With the latest signing of Gueye all of the players for next year are set in stone. There is still a lot of question on who will start and who will play where.
Here's my depth chart.
At the PG - Carter (once available), Dority (I think he's more of a 2), Williams
2 - Dority (after Carter is available), Coleman, Davidson
3 - Rossi, Peters, Yeo
4 - Capo, Chadwick, Adekoya
5 - Gueye, Fernandez
I think this will be a fun year to watch. Way more questions than last year, tons of new faces as well. Looking forward to October for the first pre-season game. Still a lot of questions surrounding this team and a ton of unknowns as well.
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Quote from: classof2014 on May 16, 2013, 11:46:08 AM
With the latest signing of Gueye all of the players for next year are set in stone. There is still a lot of question on who will start and who will play where.
Here's my depth chart.
At the PG - Carter (once available), Dority (I think he's more of a 2), Williams
2 - Dority (after Carter is available), Coleman, Davidson
3 - Rossi, Peters, Yeo
4 - Capo, Chadwick, Adekoya
5 - Gueye, Fernandez
I think this will be a fun year to watch. Way more questions than last year, tons of new faces as well. Looking forward to October for the first pre-season game. Still a lot of questions surrounding this team and a ton of unknowns as well.
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I think your chart looks pretty good. Interesting how, much like last year, you can go to the end of the bench and still find some very good players. The second point here is our experience. Many seem to think we will be very "young" but looking at the depth chart shows only the 3 with a freshman second on the depth chart and that kid is one of the highest ranked kids we've seen in quite some time. Learning to play together will of course take some time but with Dority, Capo, Coleman, Chadwick and others having played together (or practiced together) it may not take as long as we think!
Quote from: classof2014 on May 16, 2013, 11:46:08 AM
With the latest signing of Gueye all of the players for next year are set in stone. There is still a lot of question on who will start and who will play where.
Here's my depth chart.
At the PG - Carter (once available), Dority (I think he's more of a 2), Williams
2 - Dority (after Carter is available), Coleman, Davidson
3 - Rossi, Peters, Yeo
4 - Capo, Chadwick, Adekoya
5 - Gueye, Fernandez
I think this will be a fun year to watch. Way more questions than last year, tons of new faces as well. Looking forward to October for the first pre-season game. Still a lot of questions surrounding this team and a ton of unknowns as well.
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As I said in another thread, Rossi is the biggest question mark. I don't think we can plug him into the starting line up. We aren't sure of his status at all. Will he be healthy and able to play as a starter? Will he be limited? Will he be another Kurth situation? Will he decide he can't play and be replaced by another transfer? Nobody has seen Rossi play since the earliest games at the end of 2012. Even in post-season on campus, I have seen all the other players work out or play ball in open gym, but I haven't seen Rossi.
Quote from: valpopal on May 16, 2013, 12:02:45 PMI have seen all the other players work out or play ball in open gym, but I haven't seen Rossi.
You said that in the other thread, and it made me a sad panda. That is probably the biggest remaining question now that the last scholarship is filled.
Burning questions after Rossi (I would add "can he get an injury redshirt for last year pretty please?"):
#2: Is Chadwick really good or will he be the Human Victory Cigar? Has there been any practice chatter or has anyone seen any formal or informal basketball type activities?
#3: Can Carter get first-semester eligible? He mentioned that, but was it more than just a hope? Further, he talked about getting an injury redshirt for his SLU time initially--wonder what's happened with that? Thus,
--best-case scenario: 8 semesters of the Mr. Basketball runnerup
--still pretty good: 7 semesters (missing the first semester)
--worst-case scenario: 5 semesters (still better than nuthin')
#4 Can we get any of the freshmen a redshirt? Also a nickname? (Seriously, you can't tell me bbtds et al. can't come up with
le mot juste for these kids.) Obviously maybe no one will want one, but I would be all for it--extra year of school to spread out credits, get a year up on everyone.
I always bang the redshirt drum because it's a great advantage--it's not trading freshman year 2013-14 for redshirt freshman year 2014-15--
it's trading a 2013-14 freshman for a 2017-18 5th year senior. Trade: accepted.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on May 16, 2013, 12:45:32 PM#4 Can we get any of the freshmen a redshirt? Also a nickname? (Seriously, you can't tell me bbtds et al. can't come up with le mot juste for these kids.) Obviously maybe no one will want one, but I would be all for it--extra year of school to spread out credits, get a year up on everyone.
I always bang the redshirt drum because it's a great advantage--it's not trading freshman year 2013-14 for redshirt freshman year 2014-15--it's trading a 2013-14 freshman for a 2017-18 5th year senior. Trade: accepted.
Was just about to start a thread on whether or not a freshman (or two) should redshirt. I'm sure the coaching staff will be thinking of the same thing come October and the first several weeks of practice.
Depending on which freshman are ready to play, this could be a year with 10-11 players getting significant playing time. Only Broekhoff averaged more than 30 minutes a game, with Kenney, Buggs and Bogan averaging more than 25 minutes. I'm sure there will be game decisions, not necessarily foul related, where a player will get 28-30 minutes, and later that week only 17-19 minutes.
It will be interesting and fun to watch this team develop this next year, and hopefully with a defensive big man it could lead to some postseason success.
I think Williams or Davidson may be candidates for a possible redshirt. Personally, I think it's good for a PG to sit out a season and watch and take notes. I think it helps them in the end. Buggs had to, Dority did, and so did Carter. I think it helps them learn the offense and know what's going on around them and become better defenders. We saw Buggs this year and he was the best player on the team come late season and I think a lot of that leadership came from being a 5th year senior.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on May 16, 2013, 12:45:32 PM#4 Can we get any of the freshmen a redshirt? Also a nickname? (Seriously, you can't tell me bbtds et al. can't come up with le mot juste for these kids.)
Peters should be the East Peoria Earthmover (Caterpillar) or the Washington Wizard. Since the production of whiskey was big in Peoria at one time maybe Peters should be the Tazewell (Washington's County) Masher (what whiskey is made out of) or the Tazewell Tomahawk or Tazewll Teaser (if things don't work out--just kidding) or Tazewell Tazz (pronounced with a short
a as in apple).
Yeo---Rocky's girlfriend/wife, Adrian. "Yo, Adrian"
Adekoya----Coy?
Davidson----Regioniner--some will get this
Williams---Smith, what is more generic than Williams
When I think about next year's team, I have to remind myself of the following reality. Adekoya, Carter, Chadwick, Davidson, Gueye, Peters, Williams, and Yeo have not played a single minute yet. Rossi hardly played at all last year. Dority only played the second semester. Bobby missed or was hampered a significant amount of last season due to his surgery. Coleman and Fernandez were the only ones available the whole season, but they spent most of their time on the bench and neither started a game.
Therefore, there is no way to accurately predict what will happen next season. It will be a surprise and an adventure, and it should be entertaining with an outcome anticipated in the way of any mystery. I look forward to the beginning of the season much more than I normally would in any typical "rebuilding" year.
In addition, I like to examine the comparisons of new players entering the league for all the teams. Nobody can know who will blossom into a star or excel beyond expectations. (Did we all know for sure that Rowdy and Kevin would be as productive and influential when we first heard their names mentioned as recruits? Many were counting on Jay Harris as the future star.) Still, when I look at all the Horizon League newcomers for next year mentioned at the following link, I like very much the potential of our guys:
http://www.horizonleague.org/blog/mens-basketball-signing-central.html (http://www.horizonleague.org/blog/mens-basketball-signing-central.html)
The transition to the 2013-2014 season officially begins. Yesterday we watched the seniors accept their diplomas, and today already starts a shift to the new season. Those at Valpo can look for "Moose" Gueye to be around campus this afternoon as summer classes get under way tomorrow.
I happened to be on campus today and spotted Alec Peters at the ARC. Nice to see some of the players are on campus, especially freshmen, for the second summer session beginning Monday and to know they will have the opportunity to play together daily as they become more familiar with one another's game.
Based on Twitter, Alec and Clay are rooming together.
Quote from: valpo84 on July 01, 2013, 10:17:39 AM
Based on Twitter, Alec and Clay are rooming together.
I think Nick Davidson may be rooming with them as well.
Quote from: valpopal on July 01, 2013, 12:25:34 PMI think Nick Davidson may be rooming with them as well.
where is there room for all that? :)
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on July 01, 2013, 02:02:14 PM
Quote from: valpopal on July 01, 2013, 12:25:34 PMI think Nick Davidson may be rooming with them as well.
where is there room for all that? :)
Both Uptown East apartments and University Promenade lofts have 2-BR units. I believe both are now considered part of approved university housing. I'm sure 2 guys could share the bigger BR.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on July 01, 2013, 02:02:14 PM
Quote from: valpopal on July 01, 2013, 12:25:34 PMI think Nick Davidson may be rooming with them as well.
where is there room for all that? :)
Many years ago Wehrenberg had three man suites on each floor.
Quote from: wh on July 01, 2013, 03:26:04 PMBoth Uptown East apartments and University Promenade lofts have 2-BR units. I believe both are now considered part of approved university housing. I'm sure 2 guys could share the bigger BR.
Wow, so freshman can now live off-campus?
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on July 01, 2013, 06:50:31 PM
Quote from: wh on July 01, 2013, 03:26:04 PMBoth Uptown East apartments and University Promenade lofts have 2-BR units. I believe both are now considered part of approved university housing. I'm sure 2 guys could share the bigger BR.
Wow, so freshman can now live off-campus?
All first-year, sophomore, and junior students are required to live in approved University housing.[/b]
http://www.valpo.edu/reslife/halls/index.php (http://www.valpo.edu/reslife/halls/index.php)
Note that Uptown East is listed under residence halls. University Promenade was originally built for the general public, but I heard the university recently entered into an agreement with the Promenade owners to make the units available exclusively to VU students to support the growth in enrollment. The Promenade website says as much:
http://www.universitypromenade.com/our-residences/floor-plans (http://www.universitypromenade.com/our-residences/floor-plans)
Gotta love the enthusiasm and excitement from what many would say is Valpo's top rated freshman this coming 2013-14 season. He is on campus for I presume the second summer school session, as are many of the players. After yesterday's 7/1/13 first real team workout, he posted the following on twitter.
Alec Peters@petersalec "First team workout was da bomb". ;D
Quote from: vufan75 on July 02, 2013, 06:55:19 AM
Gotta love the enthusiasm and excitement from what many would say is Valpo's top rated freshman this coming 2013-14 season. He is on campus for I presume the second summer school session, as are many of the players. After yesterday's 7/1/13 first real team workout, he posted the following on twitter.
Alec Peters@petersalec "First team workout was da bomb". ;D
And a tweet from Peoria Irish coach Gavin Sullivan last Saturday:
Gavin Sullivan @PeoriaIrish 29 Jun
Last workout with my guy @petersalec. Valpo tomorrow: he has put in alot of work, game continues to expand!
Quote from: wh on July 02, 2013, 08:47:31 AMhe has put in alot of work
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Note that Uptown East is listed under residence halls. University Promenade was originally built for the general public, but I heard the university recently entered into an agreement with the Promenade owners to make the units available exclusively to VU students to support the growth in enrollment. The Promenade website says as much:...
Promenade East is the current home of the "Go Teach" group from Ecuador. Promenade West, when opened in a few months, will be home to a similar group from China. These are non-traditional students... and those are certainly non-traditional Housing Units. They are NOT University Housing under the auspices of Residential Life.
Quote from: talksalot on July 02, 2013, 08:50:13 PMPromenade East is the current home of the "Go Teach" group from Ecuador. Promenade West, when opened in a few months, will be home to a similar group from China.
should have put Ecuador in the West and China in the East...sigh
Quality abounds on this coaching staff:
Roger Powell Jr @RogerPowellJr 3h
Happy 4th of July!! Thank God for our independence as a nation. But most importantly for our Freedom in Christ.
Valparaiso freshmen learning quick during summer workouts
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/valparaiso-freshmen-learning-quick-during-summer-workouts/article_d824807a-95bb-57f0-8d27-d7bc1fe80460.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/valparaiso-freshmen-learning-quick-during-summer-workouts/article_d824807a-95bb-57f0-8d27-d7bc1fe80460.html)
Verbal Commits reports that Alex Rossi has officially left the team for personal reasons. I think we all knew this was coming, and I wish Alex the best, but I also wish we could have gotten to see him play healthy and at 100%. He had a tremendous looking shot.
Is he staying at Valpo to graduate, or does it not say?
Hope he stays at valpo as part of the team in some way...
Despite the loss of so many experienced players, Dority offers that he informed the new players the team goal is to repeat as champions:
Inside Valpo Athletics: LaVonte Dority 8|1|13 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Shv2F8KVHPg#ws)
Since it is now August, I was looking closely at the academic calendar to plan ahead and noticed a change that could influence timing in the basketball schedule. Classes for the fall semester begin a week later this year on Aug. 27. Last year they began Aug. 21. As a result, the last final exam does not occur until Dec. 20. Last year the last final exam was Dec. 14. and Dority played that night if I remember correctly. This means Carter won't be eligible to play until the night of the 20th.
Valpo never schedules games during final exam week, but the extra week of fall semester could lead to Carter missing an additional game or two, depending upon the schedule of December games. By the way, this also means the students' winter break will be one week shorter this year. Last year it was Dec. 14-Jan. 9; this year, Dec. 20-Jan. 8.
Pal is correct that Carter will miss more games than Dority. One reason is without the bracketbuster, teams will play an extra non-conference game early in the year as opposed to late in the year. Dority missed the first 9 games last season. Although the schedule is not official yet, it's likely Carter will have to sit out either 11 or 12 games to start this season.
Why do they have one less week for winter break? Added somewhere else?
Quote from: valpotx on August 04, 2013, 01:36:40 AM
Why do they have one less week for winter break? Added somewhere else?
Fall semester starts a week later and ends a week later than in the past, while spring semester starts the same time.
The roster has been released: http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/roster/ (http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/roster/)
This is the first time anywhere I have seen Yeo listed at 6-4.
Pretty confident that we'll have the biggest player in the HL next season.
Moussa Gueye 7' 270 lbs. He's gonna be a monster. Has almost 50 lbs on Alec Brown who is of the same height.
Valparaiso Men's Basketball Roster Revealed
August 04, 2013 8:09 pm • By Paul Oren pgmado@gmail.com
http://www.nwitimes.com/blogs/sports/valparaiso-university/valparaiso-men-s-basketball-roster-revealed/article_c2b55c10-fd6b-11e2-b057-0019bb2963f4.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/blogs/sports/valparaiso-university/valparaiso-men-s-basketball-roster-revealed/article_c2b55c10-fd6b-11e2-b057-0019bb2963f4.html)
Besides the 1945 team, is this our tallest team?
I have to think that our 2001-2002 or 2002-2003 teams were the tallest. The 1945 team was not necessarily our tallest, as they were only known as such due to the time period not having as many tall people on teams.
I think this year's team might even be a little bigger....those teams has Antti 6'11, Raitis 6'10, Wille 6'9 and Kikas 6'8. This year - Moussa 7'0, Bobby and Vashil 6'10, Chadwick 6'9, Peters 6'8.
Quote from: valpotx on August 08, 2013, 03:22:42 PM
I have to think that our 2001-2002 or 2002-2003 teams were the tallest. The 1945 team was not necessarily our tallest, as they were only known as such due to the time period not having as many tall people on teams.
I believe that there were 8 guys that were 6'8" or taller on that 1945 team...
Quote from: cornonthe on August 10, 2013, 10:27:56 PM
I believe that there were 8 guys that were 6'8" or taller on that 1945 team...
Setshot should be able to verify this. I remember he once said that when he was growing up he saw the 1945 team play at Madison Square Garden.
Quote from: cornonthe on August 10, 2013, 10:27:56 PMI believe that there were 8 guys that were 6'8" or taller on that 1945 team...
Actually there was a 6'10" center, two players at 6'8" and the rest were 6'5" or under. 6'5" was probably the average height for a center in that era. There was a Texas team, can't remember their name off the top of my head, that disputed the claim that Valpo was taller than their team.
Quote from: chef on August 08, 2013, 10:19:37 PM
I think this year's team might even be a little bigger....those teams has Antti 6'11, Raitis 6'10, Wille 6'9 and Kikas 6'8. This year - Moussa 7'0, Bobby and Vashil 6'10, Chadwick 6'9, Peters 6'8.
