OK, it's been almost 2 hours since the mini-comeback of the year, taking over first place... now... about the Phoenix. They've won 4 straight HL games Loyola by 13 at home, UIC by 6 at home, YST by 9 at home, and today a 77-50 drubbing of CSU. Gee, another team with 4 straight home wins coming in.
We're both off until Wednesday... they have lost their two road HL games @ Wright State and @ Detroit.... and actually, they have NO road wins all year, losses to Idaho, Nevada, Virginia, Wisconsin, Tennessee Tech and SIU,
They do have some nice Home wins, #53 ND State and a two point win over #19 Marquette.
HL Standings now:
Valpo 5-1
Wright State 4-1
Detroit 4-2
Green Bay 4-2
and the rest
Lets keep the Momentum in the ARC...!!
I like GB and think that Cerroni and Sykes are the guys we need to be concerned with, more so then Brown (who will be in foul trouble 7 mins into the game).
Quote from: HC on January 19, 2013, 10:55:52 PM
I like GB and think that Cerroni and Sykes are the guys we need to be concerned with, more so then Brown (who will be in foul trouble 7 mins into the game).
brown seems to always have good games against us - i'd be wary of what he might do this time around. we're going to need good shooting and a willingness to keep brown from getting to the rack. that said, i think we win this game by 9-13 or so when it's all said and done. close until free throws at the end.
With some rest, we come out much more energetic:
Valpo 77
GB 67
I hope our defensive scheme does not include Buggs guarding Brown in the post. Switching in a man-to-man sometimes has unfortunate results...
I hope our "plan" is not to trail the entire game. Pulling out a heroic win is fun to watch but at some point that is going to bite us. We are awesome at making in game adjustments but I want to see a game where our opponent is scrambling to get back into it.
I've watch GB and they are tough. I think there will be a couple interesting matchup challenges.
Quote from: humbleopinion on January 20, 2013, 05:43:17 AM
I hope our defensive scheme does not include Buggs guarding Brown in the post. Switching in a man-to-man sometimes has unfortunate results...
What you don't like 5'11 guarding 7'1?
Quote from: humbleopinion on January 20, 2013, 05:43:17 AMI hope our defensive scheme does not include Buggs guarding Brown in the post. Switching in a man-to-man sometimes has unfortunate results...
Agreed. I think Rowdy should not have switched so much when they put him on Darling. He kept switching off Darling and leaving Bogan or Buggs to guard the bigger man. Darling took advantage of it every time. Of course you can't argue with success.That was a very tough Wright State team we beat last night. I think when they were picked last in conference it's because they lost Mays. But what those prognosticators missed was that Arceneaux, Darling, Pacher, Sledge and company have made up for it with good defense and team play on the offensive end and they are guided by a good coach, Billy Donlon.
Quote from: humbleopinion on January 20, 2013, 05:43:17 AM
I hope our defensive scheme does not include Buggs guarding Brown in the post. Switching in a man-to-man sometimes has unfortunate results...
what, you didn't like bogan and boggs trying to guard cole darling?
We saw it too often in the Loyola game as well.
Well, I just saw the end of the Loyola - Chicago State game, LUC wins in OT by 3 at Chicago State....
THEN I get nervous when I ready about the depth of UWGB in their win on Saturday...This is from the HL Website wrap up:
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Green Bay 77, Cleveland State 50
Jordan Fouse scored a career-high 17 points and added 10 rebounds, four assists, four steals and three blocked shots, leading a balanced Green Bay attack as the Phoenix rolled past visiting Cleveland State, 77-50, at the Resch Center.
Green Bay (10-9, 4-2 Horizon) won its seventh straight game at the Resch Center and fourth in a row overall, moving into a tie for third place in the Horizon League.
During its winning streak, Green Bay has held opponents to just 49.3 points per game and 33.4 percent shooting. The defense was on display again on Saturday, with the Phoenix blocking 10 shots and limiting Cleveland State (10-10, 2-4 Horizon) to just 34.6 percent shooting (18-of-52).
The 10 blocks were tied for the second-most in program history, and Alec Brown led the effort, per usual. The program's all-time leading shot blocker had a season-high six blocks and averaged four swats per game on the homestand. Brown now has 187 blocked shots in his career.
Sultan Muhammad drained a pair of three-pointers as part of a 13-0 run that turned a 4-2 deficit into a 15-4 lead just over five minutes into the game. Muhammad made his first four shots (3-3 3FGs) and had 13 of his 15 points at halftime. Brown and Keifer Sykes each scored 14 points and Brennan Cougill had a double-double off the Phoenix bench with 11 points and 10 rebounds.
Green Bay has had five occasions in its Division I history where two teammates tallied double-doubles in the same game. Four of them have come in the past three years under Wardle, and Cougill has been involved three times.
With five players in double figures, the offense was effective as Green Bay shot 54.8 percent from the field and made 25-of-32 free throws (13-of-13 second half). The Phoenix started 8-of-15 from the line before sinking its last 17 attempts.
However, as it has been the entire home winning streak, the defense was the catalyst. Despite Brown's blocks, it was the freshman Fouse leading the charge. Playing the top of a 1-2-2 zone, the 6-foot-7 Fouse disrupted the Vikings offense.
After CSU whittled a 15-point lead down to nine late in the first half, Fouse tallied four points, a steal and an assist in an 18-second stretch which sparked a 7-0 run to end the half. Green Bay led 43-26 at the break and was ahead by double digits the rest of the way.
