Word I hear is that there will be a press conference tomorrow concerning Men's Basketball, which will be attended by President Heckler. No details yet. Anyone know more?
I have no idea but if the President is there then it is more important than signing a recruit.
Indianapolis Star reporting Bryce is in as Head Coach.
WOW
Quote from: valpopal on May 16, 2011, 02:52:58 PM
Indianapolis Star reporting Bryce is in as Head Coach.
Can you copy and paste that report??
Here is the Times article:
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/article_c9cad889-aa39-5260-92ec-59baa8a9f486.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/article_c9cad889-aa39-5260-92ec-59baa8a9f486.html)
Valparaiso's Homer Drew retiring, Bryce Drew taking over
By Mark Lazerus on May 16, 2011 2:46 PM | No Comments | No TrackBacks
Confirmed by a reliable source: Homer Drew will announce his retirement tomorrow at 11 a.m., with Bryce Drew taking over as head coach.
It wont let me post links?
Quote from: Mjj on May 16, 2011, 03:10:58 PM
Valparaiso's Homer Drew retiring, Bryce Drew taking over
By Mark Lazerus on May 16, 2011 2:46 PM | No Comments | No TrackBacks
Confirmed by a reliable source: Homer Drew will announce his retirement tomorrow at 11 a.m., with Bryce Drew taking over as head coach.
It wont let me post links?
You haven't posted enough to pass the spam filter.
here's the link:
http://blogs.post-trib.com/lazerus/ (http://blogs.post-trib.com/lazerus/)
Obviously I haven't been spending enough time at VU....this comes as a total surprise to me....Even my normal "buds" didn't tell me....
Recently, I heard some rumors that Homer might leave in a couple of years. Hearing this report that he could be leaving tomorrow shocks me. I was not ready to hear that today. Certainly makes my Monday a little more interesting...
Does a change of coaches allow a student to leave without having to sit out a year?
http://sectionee.blogspot.com/2011/05/homers-legacy.html (http://sectionee.blogspot.com/2011/05/homers-legacy.html)
I would just like to congratulate Homer on a terrific 22-year tenure at Valpo and wish him well in his retirement.
After a rocky first five years, he sure set a lofty standard for success in Midwestern non-BCS college basketball.
He always put a product on the court that competed exceedingly hard.
Congrats to Homer and Bryce! :thumbsup:
With the incoming and returning talent, it must have been a good time for Homer to leave the sidelines. I wish him well in retirement.
Congrats to both as well. Interesting that it is on the front page of espn. Caught me off guard when I went to check the Mavs/Thunder preview, to see a story on Bryce taking over!
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6556894 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6556894)
Well, we knew this day was coming, didn't we? I couldn't find it in any of the prior links, but it'll be interesting to see how many guaranteed years Bryce gets on his contract. I'm guessing 5-7 years.
Is this press conference going to be streamed?
A special Guy thanks for the years! he started with Players and made graduates.
Quote from: crusaderjoe on May 16, 2011, 05:18:00 PM
Well, we knew this day was coming, didn't we? I couldn't find it in any of the prior links, but it'll be interesting to see how many guaranteed years Bryce gets on his contract. I'm guessing 5-7 years.
Is this press conference going to be streamed?
Yes, see the following note:
The Valparaiso University Department of Athletics will hold a news conference at 11 a.m. CDT, Tuesday, May 17, 2011, in the Harre Union Ballroom to make a major announcement concerning the men's basketball program. You are invited to join University President Mark A. Heckler and me for further details.
If you are unable to attend, the news conference will also be streamed live through the Horizon League Network at www.horizonleague.org/live/3883 (http://www.horizonleague.org/live/3883)
I encourage you to come out and show your support.
Mark Labarbera
Crusaders Director of Athletics
He's been called the nicest guy in Division I basketball, and I have nothing to refute that with. He's always been straight with me during the 17 years I have worked with him in various capacities (Games, TV Coaches Shows, Radio, Interviews etc.). I not only admire him for his coaching abilities, but I admire him as a man....and count him among my friends. The 10 years I traveled all over the country with the team will never be forgotten.....Thanks Coach........
Good luck to Homer in his second retirement, He has been a credit to the University and will be ending a successful career. You will be missed Homer!!!!!
Also good luck to Bryce. You have some large shoes to fill, hopefully you will continue the legacy that your Dad leaves.
Good Luck Homer.
Didn't I call this a few weeks ago? ;)
A bit in shock on this one as I thought he would try for one more Tourney appearance this year with this class. However, the way recruiting is people probably are using it against us and this is forcing the transition.
