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Title: Recruits
Post by: covufan on March 09, 2011, 11:34:10 AM
Thought I'd start a "recruits" thread on the new site.

We have Edwards http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/150/10256/ (http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/150/10256/) and Boggs sometime after fall finals http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/150/10387/ (http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/150/10387/)

Bielfeldt appears to have narrowed his choices, leaving VU on the outside:

http://blogs.pjstar.com/prepsplus/2011/03/02/michigan-offers-scholarship-to-bielfeldt/ (http://blogs.pjstar.com/prepsplus/2011/03/02/michigan-offers-scholarship-to-bielfeldt/)

Is there anything else?
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: VU75 on March 14, 2011, 08:57:12 PM
Article from Trib says that Illinois may pull
Bielfeldt offer


Bradley's Maniscalco could be good fit for Illini
March 12, 2011 12:53 PM | 4 Comments
By Chris Hine

When Demetri McCamey graduates from Illinois, the expectation is that Brandon Paul can step up into the poiint-guard role and that incoming freshman Tracy Abrams from Mount Carmel can provide some minutes there.

But the Illini may have another option in former St. Patrick guard Sam Maniscalco.

According to the Peoria Journal Star, Maniscalco has asked for his release from Bradley and -- according to two unnamed sources -- wants to play for Illinois next season. The newspaper reported that Maniscalco has been granted permission to speak with 10 schools in the wake of Bradley firing coach Jim Les after nine seasons.

A source told the Tribune that Illinois has interest in Maniscalco and plans to speak with him about joining the Illini next season.
Unlike other players who switch schools, Maniscalco would not have to sit out a year. The reason, the source said, is because he is set to graduate from Bradley this spring and can apply for an NCAA waiver that would grant him eligibility to pursue a master's degree that is not available at his school.

Maniscalco is a sports communication major at Bradley, which does not offer a master's program in that field, while Illinois does. Maniscalco also preserved a year of eligibility because he sat out the most of the 2010-11 season with an ankle injury.

So, in essence, Maniscalco would be a free agent eligible to sign a one-year deal with another university.

But there's yet another complicating factor: Illinois has offered a scholarship to Max Bielfeldt, a center out of Peoria-Notre Dame. That is the same Bielfeldt family whose name is on Illinois' athletic offices building.

According to a source, Bielfeldt and Maniscalco would not both be eligible to join the Illini on scholarship because it would exceed the school's maximum allotment of scholarships. The only way both can join is if a current member of the Illini transfers or if Bielfeldt or Maniscalco accepts a walk-on position. Illinois originally had offered Bielfeldt a preferred walk-on position before increasing its offer to a full scholarship in recent weeks.

So, the Illini could be in the awkward position of having to pull a scholarship offer from a recruit whose family has strong connections to the university.

Bielfeldt also has a scholarship offer from Michigan and multiple mid-major schools. Maniscalco has averaged 10.9 points per game and is a career 42 percent shooter, but could provide Illinois with some needed insurance at an unstable position next season.

C

Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: mj on March 15, 2011, 03:10:48 PM
Hopefully that knocks some sense into Bielfeldt and he chooses to go to a mid-major. That's one thing I really like about Jay Harris. He stuck with the mid-majors since they stuck with him the whole time. Virginia Tech started to flirt with him but he didn't drop the smaller schools. Class act in my opinion.
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: vu72 on March 15, 2011, 05:59:02 PM
The bigger question is does he want to play or watch.  At Illinois he most certainly would watch, getting minimal play.  At Valpo, with Cory graduating and Kevin's back issues, he could get a bunch of time if he is as good as advertised.
We need size as Edwards  is more of a Broekhoff type (a little bigger), not a banger.
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: Mjj on March 16, 2011, 09:55:45 AM
http://blogs.suntimes.com/hoopsreport/2011/03/maniscalco_heading_to_illinois.html (http://blogs.suntimes.com/hoopsreport/2011/03/maniscalco_heading_to_illinois.html)

