Congratulations to LaVonte Dority on his First Team All-Conference selection: Well Deserved! :thumbsup:
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Congrats also to Alec Peters (@petersalec) and Lexus Williams (@smooveLex) for being named to the #HLMBB All-Freshman Team! #GoValpo
Congratulations to Alec Peters on his selection to the Horizon League All-Freshman Team! :clap:
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Congratulations to Lexus Williams on his selection to the Horizon League All-Freshman Team! :dance:
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fantastic! well deserved on all accounts.
Congratulations to all 3 of these fine young men! I am especially happy for and proud of LaVonte, who is a wonderful testimony to what hard work and total dedication to a goal can accomplish. I recall his former playground director saying that there were more talented players but no one ever out worked LaVonte. IMO that's the best compliment anyone can receive. The world is full of talented people, but those willing to give absolutely everything they have are a select group.
Neat! Can't wait to see what the next few years will bring us!... but I can wait say 5 or 6 more games this year!
Player of the Year: Keifer Sykes
Defensive Player of the Year: Alec Brown
Freshman of the Year: Kahlil Felder
6th Man of the Year: Jon Harris
Coach of the Year: Brian Wardle
First Team:
Keifer Sykes
Kendrick Perry
Alec Brown
Travis Bader
LaVonte Dority
Second Team:
Bryn Forbes
Juwan Howard Jr.
Corey Petros
AJ Pacher
Jordan Aaron
All Defense:
Alec Brown
Jordan Fouse
Duke Mondy
Kendrick Perry
Matt Vest
All Freshman Team:
Kahlil Felder
Alec Peters
Lexus Williams
Jarod Williams
Pat Birt
I was hoping that Waters was going to pull the upset for COY, oh well. With 4 seniors on the 1st team there will be plenty of opportunity for new guys to step up their individual performances next year.
I still don't see Petros as being any good, and am surprised by Jordan Aaron and Wardle. I can at least buy into Bader being 1st team somewhat, but still feel he is a second teamer with Howard or Forbes in his place on 1st team. Waters should have won COTY. If you are picked first and win first with mostly upperclassmen, it isn't the coaching that did it necessarily...
Congrats to Dority!
Not to hurt Grizz's feelings, but the bigger question about Oakland is why the didn't do better as a team. They had a player on 1st team all conference, another on 2nd team, a 3rd was freshman of the year, and yet another was on the all defensive team. They had more individual honors than anyone other than GB. Something just seems a little inconsistent.
Didn't hurt my feeling. Tied for 5th with a home game, when you lose 4 players to season ending injuries isn't that bad. We played many games this year with only 6 or 7 scholarship players and never one with more then 8. The coaches voted on Freshman of the year so you can argue this all you want. If Bader had played for Valpo you all would think he's great. Is what it is. Guess you can blame our coach that with all these awards we didn't finish higher. And the guy who hates Petros, He got 23 and 13 Saturday night. Name another big in this league that has done that. He also had 9 double/doubles. Lead the league. Also lead in rebounding. Those numbers make him deserving of something. Good luck in tourney. And 2014, I'm happy you are proven wrong and the voter saw how great Bader is.
Personally, I don't have an issue with any of the Oakland honors, including Felder as FOY. That wasn't my point.
Sorry, I still wouldn't say that Bader is great if he was in a Valpo uniform. He is good at taking a lot of and making around 40% of 3's, but that doesn't make him great. Do you consider Jimmer Fredette as being great as well? Don't get me wrong, Bader is a good player in general, but I think his first team selection is based on reputation more than overall results. He averaged 18.2 ppg in conference, yes, but that was on 36.6% shooting overall, and 39.2% from 3, while playing 37.5 minutes/game. Other than that, he averaged 2.1 rebounds/game, 1.1 assists/game, and had 11 total steals/3 blocks. I see that as second teamer honors in the HL.
In regards to Petros, my view is solely based on the two games I watched him play against us. Regardless of what any stats might have shown, just watching him play, you don't say 'that guy is all league.' I was begging him to shoot against us, and hoping that he got the ball versus Bader or Mondy. He must have produced some quality games against the rest of the conference to get the honors. He was 4/14 and 5/10 against us, with 9 pts/8 rebounds, and 14 pts/7 rebounds respectively. If you watched the 5/10 game, I think that 3 were layups because Moussa/Vashil blew coverages by going to Bader/Mondy (leaving Petros alone), so outside of that, he was 2/7 on plays he directly influenced to get the shot off. He is bound to have a lot of rebounds for Oakland each game, as Mondy is your next leading rebounder. His stats/presence against us the previous 2 games before this year were also just as unimpressive.