Homer's legacy at VU and in college basketball will be hard to match by any coach. But more important was that he was the same terrific, caring person from the first time I talked to him his first year until today. God bless his 2d retirement.
And congrats to Bryce. He has done all the work necessary to be a head coach and this is a great succession plan by the University and AD Mark L.
Quote from: crusaderjoe on May 16, 2011, 05:18:00 PM
Well, we knew this day was coming, didn't we? I couldn't find it in any of the prior links, but it'll be interesting to see how many guaranteed years Bryce gets on his contract. I'm guessing 5-7 years.
Is this press conference going to be streamed?
yes, horizon league site
I hope Coach Drew continues to work for VU in a fund raising capacity. I think he would be great at it. Paul
Coach Drew, thanks for the memories and also for your kindness. Thanks for the way you show sportsmanship and class by the way you handle yourself and the way your teams always play hard and represent VU in the best way.
I will miss you and all you have done to make the Horizon League better. I will also miss speaking with you after games both win or lose. I have attended every VU/Detroit basketball game since the Crusaders joined the league and I have always enjoyed my visits to the ARC but more importantly my visits with you. Have a great time in retirement and I, along with the Detroit Titan family wish you and your family all the best. You will be missed, even by the opposition.
TitanReggie
Detroit Titans fan
Quote from: humbleopinion on May 16, 2011, 04:04:58 PM
Does a change of coaches allow a student to leave without having to sit out a year?
i don't believe so, but i could be wrong
Quote from: vuweathernerd on May 16, 2011, 09:29:18 PM
Quote from: humbleopinion on May 16, 2011, 04:04:58 PM
Does a change of coaches allow a student to leave without having to sit out a year?
i don't believe so, but i could be wrong
No...the player commits to the school not the coach....unless the school agrees to release him
thanks homer for all the memories over the last several years, since i started paying attention to valpo basketball and then during my tenure as a student. he was nothing if not gracious to everybody, including the students who came out to the games. good luck bryce!
Quote from: valpopal on May 16, 2011, 06:22:17 PM
Quote from: crusaderjoe on May 16, 2011, 05:18:00 PM
Well, we knew this day was coming, didn't we? I couldn't find it in any of the prior links, but it'll be interesting to see how many guaranteed years Bryce gets on his contract. I'm guessing 5-7 years.
Is this press conference going to be streamed?
Yes, see the following note:
The Valparaiso University Department of Athletics will hold a news conference at 11 a.m. CDT, Tuesday, May 17, 2011, in the Harre Union Ballroom to make a major announcement concerning the men's basketball program. You are invited to join University President Mark A. Heckler and me for further details.
If you are unable to attend, the news conference will also be streamed live through the Horizon League Network at www.horizonleague.org/live/3883 (http://www.horizonleague.org/live/3883)
I encourage you to come out and show your support.
Mark Labarbera
Crusaders Director of Athletics
We will be streaming it on the front page of this site as well (http://www.valpofanzone.com (http://www.valpofanzone.com))
I have another commitment, unfortunately. I hope HLN archives it!
I knew that this would eventually happen, but it was a shock when I saw it this morning. I have enjoyed watching Homer coach, and look forward to seeing how Bryce does on his own. This should be an interesting year.
Ugh, the sound is awful!
THe audio cut out!
Ah, its back and is much clearer.
Homer didn't step down on the condition that Bryce be hired. Heckler said that Homer obviously gave his opinion, but then stepped back.
No search, no other candidates.
Too late in the off-season for any kind of outside coaching search.
LaBarbera cites Butler, Wright State and Green Bay as examples of schools that have internal plans for succession. Incorrect on the last one; Brian Wardle should have been hired immediately, but they took what...3 weeks up in GB?
Valpo, like Wright State last year, made the right hire the right way. Green Bay made the right hire the wrong way. You have a guy you know is the guy, you get him done.
It's good to see this is more of a happy transition than bittersweet.
I lost my signal. Did Bryce say anything about adding an additional member to the team, or recruiting in general. You know, something like "we still are pursueing players for next year's roster"
Quote from: vu72 on May 17, 2011, 11:55:55 AM
I lost my signal. Did Bryce say anything about adding an additional member to the team, or recruiting in general. You know, something like "we still are pursueing players for next year's roster"
Not specifically, but he did say he would be getting back to work recruiting right away and that he would be on the phone for most of the day today. Maybe a hint at something imminent . . .
