Milwaukee 18-13, 7-9 Horizon
Valpo 18-14, 9-7 Horizon
Logistics:
Time - 8:30 CT
Place - Resch Center, Ashwaubenon, Wisconsin
Season Series - Valpo 2 Milwaukee 0
Line - Valpo -3.5
TV - Horizon League Network
Stream Link - http://www.horizonleague.org/live/11244 (http://www.horizonleague.org/live/11244)
TV Half Time Entertainment - 10 minute Lavonte Dority "FAMILY" spot
Valpo's Record When I Start Game Day Threads - (1-0)
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Anyone else going?
Quote from: a3uge on March 06, 2014, 11:38:40 AMTV Half Time Entertainment - 10 minute Lavonte Dority "FAMILY" spot
You are on a roll lately, dude. Cap is off!
VALPO BY 12
I think that this one will be closer. Hopefully Arians and Jordan keep up their crap play vs. Valpo, and we keep Tiby to less than 10 FT attempts:
Valpo 71
Milwaukee 64
Milwaukee 65
Valpo 69
Valpo will be the designated home team due to VU having the #4 seed and UWM having the #5 seed. It will be interesting to see which team has more fans at the game. It should be fairly even.
I see Alec and LVD's will to move on in the tourney and getting another shot at Green Bay winning out slightly in this one. It will be a tight game to the very end but those 2 VU players will find a way to pull it out, especially on a neutral court.
Quote from: historyman on March 06, 2014, 02:17:22 PM
Milwaukee 65
Valpo 69
Valpo will be the designated home team due to VU having the #4 seed and UWM having the #5 seed. It will be interesting to see which team has more fans at the game. It should be fairly even.
I see Alec and LVD's will to move on in the tourney and getting another shot at Green Bay winning out slightly in this one. It will be a tight game to the very end but those 2 VU players will find a way to pull it out, especially on a neutral court.
UWM fans barely attend games in Milwaukee, let alone a neutral site game 2 hours away. Should be pretty dead.
When I called the ticket office to add on 2 tickets to my initial order, the lady guessed my name, which indicates they're not getting too many fans in the Valpo block, which is understandable. Valpo always has a huge showing in Milwaukee (especially the tourney games in 09), but Green Bay might be a stretch.
We seem to own UWM lately, but I think if the refs allow for a physical game and swallow the whistle, we could be in for a quick exit. We can't seem to win those games.
Line has moved to Valpo -4.5. Started at -2.5. Must've been those two extra tickets I got.
I will say Valpo by 6. For whatever reason we have owned them the past handful of times. Let's hope we stay hot vs Milwaukee.
Quote from: a3uge on March 06, 2014, 03:04:58 PMUWM fans barely attend games in Milwaukee, let alone a neutral site game 2 hours away. Should be pretty dead. When I called the ticket office to add on 2 tickets to my initial order, the lady guessed my name, which indicates they're not getting too many fans in the Valpo block, which is understandable. Valpo always has a huge showing in Milwaukee (especially the tourney games in 09), but Green Bay might be a stretch.
So therefore the fan attendance should be fairly even. Neither fan base will have a big traveling group in Green Bay but the Milwaukee crowd has the shorter distance to travel so they should have the larger percentage of their normal size home crowd.
I would presume most Green Bay fans in attendance would be cheering against Valpo.
Both uwm and valpo beat Green Bay. Uwm did it at their place and with brown in attendance. I thought uwm was green bays rival.
As shown in the previous two games we match up very well with Milwaukee. Our bigs definitely disrupted their post play by Tiby and Kelm and they aren't a good enough shooting team to even it out. I think we win by 10-15 as we have in the previous two games.
Remember to go vote for Jerran Young to participate in the dunk contest at the Final Four by searching State Farm College Slam on Facebook!! And beat both of those WI teams!!
Can't shoot, can't guard, can't box out, can't rebound. Heckuva first 5 minutes.
Quote from: rink on March 07, 2014, 08:49:49 PM
Can't shoot, can't guard, can't box out, can't rebound. Heckuva first 5 minutes.
Look at the bright side...We are still good at turning the ball over. We better pull it together.
WHAT THE HELL ARE WE DOING?!
Quote from: Valpofan00 on March 07, 2014, 09:03:31 PM
WHAT THE HELL ARE WE DOING?!
Losing. And we're doing a great job of it
Let's add terrible ball security, bad decision making, and poor FT shooting to the list. Unacceptably bad basketball.
The seniors bear responsibility for this pitiful performance (with an assist from Vashil, who has played poorly, too). Dority has been non-existent and completely shut down. First-team conference guards play much better than that at tournament time. Don't get me started on the other seniors.
We're lucky we're not playing one of the better high school teams in the Midwest. We'd be blown-out by now.
Milwaukee has 15 first-half offensive rebounds? We have none? My god.
Got the defecit down to 6, with the ball, and Adekoya flushes the possession away with sheer worthless garbage stupidity. And the deficit jumps to 10....
This looks like a team that just wants to get on the bus and go home.
If you can't say something nice. ........ Time for me to be quiet. ...
nope. .. I can't do it. ... This game sucks.
