May as well get'er started...
Here are the results of the last 5 times we've played on February 13th:
2010 - Beat Youngstown, at Youngstown, 77-75
2009 - Beat Loyola in the ARC, 71-47
2003 - Beat Chicago State, at Chicago State 81-70
1999 - Lost to Youngstown, at Youngstown 61-60
1995 - Beat Northeastern Illinois Univ at NEIU, 87-78
1993 - Beat Northern Illinois at DeKalb 72-61
Over the past 20 years, 5-1, with average margin 9+ ppg.
Last loss at home on February 13 was 1988 to Northern Iowa 81-77.
Look at it another way.... in Game #26... we are now 22-7 after the OAK win over the past 29 seasons. Game #27 has not been good us... 9-19 over the past 28 years.... most of those have been on the road. The history of home games that are the 27th game on the schedule...
2012-13 - UDM 84-74 LOSS
2006-07 - WIU 80-56 WIN
2003-04 - Chicago State 74-66 WIN
2000-01 - IUPUI 64-56 LOSS
1999-00 - Youngstown 65-57 WIN
1997-98 - UMKC 75-65 WIN
1996-97 - Troy State 72-69 LOSS
1994-95 - Youngstown State 77-52 WIN, MidCon Tournament Round 1
So what's the results of games we played on Friday the 13th? Since 2002 I was only able to find 3 instances one of which was a February date.
Fri Feb 13, 2009 vs. Loyola Chicago W, 71-47
Fri Nov 13, 2010 @ Ball St. L, 88-78
Fri, Jan 13, 2012 vs. Youngstown St. W, 76-62
Let's hope that bad luck continues to befall Green Bay when they come to the ARC. If you remember, Brian Wardle injured himself getting off the bus here last year.
he fell and Valpo pounded them into submission without Alec Brown. Then there was that time before that with a missed free throw by Mr. Brown.....
Anyways, I will take Valpo by 3 63-60.
Valpo by 20!
Wear a valpo shirt and get a free general admission ticket. Tell me that wouldn't be fun!
Here's the 5-days-out-forecast...
Low Thursday night 2F
Friday day: More Clouds than sun, High 22F, winds SW 10-15PMH
Friday night: Increasingly windy with snow showers after midnight. Low 13F, winds WNW at 20-30 MPH, chance of snow 40%.
Similar to the last two games, I think that this game will be close with Valpo holding a 3-6 point lead towards the closing minutes. Valpo wins 71-66. If Carter does play, my guess is that he will play two 2-4 minute bursts in the first and second half. It would be doubtful that he is in game shape to play much more than that.
I will resist the urge to post the Naples 5-day.
(just imagine yours: "cold and colder!" and then take out the "c"s ; )
Sounds like the same conditions as last year when the Waddling Wardle appeared after slipping on some ice...
My Wisconsin cold makes the Spring Sweeter then your spring!!!
VU 76 UWGB 69 that's the truth ;D
If Carter's back I could see him getting the minutes that Max has gotten the last 5 games. I don't see Jubril, Peters, or Vashil's minutes dropping. I also don't think Keith is going to cut into Skara's minutes much either, but if Bryce wants to keep the Walkers out there for close to 30 a game then Skara's going to lose a bit. That's yet to be seen.
Taking a look at the last 4 competitive games (throwing out the Milwaukee result because that's atypical of this conference season) here's how the guard rotation has gone:
T. Walker- 31 mpg
D. Walker- 28 mpg
EVictor- 27 mpg
Joseph- 14 mpg
Skara- 22 mpg
For the Green Bay game I could see them splitting it up like this:
T. Walker- 30 mpg
D. Walker- 26 mpg
EVictor- 20 mpg
Joseph- 9 mpg
Skara- 22 mpg
Carter- 14 mpg
With Peters (34), Vashil (30), and Jubril (15) staying the same
Quote from: VUfan on February 09, 2015, 04:18:30 PM
My Wisconsin cold makes the Spring Sweeter then your spring!!!
VU 76 UWGB 69 that's the truth ;D
You mean this kind of spring? ;D
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If Carter is healthy enough to play, he'll play significant minutes. If there's a good risk of re-injury, he'll play 0 minutes. We'll find out if he's hampered by the injury and ineffective on Friday, but I don't think his minutes will be cut down if he plays.
I don't like trying to predict people's minutes. Bryce typically rides the hot hand. Yesterday against Oakland, Skara was playing an excellent game. Thus, he played 29 minutes which is a full 10 more than his average in conference games. Minutes will be dictated by how the game is going.
Quote from: a3uge on February 09, 2015, 04:40:37 PMIf Carter is healthy enough to play, he'll play significant minutes.
Maybe.
Keith has been out for a month and in his absence the team and the coaches have adjusted extremely well. So what happens if he feels the necessity to reestablish his team control over a group that has just went 8-1 without him and equally important is what happens if he doesn't? This is much trickier than many would think and in retrospect I can think of no similar situations where the transition has been seamless. On top of this even if the toe is 100% how long will it take the body to reach that 100% level as well? Timing, rust, communication will all be concerns. Barring a blowout my prediction gives him about 5 minutes on the floor tops and even that amount might prove to be counter productive.
Quote from: vu72 on February 09, 2015, 04:35:28 PM
Quote from: VUfan on February 09, 2015, 04:18:30 PM
My Wisconsin cold makes the Spring Sweeter then your spring!!!
VU 76 UWGB 69 that's the truth ;D
You mean this kind of spring? ;D
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that is close. .close to summer
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 09, 2015, 04:02:54 PMI will resist the urge to post the Naples 5-day.
OK LAA, I'll post the Naples 5-day for you...
tonight 7
tomorrow 31 and partly cloudy
tomorrow night -4 and partly cloudy
Wednesday, sunny and 20
Wednesday night, Clear and 1
Thursday 23 with afternoon snow showers
Friday 18 and snow (1-3")
you did mean Naples, Maine? Didn't you? Naples Italy is 55-58 and sunny all week.
Quote from: talksalot on February 09, 2015, 09:12:08 PMyou did mean Naples, Maine? Didn't you?
nope naples idaho
http://www.wunderground.com/weather-forecast/US/ID/Naples.html (http://www.wunderground.com/weather-forecast/US/ID/Naples.html)
Actually, it will get fairly cold down here--lows in the 40s some days coming up!
http://www.wunderground.com/weather-forecast/US/fl/Naples.html (http://www.wunderground.com/weather-forecast/US/fl/Naples.html)
I am unfortunately going to miss this game because of a benefit concert I've put together...ironically with a co-worker who's a UWGB alumna :/
Just wanted to point out that it's just Monday, and over half of section BB tickets are sold for this game. Sales are looking pretty good for it being the beginning of the week. Fully expecting our biggest crowd of the year. This week can't go by fast enough.
Hopefully we get a solid raucous crowd for this important game!
Valpo 77
GB 66
If Keith plays on Friday chances are he's practicing with the team this whole week. The team did adjust to having EVN be the primary PG but it shouldn't take terribly long for the team to readjust with Keith running the point. If he is back I doubt he'll play his normal amount of minutes due to being rusty after missing a five to six weeks.
Who knows maybe he has a career night as he was pumped up to be able to get back on the court, it doesn't happen often but it does happen. We have a great chance to make a statement on national tv on a Friday night. The race will come down to us and GB in the end.
I don't think Oakland and CSU are complete enough as teams to win the HL. CSU's defense is great but offense can be suspect at time while its vice versa for Oakland. Both Valpo and GB are the two most complete teams in the league. Whoever wins Friday night hosts the tourney.
I'd say if Keith Carter is playing then we win by 9. If he doesn't play then we'll win a nail biter by 1 point.
With KC or without, we win this one. We'll be ready.
Valpo 69
UWGB 60
In past years, I'd be more worried about the @Milwaukee game on Sunday. A real chance for a letdown after being up and prepared for GB on Friday. I think this team will be prepared for both games.
With KC playing major minutes expect a struggle. With KC playing minor minutes we win by 3.
I don't have a problem with him going on there and playing 6 minutes per half in a backup role to Nickerson. Any more than that will be a little much for his 1st game back. If I was him I would start slow by focusing on defense and creating opportunities for teammates. Don't be too aggressive with the drive just yet, and don't force/rush any shots from the outside. I could be wrong, maybe he is 100% and ready to roll, but I doubt that.
is it me, or do a lot of people think KC suddenly forgot how to play basketball in a month?
Quote from: covufan on February 10, 2015, 12:36:23 PM
In past years, I'd be more worried about the @Milwaukee game on Sunday. A real chance for a letdown after being up and prepared for GB on Friday.
The later in the season things get, the more frightening the basement dwellers become. It's not even the possibility of our team taking them lightly; it's the heights bad teams can reach when they've got nothing to lose and are willing to change their game plan. Those are the moments that one player (you know, the one who's 1 for 6 on the season from the 3-point line) decides he's "not going out like no punk" and finds superhuman accuracy from waaaaay downtown.
Surviving UIC only went so far towards allaying those fears. I'll be watching the Milwaukee/Oakland game closely. Talk about nothing to lose.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 10, 2015, 02:40:21 PM
is it me, or do a lot of people think KC suddenly forgot how to play basketball in a month?
Maybe I'm too used to thinking about soccer injuries, and the demands on the body are somehow less in basketball. But, he's been off a _long_ time. And off his feet for much of that. Maybe his brain hasn't forgotten, though I'm sure even there it takes time and reps to recover your match sharpness, but presumably his body _has_ forgotten. At least a little.
I'm not suggesting he'll come back and pick up right where he left off.
But a number of posters are suggesting that if he plays a lot, we will do more poorly as a team than if he didn't play. Which is silly. If that were really the case, the coaches certainly wouldn't be bringing him back for a make-or-break game.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 10, 2015, 03:14:45 PMBut a number of posters are suggesting that if he plays a lot, we will do more poorly as a team than if he didn't play. Which is silly.
He called me silly! :o Somebody hold him while I work him over a little and really give him the business. >:( >:(
Yes the more he plays the more I fear a loss (barring us blowing them out). The KC of early January will not return for at least 2 weeks and maybe longer. This will be just like when he was abducted by aliens ;) as the guy on the floor will look just like Keith but just not the Keith you were remembering or expecting. So if the game turns bad I hope Bryce fights the temptation of turning to the bench looking for an answer that has yet to return.
Just be patient. We are all glad he is back and he should be ready for a late season run.
At the D-I level, the last time Valpo had a conference game at the ARC while: 1) currently garnering votes in both the AP and Coaches Polls and 2) against another team that had a near top 50 RPI was when? Never?
Digging around a little, have we _ever_ been receiving votes in both polls simultaneously, before last week? I think the answer may be no.
Wow! Somebody let Aaron know! Or get a cross-check, at least.
http://collegepollarchive.com/mbasketball/ap/app_total.cfm (http://collegepollarchive.com/mbasketball/ap/app_total.cfm)
seems to have a comprehensive archive of he AP votes. And, I think we were _not_ receiving votes in the Coaches' poll at any of the times we were receiving votes in the AP. (Warren Nolan and the ESPN rankings page cover the relevant period.)
I didn't easily found as comprehensive of a source for the Coaches' poll. But, probably the only time we were in the top-25 was post-season 1998? #23.
Quote from: crusaderjoe on February 10, 2015, 04:04:48 PM1) currently garnering votes in both the AP and Coaches Polls and 2) against another team that had a near top 50 RPI was when? Never?
i would think B----r, right?
yep
http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2008-09/8594/25rv-butler-pulls-away-from-valparaiso-in-second-half/#.VNqNC1pp-LA (http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2008-09/8594/25rv-butler-pulls-away-from-valparaiso-in-second-half/#.VNqNC1pp-LA)
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Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 10, 2015, 04:50:14 PM
Quote from: crusaderjoe on February 10, 2015, 04:04:48 PM1) currently garnering votes in both the AP and Coaches Polls and 2) against another team that had a near top 50 RPI was when? Never?
i would think B----r, right?
Butler, CSU, and Valpo were all between 35 and 50 in various RPI ratings simultaneously in 2011. UWM (by beating Butler twice) was also in the top 100. It seems so long ago!
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 10, 2015, 05:00:22 PM
yep
http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2008-09/8594/25rv-butler-pulls-away-from-valparaiso-in-second-half/#.VNqNC1pp-LA (http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2008-09/8594/25rv-butler-pulls-away-from-valparaiso-in-second-half/#.VNqNC1pp-LA)
But this is backwards, right?
The current situation is that _we_ are receiving votes in both polls. And have a quality opponent remaining in conference play, and coming to the ARC.
Near as I can tell, Valpo has _never_ picked up votes in both polls simultaneously until this season.