Midway through the second half with Green Bay leading by 18 points, the Phoenix went on a 16-4 run including seven points from Brown and six from Sykes to extend its lead to 30 with 2:44 remaining.
Getting 10 rebounds from Cougill and Fouse, Green Bay also dominated the backboard. The Phoenix outrebounded Cleveland State 41-18 and limited CSU to just five offensive rebounds.
Green Bay will now take to the road for four games in a row, beginning with a game on Wednesday night at Valparaiso.
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Let's not be their first Road win of the season.
If I was Green Bay I would be much more worried about Valpo then the Crusaders are about Green Bay. The biggest factor in this game is that the Phoenix have yet to win a game on the road this season. Yes, they are tough at home but this game is at the ARC. We can worry about the game at Green Bay when the time comes.
Quote from: talksalot on January 20, 2013, 09:24:17 PMHowever, as it has been the entire home winning streak, the defense was the catalyst. Despite Brown's blocks, it was the freshman Fouse leading the charge. Playing the top of a 1-2-2 zone, the 6-foot-7 Fouse disrupted the Vikings offense.
I had forgotten about that 1-2-2 which presents some unique challenges and opportunities. Look for our bench to play much larger minutes either as a response to their style of play or as an attempt by us to dictate the style. This game should look very different than the Wright St. game and as always I would prefer that we jumped out to a big early lead,and made them chase us.
Defending Brown and Cougill is always interesting, and since we are overdue for a stinker I would call this game a toss-up.
while brown's height is and has been a concern against the perennially shorter valpo roster, he's not as quick and physical as kevin. he's a finesse player while kvw and capo are bangers. if we can pull him out of the lane on defense, that'll be a great help. but in the end, i'm not overly concerned about this one, honestly. i'm more worried about the return game at their place next month.
What is line on this game?
Computers say VU by 6, 72% chance of winning FWIW
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 22, 2013, 09:40:02 AM
What is line on this game?
I'm no expert at this, but I don't see a line yet. Maybe only high profile games get one this early?
http://sectionee.blogspot.com/2013/01/game-plan-green-bay.html (http://sectionee.blogspot.com/2013/01/game-plan-green-bay.html)
I put a 9 point win for Valpo in my prediction.
If you download the Yahoo! Sportacular app you can see the lines. For our games they don't usually have a line posted more then a day in advance. I don't see one yet, it will probably be up there tonight though.
UWGB is Improved look out. Valpo 72 UWGB 68
Quote from: vuweathernerd on January 19, 2013, 11:47:57 PM
Quote from: HC on January 19, 2013, 10:55:52 PM
I like GB and think that Cerroni and Sykes are the guys we need to be concerned with, more so then Brown (who will be in foul trouble 7 mins into the game).
brown seems to always have good games against us - i'd be wary of what he might do this time around. we're going to need good shooting and a willingness to keep brown from getting to the rack. that said, i think we win this game by 9-13 or so when it's all said and done. close until free throws at the end.
I agree. A 7 foot big man with finesse is something that we usually have no answer for. Needless to say, Capo might get some more minutes trying to contain him. I hope he can move his feet enough to try to equalize that matchup a little more.
Here is an excellent preview from the Green Bay perspective. Green Bay has improved and now looks like the team we thought they would be, though they haven't done well on the road. I hope that continues. I think the key to the game could be the match-up between Ryan and their 6-7 forward Jordan Fouse:
http://www.phearthephoenix.webs.com/ (http://www.phearthephoenix.webs.com/)
I would assume that Vashil will get 6-8 minutes in this game, depending on how KVW and Bobby do on Alec. Vashil is probably quicker than Alec, which would bode well for someone of similar size to guard him occasionally.
I think Vashil only plays when Valpo goes zone. I don't think he'd have a chance against a player with good post moves like Brown, but we'll see. He has been picking up a few minutes each game recently, and as he is my boys' favorite player I hope that continues and I hope he continues to progress.
I think Erik getting into the lane against their zone, where Fause is the top man I believe, and then making good decisions is going to be key. Erik usually does make pretty good choices in there so I'm not to worried. I think Will is going to stay hot from the corners (don't shoot it anywhere else!), and I think KVW can get Brown into foul trouble.
Here is a new video with Jordan Coleman demonstrating the art of the dunk. I hope we see a couple of these against Green Bay, but I recommend he not try the windmill dunk during a scrimmage game if Bobby is on the other team. ;)
Valpo All-Access: Jordan Coleman 1|22|13 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSCxF2dtdzg#ws)
I've not seen it mentioned anywhere, but I believe that Greg Mays (9.3 ppg; 6.5 rpg) will not be available for the Valpo game. They are one of the few teams in the Horizon who don't always play with 3 guards. I'll be interested to see how Valpo matches up when GB has Brown, Cougill and Fouse/Turner on the court together.
If Valpo is ever going to utilize a "big" lineup, this would be the opportunity. However, my guess is Bryce will stay with his standard rotation and just rely more on the zone when GB goes big. Thoughts?
Quote from: EddieCabot on January 22, 2013, 01:28:28 PM
I've not seen it mentioned anywhere, but I believe that Greg Mays (9.3 ppg; 6.5 rpg) will not be available for the Valpo game. They are one of the few teams in the Horizon who don't always play with 3 guards. I'll be interested to see how Valpo matches up when GB has Brown, Cougill and Fouse/Turner on the court together.
If Valpo is ever going to utilize a "big" lineup, this would be the opportunity. However, my guess is Bryce will stay with his standard rotation and just rely more on the zone when GB goes big. Thoughts?