Quote from: blackpantheruwm on May 17, 2011, 11:42:20 AM
Green Bay made the right hire the wrong way.
I would say that Green Bay made a cheap hire the dog-and-pony way.
I wrote up a little something on the front page of this site about the press conference.
http://www.valpofanzone.com/ (http://www.valpofanzone.com/)
Quote from: sectionee on May 17, 2011, 01:40:00 PM
I wrote up a little something on the front page of this site about the press conference.
Great summary and I agree the right move. This team should know what to expect and any tweaks or wrinkles Bryce wants to implement shouldn't take as long as for a new face to the program. Next question - Who will be the next assistant hired?
The move to valpofanzone has been nice for this topic - we don't have to read jj's rant about nepotism.
That reminds me. Did this latest move confuse JJ? I don't recall seeing any posts from him in the recent past.
I'm a little late chiming in, but I want to offer my heartfelt congratulations to Homer on an outstanding coaching career and representing Valparaiso Unitvershity with class and distinction over all the years. How appropriate it is to have the Homer Drew Court as a part of his legacy and a lasting memory of his many contributions to VU.
Quote from: Valpo89 on May 17, 2011, 02:32:19 PM
That reminds me. Did this latest move confuse JJ? I don't recall seeing any posts from him in the recent past.
I don't think he has registered here, that is why I posted about him. I know he has done well for the university, but some of his rants didn't make much sense.
Quote from: Valpo89 on May 17, 2011, 02:32:19 PM
That reminds me. Did this latest move confuse JJ? I don't recall seeing any posts from him in the recent past.
I have also noticed that jj has been MIA recently. I hope he's doing ok. That's the strange thing about the anonymity of a message board. If someone just abruptly stops posting, there's no way of telling if it's something serious like a health issue - or worse.
Quote from: sectionee on May 17, 2011, 01:40:00 PM
I wrote up a little something on the front page of this site about the press conference.
http://www.valpofanzone.com/ (http://www.valpofanzone.com/)
Great piece. :thumbsup:
I also encourage anyone who wants to blog about any and all athletic topics to sign up! Just hit the "Log In" button on the top right and register!
Quote from: wh on May 17, 2011, 02:52:47 PM
Quote from: Valpo89 on May 17, 2011, 02:32:19 PM
That reminds me. Did this latest move confuse JJ? I don't recall seeing any posts from him in the recent past.
I have also noticed that jj has been MIA recently. I hope he's doing ok. That's the strange thing about the anonymity of a message board. If someone just abruptly stops posting, there's no way of telling if it's something serious like a health issue - or worse.
He has been logging on to the old board. I sent him several messages and emails to remind him of the switch.
Quote from: valpo04 on May 17, 2011, 02:55:52 PM
Quote from: wh on May 17, 2011, 02:52:47 PM
Quote from: Valpo89 on May 17, 2011, 02:32:19 PM
That reminds me. Did this latest move confuse JJ? I don't recall seeing any posts from him in the recent past.
I have also noticed that jj has been MIA recently. I hope he's doing ok. That's the strange thing about the anonymity of a message board. If someone just abruptly stops posting, there's no way of telling if it's something serious like a health issue - or worse.
He has been logging on to the old board. I sent him several messages and emails to remind him of the switch.
jj's waiting for a box to pop up that tells him there is an update to the Valpo FF.
He's logging in for sure.
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I hope that jj makes it over to the new board soon. Can you tell if he is lurking here by IP address?
Was just watching PTI: In the "Big Finish" the question was: "Bryce Drew taking over for his father Homer as head coach at Valpo. Toni, is this a good move?" Toni: "No, it's a perfect move, that's the family business: it's a 'Drewnisty' if you will."
Quote from: govalpogo on May 17, 2011, 05:36:59 PM
Was just watching PTI: In the "Big Finish" the question was: "Bryce Drew taking over for his father Homer as head coach at Valpo. Toni, is this a good move?" Toni: "No, it's a perfect move, that's the family business: it's a 'Drewnisty' if you will."
Just saw this myself on eastcoast ESPN2. We need to get this video/sound clip for the media release.
Ok, so, I will ask the question that nobody else seems to want to ask. Was anyone else interviewed for this job, or just the guy with zero head coaching experience anywhere? I don't want to get specific here, but there is another guy on campus with D1 head coaching experience (and success) that didn't even get a sniff for this job. If I'm him, I'm silently fuming right now.
I won't say more, I don't want to get myself into trouble.