Before anyone says it here, that was a dumb move by Carter but the game was over before he got DQ'd
Adekoya has no business starting let alone playing the minutes he's playing.
These announcers are annoying. .. saying the same things over and over. ...
It wasn't over before or directly after he was dq'd....we had plenty of time and just never got anything going and never hit the boards. The Carter play was selfish, unless somehow the video doesn't tell ge whole story.
Let's hope for a cit or cbi invite
I cant believe this season is already over. Wow time flies eh? New Era of Valpo Basketball starts now!
Well that sucked.
So I get out of my Lamaze class around 10 and see that we are down by 11, with a 31-15 rebounding edge to UWM...with 16 offensive rebounds to 0. We were shooting .458, and UWM at .323 or so, with equal FTM, similar turnover numbers, and only 3 more 3-pt FG for UWM at that time. WTF happened that we gave up so many offensive rebounds? With the stats I saw (outside of rebounds), you would have thought that we would be up, or much closer, than you see that they rebound just about each miss and we get none on our end. I am glad that I didn't get to watch any of this game, the way it looked as I was driving home. I saw in the chat that Todd truly thinks that we will get a postseason bid? I have to imagine that it is reliant on us paying to host a game?
Two thoughts during tonight's game:
1. I kept focusing on one player all game: Kevin Van Wijk! Watching the inside men plus seeing the stats of 0-19 on offensive rebounds and 0-14 in second chance points, I appreciated even more the great hands and toughness in rebounding Kevin always displayed. I remembered how Kevin was a surprise summer recruit, and I can only dream Bryce can find another player similar to Kevin to fill one of the open spots during the off season.
2. In watching both games tonight, I was convinced about my opinion that Alec Peters is easily the best freshman in the league. Comparing his game to Felder's this evening proved the difference between the two. In addition, Peters came up big in both tournament games. shooting 18-23 from the field. I believe he has a good shot at being the second best player ever to wear a Valpo uniform by the time he is a senior.
We ain't getting no post season invite. ... looked horrible at the end of the season.
Caught 2nd half on gamecast via Smartphone only. How did we dig a 15-2 hole?
What jumped at me was how many shots they missed but still dominated for full game. How does that happen?
The chemistry just never happened. Back to drawing board. Intriguing talent that teased us with the narrow SLU loss and some strong early games. But the horrific games like UCF #2 and a few others showed we can lose our way quickly
It will be Peters' team next year already.
Quote from: Smj on March 07, 2014, 10:55:52 PMWe ain't getting no post season invite. ... looked horrible at the end of the season.
I agree. If we do it's because the athletic dept decides to buy a home game. Valpo certainly doesn't deserve it.
yes, we did not peak in march. our worst basketball was towards the end.
Now can we talk about whether or not the young guys stick through it and show up next year? ;)
It's difficult....We won this league the last two years. And now we were just 2 games above .500.
We are a top 3 HL team if we had a decent post presence. Hopefully Vashil keeps improving and has a good senior year. Not asking for anything special offensively, just good. I would love to get an athletic JUCO transfer as well.
Not all to upset to see this senior class go. The only one that was special was LVD. Alec Peters is gonna be on the first team next season. Disappointing way to end the season. Hopefully we can get a game in the CBI and be able to keep watching some extra basketball.
Hopefully we can replace Dority's scoring and drive to make something happen. We didn't have many other people that wanted to make something happen outside of he and Peters, so hopefully Carter or the Canadian guards have some of that to their game next season. I will miss most of LVD, just not the part where he forces the same shot 5 times when it isn't working. He will play overseas somewhere, and I am sure someone will take a flier on Moussa because of his height and 'potential.' Heck, Bobby may be given that same opportunity as well, but I don't see that for Coleman.
A disappointing season overall, had some positives, but it could have been much worse with our turnover woes.
Hopefully more than one game!
We've gotten 0 OREB before--and won! As FWAlum points out, there are two reasons you do this: one, you aren't playing very well, and the other, you're shooting lights out (look how many of these games we've won! we're 10-3 when getting 3 or fewer...well, 10-4 now arrgh):
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Thankfully, they let us cancel the hotel for tomorrow night.... BRUTAL
PS: One other thing, Vashil can look to Kevin Van Wijk as an example for free throw shooting. Kevin was not very good at the free throw line the first two years of his three at Valpo, averaging less than 65% for that time. However, he worked on the free throws during the summer before his senior year and raised his ft shooting to 75%, a ten-percent change that was the difference between a win or a loss in a number of games. Vashil needs less motion in his free-throw delivery, and I hope the coaching staff re-shapes his shot during the summer.
Quote from: valpopal on March 07, 2014, 10:55:40 PM
Two thoughts during tonight's game:
1. I kept focusing on one player all game: Kevin Van Wijk! Watching the inside men plus seeing the stats of 0-19 on offensive rebounds and 0-14 in second chance points, I appreciated even more the great hands and toughness in rebounding Kevin always displayed. I remembered how Kevin was a surprise summer recruit, and I can only dream Bryce can find another player similar to Kevin to fill one of the open spots during the off season.
