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Nobody really wants to talk about it, but as Paul Oren has pointed out, someone has left the program every year since 2003.  Just when people are saying "peace" and "security!" ... ye know not the day nor the hour.

Here's a totally random assessment from someone on the internet who lives like a thousand miles away, so it must be legit.

Not going anywhere ("out", in NFL injury terms)
Keith Carter
E Victor Nickerson
Darien Walker
Shane Hammink

All these people have either just sat out a year and/or have just a year of eligibility remaining.  So...in the words of Chris Rock, "never say never?  I'M saying NEVER."

Could, but doubt it ("doubtful" on the NFL gamblers' injury report)
Alec Peters -- if Bryce leaves, and he and his girlfriend break up, and possibly completely forgets who he is (be on watch for:  tattoos)
Jubril Adekoya -- lost his starting job and didn't pout, still saw a lot of PT, so you would hope not...
David Skara -- sure, this European forward won't go anywhere.  plenty of promise, outside shooting touch, good fundamentals...what?  you were talking about Sam Haänpaä?  Oh.
Tevonn Walker -- maybe a big school comes calling.  Izzo, or someone with fewer scruples, needs guys like this.
Lexus Williams -- the band still went on tour without him.  Not saying he would, but if he could go somewhere else and play immediately because of the injury redshirt?  I'm not sure if the recent NCAA loophole closure applies to this type of case.  I hope it does.
Chandler Levingston Simon -- He had a scholarship somewhere else; he may want one along with more PT.

You never know ("questionable")
Max Joseph
Nick Davidson

Obviously the writing is on the wall here for them; PT will be even scarcer than this year.  But hear me out; I have a solution that will make everyone happy.  (Not to steal from my upcoming PT thread or anything.)

OH NO HE'S GOING TO BANG REDSHIRT DRUM AGAIN ISN'T HE

Hear me out:  plan to redshirt them both (unless break glass in case of injury).  We have plenty of guards next year.  BUT the year after that, less so.  And none are coming in this year.

SO

Max Joseph would get plenty of run in 2017-19, and maybe Davidson then sees Joseph-like minutes from this year.  If not, then he might just be able to pull a Will Bogan: graduate in 3 and still have 2 to play somewhere that he'd play more.

What sayest thou?

I would move E. Victor from the Not Going Anywhere category into the Could, But Doubt It category. He could pull the graduate transfer move to a bigger program. I am really hoping not, as he is one of my favorites with his length and athleticism at the guard position to go with his enthusiasm.

So if Bryce leaves we might as well throw this team out the window?

I don't think that's the case. If he takes powell...it may be armageddon.

Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on March 26, 2015, 11:06:02 AMif Bryce leaves, and he and his girlfriend break up

before this ends up on the "Coaching Rumors" thread, I should vehemently underscore that by "he" I was referring to Alec, not Bryce

Quote from: truth219 on March 26, 2015, 12:13:52 PM
I don't think that's the case. If he takes powell...it may be armageddon.

Should we just become DePaul fans then?

 You can..I wont.

I'm gonna stay on topic...

To me one of the most likely candidates, in my mind, is Jubril.

He has the possibility at being the third inline at the power forward position. With Skara vastly improving this season and the addition of Hammink, who I'm guessing will be game ready from the get-go, he may see his playing time be slashed. The one constant at the forward position is Alec.

I'm guessing Smits won't be quite ready, yet. Depends on how much muscle he gains this offseason but I'm guessing he'll get his playing time.

I really think the key may be Hammink for Jubril, if Hammink is a great player that LSU just didn't appreciate then Jubril may not see the court as much. If Hammink is average then Jubril should see equal playing time to last season.

It'll be interesting to see who gets the minutes this season. We replace one talented player, Vashil, with Lexus, Hammink, Smits, and Relvao. Two out of the four are college ready and we already know Lexus has the potential to be the next star PG in the HL and perhaps Smits is the next Frank "the tank" Kaminsky.

The big candidates in my mind are:

Jubril and Max, both can go to other D1 schools and see significant playing time.

I could see Nick transfer down to D2.

Quote from: classof2014 on March 26, 2015, 12:51:28 PMWith Skara vastly improving this season and the addition of Hammink, who I'm guessing will be game ready from the get-go

Hammink's game is more that of a perimeter player; although he is 6'7, he's listed at guard.  Again, HEIGHT

I see Nick doing the same as Yeo last year. He'll stay someplace close, but since he's not getting the PT and I don't think he's quite a D1 player at our level I can see him leaving. I really don't want Max to leave and I don't think he will as long as Tevonn is here. I think they were kind of a package deal and I think Max is better than he's shown in limited playing time.

Looks like Trey Lewis may be done at Cleveland State. He is graduating and will be eligible immediately. Wouldn't be too surprised to see Anton Grady follow suite and transfer to a higher program somewhere.

Quote from: Kyle321n on March 26, 2015, 01:46:17 PM
I see Nick doing the same as Yeo last year. He'll stay someplace close, but since he's not getting the PT and I don't think he's quite a D1 player at our level I can see him leaving. I really don't want Max to leave and I don't think he will as long as Tevonn is here. I think they were kind of a package deal and I think Max is better than he's shown in limited playing time.

I don't know if Clay and Nick were close, but with Zach Miller and Matt Schauss graduating at Bethel it would seem like maybe a good fit for Nick. I also thought that Nick looked like he had improved quite a bit this year over last.

Quote from: valpo4life on March 30, 2015, 03:00:26 PM
Looks like Trey Lewis may be done at Cleveland State. He is graduating and will be eligible immediately. Wouldn't be too surprised to see Anton Grady follow suite and transfer to a higher program somewhere.

Perhaps Michigan State?

Izzo does have a knack for poaching HL talent.

Someone on the CSU board mentioned Louisville as a possible destination for Lewis.

Would make sense. Louisville needs someone who can shoot, desperately.

Quote from: FWalum on March 30, 2015, 03:10:15 PM

Quote from: Kyle321n on March 26, 2015, 01:46:17 PM
I see Nick doing the same as Yeo last year. He'll stay someplace close, but since he's not getting the PT and I don't think he's quite a D1 player at our level I can see him leaving. I really don't want Max to leave and I don't think he will as long as Tevonn is here. I think they were kind of a package deal and I think Max is better than he's shown in limited playing time.

I don't know if Clay and Nick were close, but with Zach Miller and Matt Schauss graduating at Bethel it would seem like maybe a good fit for Nick. I also thought that Nick looked like he had improved quite a bit this year over last.

Putting this into perspective VU has had a number of teams over the last 15 years where Nick would have gotten significant and sometimes important playing time but 15-16 will not be one of them. Barring multiple transfers and injuries we have just become too good and too deep. Nick is the best northwest Indiana basketball player we have gotten since Kenny Harris and there are still no minutes available.