Take these awards with a grain of salt.
Infuriating that the piece of human garbage Brian Wardle gets coach of the year. Not only is he a horrible person, he's a horrible in-game coach as well, as referenced by his incredibly piss poor coaching at the end of the HL Semifinal game last year, and the team's complete lack of focus when Brown went down this year. Development-wise, he what, helped Brown get back his late 2nd round projection after completely falling off the mock drafts last year? Give me a break.
And Jordan Aaron 2nd team? Maybe the rest of the league is just way too down, but I think there were even 2 UWM players more deserving this year.
Quote from: a3uge on March 03, 2014, 03:31:34 PM
Take these awards with a grain of salt.
Infuriating that the piece of human garbage Brian Wardle gets coach of the year. Not only is he a horrible person, he's a horrible in-game coach as well, as referenced by his incredibly piss poor coaching at the end of the HL Semifinal game last year, and the team's complete lack of focus when Brown went down this year. Development-wise, he what, helped Brown get back his late 2nd round projection after completely falling off the mock drafts last year? Give me a break.
And Jordan Aaron 2nd team? Maybe the rest of the league is just way too down, but I think there were even 2 UWM players more deserving this year.
I hear you on Aaron, as I figured that Tiby was much better
Quote from: a3uge on March 03, 2014, 03:31:34 PMAnd Jordan Aaron 2nd team? Maybe the rest of the league is just way too down, but I think there were even 2 UWM players more deserving this year.
I know...what were they thinking? Maybe the HL voters were worried that he would shoot them?
...it would still take him at least three shots to hit one!
Last year at this time I posted that Bryce should have received COY. Several Valpo posters disagreed, vigorously defending the voters' choice of ??? (don't remember who, don't care) on the basis of exceeding expectations being more noteworthy than simply meeting them. This year the same basic group of people - coaches, AD's and sports reporters - reversed course and voted for the coach of the team picked to finish first. Just goes to show that these people operate on a shallow set of standards, if any at all. As the saying goes, "This ain't rocket science, and these people ain't rocket scientists."
A few people have asked me about the photos of Dority, Peters, and Williams that I posted at the top of this thread. My thanks to those who wondered about them. They are part of a series of action portraits I made of all 12 active players this year, and they can be found at the following link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/96208998@N05/sets/72157641842987624/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/96208998@N05/sets/72157641842987624/)
Quote from: valpopal on March 04, 2014, 12:05:11 AM
A few people have asked me about the photos of Dority, Peters, and Williams that I posted at the top of this thread. My thanks to those who wondered about them. They are part of a series of action portraits I made of all 12 active players this year, and they can be found at the following link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/96208998@N05/sets/72157641842987624/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/96208998@N05/sets/72157641842987624/)
LaVonte's picture is spectacular - begging to be a magazine cover.
Jimmer was NCAA player of the year and a lottery pick. YES, I would say that is great. Bader lead the league in 3's made and free thow shooting. He lead the nation in one stat and was top- 5 in another and top 20 in another. If a Valpo player did that you would not say he should be first team all league. Come on.
Why not let Grizz feel good about his guy?
Yes...WH....thank you
He can feel good about his guy, just the same as I can be objective and give my thoughts about any player in the league. We seem to have different definitions of the term, 'great,' which is fine. I wouldn't consider Jimmer Fredette, Adam Morrison, or Bader as being 'great.' They were/are one-dimensional players to me, and I reserve that term for those that are major contributors in many ways. Each needs someone else to do something for them to get a shot, as they can't create their own without screens or other plays set for them. If Bader gets a chance at the NBA, I think that he will struggle for this reason. I wouldn't say that Rowdy was 'great' either, but rather a pretty good overall player. Therefore, I again state that if Bader was on Valpo's team, I still would not call him as such. This has absolutely nothing to do with him being on Oakland's team, but rather on the games I have watched him play in, and his overall statistics (against Valpo and other teams).