Quote from: dcvalpo on May 17, 2011, 08:42:54 PM
Ok, so, I will ask the question that nobody else seems to want to ask. Was anyone else interviewed for this job, or just the guy with zero head coaching experience anywhere? I don't want to get specific here, but there is another guy on campus with D1 head coaching experience (and success) that didn't even get a sniff for this job. If I'm him, I'm silently fuming right now.
I won't say more, I don't want to get myself into trouble.
interesting thoughts. makes you wonder if bryce really is the one. i think he is, and hope he is. but you have to ask questions also.
I want to be clear and say that I think Bryce will do a fine job. Just curious how it all came about (and what never came about as well)
i don't believe that it's the wrong move, but the timing is certainly surprising. when i got the text yesterday afternoon that this was on espn.com, i was shocked. the turnaround from 08-09 through 09-10 and into this year has been the result of hard work on everybody's part. yeah, we're losing a lot, but it still makes me wonder.
Quote from: vuweathernerd on May 17, 2011, 09:12:51 PM
i don't believe that it's the wrong move, but the timing is certainly surprising. when i got the text yesterday afternoon that this was on espn.com, i was shocked. the turnaround from 08-09 through 09-10 and into this year has been the result of hard work on everybody's part. yeah, we're losing a lot, but it still makes me wonder.
i have to agree with you and say that the timing took me surprise. i did not anticipate homer retiring just yet.
Please do not try to read too much into this. In the corporate world, the transition to a new coach/ceo should be a process and one that goes on quietly but is fully understood by the parties involved. In this case, there was a clear transition or succession plan that took place. You hear it in Mark L's comments during the presser as well as how smoothly and effectively this transpired. Unlike the business world, where the investors may or may not be interested in this, the future recruits of a program (and the competition) are very interested in who the coach/ceo will be, and can be recruiting against you because of the "uncertainty." In this case, you can assume that this has been planned out and executed. It is important in this process that the AD, current HC and President of the University are all on the same page. Fortunately, this change was made with all parties on board and ready to go (based on what we saw today). There does not need to be a search when you already have made the plan and decision. For an example of a school that also has a succession plan, see Butler or Purdue. Every AD should have a list of 1-3 choices if something should happen. This clearly wasn't the Gary Williams retirement, which did not seemed planned, especially with their coaching hire.
And, I'm not sure which D1 coach at the university should have had a sniff, but I can't think of one except maybe Carin Avery, but BBall isn't her specialty.
As to assistants, that is a good question. My preference would be a big man coach. Luke is good, but someone like Ivan Vujic to be brought in to teach some toughness and interior play. Also relates to the kids we have from Croatia and Eastern Europe.
Quote from: valpo84 on May 17, 2011, 09:41:34 PM
And, I'm not sure which D1 coach at the university should have had a sniff, but I can't think of one except maybe Carin Avery, but BBall isn't her specialty.
You can't be serious.
Which part
Quote from: dcvalpo on May 17, 2011, 09:42:48 PM
Quote from: valpo84 on May 17, 2011, 09:41:34 PM
And, I'm not sure which D1 coach at the university should have had a sniff, but I can't think of one except maybe Carin Avery, but BBall isn't her specialty.
You can't be serious.
Which part?
I think there is another highly successful division 1 coach on campus who maybe could have gotten at least a courtesy interview...
Quote from: dcvalpo on May 17, 2011, 08:54:55 PM
I want to be clear and say that I think Bryce will do a fine job. Just curious how it all came about (and what never came about as well)
This was discussed at the press conference and no, there wasn't a national search.
DCvalpo--I did see Scott at the presser but not sure he's ready to come back ;)
Quote from: valpo84 on May 17, 2011, 10:03:02 PM
DCvalpo--I did see Scott at the presser but not sure he's ready to come back ;)
ha. pretty sure baylor is happy with him...
Quote from: dcvalpo on May 17, 2011, 09:50:12 PM
I think there is another highly successful division 1 coach on campus who maybe could have gotten at least a courtesy interview...
What are you being so secretive about? Unless this person is running around campus incognito, just come out with a name. You said "highly successful," so you can't possibly mean Freeman. Who is it?
Quote from: wh on May 17, 2011, 10:15:31 PM
Quote from: dcvalpo on May 17, 2011, 09:50:12 PM
I think there is another highly successful division 1 coach on campus who maybe could have gotten at least a courtesy interview...