I have trouble imagining him being forced out so unless he wants to go after the additional playing time he may return. A Valpo degree has to be of significantly higher value than one from Bethel (just my assumption) so that type of thinking may factor in his decision.

Max will be an excellent player, but playing time could be hard to come by and redshirting might be the best option. If that happens he would be the best non injury, non transfer redshirt we have ever sat.

Quote from: justducky on March 30, 2015, 07:15:11 PMNick is the best northwest Indiana basketball player we have gotten since Kenny Harris

because...only.

Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on March 30, 2015, 07:27:41 PM

Quote from: justducky on March 30, 2015, 07:15:11 PMNick is the best northwest Indiana basketball player we have gotten since Kenny Harris

because...only.

What purpose was served by your saying this?  ???

Um...pointing out that he's only the "best since Harris" because he's THE ONLY SINCE HARRIS.

Quote from: justducky on March 30, 2015, 07:15:11 PMI have trouble imagining him being forced out so unless he wants to go after the additional playing time he may return. A Valpo degree has to be of significantly higher value than one from Bethel (just my assumption) so that type of thinking may factor in his decision.

Nick Davidson's major is nursing, so unless Bethel or another lower Div program also has a nursing program I doubt you will see him transfer. OTOH, I'm sure there are many lower Div schools that have a nursing major.

Some thoughts from this page....Nick Davidson loves it at VU and knows he's getting a top notch nursing degree. I doubt he's going anywhere. Jubril will see a similar role next year as he did this season. He'll play some minutes at the 5 and back up Alec at the 4. Skara and Hammink are not power forwards. One of BRYCE's challenges next season will be creative ways to get these guys minutes. I think both with see some time at the 2, but mostly rotating at the 3. There are always injuries, but as things stand right now, this will be the deepest team in Valpo history.

This offseason has a chance to be the first offseason in quite a while without anybody leaving. There are a few players that I could understand if they choose to play elsewhere but don't see it happening. This team has some unfinished business and the 15/16 Valpo team has the chance to be the best Valpo team in the history of the university.

Who doesn't want to be on a top-25 caliber team?

chef - Is there any intent or possibility of bringing in an experienced player that plays the 4 or 5? Smits has potential, but there is always a significant learning curve for a Freshman. Jubril will play ~20 minutes per game at the 5 and backing up Peters at the 4. The one gap in a very promising 2015-2016 season is the need for more depth up front.

Per Goodman, here's the Horizon league players transferring (so far):

Cleveland State:
Trey Lewis 6-2, G, RS Jr. (will graduate)

Oakland:
Collin Weaver, 6-2, G, Soph.

UIC:
D'Juan Miller, 5-8, G, Jr.

Wright State:
Grant Evans, 6-3, G, Fr
Mark Howell, 5-10, PG, Soph

Youngstown State:
Marcus Keene, 5-11, G, Soph.
Jalon Plummer, 6-5, G, Soph.
Shaun Stewart, 6-0, G, Jr.
Osandai Vaughn, 6-4, G, Soph.

Quote from: bbtds on March 30, 2015, 08:03:38 PM

Quote from: justducky on March 30, 2015, 07:15:11 PMI have trouble imagining him being forced out so unless he wants to go after the additional playing time he may return. A Valpo degree has to be of significantly higher value than one from Bethel (just my assumption) so that type of thinking may factor in his decision.

Nick Davidson's major is nursing, so unless Bethel or another lower Div program also has a nursing program I doubt you will see him transfer. OTOH, I'm sure there are many lower Div schools that have a nursing major.

I had to check and Bethel College in Mishawaka does have a nursing major.

http://www.bethelcollege.edu/students/undergrad/academic-dept-prog/nursing-school/ (http://www.bethelcollege.edu/students/undergrad/academic-dept-prog/nursing-school/)

Next season could be epic

Quote from: historyman on March 31, 2015, 10:31:16 AM

Quote from: bbtds on March 30, 2015, 08:03:38 PM

Quote from: justducky on March 30, 2015, 07:15:11 PMI have trouble imagining him being forced out so unless he wants to go after the additional playing time he may return. A Valpo degree has to be of significantly higher value than one from Bethel (just my assumption) so that type of thinking may factor in his decision.

Nick Davidson's major is nursing, so unless Bethel or another lower Div program also has a nursing program I doubt you will see him transfer. OTOH, I'm sure there are many lower Div schools that have a nursing major.

I had to check and Bethel College in Mishawaka does have a nursing major.

http://www.bethelcollege.edu/students/undergrad/academic-dept-prog/nursing-school/ (http://www.bethelcollege.edu/students/undergrad/academic-dept-prog/nursing-school/)

I'm pretty sure Valpo's nursing program is very highly regarded.  Also, if he finishes his degree before his eligibility is over, he could move on toward a masters degree or even a doctorate at Valpo. 

Quote from: vu84v2 on March 31, 2015, 08:46:44 AM
chef - Is there any intent or possibility of bringing in an experienced player that plays the 4 or 5? Smits has potential, but there is always a significant learning curve for a Freshman. Jubril will play ~20 minutes per game at the 5 and backing up Peters at the 4. The one gap in a very promising 2015-2016 season is the need for more depth up front.

The staff is done recruiting players for next season. There's enough options up front to not be to concerned. There's much hope that Smits will come in right away and have a significant impact. The potential size and versatility at the 3 and 4 spots allows Jubril to play big minutes at the five without worrying about defensive matchup problems. It's natural to overlook Jubril's contributions to the team because he doesn't put up the numbers, but there's a reason why he's been a great +/- guy during his two years in a Valpo uniform. He's loaded with intangibles - doesn't turn it over, doesn't take bad shots, comes up with 50/50 balls, plays solid defense, etc.

Quote from: chef on March 31, 2015, 11:30:44 PMThe staff is done recruiting players for next season. There's enough options up front to not be to concerned

I like the sound of that.. It is April 1 and our 15-16 team seems to be set with playing time and redshirting possibilities to sort themselves out over the summer. What other teams in the country are in that position?

Quote from: chef on March 31, 2015, 11:30:44 PM

Quote from: vu84v2 on March 31, 2015, 08:46:44 AM
chef - Is there any intent or possibility of bringing in an experienced player that plays the 4 or 5? Smits has potential, but there is always a significant learning curve for a Freshman. Jubril will play ~20 minutes per game at the 5 and backing up Peters at the 4. The one gap in a very promising 2015-2016 season is the need for more depth up front.

The staff is done recruiting players for next season. There's enough options up front to not be to concerned. There's much hope that Smits will come in right away and have a significant impact. The potential size and versatility at the 3 and 4 spots allows Jubril to play big minutes at the five without worrying about defensive matchup problems. It's natural to overlook Jubril's contributions to the team because he doesn't put up the numbers, but there's a reason why he's been a great +/- guy during his two years in a Valpo uniform. He's loaded with intangibles - doesn't turn it over, doesn't take bad shots, comes up with 50/50 balls, plays solid defense, etc.

