackerman. He'll also shut down Williams and Brundidge if they try to drive the lane—he leads the league in blocks with 3 per game—though I have a bit more confidence in Jenkins and Kearney.

After Peters and Fernandez Valpo starts three guards. Normally the point is manned by junior Keith Carter (9.7 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 3.8 apg, 42% 3PFG), but he's been out since the second week of January with a toe injury and is listed as questionable for Wednesday's game. He is joined by 6-1 freshman guard Tevonn Walker (10.6, 1.8 apg), who has developed quicker than most expected, and 6-3 juco transfer Darien Walker (9.9 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 2 apg).

If Carter doesn't start, look for Victor Nickerson (5.7 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 2 apg), a 6-8 G/F transfer from Charlotte. Indeed, Coach Bryce Drew may see no reason to rush Carter into the starting lineup even if he can play Wednesday, as Nickerson is probably a better match up with Bass, whom he can match in height and length. The top players on the bench (besides, usually, Nickerson) are forwards Jubril Adekoya and David Skara. Adekoya (5.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg), a 6-7, 230 lb. soph, has been a bit of a disappointment this year, losing the starting job he seized last year as a freshman, but he is still a big body off the bench, and a good match up for Hogan. Skara (5.6 ppg, 3.6 rpg) is a 6-8 freshman originally from Croatia who played prep ball last year in Indiana. With Carter out, freshman guard Max Joseph has seen double-digits in minutes in each of the last 7 games, averaging 3.4 points and 2.3 assists in that time.

As Detroit/Valpo games usually are, this should be an entertaining, high scoring affair, as both teams averge over 70 points per game, the Titans despite their problems in the half court. The Titans and Crusaders rank 1-2 in the conference in 3 point shooting, and, curiously enough, 2-3 in three point shooting defense. But Valpo has a stronger interior game and better rebounding, and they're just a smarter, more disciplined team. They can be caught late by fouling, if it stays close - Peters is the only really good free throw shooter except for Skara, who would be less likely to be on the court in that situation. Carter, Fernandez, Darien Walker, Joseph, and Adekoya are all shooting below 60% at the line.

This would be a really nice win for the Titans if we can stretch our streak in the ARC to 4 in a row. I'm not holding my breath, however.

Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: valpopal on February 02, 2015, 11:05:20 PM
Quote from: wh on February 02, 2015, 09:53:30 PMAdekoya (5.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg), a 6-7, 230 lb. soph, has been a bit of a disappointment this year, losing the starting job he seized last year as a freshman, but he is still a big body off the bench, and a good match up for Hogan.

The Commissioner usually does a very good job with his analysis, and he is mostly correct here as well. However, his stats for Adekoya are overall numbers, and we all have seen a different Jubril in the 9 games of conference play (6.7 ppg, 4.7 rpg), where he has not been disappointing and is shooting about 70% from the field plus 70% from the free throw line while committing only 1 turnover per game.
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: LaPorteAveApostle on February 03, 2015, 07:27:52 AM
Quote from: wh on February 02, 2015, 09:53:30 PMOn the plus side, we've won the last three in Valpo, and in fact the visiting team has won the last 5 games in the series.
yikes i'd conveniently forgotten how deep that ran...
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: classof2014 on February 03, 2015, 09:34:29 AM
I noticed that Commish was bringing up that the MVC may be interested in Valpo or vice versa. For one this would be a great move for Valpo and a blow to the Horizon. As both Wichita State and UNI are ranked, also now living in Des Moines I wouldn't mind them coming to Drake and UNI yearly for obvious selfish reasons.

-- Anyways Valpo wins this game by 12, 78 to 66.
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: Pathfinder on February 03, 2015, 11:40:03 AM
Quote from: bbtds on February 02, 2015, 04:48:07 PMJust in case someone tags Valpo with area code graffiti again.........here are the area codes for the other HL teams Oakland           248 Detroit             313 Cleveland St     216 Youngstown St  330 Wright St         937 UIC                 312 Milwaukee        414 Green Bay        920

Until I got to Green Bay, I was afraid these were RPI numbers.
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: wh on February 03, 2015, 12:43:28 PM
Commish gives the impression that KC could play tomorrow - "listed as questionable," "if he doesn't start."  Have I missed something?  He was in a boot at UIC. Todd didn't even bring it up in yesterday's weekly update with Bryce. Oren hasn't been tweeting about it. I've just been assuming there must not be any significant development to talk about. Anyone know anything?
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: valpo4life on February 03, 2015, 01:10:14 PM
Quote from: wh on February 03, 2015, 12:43:28 PM
Commish gives the impression that KC could play tomorrow - "listed as questionable," "if he doesn't start."  Have I missed something?  He was in a boot at UIC. Todd didn't even bring it up in yesterday's weekly update with Bryce. Oren hasn't been tweeting about it. I've just been assuming there must not be any significant development to talk about. Anyone know anything?

I don't know anything about KC's status. But I will say that I believe wearing a boot doesn't mean a whole lot anymore, as far as judging a player's injury. The walking boot has become more of a precautionary measure than anything. Someone could be good to practice or play, but will wear the walking boot just avoid any freak injuries or worsen anything. And to be clear this isn't me speculating KC will play. That was solely my opinion that seeing a player in a walking booth isn't as serious as you would think. 
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: wh on February 03, 2015, 01:26:58 PM
I see where Commish got "questionable" from:

01/31/15   G   Keith Carter   Toe   "?" Wednesday vs. Detroit U

http://www.donbest.com/ncaab/injuries/ (http://www.donbest.com/ncaab/injuries/)
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: Kyle321n on February 03, 2015, 01:36:35 PM
Well Chadwick doesn't show up there, I don't know if that means he'll be back to being in uniform or if he's still out, but it would be nice to have more than Alec, Vashil, Jubril and Skara available to be "bigs"
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: valpo64 on February 03, 2015, 02:08:24 PM
Don't know where this post should go but I'm wondering what time the Oakland game starts?   My tickets show 1:35 but the VU Athletic site shows 2:30???
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: talksalot on February 03, 2015, 02:12:58 PM
Looks like a change to me, I'd go with 2:30 Central  (HL Website has it at 3:30 eastern)... AND I see they have posted the GB game as a 6pm Central start on Friday the 13th.   
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: sliman on February 03, 2015, 04:06:04 PM
FWIW, the schedule online lists the Oakland game at 2 p.m. and the Green Bay game at 6 p.m., both CST.  And those times are shown both on the schedule and the front page "teasers."

As for Keith playing, I wouldn't count on it until we hear about him practicing.  As stated several times previously, healing a tendon/ligament is not a quick process.
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: talksalot on February 03, 2015, 04:14:24 PM
Quote from: sliman on February 03, 2015, 04:06:04 PMFWIW, the schedule online lists the Oakland game at 2 p.m. and the Green Bay game at 6 p.m., both CST.  And those times are shown both on the schedule and the front page "teasers."