Oren is doing his best to stir community interest by writing an article each day this week about past key games between Green Bay and Valpo. Here is an example citing Matt Kenney's big game topped of by the now well-known home run play called so often by Bryce: http://www.nwitimes.com/blogs/sports/valparaiso-university/valparaiso-green-bay-defining-a-rivalry-no/article_538fcaec-b178-11e4-a337-d7dda98d9a34.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/blogs/sports/valparaiso-university/valparaiso-green-bay-defining-a-rivalry-no/article_538fcaec-b178-11e4-a337-d7dda98d9a34.html)
Quote from: agibson on February 10, 2015, 05:27:55 PM
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 10, 2015, 05:00:22 PM
yep
http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2008-09/8594/25rv-butler-pulls-away-from-valparaiso-in-second-half/#.VNqNC1pp-LA (http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2008-09/8594/25rv-butler-pulls-away-from-valparaiso-in-second-half/#.VNqNC1pp-LA)
But this is backwards, right?
The current situation is that _we_ are receiving votes in both polls. And have a quality opponent remaining in conference play, and coming to the ARC.
Near as I can tell, Valpo has _never_ picked up votes in both polls simultaneously until this season.
Correct. That was backwards. I don't think we've ever held simultaneous votes during the regular season either, which would make the UWGB game historical simply in that respect.
I'll be rooting for Green Bay tonight, if nothing more than to see if VU can begin to control its own destiny as we close out the year.
What I'm hoping for in this game... KC comes back has a career night... 32 points, 11 assists, 10 boards, 4 steals, and only 1 turnover (he is human), as Valpo wins 89 to 58.
***back to reality***
What will most likely happens... KC comes back and plays well... 11 points, 3 assists, 4 boards, 1 steal, and 3 turnovers in 26 minutes of action as he splits time with EVN. There is still the chance that KC doesn't even play. If he plays he makes our team better, I don't think he'll be as rusty as people think. I'm sure he's been shooting in the gym and probably has been practicing for a while.
It does happen from time to time when a player comes back from injury and is so excited to be back on the court he has a career night. Obviously that's what I'm hoping for is a career night out of KC, chances are it'll be a rather pedestrian performance if he is back.
Lets put ourselves in Wardle's position when it comes to defending KC. First thing I tell my team is that we are going to challenge him physically, lots of ball pressure on the dribble, body up/bump on the drive, make him pick up the dribble and then maybe back off into the passing lanes and force him to put up some shots. If KC passes the test by showing enough quickness to get around his man and handles the physical contact while hitting a couple of shots then all is well. I am sure that Wardle will make it easy for Bryce to make the decision if KC is ready to play or not.
It looks like Paul's not the only one adding extra stories this week.
Osipoff, at the Post Tribune (with their new Chicago Tribune website) is in the act as well:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/post-tribune/sports/ct-ptb-mens-basketball-valparaiso-st-0211-20150210-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/post-tribune/sports/ct-ptb-mens-basketball-valparaiso-st-0211-20150210-story.html)
Wow Green Bay rallied to catch YSU and win 63-62 after trailing 58-48.
Does that affect psyche of Green Bay? Lovely road trip for them. YSU Wed. night and then Valpo Friday after. :lol:
Horrible spot for UWGB after unexpectedly battling YSU. Green Bay was terrible when the pressure was on last year, but this Valpo team hasn't really had a game this big. Hard to say which team is going to show up on both sides.
Quote from: crusadermoe on February 11, 2015, 09:28:00 PM
Wow Green Bay rallied to catch YSU and win 63-62 after trailing 58-48.
Does that affect psyche of Green Bay? Lovely road trip for them. YSU Wed. night and then Valpo Friday after. :lol:
This is the perfect psychic "storm" for Valpo. No defeat from which their opponent needs to recover, just delicious, unshakeable doubt.
I'm sorry but Green Bay is so overrated.
Quote from: Valpofan00 on February 11, 2015, 10:28:04 PM
I'm sorry but Green Bay is so overrated.
Not by the people who know the game, of course, because they're not prone to hyperbole. As a reminder, Valpo is the one with votes in the AP and Coaches' polls. Green Bay fans' opinions do not constitute "overrated". Green Bay is solid, but not unbeatable, like us. They've won the games they were supposed to and at least one they weren't.
Quote from: Valpower on February 11, 2015, 10:49:07 PM
Quote from: Valpofan00 on February 11, 2015, 10:28:04 PM
I'm sorry but Green Bay is so overrated.
Not by the people who know the game, of course, because they're not prone to hyperbole. As a reminder, Valpo is the one with votes in the AP and Coaches' polls. Green Bay fans' opinions do not constitute "overrated". Green Bay is solid, but not unbeatable, like us. They've won the games they were supposed to and at least one they weren't.
They almost lost to YSU tonight. I think that's why some people are saying they are overrated, or at the very least beatable.
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Quote from: a3uge on February 11, 2015, 11:22:47 PM
They almost lost to YSU tonight. I think that's why some people are saying they are overrated, or at the very least beatable.
No arguments on "beatable". The question is, who's saying they're great? At this point, preseason predictions and rankings are water under the bridge and not even their early-season defeat of a ranked opponent has currency. We almost lost to UIC and yet we've got votes in the two major polls. That sounds more overrated than anything I'm aware of about GB and yet I don't consider us overrated.
Green Bay pulled it out. Good. I personally wouldn't want it any other way. This sets up a monstrous conference game on Friday. Not to mention a potential classic epic trap game 40 or so hours later, but now I'm getting ahead of myself. First things first obviously, but it's an entire weekend of basketball really.
It will be interesting to see if Green Bay's RPI continues to hover around 50 when they come into the building on Friday.
Quote from: Valpower on February 12, 2015, 12:38:36 AM
Quote from: a3uge on February 11, 2015, 11:22:47 PM
They almost lost to YSU tonight. I think that's why some people are saying they are overrated, or at the very least beatable.
No arguments on "beatable". The question is, who's saying they're great? At this point, preseason predictions and rankings are water under the bridge and not even their early-season defeat of a ranked opponent has currency. We almost lost to UIC and yet we've got votes in the two major polls. That sounds more overrated than anything I'm aware of about GB and yet I don't consider us overrated.
I wouldn't call preseason rankings and predictions water under the bridge. Shifting expectations are a good way to always be depressed and disappointed at sports. I'm not going to argue that Valpo has had a better season than Green Bay or that UWGB isn't a top 10 mid major. I don't think anyone has argued that. Valpo shouldn't really be receiving votes in the top 25, but hey, they did. This is something nobody would have predicted at the beginning of the year, whether it's justified or not. Until we're alone in 1st, UWGB is still the team to beat - they're still in the vast majority of predicted brackets and were expected to finish 1st. But the position we're in with 5 games left has exceeded expectations of 90% of the board. I'm not going to play Lucy and the football and ignore expectations at the beginning of the year to depress myself.
GB nearly losing to YSU shows that on any given night anybody can beat anybody. YSU is arguably the worst team in the league while GB one of the best in the league. Force them to take outside shots, they are very beatable, they are an awful 3-point shooting team. YSU had one of their best games from the 3-point line going 10-18 wile GB was 5-17. Force GB to shoot can't let them get to the rim and score. We did that last game but our offense floundered and so did GB's.
Have an average to above average shooting night we should win. Our defense forces outside shots, that's not GB's forte. Thus our strength on D plays into their weakness. I think we match up well, we're on our home-court. I'd love to see us jump out to an early 10+ point lead, poor outside shooting teams have difficulty getting back into games where they're down a moderate deficit. GB did it against YSU but can they do it against one of the toughest defenses in the HL?
I'm extremely excited for this game, hopefully we step up in front of a national audience on a Friday night!
Quote from: crusaderjoe on February 12, 2015, 06:17:46 AM
It will be interesting to see if Green Bay's RPI continues to hover around 50 when they come into the building on Friday.
49 after the road win? But, for bracketing, what will matter is UWGB's RPI at the -end- of the season.
Quote from: agibson on February 12, 2015, 08:54:07 AM
Quote from: crusaderjoe on February 12, 2015, 06:17:46 AM
It will be interesting to see if Green Bay's RPI continues to hover around 50 when they come into the building on Friday.
49 after the road win? But, for bracketing, what will matter is UWGB's RPI at the -end- of the season.
Since we control our own destiny we want GB and CSU to keep their RPI as high as possible so when we play them it only helps our RPI. Despite nearly losing to a very inferior team, according to RPI a W is a W and they won't drop because of that.
Quote from: Kyle321n on February 12, 2015, 09:07:27 AM
Quote from: agibson on February 12, 2015, 08:54:07 AM
Quote from: crusaderjoe on February 12, 2015, 06:17:46 AM
It will be interesting to see if Green Bay's RPI continues to hover around 50 when they come into the building on Friday.
49 after the road win? But, for bracketing, what will matter is UWGB's RPI at the -end- of the season.
Since we control our own destiny we want GB and CSU to keep their RPI as high as possible so when we play them it only helps our RPI. Despite nearly losing to a very inferior team, according to RPI a W is a W and they won't drop because of that.
But if YSU would have won, their RPI would increase, causing our RPI to increase... BUT... Having a top 50 RPI win would look nice :p
Quote from: a3uge on February 12, 2015, 09:08:58 AM
Quote from: Kyle321n on February 12, 2015, 09:07:27 AM
Quote from: agibson on February 12, 2015, 08:54:07 AM
Quote from: crusaderjoe on February 12, 2015, 06:17:46 AM
It will be interesting to see if Green Bay's RPI continues to hover around 50 when they come into the building on Friday.
49 after the road win? But, for bracketing, what will matter is UWGB's RPI at the -end- of the season.
Since we control our own destiny we want GB and CSU to keep their RPI as high as possible so when we play them it only helps our RPI. Despite nearly losing to a very inferior team, according to RPI a W is a W and they won't drop because of that.
But if YSU would have won, their RPI would increase, causing our RPI to increase... BUT... Having a top 50 RPI win would look nice :p
I'm looking at our future schedule. Plus if we want to host the HL and play in the big tournament we're going to have to beat GB twice and CSU at least once. We won't face YSU again, so GB and CSU have bigger impacts on our RPI than YSU and UIC and the like.
Could haves and should haves......UWGB are two points away from being 6-4 instead of 8-2. 1 point against Valpo and 1 point at YSU.
Quote from: Kyle321n on February 12, 2015, 09:11:18 AM
Quote from: a3uge on February 12, 2015, 09:08:58 AM
Quote from: Kyle321n on February 12, 2015, 09:07:27 AM
Quote from: agibson on February 12, 2015, 08:54:07 AM
Quote from: crusaderjoe on February 12, 2015, 06:17:46 AM
It will be interesting to see if Green Bay's RPI continues to hover around 50 when they come into the building on Friday.
49 after the road win? But, for bracketing, what will matter is UWGB's RPI at the -end- of the season.
Since we control our own destiny we want GB and CSU to keep their RPI as high as possible so when we play them it only helps our RPI. Despite nearly losing to a very inferior team, according to RPI a W is a W and they won't drop because of that.
But if YSU would have won, their RPI would increase, causing our RPI to increase... BUT... Having a top 50 RPI win would look nice :p
I'm looking at our future schedule. Plus if we want to host the HL and play in the big tournament we're going to have to beat GB twice and CSU at least once. We won't face YSU again, so GB and CSU have bigger impacts on our RPI than YSU and UIC and the like.
That's true about facing UWGB or CSU an additional time, never thought of it that way... But having a cushion in the league would also be nice. I'm not sure another UWGB loss would mean that much - I ran a simulation of GB losing and winning to YSU. With a W, their RPI is 46, with a loss, its 57. Then I had Valpo beating the 46th RPI team at home (Michigan St lol) and the 57th team (Saint Marys) and the result was 59 RPI vs 60 RPI.
But, like I said, beating a top 50 RPI team would look good.
Quote from: classof2014 on February 12, 2015, 08:44:24 AM
GB nearly losing to YSU shows that on any given night anybody can beat anybody. YSU is arguably the worst team in the league while GB one of the best in the league. Force them to take outside shots, they are very beatable, they are an awful 3-point shooting team. YSU had one of their best games from the 3-point line going 10-18 wile GB was 5-17. Force GB to shoot can't let them get to the rim and score. We did that last game but our offense floundered and so did GB's.
Have an average to above average shooting night we should win. Our defense forces outside shots, that's not GB's forte. Thus our strength on D plays into their weakness. I think we match up well, we're on our home-court. I'd love to see us jump out to an early 10+ point lead, poor outside shooting teams have difficulty getting back into games where they're down a moderate deficit. GB did it against YSU but can they do it against one of the toughest defenses in the HL?
I'm extremely excited for this game, hopefully we step up in front of a national audience on a Friday night!
I think a little note for those that didn't catch the game is warranted. Sykes sat out much of the first half with a nasty gash over his left eye caused by an elbow from one of his own teammates. He did not score until the second half with most of it coming in the last 10 minutes.