I'm wondering which of the guys (Smits or Relvao) is further along.  From tape I've seen it seems like it might be Relvao. Sometimes these Euro players are further along then expected, like David Skara as an example.  Given our lack of bigs, and if the answer is Smits, is there any possibility of Daniel redshirting?

Quote from: vu72 on April 01, 2015, 09:25:17 AMI'm wondering which of the guys (Smits or Relvao) is further along.  From tape I've seen it seems like it might be Relvao. Sometimes these Euro players are further along then expected, like David Skara as an example.  Given our lack of bigs, and if the answer is Smits, is there any possibility of Daniel redshirting?

Relvao may be further along as far as physical maturity, but its not really close in skills or BB IQ, I think Smits has the edge.

Here is a full game Mountain Mission vs Our Savior New American, see what you think. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st1WfT1wS-c#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st1WfT1wS-c#ws)

I wonder if anyone knows that Our Savior New American School is a mission project of Our Savior Lutheran Church (LCMS) in Centerreach, NY on Long Island. The head coach of the basketball team and pastor of the church was a vicar at our church in Indy. Centerreach, BTW, is near Stony Brook, where SUNY Stony Brook is located.

http://www.our-savior.com/pages/pastor/about.shtml (http://www.our-savior.com/pages/pastor/about.shtml)

Ron Stelzer--Since 1992 he is also the founder and headmaster of Our Savior New American School, where he continues to do chapels, teach Latin, and coach basketball. He has authored a book and numerous articles and been on several mission trips to Asia and Africa. His weekly radio program airs on WALK-AM 1370 every Sunday morning at 8:15. Three weeks in the summer he runs his highly regarded basketball camp. He and his wife Margaret have six children, all graduates of Our Savior New American School.

Yup.

http://www.osnas.com/ (http://www.osnas.com/)

For those of you who haven't seen/heard, Grady is also transferring away from Cleveland State. They have gone from potential threat to bottom of the league losing him and Lewis.

Quote from: valpo4life on April 23, 2015, 04:03:35 PM
For those of you who haven't seen/heard, Grady is also transferring away from Cleveland State. They have gone from potential threat to bottom of the league losing him and Lewis.

yes, we know. It's been posted in two other threads

(from my other post in Horizon League section)

CSU took a double hit this year but there are going to be a lot more of these graduate transfers in the future. It makes sense for some players in the inbetween zone. If they are offered a scholarship at a Big Six school but know they won't play a lot when they get there they can transfer down to a mid-major. Then when they graduate early due to red-shirting they can fulfill their ultimate dream of starting for the major in their 4th year of eligibility. I believe at sometime Valpo will take a double hit in the graduate transfer situation in the future.

Isn't it amazing that Louisville fills out next year's backcourt with not 1, but 2 transfers.  Big time college basketball is getting to be a joke!

Quote from: historyman on April 24, 2015, 11:00:47 AM(from my other post in Horizon League section) CSU took a double hit this year but there are going to be a lot more of these graduate transfers in the future. It makes sense for some players in the inbetween zone. If they are offered a scholarship at a Big Six school but know they won't play a lot when they get there they can transfer down to a mid-major. Then when they graduate early due to red-shirting they can fulfill their ultimate dream of starting for the major in their 4th year of eligibility. I believe at sometime Valpo will take a double hit in the graduate transfer situation in the future.

We typically don't red shirt. 

Quote from: oklahomamick on April 25, 2015, 10:24:48 PM

Quote from: historyman on April 24, 2015, 11:00:47 AM(from my other post in Horizon League section) CSU took a double hit this year but there are going to be a lot more of these graduate transfers in the future. It makes sense for some players in the inbetween zone. If they are offered a scholarship at a Big Six school but know they won't play a lot when they get there they can transfer down to a mid-major. Then when they graduate early due to red-shirting they can fulfill their ultimate dream of starting for the major in their 4th year of eligibility. I believe at sometime Valpo will take a double hit in the graduate transfer situation in the future.

We typically don't red shirt. 

Okay, but we did lose Brandon Wood to Michigan State because he went down a year to a junior college before coming to Valpo. Could that not happen again times two? Or are we through with student/athletes that sit due to transfer (Levingston-Simon, Hammink, Carter) or injury (Lexus Williams) or moving in from junior colleges (Darien Walker). I personally don't feel that any of these guys will go the graduate transfer route but you really never know for sure. When those majors tell their players that so and so could play for their team the word gets around.

Quote from: oklahomamick on April 25, 2015, 10:24:48 PMWe typically don't red shirt. 

Given that we could have 13 eligible and healthy players and given that the last 3 of those might rarely see the floor - well maybe this will be the year.

Hopefully this is a sign that Joseph does not transfer!

http://valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2014-15/14681/powell-adekoya-joseph-to-head-on-aia-tour-of-poland/#.VUiL8XlgNzk (http://valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2014-15/14681/powell-adekoya-joseph-to-head-on-aia-tour-of-poland/#.VUiL8XlgNzk)

Word is that Cleveland State's Anton Grady is transferring to the Missouri Valley Conference (Wichita St.): lucky him! Can he take Valpo with him?  ;)

Quote from: valpopal on May 08, 2015, 11:27:34 AM
Word is that Cleveland State's Anton Grady is transferring to the Missouri Valley Conference (Wichita St.): lucky him! Can he take Valpo with him?  ;)

Incredible get for Wichita State. Grady is a beast, but was limited offensively with easy double teams due to the lack of shooters at CSU. And by limited I mean he was still a top 5 HL player.

He was also the 2nd best defensive player in the conference last year. He'll make WSU happy.

Quote from: a3uge on May 08, 2015, 02:35:31 PM

Quote from: valpopal on May 08, 2015, 11:27:34 AM
Word is that Cleveland State's Anton Grady is transferring to the Missouri Valley Conference (Wichita St.): lucky him! Can he take Valpo with him?  ;)

Incredible get for Wichita State. Grady is a beast, but was limited offensively with easy double teams due to the lack of shooters at CSU. And by limited I mean he was still a top 5 HL player.

He was also the 2nd best defensive player in the conference last year. He'll make WSU happy.

Agree that he was a beast but not so much when you said that CSU lacked shooters.  Lee and Lewis were both top 5 3 point shooters last year, with Lee being second, one slot above Alec. Mason also shoot 37% and their team averaged just a half a point less than we did.

I hate to bring this up, but  saw a selfie of E. Victor in graduation garb.  Thus, He could do the post grad move and go to another school for his last year.  I love his game and he is an incredible matchup problem.  My only thought was that with Hammink coming on and being a similar matchup problem that E might consider moving on. Let's hope not.