I was about ready to pose the same question. Who has the advantage in the big vs big? In a short stretch maybe GB but for a 10 min run maybe VU. This would be interesting to watch and this game could be a real coaching chessmatch. If that gambit is offered I would like to see us accept it just to see the results.
Nice video, maybe do an art of the 3pter with Ruan then have Jordan watch it since he has been stinking up the gym from outside the arc!
Valpo will separate themselves from the HL field with a good game:
Valpo - 73
Green Bay - 61
Quote from: agibson on January 22, 2013, 10:32:22 AM
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 22, 2013, 09:40:02 AM
What is line on this game?
I'm no expert at this, but I don't see a line yet. Maybe only high profile games get one this early?
The early line (1 service reporting) is Valpo -8.5
"If I was Green Bay I would be much more worried about Valpo then the Crusaders are about Green Bay"
If this is the case, we lose.
Don't forget. Last year we only beat GB by 3 at home and lost to them by 15 on the road. The year before that they beat us twice. That means we are 1-4 against them over the last 2 years. I believe that makes them the team that has given us the most problems over the last few years... This game is not going to be easy, and it is probably going to be very close.
Agreed.
I noticed that the Valpo at Green Bay return game is not until March 2nd, Saturday. That is the Saturday before the HL tournament begins on Tuesday, March 5. Hopefully by then Valpo will be more than 1 game up on the 2nd place team and the game won't have any effect on the final standings. That should be the goal of the team to make sure that game doesn't matter. Of course a lot of things could change before then.
This post assumes the top four teams are VU, WSU, Detroit, and GB.
I disagree with those who think a VU win tomorrow night will somehow "separate" us from the rest of the conference. A win tomorrow would put us at 6-1, Wright State at 5-1, and GB at 4-3. WSU has already played at Detroit and VU, meaning they only have at GB to play. VU, on the other hand, still has to play at GB and WSU. Plus we already have a home loss and WSU does not (our loss to Loyola may really come back to haunt us). So, a win keeps us even with WSU in the loss column, but with a tougher remaining road schedule. And a game left at their barn. A good case can be made that it is WSU, not VU, in the best position at this moment.
A loss to GB tomorrow will really hurt us since VU would be behind WSU (and as noted above, a tougher remaining road schedule that WSU, including a trip to WSU) and tied with GB at 5-2. However, GB would have ALL the road games against the other top teams out of the way. As noted earlier, we still have road games at GB and at WSU.
Conclusion: if this isn't the most important game we've played so far this year, it's close.
Paul
Quote from: wh on January 22, 2013, 03:35:12 PM
The early line (1 service reporting) is Valpo -8.5
The early line on tomorrow's Wright State vs. Youngstown State favors YSU by 3 points. I hope the odds are right in both cases, which would create a little separation at the top of the standings.
Quote from: HC on January 22, 2013, 01:52:41 PM
Nice video, maybe do an art of the 3pter with Ruan then have Jordan watch it since he has been stinking up the gym from outside the arc!
Wonder if they will do any for the Lady Saders?? Maybe get Coach Dorow out there in sport-cut, dri-fit sleeveless polo, maybe a coaching skirt or what not, highlighting the art of teaching the game...or something of that nature, haven't thought too much about it to be honest.
69-25! Let us forget not.
We still owe them. ;D
FINALLY someone who gets it! Nice predic joe...
I like the Crusaders by 21. Green Bay sucks.
I was at that disaster in the old Brown County Coliseum (I may not have that name correct); but we were stuck sitting on a painted 2x8 in the upper left corner of the place... and THEN we could not drop the ball in the ocean.... wouldn't I LOVE to see that favor returned...
Quote from: sliman on January 22, 2013, 05:09:29 PM"If I was Green Bay I would be much more worried about Valpo then the Crusaders are about Green Bay" If this is the case, we lose.
Sure, as long as the Valpo players think that GrBay should be more worried about them than they are about GrBay the Crusaders will lose. A blank statement like that is more crazy than the original statement. Mindsets are the only thing that affects the outcome of a game. It has nothing to do with physical talent at all.
Quote from: crusaderjoe on January 22, 2013, 08:45:49 PM
69-25! Let us forget not.
We still owe them. ;D
We lost by 44 to GB at one point? When was that?
Valpo is playing a good team that has struggled on the road. Valpo is also coming off two tough wins. Tight game but Valpo wins. 73-68
Quote from: valpotx on January 23, 2013, 04:31:00 AM
Quote from: crusaderjoe on January 22, 2013, 08:45:49 PM
69-25! Let us forget not.
We still owe them. ;D
We lost by 44 to GB at one point? When was that?
It was the final game of the 1991-92 season, I believe. It was the second consecutive 5-22 season, the end of Tracy Gipson's junior year.
The next year was the first season with Dave Redmon, Casey Schmidt and Tracy Gipson playing together and without looking it up, I think the record may have been 12-15. Best part of that season was beating Northern Illinois in the Mid-Continent Conference tournament at the Nutter Center. NIU was a 2, Valpo a 7. NIU was coming off a recent NCAA appearance and had some cocky players. Best part of the game was Redmon inbounding a ball off the backside of a NIU player and taking it in for a layup. VU then lost to host Wright State, and talk about cocky they had a coach who ended up getting fired a couple of years later for shoplifting vitamins, or something like that (chef can back me up on that). Wright State had a 7-footer named Mike Nahar who was pretty good, and some other complementary players. Not sure if they still had a guy named Billy Edwards, who was close to NBA talent.