Maniscalco heading to Illinois... made it official. So maybe Bielfeldt will look closer at Valpo?
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: wh on March 16, 2011, 10:36:51 AM
Maybe we will get a new ARC... ;)
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: sliman on March 16, 2011, 10:06:04 PM
In tonight's post-game interview, Bryce said there are a "couple" of scholarships available.  With three seniors leaving and two of those scholarships having been awarded and accepted, does this mean someone is leaving that hasn't been announced?  Or did Bryce misspeak?
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: chef on March 16, 2011, 11:40:51 PM
We started this season with 12 scholarship players. Ben Botts became number 13. Three players are graduating from the program, which takes us down to 10. Richie Edwards becomes number 11, and that leaves two available spots for next year. Thus Bryce's comment of a "couple" would be correct.
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: Pgmado on March 17, 2011, 12:06:12 AM
Ben Boggs, not Ben Botts. No IPFW needed here!
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: chef on March 17, 2011, 12:46:34 AM
DUH
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: sliman on March 17, 2011, 09:15:54 PM
Chef wrote: "We started this season with 12 scholarship players. Ben Botts became number 13. Three players are graduating from the program, which takes us down to 10. Richie Edwards becomes number 11, and that leaves two available spots for next year. Thus Bryce's comment of a "couple" would be correct."

Your summary makes sense, Chef, but I had been led to believe that we typically award only 12 scholarships and that the funds available for the 13th grant are divided for summer school costs.  Good to know we have two grants open.
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: chef on March 17, 2011, 11:36:13 PM
There have been years when we've had 13 scholarship players. I'm sure if we can find two players that our coaches feel will help the program we'll have 13 next season.
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: mj on March 18, 2011, 08:41:29 PM
I didn't know we were recruiting this guy. He looks good but isn't the big guy we need.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/126036 (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/126036)

http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news?slug=rivals-1200962 (http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news?slug=rivals-1200962)
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: vuweathernerd on March 18, 2011, 10:46:00 PM
6'4" seems a little small for a small forward.
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: valpo84 on March 19, 2011, 05:33:36 AM
Sounds like another Howard Little, which is a good thing. Plus, he comes in with a year older body. Could be a good get. Still need a good big/power forward to go with this group and it would be high + recruiting class.
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: vu72 on March 19, 2011, 08:53:34 AM
Sounds like he would/could fill Howard Little spot/role.
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: milanmiracle on March 19, 2011, 09:14:07 PM
Did I miss something here? Does Valpo really need a Howard Little spot/role? He had a nice season and all, but his role was out of necessity, not out of design.
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: vu72 on March 19, 2011, 09:34:17 PM
Quote from: milanmiracle on March 19, 2011, 09:14:07 PM
Did I miss something here? Does Valpo really need a Howard Little spot/role? He had a nice season and all, but his role was out of necessity, not out of design.

In Valpo's 3 guard offense (yes, out of necessity, not design) Howard was tough enough, and rebounded enough to play bigger than his body.  He also was the designated lockdown defender.  We will always need a lockdown defender and more likely than not, that role will be filled by a guard.  Howard played an unselfish role as well, doing what was needed on any given night.

If we can get someone to play "Howard Little's role" then that is a good thing.  From what I hear Boggs could be that guy and a better scorer on balance than Howard was.
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: milanmiracle on March 21, 2011, 04:00:31 PM
Quote from: vu72 on March 19, 2011, 09:34:17 PM
Quote from: milanmiracle on March 19, 2011, 09:14:07 PM
Did I miss something here? Does Valpo really need a Howard Little spot/role? He had a nice season and all, but his role was out of necessity, not out of design.

In Valpo's 3 guard offense (yes, out of necessity, not design) Howard was tough enough, and rebounded enough to play bigger than his body.  He also was the designated lockdown defender.  We will always need a lockdown defender and more likely than not, that role will be filled by a guard.  Howard played an unselfish role as well, doing what was needed on any given night.

If we can get someone to play "Howard Little's role" then that is a good thing.  From what I hear Boggs could be that guy and a better scorer on balance than Howard was.

I guess the question I am asking is this....Is Homer playing a three guard offense because that's what he wants, or because that's the hand he was given. Besides that, don't we already have that guy? Matt Kenney?
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: lowposter on March 22, 2011, 08:59:50 PM
I would take four more years of Howard Little.

lowposter
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: IndyValpo on March 22, 2011, 10:22:19 PM
Quote from: milanmiracle on March 19, 2011, 09:14:07 PM
Did I miss something here? Does Valpo really need a Howard Little spot/role? He had a nice season and all, but his role was out of necessity, not out of design.

