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[I don't think you really know how things work, do you? At least where "things" = "college sports".]

it doesn't reflect any more poorly on the coaching staff than it does the Man in the Moon

I don't think you really know how things work, do you?  At least where "things" = "college sports".

(I don't know how to show tweets here so I just copied & pasted this here.)

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This was my point. As for the student athletes, the punishment, and the hype will come and go. All universities battle with these types of situations. The underage recruits is a whole different story. These kids family and school entrusted these kids' well being to The coaching staff and Valpo. The fact that the coaches knew nothing about them attending this party is irrelevant, much like a parent who's child has a friend sleep over and they sneak out and get arrested for something. At the end of the day, the buck stops with the coaches.

Making light of it certainly won't help either. Is it the end of the world? No. Will this pass? Yes. But consider this. Apparently there was a recruit visiting  campus and was at this party along with their freshman sponsor. A high school senior!!!. How does this paint the coaching staff that invited them here? As I said, student athletes MUST be held to a higher standard for very obvious reasons. At the end of the day, some very poor decisions were made by a lot of young people.

...and, not to mention that due to the large number of student athletes involved this is getting national publicity.  Do a Google search - it's everywhere.

It certainly is. I hate it for the kids that are doing the right things and honoring the commitment they made to come to Valpo. I said it was kids making bad decisions. To take it a step further, it was a very selfish decision at that. They never considered how this would affect their school, teammates, and coaches. I am surprised there are some here making light of it. I feel for all who were adversely affected that had no part in it. Getting dragged through the mud for something you had no involvement in is a tough pill to swallow.

Making light of it certainly won't help either. Is it the end of the world? No. Will this pass? Yes. But consider this. Apparently there was a recruit visiting  campus and was at this party along with their freshman sponsor. A high school senior!!!. How does this paint the coaching staff that invited them here? As I said, student athletes MUST be held to a higher standard for very obvious reasons. At the end of the day, some very poor decisions were made by a lot of young people.

Examining the list of students charged, I know quite a few of them, some better than others, and I regard them as good young men and women, usually positive ambassadors for Valparaiso. Paul knows more of them than I do, and he knows them even better; therefore, I want to repeat an interesting point Paul raised that seems worth noting, the fact that more than 100 students were at a party and apprehended by the police, yet all the authorities found was alcohol, and the worst offenses concerned underage drinking. Among all those students, most of whom are athletes, not a single discovery of any kind of drugs and no incident of violence.

I think it is odd that all of those under age were arrested.  I don't know about the town versus University problems, except that all towns with universities will have some problems.  I lived in Valpo as a young child and attended VU in the 1980's  I also had aunts, uncles, and cousins from Valpo the town, as well as VU grads.  When I was in school and there was an off campus party that the police had reason to stop and investigate, there were never 100 people in a house that size.  Were there some underage people there?  Yes.  Were they drinking?  Yes.  The police were there to respond to some complaint - noise usually, but I'm sure parking would have been an issue in last weekends case.  The police were not there to make arrests, but to get people to leave and not return, due to the noise. 

I don't know all of the situations from last weekend, but I'm sure that not allowing them to enter the house provoked some of the response.  It is possible that the Valparaiso Police now have a policy when finding underage people drinking to give them all breathalyzers, and if found with alcohol in their system, to arrest them.  Such a policy could be to limit liability - just imagine if they had broken up the party and someone leaving the party was later injured (or worse), or caused damage.  The judge could have also advised the officers to use the fullest extent of the law.  I'm sure the first officers at the scene wanted their superiors to make such a decision.  Other than hiding, it appears there was little resisting arrest.  As Tx recalled from his experience, why did the young lady that fell through the ceiling need to hide, especially if she had nothing to drink?  If you run, they catch you; if you hide, they find you.  Why push/provoke the police? 

As valporun has stated, most of these students are good people.  I don't envy the coaches nor the administration in coming down with some punishment.  In one-on-one situations, most of us would tend to know when a 18-20 year old that we work with on a near daily basis is truly remorseful.  Especially when they have been respectful, honest and full of integrity in your dealings with them in the past.  I'm sure running, community service and some kind of game suspension will be involved.