What are you being so secretive about? Unless this person is running around campus incognito, just come out with a name. You said "highly successful," so you can't possibly mean Freeman. Who is it?
Well, you've forced me to this...and I'm afraid the trolls and flamers will be out in full force. But, yes, Freeman deserved an interview.
Quote from: dcvalpo on May 17, 2011, 09:42:48 PM
Quote from: valpo84 on May 17, 2011, 09:41:34 PM
And, I'm not sure which D1 coach at the university should have had a sniff, but I can't think of one except maybe Carin Avery, but BBall isn't her specialty.
You can't be serious.
and don't call me shirley.
(I'm not serious, of course)
Quote from: valpo84 on May 17, 2011, 09:41:34 PM
Please do not try to read too much into this. In the corporate world, the transition to a new coach/ceo should be a process and one that goes on quietly but is fully understood by the parties involved. In this case, there was a clear transition or succession plan that took place. You hear it in Mark L's comments during the presser as well as how smoothly and effectively this transpired. Unlike the business world, where the investors may or may not be interested in this, the future recruits of a program (and the competition) are very interested in who the coach/ceo will be, and can be recruiting against you because of the "uncertainty." In this case, you can assume that this has been planned out and executed. It is important in this process that the AD, current HC and President of the University are all on the same page. Fortunately, this change was made with all parties on board and ready to go (based on what we saw today). There does not need to be a search when you already have made the plan and decision. For an example of a school that also has a succession plan, see Butler or Purdue. Every AD should have a list of 1-3 choices if something should happen. This clearly wasn't the Gary Williams retirement, which did not seemed planned, especially with their coaching hire.
You don't have to assume... at the presser they made it very clear that they had discussed this for the past couple of years and had decided then that Bryce was who they wanted and this succession plan has been in place "knowing this day would come."
They said he is a winner, has played at the highest level, he is a teacher and he absolutely loves Valpo. That is everything they would look for in a candidate.
I have updated the video on the blog post to show the archived presser:
http://www.valpofanzone.com/2011/05/17/mens-basketball-press-conference/ (http://www.valpofanzone.com/2011/05/17/mens-basketball-press-conference/)
I've only had a chance to watch a bit of the archive - likely I'll finish it tonight or tomorrow.
I was a little surprised to hear about "pursuing broadcasting opportunities with ESPN and CBS". Were there any details?
It would be a lot of fun to listen to Homer give color commentary!
Ah, another interesting tidbit! (I'm quoting from one of the Times articels)
"helping the university raise money for the athletics department in general, as well as a new basketball area, [sic]"
The typo seems to be theirs. But, interesting to hear of a new arena. Were there any details?
When the hospital moves, next year I believe, I think Valpo will probably buy up that property. Seems like that would be the most logical spot to build a new arena if they were going to do that.
Quote from: valpo84 on May 17, 2011, 09:41:34 PM
My preference would be a big man coach. Luke is good, but someone like Ivan Vujic to be brought in to teach some toughness and interior play. Also relates to the kids we have from Croatia and Eastern Europe.
You dont' need to be a big guy to be a big man coach. Also, there's only 1 Croatian/Eastern Europe player on the team. You want a coach hired to relate specifically to him?
Quote
You want a coach hired to relate specifically to him?
Which, of course, brings to mind the lack of racial balance on the coaching staff that we've discussed here before.
I wasn't going to touch that.
Quote from: hoopfan22 on May 18, 2011, 09:32:51 AM
I wasn't going to touch that.
I'm with ya on that one...things are getting a little hot in here :-X
Freeman, really?
I've been busy so I haven't been able to post anything, but all I can say is that I'm excited for next season. I'm sad to see Homer leave, but I'm glad that he's going to remain at Valpo in some capacity. I look at Bryce and think of Shaka Smart, Brad Stevens, etc. Hopefully we can get some of the same results.
Quote from: mj on May 18, 2011, 11:04:15 AM
I've been busy so I haven't been able to post anything, but all I can say is that I'm excited for next season. I'm sad to see Homer leave, but I'm glad that he's going to remain at Valpo in some capacity. I look at Bryce and think of Shaka Smart, Brad Stevens, etc. Hopefully we can get some of the same results.
Couldn't agree more. Someone once described Bryce as having "the face of a choir boy and the heart of an assassin" I would always take the points when Valpo played in the tourney with Bryce on the team. He just wouldn't let Valpo get too far behind. We all remember the 98 run but in 97, against Boston College, Bryce almost got us our first tourney win. He made something like 7 or 8 3's. Suffice it to say he doesn't like to lose.