2. In watching both games tonight, I was convinced about my opinion that Alec Peters is easily the best freshman in the league. Comparing his game to Felder's this evening proved the difference between the two. In addition, Peters came up big in both tournament games. shooting 18-23 from the field. I believe he has a good shot at being the second best player ever to wear a Valpo uniform by the time he is a senior.
This team does not deserve to go to a post season tournament. You hope a team will improve over the course of a season but this team peaked some time ago and has regressed in the last month or so. And based on their pitiful performance tonight It might send a message to the young players that bad play and lack of effort will not be rewarded. If however they do decide to play in some tournament then they should bench the seniors and play the underclassmen so they can get the experience that seems to me to be the only justification for taking this team to a post season tournament. And I would bench Carter for that game as well to let him know that losing your cool and getting ejected from a game when there is still a chance to come back will also not be tolerated.
FYI I am not surprised that they lost tonight. I am however extremely disappointed in the pathetic performance they put on in losing. So who was to blame for this debacle? The coaches who could not come up with a plan to counter other teams realization that we have no offensive post threat so they can extend their defense to pressure our guards? The players, particularly our post players who don't pose any threat to score in the post? it seems to me we have got to start recruiting some post players who have some offensive skills or we are doomed to repeat this year over and over again. We were successful last year because Kevin had some offensive skills in the post, at least until he came up against some high major post players in the NCAA tournament. Tall projects who take 4 year scholarships but can't set a legal screen or handle a pass without turning the ball over and maybe give one year of value are not going to cut it if we we want to compete for conference tournament titles consistently.
I shall now finish my scotch and attempt to lower my blood pressure.
Quote from: nkvu on March 07, 2014, 11:30:35 PMit seems to me we have got to start recruiting some post players who have some offensive skills or we are doomed to repeat this year over and over again. We were successful last year because Kevin had some offensive skills in the post, at least until he came up against some high major post players in the NCAA tournament. Tall projects who take 4 year scholarships but can't set a legal screen or handle a pass without turning the ball over and maybe give one year of value are not going to cut it if we we want to compete for conference tournament titles consistently.
This is an excellent point. This team is not going to be any better next year if it can't find a transfer or recruit who can play solidly in the post. Do you really think Vashil will be able to handle this position on his own next year? Do you think Adekoya or Nickerson is the answer? Even if Carter plays much better and the two Canadian guards are very solid freshmen how is this team going to do in the post? There are still going to be great big holes in the offense and defense next year with only Fernandez playing in the post.
So what was this ejection for Carter with 12 minutes left? It looks like Peters hit a 3, and 1 second later Carter has a tech.
Carter punched Tiby after the shot went through the hoop. It was a sad excuse for a frustration foul.
So he landed a punch, or just threw one? Obviously, it doesn't matter which, but that seems pretty ridiculous to ever do in a game, especially after a 3 to cut it to 9 with 12 minutes left...
From up in the top row it seemed like, with few exceptions, we were always a step too slow to the ball or flatfooted after a shot. UWM players all seemed (1) just quicker and they were moving without the ball better. Their offensive scheme also seemed to open up better looks for the 3s they were draining -- especially in the first few minutes. I also thought that there were no adjustments to what UWM was doing on offense nor were there any changes that would, for instance, free Peters for better looks from outside the arc. Yet, there were times when he had an opening outside but did not shoot and should have. The other thing that jumped out at me was how poorly we played under the basket. Our shots were getting blocked by shorter players. Overall, from the start we were slower afoot, slower to get shots off, and slower to defend. Slower, just slower. Oh, and another thing. During the pre game warm-ups you could tell already which team was psyched to play -- it was not the guys in white. UWM was intense from the moment they came on the floor. They were ready.
It landed on Tiby's chin. In the reviews of the tape during the game, you could see the punch hit Tiby's chin or jaw.
That's why if we do play in some post season tournament Carter should be benched. This would impress upon him that losing your cool and getting tossed when there is still some chance to win will not be tolerated.
nkvu, if Valpo does get a CIT or CBI bid, Carter has to sit out the game because of his ejection. I don't believe the ejection carries over to next season, does it?
2014-15
Carter.
Peters.
Nickerson. Maybe
Fernandez. Hopefully
Say what you will.. Carter's got what it takes.
We need 4 and 5.
Yeah yeo has his role too but can only be as good as his team allows him to be... On any team
Better question, does Bryce let Carter stay after punching a guy in a game?
Yes but if we go to a post season tournament this year he benches him to show this kind of conduct will not be tolerated. Otherwise next year he lets him know he starts with one strike.
Quote from: valpotx on March 08, 2014, 12:33:48 AMBetter question, does Bryce let Carter stay after punching a guy in a game?
Many of you may recall my recent theory that Carter was alien abducted and replaced by a mechanical imposter. I am now postulating (because of this performance) that they liked the real Keith so well that they came back and grabbed the rest of the team as well as the coaching staff. As we speak they may be playing or teaching the game of basketball and the Valpo way all across the galaxy!
I wish they would have taken me with them because these imposters they left behind certainly are painful to watch!
This may not be enough to defend Carter's actions, but sources close to the situation state that Tiby grabbed Carter in the family jewels and Carter reacted.