Given a recent NCAA rule change, I think our team height will be an especially big advantage this year.
Under the revised block/charge call in men's basketball, a defensive player is not permitted to move into the path of an offensive player once he has started his upward motion with the ball to attempt a field goal or pass. If the defensive player is not in legal guarding position by this time, it is a blocking foul.This rule is intended to "open up" the game and raise scoring, which has suffered a steady decline in recent years. In essence, instead of defensive players moving over to take a charge, they are going to have to try to tip or block a shot once it goes up. Thus, the advantage goes to teams with more shot blocking ability. On the other end, once a speedy, clever ball handler like Keith Carter beats his man on a dribble drive to the hoop, he should have a field day against the softer non-shot blocking "bigs" in the Horizon League. Athletic bigs are going to be a premium.
http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2013-06-24/ncaa-playing-rules-oversight-panel-approves-changes-foul-call (http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2013-06-24/ncaa-playing-rules-oversight-panel-approves-changes-foul-call)
Good! I always hated the charge rule where you can be in the air, and someone just slides on over to take the charge mid-flight.
Quote from: valpotx on August 12, 2013, 05:38:54 PM
Good! I always hated the charge rule where you can be in the air, and someone just slides on over to take the charge mid-flight.
Actually, under the new rule the defensive player has to be in position before the offensive player
has started his upward motion with the ball. "Upward motion" includes the step the offensive player is allowed to take before he leaves his feet. This should all but eliminate charging fouls around the basket when the offensive player begins to go up for a layup or kicks out for a 3-pt shot. Coaches are going to have to completely re-teach this aspect of team defense.
By the way, I share your dislike for all the sliding. I especially dislike seeing some 6-9 guy slide over to take a charge against a 6 foot guard and then collapse upon contact. It's such a "women's game" thing to do. Man up and try to block the shot or get out of the way.
Quote from: wh on August 12, 2013, 06:55:16 PMActually, under the new rule the defensive player has to be in position before the offensive player has started his upward motion with the ball. "Upward motion" includes the step the offensive player is allowed to take before he leaves his feet. This should all but eliminate charging fouls around the basket when the offensive player begins to go up for a layup or kicks out for a 3-pt shot. Coaches are going to have to completely re-teach this aspect of team defense. By the way, I share your dislike for all the sliding. I especially dislike seeing some 6-9 guy slide over to take a charge against a 6 foot guard and then collapse upon contact. It's such a "women's game" thing to do. Man up and try to block the shot or get out of the way.
I am willing to reserve judgment but since this rule would seem to favor the bigger and quicker team over the smaller and slower one, then it may have been promoted by the upper major teams towards further distancing themselves from the lower majors and all of the mid majors. I would expect to see a little to a lot more zone next year along with an even greater reliance on the 3 point shot. I do not see in any way where this will help level the playing field.
Keith Carter looks forward to the new season:
Inside Valpo Athletics: Keith Carter 8|29|13 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asrI3Eu3710#)
On the Horizon League Fans Forum there is a report that Sporting News has its Horizon League predictions out:
1. Wright St.
2. Cleveland St.
3. Youngstown St.
4. Green Bay
5. Valpo
6. Oakland
7. UIC
8. Detroit
9. Milwaukee
I think Green Bay and Oakland could be higher than predicted. As for Valpo, I believe there are so many unknowns that the fifth-place middle position seems safest to predict for a team that is one big question mark.
However, it will be fun to observe the team this season with no expectations and no pressure on them, and I'm optimistically hoping for a surprising performance by the new players in what is truly a rebuilding (or restocking) year.
By the time we start conference play there will be nobody as good as Valpo. We always seem to discount new guys saying..."they haven't played in a long time and weren't any good then... or " these guys need time to play together and..." or some such concern.
These comments discount the coaching staff.
We have as much talent and experience as anyone...fifth year senior Capobianco, Fifth year senior in Moussa Gueye, fifth year senior Lavonte Dority, guys with maturity like Coleman and Chadwick not to mention our best recruiting class in years.
I'm not worried in the least and things like this poll will only motivate.
I do think that we will finish much higher than 5th. I understand not giving us the number one slot, but with the experience coming back I do believe we will once again be among the top 3 in the HL when all is said and done.
I think that it is safe to say that we will always be among the top 3 in men's basketball with Bryce at the helm...
Quote from: vu72 on September 01, 2013, 08:47:41 PM
By the time we start conference play there will be nobody as good as Valpo.
We have as much talent and experience as anyone...fifth year senior Capobianco, Fifth year senior in Moussa Gueye, fifth year senior Lavonte Dority, guys with maturity like Coleman and Chadwick not to mention our best recruiting class in years.
I'm not worried in the least and things like this poll will only motivate.
Quote from: valpotx on September 02, 2013, 02:32:49 AM
I think that it is safe to say that we will always be among the top 3 in men's basketball with Bryce at the helm...
Good points made here. Coach Drew seems to have a knack of bringing in multiple transfers so there's always experienced players on the roster. Capobianco and Dority have already proven themselves at Valpo. Gueye was a starter in the SEC, and along with Chadwick and Fernandez, gives Valpo size that will be unmatched in the Horizon. Add Carter in December and you've got high-major talent at every position. Agree that this team shouldn't finish outside the top 3.
With that said, don't expect national media people to see all the potential of these guys. Here's another national guy predicting Valpo middle of the pack ... just more bulletin board material. http://nycbuckets.com/2013/09/three-bold-horizon-league-predictions/ (http://nycbuckets.com/2013/09/three-bold-horizon-league-predictions/)
Quote from: EddieCabot on September 03, 2013, 08:33:00 AM
Quote from: vu72 on September 01, 2013, 08:47:41 PM
By the time we start conference play there will be nobody as good as Valpo.
We have as much talent and experience as anyone...fifth year senior Capobianco, Fifth year senior in Moussa Gueye, fifth year senior Lavonte Dority, guys with maturity like Coleman and Chadwick not to mention our best recruiting class in years.
I'm not worried in the least and things like this poll will only motivate.
Quote from: valpotx on September 02, 2013, 02:32:49 AM
I think that it is safe to say that we will always be among the top 3 in men's basketball with Bryce at the helm...
Good points made here. Coach Drew seems to have a knack of bringing in multiple transfers so there's always experienced players on the roster. Capobianco and Dority have already proven themselves at Valpo. Gueye was a starter in the SEC, and along with Chadwick and Fernandez, gives Valpo size that will be unmatched in the Horizon. Add Carter in December and you've got high-major talent at every position. Agree that this team shouldn't finish outside the top 3.
With that said, don't expect national media people to see all the potential of these guys. Here's another national guy predicting Valpo middle of the pack ... just more bulletin board material. http://nycbuckets.com/2013/09/three-bold-horizon-league-predictions/ (http://nycbuckets.com/2013/09/three-bold-horizon-league-predictions/)
On both lists I initially thought Cleveland State and YSU were rated a bit high, but then I remembered that the entire league is kind of even this year. Valpo and Detroit are both down and the league is wide open. YSU has maybe the best player in the league, and is a team that destroyed Valpo last year, but are graduating Eargle/Blake Allen and are left with a weak bench. Hain and Belin as the big men are going to lead YSU to a .500 season at best. Cleveland State finished 5-11 conference last year. I don't see how they're the third best team in the conference. Maybe Gary Waters is expecting luck to swing his way when CSU isn't guarding anyone on the perimeter.
The second rated team is going through an offseason scandal with their incompetent coach. Off field/court problems always seem to gravitate to on-court problems. Alec Brown had an awful year last year and went from an NBA draft shoe-in to a guy who can't control his gumby arms.
As for the other teams: Oakland isn't all that frightening, but they'll outplay their talent like Valpo did when they joined the HL.
I still see Valpo in a rebuilding year and expect them to go a game or two over 500. I think Bobby will have a good year, but he lacks the knack for finishing up on offense that KVW had. I'm more worried about PG. While it's nice to have a PG that can shoot semi-accurately from 10ft out, Buggs defense isn't going to be replaced this year. Dority was a complete liability last year when Buggs fouled out. Maybe Keith Carter is the answer, but him running the offense with no OOC development worries me. Everyone else on the roster is a complete unknown, or are going to have to prove they are better than what they showed last year. I see Valpo going a game over .500.
Quote from: a3uge on September 03, 2013, 10:13:07 AM
Quote from: EddieCabot on September 03, 2013, 08:33:00 AM
Quote from: vu72 on September 01, 2013, 08:47:41 PM
By the time we start conference play there will be nobody as good as Valpo.
We have as much talent and experience as anyone...fifth year senior Capobianco, Fifth year senior in Moussa Gueye, fifth year senior Lavonte Dority, guys with maturity like Coleman and Chadwick not to mention our best recruiting class in years.
I'm not worried in the least and things like this poll will only motivate.
Quote from: valpotx on September 02, 2013, 02:32:49 AM
I think that it is safe to say that we will always be among the top 3 in men's basketball with Bryce at the helm...
Good points made here. Coach Drew seems to have a knack of bringing in multiple transfers so there's always experienced players on the roster. Capobianco and Dority have already proven themselves at Valpo. Gueye was a starter in the SEC, and along with Chadwick and Fernandez, gives Valpo size that will be unmatched in the Horizon. Add Carter in December and you've got high-major talent at every position. Agree that this team shouldn't finish outside the top 3.
With that said, don't expect national media people to see all the potential of these guys. Here's another national guy predicting Valpo middle of the pack ... just more bulletin board material. http://nycbuckets.com/2013/09/three-bold-horizon-league-predictions/ (http://nycbuckets.com/2013/09/three-bold-horizon-league-predictions/)
On both lists I initially thought Cleveland State and YSU were rated a bit high, but then I remembered that the entire league is kind of even this year. Valpo and Detroit are both down and the league is wide open. YSU has maybe the best player in the league, and is a team that destroyed Valpo last year, but are graduating Eargle/Blake Allen and are left with a weak bench. Hain and Belin as the big men are going to lead YSU to a .500 season at best. Cleveland State finished 5-11 conference last year. I don't see how they're the third best team in the conference. Maybe Gary Waters is expecting luck to swing his way when CSU isn't guarding anyone on the perimeter.
The second rated team is going through an offseason scandal with their incompetent coach. Off field/court problems always seem to gravitate to on-court problems. Alec Brown had an awful year last year and went from an NBA draft shoe-in to a guy who can't control his gumby arms.
As for the other teams: Oakland isn't all that frightening, but they'll outplay their talent like Valpo did when they joined the HL.
I still see Valpo in a rebuilding year and expect them to go a game or two over 500. I think Bobby will have a good year, but he lacks the knack for finishing up on offense that KVW had. I'm more worried about PG. While it's nice to have a PG that can shoot semi-accurately from 10ft out, Buggs defense isn't going to be replaced this year. Dority was a complete liability last year when Buggs fouled out. Maybe Keith Carter is the answer, but him running the offense with no OOC development worries me. Everyone else on the roster is a complete unknown, or are going to have to prove they are better than what they showed last year. I see Valpo going a game over .500.
If Valpo is in a rebuilding year, when do you expect the building to be complete. After this year we will be relying on Fernandez in the middle and will be much smaller as we lose a 7' and 6'10 guy and add Nickerson, who won't make you impressed because he hasn't done anything in a Valpo uniform. We will have a bunch of sophomores and freshman and rely on Chadwick, Nickerson and Fernandez for size. If we don't make a run for the title this year it might be a couple more to get the freshman to junior level. As for defense at the point, expect Lexus Williams to more of the Buggs type. A little taller than Erik and very quick. I expect Carter to be the answer, we'll see...
Quote from: vu72 on September 03, 2013, 10:41:34 AM
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Quote from: EddieCabot on September 03, 2013, 08:33:00 AM
Quote from: vu72 on September 01, 2013, 08:47:41 PM
By the time we start conference play there will be nobody as good as Valpo.
We have as much talent and experience as anyone...fifth year senior Capobianco, Fifth year senior in Moussa Gueye, fifth year senior Lavonte Dority, guys with maturity like Coleman and Chadwick not to mention our best recruiting class in years.
I'm not worried in the least and things like this poll will only motivate.
Quote from: valpotx on September 02, 2013, 02:32:49 AM
I think that it is safe to say that we will always be among the top 3 in men's basketball with Bryce at the helm...
Good points made here. Coach Drew seems to have a knack of bringing in multiple transfers so there's always experienced players on the roster. Capobianco and Dority have already proven themselves at Valpo. Gueye was a starter in the SEC, and along with Chadwick and Fernandez, gives Valpo size that will be unmatched in the Horizon. Add Carter in December and you've got high-major talent at every position. Agree that this team shouldn't finish outside the top 3.
With that said, don't expect national media people to see all the potential of these guys. Here's another national guy predicting Valpo middle of the pack ... just more bulletin board material. http://nycbuckets.com/2013/09/three-bold-horizon-league-predictions/ (http://nycbuckets.com/2013/09/three-bold-horizon-league-predictions/)
On both lists I initially thought Cleveland State and YSU were rated a bit high, but then I remembered that the entire league is kind of even this year. Valpo and Detroit are both down and the league is wide open. YSU has maybe the best player in the league, and is a team that destroyed Valpo last year, but are graduating Eargle/Blake Allen and are left with a weak bench. Hain and Belin as the big men are going to lead YSU to a .500 season at best. Cleveland State finished 5-11 conference last year. I don't see how they're the third best team in the conference. Maybe Gary Waters is expecting luck to swing his way when CSU isn't guarding anyone on the perimeter.
The second rated team is going through an offseason scandal with their incompetent coach. Off field/court problems always seem to gravitate to on-court problems. Alec Brown had an awful year last year and went from an NBA draft shoe-in to a guy who can't control his gumby arms.
As for the other teams: Oakland isn't all that frightening, but they'll outplay their talent like Valpo did when they joined the HL.
I still see Valpo in a rebuilding year and expect them to go a game or two over 500. I think Bobby will have a good year, but he lacks the knack for finishing up on offense that KVW had. I'm more worried about PG. While it's nice to have a PG that can shoot semi-accurately from 10ft out, Buggs defense isn't going to be replaced this year. Dority was a complete liability last year when Buggs fouled out. Maybe Keith Carter is the answer, but him running the offense with no OOC development worries me. Everyone else on the roster is a complete unknown, or are going to have to prove they are better than what they showed last year. I see Valpo going a game over .500.
If Valpo is in a rebuilding year, when do you expect the building to be complete. After this year we will be relying on Fernandez in the middle and will be much smaller as we lose a 7' and 6'10 guy and add Nickerson, who won't make you impressed because he hasn't done anything in a Valpo uniform. We will have a bunch of sophomores and freshman and rely on Chadwick, Nickerson and Fernandez for size. If we don't make a run for the title this year it might be a couple more to get the freshman to junior level. As for defense at the point, expect Lexus Williams to more of the Buggs type. A little taller than Erik and very quick. I expect Carter to be the answer, we'll see...
I wouldn't be surprised if Bryce went after some transfers or JUCOs for big guys next year.
Generally I'm not doom and gloom guy, and I believe I'm being realistic here. I'm agreeing with these preseason ratings that place Valpo in the middle of the pack. It's just difficult to replace that many minutes from a team that finished with Valpos beat RPI ever and expect to be at the top of the HL the next year.
We definitely do have a shot for the HL title this year - every team but Milwaukee does. Maybe not Detroit. If we do win the Horizon, we would most likely be a low seed - have to imagine we'll struggle out of the gates with a team full of freshmen and guys that haven't played much together. Who knows, maybe these new guys are outstanding, but remember KVW, Buggs, and Broekhoff early on were a part of the worst Valpo team in a decade.
Hell, Pitino won a national championship at KY. with a team made up of several freshmen players. So with VU's talented freshmen class,its overall height and returning veterans we should at least win the Horizon. If we don't,change coaches. :twocents:
CORRECTION: It was coach Cal.at KY. not RP.