Quote from: vu72 on May 18, 2015, 02:06:56 PM
I hate to bring this up, but  saw a selfie of E. Victor in graduation garb.  Thus, He could do the post grad move and go to another school for his last year.  I love his game and he is an incredible matchup problem.  My only thought was that with Hammink coming on and being a similar matchup problem that E might consider moving on. Let's hope not.

I was thinking the same thing when I saw the pic as well.  It was posted by Valpo Athletics on Facebook, and had a smiling Heckler as well!

Even though E would be a big loss, it is a loss that we could take with the people coming back from injuries & Hammink.

Quote from: valpotx on May 18, 2015, 10:33:47 PMEven though E would be a big loss, it is a loss that we could take with the people coming back from injuries & Hammink.

I would think the odds of him leaving are pretty small. Might only be 40 or less arguably better 15-16 teams and I doubt that he has much incentive to move down or even sideways. He is also not an outstanding offensive point or shooting guard, and of the 3 positions shooting forward might be his weakest. So he is a perfect multi-position versatile backup for VU but I can't see him as a first team regular starter for any top twenty team.

Sure! He might be approached, but he would need to find multiple clear advantages to prompt him to go.

And I would add that  E.V . would have a strong sense of loyalty to a family oriented program that stood behind him during post surgery recovery and one that found a way to get him substantial minutes -- and the respect of Valpo fans.

EVN isn't going anywhere. He got his undergrad done in 4 years and will go for his grad degree. If he hasn't left yet, he's not going anywhere.

Quote from: classof2014 on May 19, 2015, 09:25:03 AM
EVN isn't going anywhere. He got his undergrad done in 4 years and will go for his grad degree. If he hasn't left yet, he's not going anywhere.

I'm glad you feel that way. I can't wait to see what a fully healthy EVN looks like.  We saw some of it late in the year but if his shot improves he will be almost unguardable considering a much smaller guy trying to keep up.

Quote from: vu72 on May 19, 2015, 09:58:49 AM

Quote from: classof2014 on May 19, 2015, 09:25:03 AM
EVN isn't going anywhere. He got his undergrad done in 4 years and will go for his grad degree. If he hasn't left yet, he's not going anywhere.

I'm glad you feel that way. I can't wait to see what a fully healthy EVN looks like.  We saw some of it late in the year but if his shot improves he will be almost unguardable considering a much smaller guy trying to keep up.

I think EVN will not be bringing the ball up the floor as he was forced to do with the injuries of Carter and Lexus. Max will have a tougher time getting floor time until that inevitable injury does happen. I think we will see EVN play more as a forward this year but if needed he has great ability to play point, score off the dribble or shoot from outside. It amazed me how EVN got the scoring going when the team was sometimes in a scoring funk.

Well something has to happen to make way for Vashil's return.

Quote from: hoopfan22 on May 21, 2015, 08:28:11 AMWell something has to happen to make way for Vashil's return.

This is getting a little annoying.

I can't be the only one that's gotten wind of this.

Quote from: hoopfan22 on May 21, 2015, 01:50:09 PM
I can't be the only one that's gotten wind of this.

Maybe someone else living under the rock with you has.

Quote from: hoopfan22 on May 21, 2015, 01:50:09 PM
I can't be the only one that's gotten wind of this.

We like to stand up wind.   ;D

What is the deal with Vashil - I do not get it.

Quote from: usc4valpo on May 22, 2015, 10:12:50 AM
What is the deal with Vashil - I do not get it.

Honestly, I think it is a basketball fan going through withdrawal and fantasizing!

I _am_ curious to see what Vashil's next chapter is.  3U soccer coach was a good gig, but probably doesn't pay the bills.

As hoopfan22 mentioned earlier, Vashiel could be back for another year. The wind blows pretty strong in Valpourainsnow, Windyana.

Wow!  Just wow!

Some news for EVN... He's coming back:

https://twitter.com/evicnic/status/605060163595341825

[tweet]605060163595341825[/tweet]

he had surgery?

https://twitter.com/evicnic/status/606822651164819456

[tweet]606822651164819456[/tweet]

QuoteThank you lord for my successful surgery!

Quote from: RS on June 05, 2015, 09:38:19 AM
As hoopfan22 mentioned earlier, Vashiel could be back for another year. The wind blows pretty strong in Valpourainsnow, Windyana.

I can see where everyone would like to see this happen, but I'm not convinced that the NCAA would rule differently than before.  If Valpo and Vashil are petitioning the NCAA for another year - great.  But, I won't get my hopes up for a positive outcome.  If Vashil was granted another year, what happens to the roster?  We are already at the max scholarships, so someone would need to transfer or pay their own way.  Can anyone even give us a "no comment" on whether or not Valpo/Vashil are seeking another year?

I have a feeling I know what Vashil was doing up till 2 weeks ago and a few days beyond that.

https://www.theknot.com/us/bridget-eichner-and-vashil-fernandez-may-2015-1ff2d97e-bb68-48f8-a778-53dbdf41b5f2 (https://www.theknot.com/us/bridget-eichner-and-vashil-fernandez-may-2015-1ff2d97e-bb68-48f8-a778-53dbdf41b5f2)

I don't understand Vashil's incentive in staying another year, if he is granted such a thing.  He received his Bachelor's degree, and will earn money in Europe playing basketball, until he needs to use his degree.  Maybe he is thinking long-term past basketball, and trying to finish his Master's??  I would very much welcome another year of a dominating defensive presence, to help work with Smits, but I just can't see it happening.

Quote from: a3uge on June 05, 2015, 11:31:24 AM
Some news for EVN... He's coming back:

https://twitter.com/evicnic/status/605060163595341825 (https://twitter.com/evicnic/status/605060163595341825)

[tweet]605060163595341825[/tweet]

he had surgery?

https://twitter.com/evicnic/status/606822651164819456 (https://twitter.com/evicnic/status/606822651164819456)

[tweet]606822651164819456[/tweet]

QuoteThank you lord for my successful surgery!

On the Road Again

(http://i59.tinypic.com/2vct4l3.jpg)

What kind of surgery did EVN have?  Didn't know he had a problem.

Quote from: covufan on June 05, 2015, 12:13:38 PM

Quote from: RS on June 05, 2015, 09:38:19 AM
As hoopfan22 mentioned earlier, Vashiel could be back for another year. The wind blows pretty strong in Valpourainsnow, Windyana.

I can see where everyone would like to see this happen, but I'm not convinced that the NCAA would rule differently than before.  If Valpo and Vashil are petitioning the NCAA for another year - great.  But, I won't get my hopes up for a positive outcome.  If Vashil was granted another year, what happens to the roster?  We are already at the max scholarships, so someone would need to transfer or pay their own way.  Can anyone even give us a "no comment" on whether or not Valpo/Vashil are seeking another year?