Had I been one of the police officers, I think that I would have used the breathalyzer to determine which people of age would be able to drive others home.  Those that were under 21 with alcohol on the breathalyzer would have their name taken down, sternly warned that they could have been arrested, and told that in mid May, when their name had not come up again with the Valpo PD, the list would be thrown away.  The main thing would be to break up the party and make sure everyone gets home safely.

My guess is, had the two hosting the party have cooperated when the police arrive, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. When you demand a search warrant, the police must call and wake up a judge who will issue it. If I'm that judge, you can bet that inconvenience is going to cost someone some headaches. We've probably all been to campus parties a time or two, and back in the day, they would have just told everyone to go home. Times have changed, the hosts provoked the officers, and there you have it. If you wake up a judge, someone will be getting arrested. The fact that there were so many athletes involved isn't too surprising, but the fact that there were any involved that are "in season" is a bit troubling. The university invest an awful lot in these athletes, and now the in season athletes will be suspended, I'm guessing, at least 2 games. This hurts their teammates as well. As someone else mentioned, these players have to realize that they are being held to a higher standard, and the punishment for their actions should highlight why. As a scenario:  What if it was tourney time, and 3 or 4 of your top players were caught and couldn't participate. You lose the game, and your shot at making the NCAA big dance? The financial hit to your school would be huge. I know it's a stretch, but it certainly could go that way. That's exactly why these schools, who have a lot invested in these players, absolutely have a right to hold them to a higher standard. Another longer lasting byproduct of all of this is that these kids now have a police record. This could affect job opportunities and insurance premiums. It's a shame what happened as I'm sure these were all good kids that just made a bad decision.   

I think our guards are about as fast as any we face to be honest. I also think one on one, they do a decent job with the ball while being pressured, and apply decent pressure on the defensive end. The fact that we don't get out on the shooters is more about the defense we run, and not the speed. The issues we have with the press, in my opinion, are because our outlet receivers always seem to be out of position to receive the ball. Watch this aspect the next contest where a team chooses to press. You can't be successful in breaking a press if you don't have an outlet in position. 

43-19 Illinois at the half. Yikes. Here's to hoping the two PG's coming in next year being an upgrade athletically on the offensive and defensive sides of the ball.

Not a fair assessment. I felt our starting PG played as well as she could given the apponent. The many of the Turn overs credited to her were in fact passes not handled by her teammates.
This game may have been a closer contest if we didn't have players out with injuries and if all who participated came to play. Taller more active PGs wouldn't have won this one. We won the second half vs their starters. That showed a ton of grit.

I did a little more research and the 15 must be her AAU stats

i thought the 15 must be her AGE stats

Typically a player has better high school stats than AAU stats as they are playing with better talent and aren't needed to be the workhorse like they are in high school. Just saying.

I take the rebound numbers by position with a grain of salt when the past two games have been 3 point shooting fests. Longer shots lead to longer rebounds hence why the guards are grabbing about the same amount of rebounds as our posts are. And overall the
rebound numbers were skewed from the Tulsa game because we missed more shots than they did. They only had one more offense rebound (11) than us (10) which lead to only 4 second chance points from them. I'll take that any day of the week. Also, when a girl from Tulsa comes in having scored a total of 14 points all year and puts up 16, that's something you cannot prepare for.

As far as my execution comment, that includes rotation on defense. The girls have to be able to get out to the shooters and were continually caught too far in help side and were not able to recover. And regarding players slashing into the lane, not every offense is suited for that. This team's isn't, same goes for our men's team. In our women's offense a random player making a cut will either add a defender to the lane to clog it up for our posts or will hinder a guard making a move towards the lane off of the ball screen.
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Unfortunately the coaching staff takes the rebounding stats, apparently as you do, with a grain of salt. Are you watching the SD game? First half - down by 20 - 1.5 min. To go - we need points bad - our two leading scorers are on the bench - neither in foul trouble. Alright then. Granted, we have players that didn't come to play, but we also have some that did. Not fair to put all the blame on the players as you seem to do.