If Rowdy shot 36.6% overall last year, but 39.2% from 3, with the other statistics that Bader has, I would have put him on the second team as well. However, he shot 44.8% overall, 41.7% from 3, had 15.7 ppg, 7+ rpg, 2.3 apg, 0.8 bpg, and 1 spg. That is much closer to being 'great' in my mind, than someone who shoots a lot of 3s at a below 40% rate, and even worse from 2 pt range. Those numbers are first team worthy, while Bader's are second team.
It's a fantastic achievement to lead the all-time stats in any category in NCAA history, but if you take enough shots, it makes it that much more likely to occur.
Bader was one-dimensional, but I think the only reason he received an HL nod was because of his 3-pt. stats. Rowdy was an all-around player with true idea of fundamentals because AIS taught the fundamentals that most AAU coaches piss on. Rowdy went for the rebound after his shot missed, he played defense, went after a free ball, would Bader actually do that? Jimmer was in a very weak draft class of NCAA players. I just looked at the draft results from 2011, and he was the 10th pick to Milwaukee, then traded to Sacramento, but there was no real hype for this draft, as the top pick was Kyrie Irving to Cleveland followed by Williams, Kanter, and Thompson, then three international picks and Brandon Knight. Most of that draft was a joke, and Jimmer was only picked because he could shoot from the arc, but that's all he could do. Reminds me a bit of Kyle Korver, will have a long NBA career because he can shoot the 3, but can't do much else. Bader will be the next Jimmer or Korver, nothing more, nothing less. Doubt he gets a real look outside of the D-League or overseas.
And let's forget Jimmer just got hisself WAIVED.
It's a philosophical thing; would you rather be good at a lot of things or great at one?
I myself, being good at several things, have often wished to have been great at one, because then I would have more direction in my life. But maybe that's just me.
"Standing in the corner and just plain gunning" is probably more of a college thing than an NBA thing.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on March 04, 2014, 01:41:44 PM
And let's forget Jimmer just got hisself WAIVED.
Didn't he just sign with the Bulls?
Quote from: wh on March 04, 2014, 01:57:42 PMDidn't he just sign with the Bulls?
True.
But when was the last time you heard of a first round pick being waived before his initial contract ran out?
What's wrong with Jimmer? He's not a productive NBA player because he can't create his own shot (too small for a SG, can't drive score in transition for a PG), but he was incredibly fun to watch in college. He averaged over 28 ppg, had nearly as many assists in 2010 alone as Bader had in his entire 4 year career, and would shoot from anywhere on the court.
Baders good too, but comparing him to Jimmer in a bad way is a bit strange. Jimmer was great. Bader was top 6 in the Horizon this year. Nothing more, nothing less. He's a bit too one dimensional for HL POY considerations, but is an effective outside shooter to be considered borderline 1st-2nd team in the Horizon.
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Well, I agree, but there aren't a whole lot of comparisons. Best-case scenario is Redick, but even he is too-well-rounded for that.
Anyway, yeah, if Jimmer can't set the league on fire, then how is Bader going to do that? He'll be a Jeremy Lin without The Big Break.
Quote from: wh on March 04, 2014, 10:43:25 AMWhy not let Grizz feel good about his guy?
YES LET US
ESPECIALLY SINCE HE HIT THE 500 MARK
I agree with LAA on this one ... Bader isn't any better than Jimmer or Redick.
And even though he had 39 tonight, without the 18 free throws, he barely gets 20.
Bader was real good shooting it again tonight. I was hoping he'd miss since I don't care much for him, but maybe WSU will get him. What a dumb play by YSU at the end of regulation, from not making the free throw to the boneheaded foul. Too bad, I was hoping our leagues best player Kendrick Perry was going to get another game in.
HC, not sure why the Bader hate. I've had a few interactions with him and he's been great every time.
Something's I can't explain, they just rub me the wrong way. Like my dislike for WSU and pepper on my fries.
Quote from: EddieCabot on March 04, 2014, 09:03:14 PM
I agree with LAA on this one ... Bader isn't any better than Jimmer or Redick.
And even though he had 39 tonight, without the 18 free throws, he barely gets 20.
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Suttle, no doubt! :rotfl:
Perry is easier to root for, surely.
I would have rather seen him get to 2K pts than Bader to 500 3s.
Oh well.
I don't know that 7 for 18 is such a great night, though. I mean, sure when you win. His night from the line was far more impressive than from outside the arc. He choked on the 3 ball with 15 seconds left and was almost the goat.