Milan, did you watch Butler last year? They had a Howard Little role as a starter.  Perhaps what we are talking about is that Little played the role of Willie Veasley.
For the record the top 5 teams in the HL this year all started 3 guards so it would appear that in this league that role has value
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: sectionee on March 22, 2011, 10:49:20 PM
From how things are looking right now we will be sending out a 4 guard line up next season.  Hopefully we can find another big guy to score inside with Van Wijk otherwise. 
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: lowposter on March 23, 2011, 06:08:38 AM
The Times of Northwest Indiana today reports that Brandon Clark of Merrillville has committed to UC Santa Clara.  He had received offers from LaSalle, Bucknell, and Harvard.  VU expressed interest "at the end."

Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: rlh on March 23, 2011, 09:13:09 AM
As good as he is, and he certainly is a good point guard, he's not what we need at the moment.  I think we have anought guards...
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: milanmiracle on March 23, 2011, 11:26:39 AM
Quote from: sectionee on March 22, 2011, 10:49:20 PM
From how things are looking right now we will be sending out a 4 guard line up next season.  Hopefully we can find another big guy to score inside with Van Wijk otherwise. 

And a 4 guard lineup will be great...unless rebounding is important. Na, that doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: valpofan11 on March 24, 2011, 07:37:36 PM
We need Adonis Filer from Bishop Noll, who we have offered, or Brandon Grubl from nearby Morgan Twp. who has had his best games against good teams like Bowman.
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: cmack on March 24, 2011, 08:22:27 PM
Quote from: valpofan11 on March 24, 2011, 07:37:36 PM
We need Adonis Filer from Bishop Noll, who we have offered, or Brandon Grubl from nearby Morgan Twp. who has had his best games against good teams like Bowman.
We don't need guards.  Obviously!!!  I would still take Brandon Grubl in a heartbeat.  The kid is a winner.  I have seen him time and again lead his team to victory in big games over better teams.  Unfortunately, he will be overlooked by Valpo because he is from a small school and he can make free throws.
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: dcvalpo on March 24, 2011, 08:50:46 PM
Quote from: IndyValpo on March 22, 2011, 10:22:19 PM

Milan, did you watch Butler last year? They had a Howard Little role as a starter.  Perhaps what we are talking about is that Little played the role of Willie Veasley.
For the record the top 5 teams in the HL this year all started 3 guards so it would appear that in this league that role has value

You can do that when you have a 6'8" power forward and a 6'11" center.
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: valpofan11 on March 25, 2011, 04:38:16 PM
Well, we should then email the coaches about Grubl before he decides to go to a place like Bethel. Coach Gore needs to aware that this kid can play and he has more respect than some other players and he would be a great fit to Valpo.
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: mj on March 25, 2011, 04:55:27 PM
Looks like Max Bielfeldt is going to Michigan.
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: Valpo89 on March 25, 2011, 07:32:53 PM
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Quote from: valpofan11 on March 25, 2011, 04:38:16 PM
Well, we should then email the coaches about Grubl before he decides to go to a place like Bethel. Coach Gore needs to aware that this kid can play and he has more respect than some other players and he would be a great fit to Valpo.
I like Brandon Grubl as much as the next guy, and even told people during the season that he's the one PCC kid who could contribute on a good DAC team (Valpo, Merrillville, CP). But I don't think he could help the Crusaders, sorry about that. Filer is on another level, and he would be a great get. He would be a beast in the Horizon League at the guard position. Another target should be D.J. Balentine of Kokomo, who is just a junior.
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: valpofan11 on March 25, 2011, 09:09:50 PM
Well, we already have a lot of guards, so would that put a guy like Tommy Kurth down to bench warmer if we get Filer?
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: milanmiracle on March 25, 2011, 09:42:32 PM
Quote from: valpofan11 on March 25, 2011, 09:09:50 PM
Well, we already have a lot of guards, so would that put a guy like Tommy Kurth down to bench warmer if we get Filer?

If we're lucky...
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: lowposter on March 28, 2011, 11:10:57 AM
We need "bigs". 

But, then again, so does everyone else.

Look, the really good ones are snapped up by the majors.  No surprize.  But there are high schoolers out there that arent fully developed or fall between the cracks.  Sometimes a little work has to go into the investment.  Smoot at Crown Point is an excellent example.  D1 athletism, nearly a 4.0 student, and raw.  One could say we have two "projects" on the roster now.  Well, perhaps after this time, that is one too many.

I am not sure we can pickup Filer at this point.  His stock has risen dramatically this year.  The Times indicated he now has interest from some larger programs.