Quote from: FWalum on February 12, 2015, 09:37:05 AM
Quote from: classof2014 on February 12, 2015, 08:44:24 AM
GB nearly losing to YSU shows that on any given night anybody can beat anybody. YSU is arguably the worst team in the league while GB one of the best in the league. Force them to take outside shots, they are very beatable, they are an awful 3-point shooting team. YSU had one of their best games from the 3-point line going 10-18 wile GB was 5-17. Force GB to shoot can't let them get to the rim and score. We did that last game but our offense floundered and so did GB's.
Have an average to above average shooting night we should win. Our defense forces outside shots, that's not GB's forte. Thus our strength on D plays into their weakness. I think we match up well, we're on our home-court. I'd love to see us jump out to an early 10+ point lead, poor outside shooting teams have difficulty getting back into games where they're down a moderate deficit. GB did it against YSU but can they do it against one of the toughest defenses in the HL?
I'm extremely excited for this game, hopefully we step up in front of a national audience on a Friday night!
I think a little note for those that didn't catch the game is warranted. Sykes sat out much of the first half with a nasty gash over his left eye caused by an elbow from one of his own teammates. He did not score until the second half with most of it coming in the last 10 minutes.
His team was also up by as much as 13 in the first half with him out. He reentered during YSU's spurt to take the lead into halftime and was on the court the whole second half. Him missing some time in the first half didn't change the game much at all really.
Quote from: classof2014 on February 12, 2015, 08:44:24 AMGB nearly losing to YSU shows that on any given night anybody can beat anybody. YSU is arguably the worst team in the league while GB one of the best in the league. Force them to take outside shots, they are very beatable
I think that was Bryce's game plan in Green Bay. We packed it in. Or in soccer we say, "park the bus in front of the goal."
Quote from: Kyle321n on February 12, 2015, 09:11:18 AMWe won't face YSU again, so GB and CSU have bigger impacts on our RPI than YSU and UIC and the like.
Just to make sure I follow you, it's because we're unlikely to see YSU or UIC in the tournament that GB and CSU's RPI matters more, right?
We'll play all of these teams twice in the regular season. Some we've already played twice, some not yet. We have this slightly funny (not crazy) way of calculating RPI where we include teams we've already played, but not teams that we _will_ play. But, it's the record of _all_ of our opponents, and our opponents' opponents, at the _end_ of the season that goes into the final RPI calculation that the selection committee will see.
No matter what if we win the rest of our games we're probably gonna be a 12. It'll definitely have at the very least a win against GB and CSU on the road, and probably a second against GB. This team is much better than the tournament team two seasons ago, we were a 14. GB and CSU aren't going anywhere and I don't think their RPIs will be effected a whole lot barring a collapse from either squad.
Not to mention we could have wins over two other possible tournament teams in IPFW and MSU... Those will also look very good on our resume.
Quote from: classof2014 on February 12, 2015, 11:17:21 AM
No matter what if we win the rest of our games we're probably gonna be a 12. It'll definitely have at the very least a win against GB and CSU on the road, and probably a second against GB. This team is much better than the tournament team two seasons ago, we were a 14. GB and CSU aren't going anywhere and I don't think their RPIs will be effected a whole lot barring a collapse from either squad.
Not to mention we could have wins over two other possible tournament teams in IPFW and MSU... Those will also look very good on our resume.
Disagree strongly with this being a better team than 2013. For one, the season isn't close to over and our RPI is still in the 80's. Way, way too early to say that. Two, the 2013 team finished with the best RPI in the history of the program, hosted, and won the conference and had probably the best player since Bryce Drew on the team. That team was absolutely shafted on both its seed and opponent. Pretty much every top team won their conference that year as well. Seeding is a bit of a crapshoot at this point still - maybe Wofford and SFA lose to Mercer and Sam Houston. These things could shift the Horizon team up or down a couple seeds.
Quote from: a3uge on February 12, 2015, 12:07:14 PM
Quote from: classof2014 on February 12, 2015, 11:17:21 AM
No matter what if we win the rest of our games we're probably gonna be a 12. It'll definitely have at the very least a win against GB and CSU on the road, and probably a second against GB. This team is much better than the tournament team two seasons ago, we were a 14. GB and CSU aren't going anywhere and I don't think their RPIs will be effected a whole lot barring a collapse from either squad.
Not to mention we could have wins over two other possible tournament teams in IPFW and MSU... Those will also look very good on our resume.
Disagree strongly with this being a better team than 2013. For one, the season isn't close to over and our RPI is still in the 80's. Way, way too early to say that. Two, the 2013 team finished with the best RPI in the history of the program, hosted, and won the conference and had probably the best player since Bryce Drew on the team. That team was absolutely shafted on both its seed and opponent. Pretty much every top team won their conference that year as well. Seeding is a bit of a crapshoot at this point still - maybe Wofford and SFA lose to Mercer and Sam Houston. These things could shift the Horizon team up or down a couple seeds.
I guess I meant if this team wins out, I'd say they're better than the 13 team. Think about it before the season began we lost Lexus, many thought the injury would be a significant blow to the season, it hasn't. At the beginning of the conference season we lost KC for a 5 or so weeks, many thought that would be a significant blow to the conference season, it hasn't.
You take away EB, who I compare to KC, the team doesn't win the conference or go to the tournament. We're a deeper team this season with more athleticism. I do think this team can be significantly better than the 13 team. If they don't get to the tourney, then without a doubt its the 13 team that reigns supreme.
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 12, 2015, 10:02:45 AMOr in soccer we say, "park the bus in front of the goal."
Funny to try to imagine a basketball game where you would literally play 70+% defense, like happens sometimes in soccer.
Baskets would have to be made a lot rarer for it to be effective. 15' rim, maybe?
And draws, you'd need a draw as a possible consolation prize.
Quote from: classof2014 on February 12, 2015, 12:26:13 PM
Quote from: a3uge on February 12, 2015, 12:07:14 PM
Quote from: classof2014 on February 12, 2015, 11:17:21 AM
No matter what if we win the rest of our games we're probably gonna be a 12. It'll definitely have at the very least a win against GB and CSU on the road, and probably a second against GB. This team is much better than the tournament team two seasons ago, we were a 14. GB and CSU aren't going anywhere and I don't think their RPIs will be effected a whole lot barring a collapse from either squad.
Not to mention we could have wins over two other possible tournament teams in IPFW and MSU... Those will also look very good on our resume.
Disagree strongly with this being a better team than 2013. For one, the season isn't close to over and our RPI is still in the 80's. Way, way too early to say that. Two, the 2013 team finished with the best RPI in the history of the program, hosted, and won the conference and had probably the best player since Bryce Drew on the team. That team was absolutely shafted on both its seed and opponent. Pretty much every top team won their conference that year as well. Seeding is a bit of a crapshoot at this point still - maybe Wofford and SFA lose to Mercer and Sam Houston. These things could shift the Horizon team up or down a couple seeds.
I guess I meant if this team wins out, I'd say they're better than the 13 team. Think about it before the season began we lost Lexus, many thought the injury would be a significant blow to the season, it hasn't. At the beginning of the conference season we lost KC for a 5 or so weeks, many thought that would be a significant blow to the conference season, it hasn't.
You take away EB, who I compare to KC, the team doesn't win the conference or go to the tournament. We're a deeper team this season with more athleticism. I do think this team can be significantly better than the 13 team. If they don't get to the tourney, then without a doubt its the 13 team that reigns supreme.
If we win out, yes... But if we make it to the elite 8 we'll be better than the 1998 team as well :p
Not exactly a lot of avid fans over on the GB board. There isn't even a thread established for our game. Something like 11 posts for the near disaster game at YSU. But then again, how could you expect any sort of fan following when the school only has 7000 students! ;)
Quote from: vu72 on February 12, 2015, 02:51:36 PM
Not exactly a lot of avid fans over on the GB board. There isn't even a thread established for our game. Something like 11 posts for the near disaster game at YSU. But then again, how could you expect any sort of fan following when the school only has 7000 students! ;)
I was about to make the same post! LOL
Valpo, by far, has the strongest fanbase in the HL!
Quote from: classof2014 on February 12, 2015, 02:56:33 PMI was about to make the same post! LOL Valpo, by far, has the strongest fanbase in the HL!
I would agree. The problem is that a lot of our alumni do not live around campus like most of the HL schools. If all the fans watching from 1,000 miles away were at the ARC it would look better.
Did I read a few post up about an Erik Buggs/Keith Carter comparison? I liked Buggs as much as anyone else, but if he had half the offensive skills Keith has.....
Great game to have on ESPN2. I hope that playing on Friday night means that a big crowd of students will put away their cellos, cappuccinos, and brie for one night and go big!
Rock it like the Butler games. It's free entertainment nationally televised, and you have a snowstorm.
Interview with AP:
http://www.horizonleague.org/blog/interview-alec-peters- (http://www.horizonleague.org/blog/interview-alec-peters-)
Under rated, over rated no mater just talk, just count wins this time of year the only real talk. Soon we will be into the one and done season. Lets make this a year for the seasons. :)
Quote from: wh on February 12, 2015, 06:13:56 PMInterview with AP:
that wasn't the associated press at all
Valpo 3.5 point favorite.
I think this will be a fairly big weekend for prospective students visiting campus. Hopefully some are able to make it to the game! The atmosphere, and hopefully the result, should leave a positive impression.
Friday: MSEED Scholarship Day
Friday: Honors Student Night for admitted Christ College students
Saturday: Honors Student Day for admitted Christ College students
Saturday: Chemistry Scholarship Program
Monday: President's Day visitors to the Welcome Center
All weekend: Music Auditions
All weekend: Founders Scholarship Interviews
GB Press Gazette game day story:
http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/sports/college/uwgb/2015/02/12/uwgb-men-valparaiso-expect/23319057/ (http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/sports/college/uwgb/2015/02/12/uwgb-men-valparaiso-expect/23319057/)
"We have nothing to lose," Wardle said about Friday's game. "The pressure has been on us all conference, every game. This is the first one I feel. ... I told the team we have no pressure. We are going in there to play. We are going to go in there and be aggressive. They have pressure. They have to win this game at home."
Apparently, Wardle is an amateur psychologist on the side. ;)
Here's the "pressure" reality. If GB loses this game, they no longer control their own destiny. Their upcoming games against CSU and Oakland would be absolute must-wins, plus we would have to lose to CSU. This scenario is what's on the line tonight for GB. Wardle knows it, but he also feels the pressure building. They won by an eyelash at YSU less than 48 hours ago and then drove to Valpo, where they're sitting around in a hotel waiting, and thinking... 'We were behind the entire game at YSU until the very end. Now we have to go into the dreaded ARC and beat a team we were very lucky to beat at home, a team that's on a roll, a team with more talent, a team with a better coach, a team that almost never loses at home - and do it on national TV with the whole world watching.' Nope, no pressure there. None at all...
Thats just coach talk. Both teams need to win this game in a bad way. Should be a great atmosphere tonight! :thumbsup:
On game day, Pomeroy currently has Valpo ranked 59 and Green Bay ranked 60. The ratings are Valpo .760, GB .759. They could hardly be closer.
I hope we have a lot of walk up fans tonight. Plenty of tickets left.
This is as close to a must-win game for us as you can get if we want to win conference. Wardle has a point, but maybe he's saying that because the stage was too big for his team last year when it counted? This is the biggest conference home game Valpo has played since maybe 2012 vs Detroit with a completely different team. This is also the biggest conference game UWGB has played in awhile, maybe since 2012 when they got slaughtered by Valpo when they could have secured a bye. I really don't know if Valpo can handle the pressure, but we don't really know if UWGB can either. When it counted last year, UWGB choked against UWM. They shot 35.0% from the field and 21.4% from 3. But when it counted for Valpo, they couldn't get past their first game either. After this GB plays 3/4 games at home with a road game against UIC. They'll hold the tiebreaker over Valpo and could have the Horizon locked up. Valpo, on the other hand, will have 3/4 on the road, including a tough game road game vs Cleveland State. Maybe UWGB will play loose and Valpo will come out tight and commit a bunch of turnovers. Maybe Valpo will feed off the crowd energy and UWGB will crumble under the lights. Whatever it is, these are still two of the top mid major teams in the country and we should see a good game (hopefully better than last time).
Quote from: truth219 on February 13, 2015, 09:36:34 AM
I hope we have a lot of walk up fans tonight. Plenty of tickets left.
I was thinking the same thing. A few minutes ago there were still 162 seats left in the lower bowl but decent sales up stairs. Weather seems to be OK for tonight.
We can split hairs anyway we want, but this is as close to a must win for both teams as you can get. It's do or die for Valpo, and I expect we will come out and play with amazing focus and intensity. If GB doesn't match that, they could be down by double digets by the first media timeout. Wardle can portray this anyway he wants, he can take the the team to the Valpo Y for a yoga class, whatever. This will be a pressure-packed game regardless in the most hostile environment they've played in all year.