This is a matter of the girls' executing. I guarantee the coaches were preaching those things to the girls. All you have to do is watch the bench reaction before a shot is even taken. They are yelling before the pass even goes to the shooter. This was 5 point game half way through the 2nd half. And that is when we subbed back in Abby, and I hate calling anyone specifically out, but she was awful yesterday. After that substitution the lead went to 14 like a snap of a finger. She is arguably our best player, and best defender. When she doesn't show up it doesn't bode well going against a team like Tulsa they way they shot the ball.

This game was closer than the score says. Much like the men's game last night, we were down by double figures and started to panic taking bad shots.

Execution was only a part of the problem. There is an issue with the philosophy, and what target areas they need to concentrate on as well, in my opinion. We are rarely in position to block out, and we don't rotate to step out on their shooters. We have no one slashing into the lanes to the basket on offense. We are too vanilla and easy to defend.
We you get beat exactly the same way, by the same margin, 2 games in a row, something needs to change. When your point guard is the second leading rebounder in a contest, something needs to change. We have a lot of talent with this group, they just need more direction. Tulsa will not be the last team we face this season that can rain 3s. Look at the tape if you have access and see how many of their shots were uncontested.
You are right, execution has been an issue, but it certainly isn't the only issue.   

Like a broken record. This coaching staff has no clue how to adjust to the game they faced in the first half. Exactly the same outcome as Miami. We didn't step out on the 3s, and we didn't crash the boards. Good night Valpo. Thanks for playing.

Miami has struggled from 3 so far this season, but it was a given this wasn't going to continue for ever. Even with that, we never made any adjustments to what they were having success with. It's like we go into a game with a plan with no counter plan if things aren't working. We have to be able to adjust what we are doing both offensively and defensively to get the opponent out of rhythm. We didn't seem to be trying anything different. And when you're down 15, 17, 20+ in the second half, the clock is not your friend. We repeatedly worked the clock down on our offensive possessions. We played like we had the lead. Another telling issue - We have the ball, coming in off of a timeout, 3 seconds to shoot, and we get a clock violation. We weren't even looking to put it up. Wouldn't that be the last thing the coaches tell the players before they come out on the floor? That one truly baffled me.
As for the press break, it did work well against Louisville. Miami saw this too and knew what they needed to do create issues. Our outlet players were out of position most of the game. Another adjustment that didn't take place.
We have the talent to be competitive in the HL this season. We just need to shore up our plan.

That was a team loss, not a player loss. The players struggled with aspects of the game they shouldn't have. For one, when a team is pressing full court, why do we not have an outlet player center court? They were able to trap use by just waiting to see which side of the floor we dribbled up, and then pounce. We don't put an outlet player center court to counter this. Is that the players fault? And it's not like it happened just once. We never adjusted. I'm not sure what game film we broke down for this one, but in the second half it appeared we were playing a team we had never seen before. We never adjusted to their outside shooters. It certainly appeared that Miami did their homework on us.
We could breakdown all aspects of this game and see where it got away from us, but at the end of the day, we just weren't prepared physically, or mentally, to come out in the second half and play with a lead. That is very disheartening. As I said, this was a team loss, not just a player loss.   

Though attention Sunday certainly belonged to the men's team, the women's team faced a test in their game against #12 ranked Louisville. The team was apprehensive at the beginning. In fact, before the game our players were heard commenting in awe on the size of the Louisville players. In appearance, the lack of size and speed in our players when contrasted with those on the Louisville team made it seem almost as if a middle school team were playing against a university team. Nevertheless, the women played with grit and gave full effort throughout. The start of the game saw Valpo hanging tough with Louisville, trailing only 7-6 after the first 5 minutes. However, by halftime the gap had grown to 48-24. Yet, rather than give up, the women played well and only lost the second half by a margin of 38-35.

