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Thought the most appropriate thing to do after a game like that... was to forget it, and think about Friday's game at the Nutter Center...

so, Valpo's got their 6-game-conference-double-digit streak going... back into the 40s that never happened before...

We have a 1-game lead on the conference.

and Wright State comes back from 14 down to win it !  Paris Bass misses a 3-pointer at the buzzer... 77-76 Raiders... so Valpo plays ANOTHER 2nd place team on the road.

Quote from: talksalot on January 18, 2016, 08:14:58 PM
and Wright State comes back from 14 down to win it !  Paris Bass misses a 3-pointer at the buzzer... 77-76 Raiders... so Valpo planes ANOTHER 2nd place team on the road.

Was just watching the box score so didn't see the action but Detroit is down by 1 with 10 seconds to go and on a timeout and the best they can come up with is a Bass 3?  Poor coaching in spades.  On to the A-10.

An unholy amount of that awful under-the-basket camera views in that UDM-WSU game. I don't know who is responsible for making those decisions (ESPN producers?) but let's hope it isn't like that on Friday.

Wright State makes me nervous because they're playing well and they're the only other HL team that actually plays defense. We're not going to put up 96 on them. That said, we should have a considerable size advantage on them, and hopefully that gives them trouble.

Quote from: hailcrusaders on January 18, 2016, 08:21:47 PM
An unholy amount of that awful under-the-basket camera views in that UDM-WSU game. I don't know who is responsible for making those decisions (ESPN producers?) but let's hope it isn't like that on Friday.

Wright State makes me nervous because they're playing well and they're the only other HL team that actually plays defense. We're not going to put up 96 on them. That said, we should have a considerable size advantage on them, and hopefully that gives them trouble.

Every possession. It was unbearable. I don't understand why the under the basket camera exists. Even during replays it's not all that interesting.

Welp, if you want something done right, do it yourself, I guess ;)

Game #20 on the season...

14-15  Valpo 66 Wright State 56 - AWAY
13-14  Valpo 75 Milwaukee 62 - HOME
12-13  Valpo 69 Wright State 63 - HOME
11-12  Valpo 69 Loyola 48 - AWAY
10-11  Valpo 60 Milwaukee 43 - HOME
09-10  Valpo 64 UIC 58 - AWAY
08-09  Valpo 63 Milwaukee 51 - HOME
07-08  Valpo 60 UIC 56 - HOME
06-07  Valpo 56 UMKC 52 - AWAY (OT)
05-06  Valpo 99 Centenary 73 - HOME
04-05  Valpo 93 Southern Utah 77 - AWAY

that's 11 in a row!

03-04..... Centenary 78 Valpo 73 - AWAY

Quote from: vu72 on January 18, 2016, 08:17:16 PM

Quote from: talksalot on January 18, 2016, 08:14:58 PM
and Wright State comes back from 14 down to win it !  Paris Bass misses a 3-pointer at the buzzer... 77-76 Raiders... so Valpo planes ANOTHER 2nd place team on the road.

Was just watching the box score so didn't see the action but Detroit is down by 1 with 10 seconds to go and on a timeout and the best they can come up with is a Bass 3?  Poor coaching in spades.  On to the A-10.

It was a really deep contested three. They had an inbound at mid court and they pressured Bass receiving the pass, so he caught it going away from the hoop past mid court. He jacked it up with 3 seconds left, so they could have gotten a better look.

Detroit's poor coaching rears its ugly head again.

Quote from: a3uge on January 18, 2016, 08:35:02 PM

Quote from: vu72 on January 18, 2016, 08:17:16 PM

Quote from: talksalot on January 18, 2016, 08:14:58 PMand Wright State comes back from 14 down to win it !  Paris Bass misses a 3-pointer at the buzzer... 77-76 Raiders... so Valpo planes ANOTHER 2nd place team on the road.

Was just watching the box score so didn't see the action but Detroit is down by 1 with 10 seconds to go and on a timeout and the best they can come up with is a Bass 3?  Poor coaching in spades.  On to the A-10.

It was a really deep contested three. They had an inbound at mid court and they pressured Bass receiving the pass, so he caught it going away from the hoop past mid court. He jacked it up with 3 seconds left, so they could have gotten a better look. Detroit's poor coaching rears its ugly head again.

They're calling for McCallum's head over on the Detroit board, as is their custom after losses.

Surprise, surprise!

I am glad Wright State pulled it out.  Easier for the team to keep focus when 1st place is on the line. 

Our average margin of victory through our first 6 conference games is 20 points.  First post on the Wright State board about our game "this game will be tight".   