I am nervous about this game, mostly because of their experience. I am curious to see how the younger guys handle the pressure. Regardless of the outcome, I think it is safe to say that there will be several "toss up" games in the HL tournament (no matter who ends up hosting).
Quote from: SanityLost17 on February 13, 2015, 11:25:29 AM
I am nervous about this game, mostly because of their experience. I am curious to see how the younger guys handle the pressure. Regardless of the outcome, I think it is safe to say that there will be several "toss up" games in the HL tournament (no matter who ends up hosting).
I have to admit that watching them handle the pressure against YSU the other night was very interesting. There was a marked difference between the two teams. YSU just got tighter and tighter while GB seemed to play with a lot of confidence. I hope it is not a 1 or 2 possesion game during that final minute. Not that we can't handle it, but I do think they have a slight advantage in that area.
From both of the Valpo gameday articles,it sounds unlikely to me that we'll see much, if any, of Keith Carter.
Still limited in practice as of... Wednesday? Thursday AM?
I don't know what incentive Bryce would have to save him as a surprise. But, I suppose Wardlevseems has to prepare for his possible presence, either way.
Valpo-Green Bay game discussed in the SI.com Mid-Major Report for the week. Author also talks about Murray State's Cameron Payne....http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2015/02/13/mid-major-cameron-payne-murray-state (http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2015/02/13/mid-major-cameron-payne-murray-state)
"Feisty" - interesting description for the ARC Atmosphere...
Those abrasive links mid-article are "Feisty"
Quote from: a3uge on February 12, 2015, 08:15:34 PM
Valpo 3.5 point favorite.
Line has moved to -2.5, heavy bettors loving GB and the points.
Quote from: valpo84 on February 13, 2015, 01:19:37 PM
Valpo-Green Bay game discussed in the SI.com Mid-Major Report for the week. Author also talks about Murray State's Cameron Payne....http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2015/02/13/mid-major-cameron-payne-murray-state (http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2015/02/13/mid-major-cameron-payne-murray-state)
I don't agree that Alec will have to play his best for Valpo to win this game. You have to believe that Sykes has to play his best but Valpo definitely has the offensive fire power to win with out a lot of scoring from Peters. Darien, Tavonn, Vashil, Jubril, Keith, E.Victor and David are all capable of increasing their scoring to compensate for any lesser scoring from Alec. Even when Alec doesn't have his best game he seems to do just enough scoring to put Valpo over the top and do the important things that bring victories.
Quote from: bbtds on February 13, 2015, 01:44:05 PMEven when Alec doesn't have his best game he seems to do just enough scoring to put Valpo over the top and do the important things that bring victories.
Alec Peters > 9 pts: Valpo 21-0
Alec Peters < 10 pts: Valpo 1-4 (the one win being Trinity Int'l, when he played all of 18 minutes)
PUT THE BALL IN THE HOOOOOOP
Valpo scores more than 50 points, 22-1
Valpo scores less than 50 points, 0-2
The exceptions? Our loss to UWGB 51-50, and the overtime loss to Oakland 89-75.
You must score points to win!
Also, the team with more points wins!
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 13, 2015, 02:33:59 PM
Quote from: bbtds on February 13, 2015, 01:44:05 PMEven when Alec doesn't have his best game he seems to do just enough scoring to put Valpo over the top and do the important things that bring victories.
Alec Peters > 9 pts: Valpo 21-0
Alec Peters < 10 pts: Valpo 1-4 (the one win being Trinity Int'l, when he played all of 18 minutes)
PUT THE BALL IN THE HOOOOOOP
In his career Valpo is 10-9 when Alec goes for 9 or few points (we won when he was scoreless last year against Detroit, I forgot that game). We are 30-11 in games he has double figures. Let's have Alec get his 10-15 points and let someone who isn't getting hounded get 20-25 points.
Pretty disappointing ticket sales. Still 105 seats in the lower level seats.
Quote from: Kyle321n on February 13, 2015, 03:34:36 PMLet's have Alec get his 10-15 points and let someone who isn't getting hounded get 20-25 points.
This is more in line with what I was thinking.
Alec always seems to get his 10-15 points no matter what. He doesn't necessarily have to get his average or play his best.
Here's the quote from the SI story:
If the Crusaders are going to split the season series, they'll need Peters to play his best.
Quote from: bbtds on February 13, 2015, 04:35:24 PM
Quote from: Kyle321n on February 13, 2015, 03:34:36 PMLet's have Alec get his 10-15 points and let someone who isn't getting hounded get 20-25 points.
This is more in line with what I was thinking.
Alec always seems to get his 10-15 points no matter what. He doesn't necessarily have to get his average or play his best.
Here's the quote from the SI story:
If the Crusaders are going to split the season series, they'll need Peters Nickerson to play his best.
FTFThem
Quote from: vu72 on February 13, 2015, 03:52:05 PM
Pretty disappointing ticket sales. Still 105 seats in the lower level seats.
It's fine most of the sales are gonna come from walk ups anyways.
Quote from: Valpofan00 on February 13, 2015, 04:59:14 PMIt's fine most of the sales are gonna come from walk ups anyways.
We've not demonstrated, this season at least, that there's too much need to buy tickets upstairs in advance.
Looks like the bowl's pretty much sold. With a goodly number upstairs already sold (600?). They're selling AA, which always catches my attention. Maybe I should try out EE one of these days.
Hopefully a good crowd! Some of the families here visiting the university seemed aware of the game.
KC tweeted something about being frustrated a few hours ago. Nothing from PO regarding his status. For what that's worth.
Student section half full 30 min before tipoff. Very good sign.
Quote from: hailcrusaders on February 13, 2015, 05:22:09 PM
KC tweeted something about being frustrated a few hours ago. Nothing from PO regarding his status. For what that's worth.
From PO twitter.
Paul Oren @NWIOren · 36s 36 seconds ago
Keith Carter is OUT. #HLMBB
Quote from: agibson on February 13, 2015, 05:13:11 PM
Quote from: Valpofan00 on February 13, 2015, 04:59:14 PMIt's fine most of the sales are gonna come from walk ups anyways.
We've not demonstrated, this season at least, that there's too much need to buy tickets upstairs in advance.
Looks like the bowl's pretty much sold. With a goodly number upstairs already sold (600?). They're selling AA, which always catches my attention. Maybe I should try out EE one of these days.
Hopefully a good crowd! Some of the families here visiting the university seemed aware of the game.
Just checked the ticket site. Can't get two together other then a few places in the corners of the lower bowl. Upstairs moving along well, particularly in CC. Twenty minutes till tip and of course some will be late!!
Hope KC isn't too upset.....we need him
Score prediction: Valpo 21, UWGB 20
Upper deck comfortably full, not sardine level.
Row in front of us empty.
Sight lines slightly better in aa, over ee?
If we don't start limiting these TOs, we'll let GB stay in this game.
Green Bay playing much better than they did when we played last time.
Wish refs would call the grabbing and hand checking.
Some sort of record for first half TOs and we still are in the lead. I like our chances. Good crowd!
Shooting quite well...BUT 14 TO's is outrageous. Settle down and keep it going on D.
I hate to point the finger, but some of the TO's are caused by the fouling that's going on every time we drive the lane. Give credit to Green Bay D especially from the 10 minute mark on.
Ugly half by both teams.
Valpo is forcing too many drives down the lane and the refs are not giving enough foul calls on those drives. I really wish the Crusaders would shoot some more open threes to open up the lane. If it weren't for two terrific acrobatic moves by two of the Valpo freshmen, Joseph and Skara, it would be a lot closer. I really hope we attempt more threes.
Quote from: bbtds on February 13, 2015, 06:58:10 PM
Valpo is forcing too many drives down the lane and the refs are not giving enough foul calls on those drives. I really wish the Crusaders would shoot some more open threes to open up the lane. If it weren't for two terrific acrobatic moves by two of the Valpo freshmen, Joseph and Skara, it would be a lot closer. I really hope we attempt more threes.
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Sure, if they were open. Let's face it, GB is the best defensive team we have played all year. alec has had one marginal shot. That says it all.
Very physical game, not sure what the criteria is for getting a foul called. Really surprised that a lot of people, even Todd don't understand the reason for some of the late foul calls. Most college refs will wait for the outcome of a play before the make the foul call unless the foul is undisputed. So if the contact causes a change in what the ref perceives to be the obvious outcome then the call is made. Have had many of a conversation with the zebras concerning this "subjective" method. Tonight, however, I think there have been a number of missed calls on both sides of the ball. Players of this caliber do not suddenly lose control of the ball on the shot this many times unless the arm is hit or held.
This team is not very good at the entry pass. Where are some of those KVW clear out a side and throw it over the top.
Alec with 10!
What the heck was that?? Sykes runs into a brick wall!!
So, when we get 51 we're mathematically guaranteed to win. That's how statistics work, right?
Sykes has zero shot at the NBA.
Might be a little home cooking happening. I do think that Sykes has some legitimate beef on some of these no calls.
Quote from: agibson on February 13, 2015, 07:26:41 PM
So, when we get 51 we're mathematically guaranteed to win. That's how statistics work, right?
Not really. But, based on previously stats, you should bet the mortgage on getting the win. Or the 11 point lead.
This is exactly what happened in the YSU game. GB chipping away at the big lead and keeping their cool.
Where was the alley- oop there? Surely Alec could throw it down.
Quote from: FWalum on February 13, 2015, 07:36:27 PM
This is exactly what happened in the YSU game. GB chipping away at the big lead and keeping their cool.
Um, but that was Slocum and YSU!
Refs still owe us a point, right? They counted walkers 3 as a 2 but clearly a 3. Give it to us already. It's been 3 minutes and two timeouts.
Ask and ye shall receive.
Seemed a really clear 3. Got the crowd up for sure!
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 13, 2015, 07:50:18 PMRefs still owe us a point, right? They counted walkers 3 as a 2 but clearly a 3. Give it to us already. It's been 3 minutes and two timeouts.
Finally. Shouldnt have been questioned.
Big 1 and 1 for E.victor who just got in from a lng amount of time on the bench. First one s huge.
And he missed the front end of the 1-1 and then another....making this a game.
Nah, no game.
But vashils not coming back in.
Alec on the inbound... Tevonn streaking. Not this time.
Four missed FTs in a row. Just when we were having a decent FT game.
Quote from: agibson on February 13, 2015, 08:03:02 PM
Nah, no game.
But vashils not coming back in.
Wasn't supposed to be... Dang it.
Surely not..... :o
Give GB credit - they don't give up.
Valpo wins! Valpo wins!
Wow. We let them get back in the game, but we came away with a victory. Good job, team!
Quote from: agibson on February 13, 2015, 08:15:02 PM
Valpo wins! Valpo wins!
WHEW!!!
The end of that game did not feel good at all.
EDIT: I should have left the word "close" out of my signature. ;) At least we are getting the "wins!"
A good win. Though it seemed like we wanted to give it away at the end. Best start in school history!
Left the office at 7:00 CT, tuned in at 8 expecting to catch the second half. Whoops. Looks like I missed a really good one ... damn.
I'll be at Sunday's game in Milwaukee, that'll have to make up for it.
GO VALPO
Detroit is up 15 on Cleveland State right now...
A swig from the bottle hidden in the bottom drawer of my desk and I'm feeling a bit better! Got that W and that's all that counts. 1/2 this weekend, we need to see 24-4 on Monday.
Detroit is choking, lead to 4 with Cleveland State at the foul line.
Wonder who those scouts where most impressed wit tonight? Tevonn is tough. Dude gets crushed every game and doesn't miss a beat. Sykes, plays whole game with an injury then sits in crunch time. Who would you want? Alec doesn't quit. 0pts 0rbs in first half and gets a double double (we will ignore those two kissed FTA since we won)!
See you guys in Milwaukee!
The story on Tevonn's 3... One official told the official scorer to mark it as a 3. A different official told the clock operator to record it as a 2. They needed a FULL time out to get to the monitor... Then they got it right.
CAN YOU SAY FIRST PLACE BABY!!!!!!!!!! :thewave: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
Quote from: HC on February 13, 2015, 09:00:29 PM(we will ignore those two kissed FTA since we won)!
Well, if Alec hadn't kissed those FT's maybe the game would have ended sooner. Somebody tell Alec not to kiss his shots.
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Quote from: Pathfinder on February 13, 2015, 08:43:20 PM
Detroit is choking, lead to 4 with Cleveland State at the foul line.
Juwan Howard Jr. comes through with a three with five seconds left to give Detroit the 66-65 win.
We have seen that before...