He made that completely off-balance 3 with around 11 seconds left, though, to cut YSU's lead from 4 to 1 in regulation. I stopped watching after YSU made both FTs to get back to 3, OU made 1 of 2, then fouled YSU with 0.6 seconds left with YSU up 2. I wish I could have seen what happened from there.
Again, I've never said I don't like Bader as a person, or that he is a bad player. He is a good 3 pt shooter and FT shooter. However, he takes a lot of shots to get there.
Quote from: EddieCabot on March 04, 2014, 09:03:14 PM
I agree with LAA on this one ... Bader isn't any better than Jimmer or Redick.
And even though he had 39 tonight, without the 18 free throws, he barely gets 20.
Is anyone even arguing Bader is better than Jimmer or Redick? Both won player of the year awards and were two of the greatest 4 year players in NCAA history. Neither really set the NBA on fire, but that's kind of a ridiculous standard to set. It's like diminishing Bryce because he had a PER of like 2 in the NBA. Bader won't play a single minute in the NBA, but that doesn't mean he was a 1st-2nd team caliber mid major player.
If the league tournament is going to be the deciding factor in making the NCAA tournament (big dance) then how about not doing player and coach awards until after the league tournament ... Wardle or Jeter ...
I bet many times it would not change much for decisions but it might give an edge to one choice. And hell the league tournament is more important to your post season games so why don't they treat it that way for awards.
Quote from: Smj on March 09, 2014, 12:08:48 AM
If the league tournament is going to be the deciding factor in making the NCAA tournament (big dance) then how about not doing player and coach awards until after the league tournament ... Wardle or Jeter ...
I bet many times it would not change much for decisions but it might give an edge to one choice. And hell the league tournament is more important to your post season games so why don't they treat it that way for awards.
Wardle getting completely out-coached tonight had me thinking that, but I guess I didn't think he shouldve won the award anyways. I think it could lead to gut reactions (giving it to Billy D when they were expected to be the 1/2 with GB and instead got the 3 seed and lost to North Carolina A&T), or always giving it to the winning coach.
I was kind of surprised he didn't go back to that zone in the 2nd half (or did he and I missed it). Looked like that slowed UWM down toward the end of the first half.
I'm not saying GB should get an at-large, but I will say tonight shouldn't be the reason they won't. I thought they played fairly well tonight, they just ran into the Florida Marlins at the wrong time. Jordan Aaron is a load and a half when he's hot and somewhat disciplined.
Quote from: StlVUFan on March 09, 2014, 12:28:20 AM
I was kind of surprised he didn't go back to that zone in the 2nd half (or did he and I missed it). Looked like that slowed UWM down toward the end of the first half.
I was surprised Sykes played at all in the 1st half after he rolled his ankle. He seemed to be completely ineffective until the second half. They never really got brown involved in the low post, which I thought was equally odd given the size mismatch he creates.
Whether it makes a difference or not, Jim Barbar did reference that Alec Brown was having some issues with the injured shoulder that he suffered in the game before Valpo at the ARC. They could have had a lot to do with his ineffectiveness. In terms of Sykes, as the students who painted themselves up showed, Sykes "Got(Get) Syked". The ankle affected a lot of what he was able to do during the game, but since Wardle didn't have a competent backup to shoulder the load while Sykes could get that ankle really looked, I guess as I think wh said in the tourney Milwaukee thread, "karma"...
Quote from: StlVUFan on March 09, 2014, 12:28:20 AMI was kind of surprised he didn't go back to that zone in the 2nd half (or did he and I missed it). Looked like that slowed UWM down toward the end of the first half.
I'm not saying GB should get an at-large, but I will say tonight shouldn't be the reason they won't. I thought they played fairly well tonight, they just ran into the Florida Marlins at the wrong time. Jordan Aaron is a load and a half when he's hot and somewhat disciplined.
BTW, was your 2 mile walk at 11:00 p.m. a brisk one? Was it better when Green Bay didn't live up to their #1 seed?
FYI, the Marlins are now the Miami Marlins.
I think the biggest problem for Green Bay is that Alec Brown was playing with an injury that got dinged again at the beginning of the game and except for a late 3-pointer and a nice drive (where he took a lot of contact) for a field goal, Brown disappeared from this game. Brown never seemed to show up during the biggest games in his college career.