I'm thinking we will keep the double digit win streak alive against Wright State and probably in the 10-12 point win range. This team is just too deep and has so many weapons.

This game will NOT be tight:

Valpo 74
Wright State 61

I would rather have a two game lead.  But then again, just get the double bye.  1st place is just bragging rights.

Here's an interesting thought from a WSU fan on the Raider board:


I've been thinking about it for a while and here is the best scenario for the team this year. It will sound a bit crazy at first, but stay with me. First off, if we don't win the HL championship, we shouldn't go to the postseason. Our attendance is too low to justify a pay-to-play CIT or CBI bid on our end. That's a financial decision. It's NCAA or bust.[/size]Here's where I might sound a little crazy, but hear me out: we need Valpo to win out, including against us. The better their RPI, the better their chance of going in as a solid at-large bid with a good seed. Our losses are bad enough that we couldn't get anything above a 15 seed and that may be generous. If Valpo gets in on their own merits, it's more cash for everyone in the league, including them. Statistically, it would behoove them to lose the HL final. It would actually help us if we lost twice to them and won out against everyone else. We'd get the league's 2 seed on a neutral court, win two tourney games, and BAM! Two HL teams are dancing. I'm not suggesting anyone try to throw a game here or that Donlon and Drew ever would. If it played out this way, though, I'd be pleased as punch. As a fan of MAC football, I watched this happen almost every year in the BCS days. Someone would go undefeated and start knocking at the door of the top 10, then they'd get tripped up by a second tier rival and everyone -including the team that beat them - got a lower tier bowl. Hell, teams actually won themselves out of bowl game by pulling the upset. I realize how much this sounds against logic and the spirit of competition, but if only a couple of games really count at this point, we might as well do the best we can and hope to win 11 more games instead of 13.[/size]

We can't let them slow it down.

Valpo   75
WSU    57

WSU has not beaten anyone in the RPI top 150 this year - Their RPI is #151

Wins over:   #154 South Dakota, #160 Milwaukee and #162 Murray State
Bad Losses:  #301 Cal State Northridge, #231 Miami (OH), #157 George Mason

Other games:  Lost @ #18 Kentucky by 15; Lost @ #3 Xavier by 35; Lost at home to #93 Georgia State by 13 (only home loss)

Raider season Stat sheet:

http://www.wsuraiders.com/fls/27000/legacy/m-baskbl/1516Stats/Overall.pdf (http://www.wsuraiders.com/fls/27000/legacy/m-baskbl/1516Stats/Overall.pdf)

Benzinger is the real deal from 3-point range; Karena is big, fouled out of 7 games this year, 51% FT shooter.

NolanRPI Predictor... Valpo by 3 with a 59% chance of winning

Perhaps most telling is the fact that Wright State is 8-1 since losing by 5 at Miami in mid-December.  In the month since, they are 8-1 with the only loss being at Green Bay by 8.  That weekend included a Thursday OT win at Milwaukee.  This may be our biggest challenge since at Oakland -- and perhaps greater.  For someone seeking a pretty game with smooth offensive flow, this probably won't be it!

Couldn't agree more with sliman.....WSU is could be our biggest challenge to date.  defense is a strength ...looking forward to a battle with VU coming out on top

We will win this one like most of the others. Wright State has a good defense but Valpo is simply too athletic for them to handle. Their defense keeps the game respectable up 10 at half and wind up winning by 14.

Valpo 66
WSU 52

Starters for their Youngstown Game...
                                                    ppg and rpg and notes
3 Mark Hughes (6-4, 180, Fr., G)* 3.1 2.7 11 points at Milwaukee
13 Grant Benzinger (6-3, 190, So., G) * 8.6 2.3 5 threes vs Cleveland St
14 Michael Karena (6-10, 270, Sr., C) * 9.6 3.8 16 points vs Cleveland St
23 Mark Alstork (6-5, 190, So., G) * 11.9 4.7 18/6 at NKU
32 Joe Thomasson (6-4,165, Sr., G) * 9.8 5.1 21 points at Milwaukee

If anyone is coming to the game, you can get discounted tickets (for all WSU games actually) by going to wsuraidertix.com and using the promo code REACH16.  Gets you $4 off "non-premium" seats, which I believe are rows 13 and up on the sidelines.

I think that Valpo will get Wright State's best shot, which often is better when the team is more defensively oriented. Valpo will play tough though and make more plays overall with a second or third option on offense being the key (likely one of the Walkers or Hammink).