I found this among GB's 11 posts about our game: Returning from Florida to Green Bay, my wife and I made it a point to take a small detour to Valpo. One thing very apparent to me how much physically stronger the Valpo players appeared.
Couldn't agree more. Bryce has decided to bring in kids with muscle. Oh, we now have 152 posts to their 11. Really sad. We need to find a different conference...
Quote from: a3uge on February 13, 2015, 06:56:53 PM
Ugly half by both teams.
In person, it felt like really intense defense.
Ugly half, for sure (and ugly game, in many ways). And some sloppiness on fast breaks, or trying to push things generally. But, it's not like the poor execution was unforced.
Max Joseph with 5 fouls in only 14 minutes? Those are Moussa Gueye type numbers! But he played hard while he lasted! :thumbsup:
Quote from: FWalum on February 13, 2015, 07:15:35 PM
This team is not very good at the entry pass. Where are some of those KVW clear out a side and throw it over the top.
You are allowed to throw it into the back court, right? Didn't see it once.
What'd we, turn it over... twice? Three times? On inbounds passes? And had to call at least one timeout?
Quote from: covufan on February 13, 2015, 07:31:12 PMBut, based on previously stats, you should bet the mortgage on getting the win. Or the 11 point lead.
I did _eventually_ feel comfortable, somewhere medium late in the second half. But, I'm glad that I didn't bet the house! Even a mortgage payment would have made me awfully nervous in the last 60-90 seconds. What a catastrophic sequence, with Peters (?!) missing two, their making one, getting the offensive board on the miss, and putting it back in. Five point swing with the clock practically stopped. Throat constricting stuff, for sure.
Someone start a Milwaukee thread! I haven't started one all year and refuse to do it now.
Missed the game. Will there be a replay I can watch?
Paul
You didn't miss much.
I wish the students could see how much of a difference they make when they are there vs when they aren't. The kid with the white board was fantastic. "Keifer loves Christian Grey".....good stuff!
Who thinks that Tevonn Walker deserves Freshman of the Week now?
Quote from: 78crusader on February 13, 2015, 10:15:57 PM
Missed the game. Will there be a replay I can watch?
The replay was up on ESPN3 an hour ago, or more. They were really prompt tonight!
Quote from: FWalum on February 13, 2015, 10:19:28 PM
Who thinks that Tevonn Walker deserves Freshman of the Week now?
Bass limited to 7 points in 21 minutes tonight.
Maybe...
Not a pretty game but to quote the philosopher Al Davis, "Just win, baby!"
Had to miss the game; was thinking about not finding out and watching the replay, then my MIL texts me that she's at Longhorn Steakhouse "watching Valpo whup GB" and figured, well, that's better than taking two hours to find out.
Watching highlights on ESPN and reading the thread at the same time. You guys are a fun way to catch up "in real time".
What a win!
Now...Tiby, or not Tiby...that is the question.
Green Bay had 11 blocks, not counting the block on E.victor dunk as the buzzer sounded.
The last 3:56 of the game felt like FOREVER!! I mean I'm glad we pulled the game out, but it seemed like that last segment of the game took 20 minutes. Both games against GB were great this season. Kept my attention all the time, and very worthwhile.
Anybody else think that Sykes might have been playing with an un-diagnosed concussion? Looked very out of sorts to me. I have seen him at his best and he is electric. Between the YSU game and tonight, I have to wonder if that blow to the head on Wednesday has him rattled...
Quote from: valporun on February 13, 2015, 11:26:25 PM
The last 3:56 of the game felt like FOREVER!! I mean I'm glad we pulled the game out, but it seemed like that last segment of the game took 20 minutes.
15 of those minutes were Tevon's free throw routine.
Quote from: FWalum on February 13, 2015, 11:40:59 AMThere was a marked difference between the two teams. YSU just got tighter and tighter while GB seemed to play with a lot of confidence. I hope it is not a 1 or 2 possesion game during that final minute. Not that we can't handle it, but I do think they have a slight advantage in that area.
Very prophetic. Valpo barely handled the come back by GB.
I really think the big key at the end of the game was not that Valpo missed so many FTs. It was that GB missed a lot of FTs near the end of the game also. The FTs ended up almost being equal with GB hitting 20 for 29 and Valpo hitting 1.3% less, 21 for 31.
Quote from: bbtds on February 13, 2015, 01:44:05 PM
Quote from: valpo84 on February 13, 2015, 01:19:37 PM
Valpo-Green Bay game discussed in the SI.com Mid-Major Report for the week. Author also talks about Murray State's Cameron Payne....http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2015/02/13/mid-major-cameron-payne-murray-state (http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2015/02/13/mid-major-cameron-payne-murray-state)
I don't agree that Alec will have to play his best for Valpo to win this game. You have to believe that Sykes has to play his best but Valpo definitely has the offensive fire power to win with out a lot of scoring from Peters. Darien, Tavonn, Vashil, Jubril, Keith, E.Victor and David are all capable of increasing their scoring to compensate for any lesser scoring from Alec. Even when Alec doesn't have his best game he seems to do just enough scoring to put Valpo over the top and do the important things that bring victories.
+1 to bbtds here ;)
Very disappointed in the overall game of E. Victor Nickerson. Very weak ball handling skills and doesn't do much better playing on the ball defense. I don't care that Peters missed those last 2 FTS, he should never pass at the end of the game.
Quote from: Kyle321n on February 13, 2015, 04:52:34 PMQuote from: bbtds on February 13, 2015, 04:35:24 PMQuote from: Kyle321n on February 13, 2015, 03:34:36 PMLet's have Alec get his 10-15 points and let someone who isn't getting hounded get 20-25 points.
This is more in line with what I was thinking. Alec always seems to get his 10-15 points no matter what. He doesn't necessarily have to get his average or play his best. Here's the quote from the SI story: If the Crusaders are going to split the season series, they'll need Peters Nickerson T Walker to play his best.
FTFThem
FTFThem & Y
Quote from: a3uge on February 14, 2015, 02:46:37 AM
Quote from: bbtds on February 13, 2015, 01:44:05 PM
Quote from: valpo84 on February 13, 2015, 01:19:37 PM
Valpo-Green Bay game discussed in the SI.com Mid-Major Report for the week. Author also talks about Murray State's Cameron Payne....http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2015/02/13/mid-major-cameron-payne-murray-state (http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2015/02/13/mid-major-cameron-payne-murray-state)
I don't agree that Alec will have to play his best for Valpo to win this game. You have to believe that Sykes has to play his best but Valpo definitely has the offensive fire power to win with out a lot of scoring from Peters. Darien, Tavonn, Vashil, Jubril, Keith, E.Victor and David are all capable of increasing their scoring to compensate for any lesser scoring from Alec. Even when Alec doesn't have his best game he seems to do just enough scoring to put Valpo over the top and do the important things that bring victories.
+1 to bbtds here ;)
In case you want to go back and like that quoted post, it's on page 4, 8th from the bottom. ;D
Quote from: bbtds on February 14, 2015, 08:09:07 AM
Quote from: a3uge on February 14, 2015, 02:46:37 AM
Quote from: bbtds on February 13, 2015, 01:44:05 PM
Quote from: valpo84 on February 13, 2015, 01:19:37 PM
Valpo-Green Bay game discussed in the SI.com Mid-Major Report for the week. Author also talks about Murray State's Cameron Payne....http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2015/02/13/mid-major-cameron-payne-murray-state (http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2015/02/13/mid-major-cameron-payne-murray-state)
I don't agree that Alec will have to play his best for Valpo to win this game. You have to believe that Sykes has to play his best but Valpo definitely has the offensive fire power to win with out a lot of scoring from Peters. Darien, Tavonn, Vashil, Jubril, Keith, E.Victor and David are all capable of increasing their scoring to compensate for any lesser scoring from Alec. Even when Alec doesn't have his best game he seems to do just enough scoring to put Valpo over the top and do the important things that bring victories.
+1 to bbtds here ;)
In case you want to go back and like that quoted post, it's on page 4, 8th from the bottom. ;D
I find that "keys to the game" and the like are typically always wrong in hilarious fashion, but it never stops anyone from doing them.
I thought that the refs were on green bays side the whole game.
A few observations:
I thought both games were interesting to watch. The defense in the Valpo-GB game was outstanding - it reminded me of Marquette back in the 70's. Valpo played well enough and out powered GB on the boards - that was obviously the difference. I think Coach Drew needs to find a way to reduce the turnovers and define scenarios the team should be more patient - again that's easy for me to say while I am sipping coffee and loathing to clean the house...
Detroit - Cleveland State was a pretty exciting game, and an amazing shot by JH jr. pulled out the squeaker. The last drive by Cleveland State was well planned but the shot could not go down.
Valpo is first in the Horizon, but they have some tough challenges ahead. It will be interesting to see how they handle UWM after such a big win.
I hope he stays for four years at Valpo and has a decent overall experience. He is one tough dude.
Quote from: gamelord on February 14, 2015, 09:20:53 AM
I thought that the refs were on green bays side the whole game.
As everyone probably recalls one of the points of emphasis last season was to allow more "freedom of movement" for the player with the ball. No more hand checking, no more riding the player with your body, hip checking, extended knees, etc. Early season games were a foul-fest until players adjusted, which they eventually did. HL teams that suffered most from the change were the ones that historically had made a living with that kind of stuff - mainly Wright State, Cleveland State and Green Bay. Unfortunately, little by little officials started loosening up once again on all the body riding until we were basically back where we started. Teams like GB have taken full advantage and have reverted to 40 minutes of mugging their opponent in full view of 3 officials who have long since given up the ghost of enforcing more "freedom of movement."
As a result, scoring is down again, which defeats the whole purpose of "freedom of movement." Teams like GB win close games they might not otherwise win. Last night, we were able to overcome it because pound for pound we are bigger and stronger than they are. That said, there were times last night when I sat there thinking I've never seen anything like this. It was nothing short of a 40-minute mugging. Bryce was constantly complaining to the officials, but to no avail. The encouraging part from a Valpo standpoint is that we had the size, strength and talent to overcome it, whereas most HL teams can't. That said, I hate it and I always will. This is not basketball as it should be played IMO.
This was an ugly, ugly, ugly game to watch. Lot of turnovers by both teams. There's a reason why GB and Valpo are 1 and 2 in defense both teams never quit. The difference in the game was Valpo's ability to make shots. Even though we only attempted 7 shots from 3 we still have guys who can get to the rim and score. Tevonn is making a very strong case for FoY award. 20 points last night, including some crucial FTs down the final stretch. Without Tevonn this team is not 23-4 and 12-2 in conference play.
Alec with another quiet double-double, shut down in the first half, scores 12 points in the second including, I think 10 consecutive points, about a third of the way through the second half that happened to be the deciding run of the game.
I know Sykes sat much of the second half out with a wrist injury, if its major, it can easily make it a two team race between us and CSU. One thing to note this was the first time in nearly 40 consecutive conference games that Sykes didn't reach double-figures. He looked off all night, I know he suffered an injury but even before that he didn't seem in sync.
Also if Alec's numbers were equal in the first half as they were in the second he would've finished with 24 points and 20 rebounds!
What makes Sykes so good in the Horizon is that he can rise up and finish almost over everyone, as most teams in the league don't really have much rim protection. Besides us. We have Vashil. So when he is able to get around our perimeter defense (which was very tough on him), he can't go straight up towards the rim. He's having to try and draw contact or finish over Vashil's long outstretch arm. We have the players to make it a rough night for him. Whereas other teams in the league don't.
Quote from: gamelord on February 14, 2015, 09:20:53 AMI thought that the refs were on green bays side the whole game.
While watching in person I would have agreed with this. Watched almost the entire replay and now would rate their performance as excellent. There were some gutsy no calls.
Quote from: wh on February 14, 2015, 10:50:57 AMAs a result, scoring is down again, which defeats the whole purpose of "freedom of movement." Teams like GB win close games they might not otherwise win. Last night, we were able to overcome it because pound for pound we are bigger and stronger than they are. That said, there were times last night when I sat there thinking I've never seen anything like this. It was nothing short of a 40-minute mugging. Bryce was constantly complaining to the officials, but to no avail. The encouraging part from a Valpo standpoint is that we had the size, strength and talent to overcome it, whereas most HL teams can't. That said, I hate it and I always will. This is not basketball as it should be played IMO.
I largely agree but-------with next years returning size, speed, talent and depth I hope the NCAA does not try to address this "style of play" over the summer.
Quote from: justducky on February 14, 2015, 11:35:11 AMI largely agree but-------with next years returning size, speed, talent and depth I hope the NCAA does not try to address this "style of play" over the summer.
you're obliquely getting at something that is different about this team--we can play whatever style you want, and win at it.
We can win the 57-51 slugfests with WSU/CSU/WGB, and we can run up and down the court and blow you out 93-75 with Oakland/Murray St etc. We can win games taking 7 shots behind the arc, and win games taking 30.