Grubl will probably be a D1 player.  He is very athletic and his eyes just seem to get huge when he sees big time talent on the floor.  Word is that he is a very smart kid too.  That is a great combo for mid majors D1's.
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: valpofan11 on March 28, 2011, 11:14:47 AM
I hope Grubl plays D1 too. I think he really deserves it because his shots that he makes are crazy. I don't think we'll get Filer, but if for some reason we take Grubl where do you see him playing? 2 or 3 because he is about 6'3".
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: valporun on March 28, 2011, 06:35:55 PM
We have a strong possibility of a "nudge" for Filer to consider Valpo. The head coach at Bishop Noll is a Valpo grad, and I believe was either a basketball manager, or on the scout team, in his time at VU?
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: lowposter on March 29, 2011, 09:38:38 AM
Good article on Coach Trost last week in the Times of NW Indiana.  He was involved at VU, perhaps as a walkon then played at Calumet for a year and graduated  at VU.

The question is...how much influence does he have with the young man?  Or does his AAU coach have more?

Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: cmack on March 29, 2011, 11:13:28 AM
Right now it would seem ridiculous to pick up Grubl because of our glut of guards and lack of post players, but I think he is a guy that we would regret missing out on down the road.  Ideally, I would like to see Homer sit someone down and discuss their future prospects with the program and maybe another scholarship will open up for another crap shoot at a big.  I know some may think that is such a terrible thing to say, but let's be real, we have some nonD-1 talent on our roster.
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: DMvalpo18 on March 31, 2011, 01:16:49 PM
Quote from: cmack on March 29, 2011, 11:13:28 AM
Right now it would seem ridiculous to pick up Grubl because of our glut of guards and lack of post players, but I think he is a guy that we would regret missing out on down the road.  Ideally, I would like to see Homer sit someone down and discuss their future prospects with the program and maybe another scholarship will open up for another crap shoot at a big.  I know some may think that is such a terrible thing to say, but let's be real, we have some nonD-1 talent on our roster.


what exactly are you getting at here? are you saying you think homer should find a way to dump a few guys on the roster to open some scholarships to use to get a shot at good bigs?
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: lowposter on March 31, 2011, 01:50:10 PM
Athletic scholarships are renewable yearly.

Nick Saban at Alabama has used this quite effectively.

There was discussion here last year about a couple of young men that left the program.  No one every suggested that Homer pulled the scholarships, but players usually see writing on the wall.

lowposter
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: dcvalpo on March 31, 2011, 04:01:51 PM
Let's not sink to the level of Nick Saban, please.
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: cmack on March 31, 2011, 04:40:41 PM
I know that it would be a ridiculous concept for any player to leave Valpo with a grim prospect of playing time on the horizon.  Of course, I ask that you possibly open your eyes to see that a few players have gone down this route already.  Or should we just pretend that it hasn't?
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: rlh on March 31, 2011, 05:08:03 PM
Quote from: cmack on March 31, 2011, 04:40:41 PM
I know that it would be a ridiculous concept for any player to leave Valpo with a grim prospect of playing time on the horizon.  Of course, I ask that you possibly open your eyes to see that a few players have gone down this route already.  Or should we just pretend that it hasn't?
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.  Possibly a player or two will leave, as has happened in the past, and happens everywhere.  That's one reason coaches are always recruiting, because of that eventuallity.  What are you trying to say?
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: vu72 on March 31, 2011, 05:31:44 PM
I guess I don't know who would consider leaving.  Two guys didn't play much last year and one will be a senior with an enhanced chance at playing time now that Cory has left.  The other will be just a sophomore, eligibility wise and may also see some playing time with more to come as he hopefully continues to improve.

Who else?  While we on paper have plenty of point guards, Harris likely will move to the 2, particularly if Brandon does go pro.  Sure we have a bunch of guards but as we saw this year, with injuries and a more uptempo offense, we needed them.  Don't see anyone leaving.
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: cmack on March 31, 2011, 06:26:08 PM
Quote from: rlh on March 31, 2011, 05:08:03 PM
Quote from: cmack on March 31, 2011, 04:40:41 PM
I know that it would be a ridiculous concept for any player to leave Valpo with a grim prospect of playing time on the horizon.  Of course, I ask that you possibly open your eyes to see that a few players have gone down this route already.  Or should we just pretend that it hasn't?
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.  Possibly a player or two will leave, as has happened in the past, and happens everywhere.  That's one reason coaches are always recruiting, because of that eventuallity.  What are you trying to say?
rlh, best for you to just ignore my posts on this topic.  In the rainbows and sunshine world of Valpo hoops you live in, these things don't happen.  That is fine.  Nothing to see here.
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: cmack on March 31, 2011, 06:29:36 PM
Quote from: vu72 on March 31, 2011, 05:31:44 PM
I guess I don't know who would consider leaving.  Two guys didn't play much last year and one will be a senior with an enhanced chance at playing time now that Cory has left.  The other will be just a sophomore, eligibility wise and may also see some playing time with more to come as he hopefully continues to improve.