The Schedule Cards [and apparently the season tickets] show 1:35pm and "TBA" respectively.


Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: historyman on February 03, 2015, 05:18:17 PM
Quote from: Pathfinder on February 03, 2015, 11:40:03 AM
Quote from: bbtds on February 02, 2015, 04:48:07 PMJust in case someone tags Valpo with area code graffiti again.........here are the area codes for the other HL teams Oakland           248 Detroit             313 Cleveland St     216 Youngstown St  330 Wright St         937 UIC                 312 Milwaukee        414 Green Bay        920
Until I got to Green Bay, I was afraid these were RPI numbers.

937 for Wright St? ? ? ?   :-[
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: Pathfinder on February 03, 2015, 06:18:16 PM
Wright State isn't very good.
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: wh on February 03, 2015, 06:59:54 PM
I've watched 3 or 4 of Detroit's games, including a dominant win over Oakland at home. They seem to be pretty inconsistent, but definitely not a team to underestimate. I think we took the big lead we built up against UIC for granted and it nearly cost us a devastating loss.  Bryce took Alec out in the 2nd half right after he had just hit 2 consecutive 3's to offset a run UIC was already on. Once he left UIC continued to score while our scoring dried up. By the time he put Alec back in UIC had cut the lead in half. Even worse Alec could never pull the trigger when he came back, Tevonn was limping around by then and wasn't himself on either end, and suddenly we were holding on for dear life like a boxer with nothing left in the tank.
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: valpotx on February 04, 2015, 01:35:14 AM
Quote from: classof2014 on February 03, 2015, 09:34:29 AM
I noticed that Commish was bringing up that the MVC may be interested in Valpo or vice versa. For one this would be a great move for Valpo and a blow to the Horizon. As both Wichita State and UNI are ranked, also now living in Des Moines I wouldn't mind them coming to Drake and UNI yearly for obvious selfish reasons.

-- Anyways Valpo wins this game by 12, 78 to 66.

I was told recently by someone in the know, that the MVC move was 'extremely close.'

Valpo 76
Detroit 62
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: LaPorteAveApostle on February 04, 2015, 05:24:23 AM
meaning
--it almost happened last time?
or
--it is imminent?

...and was this someone on an internet message board?
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: Kyle321n on February 04, 2015, 06:14:56 AM
I know making excuses by using the weather is pretty lame, since I would never let 17 inches of snow or -15 degree weather stop me from going to a game, but we're supposed to get 3-4 MORE inches of snow between 9 and 3 today and the temp is supposed to get down below 0 tonight. Could be a damper on the crowd.
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: oklahomamick on February 04, 2015, 06:40:52 AM
Quote from: valpotx on February 04, 2015, 01:35:14 AMI was told recently by someone in the know, that the MVC move was 'extremely close.'

Tex, are you talking about a couple summers ago or the present? 

I don't understand the all of sudden talk about the MVC.  There was mention that a couple of the MVC football school looking towards CUSA.  CUSA already has 14 teams. 
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: oklahomamick on February 04, 2015, 06:43:38 AM
Back to the subject of the UDM game.  The spread is -10 to Valpo.  After making a good profit from the -6 GB @ WSU I might reinvest it in this game.  I don't see us beating them by 10.  Yet, not disciplined or managed well, they are athletic and we struggle against athletic teams but settling for shots.  We pull it off but it's close. 
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: classof2014 on February 04, 2015, 08:17:50 AM
I would imagine that Valpo learned its lesson about taking the foot off the gas with a sizable lead, even against bad teams. That was really the first time all season that we were up big and a team got themselves back into the game. Just goes to show it ain't over till it over.

We learned our lesson against UIC and we will win comfortably against Detroit.
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: sliman on February 04, 2015, 10:42:36 AM
Community apathy and more snow definitely will hurt tonight's attendance.  A realistic number in the seats might be as low as 2,100.  If you're there BE LOUD.
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: hailcrusaders on February 04, 2015, 10:56:21 AM
The Detroit board (with the help of an apparent visitor from Oakland) has brought up the Capobianco incident from 2013. Still can't believe how riled that got them, talk about the coal calling the kettle black.
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: vu72 on February 04, 2015, 11:08:58 AM
Quote from: sliman on February 04, 2015, 10:42:36 AM
Community apathy and more snow definitely will hurt tonight's attendance.  A realistic number in the seats might be as low as 2,100.  If you're there BE LOUD.

Just checked the ticket sit and there are still 518 seats available in the lower level.  Upstairs it looks like 8 seats have been sold so far.  There are 2000 seats in the lower level (chairback and reserve)  The reality is that many of the seats unavailable were sold to season ticket holders.  Whether they show up is an entirely different question.
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: VU2624 on February 04, 2015, 11:38:50 AM
Quote from: valpotx on February 04, 2015, 01:35:14 AM
I was told recently by someone in the know, that the MVC move was 'extremely close.'

Valpo 76
Detroit 62

I think the "was" is definitely a past tense in this case. I don't think it is in any way an "is".

Detroit gives us fits at home. Let's hope the guys are ready.
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: classof2014 on February 04, 2015, 11:42:06 AM
Quote from: hailcrusaders on February 04, 2015, 10:56:21 AM
The Detroit board (with the help of an apparent visitor from Oakland) has brought up the Capobianco incident from 2013. Still can't believe how riled that got them, talk about the coal calling the kettle black.

That's hilarious that they are still bitter about the play, chances are it doesn't happen if Anderson just lays it in and tries not to be showoff in a blowout. That turned the game around and that game is one of my fondest memories of watching VU. KVW went like 13 of 15 from the floor in that game (I believe), he and Minnie Wrath had the big games. We were down 20 something with like 15 minutes left and down 11 with about 2, or something similar. I remember Rowdy stole the ball with like 12 seconds left on an inbound play and was immediately fouled. What does he do? He calmly sinks the 2 free throws to give us the 1 point lead. And I believe that the Minnie Wrath had his final shot blocked as the clocked expired to give us a one point 89 to 88 win. The game was on National tv no less (ESPN U). By far one of my favorite games in VU history.
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: wh on February 04, 2015, 12:08:10 PM
Yep, it begins with that inexcusable, uncontested, showboat, disrespect-your-opponent dunk at the gun by little ray and ends with Dougy getting pounded into the ground on an inexcusable, uncontested, showboat, disrespect-your-opponent windmill dunk. What The Lord giveth, Capo taketh away...what goes around comes around...the perfect circle of life...poetic justice...the law of reciprocity...what's good for the goose...