It's a pretty open secret at this point. I've heard from no less than 5 sources that he's been granted the year.

Quote from: hoopfan22 on June 08, 2015, 09:22:04 AM

Quote from: covufan on June 05, 2015, 12:13:38 PM

Quote from: RS on June 05, 2015, 09:38:19 AM
As hoopfan22 mentioned earlier, Vashiel could be back for another year. The wind blows pretty strong in Valpourainsnow, Windyana.

I can see where everyone would like to see this happen, but I'm not convinced that the NCAA would rule differently than before.  If Valpo and Vashil are petitioning the NCAA for another year - great.  But, I won't get my hopes up for a positive outcome.  If Vashil was granted another year, what happens to the roster?  We are already at the max scholarships, so someone would need to transfer or pay their own way.  Can anyone even give us a "no comment" on whether or not Valpo/Vashil are seeking another year?

It's a pretty open secret at this point. I've heard from no less than 5 sources that he's been granted the year.

Wow, great news!  I'm sure everyone is waiting to announce after the scholarships situation has been sorted out.


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Until I see it on Valpo's athletic website, I find it very hard to believe that the NCAA would grant Vashil another year.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see Vashil get a 4th year, if he does I think it makes us a Top 25 team, he was one of the most dominant defensive players in college basketball last season, I'd love to have him back. Still, I won't believe it until I see it.

Quote from: valpotx on June 06, 2015, 04:30:21 AM
I don't understand Vashil's incentive in staying another year, if he is granted such a thing.  He received his Bachelor's degree, and will earn money in Europe playing basketball, until he needs to use his degree.  Maybe he is thinking long-term past basketball, and trying to finish his Master's??  I would very much welcome another year of a dominating defensive presence, to help work with Smits, but I just can't see it happening.

Just to give Vashil full credit, he already received a master's degree at graduation.

Wow, awesome for him.  What does that leave him to do at Valpo?  Another Master's?

Vashiel earned both a BS and MS in 4 years?

Quote from: wh on June 09, 2015, 06:09:17 AM
Vashiel earned both a BS and MS in 4 years?

He had something like a 3.97 gpa in international business if I'm recalling the correct facts!

It's been so long ago.  Can someone go back in time and remember exactly why Vashil actually lost a year of eligibility? Based on his academic accomplishments it could not have been because of academic qualifying standards.  So it must have been about basketball.

If I remember right his ineligibility might have had something to do with jumping around high schools. Playing his last at a prep school in 2010-2011. Vashil was never redshirted. I don't think this is a case of 5 years to play 4. So unless the NCAA surprisingly went back on a ruling from 4 years ago, this is all nonsense to me.

I still don't believe this could be happening unless other more recent cases of a similar nature had been ruled upon differently and Vashil has reopened his case with the NCAA based upon these more recent cases.  We all have been asking. "Vashil has already graduated with a Masters Degree, why would he want to stay instead of making money in Europe?"  However, I am not aware of at what stage his wife is in the education or job process.  Perhaps she is not ready to leave the school or the area with a very young child in tow.

Quote from: FWalum on June 12, 2015, 07:29:12 AMI still don't believe this could be happening unless other more recent cases of a similar nature had been ruled upon differently and Vashil has reopened his case with the NCAA based upon these more recent cases.

I instantly drew the same conclusion. Any other path would seem extremely remote.

Quote from: FWalum on June 12, 2015, 07:29:12 AM"Vashil has already graduated with a Masters Degree, why would he want to stay instead of making money in Europe?"  However, I am not aware of at what stage his wife is in the education or job process.  Perhaps she is not ready to leave the school or the area with a very young child in tow.

His performance last year was night vs day in comparison with the previous year. For somebody who has suddenly "learned" the game could his re'sume' be strengthened sufficiently with the additional year to warrant the loss of a years pro pay? I guess eventually enough will come out that we can understand the whole process and thinking. Or we can wipe the egg off our faces for being gullible enough to buy into this whole conversation.

I have not seen comments lately regarding the Vashil discussion...is it a dead issue now?

Not at all.

enough is enough ....   Could this Vashil talk get resolved already?   

It will get resolved when they figure out who's getting "Creaned". He's coming back though.

Quote from: hoopfan22 on July 14, 2015, 12:12:43 AM
It will get resolved when they figure out who's getting "Creaned". He's coming back though.

I agree. It's not about Vashil coming back (unless he can find a better situation for him personally at another school) but who on this Valpo team gets told there is no longer an athletic scholarship for him. I'm sure it's an agonizing decision for Bryce. That decision must be made by August when Valpo takes off for it's Canada exhibition trip.

Couldn't they simply put Vashil, or someone else, on an academic scholarship?

Paul

Vashil certainly would qualify.

Should be easy to come up with a candidate, just make sure you dot the i's and cross the t's because this will get looked at from a compliance standpoint.  I would certainly think that we would have a number of players who would qualify.

It's not that simple. The NCAA has fairly strict rules about it, so schools can't simply abuse it to have more than the allowed number of scholarships.

There are certainly many qualifications that our players would have, but there are some that involve "official" visits, whether "athletic ability" had anything to do, etc.

It might be more trouble than its worth, if there's a player who could be moved off of scholarship and out of the program fairly easily.

Quote from: ValpoHoops on July 14, 2015, 12:34:15 PM
It's not that simple. The NCAA has fairly strict rules about it, so schools can't simply abuse it to have more than the allowed number of scholarships.

There are certainly many qualifications that our players would have, but there are some that involve "official" visits, whether "athletic ability" had anything to do, etc.

It might be more trouble than its worth, if there's a player who could be moved off of scholarship and out of the program fairly easily.

Could it be as simple as Vashil applying for a need based/academic scholarship as he has already graduated.  No one would argue with a 4.0 GPA in the international commerce and policy student qualifying for a scholarship.  Wouldn't that make him a "walk-on"??

Gotta go with ValpoHoops on this  The NCAA would NEVER make it easy and would NEVER use basic logic.  If it were as simple as a need-based academic scholarship, the matter would have been resolved long ago and the announcement made.  On the other hand...... maybe it's just the NCAA bureaucracy slow-boating the probable tomes of meaningless paperwork it requires to be filed.