Who else?  While we on paper have plenty of point guards, Harris likely will move to the 2, particularly if Brandon does go pro.  Sure we have a bunch of guards but as we saw this year, with injuries and a more uptempo offense, we needed them.  Don't see anyone leaving.
Good point,  I guess I would hope that we aren't bringing in new recruits to sit back and watch for a year.  For the most part, I roster probably is what it is.  Middle of the pack.
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: milanmiracle on March 31, 2011, 06:37:06 PM
Quote from: rlh on March 31, 2011, 05:08:03 PM
Quote from: cmack on March 31, 2011, 04:40:41 PM
I know that it would be a ridiculous concept for any player to leave Valpo with a grim prospect of playing time on the horizon.  Of course, I ask that you possibly open your eyes to see that a few players have gone down this route already.  Or should we just pretend that it hasn't?
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.  Possibly a player or two will leave, as has happened in the past, and happens everywhere.  That's one reason coaches are always recruiting, because of that eventuallity.  What are you trying to say?
I think you know where this is going...maybe ever so gently nudge a player or two out the door in order to recruit a better player or free up a spot for a transfer
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: justducky on March 31, 2011, 08:21:36 PM
Quote from: milanmiracle on March 31, 2011, 06:37:06 PM
Quote from: rlh on March 31, 2011, 05:08:03 PM
Quote from: cmack on March 31, 2011, 04:40:41 PM
I know that it would be a ridiculous concept for any player to leave Valpo with a grim prospect of playing time on the horizon.  Of course, I ask that you possibly open your eyes to see that a few players have gone down this route already.  Or should we just pretend that it hasn't?
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.  Possibly a player or two will leave, as has happened in the past, and happens everywhere.  That's one reason coaches are always recruiting, because of that eventuallity.  What are you trying to say?
I think you know where this is going...maybe ever so gently nudge a player or two out the door in order to recruit a better player or free up a spot for a transfer
So what are the spots you want to free up? Vucic is a project but still has 3 years to develop.Kurth played 18 minutes per game as a freshman and will return much improved. That would leave Cameron Witt who is better than Vucic and as a senior might be able able to contribute. Thats not an easy choice for even an unprincipled coach. But I am willing to agree that unprincipled coaches are much easier to find than big time centers.
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: cmack on March 31, 2011, 09:29:00 PM
You did identify the 2 best options.  I do feel Vucic to be a total loss even if he were 10 feet tall.  I am not sure other than height what our coaching staff saw in him when they went to see him play.   Poor Tommie,  like him, but I don't see him moving ahead of anyone on the depth chart over the next 3 years.  I just don't see how the redshirt year helps him.  He is a slower Buggs which we have established as a liability on offense unless he finds a perimeter shot.
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: rlh on March 31, 2011, 09:43:22 PM
Quote from: cmack on March 31, 2011, 09:29:00 PM
You did identify the 2 best options.  I do feel Vucic to be a total loss even if he were 10 feet tall.  I am not sure other than height what our coaching staff saw in him when they went to see him play.   Poor Tommie,  like him, but I don't see him moving ahead of anyone on the depth chart over the next 3 years.  I just don't see how the redshirt year helps him.  He is a slower Buggs which we have established as a liability on offense unless he finds a perimeter shot.
So you're answer is to force players to leave.  FYI, the coaches meet with each player individually and tell them where they stand in their minds and what they think they need do to improve.  If the player then decides it's best for them to leave for somewhere else, that's certainly understandable.....BUT I would hate for us to become one of those schools who force kids to leave.  If that's what you want, then you need to find another school to support.
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: DMvalpo18 on March 31, 2011, 09:44:23 PM
Quote from: cmack on March 31, 2011, 09:29:00 PM
You did identify the 2 best options.  I do feel Vucic to be a total loss even if he were 10 feet tall.  I am not sure other than height what our coaching staff saw in him when they went to see him play.   Poor Tommie,  like him, but I don't see him moving ahead of anyone on the depth chart over the next 3 years.  I just don't see how the redshirt year helps him.  He is a slower Buggs which we have established as a liability on offense unless he finds a perimeter shot.