I think that covers it... :)
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: VU2624 on February 04, 2015, 12:14:03 PM
Capobianco went for the block and Anderson decided to windmill and moved the ball. The ball was being played. Shouldn't have even been a flagrant.
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: LaPorteAveApostle on February 04, 2015, 12:25:42 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/KmKxz4H.png)
(on the reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxBvUqLs_eU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxBvUqLs_eU))

[HD] Bobby Capobianco with the Cheap Shot of The Year on U of D Mercy's Doug Anderson (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8Ln87UScR4#ws)
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: a3uge on February 04, 2015, 12:52:25 PM
Do they still refer to him as a thug?
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: HC on February 04, 2015, 01:17:36 PM
that was a hard foul...a really hard foul.  Capo deserved what he got from that one.  No doubt it changed the momentum of the game in Valpo's favor though.
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: bbtds on February 04, 2015, 01:46:31 PM
Quote from: wh on February 04, 2015, 12:08:10 PM
Yep, it begins with that inexcusable, uncontested, showboat, disrespect-your-opponent dunk at the gun by little ray and ends with Dougy getting pounded into the ground on an inexcusable, uncontested, showboat, disrespect-your-opponent windmill dunk. What The Lord giveth, Capo taketh away...what goes around comes around...the perfect circle of life...poetic justice...the law of reciprocity...what's good for the goose...

I think that covers it... :)

I believe Laporte said that since the Titans had Minnewrath, the Crusaders now had Megawrath--I don't remember if that was Van Wijk or Capo.

(http://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/wrath-of-the-titans-contest.jpg)
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: LaPorteAveApostle on February 04, 2015, 03:53:22 PM
KVW.  thanks for remembering.  meme is gone because the site i made it with is now down. 

tres disappoint.
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: Kyle321n on February 04, 2015, 04:09:59 PM
For anyone who's on the fence about coming I'm sure this push you over!

[tweet]563095018718892032[/tweet]
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: wh on February 04, 2015, 04:33:40 PM
Looking forward to seeing Paris Bass tonight. IMO he and Tevonn are the 2 best all around Freshmen in the HL this year (not to discredit Oakland's guys or anyone else).
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: SanityLost17 on February 04, 2015, 04:34:52 PM
Quote from: sliman on February 04, 2015, 10:42:36 AM
Community apathy and more snow definitely will hurt tonight's attendance.  A realistic number in the seats might be as low as 2,100.  If you're there BE LOUD.

I disagree.  If you go, don't get loud.  Sit there quietly and enjoy the game. Over the past few seasons, Detroit seems to thrive on emotion.  It seems to be the only time they play well.  Could be why they always win at the ARC, because usually have a bigger crowd?  I am glad this game is on a snow covered Wednesday night.   A dead atmosphere means a a dead Detroit team. 
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: covufan on February 04, 2015, 04:41:53 PM
Quote from: SanityLost17 on February 04, 2015, 04:34:52 PMI disagree.  If you go, don't get loud.  Sit there quietly and enjoy the game. Over the past few seasons, Detroit seems to thrive on emotion.  It seems to be the only time they play well.  Could be why they always win at the ARC, because usually have a bigger crowd?  I am glad this game is on a snow covered Wednesday night.   A dead atmosphere means a a dead Detroit team. 
Interesting observation!  What do others think?
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: sliman on February 04, 2015, 04:45:41 PM
I'll try to be quiet then.  But if it's close, or there are bad calls or showboat moves I won't make any promises. 
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: a3uge on February 04, 2015, 04:46:30 PM
Quote from: SanityLost17 on February 04, 2015, 04:34:52 PM
Quote from: sliman on February 04, 2015, 10:42:36 AM
Community apathy and more snow definitely will hurt tonight's attendance.  A realistic number in the seats might be as low as 2,100.  If you're there BE LOUD.

I disagree.  If you go, don't get loud.  Sit there quietly and enjoy the game. Over the past few seasons, Detroit seems to thrive on emotion.  It seems to be the only time they play well.  Could be why they always win at the ARC, because usually have a bigger crowd?  I am glad this game is on a snow covered Wednesday night.   A dead atmosphere means a a dead Detroit team.

#science
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: hailcrusaders on February 04, 2015, 06:13:51 PM
I'll disagree -- I think we're overanalyzing. Here's why:


1. Detroit has beaten the past few games at the ARC because they outplayed us. Two years ago, we were up by 10 or 12 at the break, IIRC. I don't, however, recall a large, raucous crowd showing up at halftime that booed Detroit to a 55 point second half. The crowd was loud the whole game, we decided to stop playing D.
Last year, the score was about 58 to 56. That sure doesn't sound like an energy-feeding game to me, that sounds like a game against Wright St. in which neither team could hit the broad side of a barn.
2. The player turnover between now and two or three seasons ago has been substantial. I think Howard and Boutte were the only two to have played with Mac Jr. This isn't the same Detroit team that has beat us in past years.
3. If they do feed off of energy, why don't they win on the road more often?
4. Valpo doesn't draw *that* much many more fans than Detroit does. The atmosphere certainly is better at the ARC but I don't think it makes that much of a difference


I'll be cheering loud enough to make up for anyone sitting on their hands.
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: wh on February 04, 2015, 06:48:09 PM
You'll be happy to know that the team won't be getting too much energy from the fans tonight. Very sparse crowd 15 min. before tipoff. Maybe 700 people. Maybe lots of last min. arrivals.
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: oklahomamick on February 04, 2015, 07:28:33 PM
VASHIL doing everything!
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: truth219 on February 04, 2015, 07:32:48 PM
Our turnovers are killing us, very sloppy passes
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: classof2014 on February 04, 2015, 07:42:57 PM
Vashil be like bring the chips cause I be throwing a block party!
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: oklahomamick on February 04, 2015, 07:48:56 PM
Quote from: truth219 on February 04, 2015, 07:32:48 PM
Our turnovers are killing us, very sloppy passes

