Just thought I would throw this up here--there's a bracket challenge!
http://www.horizonleague.org/challenge/new (http://www.horizonleague.org/challenge/new)
Prize is "HL prize package" and "2 season tix to school of your choice".
Top bracket by school (favorite team) wins the proverbial "HL prize package".
Being me, I will fill out two: one for how I hope it will go, and one for how I think it will go.
ACK make sure you remember to set your favorite team. pretty sure my first bracket says that my favorite is Cleveland State.
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I would be disappointed if we didn't make it to at least the semis. We should be able to handle UIC pretty easily, the we'll play either UWM or UDM and we should beat either of those 2 teams. Then we would play against GB in the semis, which won't be easy but we can easily beat them, so long the refs don't get overly zealous and decide to suit up for GB again.
I like our chances so long we don't see CSU again. I'd rather play WSU again but if we play CSU that means we made it to the championship and anything can happen in one game.
I think we'll make it to the semis and with a little luck we can easily beat GB. The 4 seed may be a bit of a blessing because neither WSU or CSU is in our bracket who we're 0-4 against, while the rest of the league we're 9-3.
Picked with my heart, not my head.
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I love March basketball!
When there are just 8 games to pick, there will be several perfect brackets, unless there are major upsets. And even then...
What it will come down to is not just being perfect, but the final score tiebreaker.
Even then, there may be more than one! 'Twill be interesting.
Was the 7-8 tiebreaker tricky? I didn't try to work it out. But, I notice the Times got it wrong, having us playing the winner of Mikwauhee vs Youngstown [sic] if we get past UIC.
Quote from: agibson on March 03, 2014, 09:23:18 AMMikwauhee [sic]
Seems like someone needs a lesson from The Professor (not you : ) --
Wayne's World (8/10) Movie CLIP - Alice's History Lesson (1992) HD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5FT3IGXtAk#ws)
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That Detroit-Milwaukee game will be interesting and I think will be the difference between a perfect bracket for me.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on March 03, 2014, 09:50:01 AM
Quote from: agibson on March 03, 2014, 09:23:18 AMMikwauhee [sic]
Seems like someone needs a lesson from The Professor (not you : ) --
Wayne's World (8/10) Movie CLIP - Alice's History Lesson (1992) HD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5FT3IGXtAk#ws)
Yeah, needless to say that wasn't the target of the [sic].
Here's hoping the print media manage higher standards than iPod tapping. (An, certainly , they do most of the time.)
Sounds like Douglas from CSU could be done with an injury.
So for Saturday and (hopefully not) Tuesday, GB's fans will have to sit on the opposite side they typically sit, right?
HL 1st round vegas odds.
Oakland -4
UWM -2
Valpo -10.5
Oh, and if you put $5 on Scott Drew's Baylor to win it all, you roll $1250 profit.
Quote from: oklahomamick on March 04, 2014, 10:17:28 AM
HL 1st round vegas odds.
Oakland -4
UWM -2
Valpo -10.5
I'll put $1 on YSU +4 since I think they win. Not touching that Valpo line...
Quote from: oklahomamick on March 04, 2014, 10:19:30 AM
Oh, and if you put $5 on Scott Drew's Baylor to win it all, you roll $1250 profit.
43rd in RPI. 7-9 in the toughest conference in the country. 6-9 vs top 50 RPI teams and 1-6 vs top 25 teams? I don't think they're going to make it into the bracket.
No guarantee we win, but if we do......we want Detroit or Milwaukee? We split with Detroit. We swept UWM. Who do match up with better?
Quote from: oklahomamick on March 04, 2014, 02:44:21 PMWe split with Detroit. We swept UWM. Who do match up with better?
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Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on March 04, 2014, 03:12:39 PM
Quote from: oklahomamick on March 04, 2014, 02:44:21 PMWe split with Detroit. We swept UWM. Who do match up with better?
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No doubt, UWM. We beat them by 13 at home and 15 on the road. Detroit we lost by 2 at home and won by 8 on the road. Detroit is more athletic. Bring on UWM!!
Tons of empty seat at the ORENA. What with that?
They missed a crazy game. Spring break.
Oakland's play last night is the first article that pops up on Yahoo, currently:
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/brilliant-inbound-play-saves-oakland-in-horizon-league-tournament-opener-070951175.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/brilliant-inbound-play-saves-oakland-in-horizon-league-tournament-opener-070951175.html)
If that happened around the perimeter, isn't that a block? That ending rubs me the wrong way. Seems like a dumb way to decide a winner.
Moussa would get called for two fouls if he had done the same thing.
Quote from: a3uge on March 05, 2014, 11:26:54 AM
If that happened around the perimeter, isn't that a block? That ending rubs me the wrong way. Seems like a dumb way to decide a winner.
I does seem like a rather cheap way to get a foul but...... it is brilliant and one that I will file away to be used if needed in the future.
It's a risky move. IU won a game many years ago under Knight with a similar strategy of trying to get a charge/block call with seconds remaining. It's a bang bang call from an official and usually goes D's way. Query as the eastern law schools say, clearly with Bader the intended receiver to try to get a last second shot, why not deny him the ball? Make Oakland at least shoot to tie/win. Then again, it was YSU....
The way YSU played and the way they appeared to be coached , they deserved to lose that game. What a pathetic finish on their part. If there was a foul to be called on that inbounds play it looked like a moving pick to me. By the way, are the OU announcers bad or what! They sure drink the G Kampe Kool-Aid!
Quote from: FWalum on March 05, 2014, 12:10:55 PM
Quote from: a3uge on March 05, 2014, 11:26:54 AM
If that happened around the perimeter, isn't that a block? That ending rubs me the wrong way. Seems like a dumb way to decide a winner.