Quote from: bbtds on March 09, 2014, 01:21:51 PMFYI, the Marlins are now the Miami Marlins.
They were the Florida Marlins during the era I was referring to. I could have also used the 2004-2005 Houston Astros as an example of a weak team that gets hot at just the right time and takes advantage of that abomination widely known as "The Wild Card" (though I don't feel that way about conference tournaments).
Quote from: StlVUFan on March 09, 2014, 12:28:20 AMJordan Aaron is a load and a half when he's hot and somewhat disciplined.
and the rest of the time he's shooting 22%
Quote from: bbtds on March 09, 2014, 01:21:51 PMBrown disappeared from this game
Imagine if we wanted more out of our 7-footers, how GB fans must feel about theirs.
*cough*SOFT*cough*
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on March 09, 2014, 01:46:52 PMand the rest of the time he's shooting 22%
Of course. Problem is, "rest of the time" doesn't exist yet this March.
Eh. 64 points on 53 shots (not even counting shot equivalents, which would be 64 shots--64 points) in the tournament.
That's a terrible ratio, even if you're Kobe.
This guy was 2nd-team all HL. What was he top 10 in the league in, though?
--Points (10th)
--Percentage of points off 3pTers (6th)
--8th in % of team's shots
--8th in FGA
--3rd in 3PTA but only 4th in 3PTers...(Bryn Forbes, same amount of ATT...15 more makes)
--8th in FT% (JORDAN COLEMAN WAS 10th!?!?)
--This has nothing to do with Jordan Aaron, but we had 4 in the top 7 in turnover rate? ... seems low.
--10th in steals per game (but not rate)
Admittedly I could come back and look at just conference, but he is who he is. He's a chucker, and so is high in categories that maybe it's not so great to be high in. I just...I dunno, man. Don't see it.
In my defense: 39th in the HL in Offensive Rating. Aaaand it's not like he's known for lockdown D. Sooo....
That's good enough for 8th team honors. I'd be willing to bump him up a team though.
I have no opinion on where he should have been ranked in conference.
Between Valpo and Green Bay this weekend, NOBODY has been able to stop him. He has been able to do what he wanted. If he's cold, then yeah, he's Mike Helms. But he has been anything but. He took over the game whenever they needed to. I think I saw Jeter last night in the 2nd half several times point to him as if to say, "GIVE HIM THE BALL AND LET HIM OPERATE NOW!" Green Bay threw everything but the kitchen sink at him, to no avail.
If you shoot 6/18...I would say that you were stopped pretty well, if not for his FTs against us
Quote from: StlVUFan on March 09, 2014, 02:47:37 PMI have no opinion on where he should have been ranked in conference. Between Valpo and Green Bay this weekend, NOBODY has been able to stop him. He has been able to do what he wanted. If he's cold, then yeah, he's Mike Helms. But he has been anything but. He took over the game whenever they needed to. I think I saw Jeter last night in the 2nd half several times point to him as if to say, "GIVE HIM THE BALL AND LET HIM OPERATE NOW!" Green Bay threw everything but the kitchen sink at him, to no avail.
I don't think LaPorte will ever admit that Jordan Aaron despite his poor shooting in "some" games has been a good player for the Panthers and had an integral part in Milwaukee's run to the HL championship game. If only Valpo had had a player step up when it counted like Jordan Aaron has then it would be Valpo playing at the Nutter Center on Tuesday.
Quote from: StlVUFan on March 09, 2014, 02:47:37 PMIf he's cold, then yeah, he's Mike Helms.
Thanks for that. Almost drew a literal LOL.
I would simply be willing to bet that a very high percentage of the HL could score 20 points if you gave them 20 shot equivalents. He has been better in the tournament--he certainly does have something to prove--but he's not efficient. There are, what, 117 scholarship players in the HL (13*9) and he's in the top ten? Even against GB, that was 28 points on 19 shots, or 22 shot equivalents. First time in a month (also against GB though) that he was significantly better than 1 PPS.
Thinking of LBJ veiling criticism of Durant for taking 34 shots to score 40 points or whatever, earlier this year. Not a big LeBron fan, but he certainly doesn't need more than his fair share to score.