It's just impressive, and I think it bodes well for postseason--we can match up to play physical or finesse, as the situation requires.
Quote from: bombkicker on February 14, 2015, 07:52:52 AM
Very disappointed in the overall game of E. Victor Nickerson. Very weak ball handling skills and doesn't do much better playing on the ball defense. I don't care that Peters missed those last 2 FTS, he should never pass at the end of the game.
Nickerson played/plays great on ball defense. Sykes went 2-13 with 7pts, 2 assists and 3 TO. Nickerson was primarily guarding Sykes, and he did a great job of limiting his penetration. Can't really complain about his defense as he's been great all year covering for KC (our best defending guard).
After his best game of the year vs Oakland last week, he definitely took a step back offensively. 0 Assists, 5 TO is terrible. I thought we did a good job moving the ball in the second half, but overall our guards combined for 2 assists and 13 turnovers. Admittedly some of that is skewed due to the amount of fouls inside.
I'm just really anxious for Keith to come back. Max Joseph overmatched, and Nickerson is too raw offensively. While Carter isn't the greatest ball handler, I think he does a good job commanding the offense. His conference efficiency numbers were the best on on the team before he went down, and we really need him back.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 14, 2015, 11:41:13 AM
Quote from: justducky on February 14, 2015, 11:35:11 AMI largely agree but-------with next years returning size, speed, talent and depth I hope the NCAA does not try to address this "style of play" over the summer.
you're obliquely getting at something that is different about this team--we can play whatever style you want, and win at it.
We can win the 57-51 slugfests with WSU/CSU/WGB, and we can run up and down the court and blow you out 93-75 with Oakland/Murray St etc. We can win games taking 7 shots behind the arc, and win games taking 30.
It's just impressive, and I think it bodes well for postseason--we can match up to play physical or finesse, as the situation requires.
This is a great point. Is there a HL team that is a matchup problem for Valpo anymore? It seems like we're able to play decently in these slugfests by getting to the line, but also shoot well against the more finesse teams.
I know you were wondering too.
First time in single digits 3FG attempts this year (previous low 10, twice).
Last time in single digits was last year's L @ WSU (9, only single-digit attempt on the year).
Low total during Everyone's Sr Year (12-13) was 12. Same during Everyone's Jr Year.
10-11 was 8--only single-digit game.
2007-08 never had a game under 15.
You have to go all the way back to 2004, in the loss at Duke at the UC, to find a game with as many or fewer attempts: 6.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/games/2004/12/04/duke-93-valparaiso-61 (http://statsheet.com/mcb/games/2004/12/04/duke-93-valparaiso-61)
Green Bay's defense is impressive. Good athletes who rotate so quickly Alec is great on 3s. Who else can hit them and open up room for him? TeVonn looks good so maybe when KC comes back?........ he becomes weapon #2 outside?
That's the difference between this team and the NCAA team of 2 seasons ago. They were a 3-point shooting team, if the shots weren't falling they had difficulty winning games, if they were falling they could beat just about anybody.
This Valpo team is much more athletic than past teams, Valpo is the strongest team in the league, can win in multiple ways. Valpo isn't a one-man show like many teams tend to be. Tonight Tevonn stepped up and had 20 and Alec had a big night as well especially in the second half. Every regular on this team has the ability to be that X-factor in order to win games. Last night it was Tevonn and Alec, against Oakland it was EVN and Skara, Detroit was Tevonn and Darien, etc... Once KC is back he is very capable of being that X-factor in games.
This team is gonna be very fun to watch over the next few seasons. Especially that we should have a healthy Lexus and KC for the season. The freshmen on this team are no longer freshmen, they don't seem to crack under pressure, they step up in the limelight and have gotten better in conference play which is very rare out of freshmen.
Next season we could easily have 3 first teamers: Alec, Tevonn, and KC. It'll be interesting to see if this team can take the next step and become the top-dog in the league and fill the shoes that were once filled by another Indiana team in the Horizon.
My early prediction for the top 2 teams in the HL next season:
#1 Valpo Gold
G - Keith Carter 6-1 (HL 2nd team)
G - Tevonn Walker 6-1 (HL 1st team)
G - Darien Walker 6-3
F - Alec Peters 6-9 (HL POY)
C - Derrik Smits 7-0 (HL FOY)
#2 Valpo Brown
G - Lexus Williams 6-0
G - E. Victor Nickerson 6-8
F - David Skara 6-8 (HL 2nd team)
F - Shane Hammink 6-7
F/C - Jubril Adekoya 6-7
Others
G - Max Joseph 6-1
G - Nick Davidson 6-4
F - Chandler Levingston Simon 6-7
F/C - Daniel Relvao 6-9
Note to Grizz: Please don't get your feelings hurt or take this as a slap in the face to your team. It's just for fun.
Quote from: wh on February 14, 2015, 12:27:53 PM
My early prediction for the top 2 teams in the HL next season:
#1 Valpo Gold
G - Keith Carter 6-1 (HL 2nd team)
G - Tevonn Walker 6-1 (HL 1st team)
G - Darien Walker 6-3
F - Alec Peters 6-9 (HL POY)
C - Derrik Smits 7-0 (HL FOY)
#2 Valpo Brown
G - Lexus Williams 6-0
G - E. Victor Nickerson 6-8
F - David Skara 6-8 (HL 2nd team)
F - Shane Hammink 6-7
F/C - Jubril Adekoya 6-7
Others
G - Max Joseph 6-1
G - Nick Davidson 6-4
F - Chandler Levingston Simon 6-7
F/C - Daniel Relvao 6-9
Note to Grizz: Please don't get your feelings hurt or take this as a slap in the face to your team. It's just for fun.
Platoon system? ;)
Quote from: wh on February 14, 2015, 10:50:57 AMLast night, we were able to overcome it because pound for pound we are bigger and stronger than they are. That said, there were times last night when I sat there thinking I've never seen anything like this. It was nothing short of a 40-minute mugging. Bryce was constantly complaining to the officials, but to no avail.
I agree with this sentiment, wh. I sat there and yelled and screamed about this same thing the whole game. I just want the refs to call the same type fouls at both ends, and it sure seemed like Green Bay was able to get away with much more than Valpo. As one example, once with 2 refs having a clear view of the play, in the 1st half as I recall, the GB defender clearly hip checked our player (chairback side at free throw line extended) and of course there was no call. Yet we would commit what I would call a touch foul and sure enough there was the whistle. We definitely did not get any home cooking last night. The only reason GB had more fouls called against them was their decision to foul every possession the last few minutes. We had 10+ fouls pretty early in the 2nd half I thought while they had 7/8, allowing GB to stop the clock and shoot free throws.
I'm just glad our guys hung so tough and won the game. But we also made it a bit harder on ourself than necessary by missing 5 of 6 free throws (I think?) later in the 2nd half. We make those and I think it might of been around a 10 point win. Hopefully as our young team gains more and more experience we will learn how to close out games better where we have a 15 point lead in the 2nd half, even against good teams.
Quote from: wh on February 14, 2015, 12:27:53 PMMy early prediction for the top 2 teams in the HL next season:
#1 Valpo Gold
G - Keith Carter 6-1 (HL 2nd team)
G - Tevonn Walker 6-1 (HL 1st team)
G - Darien Walker 6-3
F - Alec Peters 6-9 (HL POY)
C - Derrik Smits 7-0 (HL FOY)
#2 Valpo Brown
G - Lexus Williams 6-0
G - E. Victor Nickerson 6-8
F - David Skara 6-8 (HL 2nd team)
F - Shane Hammink 6-7
F/C - Jubril Adekoya 6-7
Both of these teams are in need of vastly improved OOC scheduling so that their maximum potentials are tested and tuned for the 15-16 postseason. I think that Gold team could have at-large bid hopes all by themselves. :thumbsup: ;)
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 14, 2015, 11:41:13 AMIt's just impressive, and I think it bodes well for postseason--we can match up to play physical or finesse, as the situation requires.
One piece of me really wants to agree with you.
But, another piece is nervous, "Can we really beat the big dogs at their own game?" Is that how upsets are made? I'm sure there are other recipes. But, I don't necessarily see a stable of guys that can rain down 3's, get streaky, and score a bunch of points. I don't see, exactly, a group of guys that can go all fast break on you. There are pieces of both. And tough defense. But, I guess, I'm worried that we're more of a "really impressive mid major" without necessarily that something extra it takes to have a good shot at pulling upsets.
I hope I'm wrong, to be certain! And, I'll work on broadening my mind, working out my imagination, to start to visualize this team beating top-15, top-25 programs. I'm not quite sure what that winning game looks like. Ideas?
Quote from: wh on February 14, 2015, 12:27:53 PM
My early prediction for the top 2 teams in the HL next season:
#1 Valpo Gold
G - Keith Carter 6-1 (HL 2nd team)
G - Tevonn Walker 6-1 (HL 1st team)
G - Darien Walker 6-3
F - Alec Peters 6-9 (HL POY)
C - Derrik Smits 7-0 (HL FOY)
#2 Valpo Brown
G - Lexus Williams 6-0
G - E. Victor Nickerson 6-8
F - David Skara 6-8 (HL 2nd team)
F - Shane Hammink 6-7
F/C - Jubril Adekoya 6-7
Others
G - Max Joseph 6-1
G - Nick Davidson 6-4
F - Chandler Levingston Simon 6-7
F/C - Daniel Relvao 6-9
Note to Grizz: Please don't get your feelings hurt or take this as a slap in the face to your team. It's just for fun.
This could be one of the best defensive lineups in Valpo history:
G - Keith Carter 6-1 (HL 2nd team)
G - E. Victor Nickerson 6-8
G - Tevonn Walker 6-1 (HL 1st team)
F - Alec Peters 6-9 (HL POY)
C - Derrik Smits 7-0 (HL FOY)
Carter plays great on ball defense, Nickerson uses his length on and off ball... Tevon plays bigger than he is. Uses his athleticism to rebound well. Peters is strong enough for any HL forward in the post, and another 7 footer should be a great asset down low. Offensively this could be a disaster though.
Quote from: a3uge on February 14, 2015, 01:54:36 PM
Quote from: wh on February 14, 2015, 12:27:53 PM
My early prediction for the top 2 teams in the HL next season:
#1 Valpo Gold
G - Keith Carter 6-1 (HL 2nd team)
G - Tevonn Walker 6-1 (HL 1st team)
G - Darien Walker 6-3
F - Alec Peters 6-9 (HL POY)
C - Derrik Smits 7-0 (HL FOY)
#2 Valpo Brown
G - Lexus Williams 6-0
G - E. Victor Nickerson 6-8
F - David Skara 6-8 (HL 2nd team)
F - Shane Hammink 6-7
F/C - Jubril Adekoya 6-7
Others
G - Max Joseph 6-1
G - Nick Davidson 6-4
F - Chandler Levingston Simon 6-7
F/C - Daniel Relvao 6-9
Note to Grizz: Please don't get your feelings hurt or take this as a slap in the face to your team. It's just for fun.
This could be one of the best defensive lineups in Valpo history:
G - Keith Carter 6-1 (HL 2nd team)
G - E. Victor Nickerson 6-8
G - Tevonn Walker 6-1 (HL 1st team)
F - Alec Peters 6-9 (HL POY)
C - Derrik Smits 7-0 (HL FOY)
Carter plays great on ball defense, Nickerson uses his length on and off ball... Tevon plays bigger than he is. Uses his athleticism to rebound well. Peters is strong enough for any HL forward in the post, and another 7 footer should be a great asset down low. Offensively this could be a disaster though.
Why? What do you mean?
Quote from: vufan75 on February 14, 2015, 01:03:01 PMWe had 10+ fouls pretty early in the 2nd half I thought while they had 7/8, allowing GB to stop the clock and shoot free throws.
It seemed like GB had about six pretty early in the second half, and then went a _long_ stretch without adding to the total. I couldn't quite figure out what happened. While Max Joseph was fouling out, and Vashil getting to four and sent to the bench (I didn't quite understand his indefinite bench stay; did they decide it wasn't his night? Were they really saving him for offense-defense rotation in the closing seconds?).
This is a game where one can very definitely _not_ look at overall foul differential as a sign of anything. They fouled out... three? But only in the closing minutes. It was pretty comical, at that phase of the game, the stuff they weren't calling. Huge shirt grabs and the like.
The refs missed what, to those of us in EE, was a _really_ obvious foul call on GB against Vashil at the rim on the west end. They were slapping him right on the hands at the rim, to no call. My only hope for those refs is that, somehow, without our elevation the foul was mysteriously invisible.
Quote from: a3uge on February 14, 2015, 01:54:36 PMC - Derrik Smits 7-0 (HL FOY)
and another 7 footer should be a great asset down low.