Quote from: valpogal on May 18, 2011, 10:10:22 AM
Freeman, really?
Yet again, a "one-post wonder" comes in here to flame and troll...maybe you should build a little street cred around by posting more than ONE TIME and your opinions would be taken a little more seriously.
Valpo04, I think it is time to send this one to the woodshed.
Quote from: valpo84 on May 17, 2011, 10:03:02 PM
DCvalpo--I did see Scott at the presser but not sure he's ready to come back ;)
Boy, wish I could be a fly on the wall at THAT family dinner!! :lol:
Quote from: dcvalpo on May 18, 2011, 01:02:52 PM
Quote from: valpogal on May 18, 2011, 10:10:22 AM
Freeman, really?
Yet again, a "one-post wonder" comes in here to flame and troll...maybe you should build a little street cred around by posting more than ONE TIME and your opinions would be taken a little more seriously.
Valpo04, I think it is time to send this one to the woodshed.
Easy now...
Remember that there are a lot of people who were posters on the old board as well, and some of them are just now migrating over here.
Quote from: agibson on May 18, 2011, 07:07:55 AM
Ah, another interesting tidbit! (I'm quoting from one of the Times articels)
"helping the university raise money for the athletics department in general, as well as a new basketball area, [sic]"
The typo seems to be theirs. But, interesting to hear of a new arena. Were there any details?
I haven't heard anything about a "new arena" per se, but I know at the least that there's talk in the campus master plan for possible renovation and addition to the ARC.
On a different note, given that Oren has written about 10 stories this week (and it's only Wednesday), I'm not shocked about the typo. Didn't even notice it until you brought it up. Oren's been doing work, though.
Quote from: hoopfan22 on May 18, 2011, 08:02:13 AM
Quote from: valpo84 on May 17, 2011, 09:41:34 PM
My preference would be a big man coach. Luke is good, but someone like Ivan Vujic to be brought in to teach some toughness and interior play. Also relates to the kids we have from Croatia and Eastern Europe.
You dont' need to be a big guy to be a big man coach. Also, there's only 1 Croatian/Eastern Europe player on the team. You want a coach hired to relate specifically to him?
There's two from Split Croatia, and maybe a 3d coming. And it also helps with recruiting big men from that area.
Quote from: valpo84 on May 18, 2011, 08:58:25 PM
Quote from: hoopfan22 on May 18, 2011, 08:02:13 AM
Quote from: valpo84 on May 17, 2011, 09:41:34 PM
My preference would be a big man coach. Luke is good, but someone like Ivan Vujic to be brought in to teach some toughness and interior play. Also relates to the kids we have from Croatia and Eastern Europe.
You dont' need to be a big guy to be a big man coach. Also, there's only 1 Croatian/Eastern Europe player on the team. You want a coach hired to relate specifically to him?
There's two from Split Croatia, and maybe a 3d coming. And it also helps with recruiting big men from that area.
As noted above, we should probably refrain from making this a race thing. Valparaiso University does not discriminate on the basis of race and we should not either.
Ok, moving on people...will Bryce keep the entire same staff or will wholesale changes be made?
He'll presumably make at least one hire, right?
And, I don't particularly see a need to re-discuss in detail whether (or how much) we should prioritize hiring a black, or maybe some other racial minority, assistant coach. But, at Valpo, I guess race _is_ a factor in admissions and hiring, right? I'd have to double check, but I assume there's some intentionality about making the campus a racially/ethnically-diverse (not only spiritually-diverse) place.
Quote from: KL31NY on May 18, 2011, 06:22:29 PM
On a different note, given that Oren has written about 10 stories this week (and it's only Wednesday), I'm not shocked about the typo. Didn't even notice it until you brought it up. Oren's been doing work, though.
To clarify: I didn't mean to make a big deal out of it. I was just a bit startled to notice it after copying-and-pasting. It's not a normal thing, but also isn't a big deal. If we wanted to assess blame, I'd blame it on the copy editor more than on the writer.
I've been quite impressed by the work of Paul and others at the Times, this season and post-season especially. And, indeed, the flurry of articles in the last couple of days has been very impressive. (And, as I say, even the copy editors seem to do fine work! I don't regularly notice such typoes in the Times.)
Quote from: agibson on May 19, 2011, 02:46:59 AM
He'll presumably make at least one hire, right?