Same with Detroit...
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: truth219 on February 04, 2015, 07:51:36 PM
True statement,  I'd prefer to covert their turnovers into points
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: oklahomamick on February 04, 2015, 07:54:40 PM
Juwain and his 3's.....He's hit some big one's against Valpo. 
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: wh on February 04, 2015, 07:57:47 PM
A zone on Detroit's final possession for a wide open 3 by Howard?
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: govalpogo on February 04, 2015, 08:04:05 PM
Haven't seen any of the game, but looking at the stats it seems that all but four of their points have come by way of the 3!  And they have not attempted a FT.  Quite unique! 
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: wh on February 04, 2015, 08:05:06 PM
We expended a lot of energy guarding quicker people. Bass is returning. Hope we don't have another UIC 2nd half. When is KC coming back again?
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: a3uge on February 04, 2015, 08:15:56 PM
I'm sorry but what is Bryce thinking leaving Nickerson in to run the point?
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: oklahomamick on February 04, 2015, 08:18:58 PM
Juwain, another 3 to tie the game. 
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: oklahomamick on February 04, 2015, 08:21:11 PM
What the hell, 2nd half not looking good.  They have more energy on both ends of the field. 
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: truth219 on February 04, 2015, 08:30:05 PM
Valpo is waking up
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: oklahomamick on February 04, 2015, 08:52:26 PM
I don't like them hanging around 5pts with 4 minutes to go. 
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: govalpogo on February 04, 2015, 09:19:07 PM
Always like to beat Detroit!  Too many TO's tonight, but getting the W is what counts, well done.
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: VUfan on February 04, 2015, 09:23:25 PM
they did not Hang well!!!
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: classof2014 on February 04, 2015, 09:27:46 PM
When the season began many wondered who would score when Alec doesn't. Both Tevonn and Darien have stepped up huge and have been catalysts on offense as well as on defense. Not bad when Alec is overshadowed and still has 12 points, 10 boards, 4 assists, and 2 steals.
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: SanityLost17 on February 04, 2015, 09:28:08 PM
Nickerson = Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.

You just never know what you are going to get when he touches the ball.  Sometimes amazing things happen, but then... 
We are going to need him to play better on Sunday.  If this had been Oakland, we would not have been able to survive all of those turnovers and sloppy plays that interrupted the flow of the offense.

I have a lot of respect for Kampe, I am curious to see what his defensive scheme will be against us.  We have seen a wide variety since Carter went down with injury, and for the most part, we have found a way to win UGLY.       
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: oklahomamick on February 04, 2015, 09:32:11 PM
This sets up a big game against Oakland.  I hate to say it, but Kempe is the best in the league.  He will be prepared to stop our point guardless offense.  I wonder if they are going back to Oakland from Chicago or heading over to Valpo? 
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: LaPorteAveApostle on February 04, 2015, 09:51:20 PM
We. Are. Clutch:  Ended the game hitting our last 8 shots (2 3s) and 11 of our last 12.

Not every day the other team gets 12 more shots off, hits 4 more 3s, only is -4 on FTs...and loses by 8.

Nice to see the Jekyll Darien Walker too.  He doesn't show and we lose, with only 1 Walker and 1/2 a Peters to counter with...
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: vu84v2 on February 04, 2015, 09:59:13 PM
Besides great efforts from both Walkers, kudos to Bryce for switching to an extended zone.  Detroit took a long time to adjust to it and that made the difference from a 4 point deficit to a 7 point lead.
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: HC on February 04, 2015, 10:17:27 PM
Has Detroit never seen a zone before? If not, that's probably all they will see the rest of the year.

Also, I have now seen enough of Vashil dribbling to last me a good long while!
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: bbtds on February 04, 2015, 10:18:28 PM
(http://www.hullnumber.com/photos/numbers/nos/219.number.gif)


OVER


(https://amc219.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/maddie313.jpg)

UDM is dead for the season

that's a morgue marking.
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: valpo4life on February 04, 2015, 10:29:13 PM
To somewhat come to E's defense on the turnovers. Well, not really a defense, just comparison for Oakland Sunday. Detroit was trapping him with guys who were close to his size and very long. Against Oakland he should be able to pass easier over defenders. But the losing control while dribbling, that's a different story.
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: wh on February 04, 2015, 11:06:17 PM
I want to give some credit to Detroit.  They gave great effort, played very physical, shot FT's well, shot the 3-ball well, and had a good game plan to trap and double on Alec.  The last time I saw them play this well is when they smoked Oakland at home.  It will not be an easy game at their place.   
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: valpotx on February 05, 2015, 12:29:54 AM
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 04, 2015, 05:24:23 AM
meaning
--it almost happened last time?
or
--it is imminent?

...and was this someone on an internet message board?

Sorry, as someone else mentioned, 'was' meant that it almost happened when Loyola moved.  This was from someone in the administration, and he indicated that we had been told to expect an invite, but it never came.
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: LaPorteAveApostle on February 05, 2015, 04:25:27 AM
Quote from: valpotx on February 05, 2015, 12:29:54 AMwe had been told to expect an invite, but it never came
ridiculous.  what is this, a high school dance?
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: classof2014 on February 05, 2015, 09:35:22 AM
A few observations from last night's game:

EVN: Started the game off terribly, 2 turnovers on the first 2 possessions isn't how we want to start. There are still times that he looks like a fish out of water running the point; yet there are times that he shines. He made some big shots at the end of the game and had a few nice dishes as well. It was definitely nice to see him break through towards the end of the game as he did struggle at the start. He has come up huge though since KC went down to injury; he's an unorthodox point guard which gives teams trouble but at the same time his inexperience does bite him from time to time.

Tevonn: Making a case for FOY award, most times scoring goes down for a player, especially a freshman, once HL play begins. Tevonn has shined though. 19 points last night on 7-13 shooting, 5-6 from the FT line, 4 boards, 2 helpers, and 0 turnovers. Didn't Commish wonder why Bryce went to Canada for some recruits and expected this recruiting class to be a down year? Guess there's a reason why Bryce went all the way to Montreal.

Darien: Big game last night. He has been playing much better as of late. 21 points last night and sparked the run that one us the game scoring 8 consecutive points in a 75 second span. He is turnover prone, as he did turn it over 5 times but his defense has been strong and his ability to score in spurts was huge last night.

Alec: Effective as usual, quietly had a double-double, with 4 assists and a pair of steals. The turnover bug bit him too last night as he turned it over 4 times, which is unusual for Alec as he has been great handling the ball this season. He didn't need to score 25, he was incredibly effective, he does so much, and doesn't take poor shots and will pass it away if there's a defender in his face instead of chucking up a 3.

Vashil: He is a lock for defensive PoY in my opinion. He had 3 early blocks then Detroit didn't go inside on him the rest of the game basically. It is rare to see a player that can make a team so one-dimensional as Vashil. Forces team to take low-percentage perimeter shots. Detroit is a good shooting team, perhaps that worked into their favor a bit at times. He has been sure handed down low as well, which plagued him at times last season. He's not a big scorer but does score when need be. Detroit wasn't reluctant to foul him as he went 1 of 6 from the FT line, that's the only negative thing about Vashil his FT shooting can be down right bad at times.

David: Another freshman stepping up in a big way for Bryce. He has been overshadowed by the play of Tevonn but there aren't many things that he doesn't do well. He reminds me a lot of Rowdy and once he decides to score more he'll be very dangerous. He's good handling the ball, has great court vision, plays terrific defense, and is rarely out of position. Yesterday he had 4 points, 4 assists, and 3 steals in only 17 minutes of action.