Personally I don't see Valpo having a down year. We are bringing back some experienced players in, Coleman, Capo, and Dority as well as two guys who have been under Drew's system for a year in Chadwick and Carter. I do believe that we will have some issues in the beginning part of the season just due to the number of freshman and new faces. I do believe having a 7' and 270 lbs big man will by far be the biggest player in the HL and not to mention he was a regular in the SEC which is saying something. He wasn't much of a scorer but a great defender and I think he'll lead the HL in rebounding and blocks and just by his shear size in a guard oriented league it will work wonders for us defensively. Let us not forget there were many games where not having a defensive force down low did hurt us, drastically.
I would imagine guys like Dority, Capo, and Coleman will come into their senior year improved. For Dority I imagined he will be a better defender, probably not EB quality but not like he was last year, and I'm sure Capo will be a better finisher as well. I would think Coleman might be a bit of a surprise performer this season. I think his athleticism alone will allow to do things many other players can't.
I think missing Carter for the first few games will hurt us cause I think he might become the best player on the team once eligible.
And like many have mentioned before let us not forget we do have one of the top young coaches in the NCAA in Bryce Drew. Just by his coaching alone, he'll win us a few games.
Quote from: a3uge on September 03, 2013, 10:13:07 AMThe second rated team is going through an offseason scandal with their incompetent coach. Off field/court problems always seem to gravitate to on-court problems. Alec Brown had an awful year last year and went from an NBA draft shoe-in to a guy who can't control his gumby arms.
I admit to not researching much, but I think GB could easily win the league this year. They return 4 of their top 5 scorers and rebounders from last season's 10-6 team that
nearly beat Valpo at the ARC in the HL tourney. 6'8" Eastern Illinois transfer Alfonzo McKinnie played really well on their Bahamas trip and could easily replace Cougill's production off the bench. Sykes is possibly the most explosive player in the league and Brown is still the league's best NBA prospect.
As for the off-court issues, I look at it a little differently. Immediately after the news broke, Brown and Sykes came out in support of Wardell, and any players who had any issues left the program. Adversity like that can either separate a team or can make it stronger. With Brown and Sykes providing the vocal leadership and with the benefit of a pre-season trip, I expect them to be more cohesive this year than last year (when they obviously had chemistry issues). Just my :twocents: .
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Quote from: a3uge on September 03, 2013, 10:13:07 AMThe second rated team is going through an offseason scandal with their incompetent coach. Off field/court problems always seem to gravitate to on-court problems. Alec Brown had an awful year last year and went from an NBA draft shoe-in to a guy who can't control his gumby arms.
I admit to not researching much, but I think GB could easily win the league this year. They return 4 of their top 5 scorers and rebounders from last season's 10-6 team that nearly beat Valpo at the ARC in the HL tourney. 6'8" Eastern Illinois transfer Alfonzo McKinnie played really well on their Bahamas trip and could easily replace Cougill's production off the bench. Sykes is possibly the most explosive player in the league and Brown is still the league's best NBA prospect.
As for the off-court issues, I look at it a little differently. Immediately after the news broke, Brown and Sykes came out in support of Wardell, and any players who had any issues left the program. Adversity like that can either separate a team or can make it stronger. With Brown and Sykes providing the vocal leadership and with the benefit of a pre-season trip, I expect them to be more cohesive this year than last year (when they obviously had chemistry issues). Just my :twocent Quote
I totally agree with your accessment of Green Bay.
Valpo will compete with GB all the way to the Horizon League tourney final game. And if Valpo doesn't find a way to stop their offense it will be Wright St playing the Phoenix in the championship game.
Holy Cow! How would you like to walk onto the court and see that you're facing this guy(eye)!!!! Can't wait!
http://valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2013-14/12881/moussa-gueye-joins-inside-valpo-athletics/ (http://valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2013-14/12881/moussa-gueye-joins-inside-valpo-athletics/)
Whoa!
Quote from: vu72 on September 05, 2013, 06:54:58 PMHoly Cow! How would you like to walk onto the court and see that you're facing this guy(eye)!!!! Can't wait!
http://valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2013-14/12881/moussa-gueye-joins-inside-valpo-athletics/ (http://valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2013-14/12881/moussa-gueye-joins-inside-valpo-athletics/)
To have someone that is that big and that ugly standing in the lane should be a beautiful thing. :)
Quote from: bbtds on September 03, 2013, 07:21:11 PMQuote (selected)I totally agree with your accessment of Green Bay. Valpo will compete with GB all the way to the Horizon League tourney final game. And if Valpo doesn't find a way to stop their offense it will be Wright St playing the Phoenix in the championship game.
I just took a peek at WSU and see why they're showing up at the top of most lists. They return their top 9 players from a pretty good team and add Chrishawn Hopkins. If they had a weakness last year, it was offensive firepower. If Hopkins buys into Donlon's system on the defensive end, he can certainly provide them some much needed scoring.
Someone on the WSU board posted the Lindy's Horizon League preview ... here's a copy and paste of the post:
Lindy's Sports' HL preview:
1. Wright State
2. Green Bay
3. Cleveland State
4. Oakland
5. Youngstown State
6. UIC
7. Valparaiso
8. Detroit
9. Milwaukee
First team
Kendrick Perry, YSU
Chrishawn Hopkins, Wright State
Charlie Lee, Cleveland State
Keifer Sykes, Green Bay
Alec Brown, Green Bay
Second team
Jason Calliste, Detroit
Kelsey Barlow, UIC
Travis Bader, Oakland
Cole Darling, Wright State
Bryn Forbes, Cleveland State
Player of the Year: Kendrick Perry
Newcomer of the Year: Kelsey Barlow
Best shooter: Travis Bader
Best rebounder: Jordan Fouse, Green Bay
Best playmaker: Charlie Lee
Best defender: Anton Grady, Cleveland State
Most versatile: Kendrick Perry
Best NBA prospect: Alec Brown
Read more: http://wrightstate.proboards.com/thread/2666/hl-previews#ixzz2e9NvJTCv (http://wrightstate.proboards.com/thread/2666/hl-previews#ixzz2e9NvJTCv)
Not much respect for Valpo, but given that they've got Calliste on the 2nd all-league team, they obviously don't follow the league that closely! :lol: :crazy:
Truly unbelievable. Hopkins first team? Based on what? He once missed a lot of shots for Butler? Wait till they get a look at Moussa.
Quote from: vu72 on September 06, 2013, 04:52:00 PM
Truly unbelievable. Hopkins first team? Based on what? He once missed a lot of shots for Butler? Wait till they get a look at Moussa.
Oh, I don't know. He was very good when it came to shooting co-eds from a dorm window.
Quote from: wh on September 06, 2013, 06:34:06 PMHe was very good when it came to shooting co-eds from a dorm window
(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/1987808512/h55A5D5CB/)
Here's my prediction:
1. Wright State
2. Oakland
3. Green Bay
3. Cleveland State
3. Youngstown State
3. Valparaiso
3. UIC
8. Detroit
9. Milwaukee
I'd guess Anton Grady and Jordan Fouse would both be more likely to show up on a pre-season all-conference team than Hopkins. Grady, two years ago and Fouse last year, were more affective players in their most recent season's than Hopkins was in two years at Butler.
Quote from: vu72 on September 06, 2013, 04:52:00 PM
Truly unbelievable. Hopkins first team? Based on what? He once missed a lot of shots for Butler? Wait till they get a look at Moussa.
I've never seen Gueye play, so how good can he be at Valpo? Contributor? Starter? All-league? Just curious how you (or others that know more about him) think he'll fit in.
From that video, it seems like he thinks he was under-utilized by the Alabama staff, so I'm sure he'll be out to prove something this season.
Quote from: chef on September 07, 2013, 05:13:07 AM
I'd guess Anton Grady and Jordan Fouse would both be more likely to show up on a pre-season all-conference team than Hopkins. Grady, two years ago and Fouse last year, were more affective players in their most recent season's than Hopkins was in two years at Butler.
IMO, most of these preseason "predictions" are worthless because these guys don't follow the Horizon that closely. The pre-season poll from the Horizon coaches/administrators/media will be much more meaningful.
I don't ever recall a player new to the league being voted to a pre-season all league team in the Horizon poll. I assume there's no prohibition from voting for them (maybe chef or pgmado can verify), but it just never seems to happen. For that reason, I'd be very surprised if any newcomers like Gueye, Hopkins, Barlow or Carter show up in the Horizon poll.
Quote from: EddieCabot on September 07, 2013, 12:12:58 PM
I don't ever recall a player new to the league being voted to a pre-season all league team in the Horizon poll. I assume there's no prohibition from voting for them (maybe chef or pgmado can verify), but it just never seems to happen. For that reason, I'd be very surprised if any newcomers like Gueye, Hopkins, Barlow or Carter show up in the Horizon poll.
Hopkins isn't exactly new to the HL.
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Quote from: EddieCabot on September 07, 2013, 12:12:58 PM
I don't ever recall a player new to the league being voted to a pre-season all league team in the Horizon poll. I assume there's no prohibition from voting for them (maybe chef or pgmado can verify), but it just never seems to happen. For that reason, I'd be very surprised if any newcomers like Gueye, Hopkins, Barlow or Carter show up in the Horizon poll.
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Hopkins isn't exactly new to the HL.
Hopkins pros - quickness, vertical, good one-on-one offensive skills, strong finisher around the basket. Liabilities - probably the worst defender Butler had and one of the worst back court defenders in the HL, 0.9 Assist:TO ratio, <30% from 3, only played 23 min./game due to being prone to turn the ball over too much and give up easy scores. At this point, who knows what his true ability level is? Best case he's a bundle of unfulfilled potential about to have a breakout year. Worst case he is who he is - a respectable mid major guard prone to make as many mistakes as he does positive things. Time will tell. In any event he certainly does not have the credentials to be named 1st or 2nd team pre-season all-conference player.
Quote from: EddieCabot on September 07, 2013, 11:56:31 AM
Quote from: vu72 on September 06, 2013, 04:52:00 PM
Truly unbelievable. Hopkins first team? Based on what? He once missed a lot of shots for Butler? Wait till they get a look at Moussa.
I've never seen Gueye play, so how good can he be at Valpo? Contributor? Starter? All-league? Just curious how you (or others that know more about him) think he'll fit in.
From that video, it seems like he thinks he was under-utilized by the Alabama staff, so I'm sure he'll be out to prove something this season.
None of us know for sure of course. His sheer physical size (7' 270# of muscle) will make him an intimidation factor for sure. I did an analysis at some point back showing how he did against Oakland which was the only team we both had played. Then I compared how he did against the big boys and how Kevin did against similar competition. Often Kevin was completely shutdown while Moussa had some very solid games. Against Kentucky for example he had 4 points and 5 blocks and 5 boards in 18 minutes while playing against Nerlins Noel. He'll be big for us while giving us our first legit shot blocker in quite a while.
Hopkins??? Too many people are still drinking the "Butler cool-aid"
We will not finish worse than 4th place. What a joke of a publication to pick us 7th. We aren't like other HL teams that have to completely rebuild after graduating players with Bryce as our coach. It takes a freak occurrence for us to be in the bottom third, like 2009-2010 when 2 key players left before finishing (Bouchie and Haanpaa).
This article is a month+ old, but I'll post it because I don't recall seeing it before. http://www.thehoopsreport.com/article.aspx?id=1169 (http://www.thehoopsreport.com/article.aspx?id=1169) I sort of see where they're coming from, but hard to believe they didn't even mention the potential of Capobianco and Dority to have big years.
I'm not sure if it should go here or in a new thread, but now that the roster and schedule have been finalized, I'd be interested to see predictions on win/loss for the upcoming season. Maybe someone could start a thread with one of those poll things?
Quote from: classof2014 on May 16, 2013, 11:46:08 AM
With the latest signing of Gueye all of the players for next year are set in stone. There is still a lot of question on who will start and who will play where.
Here's my depth chart.
At the PG - Carter (once available), Dority (I think he's more of a 2), Williams
2 - Dority (after Carter is available), Coleman, Davidson
3 - Rossi, Peters, Yeo
4 - Capo, Chadwick, Adekoya
5 - Gueye, Fernandez
I think this will be a fun year to watch. Way more questions than last year, tons of new faces as well. Looking forward to October for the first pre-season game. Still a lot of questions surrounding this team and a ton of unknowns as well.
Opinions.... COMMENCE
Other than Rossi, I think 2014's depth chart from a few months back still looks pretty good. From 30,000 feet, it looks like Adekoya and Davidson will be the freshmen who struggle for PT, so it will be interesting to see if either is interested in redshirting this year.
Quote from: EddieCabot on September 16, 2013, 06:24:42 PMit looks like Adekoya and Davidson will be the freshmen who struggle for PT,
Quite possibly but Adekoya and Peters were probably the highest rated players in the freshman class. Given the depth at the 2 and 3 I could see Yeo possibly redshirting as well as Davidson. Other than Peters they all may have a hard time getting PT. The older guys will be very solid.
Quote from: vu72 on September 16, 2013, 08:24:08 PM
Quote from: EddieCabot on September 16, 2013, 06:24:42 PMit looks like Adekoya and Davidson will be the freshmen who struggle for PT,
Quite possibly but Adekoya and Peters were probably the highest rated players in the freshman class. Given the depth at the 2 and 3 I could see Yeo possibly redshirting as well as Davidson. Other than Peters they all may have a hard time getting PT. The older guys will be very solid.
I've not seen those guys play, so I was just asking. I just didn't know if Adekoya could get minutes ahead of Gueye/Fernandez/Capobianco/Chadwick. That's a pretty solid group of upperclassmen ... if he's better than those guys, then that's great news for Valpo.
Yeo will not redshirt. He's been impressive and will be in the rotation. Adekoya could get some minutes at the "3".
I agree with Chef. I have watched them playing in the gym a couple of times, but I especially can't wait to see Yeo, Peters, and Adekoya develop in real game situations. I also have thought Adekoya would be good at the 3 position in some court combinations. He is strong and a good rebounder. Imagine the rebounding potential of a front line with Gueye, Capobianco, and Adekoya.
Yeo and Peters appear to be real scorers who could put up big numbers some nights if given the minutes. Of course, they will be competing against more mature and experienced players, and they will be competing for playing time with experienced teammates who are looking to secure places in the starting lineup: Carter, Dority, Coleman, Capobianco, Gueye.
However, just like last year, this team probably won't really begin to come together or find their roles until Carter is eligible and league play starts. It is going to be an interesting up and down season, admittedly frustrating at times, which will require patience from coaches and players as well as the fans.
I am not sure that anyone will redshirt unless they are injured. The team will start the year with only 11 players and not get Carters services until the 12'th game so I think that Williams and Davidson might get more early season playing time than we would like to see because we will need them. (trial by fire). When Carter starts playing they may rarely leave the bench because we will have sufficient depth without them, but until then they could log some significant minutes.(maybe not all of it too pretty). ;)
I see neither a need , a desire, or any clear advantage in redshirting Adekoya either. These freshmen jumped in here together in a rebuilding year and we should give them an opportunity to show us what they can do.
Quote from: justducky on September 17, 2013, 12:43:19 AM
I am not sure that anyone will redshirt unless they are injured. The team will start the year with only 11 players and not get Carters services until the 12'th game so I think that Williams and Davidson might get more early season playing time than we would like to see because we will need them. (trial by fire). When Carter starts playing they may rarely leave the bench because we will have sufficient depth without them, but until then they could log some significant minutes.(maybe not all of it too pretty). ;)
I see neither a need , a desire, or any clear advantage in redshirting Adekoya either. These freshmen jumped in here together in a rebuilding year and we should give them an opportunity to show us what they can do.
I doubt it. Think "reloading".
Quote from: vu72 on September 17, 2013, 08:26:10 AMI doubt it. Think "reloading".
I agree, I think this season will be more of a "reloading" type year. Yes, there are a lot of unknowns about the team but what we do know is both Capo and LVD are very good players who I believe are both ready to be top tier HL players. Coleman is one of the most athletic players in the HL and I believe he will be the biggest "surprise" on the team and will step up into the Matt Kenney role. Let us not forget we do have the biggest player in the HL in the Moose. Only one other team in the HL has a player above 7 foot and that's GB with Brown who is one of the most overrated players in the HL, he just happens to be a 7 footer who is a decent shooter other than that he's nothing special and he'll get eaten alive.
Once Carter becomes eligible in December there will be 7 players on our team that have played NCAA basketball and I can guarantee at least one of the five freshmen will step up and have an impact on this team.