Those were the days. But that 91-92 season was the last BAD season until the 9-win season when Buggs was a freshman. Of course, after the following season (93-94) the "old" Mid-Con split up. Wright State, NIU, Cleveland State, UIC, Green Bay, Milwaukee all left to create what is now the Horizon. Mid-Con commissioner Jon Steinbrecher did what he could to keep the Mid-Con together, bringing in what was then known as the East Coast League (something like that) which included Central Connecticut, Chicago State, Northeastern Illinois, Buffalo and Troy State. They were all bad. It obviously ended up helping Valpo, playing in a league that wasn't as tough. But I think Valpo would have done OK if those other schools hadn't left the Mid-Con, considering Bryce was on his way to play for Homer.
And that's our history lesson for the day. :)
A great history lesson. Redmon said after the game "Tracy (Gipson) did it to me in high school." The Wright State coach was Ralph Underhill. He always insisted that he forgot that he put the vitamins in his pocket.
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Teams, records: seriously, you don't know that already?
where to watch: and you call yourself a fan.
Relevant info
Tempo-free stats
POINTS PER POSSESSION: Valpo 1.04 (2nd in HL to Detroit), Green Bay .98 (t3 w/WSU.)
POINTS ALLOWED PER POSS: Valpo .92 (2nd to WSU), Green Bay .96 (5th)
Basically, it still takes 8 possessions for Valpo to go one point up on their opponents; it takes Green Bay 50, or almost an entire game. SO. there's that.
Possessions per game (tempo): Valpo 66.4 (5th), Green Bay 66.8 (4th)
Pretttttty similar.
eFG%: Valpo 53.7% (1st in HL), Green Bay 49.5% (3rd)
Interestingly, the only thing Green Bay is better than us, tempo-free? Free-throw production AND FT rate! We're 2nd in the HL in both and no one else is even CLOSE, but GB: whoa. (Don't forget the turnovers, dude. Always, the turnovers. *shiver*)
KNOW THINE ENEMY:
DANGERMOUSE: (http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/5768/663356-dangermouse_large.jpg)(http://image.cdnllnwnl.xosnetwork.com/pics32/300/BH/BHJHMBIGQJVVYQU.20121009131407.jpg)
Guess which one is the NBA-prospect center, and which one is actually good.
Soph G Keifer Sykes, all 5'11", 161 of him: (15.3 PPG; 45% 2s / 44% 3s / 81% FTs) is becoming a serious threat--put up 21 on Ray McCallum couple weeks ago, despite not taking a 3-ball. But in fact, he is merely 5th on the team in 3 point attempts, although he is BY FAR the best shot there (and better than anyone we have not from the Australian National Team). So let's hope this isn't the game he remembers HE ... HAS... THE POWER!
He-Man I Have The Power (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dJolYw8tnk#)
Seriously, dudes. Plays about 25% more than anyone else, and if this guy isn't NBA-material, least he's UFC-material:
(http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/968778/butlergreenbayblood.jpeg)
PENFOLD: (http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/8/85474/2557737-penfold1_large.jpg)(http://image.cdnllnwnl.xosnetwork.com/pics32/300/DS/DSEWALYMWYCOESR.20120420152326.jpg)
Kids, chants of "Hit the weight room" are recommended for tonight.
Surprised? Don't be. The dude has taken more 3-balls than his star guard (as many as Buggs and Capo put together!). Note: I didn't say "made", I said "has taken". Junior center Alec Brown, who everybody loves on the theory that it's safest to give a 7'1" dude anything he wants (even if he's 165 pounds), is actually (sssshhhhh!!) not that great. Sure, he's good, fine, whatever, but he's behind 3 other starters on his own team in efficiency per possession (Cougill, Sykes, Fouse), and should be considered even further behind them, given a "production-to-hype" ratio that isn't impressive. He's good at blocking shots, but in a block-percentage basis, he's actually not so far ahead of 6-7 freshman teammate forward Jordan Fouse as his height and position would imply. And he's well behind Fouse in both OREB and TREB percentages (Fouse: 24.1% / 21.4%; Brown: 21.7% / 20.4%). (I repeat, he's 7-freakin'-1, people.) What is he doing for them, besides occupying a lot of space? Guess we'll find out tonight when he goes up against THE MAJOR WRATH, won't we? And I will either eat those words or do a bunch of gloating.
THE PART WHERE I PREDICT THE SAME THING THAT RPIFORECAST DOES: Valpo by 6. 72% chance of win today. CUMONG GUYZ LEZ GETTIM
Quote from: Valpo89 on January 23, 2013, 09:41:00 AM
Quote from: valpotx on January 23, 2013, 04:31:00 AM
Quote from: crusaderjoe on January 22, 2013, 08:45:49 PM
69-25! Let us forget not.
We still owe them. ;D
We lost by 44 to GB at one point? When was that?
It was the final game of the 1991-92 season, I believe. It was the second consecutive 5-22 season, the end of Tracy Gipson's junior year.
The next year was the first season with Dave Redmon, Casey Schmidt and Tracy Gipson playing together and without looking it up, I think the record may have been 12-15. Best part of that season was beating Northern Illinois in the Mid-Continent Conference tournament at the Nutter Center. NIU was a 2, Valpo a 7. NIU was coming off a recent NCAA appearance and had some cocky players. Best part of the game was Redmon inbounding a ball off the backside of a NIU player and taking it in for a layup. VU then lost to host Wright State, and talk about cocky they had a coach who ended up getting fired a couple of years later for shoplifting vitamins, or something like that (chef can back me up on that). Wright State had a 7-footer named Mike Nahar who was pretty good, and some other complementary players. Not sure if they still had a guy named Billy Edwards, who was close to NBA talent.