Jubril: Playing much better in the HL, perhaps his suspension was a wake-up call. He now finishes down low and no longer misses his bunnies. He plays good defense. He got in foul trouble quickly last night and he has gotten into foul trouble many times. He's been playing much better, just needs to limit the fouling.

Max: Barely played in the OOC schedule. Since the injury to KC he's been very effective. I thought he would be a liability on the court but he isn't. Once KC is back he's a viable option at point to spell KC when he needs a breather.

Overall Valpo played well last night. Detroit hit their threes and that kept them in the game, they're one of the best 3 point shooting teams in the league. Bryce outcoached Ray last night, which is no surprise. He made an adjustment in the second half and that was ultimately the downfall to Detroit. As soon as they switched to the zone Detroit looked lost.

Big game coming up this weekend. We can't turn it over 20 times if we want to beat Oakland.
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: Kyle321n on February 05, 2015, 09:59:05 AM
A few points from this game:

-The Jekyll and Hyde performance of Nickerson is getting to be nerve racking. This game was the epitome of it. The first two possessions were just atrocious and I mentioned to my wife that Max was coming in soon. Sure enough there's Bryce talking to Max after the third possession and less than 2 minutes into the game he's in there running a slightly more competent point. Then when we need something late in the game, there's Nickerson hitting a huge three. We will need late game EVic to show up Sunday and the first 4 possession EVic can stay at home.

-Man am I glad the Walkers are on our team. After Saturday's game my dad had trouble believing that Tevonn was a freshman and he said he plays like a junior. He also said that VU's guards are build like fullbacks and I have to agree. These guys are stout, strong on the ball, and show no fear getting to the hoop. And I swear they are like second cousins or something, they have some crazy connection on the court that you usually see with guys who are related to each other.

-Peters quietly puts up nice games. Seriously is that the most unnoticed double-double in history? Unless you specifically watch him, sometimes it seems like he disappears, and I don't mean that in a bad way. He goes about doing what he does and there's no flash to it. When Rowdy or Dority would have a big game you would notice it because there was some zing to it. I love that Alec's game just melts into the rest of the play. Outside of the Oboard he had in the second half, I don't think I could seriously point to one of the rebounds and say "Oh yeah that one was big", yet they all were. And he had 12 points on 7 shots. And he led the team in assists. It's all just kind of silly.

-Vashil's free throws. How do they get worse as the year goes on? Early on I thought he had turned a corner and worked out at least one of the 12 hitches he has in his shot. Now it seems like he's hitchier and has a flatter shot than the end of last year. I didn't think that was possible. He needs to spend 8 hours one day just shooting free throws with someone watching to make sure he's at least got a little form on the shot. If that game was closer down the stretch, Hack-a-Vashil would have been a real thing and I can see us losing a close one on Vashil FTs. If he was a 70% FT shooter we would have won by 15 last night.

-Skara is just a better version of Yeo isn't he? I would love to see Skara vs. Oakland in the Yeo vs. Bader game. I mean his shot is pretty bad, but he can drive to the hoop and find open men when they collapse on him. And defensively, he's just so long. He's a pest on the ball and while he gets pushed around by bigger opponents, you can tell he's got a frame that can take on some bulk the next couple years. I'm excited to watch him develop into an all around player.

-Whoever the PA music operator is was getting a little sassy last night. Playing some pop hits that have a little punch in them. It was fun and a decent change. But we can lose the MP3 for "Livin on a Prayer". I don't know who likes that song and it's only got camp nowadays.

-Speaking of music this has been bugging me and it seems to be getting progressively worse. The pep band seems to be unaware of the actual flow of the game and the crowd general feeling. Many times they'll do a sped up, crazy fast version of "Rock and Roll" (you know what I'm talking with the "Hey, VU!") which is definitely a crowd pleaser, only to have 45 seconds left in the time out so they break out Mortal Combat. Honestly I'm not sure how much of the student body knows what that song is and anyone over the age of 35-40 probably has no idea. Why not play another round of "Rock and Roll". I love when the band has been cut off and the student section keeps singing the song all the way to completion. I understand not doing it when VU is about to shoot free throws, but how great is it when you're spelling out "V-A-L-P-A-R-A-I-S-O, let's go Valpo, let's go Valpo" when the other team is shooting? It's outstanding.

The other one that gets me is "Time Warp" from Rocky Horror. I never understood it's place or value at a basketball game and I can tell you when I was in the student section no one was singing along. The circles of people who go see Rocky Horror and those who go to basketball games probably has a very minuscule overlap.

But what took me over the edge last night was when Valpo had just retaken the lead in the second half and there's a time out. What does the pep band do? Go into a rousing (please note my sarcasm with the word rousing) rendition of the Pirates of the Caribbean theme. When well done it can be impactful, but it's not exactly a "get the crowd excited and on their feet" kind of song. I wish I had taken a video of it last night because the cheerleaders' reactions and "clapping" was perfect. Slow, methodical and droning, much like the song was.

I'm not a music person but I think just some subtle changes can help improve the gameday experience. I feel like last year and especially 2 years ago the pep band had slightly better music selection and judgement on what songs were appropriate for the moment. I don't know if they changed directors or if it's the batch of students in the band, but it's been kind of rough this year.
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: historyman on February 05, 2015, 10:10:45 AM
Quote from: wh on February 04, 2015, 07:57:47 PMA zone on Detroit's final possession for a wide open 3 by Howard?

Howard was standing near the first "r" in Homer Drew's signature when he hit that three before halftime. He must have been 4 feet or more from the three point arc. I think you let anyone shoot from there. He showed he could hit that shot but I have a feeling his % would be low if he shot from there often. He missed only one three last night.






Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: SanityLost17 on February 05, 2015, 10:31:17 AM
I thought Yeo was going to be really good by his junior year, but with his small frame, I think he would have still struggled for consistency this season. 

Would we have a worse record if Yeo had stayed?  After all, if he didn't leave, there would be no D. Walker on this team!   

My initial thought is that we would have lost 3-4 more games this season with Yeo.  I love having multiple thick physical guards.  It is almost like Bryce saw how beneficial Dority was and said, "screw it, no more thin guards, give me some bulk and I will teach them the rest!." 

Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: classof2014 on February 05, 2015, 10:31:35 AM
Quote from: Kyle321n on February 05, 2015, 09:59:05 AM

-Speaking of music this has been bugging me and it seems to be getting progressively worse. The pep band seems to be unaware of the actual flow of the game and the crowd general feeling. Many times they'll do a sped up, crazy fast version of "Rock and Roll" (you know what I'm talking with the "Hey, VU!") which is definitely a crowd pleaser, only to have 45 seconds left in the time out so they break out Mortal Combat. Honestly I'm not sure how much of the student body knows what that song is and anyone over the age of 35-40 probably has no idea. Why not play another round of "Rock and Roll". I love when the band has been cut off and the student section keeps singing the song all the way to completion. I understand not doing it when VU is about to shoot free throws, but how great is it when you're spelling out "V-A-L-P-A-R-A-I-S-O, let's go Valpo, let's go Valpo" when the other team is shooting? It's outstanding.

The other one that gets me is "Time Warp" from Rocky Horror. I never understood it's place or value at a basketball game and I can tell you when I was in the student section no one was singing along. The circles of people who go see Rocky Horror and those who go to basketball games probably has a very minuscule overlap.

But what took me over the edge last night was when Valpo had just retaken the lead in the second half and there's a time out. What does the pep band do? Go into a rousing (please note my sarcasm with the word rousing) rendition of the Pirates of the Caribbean theme. When well done it can be impactful, but it's not exactly a "get the crowd excited and on their feet" kind of song. I wish I had taken a video of it last night because the cheerleaders' reactions and "clapping" was perfect. Slow, methodical and droning, much like the song was.

I'm not a music person but I think just some subtle changes can help improve the gameday experience. I feel like last year and especially 2 years ago the pep band had slightly better music selection and judgement on what songs were appropriate for the moment. I don't know if they changed directors or if it's the batch of students in the band, but it's been kind of rough this year.

You know your team is good when we begin to dissect what the pep band plays!
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: Kyle321n on February 05, 2015, 10:42:25 AM
Quote from: classof2014 on February 05, 2015, 10:31:35 AM
Quote from: Kyle321n on February 05, 2015, 09:59:05 AM
-clipped-

You know your team is good when we begin to dissect what the pep band plays!

Well it kind of gets into the "how do we get more people into the ARC" discussion. If you have a lively band that plays songs that are familiar or crowd pleasing or something that gets you to sing or chant along, then you get the crowd more into the game. This causes for a more raucous and loud stadium and that's something that will really help amp up the atmosphere. It's bad when there are times while the pep band plays that from section C I can hear the creaky fans from the what I assume is 100 year old HVAC system in the ARC.
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: valpo84 on February 05, 2015, 10:52:31 AM
Kyle is right about Vashil's FT shooting. That shot's parabola is like 10% max. He needs to put some air in there and get near the optimum 52%, even 47% would drastically improve his chances. Additionally, he's firing the ball like my golf swing. He needs to take a few miles off the heater and some air in the parabola. Some video analysis from December to February would help him so he can see the difference. I'm sure they are working with him but game situations sometimes have us forgetting the work at the practice tee and reverting to bad form.

Here's an article on parabola's from a few years ago. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/15/AR2010031502017.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/15/AR2010031502017.html)
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: StlVUFan on February 05, 2015, 12:36:56 PM
Quote from: Kyle321n on February 05, 2015, 09:59:05 AMGo into a rousing (please note my sarcasm with the word rousing) rendition of the Pirates of the Caribbean theme. When well done it can be impactful, but it's not exactly a "get the crowd excited and on their feet" kind of song.

I was going to contradict you based on my experience at US Cellular Field, but then I remembered it's Thunderstruck that gets the crowd excited and on their feet.  During the Pirates theme, we're watching White Sox history on the video board.
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: LaPorteAveApostle on February 05, 2015, 12:40:52 PM
Quote from: Kyle321n on February 05, 2015, 10:42:25 AMWell it kind of gets into the "how do we get more people into the ARC" discussion
WE NEVER GET OUT OF THAT DISCUSSION
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: justducky on February 05, 2015, 12:44:30 PM
Quote from: Kyle321n on February 05, 2015, 09:59:05 AM-The Jekyll and Hyde performance of Nickerson is getting to be nerve racking.
Quote from: classof2014 on February 05, 2015, 09:35:22 AMThere are still times that he looks like a fish out of water running the point;
What Detroit does defensively has been giving our true point guards fits for years so his performance though disappointing was far from a shock. Not only did he have a quick, larcenous defender glued to him at all times but passing lanes to the rest of the team seemed to evaporate as soon as the ball touched his hands. They basically dared EVN to either beat them off the dribble or connect on some difficult over the top passes. I would think there are some counter measures for this but maybe Bryce didn't choose to roll everything out for this first meeting?

This was the type of defense where Keith (or Lexus) at point might have shined. Drives with runners, drives and dishes, and especially stop and pop 2 pointers might have forced Detroit into adjusting their defense.
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: Donjon VU07 on February 05, 2015, 12:47:48 PM
Quote from: classof2014 on February 05, 2015, 10:31:35 AM
Quote from: Kyle321n on February 05, 2015, 09:59:05 AM

-Speaking of music this has been bugging me and it seems to be getting progressively worse. The pep band seems to be unaware of the actual flow of the game and the crowd general feeling. Many times they'll do a sped up, crazy fast version of "Rock and Roll" (you know what I'm talking with the "Hey, VU!") which is definitely a crowd pleaser, only to have 45 seconds left in the time out so they break out Mortal Combat. Honestly I'm not sure how much of the student body knows what that song is and anyone over the age of 35-40 probably has no idea. Why not play another round of "Rock and Roll". I love when the band has been cut off and the student section keeps singing the song all the way to completion. I understand not doing it when VU is about to shoot free throws, but how great is it when you're spelling out "V-A-L-P-A-R-A-I-S-O, let's go Valpo, let's go Valpo" when the other team is shooting? It's outstanding.

The other one that gets me is "Time Warp" from Rocky Horror. I never understood it's place or value at a basketball game and I can tell you when I was in the student section no one was singing along. The circles of people who go see Rocky Horror and those who go to basketball games probably has a very minuscule overlap.

But what took me over the edge last night was when Valpo had just retaken the lead in the second half and there's a time out. What does the pep band do? Go into a rousing (please note my sarcasm with the word rousing) rendition of the Pirates of the Caribbean theme. When well done it can be impactful, but it's not exactly a "get the crowd excited and on their feet" kind of song. I wish I had taken a video of it last night because the cheerleaders' reactions and "clapping" was perfect. Slow, methodical and droning, much like the song was.

I'm not a music person but I think just some subtle changes can help improve the gameday experience. I feel like last year and especially 2 years ago the pep band had slightly better music selection and judgement on what songs were appropriate for the moment. I don't know if they changed directors or if it's the batch of students in the band, but it's been kind of rough this year.

You know your team is good when we begin to dissect what the pep band plays!