Obviously this year has a lot of unknowns and questions but I would be shocked if we aren't competing for another HL title. We are returning 4 players from last years team and two that had to redshirt as well, so they know Drew's system. Let us not forget we have the 2 best coaches in the HL.
Quote from: classof2014 on September 17, 2013, 10:02:17 AM
Quote from: vu72 on September 17, 2013, 08:26:10 AMI doubt it. Think "reloading".
I agree, I think this season will be more of a "reloading" type year. Yes, there are a lot of unknowns about the team but what we do know is both Capo and LVD are very good players who I believe are both ready to be top tier HL players. Coleman is one of the most athletic players in the HL and I believe he will be the biggest "surprise" on the team and will step up into the Matt Kenney role. Let us not forget we do have the biggest player in the HL in the Moose. Only one other team in the HL has a player above 7 foot and that's GB with Brown who is one of the most overrated players in the HL, he just happens to be a 7 footer who is a decent shooter other than that he's nothing special and he'll get eaten alive.
Once Carter becomes eligible in December there will be 7 players on our team that have played NCAA basketball and I can guarantee at least one of the five freshmen will step up and have an impact on this team.
Obviously this year has a lot of unknowns and questions but I would be shocked if we aren't competing for another HL title. We are returning 4 players from last years team and two that had to redshirt as well, so they know Drew's system. Let us not forget we have the 2 best coaches in the HL.
When does practice start?? :crazy: When you think of last years starting lineup versus this years, talent aside, just consider the difference in height. We had Kevin at 6'8" versus Moussa at 7', Ryan at 6'7" versus Bobby at 6'10", and Matt or Boggs at 6'4" versus who? maybe Alec Peters at 6'7". In the backcourt we had Erik at 5'11" (maybe) and Bogan at 6'1" versus (after the semester) Carter at 6' and possibly a guy like Coleman at 6'5" or Yeo at 6'4". Then we can bring guys like Chadwick at 6'9" off the bench. So if you, for this purpose, went with Peters, Moussa, Bobby, Carter and Coleman then our starting lineup this year would be a total of 15 inches taller with a lot more bulk. Doesn't really prove anything but does point out that we will be bigger than most if not all teams we play.
Quote from: vu72 on September 17, 2013, 10:20:43 AMWhen does practice start??
Practices may begin two weeks earlier this year. From
USA TODAY: "The 2013-14 season opens on Nov. 8, so that means teams will be allowed to begin practicing on Sept. 27." That is only 10 days away! :dance:
Quote from: vu72 on September 17, 2013, 10:20:43 AM
When does practice start?? :crazy: When you think of last years starting lineup versus this years, talent aside, just consider the difference in height. We had Kevin at 6'8" versus Moussa at 7', Ryan at 6'7" versus Bobby at 6'10", and Matt or Boggs at 6'4" versus who? maybe Alec Peters at 6'7". In the backcourt we had Erik at 5'11" (maybe) and Bogan at 6'1" versus (after the semester) Carter at 6' and possibly a guy like Coleman at 6'5" or Yeo at 6'4". Then we can bring guys like Chadwick at 6'9" off the bench. So if you, for this purpose, went with Peters, Moussa, Bobby, Carter and Coleman then our starting lineup this year would be a total of 15 inches taller with a lot more bulk. Doesn't really prove anything but does point out that we will be bigger than most if not all teams we play.
Very good analysis here. Even when Valpo was dominating the Horizon over the last two seasons, they still struggled with the size of the BCS teams they faced (and to some extent, Detroit in the 2012 league finals). For example, Broekoff and Van Wijk were great players for Valpo, but they combined to shoot 2-17 against MSU's frontcourt size. I may be wrong, but I don't think Valpo beat a BCS team during the Broekhoff/KVW era.
With the new roster, Valpo now has BCS size and the added benefit that many of those players have previously played at BCS schools. This could be the year they break through and notch a win over a BCS opponent. As vu72 points out, it will be difficult for any Horizon team to matchup with Valpo's size and talent.
Quote from: chef on September 16, 2013, 10:56:19 PM
Yeo will not redshirt. He's been impressive and will be in the rotation.
Clay Yeo @YeoCrusader11 12h
Weighed in at 193lbs today that's and 18lb increase since day 1
Quote from: wh on September 18, 2013, 05:54:07 AM
Quote from: chef on September 16, 2013, 10:56:19 PM
Yeo will not redshirt. He's been impressive and will be in the rotation.
Clay Yeo @YeoCrusader11 12h
Weighed in at 193lbs today that's and 18lb increase since day 1
I think I gained like 30 pounds my first year at Valpo. I'm sure Yeo's gain is better suited to playing basketball than my weight gain! ;)
6-4 193# is a solid body for a BB player. Hope some extra speed came with the extra pounds.
Quote from: classof2014 on September 17, 2013, 10:02:17 AM
Quote from: vu72 on September 17, 2013, 08:26:10 AMI doubt it. Think "reloading".
I agree, I think this season will be more of a "reloading" type year. Yes, there are a lot of unknowns about the team but what we do know is both Capo and LVD are very good players who I believe are both ready to be top tier HL players. Coleman is one of the most athletic players in the HL and I believe he will be the biggest "surprise" on the team and will step up into the Matt Kenney role. Let us not forget we do have the biggest player in the HL in the Moose. Only one other team in the HL has a player above 7 foot and that's GB with Brown who is one of the most overrated players in the HL, he just happens to be a 7 footer who is a decent shooter other than that he's nothing special and he'll get eaten alive.
Once Carter becomes eligible in December there will be 7 players on our team that have played NCAA basketball and I can guarantee at least one of the five freshmen will step up and have an impact on this team.
Obviously this year has a lot of unknowns and questions but I would be shocked if we aren't competing for another HL title. We are returning 4 players from last years team and two that had to redshirt as well, so they know Drew's system. Let us not forget we have the 2 best coaches in the HL.
I know that it is a huge undertaking to review all the D1 schools in the country and come up with a preseason "68", but I am not sure how anyone looks at VU and doesn't think they garner a mention in the conference race. Its not like Bryce has any experience doing this before... wait a second... didn't he do something similar in his first season? Freshman coach loses 50% of the playing minutes from the previous year, adds in 3 transfers that didn't even practice with the team the year before, a big man who's bad back limited his production so much that some people wondered if he would even play and then the expected HL POY transfers to Michigan State. Could it have gotten any worse? And all the freshman coach did was win the HL regular season. I know there are a bunch of intangables regarding this upcoming season, but I think it is much easier to see this team's potential when comparing it to the 11-12 team. Ignore us if we don't have one of the best young coaching staffs in D1, or if we don't have a bunch of mature transfers from other decent programs, and a 7' defensive stopper in the middle along with one of the best point guards to come out of Illinois in recent years. Oh, by the way the incoming recruiting class is nothing to sneeze about either. I think it is crazy to Ohhh and Ahhhh about Wright State and Green Bay when as a coach I would be salavating over the potential of VU's roster.
Quote from: FWalum on September 19, 2013, 09:37:25 AM
Quote from: classof2014 on September 17, 2013, 10:02:17 AM
Quote from: vu72 on September 17, 2013, 08:26:10 AMI doubt it. Think "reloading".
I agree, I think this season will be more of a "reloading" type year. Yes, there are a lot of unknowns about the team but what we do know is both Capo and LVD are very good players who I believe are both ready to be top tier HL players. Coleman is one of the most athletic players in the HL and I believe he will be the biggest "surprise" on the team and will step up into the Matt Kenney role. Let us not forget we do have the biggest player in the HL in the Moose. Only one other team in the HL has a player above 7 foot and that's GB with Brown who is one of the most overrated players in the HL, he just happens to be a 7 footer who is a decent shooter other than that he's nothing special and he'll get eaten alive.
Once Carter becomes eligible in December there will be 7 players on our team that have played NCAA basketball and I can guarantee at least one of the five freshmen will step up and have an impact on this team.
Obviously this year has a lot of unknowns and questions but I would be shocked if we aren't competing for another HL title. We are returning 4 players from last years team and two that had to redshirt as well, so they know Drew's system. Let us not forget we have the 2 best coaches in the HL.
I know that it is a huge undertaking to review all the D1 schools in the country and come up with a preseason "68", but I am not sure how anyone looks at VU and doesn't think they garner a mention in the conference race. Its not like Bryce has any experience doing this before... wait a second... didn't he do something similar in his first season? Freshman coach loses 50% of the playing minutes from the previous year, adds in 3 transfers that didn't even practice with the team the year before, a big man who's bad back limited his production so much that some people wondered if he would even play and then the expected HL POY transfers to Michigan State. Could it have gotten any worse? And all the freshman coach did was win the HL regular season. I know there are a bunch of intangables regarding this upcoming season, but I think it is much easier to see this team's potential when comparing it to the 11-12 team. Ignore us if we don't have one of the best young coaching staffs in D1, or if we don't have a bunch of mature transfers from other decent programs, and a 7' defensive stopper in the middle along with one of the best point guards to come out of Illinois in recent years. Oh, by the way the incoming recruiting class is nothing to sneeze about either. I think it is crazy to Ohhh and Ahhhh about Wright State and Green Bay when as a coach I would be salavating over the potential of VU's roster.
Wasn't it GB who had a bunch of players flat out say their coach is a heartless drill sergeant who doesn't care about the players on the team... And didn't they have like 5 guys opt to transfer out of the program as well, and don't they have one of the most overrated players in the HL??? I don't understand why people think they have a legitimate shot at winning the HL, last season they were supposed to be really good and well... they almost got lucky at the end but didn't they finish about .500.
I think we all know it'll probably be between Valpo and Wright State for the HL championship again. I could see Oakland or possibly CSU making a run at it but saying GB is one of the top two teams in the HL completely discredits whomever wrote that article. :crazy:
Most here probably have never heard Chadwick speak:
Inside Valpo Athletics: David Chadwick 9|19|13 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzEKdbfsJmc#)
Quote from: classof2014 on September 19, 2013, 09:49:37 AM
Wasn't it GB who had a bunch of players flat out say their coach is a heartless drill sergeant who doesn't care about the players on the team... And didn't they have like 5 guys opt to transfer out of the program as well, and don't they have one of the most overrated players in the HL??? I don't understand why people think they have a legitimate shot at winning the HL, last season they were supposed to be really good and well... they almost got lucky at the end but didn't they finish about .500.
I think we all know it'll probably be between Valpo and Wright State for the HL championship again. I could see Oakland or possibly CSU making a run at it but saying GB is one of the top two teams in the HL completely discredits whomever wrote that article. :crazy:
I think Wright State is the class of the league this year. They have the entire team returning from last year and if they stay healthy Arceneaux and Darling should be All-Conference players. After that it's Oakland, Valpo and Green Bay. I see why people are picking UWGB, Sykes is outstanding, and could be the PotY (or at least challenge Perry for it). Fouse is one of the most athletic players in the league. While I believe Brown is overrated, he's still a really good player. As a basketball fan, I wish he would gain a little muscle, stay down low and actually rebound, but as a Valpo fan I want him to stay a stringbean. Green Bay also plays amazingly better at home. I could see them being undefeated at home this season. I really want to catch a game up there just to see what is up with their crazy home court advantage.
Valpo is inexperienced.
Oakland is untested in the HL.
Detroit is rebuilding.
YSU has one good player, and he's not Lebron.
CSU has a good sophomore, and not much else.
UIC is... Well Hayden Humes is the best player on their team.
Milwaukee still has Jordan Aaron shooting 25%
I heard a lot of the "I'll do what the coaches want me to do" kind of speak. Nothing that really has me excited about what Chadwick will do in 2013-14. He sounds like a humble kid, but I hope what he said in this clip will translate better on the basketball court than it did here.
I have to agree with Kyle 321n, we have a lot of unknown variables to find in the equation known as the Valparaiso Crusaders Men's Basketball Team 2013-14. I did a little bit of evaluation of the roster, and I found 7 variables that we won't have true answers for until at least the first month of the conference season, in my opinion.
1) Roster- 5 True Freshmen we haven't seen play in anything more than YouTube clips from high school or AAU games, which mostly mean seeing their ability to dunk or score at-will.
2) 2 5th year Seniors in Capo and Gueye who might dominate the boards, but could also step on each other's toes for rebounds and claiming territory around the rim.
3) 2 True Seniors in Dority and Coleman, both haven't seemed like the most important cog yet, and we need both of them to step up big, but what is Coleman's role? We know what he can do in a few minutes, but how will that translate over 15 minutes or more a game?
4) 3 Unknown transfers in Carter, Chadwick, and Gueye. I mean we know what Carter did against us at St. Louis last season, but what will he be like after a year away from game action? What is Chadwick really like as a 3-4 style player? Will Gueye look dominant, but play a bit softer because of the lack of size and height in the middle? Could he be an issue in the fouls category?
5) Development of Vashil- Has he improved at all? Did his play for his home country help his development, or was it just to say they had a D-1 player on their roster?
6) Again, what will Coleman's role be?
7) Starting 5 changes like the weather with transfers and youth. When will we have a set starting 5 and a true bench rotation? I know a lot of you have stated what you believe the starting rotation and bench rotation will/could be, but I don't see as much pressure being placed on some of the freshmen as others have said since the offseason commenced. Will we have a true idea before conference play, or will we know a few weeks into conference play?
At this point, I don't have us in the same regard as a Wright State or a Cleveland State with Grady back in their lineup. Green Bay is getting so much noise because of what they supposedly return, but after all the talk about Wardle during the summer, it could be us against Nurse Rachet's insane asylum from One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest. We just have too many question marks, and I'm not ready to put these guys on a pedestal until we have some of the variables answered. I'm saying we'll be in 4th behind Wright State, Cleveland State, and either Green Bay or Oakland. Remember, Oakland has Travis Bader back for another year, and he knows how to create his shots and points, which could damage Dority or whomever has to body up to him on the perimeter.
Quote from: Kyle321n on September 19, 2013, 10:16:58 AMMilwaukee still has Jordan Aaron shooting 25%
HE'S IMPROVED OVER THE SUMMER!?!??!
Quote from: valporun on September 19, 2013, 10:42:37 AMI mean we know what Carter did against us at St. Louis last season
Sit on the bench and watch? Well, he will be doing that for a bit (too long)
; )
LAA, did Carter sit against us? I thought he was on the floor? It wasn't until after our game that he had decided to transfer.
http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/boxscore/2012-13/3264/valpo-vs-saint-louis-12-02-2012/ (http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/boxscore/2012-13/3264/valpo-vs-saint-louis-12-02-2012/)
Quote from: valporun on September 19, 2013, 10:42:37 AMGreen Bay is getting so much noise because of what they supposedly return, but after all the talk about Wardle during the summer, it could be us against Nurse Rachet's insane asylum from One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest.
I'd consider playing a zone ... Chief is a force on the low block.
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p193/eddiecabot/Cuckoo_BBall_zps38932a87.jpg)
Quote from: FWalum on September 19, 2013, 09:37:25 AM
Quote from: classof2014 on September 17, 2013, 10:02:17 AM
Quote from: vu72 on September 17, 2013, 08:26:10 AMI doubt it. Think "reloading".
I agree, I think this season will be more of a "reloading" type year. Yes, there are a lot of unknowns about the team but what we do know is both Capo and LVD are very good players who I believe are both ready to be top tier HL players. Coleman is one of the most athletic players in the HL and I believe he will be the biggest "surprise" on the team and will step up into the Matt Kenney role. Let us not forget we do have the biggest player in the HL in the Moose. Only one other team in the HL has a player above 7 foot and that's GB with Brown who is one of the most overrated players in the HL, he just happens to be a 7 footer who is a decent shooter other than that he's nothing special and he'll get eaten alive.
Once Carter becomes eligible in December there will be 7 players on our team that have played NCAA basketball and I can guarantee at least one of the five freshmen will step up and have an impact on this team.
Obviously this year has a lot of unknowns and questions but I would be shocked if we aren't competing for another HL title. We are returning 4 players from last years team and two that had to redshirt as well, so they know Drew's system. Let us not forget we have the 2 best coaches in the HL.