And, I don't particularly see a need to re-discuss in detail whether (or how much) we should prioritize hiring a black, or maybe some other racial minority, assistant coach. But, at Valpo, I guess race _is_ a factor in admissions and hiring, right? I'd have to double check, but I assume there's some intentionality about making the campus a racially/ethnically-diverse (not only spiritually-diverse) place.
The popular thinking among today's most progressive (non-political definition) corporate business decision-makers is to value the broad spectrum of diversity as a major business strength. Race is only one of several considerations. Other dimensions of diversity include such things as age, gender, ethnicity, work experience, education, geographic orientation (e.g., urban vs. rural), etc., etc. The theory is that heterogeneous groups function more effectively and make better comprehensive business decisions than do homogeneous groups. That said, from a business perspective Bryce should take all of these dimensions into account in making hiring decisions. Thus, the successful candidate may or may not be white, may or may not be young, may or may not be male, etc., etc. Having someone "black" or "female" or whatever on staff for the sake of looking p.c. is an outmoded, designed-to-fail mechanism will never get us where we need to go in American society.
Agreed. It's going to be interesting to see who's on staff.
Quote from: wh on May 19, 2011, 11:12:19 AM
Quote from: agibson on May 19, 2011, 02:46:59 AM
He'll presumably make at least one hire, right?
And, I don't particularly see a need to re-discuss in detail whether (or how much) we should prioritize hiring a black, or maybe some other racial minority, assistant coach. But, at Valpo, I guess race _is_ a factor in admissions and hiring, right? I'd have to double check, but I assume there's some intentionality about making the campus a racially/ethnically-diverse (not only spiritually-diverse) place.
The popular thinking among today's most progressive (non-political definition) corporate business decision-makers is to value the broad spectrum of diversity as a major business strength. Race is only one of several considerations. Other dimensions of diversity include such things as age, gender, ethnicity, work experience, education, geographic orientation (e.g., urban vs. rural), etc., etc. The theory is that heterogeneous groups function more effectively and make better comprehensive business decisions than do homogeneous groups. That said, from a business perspective Bryce should take all of these dimensions into account in making hiring decisions. Thus, the successful candidate may or may not be white, may or may not be young, may or may not be male, etc., etc. Having someone "black" or "female" or whatever on staff for the sake of looking p.c. is an outmoded, designed-to-fail mechanism will never get us where we need to go in American society.
Well said, wh.
Speaking of being progressive, here is an idea that might be a little out there, but roll with me. What about the idea of the men's and women's programs "sharing" coaches? If we have a talented "bigs" coach, why not have that person do double duty and work with the bigs from both teams? If you have an exceptional scouting director, let him/her break down film for both teams. If one head coach is more experienced and has had more success, let him or her handle the head coaching duties for both teams.
I know this is really outside-the-box thinking, but I would love to see how it would work out. It builds more of a basketball "program" instead of separate "programs." And if this idea is a stinker, I can handle that too. (That said, flames, trolling or put downs will not be tolerated by the admins here)
I guess conflicting travel schedules would get in the way of some of that?
It is an idea that doesn't pass the first test of the physical demension. How does a coach occupy two places at the same time? Until they make exceptions to the schedule for it which probably would never work that person can't physically do both jobs.
Well, the ball is now squarely in Mark Labarbara's court. If we really wanted to pursue something like this, it would be on him to work with Horizon officials to get scheduling issues ironed out. Maybe we would have to have women's and men's practices back-to-back? I think this is an idea worth exploring, even if just for fun.
Quote from: dcvalpo on May 19, 2011, 01:16:30 PM
Well, the ball is now squarely in Mark Labarbara's court. If we really wanted to pursue something like this, it would be on him to work with Horizon officials to get scheduling issues ironed out. Maybe we would have to have women's and men's practices back-to-back? I think this is an idea worth exploring, even if just for fun.
Scheduling is never easy even now. Remember how scheduling hurt Valpo against Loyola (okay, that was at least Bryce's opinion--and he's now the head coach). I'd like to see you come up with a schedule that even works without any input from the other teams. One that works just for Valpo. I think you'll find it impossible.
Quote from: bbtds on May 19, 2011, 03:01:01 PM
Quote from: dcvalpo on May 19, 2011, 01:16:30 PM
Well, the ball is now squarely in Mark Labarbara's court. If we really wanted to pursue something like this, it would be on him to work with Horizon officials to get scheduling issues ironed out. Maybe we would have to have women's and men's practices back-to-back? I think this is an idea worth exploring, even if just for fun.