I AM a music person, but I'll abstain from any comments on the pep band or the music provided therefrom, except to say that the Pirates of the Caribbean theme is a middle-of-the-first-half song.  Or perhaps a we're-too-far-behind-in-the-game-for-it-to-matter song in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: Kyle321n on February 05, 2015, 12:53:16 PM
Oh the other thing I meant to mention

-Their shot selection. Ray Sr. (or his staff, I'm not sure which it is) for his faults maybe one of the better tactions in the conference. He allows his team to play sloppy and disjointed at times, but he get's them to buy into a game plan. Clearly they were not going to go inside against us, and that's wise. By percentage of points given up, we allow 34.1% of the point scored to come from three point range. That ranks as the 30th highest percentage in the country. By contrast we allow 45.1% of the points scored against us to come from inside the arc. Thats' the 24th LOWEST percentage in the country. (Our free throw rank, as one would expect with 2 extremes is right in the middle at 164th overall). Now that's not to say our 3 point defense is bad, because it's not. We're 3rd in the HL overall and in conference play we've got the best 3 point defense. It's that our defense inside the lane is just that good. Vashil altered easily half a dozen shots that he didn't get credit for blocking. Alec, Jubril and even Skara are hard defenders down low. And our guards don't allow teams to drive on them.

-Did anyone else think of Bob's Burgers during halftime?
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Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: HC on February 05, 2015, 01:07:21 PM
Alec's game would've been a lot bigger had his teammates not missed him 3 times when he was wide open.  Once in the first half at the top of the arc and twice in the second half.  What impressed me about him was that after those plays ended he let the player that missed him know where he was and that he was open, didn't show him up or get visibly upset, and left it at that. I did see a guy on Detroit who was hollering at his teammates when they missed him or when they took a questionable shot.  Maybe that works for them (although looking at results I'd say it doesn't).
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: a3uge on February 05, 2015, 02:20:59 PM
Vehemently disagree with the take on Living on a Prayer. But agree that the music selection on the PA is bad. Last year they were still playing the Harlem shake and Gundam Style. Agree with the pep band music selection too. I thought I heard them playing Happy by Pharrell, which was a good choice (or maybe that was on the Boisie State Utah State game I had on the other night?). But I remember complaining about the selection 5 years ago when they played the same 4 songs each time out. Can we please never play Crazy Train again? Let's not do the Time Warp again either. I think there was a thread on the old board about the pep band and things probably haven't changed much.

Another non-related basketball complaints:
* When can we get replays? I think every other home team does them...
* What was with the sound dying in the 2nd half?
* Todd's mic still sounds super distorted... but it seems better than the early days of the horizon league network. Todd does a good job though - he picks up on things quickly and is knowledgeable about the other team's roster. There's some absolute atrocious announcers in the HL; one of the Oakland announcers advocated fouling CSU when they were up ONLY ONE with 20 seconds left to force a 1 and 1. What a moron.
* Why does nobody use the game day chat anymore? Was it something I said?
* Where were all the students tonight? Pretty weak.

Couple basketball points:
* Bass has the ugliest, most awkward shot I've seen in awhile. Somehow worked tonight. He looked good driving.
* I totally forgot Brundrige or whatever his name is existed. He's scored 4 FG this year in conference. 4!
* Nickerson looked good offensively on two possessions. Other than that he was absolutely terrible. He's good on defense, but Bryce needs to stash him on the corner and let T Walker handle the ball. He's still way too raw and gets way too many minutes. Valpo lost their halftime lead with him in the game and once yanked, Valpo went on a big run. Max Joseph might not be the answer either - he has the highest TO% on the team, second to Nickerson, but has an incredibly low usage rate (lowest on the team). Joseph also has the lowest ORtg (second last to Nickerson). Nickerson's eFG% is the lowest on the team and his FG% is .405, only above Walker and Davidson. But in conference play, Max is playing better. 4.8 AST per 40 to 2.3 TOV. Nickersons is 4.0 to 4.7! Max Jo is actually 2nd in eFG% in conference while Nickerson is only ahead of Davidson (admittedly probably due to a low usage)
* Advanced stats are fun
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: valpopal on February 05, 2015, 02:28:47 PM

Last night's game reminded me once again how physical action can be in the Horizon League, as well as how Valpo has recruited more muscular players the last couple of years. Seemingly, heavy collisions happened on every drive to the basket, and most times a foul was not called. I don't fault the officials, who seemed fair and allowed the contact on both sides, but it offered evidence as to how important having strong players can be in this league.


Tevonn, Darien, and Alec especially got clobbered a number of times. In one instance, Tevonn made a basket but was hit hard in the jaw and came away holding his mouth, but Bryce just yelled at him to get back on defense, and he hustled to the other end of the court. On two occasions. Alec was knocked down and the Detroit players fell hard on top of him, but he pushed them away and raced to get into the defense. Even Skara was slammed to the court on one drive, and there was a sickening thud as his body hit the hardwood, but he jumped back up as quickly as he could.


I think this team is as strong as any the Crusaders have had. I am especially impressed by the toughness of Tevonn, who seemed dazed a couple of times during the game, and who appears to suffer a bruise or cut in every game, yet doesn't let it influence his play. Indeed, at the post-game press conference, though they had just won a big game, the players exhibited exhaustion in their facial expressions and body language, but they also seemed like victorious warriors.


Here are a few of my photos from under the basket:


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Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: vu72 on February 05, 2015, 02:49:20 PM
Quote from: valpopal on February 05, 2015, 02:28:47 PMLast night's game reminded me once again how physical action can be in the Horizon League, as well as how Valpo has recruited more muscular players the last couple of years.

Totally agree.  If basketball doesn't work out I'm sure our football coach would love to have some of these guys playing linebacker!

In years past we have had guys like Yeo, at 6'4", 180#  Will Bogan at 6'1" 175#, Ben Boggs at 6'4" 185#, Tommy Kurth at 6'1" 180#, and Jay Harris at 6'2" 155#.  Frankly I think those weights were inflated.  In contrast we now have "Big Ten" bodies out there in Darien Walker at 6'3" 215#, Tevonn Walker at 6'1" 195# and Max Joseph at 6'1" 205#

Max out weighs Will Bogan, for example by 30#!

I'm thinking back to what the Drake coach said after our win.  "Those guys are men"!!
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: valpopal on February 05, 2015, 02:54:07 PM
Quote from: Kyle321n on February 05, 2015, 09:59:05 AMVashil had 3 early blocks then Detroit didn't go inside on him the rest of the game basically.