I found this on Wikipedia (so it has to be true right?) Read the part about Doug McDermott, the exact situation we are facing:

Finally, in rare cases, an established scholarship player may become a walk-on in order to open up his or her scholarship for another player. Three such cases in men's college basketball have received notoriety in recent years:
In 2011–12, three Louisville scholarship players, most notably Kyle Kuric and Chris Smith, became walk-ons to bring the Cardinals' scholarship totals down to the NCAA limit of 13.[1]
In 2013–14, Creighton's Doug McDermott (the son of Creighton's head coach) became a walk-on after a teammate was granted a rare sixth year of eligibility by the NCAA, putting the Bluejays over the 13-scholarship limit.[2]
In 2014–15, Xavier starting center Matt Stainbrook, enrolled in the school's MBA program, gave up his scholarship for his younger brother Tim, who had been a walk-on at Xavier the year before, in order to save their family a five-figure amount in school expenses. This led him to become a driver for the on-demand car service Uber, which gained him significant notoriety during that season.[3]

As I posted before the part about Stainbrook was reported in the Cincinnati paper so assume it is accurate.  What wasn't reported was whether Stainbrook received any other type of financial aide from Xavier or whether he and/or his family paid the full cost of his last year.

Quote from: ValpoHoops on July 14, 2015, 12:34:15 PMIt's not that simple. The NCAA has fairly strict rules about it, so schools can't simply abuse it to have more than the allowed number of scholarships.

There are certainly many qualifications that our players would have, but there are some that involve "official" visits, whether "athletic ability" had anything to do, etc.

It might be more trouble than its worth, if there's a player who could be moved off of scholarship and out of the program fairly easily.

This is something that I am glad is not simple. If it were simple the BIGS would figure out how to best exploit it towards controlling an even greater portion of the developed and developing talent pool. Vashil might be a perfect example of someone the BIGS might have recruited and stockpiled towards the goal of either getting 2 good years from him or encouraging him to transfer early (with Vashil that wouldn't have been an easy call).

Quote from: vu72 on July 14, 2015, 02:04:13 PM
I found this on Wikipedia (so it has to be true right?) Read the part about Doug McDermott, the exact situation we are facing:

Finally, in rare cases, an established scholarship player may become a walk-on in order to open up his or her scholarship for another player. Three such cases in men's college basketball have received notoriety in recent years:
In 2011–12, three Louisville scholarship players, most notably Kyle Kuric and Chris Smith, became walk-ons to bring the Cardinals' scholarship totals down to the NCAA limit of 13.[1]
In 2013–14, Creighton's Doug McDermott (the son of Creighton's head coach) became a walk-on after a teammate was granted a rare sixth year of eligibility by the NCAA, putting the Bluejays over the 13-scholarship limit.[2]
In 2014–15, Xavier starting center Matt Stainbrook, enrolled in the school's MBA program, gave up his scholarship for his younger brother Tim, who had been a walk-on at Xavier the year before, in order to save their family a five-figure amount in school expenses. This led him to become a driver for the on-demand car service Uber, which gained him significant notoriety during that season.[3]

This topic can be confusing, but the NCAA has closed some loopholes to prevent larger schools (SEC football programs) from recruiting players, then putting them on something other than an athletic scholarship (ie. academic aid or a scholarship funded by a rich alum for students standing over 6'5" and weighing at least 320 lbs.).  The NCAA uses the definition of "recruited athlete".  If a player attends a university as a "recruited athlete", then they count against the scholarship limit if the receive any financial aid (athletic or otherwise).

The examples that vu72 provides shows that athletes can go from scholarship to walk-on, but what he doesn't cover is that if they received academic or need-based aid, they would still count against the scholarship limit.  I'm familiar with the examples he refers to and here are the facts:
1.  Kyle Kuric attended Louisville with the understanding that his athletic scholarship could be taken away if it was needed for other players.  His father, an surgeon in Evansville, paid the cost of attendance when Kyle's scholarship was needed for another player.
2.  McDermott gave up his scholarship.  His father was making millions as the head coach and was able to cover his son's cost of attendance.
3.  For the Stainbrook's, they chose to pay for Matt's Grad school because it was less expensive than his younger brother's undergrad tuition.

From what I know, all of Valpo's 14 players (assuming Vashil returns) will be designated as "recruited athletes".  That pretty much means that someone has to pay their own way or that someone has to go.  Just my take on the situation based on what I know.

Quote from: justducky on July 14, 2015, 04:13:37 PM

Quote from: ValpoHoops on July 14, 2015, 12:34:15 PMIt's not that simple. The NCAA has fairly strict rules about it, so schools can't simply abuse it to have more than the allowed number of scholarships.

There are certainly many qualifications that our players would have, but there are some that involve "official" visits, whether "athletic ability" had anything to do, etc.

It might be more trouble than its worth, if there's a player who could be moved off of scholarship and out of the program fairly easily.

This is something that I am glad is not simple. If it were simple the BIGS would figure out how to best exploit it towards controlling an even greater portion of the developed and developing talent pool. Vashil might be a perfect example of someone the BIGS might have recruited and stockpiled towards the goal of either getting 2 good years from him or encouraging him to transfer early (with Vashil that wouldn't have been an easy call).

Quote from: zvillehaze on July 14, 2015, 07:48:42 PM

Quote from: vu72 on July 14, 2015, 02:04:13 PM
I found this on Wikipedia (so it has to be true right?) Read the part about Doug McDermott, the exact situation we are facing:

Finally, in rare cases, an established scholarship player may become a walk-on in order to open up his or her scholarship for another player. Three such cases in men's college basketball have received notoriety in recent years:
In 2011–12, three Louisville scholarship players, most notably Kyle Kuric and Chris Smith, became walk-ons to bring the Cardinals' scholarship totals down to the NCAA limit of 13.[1]
In 2013–14, Creighton's Doug McDermott (the son of Creighton's head coach) became a walk-on after a teammate was granted a rare sixth year of eligibility by the NCAA, putting the Bluejays over the 13-scholarship limit.[2]
In 2014–15, Xavier starting center Matt Stainbrook, enrolled in the school's MBA program, gave up his scholarship for his younger brother Tim, who had been a walk-on at Xavier the year before, in order to save their family a five-figure amount in school expenses. This led him to become a driver for the on-demand car service Uber, which gained him significant notoriety during that season.[3]

This topic can be confusing, but the NCAA has closed some loopholes to prevent larger schools (SEC football programs) from recruiting players, then putting them on something other than an athletic scholarship (ie. academic aid or a scholarship funded by a rich alum for students standing over 6'5" and weighing at least 320 lbs.).  The NCAA uses the definition of "recruited athlete".  If a player attends a university as a "recruited athlete", then they count against the scholarship limit if the receive any financial aid (athletic or otherwise).

The examples that vu72 provides shows that athletes can go from scholarship to walk-on, but what he doesn't cover is that if they received academic or need-based aid, they would still count against the scholarship limit.  I'm familiar with the examples he refers to and here are the facts:
1.  Kyle Kuric attended Louisville with the understanding that his athletic scholarship could be taken away if it was needed for other players.  His father, an surgeon in Evansville, paid the cost of attendance when Kyle's scholarship was needed for another player.
2.  McDermott gave up his scholarship.  His father was making millions as the head coach and was able to cover his son's cost of attendance.
3.  For the Stainbrook's, they chose to pay for Matt's Grad school because it was less expensive than his younger brother's undergrad tuition.