OH IT'S ENOUGH
Quote from: valpotx on March 08, 2014, 12:33:48 AM
Better question, does Bryce let Carter stay after punching a guy in a game?
why in the world would bryce kick an excellent player off of the team for one stupid move? C'mon now
Tiby is a bit of a thug as well as a pretty good actor. The "punch" wasn't exactly the stuff to knock him to the ground. But I digress. What a flippin disaster.
Quote from: vu72 on March 08, 2014, 08:39:56 AMTiby is a bit of a thug as well as a pretty good actor.
yeah, we have a new villain. what a classless point of sale.
Hey, at least Carter showed some emotion. (Fire in his belly is not always a bad thing.)
Remember Edwards getting ejected.
I didn't comment on Carter previously because I wanted to wait for a full account. In the replay, it looked to me as if he was reacting to a provocation. A player doesn't just turn and strike at an opponent after one of his teammates has made a big basket. In addition, the replay seemed to show some acting on Tiby's part as he flopped to get the attention of the official—for which I don't fault Tiby, but it did add to my suspicion. Plus, Carter wasn't all that effective or targeted; it seemed to me more of a flailing than a calculated punch.
I remember having similar caution about reacting to the ejection of Bobby against Detroit last year, which was revealed as not fully Bobby's fault when the replay was shown and Anderson was seen doing his windmill move. Unfortunately, while Bobby's ejection sparked a big comeback for Valpo, Carter's did not. Had Carter's ejection been followed by a Valpo spurt and a win, some might be much more forgiving of Carter as we were of Bobby.
Often, the player who reacts is the one who gets caught, as we all know, which is why coaches insist on more self-discipline. Therefore, this is clearly not an excuse. However, if the account of Tiby's instigation is as suggested, one can understand an instant reaction by Carter, and this is more of an explanation.
I will not be as harsh on Carter as others have been, and I will not suggest further punishment by Bryce. I think we were just beginning to see the promise Keith has as a very good ballplayer, especially displayed in one great drive last night, and I look forward to his future, perhaps including playing with a fire in his belly, something some have often said was missing from the team. In fact, I can foresee a team of fiery young players next season, led by Carter, Williams, Peters, etc. I can't wait to watch them.
Quote from: Smj on March 08, 2014, 08:44:06 AMHey, at least Carter showed some emotion.
Well, yeah...but which one of us, getting grabbed/punched/violated in the FJ, would not throw the first stone?
Noticed the refs, in the segment I saw, watching what Carter did over and over. Nobody ever thinks to look for the instigation. Tiby has a rep and Carter none.
There are more subtle ways to get one's revenge, but then, that's the kind of thing that demands an immediate response.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on March 08, 2014, 09:22:27 AM
Quote from: Smj on March 08, 2014, 08:44:06 AMHey, at least Carter showed some emotion.
Well, yeah...but which one of us, getting grabbed/punched/violated in the FJ, would not throw the first stone?
Noticed the refs, in the segment I saw, watching what Carter did over and over. Nobody ever thinks to look for the instigation. Tiby has a rep and Carter none.
There are more subtle ways to get one's revenge, but then, that's the kind of thing that demands an immediate response.
Have to wonder why Coach Drew and Carter weren't pleading their case to the officials? They both were just standing around, from what I could see. If the officials had been told what to look for, it could have been double ejections, instead of just one.
Quote from: valpopal on March 07, 2014, 11:27:29 PMVashil needs less motion in his free-throw delivery, and I hope the coaching staff re-shapes his shot during the summer.
Start practicing the Virgil Sweet "Valpo" method right now. This is something that realy bugs me when kids/young men are not taught the mechanics of shooting the ball.
http://www.courier-journal.com/VideoNetwork/1445530652001/Robbie-Hummel-and-the-Valpo-free-throw (http://www.courier-journal.com/VideoNetwork/1445530652001/Robbie-Hummel-and-the-Valpo-free-throw)
Quote from: valporun on March 08, 2014, 12:09:16 AM
It landed on Tiby's chin. In the reviews of the tape during the game, you could see the punch hit Tiby's chin or jaw.
If that was a punch then thank God KC is not a boxer, fist wasn't closed and he wasn't even looking at him. Much more of a reaction to something.....
Quote from: FWalum on March 08, 2014, 05:28:15 PMIf that was a punch then thank God KC is not a boxer
RIGHT? I mean really.
Far more effective to drive the lane on him later, one foot forward like the karate kid. Payback.
Unless...perhaps Tiby doesn't have a complete set. I always think that anyone who would do that without fear of retribution probably has a reason not to fear the retribution.
Quote from: FWalum on March 08, 2014, 05:07:03 PMQuote from: valpopal on March 07, 2014, 11:27:29 PMVashil needs less motion in his free-throw delivery, and I hope the coaching staff re-shapes his shot during the summer.
Start practicing the Virgil Sweet "Valpo" method right now. This is something that realy bugs me when kids/young men are not taught the mechanics of shooting the ball.
I can still hear Coach Sweet's wraspy voice explaining all those proper techniques the first time I heard it explained and thinking "is free throw shooting really this complicated." I never knew the gift I had been given by one of the finest coaches of fundamentals in the history of Indiana basketball.