Bored when the Detroit players stopped trying to go inside last night, Vashil decided to guard the official as well.  ;D

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Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: FWalum on February 05, 2015, 03:37:42 PM
Without Tevonn Walker scoring our first 6 points of the second half this game could have gone sideways in a hurry.  His first drive to the bucket at 1:10:35 on the ESPN replay shows what should have been an 3 point play.  Watching the press conference I was waiting for someone to ask if Tevonn had any teeth knocked loose.  He definitely got an elbow to the jaw, just watch his head snap back.  As mentioned by valpopal, this should have been a foul and reviewed by the officials, I don't know what the refs were looking at. This kid is fearless and every coaches dream. His second drive, an unbelievable stop and go move at 1:14:45, just about broke Chris Jenkins' leg.
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: agibson on February 05, 2015, 04:44:30 PM
Quote from: valpo84 on February 05, 2015, 10:52:31 AM
Here's an article on parabola's from a few years ago. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/15/AR2010031502017.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/15/AR2010031502017.html)

Fun piece!  Thanks for posting it.  He mentions several different arguments, and I'm having a little trouble connecting them.

He makes a "least force" argument, which he motivates for jump shops.  But then he applies it to free throws.  Is it clear that "least force" is an important criteria for free throws?

And, it's especially strange that he leaves behind his opening argument about entry angles into the basket, and the diameter of the rim when viewed from different angles.  That seemed to have legs.  Why did he lead with it, only to drop it?
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: agibson on February 05, 2015, 05:00:59 PM
Quote from: a3uge on February 05, 2015, 02:20:59 PMWhat was with the sound dying in the 2nd half?

What horrible technical problems they were having.  And it seemed like fixing them involved dialing up something on a modem!  Very strange.  And all of this was... dead air on the WVUR feed!  Probably for minutes at a time.

I guess these are growing pains of ESPN3 being our new regular broadcaster?  (Not to mention the debacle with American Sports Net, or whoever they are.)  But, what was wrong with HLN?  Where the kinks were pretty well worked out.  It'd be nice to get a candid explanation, or any explanation at all, sometime.

It was nice to have Todd synced with the video feed, when we could hear Todd at all.  But, technically, what a disaster.

The camera work was weird too.  Was it problems with one or more of the cameras?  Or was it certain angles?  The color palette would go out of whack every now and then.  And the brightness, for a while, seemed to change every time we panned past the scorer's table.

Definitely not the finest hour for broadcasting from the ARC.
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: a3uge on February 05, 2015, 05:07:15 PM
Gah thanks for reminding me about my #1 non actual basketball complaint... The under the basket camera needs to end ASAP!
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: agibson on February 05, 2015, 05:13:59 PM
Quote from: a3uge on February 05, 2015, 05:07:15 PM
Gah thanks for reminding me about my #1 non actual basketball complaint... The under the basket camera needs to end ASAP!

Yeah, there was that for sure.  I've not decided what I think about it.

And some weird cuts to the scorer's table etc. during action.  And at times it seemed that the producer wasn't in sync with Todd - it seemed like they wanted him to point out Homer, etc.

But, I count all of that stuff as minor compared to _losing audio_ for _minutes_ on end.  (Or, for the UIC game, losing audio _and_ video!).
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: justducky on February 05, 2015, 05:27:27 PM
Quote from: vu72 on February 05, 2015, 02:49:20 PMI'm thinking back to what the Drake coach said after our win.  "Those guys are men"!!
Men!! but "young men". Since Keith went down we have thrived with the play of 3 freshmen, 3 sophomores, 2 juniors and Vashil. Not only am I confident about our 15-16 chances but my 16-17 expectations have been growing by the game.
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: bbtds on February 05, 2015, 08:29:29 PM
Quote from: vu72 on February 05, 2015, 02:49:20 PMFrankly I think those weights were inflated.

About the only thing the Patriots do inflate are the weights!   ;)
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: VUfan on February 05, 2015, 09:02:57 PM
Todd has the best Radio Face in the Horizon League, haven't seen any better on the radio feed!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: LaPorteAveApostle on February 05, 2015, 09:49:59 PM
Quote from: a3uge on February 05, 2015, 02:20:59 PMWhy does nobody use the game day chat anymore?
yeah, i second, although i always seem too busy to watch live this year

Quote from: a3uge on February 05, 2015, 02:20:59 PMI totally forgot [Brundidge] or whatever his name is existed.
me too, and i'm a UM fan.  pretty far to fall...

Quote from: a3uge on February 05, 2015, 02:20:59 PMAdvanced stats are fun
totes
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: historyman on February 06, 2015, 01:26:28 PM
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 05, 2015, 09:49:59 PMQuote from: a3uge on February 05, 2015, 02:20:59 PM Why does nobody use the game day chat anymore? yeah, i second, although i always seem too busy to watch live this year

I just miss too much of the game. I'm not quite the typist that others of you probably are.
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: valporun on February 06, 2015, 01:29:52 PM
I agree with the comments about missing too much of the game, if I'm chatting at the same time. Also, with the games on ESPN 3, you don't get that little 'pop out' screen, and since the admins can't put the game on the chat window anymore, that hurts being in the chat room too. I should be in there on Sunday though, since I can see the game on Direct TV.

Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: bbtds on February 06, 2015, 01:45:39 PM
Quote from: VUfan on February 05, 2015, 09:02:57 PM
Todd has the best Radio Face in the Horizon League, haven't seen any better on the radio feed!!!!  ;D

I think we are all very lucky that Todd has a poker face instead of a TV face.

Although I only really ever hear him anymore on the highlights and the coach's show.
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: FWalum on February 06, 2015, 05:19:24 PM
Quote from: valporun on February 06, 2015, 01:29:52 PMsince I can see the game on Direct TV
What channel? Will it be on 665?
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: LaPorteAveApostle on February 06, 2015, 08:40:37 PM
Quote from: valporun on February 06, 2015, 01:29:52 PMAlso, with the games on ESPN 3, you don't get that little 'pop out' screen, and since the admins can't put the game on the chat window anymore, that hurts being in the chat room too.
bingo.  that's why...
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: vu72 on February 06, 2015, 08:57:36 PM
Quote from: historyman on February 06, 2015, 01:26:28 PM
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 05, 2015, 09:49:59 PMQuote from: a3uge on February 05, 2015, 02:20:59 PM Why does nobody use the game day chat anymore? yeah, i second, although i always seem too busy to watch live this year

I just miss too much of the game. I'm not quite the typist that others of you probably are.

Count me in here. I love you guys but it is too much of a distraction for my ADHD mind.  I just want to watch and enjoy!
Title: Re: UDM @ Valpo, Wednesday, 2/4/15 7:05 CST tip
Post by: valporun on February 06, 2015, 09:09:57 PM
Quote from: FWalum on February 06, 2015, 05:19:24 PM
Quote from: valporun on February 06, 2015, 01:29:52 PMsince I can see the game on Direct TV
What channel? Will it be on 665?


665-1, just after 665.