It's not a fair comparison to an HLPOY, to be sure, but Rowdy (and KVW) were much closer to 2 PPS than 1. If you give enough monkeys enough typewriters...
Fun Fact: Jordan Aaron in the HL tourney so far...
20-53 (.377) FG, 7-23 (.304) 3Pt, 2.7 RBpg, 3.7 APG, 2.3 TOPG, 21.3 PPG
Dixon...
12-18 (.667) FG, 4-6 (.667) 3Pt, 5 RBpg, 3.5 APG, 2.0 TOPG, 18.5 PPG
I think everyone is over exaggerating because of the late game heroics against GB... He has good games and bad games. He is what he is. Someone like Miles Dixon has had a better tourney, but is overlooked because he's not shooting 300 times a game. If you watched the GB and Valpo games, Aaron wasted a some possessions from shooting low percentage shots from well behind the arc, which was baffling since he had a lot of success driving inside. He'll make those every once in awhile, but like Cory Johnson shooting a 3, it encourages him to do it more. Again, he's the Marshall Henderson of the Horizon, with a slightly better attitude. He's not a bad player, but I don't believe he's top 5 in conference after watching 1 game.
Quote from: a3uge on March 10, 2014, 04:52:47 PMI think everyone is over exaggerating because of the late game heroics against GB... He has good games and bad games. He is what he is. Someone like Miles Dixon has had a better tourney, but is overlooked because he's not shooting 300 times a game. If you watched the GB and Valpo games, Aaron wasted a some possessions from shooting low percentage shots from well behind the arc, which was baffling since he had a lot of success driving inside. He'll make those every once in awhile, but like Cory Johnson shooting a 3, it encourages him to do it more. Again, he's the Marshall Henderson of the Horizon, with a slightly better attitude. He's not a bad player, but I don't believe he's top 5 in conference after watching 1 game.
I never ranked him. Nor did I assess his season as a whole. I didn't even assert that every long shot he took went in.
Let me put it this way: the only one capable of stopping Jordan Aaron was Jordan Aaron. GB had absolutely nothing. Neither did Valpo. And he was always capable of scoring no matter what either of those teams did. He was the weapon no one had an answer for.
Quote from: StlVUFan on March 10, 2014, 05:09:17 PM
Quote from: a3uge on March 10, 2014, 04:52:47 PMI think everyone is over exaggerating because of the late game heroics against GB... He has good games and bad games. He is what he is. Someone like Miles Dixon has had a better tourney, but is overlooked because he's not shooting 300 times a game. If you watched the GB and Valpo games, Aaron wasted a some possessions from shooting low percentage shots from well behind the arc, which was baffling since he had a lot of success driving inside. He'll make those every once in awhile, but like Cory Johnson shooting a 3, it encourages him to do it more. Again, he's the Marshall Henderson of the Horizon, with a slightly better attitude. He's not a bad player, but I don't believe he's top 5 in conference after watching 1 game.
I never ranked him. Nor did I assess his season as a whole. I didn't even assert that every long shot he took went in.
Let me put it this way: the only one capable of stopping Jordan Aaron was Jordan Aaron. GB had absolutely nothing. Neither did Valpo. And he was always capable of scoring no matter what either of those teams did. He was the weapon no one had an answer for.
That wasn't directed at you, moreso a straw man. I don't think he was the difference in the Valpo game, as rebounding and bad offense absolutely killed the Crusaders. I found it amazing that Valpo was even in the game after playing so poor offensively. I thought Tiby had the more dominant game and Aaron took some poor shots in the 2nd half (he ended 6-18). Green Bay was a much different story as they were unable to stop him at all at the end.
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Quote from: a3uge on March 10, 2014, 05:16:50 PMI don't think he was the difference in the Valpo game, as rebounding and bad offense absolutely killed the Crusaders.
Point taken there.
Gotta agree. Being there, Tiby was my focus throughout the game. He cut his freakin' hair before the game and was all over the court (shouldn't it have been just the opposite?)
Tiby was asserting himself in many ways both within and outside the rules. He's only a soph, but he's gonna be a player to contend with in the next two years. And he seems to have a mean streak -- which some of our players need to, in a Christian way of course, develop (IMO).
If the NBA joins the American League to allow a designated free throw shooter, then Bader is set for life.
Bobby was our version of Tiby, just that he wasn't as good and couldn't keep the intensity up for a 40 minute game.