Valpo 63
Wright State 57

Bryce and Todd Preview show...

http://valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/#.Vp__JPkrJpg (http://valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/#.Vp__JPkrJpg)

Quote from: talksalot on January 19, 2016, 01:11:21 PM
Starters for their Youngstown Game...
                                                    ppg and rpg and notes
3 Mark Hughes (6-4, 180, Fr., G)* 3.1 2.7 11 points at Milwaukee
13 Grant Benzinger (6-3, 190, So., G) * 8.6 2.3 5 threes vs Cleveland St
14 Michael Karena (6-10, 270, Sr., C) * 9.6 3.8 16 points vs Cleveland St
23 Mark Alstork (6-5, 190, So., G) * 11.9 4.7 18/6 at NKU
32 Joe Thomasson (6-4,165, Sr., G) * 9.8 5.1 21 points at Milwaukee

So we start 6'10", 6'9" and 6'8" up front and 6'2" and 6'2" in the backcourt.  Their guards are bigger until 6'7" and 6'8" come into the game.  It will depend on hitting shots and rebounding.  They are leading the league in FG% at 46.3 but are allowing 63.8 to our 60 ppg.  The big thing is our bebounding advantage at plus 9.5 to their minus 1.6.  I'm looking for a 7 point win on their floor, 68-60

Sorta surprised there are still so many good seat available for this game....

http://www.ticketmaster.com/wright-state-raiders-mens-basketball-vs-dayton-ohio-01-22-2016/event/16004F36831A0F71?artistid=843553&majorcatid=10004&minorcatid=7&tm_link=venue_msg-0_16004F36831A0F71 (http://www.ticketmaster.com/wright-state-raiders-mens-basketball-vs-dayton-ohio-01-22-2016/event/16004F36831A0F71?artistid=843553&majorcatid=10004&minorcatid=7&tm_link=venue_msg-0_16004F36831A0F71)

Quote from: vu72 on January 20, 2016, 03:52:49 PMThe big thing is our bebounding advantage at plus 9.5 to their minus 1.6.

That could get ugly for Wright State. I'm waiting for the league to start publishing conference-game-only stats.  Our rebound margin then is *sick*.

Quote from: agibson on January 20, 2016, 04:40:07 PM

Quote from: vu72 on January 20, 2016, 03:52:49 PMThe big thing is our bebounding advantage at plus 9.5 to their minus 1.6.

That could get ugly for Wright State. I'm waiting for the league to start publishing conference-game-only stats.  Our rebound margin then is *sick*.

Statsheet used to have this data. Sucks they were sold.

Quote from: a3uge on January 20, 2016, 04:45:44 PM

Quote from: agibson on January 20, 2016, 04:40:07 PM

Quote from: vu72 on January 20, 2016, 03:52:49 PMThe big thing is our bebounding advantage at plus 9.5 to their minus 1.6.

That could get ugly for Wright State. I'm waiting for the league to start publishing conference-game-only stats.  Our rebound margin then is *sick*.

Statsheet used to have this data. Sucks they were sold.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/valparaiso/2016.html (http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/valparaiso/2016.html)
We're +108 through 6 conference games, an average of +18

Raider Conference-Only Stats

http://www.wsuraiders.com/fls/27000/legacy/m-baskbl/1516Stats/League.pdf (http://www.wsuraiders.com/fls/27000/legacy/m-baskbl/1516Stats/League.pdf)

Quote from: hailcrusaders on January 20, 2016, 04:57:49 PMhttp://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/valparaiso/2016.html
We're +108 through 6 conference games, an average of +18

Sorry to be dense, but where on that page is the rebound margin?

It seemed like the sort of thing they might have, so I did spend some time looking there the other day, and again now.  Didn't quickly come up with it.

Quote from: vu72 on January 20, 2016, 03:52:49 PM

Quote from: talksalot on January 19, 2016, 01:11:21 PM
Starters for their Youngstown Game...
                                                    ppg and rpg and notes
3 Mark Hughes (6-4, 180, Fr., G)* 3.1 2.7 11 points at Milwaukee
13 Grant Benzinger (6-3, 190, So., G) * 8.6 2.3 5 threes vs Cleveland St
14 Michael Karena (6-10, 270, Sr., C) * 9.6 3.8 16 points vs Cleveland St
23 Mark Alstork (6-5, 190, So., G) * 11.9 4.7 18/6 at NKU
32 Joe Thomasson (6-4,165, Sr., G) * 9.8 5.1 21 points at Milwaukee