in all fairness, i don't think we have anybody else as fast as buggs. still, i wonder if he will be able to consistently hit some outside shots. that would certainly make a more dangerous offensive threat.
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: mj on March 31, 2011, 10:35:49 PM
I agree that we might be better off without Vucic. It's nice that he's tall but he's missing the athleticism. Besides Alec Brown (which is the best case scenario for Vucic) I can't think of another player we faced similar to Vucic (tall, skinner, not that athletic). I'd rather see us bring in another player that is a little more athletic and might be able to help right away.

I disagree about Kurth. He was ranked an 83 by ESPN coming out of HS and they noted his athleticism(see the common theme here?). I know his freshman season was rough but I think he might be the type of player to break out, especially if he gains the confidence to start shooting.

Before taking into account new players, I think our roster is better than middle of the pack. Especially considering what other teams in the league lost to graduation.
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: milanmiracle on April 01, 2011, 10:23:11 PM
Quote from: rlh on March 31, 2011, 09:43:22 PM
Quote from: cmack on March 31, 2011, 09:29:00 PM
You did identify the 2 best options.  I do feel Vucic to be a total loss even if he were 10 feet tall.  I am not sure other than height what our coaching staff saw in him when they went to see him play.   Poor Tommie,  like him, but I don't see him moving ahead of anyone on the depth chart over the next 3 years.  I just don't see how the redshirt year helps him.  He is a slower Buggs which we have established as a liability on offense unless he finds a perimeter shot.
So you're answer is to force players to leave.  FYI, the coaches meet with each player individually and tell them where they stand in their minds and what they think they need do to improve.  If the player then decides it's best for them to leave for somewhere else, that's certainly understandable.....BUT I would hate for us to become one of those schools who force kids to leave.  If that's what you want, then you need to find another school to support.

I think there's a difference between forcing a player to leave and letting them know they'll never see the court as long as they stay. Semantics? Yes. Reality? Maybe.

I can't say for certain what happened with Halvorsen, but that sure seemed like what was going on. He played for a few minutes early on, and then never played again, even during blowouts. Then, like the wind, he was gone. I know he was injured some of that time, but I think the writing was on the wall.
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: bbtds on April 02, 2011, 07:33:34 AM
Quote from: milanmiracle on April 01, 2011, 10:23:11 PM

I can't say for certain what happened with Halvorsen, but that sure seemed like what was going on. He played for a few minutes early on, and then never played again, even during blowouts. Then, like the wind, he was gone. I know he was injured some of that time, but I think the writing was on the wall.

If Halvorson sees more floor time at Minnesota than at Valpo I will be surprised.
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: milanmiracle on April 02, 2011, 11:48:03 AM
Quote from: bbtds on April 02, 2011, 07:33:34 AM
Quote from: milanmiracle on April 01, 2011, 10:23:11 PM

I can't say for certain what happened with Halvorsen, but that sure seemed like what was going on. He played for a few minutes early on, and then never played again, even during blowouts. Then, like the wind, he was gone. I know he was injured some of that time, but I think the writing was on the wall.

If Halvorson sees more floor time at Minnesota than at Valpo I will be surprised.

I won't be too surprised if he sees more time at Minnesota than VU. He'll get those minutes during blowout wins against Southeast Northwest Middle of Nowhere State University - Springfield. I don't expect him to do much other than be a nice player to have in practice
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: mj on April 07, 2011, 12:46:01 AM
Valpo was in the hunt but Damion Lee chose Drexel recently. A 6'4" small forward, he seemed to have some talent but he wasn't the big man that we need.
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: valpofan11 on April 10, 2011, 07:34:29 AM
We won't have Filer next year because he's going to Brewster Prep in NH.
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: valpo84 on April 13, 2011, 02:53:23 AM
Maybe we should be hiring Northwestern's assistant coach to help with big guy recruiting. (And yes I know he went to Valpo, and yes he once was an assistant; he's doing a great job at NW).