Of course Coach Sweet also taught us the proper method of putting on the white P.E. socks so they school didn't have to buy more socks for the P.E. classes due to the socks getting stretched out of shape. He took it just as seriously as teaching the proper method of shooting free throws.
WSU about to bounce CSU... nice job down the stretch.
Think of how great GB would be doing if Brown was playing tonight. UWM up 21-11 with 5 min left in 1st.
Like many have said, if we don't have a offensive post presence next season we'll be in trouble. Hopefully we can get a JUCO or transfer, who has played well and not sat on the bench like Bobby or had zero offensive presence like Moussa, for next season. There is no doubt in my mind that was the missing link to this team.
Anyways, the punch Carter through was stupid, there is no doubt. At least he's the only one who seemed to be hustling every play in this game as well as the UWM game.
Like I said we need an athletic post player who has seen action at a level above high-school and can play immediately.
Well we probably shouldn't feel so bad the way Milwaukee is handling GB. Brown has 2 points and an injured Sykes has zero at half. Not sure what Milwaukee has been drinking but they are playing like world beaters. I think GB will lose this one unfortunately.
Wow! LeCrone must really be enjoying the double bye tonight!
Did Tiby have too much hair in his eyes during the season?
Sykes selective limping is annoying.
Quote from: vu72 on March 08, 2014, 09:34:26 PMI think GB will lose this one unfortunately.
It looks like Green Bay is going to pull away and win easily.
EDIT: Wow! Milwaukee stems the tide and gets the game into OT. Very exciting finish.
UWM looks a bit gassed. The officiating is brutal.
If he grabbed his jewels, he should have told Bryce, and Bryce should have told the officials...
And Green Bay goes down!!!
Quote from: Valpofan00 on March 08, 2014, 11:04:51 PMAnd Green Bay goes down!!!
Sykes and Brown neither 100% but still a fine performance by a UWM team who is putting it all together when you need to get it done. Very good job by Jeter as well.
If we want a postseason bid, we should hope that WSU wins. That would put WSU in the NCAA, GB in NIT, and CSU/Valpo/possibly Milwaukee in the CBI/CIT
Green Bay will not get an at large bid. Here's why:
Their RPI now is the same as what Valpo ended up last year. Belmont even has a better RPI than Green Bay. The thing they have going for them is a great win vs Virginia, but when you don't schedule any road games, your sos is going to look pretty bad. Their two ooc road wins were South Dakota, a summit league team with a losing record, and Chicago State. The only other road game was a loss vs EMU. The only way for mid majors to get at large bids is to have an RPI in the 30s, like MTSU a couple years ago. Losing in the semi finals didn't help UWGB either... Maybe if they lost to CSU in the finals, but right now I see virtually no chance of them ending up as an at large. Maybe they have an argument against Arkansas and Nebraska, but if one weird team ends up winning the WCC, A10, MWC, MVC, etc then there's an even smaller chance.
Quote from: Valpofan00 on March 08, 2014, 11:04:51 PM
And Green Bay goes down!!!
Quote from: a3uge on March 09, 2014, 12:16:41 AM
Green Bay will not get an at large bid. Here's why:
Karma
...refers to the principle of causality where intent and actions of an individual influence the future of that individual. Good intent and good deed contribute to good karma and future happiness,
while bad intent and bad deed contribute to bad karma and future suffering.http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/horizon/2013/04/30/wisconsin-green-bay-brian-wardle-abuse-allegations-ryan-bross/2123569/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/horizon/2013/04/30/wisconsin-green-bay-brian-wardle-abuse-allegations-ryan-bross/2123569/)
I would imagine the HL would get no better than a 15 seed for the tournament. If UWM wins probably a 16 seed. I am glad that GB isn't the team representing the HL in the tournament based on the all the issues surrounding Wardle.
Quote from: classof2014 on March 09, 2014, 10:31:28 AM
I would imagine the HL would get no better than a 15 seed for the tournament. If UWM wins probably a 16 seed. I am glad that GB isn't the team representing the HL in the tournament based on the all the issues surrounding Wardle.
Wright State has a worse RPI than UWM. Both wouldn't be any higher than a 15 seed, unless a bunch of top teams lost their conference tourney. Wright State had a horrible OOC schedule and lost to North Carolina A&T. Milwaukee is the 5th seed in the 5th seed in the Horizon. Neither has a quality OOC win. Wright States best OOC win was Bowling Green at home. They lost every OOC road game. UWM has a better OOC resume, but the SOS is still really low. Their best OOC win was Davidson, still out of the top 100. They do have two road wins vs green bay, which has pushed the up.
Also, the selection committee seems like they only look at Geography and RPI for seeding 1 bid leagues. FGCU had beaten Florida last year, but they were still a 15 seed. They don't really look into injuries, a late season hot streak, playing good teams close, etc. J Palm has Wright State in as a 16 seed in his bracketology.
Also I agree with yours and wh's sentiments on Wardle. Not a good person, not a good coach. GB fans had the excuse machine going all season and never wondered why they can't play through adversity.
Quote from: a3uge on March 09, 2014, 12:16:57 PMAlso I agree with yours and wh's sentiments on Wardle. Not a good person, not a good coach. GB fans had the excuse machine going all season and never wondered why they can't play through adversity.