Scheduling is never easy even now. Remember how scheduling hurt Valpo against Loyola (okay, that was at least Bryce's opinion--and he's now the head coach). I'd like to see you come up with a schedule that even works without any input from the other teams. One that works just for Valpo. I think you'll find it impossible.
Hey, this is why Mark L. makes the big bucks! :lol:
Quote from: dcvalpo on May 19, 2011, 12:24:26 PM
Quote from: wh on May 19, 2011, 11:12:19 AM
Quote from: agibson on May 19, 2011, 02:46:59 AM
He'll presumably make at least one hire, right?
And, I don't particularly see a need to re-discuss in detail whether (or how much) we should prioritize hiring a black, or maybe some other racial minority, assistant coach. But, at Valpo, I guess race _is_ a factor in admissions and hiring, right? I'd have to double check, but I assume there's some intentionality about making the campus a racially/ethnically-diverse (not only spiritually-diverse) place.
The popular thinking among today's most progressive (non-political definition) corporate business decision-makers is to value the broad spectrum of diversity as a major business strength. Race is only one of several considerations. Other dimensions of diversity include such things as age, gender, ethnicity, work experience, education, geographic orientation (e.g., urban vs. rural), etc., etc. The theory is that heterogeneous groups function more effectively and make better comprehensive business decisions than do homogeneous groups. That said, from a business perspective Bryce should take all of these dimensions into account in making hiring decisions. Thus, the successful candidate may or may not be white, may or may not be young, may or may not be male, etc., etc. Having someone "black" or "female" or whatever on staff for the sake of looking p.c. is an outmoded, designed-to-fail mechanism will never get us where we need to go in American society.
Well said, wh.
Speaking of being progressive, here is an idea that might be a little out there, but roll with me. What about the idea of the men's and women's programs "sharing" coaches? If we have a talented "bigs" coach, why not have that person do double duty and work with the bigs from both teams? If you have an exceptional scouting director, let him/her break down film for both teams. If one head coach is more experienced and has had more success, let him or her handle the head coaching duties for both teams.
I know this is really outside-the-box thinking, but I would love to see how it would work out. It builds more of a basketball "program" instead of separate "programs." And if this idea is a stinker, I can handle that too. (That said, flames, trolling or put downs will not be tolerated by the admins here)
well, i certainly never did consider that as an option. as much i trust freeman to get things turned around soon, i don't see how plausible this is. at all!
Quote from: DMvalpo18 on May 19, 2011, 08:28:15 PM
People also said a dunk shot or a three pointer shot wasn't a plausible addition to the game, and I think we all know how that turned out.
Listen, it wouldn't take much. Some handy scheduling, bumping up the pay scale a bit, some unique practice schedules, and this program will be making some national headlines....maybe this time we will capitalize, unlike the lack of action taken following the Sweet 16 run.
Having coaches work for both the men's and women's programs? That's absurd. And it's also probably against NCAA rules.
Sometimes you guys amaze me.
I have to agree with Valpo89....completely ridiculous. If you want a winner you need coaches fully devoted to one team for one cause. This is almost as bad as the thread that has turned into an abbreviation discussion.
NCAA rules dictate that you may have four coaches that work with players on the court, and four coaches that are allowed to recruit (the same four).
If you have a coach working for both teams, who do they recruit for, given that the recruiting periods are during the same times? Who do they travel with when the teams are in different cities?
Also, saying "a good big man coach" might be great for the men's game, but MBB and WBB are vastly different when it comes to position coaches. Yes, someone could be good at both, but the approaches have to be different, as the skill set is different.
i have no idea how on earth it would ever occur to fuse two different programs, and two vastly different games (men's and women's basketball) for the sake of unifying the athletic department. national headlines? oh yeah, you would get that. it would be nothing more than a publicity stunt, and a worthless one. here's an idea. let's get our name out there by WINNING.
Ok ok, enough with the flames...I get it, you guys don't like my idea. I said from the start that it probably wasn't feasible...just worth a quick talk.
Let's get back on topic here
Quote from: dcvalpo on May 19, 2011, 10:02:22 PM
Ok ok, enough with the flames...I get it, you guys don't like my idea. I said from the start that it probably wasn't feasible...just worth a quick talk.
Let's get back on topic here
somehow bryce got grouped with freeman, and how there should be a combined basketball program. calling that out of the box is a euphamism. but i at least i will give you credit for trying to think of something new. despite how out of the ordinary it may be.
Thanks DM, I'm just trying to think of some interesting alternatives here..don't shoot the messenger, guys! :P