From what I know, all of Valpo's 14 players (assuming Vashil returns) will be designated as "recruited athletes".  That pretty much means that someone has to pay their own way or that someone has to go.  Just my take on the situation based on what I know.

Thanks for those clarifications.  It adds much.

So does Valpo have Uber yet? I used it in Merrillville a couple months ago... So maybe Vashil can make this work...

Ok. Way, way back in the day the state of Indiana gave scholarships to achedemically qualified Indiana residents to go to Indiana colleges based on need.  That helped me finance my time at valpo. Has that program gone away or would that be something a Nick Davidson could qualify for?  It wouldn't be Valpo money but money available to any qualified Indiana resident.  Of course it wouldn't surprise me if that program died long ago.

Quote from: nkvu on July 14, 2015, 11:00:51 PMOk. Way, way back in the day the state of Indiana gave scholarships to achedemically qualified Indiana residents to go to Indiana colleges based on need.  That helped me finance my time at valpo. Has that program gone away or would that be something a Nick Davidson could qualify for?  It wouldn't be Valpo money but money available to any qualified Indiana resident.  Of course it wouldn't surprise me if that program died long ago.

I think you missed zville's point about any "recruited athlete" receiving scholarship funds then those funds are considered "athletic scholarships" no matter the source of the funds. Nick Davidson or any other member of the Valpo team is considered a "recruited athlete" and per the NCAA only 13 members of the men's basketball team can receive any scholarship funds be they athletic funds or other funds.

Quote from: zvillehaze on July 14, 2015, 07:48:42 PMThe NCAA uses the definition of "recruited athlete".  If a player attends a university as a "recruited athlete", then they count against the scholarship limit if the receive any financial aid (athletic or otherwise).

So the source of the aide doesn't matter. Even if it has nothing to do with the school?  If it comes from some other source entirely?

Quote from: a3uge on July 14, 2015, 10:25:36 PM
So does Valpo have Uber yet? I used it in Merrillville a couple months ago... So maybe Vashil can make this work...

https://www.uber.com/cities/nw-indiana (https://www.uber.com/cities/nw-indiana)

Uber-NW Indiana does include the city of Valparaiso. I have people I know who work in the Uber-Indianapolis system. They have told me that unless there are large numbers of Uber drivers in an area the cost gets prohibitive due to the distance a driver from another area (in the case of Valpo it most likely means dispatching a driver from Lake County) has to travel to the passenger for a pick up. Uber prices will go down as more and more drivers from Valpo are recruited.

Quote from: nkvu on July 14, 2015, 11:57:09 PM
So the source of the aide doesn't matter. Even if it has nothing to do with the school?  If it comes from some other source entirely?

If the student is considered a "recruited athlete" by the NCAA then the source of the funds doesn't matter at all. By declaring yourself a "recruited athlete" by accepting invitations from schools for the purpose of playing on their athletic team then you severely limit the kind of funds you can accept.

Quote from: zvillehaze on July 14, 2015, 07:48:42 PM
2.  McDermott gave up his scholarship.  His father was making millions as the head coach and was able to cover his son's cost of attendance.

Does this mean that VU could hire Vashil's wife as a consultant in the athletic department and pay her enough to cover the family's expenses and tuition?

Quote from: humbleopinion on July 15, 2015, 06:29:50 AM

Quote from: zvillehaze on July 14, 2015, 07:48:42 PM
2.  McDermott gave up his scholarship.  His father was making millions as the head coach and was able to cover his son's cost of attendance.

Does this mean that VU could hire Vashil's wife as a consultant in the athletic department and pay her enough to cover the family's expenses and tuition?

Just my opinion. I would think the athletic dept would have to prove to an NCAA investigator that Vashil's wife was providing legitimate services to the athletic department for which she was receiving the pay that covered the family's expenses and tuition. In the case of the McDermotts it was clearly evident that Greg McDermott actually was coaching the Creighton MBB team and was not just receiving pay for some fake consulting job.

Quote from: humbleopinion on July 15, 2015, 06:29:50 AMDoes this mean that VU could hire Vashil's wife as a consultant in the athletic department and pay her enough to cover the family's expenses and tuition?

If she can make some progress with our scheduling nightmare then we should hire her even if it fails to clear our scholarship logjam.  :thumbsup:  ;)

For what it's worth, I caught a glimpse of Vashil working out with others players at Hilltop this morning. 

If I had to guess, this will be taken care of easily. I say that one of the newcomers won't make it on campus and it won't be the one with the NBA pedigree.

Quote from: hoopfan22 on July 15, 2015, 07:09:37 PM
If I had to guess, this will be taken care of easily. I say that one of the newcomers won't make it on campus and it won't be the one with the NBA pedigree.

My thought is if it was that easy why hasn't the decision already been made. I think the reason it's taking so long is Bryce has to make a very unhappy decision about which person will not be back on the team.

My guess is either Relvao or Davidson. My guess would be Davidson, I could see him going to D II so he can get a lot more playing time.

Fortunately for the program and unfortunately for him there's simply too much talent to give him a good opportunity to prove himself.

Quote from: classof2014 on July 16, 2015, 09:34:27 AM
My guess is either Relvao or Davidson. My guess would be Davidson, I could see him going to D II so he can get a lot more playing time.

Fortunately for the program and unfortunately for him there's simply too much talent to give him a good opportunity to prove himself.

The Davidson situation is interesting.  He is a very valuable "glue" guy, well liked and very team oriented.  I agree that his playing time will be very limited going forward.  We've been told on previous occasions (maybe by chef??) that Nick is studying nursing and that may be a difficult major to find at some smaller D3 schools.  Valpo's Nursing program is also very highly regarded.  So could he simply decide that it is in his best interests to leave the team and focus on his studies?  If he isn't on the team could the University then be able to award scholarships, grants, loans etc based on need and academic performance? I certainly would think so.  I'm also thinking of the Cameron Witt situation where Valpo did continue to fund his school costs until he graduated.  Apparently those rules have changed however.  It would be a tough choice for him but sometimes it becomes clear that all the travel and time practicing is too much given the limited time on the court or future playing professionally.

I highly doubt Davidson is gone. The team has been working out and he's been there.  My money is on Relvao.

Speaking of Relvao: he is currently playing for the Portuguese Under-20 team in Europe. From what I hear, he has led his team to wins this week. Against Kosovo he had 16 pts, 16 rebs, and 6 blocks, and against Austria he had 20 pts, 14 rebs, 2 steals, and 8 blocks.