Yeah, I was as disappointed / embarrassed as anyone by the events and revelations of last summer.
But short of Detroit vs. Oakland, I don't think I could pick two teams I'd less like to see in the title game. It would have been nicer for GB to carry our banner. I mean, "wright state" versus "the university of wisconsin at milwaukee"?!!??? YECCH.
I know HC is with me on this at least.
Quote from: classof2014 on March 08, 2014, 09:26:08 PMAt least he's the only one who seemed to be hustling every play in this game as well as the UWM game.
Wasn't "this" game also a UWM game? I'm confused by which game Carter also hustled every play in.
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oof. i can't remember too many game flows with this static slope.
basically they jumped out and stayed that way. never much more, but never much less either.
oof.
Just watched the replay mid-2nd half, and here's what I saw:
Previous possession, Carter guarded Tiby, and pretty intensely. When he stole the ball off a rebound and headed up court, Tiby reached (barely legitimately going for the ball) as he crossed the half-court line. It was hard to determine that he meant to pull an Ivan Vujic, but the camera was on the wrong side. The refs never looked at that part of the play because they had no reason to.
The rumors are plausible, but hard to discern intent. I did not see a similar move during the Peters 3-pter.
I'm with ya, Ave....these are my least favorite teams in the league. They aren't fun to cheer for. I do t like the players I don't like their fans and I definitely don't like one of the coaches. Regardless of who wins, I hope their 2nd seeded opponent pounds hem into the ground.
I'll root for Donlon everyday of the week. He gets the most out of his talent, and is incredibly candid. He's great to have in the Horizon League.
Quote from: HC on March 09, 2014, 05:09:20 PM
I'm with ya, Ave....these are my least favorite teams in the league. They aren't fun to cheer for. I do t like the players I don't like their fans and I definitely don't like one of the coaches. Regardless of who wins, I hope their 2nd seeded opponent pounds hem into the ground.
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Great idea. That certainly will help the image of the Horizon League. Look, we need to realize that these teams are just better than we are, at this point in time. Donlon beat us twice and easily. He has a senior dominated team. Milwaukee has played out of their minds and Jeter has done one heck of a job.
Quote from: vu72 on March 09, 2014, 06:28:42 PMQuote from: HC on March 09, 2014, 05:09:20 PMI'm with ya, Ave....these are my least favorite teams in the league. They aren't fun to cheer for. I do t like the players I don't like their fans and I definitely don't like one of the coaches. Regardless of who wins, I hope their 2nd seeded opponent pounds hem into the ground.
Great idea. That certainly will help the image of the Horizon League. Look, we need to realize that these teams are just better than we are, at this point in time. Donlon beat us twice and easily. He has a senior dominated team. Milwaukee has played out of their minds and Jeter has done one heck of a job.
Would that be your definition of being a "realist?"
As much as I don't like wardle and believe he's not qualified for the job, Green Bay had the best chance to get win in the NCAA. And thats what the HL needs. Money and recognition in the NCAA with upsets and wins.
Quote from: chef on March 09, 2014, 05:14:50 PMI'll root for Donlon everyday of the week. He gets the most out of his talent, and is incredibly candid. He's great to have in the Horizon League.
Total agreement about Donlon, but somebody at WSU needs to take some blame for their weak scheduling. While we are on the subject, on many different levels I also have great respect for all the HL coaches which includes Brian Wardle. There is no way that he deserves the level of vilification that many have directed towards him.
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Quote from: vu72 on March 09, 2014, 06:28:42 PMQuote from: HC on March 09, 2014, 05:09:20 PMI'm with ya, Ave....these are my least favorite teams in the league. They aren't fun to cheer for. I do t like the players I don't like their fans and I definitely don't like one of the coaches. Regardless of who wins, I hope their 2nd seeded opponent pounds hem into the ground.
Great idea. That certainly will help the image of the Horizon League. Look, we need to realize that these teams are just better than we are, at this point in time. Donlon beat us twice and easily. He has a senior dominated team. Milwaukee has played out of their minds and Jeter has done one heck of a job.
Would that be your definition of being a "realist?"
Not sure I understand the question in the context of this debate, I want the Horizon League representative to win, or at a minimum, battle so that the winner understands our conference is not "Low Major" in any way.
I would've pulled for CSU or GB in the NCAAs...I don't like these final 2 teams and hope they lose in their first game. I'm not telling what to pull for or that I'm right. I simply don't like these teams and will not cheer for them.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on March 09, 2014, 01:39:15 PM
Quote from: a3uge on March 09, 2014, 12:16:57 PMAlso I agree with yours and wh's sentiments on Wardle. Not a good person, not a good coach. GB fans had the excuse machine going all season and never wondered why they can't play through adversity.
Yeah, I was as disappointed / embarrassed as anyone by the events and revelations of last summer.
But short of Detroit vs. Oakland, I don't think I could pick two teams I'd less like to see in the title game. It would have been nicer for GB to carry our banner. I mean, "wright state" versus "the university of wisconsin at milwaukee"?!!??? YECCH.
I know HC is with me on this at least.
Ew. Wardle is a loser and a terrible representation of the HL.