Those were the days. But that 91-92 season was the last BAD season until the 9-win season when Buggs was a freshman. Of course, after the following season (93-94) the "old" Mid-Con split up. Wright State, NIU, Cleveland State, UIC, Green Bay, Milwaukee all left to create what is now the Horizon. Mid-Con commissioner Jon Steinbrecher did what he could to keep the Mid-Con together, bringing in what was then known as the East Coast League (something like that) which included Central Connecticut, Chicago State, Northeastern Illinois, Buffalo and Troy State. They were all bad. It obviously ended up helping Valpo, playing in a league that wasn't as tough. But I think Valpo would have done OK if those other schools hadn't left the Mid-Con, considering Bryce was on his way to play for Homer.
And that's our history lesson for the day. :)
Pretty close 89, Count me impressed! Actually they were 12-16 that year not 12-15! The bigger win that season was against that pesky South Bend school, winning 80-66 at their place for the second win in four years.
Quote from: Valpo89 on January 23, 2013, 09:41:00 AM
Quote from: valpotx on January 23, 2013, 04:31:00 AM
Quote from: crusaderjoe on January 22, 2013, 08:45:49 PM
69-25! Let us forget not.
We still owe them. ;D
We lost by 44 to GB at one point? When was that?
It was the final game of the 1991-92 season, I believe. It was the second consecutive 5-22 season, the end of Tracy Gipson's junior year.
The next year was the first season with Dave Redmon, Casey Schmidt and Tracy Gipson playing together and without looking it up, I think the record may have been 12-15. Best part of that season was beating Northern Illinois in the Mid-Continent Conference tournament at the Nutter Center. NIU was a 2, Valpo a 7. NIU was coming off a recent NCAA appearance and had some cocky players. Best part of the game was Redmon inbounding a ball off the backside of a NIU player and taking it in for a layup. VU then lost to host Wright State, and talk about cocky they had a coach who ended up getting fired a couple of years later for shoplifting vitamins, or something like that (chef can back me up on that). Wright State had a 7-footer named Mike Nahar who was pretty good, and some other complementary players. Not sure if they still had a guy named Billy Edwards, who was close to NBA talent.
Those were the days. But that 91-92 season was the last BAD season until the 9-win season when Buggs was a freshman. Of course, after the following season (93-94) the "old" Mid-Con split up. Wright State, NIU, Cleveland State, UIC, Green Bay, Milwaukee all left to create what is now the Horizon. Mid-Con commissioner Jon Steinbrecher did what he could to keep the Mid-Con together, bringing in what was then known as the East Coast League (something like that) which included Central Connecticut, Chicago State, Northeastern Illinois, Buffalo and Troy State. They were all bad. It obviously ended up helping Valpo, playing in a league that wasn't as tough. But I think Valpo would have done OK if those other schools hadn't left the Mid-Con, considering Bryce was on his way to play for Homer.
And that's our history lesson for the day. :)
You sure are right about that. There was no chance at making the Mid-Con post season conference tournament back in those days. When the ACMU/Mid Con moved to nine teams in the early 90's, only the top eight teams made the post season conference tournament if I remember correctly. VU was the odd man out on more than one occasion. I know it sounds ludicrous to chest thump about a 12-16 record, but that year really was memorable because we hadn't made a conference tournament in two years and had lost 68 games as a program in the three years prior. Ball State was a big win that year considering they had made the Sweet Sixteen a year or two before. Good history lesson '89.
Quote from: chef on January 23, 2013, 10:46:26 AM
A great history lesson. Redmon said after the game "Tracy (Gipson) did it to me in high school." The Wright State coach was Ralph Underhill. He always insisted that he forgot that he put the vitamins in his pocket.
Ralph Underhill. That's right chef. When he brought them to the ARC during the 5-22 years, he acted like he was too good to be here.
Billy Edwards was a very good player at the time, and VU had no one to match up with him. Valpo's starting guards at the time were probably 5-10 Tracy Gipson and 5-9 Rob Cavanaugh, and the biggest contributor on the team was probably Eric Suiter who was only about 6-5 but listed as 6-7 or 6-8. :)
So Homer didn't have anyone to stop a guy like Edwards, who was a 6-5 leaper and just dominated in the game at the ARC. It was during that time Wright State probably was getting the itch to move out of the Mid-Con because, at the time, Valpo was so bad.
But back to Underhill. He always wore real expensive suits and thought he was big time. So his downfall wasn't disappointing to watch.
And if you look at the records of Valpo vs. Wright State and all the other old Mid-Con schools that bolted after that 93-94 season, the Crusaders are over .500 against everyone - Cleveland State may be an exception. But it sucked at the time because Valpo had turned the corner and was ready to administer some payback on all those schools, and then they left. So it's nice to see Valpo succeed since joining the Horizon.
Great scouting report apostle!!!! Love all the images and the video. YOU DA MAN!
See ya in the chat?
What's the trick to actually getting this game to stream? The android app just lists games and it doesn't appear anything is clickable, and the web version tells me that I'm not subscribed to ESPN from my cable subscriber (I am).