Quote from: valpopal on July 16, 2015, 02:50:31 PM
Speaking of Relvao: he is currently playing for the Portuguese Under-20 team in Europe. From what I hear, he has led his team to wins this week. Against Kosovo he had 16 pts, 16 rebs, and 6 blocks, and against Austria he had 20 pts, 14 rebs, 2 steals, and 8 blocks.

Those are ridiculous numbers. Don't lose this kid!

My opinion...and perhaps an unpopular one... 

The only ethical solution I see is that if Vashil wants to stay another year, he needs to pay his own way and pay full tuition if that is what the NCAA rules demand.  The coaches/school have made commitments to other players and we should honor those commitments.  Nobody should be forced to transfer or have their scholarship taken away before they even arrive on campus.  This is not just about next year, this is about building sustainable success.  Of course, this is based on the assumption that the impact of Revlao for 4 years will be greater than Vashil for 1 year.

Now... If somebody really wants to leave the program, that is a different story.   

Anybody know how much Vashil would have to pay for 1 year of grad school?   

Quote from: SanityLost17 on July 16, 2015, 03:30:21 PM
My opinion...and perhaps an unpopular one... 

The only ethical solution I see is that if Vashil wants to stay another year, he needs to pay his own way and pay full tuition if that is what the NCAA rules demand.  The coaches/school have made commitments to other players and we should honor those commitments.  Nobody should be forced to transfer or have their scholarship taken away before they even arrive on campus.  This is not just about next year, this is about building sustainable success.  Of course, this is based on the assumption that the impact of Revlao for 4 years will be greater than Vashil for 1 year.

Now... If somebody really wants to leave the program, that is a different story.   

Anybody know how much Vashil would have to pay for 1 year of grad school?   

I completely agree.

Yes, but on the flip side, the program made a commitment to Vashil before it made a commitment to anybody else on this roster.  Should this turn out to be the case, that he ends up getting the final year of eligibility, why do you punish Vashil and make him pay his own way for his fourth year of eligibility just because the NCAA made a decision and then reversed course later on?

Its competitive, Davidson should be the one to leave.  I understand he hasn't don't anything wrong is a good student athlete that represents Valpo.  However, he is not good enough and I would hate to see us lose the portugal kid. 

This needs to be done in an ethical manner and I have no doubt that Valpo will handle this ethically (as they always have in the past). Commitments are commitments and going back on a commitment made to an incoming player sends a bad message to future recruits. I would love to see Vashil back for another year, but if it means violating a commitment to any player (Davidson, Relvao, etc.), then I am against it. You never need to feel bad or try to 'spin' when you have done the right thing.

Obviously, if someone wanted to leave or if Vashil could pay his own way, then it would be great to have him back for another year.

Quote from: vusupporter on July 16, 2015, 03:36:17 PM
Yes, but on the flip side, the program made a commitment to Vashil before it made a commitment to anybody else on this roster.  Should this turn out to be the case, that he ends up getting the final year of eligibility, why do you punish Vashil and make him pay his own way for his fourth year of eligibility just because the NCAA made a decision and then reversed course later on?

I may be wrong but didn't we pay for Vashil while he was deemed ineligible?  He has already gotten both an undergrad and Master's.  If a student/athlete has to sit for transfer purposes he isn't paying his own way while sitting.  So, if I'm correct, we have honored our four year education agreement with Vashil.

As for the cost, Valpo's website say $615 per graduate credit (other then a MBA which he already has).  I remember speaking with Brandon Wood who told me he was taking something like 3 courses.  It isn't a very stiff requirement as they have already graduated and under grad graduation is what the NCAA is all about.

Probably you need 12 credits to be full-time, even as a grad student?  So, could be $14k.  Not chump change, by any means.  But, hopefully he'd make it back professionally?

Not, however, something that every 23 year old, or every family, can muster on short notice.

Quote from: agibson on July 16, 2015, 08:24:06 PM
Probably you need 12 credits to be full-time, even as a grad student?  So, could be $14k.  Not chump change, by any means.  But, hopefully he'd make it back professionally?

Not, however, something that every 23 year old, or every family, can muster on short notice.

The NCAA allows universities to determine the credit load for full-time status of graduate students. Valparaiso considers graduate students who enroll for 9 credits in a semester as full-time.

Quote from: hoopfan22 on July 16, 2015, 02:02:45 PM
I highly doubt Davidson is gone. The team has been working out and he's been there.  My money is on Relvao.

Quote from: valpopal on July 16, 2015, 02:50:31 PM
Speaking of Relvao: he is currently playing for the Portuguese Under-20 team in Europe. From what I hear, he has led his team to wins this week. Against Kosovo he had 16 pts, 16 rebs, and 6 blocks, and against Austria he had 20 pts, 14 rebs, 2 steals, and 8 blocks.

Park Relvao at on the Portuguese traveling team(not professional) for one more year, or at a prep school (Oak Hill Academy, LaLumiere, etc).  Then get him for four!

Quote from: covufan on July 17, 2015, 12:03:04 PM

Quote from: hoopfan22 on July 16, 2015, 02:02:45 PM
I highly doubt Davidson is gone. The team has been working out and he's been there.  My money is on Relvao.

Quote from: valpopal on July 16, 2015, 02:50:31 PM
Speaking of Relvao: he is currently playing for the Portuguese Under-20 team in Europe. From what I hear, he has led his team to wins this week. Against Kosovo he had 16 pts, 16 rebs, and 6 blocks, and against Austria he had 20 pts, 14 rebs, 2 steals, and 8 blocks.

Park Relvao at on the Portuguese traveling team(not professional) for one more year, or at a prep school (Oak Hill Academy, LaLumiere, etc).  Then get him for four!

Who's paying for his private schooling if he goes to LaLumiere or Oak Hill? Usually guys attend those schools so they improve their basketball skills so they can qualify for a scholarship. Relvao has already been promised a scholarship by Valpo. Valpo can't pay for that private school tuition. Why would Relvao pay his tuition when he already has a scholarship to Valpo.

Quote from: valpopal on July 16, 2015, 08:46:09 PM
The NCAA allows universities to determine the credit load for full-time status of graduate students. Valparaiso considers graduate students who enroll for 9 credits in a semester as full-time.

Interesting!  Cute little twist on early graduates, redshirts, etc.

Fwiw I saw a bunch of Valpo players at the dunes today, and Vashil was not there.

Quote from: a3uge on July 18, 2015, 08:26:51 PM
Fwiw I saw a bunch of Valpo players at the dunes today, and Vashil was not there.

But, his fingerprints were found on a beachball!!   :o

Quote from: a3uge on July 18, 2015, 08:26:51 PMFwiw I saw a bunch of Valpo players at the dunes today, and Vashil was not there.

I think he might have been mistaken for some driftwood.




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