Quote from: chef on March 09, 2014, 05:14:50 PM
I'll root for Donlon everyday of the week. He gets the most out of his talent, and is incredibly candid. He's great to have in the Horizon League.
100 percent agree.
Whoever represents from the HL I'll be cheering for in the tournament. I could care less if UWM or WSU won, I care though to see the conference we're in do well against the best competition in the country.
Even if GB was the team representing the HL, I would hope they would've done some damage, because I'm a fan of the conference. I do believe the two best coaches this season will be facing off in Donlon and Jeter, I still don't understand how Wardle won CoY. They were picked to finish first and they did. It's not like they were a one or two loss team either. The award should've went to Jeter, they won a total of 8 games last year and were absolutely awful and this season they were a respectable opponent and a good team until Aaron went out, now that's Aaron's back they look really good again.
Quote from: Goraiders93 on March 09, 2014, 11:01:10 PMEw. Wardle is a loser and a terrible representation of the HL.
*BZZZT* Nice try. You meant to post this in response to
Quote from: justducky on March 09, 2014, 08:18:31 PMI also have great respect for all the HL coaches which includes Brian Wardle. There is no way that he deserves the level of vilification that many have directed towards him.
We only wanted GB because we wanted a team that could advance in the tourney. Not because we think Wardle's so great.
Although one of them might be able to win a play-in game. But I don't think that gives a ton of money...does it give any more than a team that loses by 38 to a 2 seed in the "second" round?
Naming the HL teams doesn't seem like it makes much sense before the playoffs--much like the NFL used to do the Pro Bowl when they were just 87.5% thru the sched. BUT since there is a tournament team, etc., it would just further devalue the regular season to wait until after the tournament.
As it is, it doesn't seem like the regular season is worth a whole lot any more.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on March 10, 2014, 11:04:47 AM
Quote from: Goraiders93 on March 09, 2014, 11:01:10 PMEw. Wardle is a loser and a terrible representation of the HL.
*BZZZT* Nice try. You meant to post this in response to
Quote from: justducky on March 09, 2014, 08:18:31 PMI also have great respect for all the HL coaches which includes Brian Wardle. There is no way that he deserves the level of vilification that many have directed towards him.
We only wanted GB because we wanted a team that could advance in the tourney. Not because we think Wardle's so great.
Although one of them might be able to win a play-in game. But I don't think that gives a ton of money...does it give any more than a team that loses by 38 to a 2 seed in the "second" round?
Naming the HL teams doesn't seem like it makes much sense before the playoffs--much like the NFL used to do the Pro Bowl when they were just 87.5% thru the sched. BUT since there is a tournament team, etc., it would just further devalue the regular season to wait until after the tournament.
As it is, it doesn't seem like the regular season is worth a whole lot any more.
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Agreed, particularly when you come apart like a cheap suit in the tourney.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on March 10, 2014, 11:04:47 AM
Although one of them might be able to win a play-in game. But I don't think that gives a ton of money...does it give any more than a team that loses by 38 to a 2 seed in the "second" round?
Unless something changed with the expanded bracket, play -in wins count the same as "second" round wins.
A consolation prize, if you'd like, for pulling the 65th (68th?) seed.
Quote from: agibson on March 10, 2014, 11:30:03 AM
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on March 10, 2014, 11:04:47 AM
Although one of them might be able to win a play-in game. But I don't think that gives a ton of money...does it give any more than a team that loses by 38 to a 2 seed in the "second" round?
Unless something changed with the expanded bracket, play -in wins count the same as "second" round wins.
A consolation prize, if you'd like, for pulling the 65th (68th?) seed.
That's correct. Oakland earned 2 shares for the Summit League a few years back by winning a play-in, I mean 1st round, game. If placed there, either WSU or UWM would have a good shot of winning a game and avoiding a third straight one-and-done for the Horizon.
How much money would we get for beating Butler in the CIT? ;)
It would cost us...but it'd be worth it
Quote from: HC on March 10, 2014, 01:05:06 PM
It would cost us...but it'd be worth it
I doubt the "Big East" would allow Butler to play in such a "lowly" tournament.
The CIT is usually a mid-major field. Doesn't look like Wright St. or UWM would be in the play-in/first round.
Quote from: vu72 on March 10, 2014, 11:29:17 AMQuote from: LaPorteAveApostle on March 10, 2014, 11:04:47 AMQuote from: Goraiders93 on March 09, 2014, 11:01:10 PMEw. Wardle is a loser and a terrible representation of the HL.
*BZZZT* Nice try. You meant to post this in response to Quote from: justducky on March 09, 2014, 08:18:31 PMI also have great respect for all the HL coaches which includes Brian Wardle. There is no way that he deserves the level of vilification that many have directed towards him.
We only wanted GB because we wanted a team that could advance in the tourney. Not because we think Wardle's so great. Although one of them might be able to win a play-in game. But I don't think that gives a ton of money...does it give any more than a team that loses by 38 to a 2 seed in the "second" round? Naming the HL teams doesn't seem like it makes much sense before the playoffs--much like the NFL used to do the Pro Bowl when they were just 87.5% thru the sched. BUT since there is a tournament team, etc., it would just further devalue the regular season to wait until after the tournament. As it is, it doesn't seem like the regular season is worth a whole lot any more.