I'll be pretty curious to see how much we'll miss Vashil next season. I'm concerned that we'll miss him a lot more than some people seem to assume.
I've not tried to follow Smits closely, but isn't he meant to be more of an offensive presence than defensive?
Vashil's _completely_ changed the game with his defensive abilities a number of times this season. It'll be interesting to see how the team evolves once that presence is gone.
Or, perhaps, if Smits can fill some of those space currently covered by Vashil's long arms.
Quote from: wh on February 14, 2015, 12:27:53 PMMy early prediction for the top 2 teams in the HL next season:
#1 Valpo Gold
G - Keith Carter 6-1 (HL 2nd team)
G - Tevonn Walker 6-1 (HL 1st team)
G - Darien Walker 6-3
F - Alec Peters 6-9 (HL POY)
C - Derrik Smits 7-0 (HL FOY)
#2 Valpo Brown
G - Lexus Williams 6-0
G - E. Victor Nickerson 6-8
F - David Skara 6-8 (HL 2nd team)
F - Shane Hammink 6-7
F/C - Jubril Adekoya 6-7
Others
G - Max Joseph 6-1
G - Nick Davidson 6-4
F - Chandler Levingston Simon 6-7
F/C - Daniel Relvao 6-9
While it would be great if all 14 of these guys showed up for the first day of practice next year, given the recent history of at least one unexpected departure per year (a situation not unique to VU), I think we better be prepared for an unanticipated transfer...or two.
Paul
Quote from: wh on February 14, 2015, 12:27:53 PM
My early prediction for the top 2 teams in the HL next season:
#1 Valpo Gold
G - Keith Carter 6-1 (HL 2nd team)
G - Tevonn Walker 6-1 (HL 1st team)
G - Darien Walker 6-3
F - Alec Peters 6-9 (HL POY)
C - Derrik Smits 7-0 (HL FOY)
#2 Valpo Brown
G - Lexus Williams 6-0
G - E. Victor Nickerson 6-8
F - David Skara 6-8 (HL 2nd team)
F - Shane Hammink 6-7
F/C - Jubril Adekoya 6-7
Others
G - Max Joseph 6-1
G - Nick Davidson 6-4
F - Chandler Levingston Simon 6-7
F/C - Daniel Relvao 6-9
Note to Grizz: Please don't get your feelings hurt or take this as a slap in the face to your team. It's just for fun.
Wow... Great problem to have, but Bryce will have some tough decisions to make on playing time. Lots of talented guys that will need/want their minutes. If you have too large of a rotation, players can have problems getting into the flow of the game. Perhaps a platoon system against lower quality opponents (5 minutes in and 5 minutes out) and cut the rotation to an 8 man rotation against the tougher teams. Seriously, that 2nd platoon would have absolutely no problem holding their own. 3-4 of those guys are legit starter quality players!
Relvao needs to redshirt. We do not need him right away and would learn a lot practicing with these guys all year and then having 4 years of eligibility.
Quote from: wh on February 14, 2015, 01:59:42 PM
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My early prediction for the top 2 teams in the HL next season:
#1 Valpo Gold
G - Keith Carter 6-1 (HL 2nd team)
G - Tevonn Walker 6-1 (HL 1st team)
G - Darien Walker 6-3
F - Alec Peters 6-9 (HL POY)
C - Derrik Smits 7-0 (HL FOY)
#2 Valpo Brown
G - Lexus Williams 6-0
G - E. Victor Nickerson 6-8
F - David Skara 6-8 (HL 2nd team)
F - Shane Hammink 6-7
F/C - Jubril Adekoya 6-7
Others
G - Max Joseph 6-1
G - Nick Davidson 6-4
F - Chandler Levingston Simon 6-7
F/C - Daniel Relvao 6-9
Note to Grizz: Please don't get your feelings hurt or take this as a slap in the face to your team. It's just for fun.
This could be one of the best defensive lineups in Valpo history:
G - Keith Carter 6-1 (HL 2nd team)
G - E. Victor Nickerson 6-8
G - Tevonn Walker 6-1 (HL 1st team)
F - Alec Peters 6-9 (HL POY)
C - Derrik Smits 7-0 (HL FOY)
Carter plays great on ball defense, Nickerson uses his length on and off ball... Tevon plays bigger than he is. Uses his athleticism to rebound well. Peters is strong enough for any HL forward in the post, and another 7 footer should be a great asset down low. Offensively this could be a disaster though.
Why? What do you mean?
Hmm, maybe not if Smits is more of an offensive player. Nickerson is terrible offensively, but just looked at Tevons shooting numbers and they're actually a lot better than I thought, so were Carter's. This team should be good.
Quote from: a3uge on February 14, 2015, 02:41:32 PMNickerson is terrible offensively
But compare him to Erik Buggs!
Buggs did tremendous things for us. But, it does say something, about how far we've come, I suppose, when Nickerson's an example (debatably, I might add), of "terrible" offense from the point guard spot!
The only player that won't be back is Vashil. He isn't a big offensive contributor. Next year we'll have Lexus back along with KC as well as added experience for everyone currently playing. The offense is good now and will be good next season. I'm guessing our defensive numbers will drop a bit without Vashil but even in games that he hasn't played much our defense has been stellar. Overall I'm not worried at all.
Alec and Tevonn will likely be first teamers. KC and Darien both can score. Skara has shown the ability to score as well. This team is just gonna be better next year.
Let us not forget EVN isn't playing his natural position. Next year if both KC and Lexus are healthy I doubt he'll be running any offensive sets for Valpo.
Quote from: agibson on February 14, 2015, 02:44:21 PM
Quote from: a3uge on February 14, 2015, 02:41:32 PMNickerson is terrible offensively
But compare him to Erik Buggs!
Buggs did tremendous things for us. But, it does say something, about how far we've come, I suppose, when Nickerson's an example (debatably, I might add), of "terrible" offense from the point guard spot!
Or Jake Diebler!
Quote from: 78crusader on February 14, 2015, 02:16:57 PMWhile it would be great if all 14 of these guys showed up for the first day of practice next year, given the recent history of at least one unexpected departure per year (a situation not unique to VU), I think we better be prepared for an unanticipated transfer...or two.
Sure, but of the Brown and Gold there are only 2 players of which I might be concerned. We will have a theoretical top 50 at-large bid talent team from next years opening tip off. So make me a good argument for anybody wanting to forgo that chance so that they can redshirt elsewhere. Nobody in that top 5 should have any incentive or desire to leave. Williams and Skara might but would Lexus be granted an additional redshirt year if he transferred and would David want to jump to a better program and sacrifice a quantifiably known future here? Maybe Nick or Max or Chandler could leave, but finding replacements should be easier now than it ever has been in the past.
I could see Nick leaving... He barely plays and I could see him transfer to a DII program where he would be a regular. Next season Valpo has the potential to be a top 25 type team. Who would want to leave a program that possibly could become the next mid-major powerhouse.
Quote from: agibson on February 14, 2015, 02:44:21 PM
Quote from: a3uge on February 14, 2015, 02:41:32 PMNickerson is terrible offensively
But compare him to Erik Buggs!
Buggs did tremendous things for us. But, it does say something, about how far we've come, I suppose, when Nickerson's an example (debatably, I might add), of "terrible" offense from the point guard spot!
While Buggs couldn't shoot, he still had a higher FG% and eFG% than Nickerson this year. Nickerson has a negative assist to turnover ratio, while buggs was +1.3. I don't think Buggs was ever a liability on offense whereas Nickerson you have to worry about his dribbling up court to beat a press.
1. I don't honestly know whether the bad calls favored Green Bay or not. I did see a few that went our way. I think like most VU fans, I remember the ones that hurt us more than the ones that hurt the other team.
2. They missed a goaltend against GB on that one play where they called the foul and the Valpo player split the FTs (late in the first half). Skara got fouled 3 times on that awkward looking layup he scored late in the first half. They missed several others. There were also a few calls that had the whole ARC in an uproar that were absolutely the right calls from my perspective.
3. Sykes jammed his finger in the first half, which may have something to do with his ineffectiveness. Of course the blow to the head on Wednesday could have also contributed, as someone mentioned. Lexus Williams' Dad told me he thinks Sykes will go in the 2nd round.
Quote from: a3uge on February 14, 2015, 03:03:08 PM
Quote from: agibson on February 14, 2015, 02:44:21 PM
Quote from: a3uge on February 14, 2015, 02:41:32 PMNickerson is terrible offensively
But compare him to Erik Buggs!
Buggs did tremendous things for us. But, it does say something, about how far we've come, I suppose, when Nickerson's an example (debatably, I might add), of "terrible" offense from the point guard spot!
While Buggs couldn't shoot, he still had a higher FG% and eFG% than Nickerson this year. Nickerson has a negative assist to turnover ratio, while buggs was +1.3. I don't think Buggs was ever a liability on offense whereas Nickerson you have to worry about his dribbling up court to beat a press.
Towards the end of his senior year Buggs seemingly could take it to the rim and score whenever he wanted to. He was a great player and just was a terrible shooter. Like other's have stated he didn't turn the ball over and was a great defender as well. KC reminds me of a better shooting Buggs.
Let us not forget EVN isn't a PG, due to the injury situation he's our best option and he has done well. The team is 10-1 with him being our primary PG, he has been great defensively. He just doesn't have the vision of a PG, offensively. KC does, KC will be back sooner rather than later. I'm hoping it doesn't take him long before he's back to mid-season form. Scary that this team will only be stronger once he is back to 100% by the time the tourney comes around. Not many teams in the NCAA can lose their top two PGs at the beginning of their conference season and go 10-1 without them and the one loss being a 1 point loss on the road to one of the conference's best.
Quote from: SanityLost17 on February 14, 2015, 02:24:58 PMRelvao needs to redshirt.
I would think that would be an obvious solution to two problems--namely, the minutes crunch, and the fact that he is still so new to the game.
plus, the redshirt is a really important tool, because who among us was not more of a man at 23 than at 18?
however, we're getting a little ahead of ourselves. and bryce hasn't shown any desire to redshirt people; not that his father was too fond of it before him. he didn't even redshirt davidson.
Quote from: StlVUFan on February 14, 2015, 03:10:03 PM
There were also a few calls that had the whole ARC in an uproar that were absolutely the right calls from my perspective.
For me that's part of the collective fan experience. Sometimes it's "I can't believe you blew that call!" Sometimes it's "How are you calling -that- when you let -that other thing- go?" Sometimes it's just, "why are you doing something that's hurting my team? I don't like it when you do that!"
At least one part collective catharsis, and maybe part of earning the notorious home cooking.
That said, I may sometimes be annoying my neighbors in the bleachers ;). Hopefully there can be some dignified balance.
Quote from: a3uge on February 14, 2015, 03:03:08 PM
I don't think Buggs was ever a liability on offense whereas Nickerson you have to worry about his dribbling up court to beat a press.
You mean like em when he'd be left unguarded from what felt like 15 feet, and it felt like we were playing 4 on 5? Talk about compressing the defense!
This got a lot better later in his career when he got better at slashing to the basket.
Earlier on, was he one of the crew who would drive in, get stuck, and turn it over? I lose track - it felt for a while like there were a whole series of guards with that pathology.
Again, don't get me wrong , I love Buggs! But he played a lot of minutes before developing a reasonable offensive arsenal.
Quote from: agibson on February 14, 2015, 03:40:22 PM
Quote from: a3uge on February 14, 2015, 03:03:08 PM
I don't think Buggs was ever a liability on offense whereas Nickerson you have to worry about his dribbling up court to beat a press.
You mean like em when he'd be left unguarded from what felt like 15 feet, and it felt like we were playing 4 on 5? Talk about compressing the defense!
This got a lot better later in his career when he got better at slashing to the basket.
Earlier on, was he one of the crew who would drive in, get stuck, and turn it over? I lose track - it felt for a while like there were a whole series of guards with that pathology.
Again, don't get me wrong , I love Buggs! But he played a lot of minutes before developing a reasonable offensive arsenal.
Yes, and don't forget the "swat-a-buggs" intentional foul strategy. I distinctly remember the game that started that. It was at the ARC against WSU. We had what seemed like a fairly comfortable lead with 3 or 4 minutes left, and out of the blue Donlon started having his guys intentionally foul Buggs every time down the court. He kept missing and they kept scoring. I think Homer was still the coach then. I honestly don't recall the final outcome of that game, but I think they completely wiped out the lead and we somehow pulled it out at the very end. It was after that that everyone we played started doing it. Between his inability to hit free throws and other teams daring him to take a jump shot, I would say he was definitely an offensive liability at that point in his college career. To his credit he worked very hard to overcome both handicaps and actually became a fairly decent shooter by his senior year.