I does seem like a rather cheap way to get a foul but...... it is brilliant and one that I will file away to be used if needed in the future.
Nearly identical to what Matt Howard did to free up Hayward for the potential game winning shot in the national championship game against Duke. The circumstances were different, of course, but both Bader and Howard intentionally stepped in front of the on-ball defender and got run over. The difference was the Howard collision resulted in a no-call. I don't know which one was handled correctly, but no question they were called differently.
I'm fine with questioning whether the charging call was correct or should have been a block on Bader, but a no-call? Nope. Can't do that.
I'll say the same thing I said 7 years ago: the guy guarding the screener has GOT to help out his teammate and call out the screen. Then and now, the screener's defender was right there in the backcourt with his man, and he's the one who can see what's about to happen.
I guess the play is a genius play if it catches the other team off guard. Certainly it'll be a LONG time before he pulls that play in the HL.
I listened to Kampe interviewed this morning on WDFN and his description of the play was very illuminating. I had wondered why he wouldn't have tried it a few Sunday's ago in the Wright State game after Pacher hit that layup to put WSU up by 1.
Kampe's rationale for calling the play: if there's 0.3 (or 0.4?) on the clock, by rule, you can't catch and shoot. If there's 0.6 it's darn near impossible to catch and shoot a makeable shot. The only option is a long pass near the rim and a tap-in. In the WSU game, I believe there was something like 1.3 seconds left, which may explain why he didn't resort to it there.
There's also a backup plan: if the baseline screen doesn't work, there's a frontcourt screen in play to free someone for a long pass and a tap in.
When Kampe calls this play, during the timeout he goes to the ref and briefs him on what he's going to try and asks, "Are you going to call it?" The other night, the ref said, "I'll call it if the defender falls on top of your player, but if Bader flops, I'm not going to call it."
He did the exact same thing 7 years ago, going to the ref during the timeout. Knowing what I know about the ORU distaste for the play (probably think it's a classless move), I can't help wondering if Kampe met with any death stares as he walked through the hand-shake line ;)
Then again, this time it only tied the game, and YSU went up by 4 in the OT, AND 3 OU regulars fouled out. So, I'm guessing YSU mostly rues the fact that they blew a 10 pt lead late and then couldn't seal the deal in OT (not to mention accidentally making the 2nd FT in regulation).
Seeing what we've seen this year...that wouldn't even have been a charge last year.
My distaste for Kampe & Oakland is magnified by this--particularly his "priming the pump" on the refs beforehand. It is almost a self-fulfilling prophecy (the power of suggestion).
Quote from: wh on March 05, 2014, 01:51:33 PM
Quote from: FWalum on March 05, 2014, 12:10:55 PM
Quote from: a3uge on March 05, 2014, 11:26:54 AM
If that happened around the perimeter, isn't that a block? That ending rubs me the wrong way. Seems like a dumb way to decide a winner.
I does seem like a rather cheap way to get a foul but...... it is brilliant and one that I will file away to be used if needed in the future.
Nearly identical to what Matt Howard did to free up Hayward for the potential game winning shot in the national championship game against Duke. The circumstances were different, of course, but both Bader and Howard intentionally stepped in front of the on-ball defender and got run over. The difference was the Howard collision resulted in a no-call. I don't know which one was handled correctly, but no question they were called differently.
The difference is that Howard didn't get run over ... he flattened Kyle Singler with a blind-side (and blatently illegal, according to Duke grad Seth Davis) screen. There are images of Howard laying on the floor at the end of the game, but he didn't hit the deck until after Hayward's shot rimmed out.
The play by Oakland is hardly new ... my high school coach used it 30+ years ago. If Slocum didn't warn his players about it, then he's to blame because that's about the only chance Oakland had at that point. And FWIW, I thought the video from behind Bader showed he was clearly still moving, but the official making the call was on the opposite side of the play, meaning his view of Bader was obscured by the YSU player. Kudos to Kampe for planting the seed in the mind of the officials.
I thought Bader was still moving and not set as well, but since I don't like Bader I didn't want to be the first to say something. I thought it was a good play call since that was really their only chance. Shame on Sloccum for not seeing it coming and having his guys play way back. He cost us all the chance to see Kendrick Perry play again.
Ok, hope I'm not upsetting anyone here by posting to much but I showed this play to a guy in my office who is a d-2 ref. he says it is the right call and had to be made. I said people are saying Bader was not set and it's a block not a charge. He laughed at me and said Bader is on offense, setting a screen, therefore it's not a block/charge but would it be an illegal screen and the answer is yes. Legal. Because he doesn't have to be set, he just can't move. The ref said he took the hit in the chest and the defender clearly never saw him till after contact and the defender went though his body. Displacing him from his spot on the floor and is clearly a defensive foul. He also said that it must be call no matter what time of the game it was. This is not me this is a ref, don't know if he's a good one or bad one but he is a good guy
Probably the wrong board to try and say a ref sees it differently lol. We have seen over 50 illegal screens called on our guys this year, so it's hard for us to see how other teams never get called for it too lol.
Quote from: zvillehaze on March 05, 2014, 09:20:28 PMThe play by Oakland is hardly new ... my high school coach used it 30+ years ago. If Slocum didn't warn his players about it, then he's to blame because that's about the only chance Oakland had at that point. And FWIW, I thought the video from behind Bader showed he was clearly still moving, but the official making the call was on the opposite side of the play, meaning his view of Bader was obscured by the YSU player. Kudos to Kampe for planting the seed in the mind of the officials.
I'll agree, it's hardly new, I've seen it used before and used it myself years ago. I did think it was very very smart to let the officials know in advance about the "play", as they're less likely to swallow the whistle for a play on. I tip my cap.