Agreed, particularly when you come apart like a cheap suit in the tourney.
I know it was disappointing to watch Valpo play so poorly but I don't think you have to keep rubbing it in.
Where do you suppose the loser of this game ends up a s far as postseason tourneys go? GB is in the NIT right?
Quote from: HC on March 10, 2014, 10:18:35 PM
Where do you suppose the loser of this game ends up a s far as postseason tourneys go? GB is in the NIT right?
GB has an auto bid to NIT for winning regular season.
CSU will not see the NIT. Its already crowded and full of teams that didn't win their tourney (WHERE WAS THIS LAST YEAR WHEN VALPO NEEDED THE SEEDING HELP?). I would imagine CSU plays in the CBI (slightly more prestigious), and the loser of the game plays in the CIT along with Oakland... My guesses.
Quote from: a3uge on March 10, 2014, 10:56:02 PMGB has an auto bid to NIT for winning regular season.
Still early for trying to predict the highest NIT seed that GB might be awarded but if Brown and Sykes get healthy they have the potential for a strong run. It would be nice to see the NIT show them and the HL a little respect by putting them in a spot where they can succeed.
Why would Oakland get a CIT bid? They had a losing record, though against some tough teams.
Oakland was 7-9 in conference and 11-20 overall against D-1 opponents. IMO they don't have a snowball's chance of receiving an invitation to anywhere with that record. Granted, had they played Wright State's pathetic OOC schedule for example, they might have a few more wins, but that's highly speculative given that they didn't even have a winning record in their own conference. I'm assuming they got a big fat payday for those games (probably several hundred thousand dollars in total), so they already have their just reward.
Yeah you guys are right... Didn't realize their record was that bad - I was just thinking that Kampe would be someone whom would pay for a CIT game.
Chef--with the schools in the Big East now, it's kind of a MiddlingEast conference, right? Hence they would qualify for a "mid"-major tourney....
Guessing Valpo will get an MVC school, like an Indiana State if they fall out of NIT consideration or Northern Iowa. A MAC opponent is also possible like an Akron, Toledo or W Michigan. If WMU, we can have an Austin Richie matchup.
Good night!...how big is the CIT field? I've lost track of those others beyond the NIT. ???
According to the Post-Trib article -- 32.
Quote from: valpo84 on March 11, 2014, 04:52:31 PM
Chef--with the schools in the Big East now, it's kind of a MiddlingEast conference, right? Hence they would qualify for a "mid"-major tourney....
Guessing Valpo will get an MVC school, like an Indiana State if they fall out of NIT consideration or Northern Iowa. A MAC opponent is also possible like an Akron, Toledo or W Michigan. If WMU, we can have an Austin Richie matchup.
Do you people not watch college basketball? The Old Big East last year was one of the best conf last year, sending 2 teams to the FF and another to the E8. Louisville won everything. Then they left with other huge schools for football reasons. That conference turned into the American Conference. The American isn't even as good as the A10 this year. They have an unbalanced league with half the schools below 150 RPI and half in top 50 RPI. Louisville leaving (at least) along with SMU coming back down to earth will cause the conference to dip back.
The New Big East is a new conference. They're #4 in RPI and have 3 bubble teams on the wrong side of the bubble with Marquette and Georgetown coming off poor years. Calling them a mid major conference is ludicrous. Just because the conference isn't as good as last year's namesake, doesn't mean it's not a major conference.
Watching UWM take it to WSU (so far), I see kinda the same scenario as we experienced last Friday. WSU just can't seem to get over the hump despite a couple of early second half runs. UWM, apparently, has found the right time to round into form. Proves the point that you need to be your best at the end of the season and not at the beginning. Got to hand it to Jeter and his kids for sticking with their plan and not bailing out. That's us next season.
Quote from: VULB#62 on March 11, 2014, 07:45:25 PM
UWM, apparently, has found the right time to round into form. Proves the point that you need to be your best at the end of the season and not at the beginning.
Except not really because it's not fun playing Michigan State in the first round of the Dance.
Guys, give UWM props for winning the Horizon championship and making it fair and square into the NCAA tournament. They beat 4 teams including our beloved to get there. They played very well and they were well coached.
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 11, 2014, 09:04:12 PM
Guys, give UWM props for winning the Horizon championship and making it fair and square into the NCAA tournament. They beat 4 teams including our beloved to get there. They played very well and they were well coached.
Yes, props to Milwaukee for winning the HL tourney with all games on the road and having to beat teams with single and double byes. Truly an outstanding accomplishment fot the Panthers. You can never count Jeter teams out of the race.
Quote from: bbtds on March 11, 2014, 09:43:39 PMYou can never count Jeter teams out of the race
except in 2013.
when they were counted out in 2012.
picked last and end up dancing. ...
Quote from: Smj on March 13, 2014, 08:19:07 AM
picked last and end up dancing. ...
Hope springs eternal as coaches everywhere get more reference material. :)
wasn't wright state last last year? and then they were a few buckets away from the dance too.
also ray mccallum was 2-time preseason POY.