You have to sign in from the ESPN page when it takes you to your internet provider sign-in
I guess it doesn't like the combination of DirecTV and Time Warner internet. Just not working.
Have to resort to old fashioned radio
http://streamdb3web.securenetsystems.net/v4/index.cfm?stationCallSign=WAKE&relocateURL=true (http://streamdb3web.securenetsystems.net/v4/index.cfm?stationCallSign=WAKE&relocateURL=true)
Good win, plus a WSU loss. Good night for the ol' Brown and Gold! The boys have been tested this last week and survived the runs, making their own just that much bigger! There's a winning instinct on this team...and I like it! We've just passed Florida and Boise St. in the student section competition btw to move to 13th. Don't forget to vote again tomorrow!
I have dish and it worked fine although it asppeared the lens had been smeared by butter. Tough game against a team that fight hards and guards well. Nonetheless, Ryan finds his way and Kevin, who has history of doing poorly against Brown, finds a way. tough, yet effective win and now a clear one game lead!!
Quote from: a3uge on January 23, 2013, 08:10:43 PMWe've just passed Florida and Boise St. in the student section competition btw to move to 13th. Don't forget to vote again tomorrow!
Can you vote more than once?
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 23, 2013, 09:24:41 PM
Quote from: a3uge on January 23, 2013, 08:10:43 PMWe've just passed Florida and Boise St. in the student section competition btw to move to 13th. Don't forget to vote again tomorrow!
Can you vote more than once?
You can vote once per day.
good win. Ryan didn't have much going until the end of the 2nd half. Its a good sign that we can still control a good team despite our star not having the best game. I thought we would strungle against their zone, but did just fine.
The foul on Kenny right before half was not wise but he probably knows it and would say he shouldn't have....other than that, 1st place!!!
Quote from: humbleopinion on January 20, 2013, 05:43:17 AM
I hope our defensive scheme does not include Buggs guarding Brown in the post. Switching in a man-to-man sometimes has unfortunate results...
The one time I noticed this Brown actually missed the layup. Derp.
8 turnovers, 13 assists. 6 big threes. one each from Buggs, Bogan, Kenney, Capo, Coleman and Broekhoff.
Dority shot 3 threes but unfortunately he never made one. Dority had 16 minutes playing time tonight. That's the same as Coleman and Capo.
It's so nice to be staying in a good position with our assists to turnover ratio.
Also hitting 6 threes sure helps this team out. After the way Milwaukee shot threes in the 2nd half of their game at UIC you can see how important those threes are.
I believe that is 3 straight games of more assists than turnovers. I don't want to jinx it, but we seemed to have stopped that dumb, jump before you know what you are doing strategy
If not for the hiccup at home against Loyola, we would have a 10 game win streak and undeafeted in conference play with 2 game lead.
But will settle for a 6 game win streak and 1st place after 40% of conference schedule completed. Tough road games against Wright State, Green Bay and ??? await. Next against YSU will be require full concentration and excecution. We have a target on our back and will get everyones best game.
I thought it was funny when one of the tennis players in the chairbacks was calling Cougill, "Cowgirl". Haha :lol: ;D
Apparent, Wardle was wired for sound. http://bit.ly/WZjbb5 (http://bit.ly/WZjbb5) Just posted on the HL site earlier today
Quote from: KL31NY on February 12, 2013, 08:15:56 PM
Apparent, Wardle was wired for sound. http://bit.ly/WZjbb5 (http://bit.ly/WZjbb5) Just posted on the HL site earlier today
Fun! And rather tightly edited. At least for the most report.
The scouting reports on the wall at ~19 seconds are interesting. I can't quite make them out.
Rowdy
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"Must block him out" and maybe "No easy points"
"Hot close out"
KVW
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"Cold close out"
Quote from: agibson on February 12, 2013, 08:41:07 PM
Quote from: KL31NY on February 12, 2013, 08:15:56 PM
Apparent, Wardle was wired for sound. http://bit.ly/WZjbb5 (http://bit.ly/WZjbb5) Just posted on the HL site earlier today
Fun! And rather tightly edited. At least for the most report.
The scouting reports on the wall at ~19 seconds are interesting. I can't quite make them out.
Rowdy
"Pick & Pop 4man- (can't read what it says next to that)
"Scores it off 3's & layups- Make Him play in the post
"Must block him out-No easy points"
"Hot close out"
KVW
"Very physical-Need angles to score-Deep post"
"Sets Ball Screens & something else
"Post hard he will foul us"
"Cold close out"
I checked out this highlight video segment, and could read some of what was there, but had to full screen to make it happen.
I wonder what a "hot" and "cold" close-out are?
Probably something about how physical the close-out/box-out has to be to keep Rowdy or Kevin away from the ball on the rebounds. Kevin can be a tad soft, possibly because of his body type and height, while Ryan is all over the court, focused on getting the ball at any cost, so you have to be "hard" on closing him out of the play.
Hot-close out long, make him dribble it, don't let him shoot
Cold-close out short, he's not going to make threes, don't run at him and allow him to drive by
Quote from: ValpoHoops on February 13, 2013, 01:48:14 PM
Hot-close out long, make him dribble it, don't let him shoot
about Kevin maybe? Or maybe Broekhoff?
Quote from: ValpoHoops on February 13, 2013, 01:48:14 PM
Cold-close out short, he's not going to make threes, don't run at him and allow him to drive by
about Buggs obviously
Ryan was on GB's board as "hot"...they didn't want to allow him to shoot
Kevin was listed as "cold"...no need to run out, he can't make that shot
KVW has shown the ability recently to make a shot a few feet out. Our guys are going against their scouting reports lately, which has helped us out a lot!