Valpo shot 44% for the game, but the size of Louisville (especially with Sharon sidelined with a foot injury) caused a 48-30 difference in rebounds, and their speed led to 13 steals by Louisville. In the post-game conference, Coach Dorow and the players justifiably maintained their confidence and even seemed heartened by the performance against such elite competition.

A couple of things of note: To only get outrebounded by 18 against that team, in my opinion, was a victory in that respect. Having 8 players at 6ft + against our ladies, they should have doubled up on the boards. Having said that, we still struggled with the bunnies. That can not happen in league play, period. It's about concentration. We have to get that under control. And finally, the turnovers. We made their numbers look good with our sloppy passing. The passes were slow, telegraphed, and all of them high. I don't know what it is, but women's teams never seem to want to bounce pass. We have a few players that are pretty decent at it, but for the most part, the rest treat it as a foreign concept. Bounce passing is critical, especially against a long armed team such as Louisville.
All and all, I'd say we showed a lot of grit in this contest. We need to keep working hard and correcting the missed bunnies and turnovers. Next up; Miami. These guys are struggling this season. They are 1 - 3, and took it on the chin vs Oakland. This should be a winnable contest for us. Go Lady Crusaiders.

I hope you are right. I was replying to your comment that it wasn't anything we did wrong. If we are to have an improved season, we need to realize we did many things wrong and work to correct them. We have a couple of tough games ahead, and win or lose, we must keep improving as we worked towards conference play.

That's a copout. Granted, they were hitting lights out, but saying it wasn't anything we did wrong is being disingenuous to this team. We did plenty wrong. We weren't rotating on defense, we panicked when we got down and were taking ill advised shots, we continue digging ourselves a hole with our inability to hold onto the ball, and we are telegraphing our passes. We weren't talking out on the floor, and our vets weren't picking up our rookies. I could go on, but I think I made the point I was after. This was a breakdown in all aspects of the game. How you go from Saturday's outing to this is a mystery to me. Akron is good team, but not IU good. We never tried to assert ourselves in any phase of the game. We gave in very early on and started playing the game they hoped we would play. Beating this team was a tall order, but being embarrassed by them shouldn't be acceptable.
This team has a lot to talk about before Louisville comes to town.

I look forward to this Akron game.  I also look forward to the person who stated that we were putting 'D2' talent on the floor, eating their words this season

Looks like you might be eating your words in this one. The way we are playing tonight, a D2 team would work us over. Why Dorrow hasn't sat her starters and clear the bench is beyond me. Even the announcers are laughing at us. Was considering making it to the Louisville game, but probably time to reconsider. This is the worst I have seen us play in 2 years. We totally have given up on defense. Going to be a fun ride home I am sure. No one is taking charge on the floor or the bench. Total breakdown by all.
We weren't ready for prime time.

Good for her. It's great to watch her confidence grow with each game. We have some quality young talent to compliment our veterans. The vets are playing better too it seems, knowing they have some help, and players are getting healthy. This might be the most talent we've had in some time.

I believe TT is a better ball team then they appeared to be last night. One, I felt our D was at a level they weren't used to seeing yet this season.  Two, when you face a team that's hitting from outside by multiple players, it takes some time to make the needed adjustments.  I believe knocking down that first 3 after they jumped out to a 2 - 0 lead was huge in setting the tone for the game.

Ask and ye shall receive. Carr with a much improved performance all around tonight which is what I believed to be one o,f it not the main factor in tonight's impressive showing. Tennessee Tech had a lot of athletes and some solid size on the court, they should be a quality team this year. Probably the best win this regime has had since it's win over IU on the opening game 2 years ago.
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I have to agree, this was one of their bigger wins. Carr showed why she's one of the team leaders. Much of what she did in this contest doesn't show up on any stat sheet. She kept her teammates engaged, directed traffic, and did a great job of handling the press. Kudos to her.
I thought the newbies played more focused and with confidence. They are improving with each game. That is key. We have a better shooting group than we've had in some time. It was good seeing Jessie W. get out there and drop 3 - 3's. We need that contribution from her. We are making ourselves tough to defend with our outside game right now. I know it's early, but if we are picked to finish 8th in this league, there must be some very, very good teams in the Horizon league this year.
Keep it going ladies!