I know that it is a huge undertaking to review all the D1 schools in the country and come up with a preseason "68", but I am not sure how anyone looks at VU and doesn't think they garner a mention in the conference race. Its not like Bryce has any experience doing this before... wait a second... didn't he do something similar in his first season? Freshman coach loses 50% of the playing minutes from the previous year, adds in 3 transfers that didn't even practice with the team the year before, a big man who's bad back limited his production so much that some people wondered if he would even play and then the expected HL POY transfers to Michigan State. Could it have gotten any worse? And all the freshman coach did was win the HL regular season. I know there are a bunch of intangables regarding this upcoming season, but I think it is much easier to see this team's potential when comparing it to the 11-12 team. Ignore us if we don't have one of the best young coaching staffs in D1, or if we don't have a bunch of mature transfers from other decent programs, and a 7' defensive stopper in the middle along with one of the best point guards to come out of Illinois in recent years. Oh, by the way the incoming recruiting class is nothing to sneeze about either. I think it is crazy to Ohhh and Ahhhh about Wright State and Green Bay when as a coach I would be salavating over the potential of VU's roster.
As you hinted at, I don't think the national publications really put in much time on the Horizon League. They seem to focus on returning players and don't do much research on newcomers.
So, my guess is their "analysis" started and ended with looking at the box scores from last year's HL tourney, seeing that GB and WSU both played Valpo close, and seeing that those teams returned more players than Valpo does. From the GB box, Valpo returns 5 points and 2 rebounds while GB returns 57 points and 26 rebounds. From WSU box, Valpo returns 5 points and 2 rebounds while WSU returns all 54 points and 18 rebounds.
As FW points out, what the prognosticators fail to look at is all of the talent Valpo is bringing in, as well as the returning players who are poised to expand their roles. On a side note, it will be interesting to see how much "respect" Valpo, as two-time defending champions, will get in the Horizon League preseason poll. I think the Horizon voters will put more effort into their research than the national guys do, and as FW also mentioned, they will understand and consider what Bryce has accomplished at Valpo.
Just a little reminder about things to come at the conclusion of the semester:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0QhWUd7Tv0#t=18 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0QhWUd7Tv0#t=18)
Another:
http://blip.tv/ballislife/slu-commit-keith-carter-leads-proviso-east-maywood-il-to-25-0-regular-season-top-20-in-nation-6004535 (http://blip.tv/ballislife/slu-commit-keith-carter-leads-proviso-east-maywood-il-to-25-0-regular-season-top-20-in-nation-6004535)
Noticed Doc Rivers in the stands - his alma mater I believe.
I believe he was Mr. Illinois runner up... Which is saying quite a bit for Illinois which is one of the most talented states in the country.
I wouldn't be shocked at all if he comes in and becomes the next Kendrick Perry or Keifer Sykes in the HL.
He looks like a slightly bigger model of Erik Buggs--quickness wise, but also someone who can make an occasional outside shot! Doubt you'll see the sagging clog up the middle defense employed by some last year.
One more Keith Carter highlight for the fun of it - from the state championship game against Jabari Parker and Simeon:
Jabari Parker of Simeon and Keith Carter of Proviso East trade fantastic finishes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEAT7aHDAEc#ws)
Quote from: classof2014 on September 19, 2013, 02:16:48 PMI believe he was Mr. Illinois runner up.
I think Mr. Illinois would be a body builder. Carter though was runner up to Jabari Parker for Mr. Basketball.
Quote from: chef on September 19, 2013, 03:43:46 PM
Quote from: classof2014 on September 19, 2013, 02:16:48 PMI believe he was Mr. Illinois runner up.
I think Mr. Illinois would be a body builder. Carter though was runner up to Jabari Parker for Mr. Basketball.
Good call!
Only a few days till practice (official practice) starts... Should be an interesting season. This is the first time I feel like I know what the freshman are bringing to the team. Watched quite a bit of game video on YouTube.
Just one more month till the first exhibition game!!!!
Another set of predictions with not much for Valpo, which is picked 6th.
Excerpts from the Blue Ribbon preview of the Horizon League are as follows:
Projected Standings:
- Wright State
- Green Bay
- Cleveland State
- Oakland
- UIC
- Valparaiso
- Detroit
- Youngstown State
- Milwaukee
All-League Team:
- Kelsey Barlow, UIC
- Alec Brown, Green Bay
- Kendrick Perry, Youngstown State
- Keifer Sykes, Green Bay
- Travis Bader, Oakland
Top Backcourts:
- Wright State
- Oakland
- Cleveland State
Top Frontcourts:
- Green Bay
- Cleveland State
- Wright State
Player of the Year: Kendrick Perry, Youngstown State
Newcomer of the Year: Kelsey Barlow, UIC
http://www.horizonleague.org/blog/blue-ribbon-previews-the-2013-14-horizon-league-season.html (http://www.horizonleague.org/blog/blue-ribbon-previews-the-2013-14-horizon-league-season.html)
This is setting up to be a great year, because under-the-radar.
Last year, as great as it was, was more stressful because of the bulls-eye. "Noblesse oblige", as they say. As someone above said, it's a lot more like 2011-12 where we didn't know what to expect given changes and graduation.
Let's go prove a lot of people wrong.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on September 26, 2013, 09:25:14 AMThis is setting up to be a great year, because under-the-radar.
Maybe I am completely BONKERS but I am really excited to see how all this talent gells. The size and bulk of this team paired with the potential of the guards and BCS experience of some of the players just makes for a facinating group.
QuoteComing out of high school, former SLU head coach Rick Majerus called Carter his biggest recruit since Andre Miller. As a senior at Proviso East High School outside of Chicago, the 6-foot guard earned first-team All-State plaudits from the Associated Press and Chicago Tribune and finished second in the Illinois Mr. Basketball 2012 voting only to one of the nation's top recruits, Jabrari Parker.
Quotes like the one above and the video I have watched have just fueled the anticipation. Once Carter gets on the floor I think the conference race is up for grabs. Physically this team may match up with the big boys better than any since the Raitis Grafs, Antti Nikkila era.
Quote from: FWalum on September 26, 2013, 10:19:33 AMOnce Carter gets on the floor I think the conference race is up for grabs.
Au contraire, my friend! Though you know much more than I, I think that once he gets on the floor, it's pretty much over :)
The first allowable day of practice begins at midnight tonight: Oakland has scheduled its first official team practice for 6 a.m. tomorrow (5 a.m. Valpo time). The new season is finally here! ;D
I know this has been posted before, but I don't care! ;) This video gives just a hint about what Moussa will bring to Valpo, including a soft touch to 15 feet and a nice jump hook as exhibited against the 6th overall NBA pick, Nerlins Noel. Oh yeah, he apparently can block a shot or two also.
Moussa Gueye's Journey To Alabama (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pr4fEd1KoAY#ws)
FYI : First "Open Practice" to which season ticket holders are invited will be Oct. 10.
Re: 72's post. The Moose is going to surprise a lot of folks. It's gonna be a different kinda game from this Valpo team this year. That driving lane just got a tad smaller. I too am getting excited.
I know that it was two offensive plays, but he showed that he knows how to keep his dribble low to the floor as he drives from 10-12 feet out. That is something a lot of bigs have trouble with on offense. I look forward to seeing what he can do for us on BOTH sides of the floor!
Quote from: valpopal on September 26, 2013, 05:57:05 PM
FYI : First "Open Practice" to which season ticket holders are invited will be Oct. 10.
Received this invitation via email:
Dear Crusader Fan,
Thank you for purchasing season tickets for the 2013-2014 Valpo Basketball season. We are excited about the upcoming season of Crusader basketball! To show our appreciation for your involvement in our program, you and your family are invited to the 3rd annual Season Ticket Holder Open Practice to meet this year's Men's Basketball team, led by Bryce Drew, and this year's Women's Basketball team, led by Tracey Dorow.
This exclusive event for season ticket holders will be held at the ARC in the Arena on Thursday, Oct. 10, from 6 to 8 p.m. and will include one hour of practice that concludes with a "meet-and-greet" with both teams. You will be the first group to catch a glimpse of both teams as they begin their preparations for the 2013-2014 season. A light meal will be provided. If you are able to attend, we ask that you RSVP by calling 219.464.6894 or emailing valpo.athletics@valpo.edu with the size of your party.
Details at a Glance
What: Season Ticket Holder Open Practice, dinner provided
Where: Arena in Athletics-Recreation Center
When: 6 to 8 p.m., Thursday, Oct. 10
We look forward to seeing you at this event and thank you again for your continued support of Valpo Basketball!
Sincerely,
Mark LaBarbera
Director of Athletics
A new Horizon League preseason poll by College Sports Madness has Keith Carter on the Fourth All-League team (yes, they go as deep as four) and Alec Peters as Freshman of the Year, which is nice to see. Other than that, nothing for Valpo. I hope the lack of respect for Bobby motivates him to have a tremendous year.
http://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/7419 (http://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/7419)
Thoughts from the NWI Times on potential starters for Valpo: http://www.nwitimes.com/blogs/sports/valparaiso-university/who-starts-for-valparaiso/article_f64d6fe8-27c0-11e3-a3f6-001a4bcf887a.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/blogs/sports/valparaiso-university/who-starts-for-valparaiso/article_f64d6fe8-27c0-11e3-a3f6-001a4bcf887a.html)
No great revelations, although I'm a bit surprised that Capobianco might play the 3 spot at times ... quite a change from the 6'3" guys (Boggs/Kenney/Little) that Valpo has used there the last few years. I agree that Capobianco will be the key and could have a "monster season" (as P. Oren predicts) now that he'll have the freedom to show his offensive skills.
I also noticed a Chadwick interview on the Valpo website that I hadn't seen posted anywhere. http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2013-14/12932/david-chadwick-joins-inside-valpo-athletics/ (http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2013-14/12932/david-chadwick-joins-inside-valpo-athletics/) Sounds like he's another big guy who also has good perimeter skills and will be a versatile backup.
Quote from: EddieCabot on October 01, 2013, 08:27:56 AMI also noticed a Chadwick interview on the Valpo website that I hadn't seen posted anywhere.
post #94 in this thread
http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1461.msg36151;topicseen#msg36151 (http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1461.msg36151;topicseen#msg36151)
Some big hands:
https://twitter.com/petersalec/status/386230335144333312/photo/1
That back row is huge!
https://twitter.com/ValpoBasketball/status/386246798336999424/photo/1
Seems like they got a new jersey design as well. Looks pretty good if I must say!
The fact they put Yeo in a chair says a lot. The new talent leans heavily to the right (left from the players & staff view) in this picture. Of course that doesn't count the transfer from Charlotte, Nickerson.
Moussa is one large man!
Another preseason preview: SB Nation, Mid-Major Madness picks Valpo 4th (behind Green Bay, Wright State, and Oakland). An excerpt: "They return the sixth man of the year LaVonte Dority, they return a big man in Bobby Capobianco, and they had arguably the best recruiting classes in the league. With the second semester addition of Keith Carter, the Crusaders are reloading not rebuilding. With a little luck and some fantastic Freshman performances, Valparaiso could repeat as conference champions."
http://www.midmajormadness.com/2013-14-season-preview/2013/10/7/4773366/2013-2014-mid-major-conference-preview-horizon-league (http://www.midmajormadness.com/2013-14-season-preview/2013/10/7/4773366/2013-2014-mid-major-conference-preview-horizon-league)
That guy's a pretty good writer (http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1562.msg36461#msg36461), and must have some insight on VU basketball ;)
Quote from: Kyle321n on October 07, 2013, 09:15:53 AM
That guy's a pretty good writer (http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=1562.msg36461#msg36461), and must have some insight on VU basketball ;)
Sorry, I missed that original posting. :thumbsup:
I doubt he minds the hits :)
http://www.midmajormadness.com/2013-14-season-preview/2013/10/7/4773366/2013-2014-mid-major-conference-preview-horizon-league (http://www.midmajormadness.com/2013-14-season-preview/2013/10/7/4773366/2013-2014-mid-major-conference-preview-horizon-league)
Very, very good. Somebody has done their homework. I know many of us hate to be picked 4th but I really think that is a wise pick. At the same time Valpo could be the #4 seed that nobody, including #1 seed, whomever it turns out to be, wants to play in the league tournament with the Crusaders having a great shot at the auto-bid.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on October 07, 2013, 09:54:29 AMI doubt he minds the hits :)
I'm sure the editors don't, but I don't see a red cent from China. Granted the more hits my articles get, the more they may have me write.
Quote from: bbtds on October 07, 2013, 11:14:42 AM
http://www.midmajormadness.com/2013-14-season-preview/2013/10/7/4773366/2013-2014-mid-major-conference-preview-horizon-league (http://www.midmajormadness.com/2013-14-season-preview/2013/10/7/4773366/2013-2014-mid-major-conference-preview-horizon-league)
Very, very good. Somebody has done their homework. I know many of us hate to be picked 4th but I really think that is a wise pick. At the same time Valpo could be the #4 seed that nobody, including #1 seed, whomever it turns out to be, wants to play in the league tournament with the Crusaders having a great shot at the auto-bid.
Honestly I think the guy who wrote that article is an idiot. Disrespecting Valpo by picking them behind UWGB and Oakland! Ugh...
;)
Poll at the end has Valpo taking the HL 41% to single digits. Must have been my 15 votes. ;D
Those new uniforms... ugh. Not as bad as the ones pre-re-brand though.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVwqcYFCAAESpHG.jpg:large)
While I like the number set (the Packers have been using a notched 5 forever http://www.919marketing.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/packers-cover.jpeg (http://www.919marketing.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/packers-cover.jpeg)) I hate how they introduced a new elongated typeface. The font should match that of their logo displayed on the court:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f1/Valparaiso_University_mascot.png)
It also appears as though they're using black stripes on the shorts as well as a black nike logo. The numbers look like they have a brown outline. If that's the case, I think it's a horrible that they're inconsistent and the inclusion of black is stupid. Black isn't one of Valpo's colors. Stick to brown and gold. It's unique and it's used by only one other school (Wyoming). By the way, if you're asking, I think this is a monstrosity: (http://cdnl.complex.com/mp/620/400/80/0/bb/1/ffffff/fdefb81a4f07fe33e751d87001d826ed/images_/assets/CHANNEL_IMAGES/ART/2012/08/the-25-best-college-football-uniforms-for-2012/wyoming01_305411.jpg)
I'm anxious to see the whole thing. How do the NOBs look? Loved the typeface from last year, but the lack of outline was pretty stupid. Yellow on white? and White on Yellow? C'mon, nobody could read that.
(http://www.suntimes.com/csp/cms/sites/dt.common.streams.StreamServer.cls?STREAMOID=UNIkOBaZRnOggY7DFfJmgc$daE2N3K4ZzOUsqbU5sYs6P5Eg6tTL3oVsPsxApsMN6FB40xiOfUoExWL3M40tfzssyZqpeG_J0TFo7ZhRaDiHC9oxmioMlYVJD0A$3RbIiibgT65kY_CSDiCiUzvHvODrHApbd6ry6YGl5GGOZrs-&CONTENTTYPE=image/jpeg)
Personally, I like the new home unis, at least from the front they seem to pop out a bit more. My biggest question is their new road unis, will they still look like highlighters or will they be a bit easier on the eye?
Again, AMEN on using BROWN and GOLD, not black and gold...I agree on the white numbers on the gold shirt. The first time I saw them was at Butler when sat up high and we could hardly read the numbers. If brown and gold are good enough for the women's team , why not the men......It's "Hail to the BROWN and GOLD"!
Quote from: wh on September 27, 2013, 02:38:57 AM
Quote from: valpopal on September 26, 2013, 05:57:05 PM
FYI : First "Open Practice" to which season ticket holders are invited will be Oct. 10.
Received this invitation via email:
Dear Crusader Fan,
Thank you for purchasing season tickets for the 2013-2014 Valpo Basketball season. We are excited about the upcoming season of Crusader basketball! To show our appreciation for your involvement in our program, you and your family are invited to the 3rd annual Season Ticket Holder Open Practice to meet this year's Men's Basketball team, led by Bryce Drew, and this year's Women's Basketball team, led by Tracey Dorow.