Quote from: wh on February 14, 2015, 04:04:03 PMWe had what seemed like a fairly comfortable lead with 3 or 4 minutes left, and out of the blue Donlon started having his guys intentionally foul Buggs every time down the court. He kept missing and they kept scoring. I think Homer was still the coach then. I honestly don't recall the final outcome of that game
i'll take "name that VU game" for $400, alex.
http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2010-11/10485/valpo-takes-tight-duel-against-wright-state/#.VN_WsObF-So (http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2010-11/10485/valpo-takes-tight-duel-against-wright-state/#.VN_WsObF-So)
http://www.valpoathletics.com/media/basketball-men/2010-11/boxscores_stats/mb26-wsu.htm#GAME.PLY (http://www.valpoathletics.com/media/basketball-men/2010-11/boxscores_stats/mb26-wsu.htm#GAME.PLY)
Wasn't that the game that Duggins made a layup just after to buzzer that would've tied the game?
Ah, yes, the dynamic duo of Duggins and Evans. Those 2 guys were royal pains in the butt. Didn't Duggins play for like 6 years, or did it just seem like it?
The Green Bay blog is only 2 pages. And half those are fighting amongst each other and nothing about the game itself.
The Oakland blog has 8 post regarding the metro rivalry. Only 8 the day before their biggest rival and a team that kept them out of the HL.
Interesting conversation about Buggs and Nickerson. I think we need to remember that Erik was a very aggressive defender and shut down many good guards. He also did a good job of getting us into our offensive sets. But besides being a very poor shooter, most of his college career, he also had a propensity to get into foul trouble, and when he did we almost always lost showing how important he was to those teams. I think that Erik DQ'd 8 times in the 2011-2012 season with 2 of those coming against Summit League teams leading to miserable loses.
Not really a good comparison between Buggs and Nickerson. Certainly Nickerson is not really a point guard and, as was mentioned, doesn't really have a point guard's court vision. What he does have is the ability to go over the top of most of the players that would be guarding him. He has shown that he can manufacture opportunities, he just needs to finish better. This should come as he just gets more time on the court. While I know he had 5 TO's the other night, I don't really think he has handled the ball that poorly on the dribble, I find his decision making and passing more suspect and tentative. That being said I find it just amazing what this group of "guards" has done without a true PG.
KC, if he can get and stay healthy, has lots of tools with which to work with. I don't feel we have really seen his full potential.
I think we should be asking ourselves... when was the last time we had a guard who had the ability and strength to get to the rack and create the way that T Walker has shown? He has the complete package both on offense and defense. Any thoughts?
Quote from: FWalum on February 14, 2015, 10:31:13 PMI think we should be asking ourselves... when was the last time we had a guard who had the ability and strength to get to the rack and create the way the T Walker has shown? He has the complete package both on offense and defense. Any thoughts?
Time to memorize the lyrics to "O Canada" and start practicing the singing of our guards' national anthem.
O Canada!
Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command.
With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!
From far and wide,
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.We should actually learn the Croatian and Jamaican anthems also. But the Canadian anthem is much easier.
Quote from: FWalum on February 14, 2015, 10:31:13 PM
I think we should be asking ourselves... when was the last time we had a guard who had the ability and strength to get to the rack and create the way that T Walker has shown? He has the complete package both on offense and defense. Any thoughts?
LVD certainly had the ability to get to the rack and score at will at times. Although his defense was no where near as good and Tevonn has 3+ more seasons to improve on his game. When Tevonn signed with Valpo I thought he was gonna be the best out of the 14/15 class. There was a reason why he was a top 10 player in Canada, he very easily can become one of the most dominant guards in Valpo history.
Quote from: classof2014 on February 14, 2015, 10:41:55 PM
Quote from: FWalum on February 14, 2015, 10:31:13 PM
I think we should be asking ourselves... when was the last time we had a guard who had the ability and strength to get to the rack and create the way that T Walker has shown? He has the complete package both on offense and defense. Any thoughts?
LVD certainly had the ability to get to the rack and score at will at times. Although his defense was no where near as good and Tevonn has 3+ more seasons to improve on his game. When Tevonn signed with Valpo I thought he was gonna be the best out of the 14/15 class. There was a reason why he was a top 10 player in Canada, he very easily can become one of the most dominant guards in Valpo history.
If Tevonn was the 10th best player coming out of Canada, there must be 9 Canadian freshmen putting up MVP numbers somewhere.
Quote from: agibson on February 14, 2015, 03:35:58 PMHopefully there can be some dignified balance.
I thought that was the balance you try to maintain when you leave your seat in the middle of the row and have to scoot by those same "irritated" neighbors in the bleachers who give you the stink eye as you dignifingly balance on the way past them. :-[
Quote from: bbtds on February 14, 2015, 10:39:31 PM
Quote from: FWalum on February 14, 2015, 10:31:13 PMI think we should be asking ourselves... when was the last time we had a guard who had the ability and strength to get to the rack and create the way the T Walker has shown? He has the complete package both on offense and defense. Any thoughts?
Time to memorize the lyrics to "O Canada" and start practicing the singing of our guards' national anthem.
O Canada!
Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command.
With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!
From far and wide,
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
We should actually learn the Croatian and Jamaican anthems also. But the Canadian anthem is much easier.
The Jamaican National Anthem isn't too hard to sing. Come on, mon!
Jamaican National Anthem sang by Lukie D (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGUha6RZqHQ#)
Ladies and Gentlemen----The Croatian National Anthem "Lijepa nasa domovino."
Croatia National Anthem English lyrics (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjqgLZ7fZY4#ws)
I traveled to Croatia on business and the people were wonderful and the wine an unknown international secret. They love sport in that country - soccer is also huge there and they compete very well internationally.
Quote from: classof2014 on February 14, 2015, 10:41:55 PM
Quote from: FWalum on February 14, 2015, 10:31:13 PM
I think we should be asking ourselves... when was the last time we had a guard who had the ability and strength to get to the rack and create the way that T Walker has shown? He has the complete package both on offense and defense. Any thoughts?
LVD certainly had the ability to get to the rack and score at will at times. Although his defense was no where near as good and Tevonn has 3+ more seasons to improve on his game. When Tevonn signed with Valpo I thought he was gonna be the best out of the 14/15 class. There was a reason why he was a top 10 player in Canada, he very easily can become one of the most dominant guards in Valpo history.
I was thinking the same thing. LVD does come to mind. I also think that D Walker is similar to Matt Kenney. The interesting thing is that the LVD and Matt we are comparing were both seniors. Our current guys can only get better the longer they play together.
Quote from: historyman on February 14, 2015, 11:17:48 PM
Quote from: agibson on February 14, 2015, 03:35:58 PMHopefully there can be some dignified balance.
I thought that was the balance you try to maintain when you leave your seat in the middle of the row and have to scoot by those same "irritated" neighbors in the bleachers who give you the stink eye as you dignifingly balance on the way past them. :-[
We could have a whole thread about this!
There are lots of dead balls in basketball - couldn't people wait for one before getting up and moving around? Is that only a baseball courtesy? I try to hold my tongue unless they actually stop in front of me during the action. But, sometimes it's a challenge!
Quote from: usc4valpo on February 15, 2015, 07:32:43 AM
I traveled to Croatia on business and the people were wonderful and the wine an unknown international secret. They love sport in that country - soccer is also huge there and they compete very well internationally.
I dug the street food. I wonder what Skara thinks of Vaps in Valpo?
Quote from: agibson on February 15, 2015, 08:22:37 AM
Quote from: usc4valpo on February 15, 2015, 07:32:43 AM
I traveled to Croatia on business and the people were wonderful and the wine an unknown international secret. They love sport in that country - soccer is also huge there and they compete very well internationally.
I dug the street food. I wonder what Skara thinks of Vaps in Valpo?
That's Serbian not Croatian
Quote from: Kyle321n on February 15, 2015, 11:16:45 AM
Quote from: agibson on February 15, 2015, 08:22:37 AM
Quote from: usc4valpo on February 15, 2015, 07:32:43 AM
I traveled to Croatia on business and the people were wonderful and the wine an unknown international secret. They love sport in that country - soccer is also huge there and they compete very well internationally.
I dug the street food. I wonder what Skara thinks of Vaps in Valpo?
That's Serbian not Croatian
Same thing.
Quote from: Kyle321n on February 15, 2015, 11:16:45 AMThat's Serbian not Croatian
eek good point
DON'T ASK HIM
...anyone remember in the days of the ol' Vidette-Mess how there was a perpetual war of words in the letters to the editor between Serbs and Croats, et al.? I remember asking my dad about it and I got a lesson in blood feuds.
Quote from: a3uge on February 15, 2015, 11:45:23 AMSame thing.
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Quote from: FWalum on February 14, 2015, 10:31:13 PM
Interesting conversation about Buggs and Nickerson.
Not really a good comparison between Buggs and Nickerson. Certainly Nickerson is not really a point guard and, as was mentioned, doesn't really have a point guard's court vision. What he does have is the ability to go over the top of most of the players that would be guarding him. He has shown that he can manufacture opportunities, he just needs to finish better. This should come as he just gets more time on the court. While I know he had 5 TO's the other night, I don't really think he has handled the ball that poorly on the dribble, I find his decision making and passing more suspect and tentative. That being said I find it just amazing what this group of "guards" has done without a true PG.
KC, if he can get and stay healthy, has lots of tools with which to work with. I don't feel we have really seen his full potential.
I think we should be asking ourselves... when was the last time we had a guard who had the ability and strength to get to the rack and create the way that T Walker has shown? He has the complete package both on offense and defense. Any thoughts?
Let's not forget that Nickerson is not healthy. When he fell the other night on his hip, the reaction by the VU bench was an indication of how fragile he still is. We only are beginning to see his potential. There have been a few times that he has slashed to the bucket quite effectively. I would not advocate for him playing the point based on what we have seen thus far, but a tall guard can have some distinct advantages. I remember a guy named Pippen who played for the Bulls...
Despite a busy weekend, I have now managed to upload a gallery with nearly forty photos from the Green Bay game. While we await the start of the Milwaukee game, feel free to browse these images, which include some good crowd shots. Also, a few forum members introduced themselves to me Friday, and I want to note it is always a pleasure to meet each of you in person. Link to photo album: https://www.flickr.com/photos/96208998@N05/sets/72157650417062448/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/96208998@N05/sets/72157650417062448/)
Quote from: humbleopinion on February 15, 2015, 11:49:55 AM
Quote from: FWalum on February 14, 2015, 10:31:13 PM
Interesting conversation about Buggs and Nickerson.
Not really a good comparison between Buggs and Nickerson. Certainly Nickerson is not really a point guard and, as was mentioned, doesn't really have a point guard's court vision. What he does have is the ability to go over the top of most of the players that would be guarding him. He has shown that he can manufacture opportunities, he just needs to finish better. This should come as he just gets more time on the court. While I know he had 5 TO's the other night, I don't really think he has handled the ball that poorly on the dribble, I find his decision making and passing more suspect and tentative. That being said I find it just amazing what this group of "guards" has done without a true PG.
KC, if he can get and stay healthy, has lots of tools with which to work with. I don't feel we have really seen his full potential.
I think we should be asking ourselves... when was the last time we had a guard who had the ability and strength to get to the rack and create the way that T Walker has shown? He has the complete package both on offense and defense. Any thoughts?
Let's not forget that Nickerson is not healthy. When he fell the other night on his hip, the reaction by the VU bench was an indication of how fragile he still is. We only are beginning to see his potential. There have been a few times that he has slashed to the bucket quite effectively. I would not advocate for him playing the point based on what we have seen thus far, but a tall guard can have some distinct advantages. I remember a guy named Pippen who played for the Bulls...
EVN was playing a lot of today's game in some pain. He hobbled at times and when he was subbed for, he would just walk back and forth behind the bench - seldom sitting. He's playing on some guts.
2 games in 3 days is quite the load, the whole team seemed a bit dogged out there after the battle with Green Bay.
EVN did an absolute sensational job while KC was out. The team went 10-1... 10 and freaking 1!!! The kid underwent double hip surgery this summer didn't start playing till basically the opening tip of the season.
If there was a comeback player of the year award he would easily win it. Not many players can undergo that major of a surgery, comeback, have your coach ask you to play an unfamiliar position to fill in for the injured pointguards right when conference season begins, then have the team go 10-1 while he was quarterbacking the offense. He did have his struggles but overall, he did a sensational job.
Quote from: agibson on February 15, 2015, 08:21:10 AMI try to hold my tongue unless they actually stop in front of me during the action.
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Tweye dat hen day tand n oo ay. Dey weally wook dat oo unny.
Quote from: classof2014 on February 14, 2015, 10:41:55 PMWhen Tevonn signed with Valpo I thought he was gonna be the best out of the 14/15 class. There was a reason why he was a top 10 player in Canada, he very easily can become one of the most dominant guards in Valpo history.
Sounds strange but Tavonn could actually become an All-American. Sounds strange but I kind you not.