Karungi went down with an injury in the IU game. It appeared to be a leg injury. The fact that she was riding a bike is a good sign.
The first half of last night's game went well. I think it'll take some time for the newbies to learn how to play with a nice lead. putting a team away when you have them on the ropes comes with experience.
The second half stats were a bit concerning. This game shouldn't have been this close. We got sloppy with the ball and all but quit playing defense the final 5 minutes. Probably some residual runover from the IU beatdown.
Carr didn't have one of her better games. I believe she ended with 6 pts., 5 turnovers, 0 assit., and 4 fouls. Some of the turnovers were lack of concentration. The assist were 0, but could have been 5 if the players she was getting the ball to could have finished. I follow the assist, but since they take 2 to complete, I don't put a bunch of stock in them for individual numbers. I felt she was getting the ball where she needed to at times. That's all the guards can do. I felt our guards played well overall. Our bigs need to position and clear out underneath and give them lanes to pass to.
The first half we defended about as good as we can I think.
It got ugly, but it was still a W. Like mentioned, we are 2-1, which we haven't seen in a while. Hopefully they can take the positives and build on them for tomorrow nights game.

Beating this IU squad was certainly a tall order, but I thought it would be a closer contest. Some of our girls looked a little "star struck" to start the game. The guards were doing a decent job containing Buss out on top, but when she did get buy our bigs weren't sliding over and picking her up. We made it too easy for her. There are certainly things we learned and need to work on. it was probably a good outing for our newbies to see what we will be up against this season. We will never be the bigger team so we have to figure out ways to get it done. I spent most of the night watching our inside game on offense and defense. I hope when the coaches watch this one they see the following.
Our footwork inside on both sides of the ball is horrendous. Our block out technique is terrible. many times we would get position, with our weight shifted to the foot farthest from the basket. it was way to easy to push us of the spot. On offense, we were missing inlet passes because our feet weren't planted and balanced. I would like to see a coach take the bigs and spend an entire practice working on footwork. It has to improve or we will not get any better.
Our guards were doing a good job of moving the ball, but our bigs out on top were telegraphing their passes, and when they were passing it in down low, they were getting the ball in at terrible angles to be able to do anything with it.
We just need to play smarter. We have some very young talent but it seems some are developing some bad habits.
Much to work on here. We can get it done though. Games like this are a learning experience for the entire team. 

Well, I'm all for Valpo keeping the momentum going and defeating IU by shutting down the marvel from Mt Carmel. Unfortunately I won't be in Bloomington by 7:00 p.m. tonight.

I was able to parlay a late meeting down there with the game so I think I'll be able to catch the action. I'll fill you in on how it goes.

Sure. attack her by committee. Granted, she certainly has stamina, but we have some pretty quick guards that can run with her, and switch off when needed. It'll take more than her to get the W. We have to play smart, hit our bunnies, block out, and run our offense. Need to be smarter with the clock also. We rushed to many shots once we built a lead with Butler. With IU, the clock will be our friend I believe. We need to work it down and play offense. My guess is we will be facing a full court press a lot tonight. We need to be ready for it, and spread the floor for outlets. Buss is a great player, but we can't focus too much on that and not enough on what we need to do to beat this TEAM.

Our job will be to contain and deny her, and force the others to beat us. We have the speed to keep up, and we need to keep throwing fresh legs at her.

I know that Butler has some personnel issues, but I really didn't think this game would be a 34 point beat down. This has the makings of a very long season for the Lady Bulldogs.  On the flip-side this is just what the doctor ordered for our women's team!!!

Let's hope the momentum carries over to tomorrow night's game vs IU. I know that Butler had their issues, but for once it seems it's someone else and not us. We actually had 13 dressed and ready. Could be a record!  I was very impressed by the young talent we have. We have more size inside than we had in past years. This team seems to be built for speed. That could be big as the season progresses. Our guards were crashing the boards with some impressive numbers also.
I agree, we needed to get out of the gate this way.