This exclusive event for season ticket holders will be held at the ARC in the Arena on Thursday, Oct. 10, from 6 to 8 p.m. and will include one hour of practice that concludes with a "meet-and-greet" with both teams. You will be the first group to catch a glimpse of both teams as they begin their preparations for the 2013-2014 season. A light meal will be provided. If you are able to attend, we ask that you RSVP by calling 219.464.6894 or emailing valpo.athletics@valpo.edu with the size of your party.
Details at a Glance
What: Season Ticket Holder Open Practice, dinner provided
Where: Arena in Athletics-Recreation Center
When: 6 to 8 p.m., Thursday, Oct. 10
We look forward to seeing you at this event and thank you again for your continued support of Valpo Basketball!
Sincerely,
Mark LaBarbera
Director of Athletics
Reminder, the season ticket holder event at the ARC is tonight starting at 6 p.m. Last year they lined up early so you may want to get there a few minutes ahead of 6 p.m.
Quote from: historyman on October 10, 2013, 11:54:58 AMReminder, the season ticket holder event at the ARC is tonight starting at 6 p.m. Last year they lined up early so you may want to get there a few minutes ahead of 6 p.m.
How many are going to ask ML about the football program and the strategic plan goals?
Stay with the tradition of Brown and Gold. (despite it causing graduates to have the worst possible looking graduation party cakes)
Here's an old clip of Moussa shooting around in the gym. Remember, this was back at JC, probably 4 years ago. Seems like he has a soft touch and wouldn't be surprised if we saw him take some shots out to 10 feet. He shows that he can use either hand but that clearly he is left handed! Finally, near the end of the clip he is shooting free throws and made something like 15 of 20 and pretty solid form.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&ved=0CEUQtwIwAw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DE6IHUyq0EEM&ei=20dcUuXjKqKb2wW2pYHYBw&usg=AFQjCNExkdSJCAWVteR2Y1oXQgh-N7gg0Q&sig2=CzMOjkAq0P-uiy8jSV2Z_A&bvm=bv.53899372,d.b2I (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&ved=0CEUQtwIwAw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DE6IHUyq0EEM&ei=20dcUuXjKqKb2wW2pYHYBw&usg=AFQjCNExkdSJCAWVteR2Y1oXQgh-N7gg0Q&sig2=CzMOjkAq0P-uiy8jSV2Z_A&bvm=bv.53899372,d.b2I)
Quote from: vu72 on October 14, 2013, 02:37:40 PM
Here's an old clip of Moussa shooting around in the gym. Remember, this was back at JC, probably 4 years ago. Seems like he has a soft touch and wouldn't be surprised if we saw him take some shots out to 10 feet. He shows that he can use either hand but that clearly he is left handed! Finally, near the end of the clip he is shooting free throws and made something like 15 of 20 and pretty solid form.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&ved=0CEUQtwIwAw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DE6IHUyq0EEM&ei=20dcUuXjKqKb2wW2pYHYBw&usg=AFQjCNExkdSJCAWVteR2Y1oXQgh-N7gg0Q&sig2=CzMOjkAq0P-uiy8jSV2Z_A&bvm=bv.53899372,d.b2I (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&ved=0CEUQtwIwAw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DE6IHUyq0EEM&ei=20dcUuXjKqKb2wW2pYHYBw&usg=AFQjCNExkdSJCAWVteR2Y1oXQgh-N7gg0Q&sig2=CzMOjkAq0P-uiy8jSV2Z_A&bvm=bv.53899372,d.b2I)
Hmmm ... am I the only one who noticed the floor decal looked a little funny? ???
Quote from: EddieCabot on October 14, 2013, 03:12:50 PM
Quote from: vu72 on October 14, 2013, 02:37:40 PM
Here's an old clip of Moussa shooting around in the gym. Remember, this was back at JC, probably 4 years ago. Seems like he has a soft touch and wouldn't be surprised if we saw him take some shots out to 10 feet. He shows that he can use either hand but that clearly he is left handed! Finally, near the end of the clip he is shooting free throws and made something like 15 of 20 and pretty solid form.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&ved=0CEUQtwIwAw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DE6IHUyq0EEM&ei=20dcUuXjKqKb2wW2pYHYBw&usg=AFQjCNExkdSJCAWVteR2Y1oXQgh-N7gg0Q&sig2=CzMOjkAq0P-uiy8jSV2Z_A&bvm=bv.53899372,d.b2I (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&ved=0CEUQtwIwAw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DE6IHUyq0EEM&ei=20dcUuXjKqKb2wW2pYHYBw&usg=AFQjCNExkdSJCAWVteR2Y1oXQgh-N7gg0Q&sig2=CzMOjkAq0P-uiy8jSV2Z_A&bvm=bv.53899372,d.b2I)
Hmmm ... am I the only one who noticed the floor decal looked a little funny? ???
The video won't play on an I-phone. What does the floor decal show?
Looks fine to me. Even Moussa Mbaye developed a decent jump shot his last year, so I am sure this Moussa from Senegal will be fine around the rim and a few feet out.
i'm guessing eddie is implying that since the decal is backwards, the video is reversed, and so he's not lefty at all.
but i didn't watch the video, so that's just context clues...
Quote from: valpotx on October 14, 2013, 04:19:30 PM
Looks fine to me. Even Moussa Mbaye developed a decent jump shot his last year, so I am sure this Moussa from Senegal will be fine around the rim and a few feet out.
Even though the logo looks fine to tx, I've taken the liberty of flipping the image. Does the flipped image (on the right) look better or worse? Better or worse?
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p193/eddiecabot/Moussa_zps8212a3ad.jpg) (http://s128.photobucket.com/user/eddiecabot/media/Moussa_zps8212a3ad.jpg.html)
Yes it looks much better. So I stand corrected, he is right handed! ;D
well, i don't know. now ".edom neercs lluf tixe ot csE sserP" is backwards
;)
Quote from: EddieCabot on October 14, 2013, 05:15:04 PM
Quote from: valpotx on October 14, 2013, 04:19:30 PM
Looks fine to me. Even Moussa Mbaye developed a decent jump shot his last year, so I am sure this Moussa from Senegal will be fine around the rim and a few feet out.
Even though the logo looks fine to tx, I've taken the liberty of flipping the image. Does the flipped image (on the right) look better or worse? Better or worse?
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p193/eddiecabot/Moussa_zps8212a3ad.jpg) (http://s128.photobucket.com/user/eddiecabot/media/Moussa_zps8212a3ad.jpg.html)
I was referencing his form and potential, not the logo ;)
Despite losing its six players with top minutes and scoring, Valpo does get a little bit of respect in the College Insider Mid-Major Top 25 preseason poll. From the Horizon League, only Green Bay cracked the top-25 at #21. The Crusaders received 29 votes and ranked 47. It will be interesting to see how much the team can move up during the season.
http://www.horizonleague.org/blog/seven-teams-earn-votes-in-opening-mid-major-top-25 (http://www.horizonleague.org/blog/seven-teams-earn-votes-in-opening-mid-major-top-25)
Bryce promotes the new season around town:
#GoValpo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUWVNuQYjP4#)
that's pretty cool. replayed the drive to dickeys BBQ several times, though, and still have no clue where that is...going to have to google map it.
Will Saturday's game be streamed? Not sure if exhibition games will be. Thanks
I was wondering the same thing, about where Dickey's was located. I had no idea that they were in the Midwest as well. From Dallas to Valpo with love ;)
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on October 22, 2013, 01:43:58 PMthat's pretty cool. replayed the drive to dickeys BBQ several times, though, and still have no clue where that is...going to have to google map it.
It's on the south side of LaPorte Ave in one of the shopping plaza's just west of the intersection of LaPorte (Hwy 2) and Hwy 49. https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Valparaiso,+IN&hl=en&ll=41.46784,-87.032656&spn=0.001091,0.002642&sll=37.6,-95.665&sspn=37.507426,86.572266&oq=Valparaiso&hnear=Valparaiso,+Porter,+Indiana&t=m&z=19&layer=c&cbll=41.467808,-87.032772&panoid=_cRQ9aIVR1hpXEZydecITQ&cbp=12,155.12,,1,1.43 (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Valparaiso,+IN&hl=en&ll=41.46784,-87.032656&spn=0.001091,0.002642&sll=37.6,-95.665&sspn=37.507426,86.572266&oq=Valparaiso&hnear=Valparaiso,+Porter,+Indiana&t=m&z=19&layer=c&cbll=41.467808,-87.032772&panoid=_cRQ9aIVR1hpXEZydecITQ&cbp=12,155.12,,1,1.43)
Quote from: historyman on October 22, 2013, 02:14:04 PM
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on October 22, 2013, 01:43:58 PMthat's pretty cool. replayed the drive to dickeys BBQ several times, though, and still have no clue where that is...going to have to google map it.
It's on the south side of LaPorte Ave in one of the shopping plaza's just west of the intersection of LaPorte (Hwy 2) and Hwy 49.
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Valparaiso,+IN&hl=en&ll=41.46784,-87.032656&spn=0.001091,0.002642&sll=37.6,-95.665&sspn=37.507426,86.572266&oq=Valparaiso&hnear=Valparaiso,+Porter,+Indiana&t=m&z=19&layer=c&cbll=41.467808,-87.032772&panoid=_cRQ9aIVR1hpXEZydecITQ&cbp=12,155.12,,1,1.43 (https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Valparaiso,+IN&hl=en&ll=41.46784,-87.032656&spn=0.001091,0.002642&sll=37.6,-95.665&sspn=37.507426,86.572266&oq=Valparaiso&hnear=Valparaiso,+Porter,+Indiana&t=m&z=19&layer=c&cbll=41.467808,-87.032772&panoid=_cRQ9aIVR1hpXEZydecITQ&cbp=12,155.12,,1,1.43)
Dickey's is 3 or 4 spaces west of Starbuck's in the same small strip mall. I believe they are in the spot vacated by Wagner's Ribs. Haven't been there, but I have heard some good things about it.
I will be on vacation on the weekend of the 1st exhibition game and I was hoping it would be streamed online do any of you know if it will be? ??? Thanks
Quote from: Valpofan00 on October 22, 2013, 05:13:28 PM
I will be on vacation on the weekend of the 1st exhibition game and I was hoping it would be streamed online do any of you know if it will be? ??? Thanks
It shows that the Volleyball match against UIC will be streamed on HLN earlier in the day at 3:00 p.m. EDT. It wouldn't be that hard to stream the exhibition men's basketball game against Hillsdale later on at 8:00 p.m. EDT
I checked on valpoathletics.com and you can only listen to the game or follow it by the stats I'm very confused
In the past, they've only streamed the audio of the exhibition games.
Quote from: valporun on October 22, 2013, 08:28:55 PM
In the past, they've only streamed the audio of the exhibition games.
I've checked the HLN live video page for Saturday night 10/26/2013 at 8:00 p.m. EDT several times and they have no listing for Hillsdale at Valpo. It looks like this one will be audio only as far as I can tell.
http://www.horizonleague.org/schedule.html?live=1 (http://www.horizonleague.org/schedule.html?live=1)
The game will be on WVUR (and audio-streamlined online) only with a special guest providing color commentary. From what I understand the team likes to keep the exhibition games "off-tape" so to speak.
Quote from: historyman on October 22, 2013, 02:14:04 PMIt's on the south side of LaPorte Ave in one of the shopping plaza's just west of the intersection of LaPorte (Hwy 2) and Hwy 49.
thank you but now that i am a big boy i can google for myself these days ;)
I think it's more the HL than Valpo deciding not to air the exhibition games. No team's exhibition games are being streamed on the HL Network at least.
That's because teams don't want their preseason games streamed, not for any other reason.
Anyone know who Keith carter will be facing in his first game?
Quote from: Valpofan00 on October 27, 2013, 12:37:08 PMAnyone know who Keith carter will be facing in his first game?
It will be at the Central Florida tournament in Orlando, FL against Southeastern University of Lakeland,FL on Saturday, Dec. 21st at 5:30 p.m. CST. The next afternoon Keith will get his first real test when the Crusaders take on Central Florida on the UCF home court on Sunday, Dec.22nd (less than 24 hours later) at 1:30 p.m. CST. If you're a Bears fan it will be around halftime of the Bears at Eagles game that Sunday, Dec. 22nd. which starts at noon CST.
Quote from: chef on October 27, 2013, 12:32:42 AM
That's because teams don't want their preseason games streamed, not for any other reason.
Interesting. I was looking at the Milwaukee schedule today and noticed that the Panthers show their exhibition game against Marian University as being shown on HLN.
http://www.uwmpanthers.com/sports/m-baskbl/wiml-m-baskbl-body.html (http://www.uwmpanthers.com/sports/m-baskbl/wiml-m-baskbl-body.html)
Thursday, Oct 31
OPP/EVENT TIME COVERAGE
vs Marian (EXHIBITION) 7:00 PM gametracker | Watch On HLNFriday, Nov 8
OPP/EVENT TIME COVERAGE
at Loyola 7:00 PM
Monday, Nov 11
OPP/EVENT TIME COVERAGE
at Davidson 6:00 PM
Friday, Nov 15
OPP/EVENT TIME COVERAGE
vs San Jose State 5:30 PM
Saturday, Nov 16
OPP/EVENT TIME COVERAGE
vs James Madison 5:30 PM
Quote from: bbtds on October 27, 2013, 11:43:41 PMInteresting. I was looking at the Milwaukee schedule today and noticed that the Panthers show their exhibition game against Marian University as being shown on HLN.
Well they probably want their fans to have the opportunity to watch their team win a game. ;D
Quote from: classof2014 on October 28, 2013, 10:05:14 AMWell they probably want their fans to have the opportunity to watch their team win a game.
ZING
(http://www.zing.myewebsite.com/img/mid/22/funny-20cat-20photo039.gif.jpg)
Quote from: bbtds on October 27, 2013, 11:43:41 PMI was looking at the Milwaukee schedule today and noticed that the Panthers show their exhibition game against Marian University as being shown on HLN.
This must be Todd Lickliter and Rob Jeter renewing their friendship from their Horizon League days.
I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see Vashil play on Saturday. Saw him with a wrist brace on, nothing major was just one of those simple braces that you can buy at Walgreens. So I wouldn't be surprised to not see him play more due to the fact that it's a meaningless game and no need to risk further injuring his wrist.
Like I said don't think it's major or will effect the season at all but I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't play this weekend in a meaningless game.
Quote from: historyman on October 30, 2013, 12:37:43 PM
Quote from: bbtds on October 27, 2013, 11:43:41 PMI was looking at the Milwaukee schedule today and noticed that the Panthers show their exhibition game against Marian University as being shown on HLN.
This must be Todd Lickliter and Rob Jeter renewing their friendship from their Horizon League days.
I really don't think Lickliter and Jeter had much mutual respect for each other from their Horizon League days. And especially not Lickliter and Bruce Pearl.
Anyways, Milwaukee is playing Marian of Fond du Lac, WI and not the Marian Knights of Indianapolis.
Since the real season gets underway on 11/8... here's where we stand with some over counts ... not a lot of major milestones pending...
Games Played: 2,392 (#2400 will be the game with Mercer in the ARC on 11/29)
Wins: 1,243
Losses: 1,149
Total Points: VU 151,348 Opponents: 149,448 (diff. 1,900)
Since the Lutheran's purchased VU...
Games Played: 2,252
Wins: 1,141
Losses: 1,111
Total Points: VU 147,449 Opponents: 146,533 (Diff 916)
Since Turning D1 (1997)
Games Played: 1,073
Wins: 541
Losses: 532
Total Points: VU 74,899 Opponents: 75,009 (Diff -110)
Since the ARC Opened 1984
Games: 391 at home 388 on the road 108 Neutral Site games
Wins: 276 at home (70.6%) 143 on the road (36.9%) 61 Neutral Site Wins (56.5%)
Losses: 115 at home 245 on the road 47 Neutral Site Losses
Since joining the Horizon League (HL Games Only)
Games 106
Wins: 63
Losses 43
Total Points: VU 7,238 Opponents: 7,035
Since Bryce became our coach:
Games Played: 68
Wins: 48
Losses: 20
Total Points: VU 4,743 Opponents: 4,342
For Kicks:
Homer Drew as coach: VU average points per game: 71.61 Overall W/L % 54.88 371 - 305
Scott Drew as coach: VU average points per game: 70.77 Overall W/L % 64.52 20 - 11
Bryce Drew as coach: VU average points per game: 69.75 Overall W/L % 70.59 48 - 20
Quote from: talksalot on October 30, 2013, 04:58:17 PMFor Kicks:
Homer Drew as coach: VU average points per game: 71.61 Overall W/L % 54.88 371 - 305
Scott Drew as coach: VU average points per game: 70.77 Overall W/L % 64.52 20 - 11
Bryce Drew as coach: VU average points per game: 69.75 Overall W/L % 70.59 48 - 20
Bring back 'Run and Gun' Homer!!!