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/cbsports-two-big-men-commit-to-northwestern-20110412,0,7122549.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/cbsports-two-big-men-commit-to-northwestern-20110412,0,7122549.story)
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: agibson on April 13, 2011, 03:35:21 AM
I didn't realize Vujic was at Northwestern (DePaul befoer that?) - cool!  Nor that he didn't graduate, but finished his degree while an assistant at Valpo.
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: tommydee on April 13, 2011, 08:25:23 PM
there is a big difference between NW and Valpo.....and a big difference between 40,000$ and 80 to 90000$.     lol
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: walldozer on April 18, 2011, 09:35:51 AM
Just throwing this out there, but do you think that Valpo might have any chance with Garrick Sherman the Michigan State Center that just left MSU's program?  Searching the internet a bit, it sounds like there might be some MAC schools on the radar for him (among many other spots he might land).  Also, interestingly, I saw a message board post (so please take it for what it is worth) that said his fiancee that attends IUPFW and he may want to stay close to her.

I may be dreaming here, but Sherman would be an absolutley perfect pick up for Valpo's program and we have been getting a lot of transfers similar to this in recent years.
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: milanmiracle on April 18, 2011, 10:58:08 AM
Quote from: walldozer on April 18, 2011, 09:35:51 AM
Just throwing this out there, but do you think that Valpo might have any chance with Garrick Sherman the Michigan State Center that just left MSU's program?  Searching the internet a bit, it sounds like there might be some MAC schools on the radar for him (among many other spots he might land).  Also, interestingly, I saw a message board post (so please take it for what it is worth) that said his fiancee that attends IUPFW and he may want to stay close to her.

I may be dreaming here, but Sherman would be an absolutley perfect pick up for Valpo's program and we have been getting a lot of transfers similar to this in recent years.

From the sounds of it, Notre Dame is a likely landing point. According to the article, Butler is in the mix as well, though it doesn't sound likely.

http://blogs.indystar.com/butler/2011/04/15/dawg-recruiting-update/ (http://blogs.indystar.com/butler/2011/04/15/dawg-recruiting-update/)
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: walldozer on April 18, 2011, 01:50:13 PM
Quote from: milanmiracle on April 18, 2011, 10:58:08 AM
Quote from: walldozer on April 18, 2011, 09:35:51 AM
Just throwing this out there, but do you think that Valpo might have any chance with Garrick Sherman the Michigan State Center that just left MSU's program?  Searching the internet a bit, it sounds like there might be some MAC schools on the radar for him (among many other spots he might land).  Also, interestingly, I saw a message board post (so please take it for what it is worth) that said his fiancee that attends IUPFW and he may want to stay close to her.

I may be dreaming here, but Sherman would be an absolutley perfect pick up for Valpo's program and we have been getting a lot of transfers similar to this in recent years.

From the sounds of it, Notre Dame is a likely landing point. According to the article, Butler is in the mix as well, though it doesn't sound likely.


Shoot!  Wishful thinking on my part.
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: sliman on April 20, 2011, 10:41:30 AM
How about a trade:  Wood for Sherman?     :-)
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: walldozer on April 20, 2011, 12:38:12 PM
Quote from: sliman on April 20, 2011, 10:41:30 AM
How about a trade:  Wood for Sherman?     :-)

Funny, I was just thinking that myself.
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: milanmiracle on April 20, 2011, 06:41:00 PM
Quote from: walldozer on April 20, 2011, 12:38:12 PM
Quote from: sliman on April 20, 2011, 10:41:30 AM
How about a trade:  Wood for Sherman?     :-)

Funny, I was just thinking that myself.

While I am one of the people screaming for a big man, that's a trade I would not make. I wouldn't trade Wood for much of anything.
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: walldozer on April 21, 2011, 12:59:07 PM
Quote from: milanmiracle on April 20, 2011, 06:41:00 PM
Quote from: walldozer on April 20, 2011, 12:38:12 PM
Quote from: sliman on April 20, 2011, 10:41:30 AM
How about a trade:  Wood for Sherman?     :-)

Funny, I was just thinking that myself.

While I am one of the people screaming for a big man, that's a trade I would not make. I wouldn't trade Wood for much of anything.