So we start 6'10", 6'9" and 6'8" up front and 6'2" and 6'2" in the backcourt.  Their guards are bigger until 6'7" and 6'8" come into the game.  It will depend on hitting shots and rebounding.  They are leading the league in FG% at 46.3 but are allowing 63.8 to our 60 ppg.  The big thing is our bebounding advantage at plus 9.5 to their minus 1.6.  I'm looking for a 7 point win on their floor, 68-60

WSU is the HL team most like us.  In conference play (forget OOC), through 6 games (3 home and 3 away) we both shot 126 3-pointers and we made one more than their 43.  We shoot about the same overall and the scoring attempts and minutes are spread out among multiple players in very similar fashion.  Where we differ notably is at center and the significant factor is that they are not a shot-blocking team at all (5 total in 6 games) and we have Vashil.  In general, Karena is more of a scorer, but Vashil seems to have found an offensive side in conference play that he'll want to bring to help keep things in balance as far as fouls are concerned.  In addition, we have gotten to the charity stripe more than they (153 to 108) and shot better (75% to 69%) and I expect that to continue if they try to limit our rebounds.

Quote from: agibson on January 20, 2016, 05:12:35 PM

Quote from: hailcrusaders on January 20, 2016, 04:57:49 PMhttp://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/valparaiso/2016.html We're +108 through 6 conference games, an average of +18

Sorry to be dense, but where on that page is the rebound margin? It seemed like the sort of thing they might have, so I did spend some time looking there the other day, and again now.  Didn't quickly come up with it.

The fourth red tab down is "Conference Team and Opponent Stats." The 'TRB' column (total rebounds) shows that we are outrebounding conferencing opponents 287-179, for a margin of +108.

What's perhaps more remarkable is that we have 92 offensive rebounds to our opponents' 119 defensive rebounds (in conference play). Thus, we have roughly a 44% rebounding rate on shots we miss. That's incredible.

Line opens at Valpo -8.5, slides to -8.

Quote from: ValpoHoops on January 21, 2016, 12:35:02 PM
Line opens at Valpo -8.5, slides to -8.

It's a little scary being favored by that much, on the road, in a battle between two fairly defensive (#3, #42), fairly slow/methodical (#249, #294 in pace) teams.

Quote from: agibson on January 21, 2016, 03:45:03 PM

Quote from: ValpoHoops on January 21, 2016, 12:35:02 PM
Line opens at Valpo -8.5, slides to -8.

It's a little scary being favored by that much, on the road, in a battle between two fairly defensive (#3, #42), fairly slow/methodical (#249, #294 in pace) teams.

I think every conference game someone has made a remark about the spread being a little too high.

Not sure where to put this, so I'll post it here.  Bryce was on Indianapolis radio this evening.  Tony Donohue is a region guy and big Valpo fan, so he makes sure the Crusaders get some attention in this market.  Here's the link to the podcast:

http://www.1070thefan.com/blogs/ride-jmv/valpo-head-coach-bryce-drew-joins-show (http://www.1070thefan.com/blogs/ride-jmv/valpo-head-coach-bryce-drew-joins-show)

Who cares what the spread is...we only have to win by at least 1! Anyways, time for my prediction....

Valpo wins a lopsided game (again) 75-60

This is the best Defense we have seen in a while, a slow start. VU 72 WSU 67 Close! 

Quote from: zvillehaze on January 21, 2016, 09:11:38 PM
Not sure where to put this, so I'll post it here.  Bryce was on Indianapolis radio this evening.  Tony Donohue is a region guy and big Valpo fan, so he makes sure the Crusaders get some attention in this market.  Here's the link to the podcast:

http://www.1070thefan.com/blogs/ride-jmv/valpo-head-coach-bryce-drew-joins-show (http://www.1070thefan.com/blogs/ride-jmv/valpo-head-coach-bryce-drew-joins-show)

That's interesting. I didn't know Tony Donohue was from Portage. I don't listen to 1070 as much as I used to because Dan Dakich turns me off.

I'd missed this detail: Wright State trailed by 14 in the second half against Detroit, before coming back, taking the lead for only the final 18 seconds.  Could be exciting. They're undefeated when scoring at least 70, and a win tonight would give them their best league start under Donlon.

Donlon, too, has noticed the conference rebounding statistics
http://www.mydaytondailynews.com/news/sports/college/wsu-looks-for-share-of-league-lead-against-dominan/np87c/ (http://www.mydaytondailynews.com/news/sports/college/wsu-looks-for-share-of-league-lead-against-dominan/np87c/)

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"Six games is a decent window to look at conference stats, and through six league games they get 46 percent of their missed shots," Donlon said ahead of Friday night's showdown for first place in the Horizon League.