Let the memes continue:
(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7878481920/h4799FCD6/)
and nobody caught the "1997" that should be "1977" for the D1 start... the info is right, My fingers just can't type.
Quote from: talksalot on October 31, 2013, 04:53:24 PMand nobody caught the "1997" that should be "1977" for the D1 start.
i caught it, i just didn't know enough to correct it.
thanks for the cornucopia of numbers.
Alec Peters named Horizon League Freshman of the Week!
Way to go Alec ... From what I've seen - you deserve it.
Quote from: valpopal on November 11, 2013, 04:33:43 PM
Alec Peters named Horizon League Freshman of the Week!
Here's the link to the story from the command central:
http://www.horizonleague.org/blog/ysus-perry-valpos-peters-collect-mens-basketball-honors.html (http://www.horizonleague.org/blog/ysus-perry-valpos-peters-collect-mens-basketball-honors.html)
Congratulations Alec!
The HL is currently 11-20 against D1 opponents...
Any guesses on what the conference RPI will end up this year? I have heard many people on this board talk about the "strength" of the horizon league this year. How strong is it going to be? Wright St. is dealing with injuries and suspensions. Oakland is dealing with suspensions. UIC and Detroit appear to be in complete rebuilding mode. Valpo and Cleveland State are still young and inexperienced and will not likely realize their potential until conference season begins.
I am curious how we will stack up RPI wise against other mid-major conferences. Being in the top 15 every year is a definite recruiting advantage. Hopefully everyone can start picking up some more wins to ensure that happens.
right now we're 20.
rpiforecast expects us to end up 13th though.
http://www.rpiforecast.com/confs/Horz.html (http://www.rpiforecast.com/confs/Horz.html)
I've predicted that the winner of the HL will be a 15 seed because the non conference schedules of the top teams are terrible and every team will inevitably drop a couple of bad games. Combine that with the fact there isn't a clear front runner and you'll end up with a conference winner that lost 5 or 6 conference games.
Meet Alec Peters: interview and three-point shooting—
Valpo All-Access: Alec Peters 11|22|13 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diPC9LNAkdI#ws)
Quote from: a3uge on November 21, 2013, 11:31:00 AM
I've predicted that the winner of the HL will be a 15 seed because the non conference schedules of the top teams are terrible and every team will inevitably drop a couple of bad games. Combine that with the fact there isn't a clear front runner and you'll end up with a conference winner that lost 5 or 6 conference games.
I agree. Well, that, and none of the teams in the Mid Con are actually that good.
Alec Peters named Horizon League Freshman of the Week for the second time this season already. Lexus Williams named a top performer of the week.
Alec:
"Valparaiso (3-3) split its games on the week falling to Evansville on the road 100-92 and defeating James Madison at home 81-49. The victory over James Madison was Valparaiso's largest versus a Division I opponent since an identical 81-49 win over Toledo on Dec. 12, 2009.
"Peters recorded two double digit performances for the Crusaders highlighted by a 30 point outing at Evansville. His 30 points was the most by a Valparaiso freshman in 13 years, the last coming in 2000 by Raitis Grafs. Peters added 15 points in the win over James Madison and went 14-of-25 in field goals while being a perfect 8-8 on the line over the course of the two games."
Lexus:
"Made first career start Saturday against James Madison, hitting 5-of-7 for 12 points. At Evansville, he had eight points and four assists off of the bench."
http://www.horizonleague.org/blog/green-bays-brown-valparaisos-peters-collect-mens-basketball-honors (http://www.horizonleague.org/blog/green-bays-brown-valparaisos-peters-collect-mens-basketball-honors)
Such is the nature at the beginning of the season, that the HL is now 11th in RPI, with the Summit 27th:
http://www.realtimerpi.com/rpi_horiz_Men.html (http://www.realtimerpi.com/rpi_horiz_Men.html)
Brown has a triple double against a totally outmanned DIII team where he towers over everyone else, and he's "awarded" HL POW. Who in the world makes this call? Is it voted on? HL office?
I was wondering that same thing. Are FR not going to be eligible for the POW because they created this separate category? Alec Brown is not as good as some always make him seem...
I typically agree with the PoW awards but giving Brown the award is absolutely ridiculous. They beat up on DIII Minnesota-Duluth. while Alec Peters scored 30 and 15 and almost single handily brought us back in the Evansville game. I understand Brown had a triple double but it was against a DIII school but honestly who cares?
Quote from: classof2014 on November 25, 2013, 05:21:28 PM
I typically agree with the PoW awards but giving Brown the award is absolutely ridiculous. They beat up on DIII Minnesota-Duluth. while Alec Peters scored 30 and 15 and almost single handily brought us back in the Evansville game. I understand Brown had a triple double but it was against a DIII school but honestly who cares?
I agree. The fact that those awards are given out without enough thought given to the process for choosing the winners makes those awards useless. I'd rather the HL office not bother with it.
I wondered about the D-3 designation, so I checked into it as well. They are apparently D-2, not that it makes it any better for the POW award.
Maybe the HL office is trying to prop up another NBA talent with unjustified awards like they did with Ray Jr...
Quote from: valpotx on November 25, 2013, 05:38:58 PM
I wondered about the D-3 designation, so I checked into it as well. They are apparently D-2, not that it makes it any better for the POW award.
Let's see if we can make it a little worse than it already seems on the surface:
- This was an exhibition game for Duluth, not even a real game.
- Duluth's 2 tallest players are 6-7. One of them didn't play and the other only played 8 minutes. Their tallest player for the other 32 minutes was 6-6. It would be interesting to know if Brown actually had to jump to get any of his 10 blocks or his puny 10 rebounds.
- Brown played 31 minutes, despite GB having a 22-point halftime lead. He had the most minutes of any player on either team.
- No Duluth starter played more than 26 minutes.
- Despite a 6" height advantage, Brown only shot 5-14 from the field. He was also a mediocre 5-8 from the FT line for a whopping total of 15 points.
Congratulations YMCA player of the week Alec Brown!
Quote from: bbtds on November 25, 2013, 05:37:47 PM
I agree. The fact that those awards are given out without enough thought given to the process for choosing the winners makes those awards useless. I'd rather the HL office not bother with it.
I agree ... these awards have been total BS. Except the ones awarded to Valpo guys ... those were legit.
Still waiting to hear who made the decision to award HL POW to someone playing a completely undermanned D-2 opponent in what was for them a freaking practice game!
While I'm at it, wardle is an a-hole for keeping Brown in so long, and a bigger a-hole yet for submitting for POW consideration a player's only performance of the week against an undersized, outmanned D2 playing a practice game. He must feel like he owes Brown big time for saving his job. Thank God we didn't lose to that knucklehead in last year's semi's.
Quote from: EddieCabot on November 25, 2013, 08:53:27 PM
Quote from: bbtds on November 25, 2013, 05:37:47 PM
I agree. The fact that those awards are given out without enough thought given to the process for choosing the winners makes those awards useless. I'd rather the HL office not bother with it.
I agree ... these awards have been total BS. Except the ones awarded to Valpo guys ... those were legit.
No, the HL awards are about as bogus as your comment and wh's comments about Brown. I'd rather you and wh not bother.
I have said the same thing many times, which is probably why he chose the name Eddie Cabot from Reservoir Dogs
Why not ask the HL to change it to "Candidates for PoW could ONLY QUALIFY if the numbers come against NCAA D-1 opponents"?
Congrats to Lexus Williams on being named FoW! Valpo is 3 of 4 for FoW honors. Peters has 2 and Williams with 1, Oakland's Felder is the only other freshman to be the FoW.
Bobby was noted as a top performer. Overall the Valpo freshmen class is gonna dominate the FoW honors this year.
Your Horizon League Freshman of the Week, Lexus Williams:Congratulations!
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Bobby Capobianco: a Horizon League Top Performer of the Week: Congratulations!
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Nice article on Jubril in the NWI Times. Had no clue the his plus minus on the season is +84 which is absolutely astonishing.
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/stats-don-t-tell-full-story-of-vapo-s-adekoya/article_f34a335c-983f-5d70-865b-4c7e0d66eb88.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/stats-don-t-tell-full-story-of-vapo-s-adekoya/article_f34a335c-983f-5d70-865b-4c7e0d66eb88.html)
Great interview with Lexus Williams after he won Freshman of the Week:
http://www.horizonleague.org/sports/mens-basketball (http://www.horizonleague.org/sports/mens-basketball)
Click on featured videos.
LaVonte Dority, a Horizon League Top Performer of the Week: Congratulations!
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Congratulations to Alec Peters, named Horizon League Freshman of the Week for the third time!
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they should just rename it the Alec Peters award and give the other kids a chance.
Congratulations to Alec for being named Horizon League Player of the Week by College Sports Madness:
http://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/8166 (http://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/8166)
It's amazing how obvious the right selection is to an organization not driven by a political agenda of "steering" the choice to specific HL players and programs to serve the "greater good."
Quote from: wh on December 16, 2013, 11:18:52 AMCongratulations to Alec for being named Horizon League Player of the Week by College Sports Madness: http://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/8166 (http://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/8166) It's amazing how obvious the right selection is to an organization not driven by a political agenda of "steering" the choice to specific HL players and programs to serve the "greater good."
Right now they have Milwaukee on the 14 line. That'd be pretty good for them and a decent sign if one of the HL's top schools win it.
Absolute crap that he only received FOTW from the HL. What a joke...
Quote from: valpotx on December 16, 2013, 06:42:19 PM
Absolute crap that he only received FOTW from the HL. What a joke...
To defend the HL and their decision, Barlow was 2 assists away from a triple double and it was to a legitimate D1 program not like Alec Brown's triple double against a DII program. So he was deserving.
Quote from: classof2014 on December 16, 2013, 06:55:05 PM
Quote from: valpotx on December 16, 2013, 06:42:19 PM
Absolute crap that he only received FOTW from the HL. What a joke...
To defend the HL and their decision, Barlow was 2 assists away from a triple double and it was to a legitimate D1 program not like Alec Brown's triple double against a DII program. So he was deserving.
I respectfully disagree. Here's Barlow's game stats that the announcement failed to mention:
-- 6 TO's (tied for the 2nd most TO's in a game by any HL player this year)
-- 8-21 from the field (38%)
-- 1-7 from 3 (14%)
-- 21 shots to score 21 points (no explanation necessary)
-- played all 40 minutes
In contrast, the same stats for Alec:
-- 3 TO's
-- 9-16 from the field (56%)
-- 4-7 from 3 (57%)
-- 16 shots to score 30 points
-- played 36 minutes
-- 8 rebounds (2 away from a 30 and 10 double/double)
Anyone who knows anything about basketball should be able to easily see that Alec's total performance is by far superior to Barlow's.
I do agree that Alec's performance was better but I can see why they picked Barlow and it's much better than pick Alec Brown for having a triple-double by against a D2 school. I see the HL's reasoning behind their pick though. Perhaps Alec has a few more 30 point games in him this season to finally get the recognition he deserves.
Take a look at Duke Mondy's stats versus Michigan State:
Mondy, Duke......... g 10-17 3-5 1-1 1 5 6 4 24 3 3 0 7 40
That's 10 for 17, 3 of 5 from the 3, 1 for 1 on free throws, 6 boards, 3 tos and 3 assts and 7 steals!! That's after 7 steals against Indiana. We had better watch out for this guy. Certainly a POW candidate.
Quote from: vu72 on December 16, 2013, 08:15:55 PM
Take a look at Duke Mondy's stats versus Michigan State:
Mondy, Duke......... g 10-17 3-5 1-1 1 5 6 4 24 3 3 0 7 40
That's 10 for 17, 3 of 5 from the 3, 1 for 1 on free throws, 6 boards, 3 tos and 3 assts and 7 steals!! That's after 7 steals against Indiana. We had better watch out for this guy. Certainly a POW candidate.
Actually it was against Michigan State, which makes it even more impressive against a top 5 team.
Yeah, if they picked Mondy I would have been cool with that, because great game against a very good team (and great if they had Gary Harris suit up).
But 21 points on 21 shots...over 30 points on 16 shots? If the stats were reversed, I'd be embarrassed that we won. But at least UIC won't get shut out of everything this year.
Poor Hayden Humes, btw.
As we await the appearance of Carter in the lineup, I have been looking at the team's stats thus far and comparing with last year's final stats. Although some things may change when we get to conference play that could alter stats a bit, the out of conference schedule this year is much tougher than last year; therefore, we might be able to see some indications in the stats anyway.
Compared to last years' final stats, as of now this year's team: scoring more points; shooting a higher field goal percentage, a higher 3-point percentage, and a higher free throw percentage; pulling down more rebounds per game. On defense, this year's team is holding opponents to a lower field goal percentage and a lower 3-point percentage, though total opponents scoring is higher (possibly due to the increased number of foul shots and the new rules limiting defense).
As of right now, Valpo is #1 in the conference in scoring, field goal percent, 3-point percent, field goal percent on defense, and rebounding margin.
Considering this was regarded by many as a rebuilding year, it appears the term "reloading" seemed more appropriate, and acknowledging the greater maturity or experience of last year's team, I think we have to be pleased with what we are seeing so far, especially without Carter thus far and as the freshmen gain more experience all the time. The team could/should surprise many around the league who had predicted a poor year for the Crusaders.
Not say it's gonna happen but there is not one game left on this schedule that we don't have a good chance of winning. There have been times the defense completely shut a team down and when the offense is clicking its best in the HL.
The difference between this year's team and last year's team is our athleticism. When we go with Bobby at the 5, we're a threat to score from every anywhere on the court. I think the addition of Moussa has been huge defensively. He's a terrific rebounder and has completely taken away inside shot. He's also been huge on the offensive glass giving us second chances.
I wouldn't be shocked if we go 14-2 in conference play. We get KC, who from what some said might be the best player in the HL, add him to a team that is already playing at a high level and he can put us over the edge. I don't know what type of defender he is but if he can shut down guys like Sykes and Perry, we have something really special.
Great offense + Great Defense = Success
Quote from: classof2014 on December 17, 2013, 10:17:25 AMI don't know what type of defender he is but if he can shut down guys like Sykes and Perry, we have something really special.
I think it will be interesting to see how he plays defense for VU. I am not sure that our style really compares to what he has been most familiar with from his high school days. Proviso East played what we use to call Helter Skelter, a man defense that involved extreme ball pressure with the guards trapping at almost every opportunity. Awareness by the other defenders is key as they must rotate properly and cover the passing lanes. PE created a ton of turnovers and got lots of break out points off those turnovers. Their offense really was their defense. This experience may help him when we are in the amoeba zone. From the video that I have seen he
definitely can stay in front of his man, but will have the tendency to go for the steal and probably make a few of them :)
Looking at the Real Time RPI Predictions...the update through games yesterday....
GBay 15-1 (lone loss at Cleveland State)
Clev 11-5
WrSt 9-7
Valp 8-8
Oakl 8-8
Milw 8-8
Youn 8-8
UDM 5-11
UIC 0-16
RPI Predictions for Saturday:
Valpo 77-72 over UWM
Young 84-69 over UDM
GBay 80-73 over Wright State (tonight)
GBay 86-69 over UIC on Sunday
Clev 83-67 over Wright on Sunday
OAK is off until Wednesday
In your guys opinion....what do you think is better for valpo? If wright state wins of Green Bay??
Quote from: Valpofan00 on January 17, 2014, 06:23:56 PM
In your guys opinion....what do you think is better for valpo? If wright state wins of Green Bay??
My guys are out of the country at the moment, but when they return I'll pass your question on to them.
WSU, they are the home team and have the worse conference record right?
Yeah, but if you were feeling cocky, you might say root for GB because we haven't lost to them yet--we have 2 chances to hang Ls on them and only one with WSU :)
GB-79 WSU-69
I watched enough of the game on ESPNU to reach the conclusion that we could be able to beat them here if we can just talk Wardle into spottin us 15 or 20 points.