You are right.  I do not want to loose Wood myself and I am hoping that he comes back to good old Valpo.  The thought of the Shermanator to Valpo makes me drool.  The thought of Wood to anywhere makes me cry.  It just made me smile to think that if MSU were going to get Wood from us, the least they could do would be to send Sherman our way to help with our loss.  :-)  Bottom line STAY Brandon, Brandon STAY!!  We need more Wood!!  
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: valpospartan on April 21, 2011, 08:37:39 PM
I just can't see any upside for Michigan State to take Brandon. and I mean absolutely nothing negative towards him.  Tom Izzo has a ridiculous number of set plays, which could take a while to get comfortable with.  I think his playing time would be reduced, which defeats the purpose of transferring.
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: VU75 on April 22, 2011, 06:44:36 PM
Today' s Trib had  a story on DePaul point guard Mike Bizoukas from Muster.  He's a redshirt junior who will graduate in June with another year of eligibility  has been told that his scholarship will not be renewed for a fifth year, (he was recruited by the previous coach).  Bizoukas will be able to play next year as a Grad School student and has been contacted by UIC and Loyola-Maryland.  He  is is quoted in the story as saying that he has heard that Valpo is also interested. 
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: wh on April 22, 2011, 07:13:37 PM
Quote from: VU75 on April 22, 2011, 06:44:36 PM
He  is is quoted in the story as saying that he has heard that Valpo is also interested. 

I seriously doubt it.  He averaged 1 ppg this season, 0 starts, and shot 35% from the field on possibly the worst D-1 Major in the country.  On a good night we would have beaten DePaul by 15-20 points.   
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: rlh on April 22, 2011, 08:10:48 PM
Coming out of high school, VU showed some interest....and he was definitely interested in the Crusaders.  They never offered him although he was their's for the taking, or so I'm told.  He can't beat out the guys we have, so would not be a good get for us.  He's  a prime example of what I was saying in an earlier discussion, I'd hate to see us get the point of not renewing guys scholarships just because they are not the player we were hoping they would be...he gave them three years of play, and just because there is a new coach should have at least been allowed to finish.  I have a problem with this type of thing and hope we never get into it. 
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: valpospartan on April 22, 2011, 09:58:12 PM
Quote from: rlh on April 22, 2011, 08:10:48 PM
Coming out of high school, VU showed some interest....and he was definitely interested in the Crusaders.  They never offered him although he was their's for the taking, or so I'm told.  He can't beat out the guys we have, so would not be a good get for us.  He's  a prime example of what I was saying in an earlier discussion, I'd hate to see us get the point of not renewing guys scholarships just because they are not the player we were hoping they would be...he gave them three years of play, and just because there is a new coach should have at least been allowed to finish.  I have a problem with this type of thing and hope we never get into it. 

Me to, rlh!
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: sectionee on April 22, 2011, 10:40:49 PM
I don't know, I don't really see an issue with DePaul telling him his scholarship is gone since he is graduating.  It is not like they are taking it away after two years and leaving him stuck to finish paying his own way through school. 
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: valpo84 on April 25, 2011, 08:37:39 PM
Twitterverse reporting Sherman to ND:

tnoie Thomas R. Noie by goodmanonfox
#NotreDame has picked up a commitment tonight.....from Garrick Sherman, a transfer from Michigan State.
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: IndyValpo on May 06, 2011, 07:42:37 AM
Bizoukas has plenty of options
By Mike Hutton on May 3, 2011 3:17 PM

Munster graduate Mike Bizoukas has offers from Creighton, Missouri State, Valparaiso University, UIC, Wright State, Loyola of Chicago, Western Kentucky and Loyola of Maryland, according to his father, Nick Bizoukas.

Bizoukas was released from the final year of scholarship from DePaul last month.

No word yet on when Bizoukas will make a final decision.
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: DMvalpo18 on May 08, 2011, 09:54:24 PM
does anybody know of players that are actively being pursued by us at the moment? looks like people are saying mike bizoukas is being pursued. can i get filled in?
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: sectionee on May 08, 2011, 10:13:33 PM
I can't imagine there would be much along the lines of an instant impact player available at this point for next year. 
Title: Re: Recruits
Post by: DMvalpo18 on May 08, 2011, 10:25:17 PM
Quote from: sectionee on May 08, 2011, 10:13:33 PM
I can't imagine there would be much along the lines of an instant impact player available at this point for next year. 

i'm happy to take the three new comers. dino is intriguing because of his size for his position. edwards could help us beef up the interior, and boggs i'm hoping can help provide solid guard play. if he made it on an acc team than i am thinking he can be a contributor here. hopefully he can start contributing sooner rather than later.