Didn't want to start a new thread just for this, but news is that Kam Cerroni, Green Bay's best 3-point shooter, has quit the team. This could weaken them a bit down the stretch and in their game against Valpo:
http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20130214/GPG020110/130214053/Cerroni-leaves-UWGB-basketball-team (http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20130214/GPG020110/130214053/Cerroni-leaves-UWGB-basketball-team)
Maybe not their best 3-point shooter this season? But, playing 21 minutes a game, and taking as many threes as anybody on the team. Nobody likes to lose a player like that, even if he is a role player.
(OK, if he's messing up the chemistry, maybe he's better off gone, but...)
wow...WH or anyone that regularly stops by others' message boards...are GB fans speculating about this?
the timing--plus his not-inconspicuous role ("It wasn't anything playing-time related. It had nothing to do with playing time.")--makes this so weird.
imagine if Jay Harris had left at this point last year. that must be what they're going through.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 14, 2013, 09:07:54 PM
wow...WH or anyone that regularly stops by others' message boards...are GB fans speculating about this?
the timing--plus his not-inconspicuous role ("It wasn't anything playing-time related. It had nothing to do with playing time.")--makes this so weird.
imagine if Jay Harris had left at this point last year. that must be what they're going through.
Yeah, at least Jay waited until the Miami game to quit on the team.
Awesome news for us!
Quote from: wh on February 14, 2013, 09:13:26 PMYeah, at least Jay waited until the Miami game to quit on the team.
+1 internetz
I just read the article, and I feel like it has to be about what his specific role is, and the playing time devoted to his role, as much as it might not be about total game playing time, as Cerroni says, it seems that it has a lot to do with how much playing time is devoted to his role on the team. Any other differences, if they couldn't hash it out privately, explains why Green Bay is such a streaky/sporadic team from one game to the next. Doesn't seem like UWGB has court leadership it needs to keep the wins coming, regardless of how hard it is supposed to be to win on the road. I mean Valpo has won on the road a lot this season, what did we do to put it together that other teams struggle to figure out?
Quote from: valporun on February 15, 2013, 11:05:02 AMDoesn't seem like UWGB has court leadership it needs to keep the wins coming, regardless of how hard it is supposed to be to win on the road. I mean Valpo has won on the road a lot this season, what did we do to put it together that other teams struggle to figure out?
Maturity. Don't you think Dority or Coleman might have some of the same thoughts as Cerroni. But they realize that their fellow team members see them as important and that makes it a lot easier to accept your roll on the team. Bryce does a great job of selling the need for certain players to play certain rolls on the team. Wardle was not able to sell the limited roll concept he had for Cerroni because Kam does not visualize the team concept Wardle is trying to sell such as the members of the Valpo team possess.
Thanks, bbtds. I guess I can see that with Cerroni now.
Dority has been hurting, which has been part of the reason for his minutes drop. No idea on Coleman, so hopefully that gets answered. Both stand to earn significant minutes next year, which could also be keeping them around.
Quote from: valpotx on February 15, 2013, 12:58:06 PMDority has been hurting, which has been part of the reason for his minutes drop. No idea on Coleman, so hopefully that gets answered. Both stand to earn significant minutes next year, which could also be keeping them around.
Yeah, Coleman and Dority (and to an extent Bobby, but he's getting consistent minutes now) would only hurt themselves by speaking out about their playing time this year. They know that next year they'll all be starting and getting 30 minutes/game, and they'll be the team leaders. With a bench as young as ours will be next year they know that the key to our success next season will be strong leadership from those 3
Is anyone willing to contribute the funds to get Vashil some work with Hakeem Olajuwan? 8)
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 14, 2013, 09:07:54 PM
wow...WH or anyone that regularly stops by others' message boards...are GB fans speculating about this?
the timing--plus his not-inconspicuous role ("It wasn't anything playing-time related. It had nothing to do with playing time.")--makes this so weird.
imagine if Jay Harris had left at this point last year. that must be what they're going through.
I remember a VU player that left abruptly in the 80's. Well know player as well. Transferred to Valpo from Florida, and then to Nevada, if I remember correctly. Of course, almost everyone knew why.
Quote from: covufan on February 15, 2013, 06:03:48 PMOf course, almost everyone knew why.
almost everyone : 80s :: no one : today
Quote from: covufan on February 15, 2013, 06:03:48 PM
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 14, 2013, 09:07:54 PM
wow...WH or anyone that regularly stops by others' message boards...are GB fans speculating about this?
the timing--plus his not-inconspicuous role ("It wasn't anything playing-time related. It had nothing to do with playing time.")--makes this so weird.
imagine if Jay Harris had left at this point last year. that must be what they're going through.
I remember a VU player that left abruptly in the 80's. Well know player as well. Transferred to Valpo from Florida, and then to Nevada, if I remember correctly. Of course, almost everyone knew why.
Rob Harden.
Quote from: StlVUFan on February 18, 2013, 11:55:01 AMRob Harden.
wow. really? "in my day" i remember seeing his and roger's names up on the wall for being Indiana All-Stars, along with others like Casey Schmidt...