I suppose a WSU loss keeps that 2 seed closer in reach
Wright State just Beat CSU at Wolstein... 49-46... and with 14:45 to go at the Pavilion... UIC 47-42 over Green Bay!
I'm watching the G.B. UIC game right now. Brown is the real deal and will win POY. Sykes is explosive.
I think Lexus's speed will annoy Sykes and Carter's hands will pick up a couple turnovers. Brown doesn't spend much time on the bench. He can post up and hit 3's. Would it be better to play an under size center (Bobby) and get physical with him? Or do you put Moussa and Vashil's length on him?
2:29 to play... and the Ooop to Sykes finally ties it up at 63. and UIC misses two free throws on the return trip down the court.... LETS GO FLAMES!
The Flames again extinguish themselves... down 3 with 12 seconds to play... gave up a steal and a sykes dunk... time to switch over the Pats-Bronchos... too bad... it had promise...
I thought Green Bay was the real deal but im not so sure anymore. My honest opinion now after seeing them going to OT with Milwaukee and barely hanging to UIC because of UIC's stupid mistakes is that they are overrated also that any team can win on any given day. If we shut down Sykes or Brown we will win the game. The Horizon League is stacked from top to bottom. Go Valpo!
Stacked from top to bottom with mediocre teams.
There's talk that green bay could get an at-large bid if they clear the table but drop one in conference tournament. The league will probably have another player selected in the 2nd round for the second straight year. Not bad for a mid major conference. Out of conference play could have been better but rpi of the HL will be the same maybe a spot lower than last year.
LaVonte Dority named Horizon League co-Player of the Week (with Brown) and Lexus Williams named Horizon League Freshman of the Week: Congrats to both!
http://www.horizonleague.org/blog/green-bays-brown-valpos-dority-williams-tabbed-for-hlmbb-honors.html (http://www.horizonleague.org/blog/green-bays-brown-valpos-dority-williams-tabbed-for-hlmbb-honors.html)
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Lets hope they can play as well in Ohio where Horizon league championship's are won or lost. ;)
FWIW -- Just noticed that the St. Louis Billikens are now 17-2 and ranked #20 in the latest USAToday coaches poll. Kinda comforting to know that we barely lost to them in the ARC December 7th on a buzzer beater 65-67. They could have been 16-3 and maybe NR at this point. Oh, well.
HL Weekly video (with lots of good Valpo stuff):
http://www.horizonleague.org (http://www.horizonleague.org)
LaVonte Dority named Horizon League Player of the Week for the second time in three weeks!
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if he keeps this pace up they'll simply rename the award for him.
Clay Yeo has been named the Horizon League "Freshman of the Week." He is the third member of our freshman class to receive this honor. We have a lot to anticipate the next few years!
Congratulations to Clay!
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Congrats to Alec Peters also for being named an Horizon League "Top Performer of the Week"!
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Quote from: valpopal on February 10, 2014, 10:31:27 AM
Clay Yeo has been named the Horizon League "Freshman of the Week." He is the third member of our freshman class to receive this honor. We have a lot to anticipate the next few years!
Congratulations to Clay!
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6th time in 14 weeks that a Valpo Freshman has won the award (3 by Peters, 2 by Williams, 1 by Yeo). Also, the only team with multiple players.
So can Valpo just win the Newcomer of the Year award? Unfortunately I don't think we've had any one player stand out so that will hurt Lexus's and Alec's chances at the award. Kahlil Felder is my pick to win it, in a landslide. He's been tearing up the conference season and leads ALL players in assists per game by nearly 2 assists.
I imagine that they will base that award on the conference season? Alec hasn't done as well in conference, except the last 2 games.
Both Lexus and Alec have a shot at the FoY award. I think a lot depends on where Valpo finishes in the standings. If Alec finds his early season form and has another 30 point outburst he might just win the award.
As well if Valpo finishes in the top 3, I think that gives both Alec and Lexus an advantage over Oakland's Felder. Since it looks like Oakland might finish 8th. Also how many of Felder's assists came on passes to Bader? They also have a fast paced offense, which leads to his increased assists and points.
Not trying to take anything away from Felder because he along with our FOUR stellar freshman will be the face of the league in another year or two. Coming in to the season, I knew this freshmen class would either make or break Valpo's future in basketball. Last years team was a stepping-stone. And it looks like this core group of freshmen might bring Valpo into college basketball stardom in another two years.
Crazy to think we have a legitimate shot at first place and we start 3 freshmen and play 4 on a regular basis (so I would imagine if Clay stays healthy). Compare that to GB and CSU, who are more veteran team. It would be interesting to see if we play the most freshmen percentage wise compared to other teams in the HL.
Quote from: classof2014 on February 12, 2014, 01:43:50 PM
Crazy to think we have a legitimate shot at first place and we start 3 freshmen and play 4 on a regular basis (so I would imagine if Clay stays healthy). Compare that to GB and CSU, who are more veteran team. It would be interesting to see if we play the most freshmen percentage wise compared to other teams in the HL.
Not that hard to look up (for me at least).
Stats by Freshmen (During conference play)
| Team | Players | GP | MIN | REB | AST | STL | BLK | PTS |
| VALPO | 5 | 44 | 879 | 127 | 63 | 23 | 8 | 273 |
| DET | 2 | 22 | 509 | 63 | 29 | 19 | 7 | 156 |
| OAK | 2 | 12 | 384 | 41 | 79 | 10 | 1 | 145 |
| UIC | 3 | 22 | 301 | 20 | 15 | 8 | 1 | 79 |
| UWGB | 3 | 22 | 272 | 44 | 9 | 12 | 10 | 68 |
| YSU | 4 | 29 | 138 | 16 | 14 | 8 | 3 | 34 |
| UWM | 1 | 10 | 92 | 6 | 3 | 2 | 0 | 26 |
| WSU | 2 | 9 | 44 | 7 | 4 | 5 | 3 | 8 |
| CSU | 1 | 5 | 24 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 1 |
I want to point out a few things.
1. Cleveland and Wright have been led by non-freshman, quite obviously. Milwaukee's Cody Wichmann has played ~10 minutes per game, but does very little else.
2. Youngstown's freshman actually play the least amount of minutes per game and only one, Marcus Keene, averages 2+ ppg.
3. Oakland has 2 freshmen who have played, but Jalen Hayes, has only played 1 minutes this season. He obviously did nothing in that 1 minute of play. That means Felder is out assisting every team's freshmen totals.
4. Detroit's freshmen are basically split even for every statistic this season. It's really odd how similar they are.
5. Obviously we've got the most minutes with 5 freshmen playing and 3 of those playing 20+ MPG. Oakland actually has the most MPG with 32, and if you took out their 1 min in 1 game, they are up to 34.8. Detroit is second with 23.1 and we're 3rd with 20.0
6. 5 teams have a freshmen who play 10+ MPG: Valpo (3), Detroit (2), UIC (2), Oakland (1) and GB (1).
That's great stuff--thanks for the analysis, K!
I agree that we won't win the award because of overall excellence, but I'd rather have a Frosh Five than the FoY any day.
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/ (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/)
For some reason, this poll is incorrectly listing this year's best college team in Indiana.
ISU 17, ND 14, IU 12, VU 10. Etc.
Could we maybe do something about that? ;)
Anyone else finding it funny that the A-10 is predicted to have 6 teams, the American have 5 teams, and the Big East have 3 teams in the NCAA tourney? I know that the money was better for 'those who shall not be named' to join the Big East, but in the first year, it appears these other conferences have come off better than their current conference :).
http://espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology (http://espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology)
Another interesting seed that Lunardi projects is Dayton as a #12 in a play-in game. The play-in (first round) games have taken place on Dayton's home floor ever since they were started a few years back. Would the NCAA allow Dayton to play another 12 seed (in Lunardi's projection it would be Arkansas) on their home floor in the big dance?
Quote from: valpotx on March 10, 2014, 05:02:17 PM
Anyone else finding it funny that the A-10 is predicted to have 6 teams, the American have 5 teams, and the Big East have 3 teams in the NCAA tourney? I know that the money was better for 'those who shall not be named' to join the Big East, but in the first year, it appears these other conferences have come off better than their current conference :).
http://espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology (http://espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology)
I'm not all that surprised about the American. It has most of the basketball powerhouses from the old Big East who have maintained their prominence. What is telling about the new Big East is that only 2 of 3 teams were part of the Big East "pre-breakup." The new Big East is obviously just a shadow of its former self.
Quote from: wh on March 10, 2014, 07:31:03 PM
Quote from: valpotx on March 10, 2014, 05:02:17 PM
Anyone else finding it funny that the A-10 is predicted to have 6 teams, the American have 5 teams, and the Big East have 3 teams in the NCAA tourney? I know that the money was better for 'those who shall not be named' to join the Big East, but in the first year, it appears these other conferences have come off better than their current conference :).
http://espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology (http://espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology)
I'm not all that surprised about the American. It has most of the basketball powerhouses from the old Big East who have maintained their prominence. What is telling about the new Big East is that only 2 of 3 teams were part of the Big East "pre-breakup." The new Big East is obviously just a shadow of its former self.
Big East only #4 RPI conference after being #2 last year, so definitely worse. A-10 is very good, as they were last year when Butler was a #5 seed for the A-10 tourney and a #6 for the NCAA tourney.
The American does lose Louisville after this year and rumblings are that Cincinnati and UConn want out. If they can keep those two, they'll still have some good teams at the top, but the bottom isn't good at all.
Quote from: zvillehaze on March 10, 2014, 08:42:06 PM
Quote from: wh on March 10, 2014, 07:31:03 PM
Quote from: valpotx on March 10, 2014, 05:02:17 PM
Anyone else finding it funny that the A-10 is predicted to have 6 teams, the American have 5 teams, and the Big East have 3 teams in the NCAA tourney? I know that the money was better for 'those who shall not be named' to join the Big East, but in the first year, it appears these other conferences have come off better than their current conference :).
http://espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology (http://espn.go.com/ncb/bracketology)
I'm not all that surprised about the American. It has most of the basketball powerhouses from the old Big East who have maintained their prominence. What is telling about the new Big East is that only 2 of 3 teams were part of the Big East "pre-breakup." The new Big East is obviously just a shadow of its former self.
Big East only #4 RPI conference after being #2 last year, so definitely worse. A-10 is very good, as they were last year when Butler was a #5 seed for the A-10 tourney and a #6 for the NCAA tourney.
The American does lose Louisville after this year and rumblings are that Cincinnati and UConn want out. If they can keep those two, they'll still have some good teams at the top, but the bottom isn't good at all.
The MW only sending a pair instead of 5 last year is surprising...
Keep in mind most the conference shuffling had very little to do with basketball. The football playoff system created instability everywhere, causing schools to flee from the old big east to power football conferences, which lead to the old big east to form a more basketball focused conference. The old big east became the old CUSA basically, adopting more of a football focus. The old big east (American) will lose members over time and gain current CUSA members, while the new big east will gain members like SLU, VCU, Dayton over time. Even though the committee is handing them less bids this year, they're stable and positioned better than the American for basketball.
Saying the Big East is a shell of its former self is misleading... It is, but the shell is the American Conference. The new big east is a brand new conference.
With the NCAA tournament ending this week, and the VU players looking forward to next year already engaged in workouts to better themselves, I thought I'd offer a few final comments about the season. First, the team performed close to expectations, if not better. Their closing standing in the conference was a little above preseason projections, and the inconsistencies anticipated by a team heavily depending on freshmen came about just as foreseen. [By the way, the final conference ratings were released this week, and the Horizon League ranked 12th, which was as expected. We have to remember that with the Big East split and adding of the American Athletic Conference, there was one more automatically ahead of us this year.]
On the other hand, those freshmen exhibited more skill and more maturity at times than most expected. Peters displayed why he will be a top player in the league. Williams surprised many with his advanced ability to handle the ball, and he certainly scored more than he was expected to do in his first year. Adekoya showed strength and a willingness to rebound with bigger guys in the paint, though his performance seemed to vary from game to game. When healthy, Yeo was a pleasure to watch on the court. He hasn't yet had the consistent health to present his full talents, and one hopes he will have that chance next year. Davidson's game is a work in progress, as the off-season could help him strengthen and gain confidence. In the preseason, I don't know if anyone could have predicted that 3 of our freshmen would win conference Freshman of the Week honors.
The senior class showed sparks at times, and they had the difficulty of following a stellar senior group from the previous year, but overall their output was not what had been desired. However, Dority's summer of hard work paid off with a terrific season that excelled beyond preseason polls, which did not even include his name on all-conference first or second teams. (One hopes his efforts in the off-season will serve as a model for the young players returning next year.)
The complete performer that Keith Carter promises to be has yet to be witnessed, and he could be a much improved player when he gets to play a full season. Fingers are crossed that Nickerson heals quickly and completely from his surgery and gets some training time during the end of the summer to be in shape for the new season. Fernandez grew more confident and more assertive as the season moved toward its close, and he could be an even more pleasant surprise next year. Due to health concerns, Chadwick's status apparently remains questionable.
The two Canadian players arriving in the fall have been kept mostly under the radar, but some very good reports about their play have increased curiosity and optimism. They will be a mystery until the new season is upon us. Another mystery remains in who Bryce will be able to obtain as a big man to add to the roster, most likely through graduate transfer, overseas, or JUCO ranks. That player could be the wild card for the upcoming year.
Speaking of Bryce: after losing an entire starting rotation (plus some) from the previous season, he and the coaching staff did a pretty good job of managing to place on the court a competitive team that was more than a "rebuilding" squad. In fact, during much of the season the team had to be considered in contention for the league lead or at least a bye in the conference tourney. Only at the end—perhaps because of the lack of experience in maintaining play for a full season by some—did the team falter. I also would give the coaching staff good marks for developing the freshmen and providing them a lot more court time than some expected. This should pay dividends in the future, and that future looks to be interesting for fans.
My final team picture for the 2013-2014 season:
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Fantastic photographic work as is now expected from you!! A very fair assessment of the past season as well. When you think that we almost beat St. Louis, who was a top 20 team and almost beat Mercer, who beat Duke in the tourney, the future is indeed bright. I would add the performance of Keith Carter at the end of the season showed some of the stuff we will see on a regular basis in the future. For me the biggest surprises were Williams, who flew under the radar while all the talk was about the other freshman, and Vashil, who made a giant leap from the previous year. If that continues, he will have a great senior year.
Pal,
Great summary and picture! One of the frustrating things as a fan is the up-and-down nature of the season. By my count, there were about 10-11 games where, if we had played up to potential, we could have won. The games at home and in the league really brought home how close this team could have been. I can only imagine how frustrating these things are to the coaches.
I look forward to the upcoming offseason, as I think this team is talented and with a few more key players gained during this offseason could be special next year.
I have found Bobby Capobianco to always be well-spoken. His post-game comments were usually thoughtful and well articulated. Like others on many of the Valpo teams, he has been a good representative and a credit to the coaches who bring in fine young men and women to the university as student athletes.
Therefore, on Easter, I pass along a moving message by Bobby Capobianco in this video shown today, filmed for his church about the transfer he made to Valpo, as well as transitions in his life and faith: Bobby Capobianco on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/92043316)
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As we have ended all sports for the 2013-2014 year and the summer lull is upon us, I thought this might be a good time to remind everyone that all my photos of Valpo sports during the last year are available at my sports photography web page.
Many of these personal pictures were taken specifically for sharing at the Valpo Fan Zone, and I began the new web page at the end of last May to keep from cluttering this site, as well as to be an archive for review at any time. Though I am not officially affiliated with Valparaiso University Athletics, I am thankful to the Valpo Athletics folks for their assistance and comments of support throughout the year, as well as the appreciation expressed to me by many (administrators, coaches, players) for the audience found at the Valpo Fan Zone.
Therefore, in a sense, this is an anniversary of one full year for the web page, which currently includes 1,640 photos—a majority of them focused on basketball, but various other sports included as well. While we wait for a new season of sports to resume, feel free to take a moment to browse these images of the past year: enjoy! https://www.flickr.com/photos/96208998@N05/sets/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/96208998@N05/sets/)