Quote from: StlVUFan on February 18, 2013, 11:55:01 AM
Quote from: covufan on February 15, 2013, 06:03:48 PM
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 14, 2013, 09:07:54 PM
wow...WH or anyone that regularly stops by others' message boards...are GB fans speculating about this?
the timing--plus his not-inconspicuous role ("It wasn't anything playing-time related. It had nothing to do with playing time.")--makes this so weird.
imagine if Jay Harris had left at this point last year. that must be what they're going through.
I remember a VU player that left abruptly in the 80's. Well know player as well. Transferred to Valpo from Florida, and then to Nevada, if I remember correctly. Of course, almost everyone knew why.
Rob Harden.
Yes, in his last game with the Crusaders he gave asst coach, Dick Fick, the finger before sitting himself on the end of the bench and pouting. Then he was gone. He was a Valpo High grad. His brother, Roger, had played for Kentucky.
wow. just...um...wow. that's high-larious.
HARDEN FUN:
quitting UF: http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1755&dat=19820422&id=eEk1AAAAIBAJ&sjid=JWgEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5335,4068709 (http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1755&dat=19820422&id=eEk1AAAAIBAJ&sjid=JWgEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5335,4068709)
kind of fun update on the family: http://www.poweredbyrsn.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=7844 (http://www.poweredbyrsn.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=7844)
and it's always good to get a thread from the old board on the subject: http://valpofans.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=valposports&action=print&thread=1368 (http://valpofans.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=valposports&action=print&thread=1368)
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 15, 2013, 07:03:09 PM
Quote from: covufan on February 15, 2013, 06:03:48 PMOf course, almost everyone knew why.
almost everyone : 80s :: no one : today
Come on LaPorte. I'm a little disappointed you didn't know that one, even though it happened when you were probably about 5 years old.
It was a huge story back then. First of all, it was huge that Rob Harden transferred from Florida back home to play for Tom Smith. Rob had a bit of an edge, and that's probably why he flipped off the assistant coach. So then it was quite disappointing when things didn't work out at VU.
Well, I have certainly had an education thanks to y'all and the old threads I dug up (including one from the Liberty Flames' fanboard about Rodny, which unfortunately ended with his obituary).
I need to order Coach Knauff's book on "The Green and White", while we're at it! http://thegreenandwhitebook.com/order.asp (http://thegreenandwhitebook.com/order.asp)
Apparently to the world, only Rob's freshman year at UF counted. Too bad. Would be interesting to see how the rest of his career turned out. http://www.totalbasketballstats.com/Player.asp?id=20768 (http://www.totalbasketballstats.com/Player.asp?id=20768)
Rob's career at Nevada Reno went fairly well, if I recall. At least he didn't get kicked off the team for flipping off anybody.
I think he may have played in the NCAA Tournament.
Roger was hoping his son Joe would be a Division I player, but I don't think that panned out. I know at one point he was going to send a tape to Homer.
Roger is also in his first year of coaching a high school varsity boys team in Kentucky.
I was at the infamous Rob Harden game, and I'm not sure if he was flipping off Dick Fick or Tom Smith. Harden was the best player on the court for Valpo during those brief few games that season (82-83??), but had some attitude issues. That was a fun backcourt with Johnny Mac (McIlvaine) and Rob. I remember he had had a couple of bad calls on him, and they took him out. He was hot (not surprisingly) and they were "coaching" him as he came off the court. He was trying to cool off and headed to the water fountain in the old Hilltop which would be about where the visiting players entrance would be today, and they were still "coaching" him so he just nonchalantly turning back to our bench and gave the one-finger salute. I turned to my fellow student and said "did he just flip off coach"? And we both agreed we saw exactly what we thought we saw. Definitely one of the top 5 "highlights" of the early 1980s-AMCU-8 days.
Quote from: Valpo89 on February 18, 2013, 01:04:21 PM
Rob's career at Nevada Reno went fairly well, if I recall. At least he didn't get kicked off the team for flipping off anybody.
I think he may have played in the NCAA Tournament.
Roger was hoping his son Joe would be a Division I player, but I don't think that panned out. I know at one point he was going to send a tape to Homer.
Roger is also in his first year of coaching a high school varsity boys team in Kentucky.
http://www.kentucky.com/2012/05/01/2171786/former-kentucky-standout-harden.html (http://www.kentucky.com/2012/05/01/2171786/former-kentucky-standout-harden.html)
Roger is head coach at Williamstown High School, where his wife Gina is from.
Was wrong on what year Rob Harden played at VU -- it was 83-84.
Well, golly, V-89, you were right. i was 5.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 18, 2013, 12:37:19 PM
wow. just...um...wow. that's high-larious.
HARDEN FUN:
quitting UF: http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1755&dat=19820422&id=eEk1AAAAIBAJ&sjid=JWgEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5335,4068709 (http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1755&dat=19820422&id=eEk1AAAAIBAJ&sjid=JWgEAAAAIBAJ&pg=5335,4068709)
kind of fun update on the family: http://www.poweredbyrsn.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=7844 (http://www.poweredbyrsn.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=7844)
and it's always good to get a thread from the old board on the subject: http://valpofans.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=valposports&action=print&thread=1368 (http://valpofans.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=valposports&action=print&thread=1368)
Thanks for the trip down memory lane ... I played against Rob in high school and during his short career at Valpo. I'd say "fiery" would be a good description for his personality.
I saw Valpo HS and MC Rogers at the regional every year and it was always entertaining when those guys faced off. Rogers beat Valpo in the regional finals in '79 (after Rogers beat #1 SB Adams in the afternoon) and Valpo won the regional in '80 (beat Rogers in afternoon) and '81 (beat Rogers in finals).