"Think about that," Donlon continued. "Basically every two shots that they miss, they get one of them. That is an incredible statistic. That stat, to have any success, has got to come down when you're defending them."

...

"I still think your job defensively when you play them is to do the best you can planning-wise to get them to miss the first shot," Donlon said. "We'll still attack it with that philosophy in mind. But if you get them to miss, they can't get their own rebounds it 46 percent of the time. It can't be 25 percent of the time.

"When you work so hard and get them to miss and they get their own miss, that can be deflating," he added. "Rebounding comes down to some fight and some grit."

...

"But Vashil Fernandez at the rim, there's nothing else like it in the league. His waiver going through, which I'm glad it did because it deserved to go through, was significant for them. They would be good without him, believe me. But he's such a game changer at the other end."

And

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The Raiders (11-8, 5-1) rank last in the league in rebounding (32.4)

(OK - they're a low tempo team, so it's not really fair to use that statistic... But, rebounding seems to not be a strength of theirs.)

Nice game day piece (despite a couple of apparent editing errors).

I like Donlon. We need more coaches like him in the league. I just wish they'd perform better OOC... always seems like they under-perform coming into conference play and then pick it up during the season.

Part of that might be style of play - the slow paced style is always better against the less athletic and smaller Horizon League, but it's hard to beat bigger lineups running only half court sets.

I think the way to beat Valpo is what Belmont and Ball State did to the defense: get 5 shooters on the court and get Vashil away from the basket. Be patient and move the ball until you find an easier basket inside against Peters or Jubril instead of Vashil. You're not going to outsize Valpo and get baskets by feeding the post, and you're not going to score by driving and kicking out for a 3. Belmont was great at getting inside looks, even with Vashil in the game. They had great ball movement and ended up with easy layups. Belmont is an above average 3pt shooting team, and they take a lot of long range shots. But they're #1 in the country in 2pt FG%! Against Valpo they shot 62% from 2PT. I expect Wright State to try much the same, but I don't think they have the same crispness on offense to score many inside points. They're great on defense, but are going to surrender a ton of second chance looks from the size mismatch and Valpo's excellent rebounding.

So Valpo wins.

Quote from: a3uge on January 22, 2016, 10:19:02 AMBelmont is an above average 3pt shooting team, and they take a lot of long range shots. But they're #1 in the country in 2pt FG%! Against Valpo they shot 62% from 2PT.

Their back door cuts, I think that's what you call them, were a thing of beauty.  What passing.

A3 and AG - Interesting observations...

Quote from: agibson on January 22, 2016, 10:25:58 AM

Quote from: a3uge on January 22, 2016, 10:19:02 AMBelmont is an above average 3pt shooting team, and they take a lot of long range shots. But they're #1 in the country in 2pt FG%! Against Valpo they shot 62% from 2PT.

Their back door cuts, I think that's what you call them, were a thing of beauty.  What passing.

Yeah, they were terrible in the first game, but I really understand their strategy now. They shoot a lot of threes to set up good inside looks. Earlier this season I lumped them in with Oakland, now Green Bay, old VMI, but their offense is much more ball movement oriented than  penetration, kick out, jack up a 3.

Wright State is the most similar team in the HL in terms of style of play. Valpo simply has too much talent and athleticism for Wright State to win. Wright State keeps it "close" about a 10 point margin with a few minutes left, Valpo hits a few free-throws and wins by 13-16.

Our coaches and players have had 3 days to prepare for a bad offensive team that is also undersized. I see us taking this one rather easily. Not like Monday where we were seemingly shot out of a cannon, but more of the slow knife approach.

Valpo 67
WSU 48

Quote from: classof2014 on January 22, 2016, 11:28:40 AMValpo simply has too much talent and athleticism for Wright State to win.

I can't quite place the quote, but it made a significant impression on me at the time.  Roy Williams, Valpo @ UNC.  TV game. Not sure if it was December 2007 when they were #1, or November 2009 when they were only #6/4.

In what seemed to me a perfectly smarmy tone, probably trying to be complementary after mentioning some positives about Valpo, but expecting a big win, he said something like "They're just not as athletically gifted as we are.", or "They're simply not as talented."

I do not remember that quote, but the 2007 Valpo/UNC  game yielded one of my favorite halftime quotes ever from a coach. UNC scores the first 13 points and Valpo cannot hit a shot despite getting open looks, but then Valpo starts hitting shots and cuts a big lead to 5 at the half. At halftime, the ESPN sideline reporter asks Roy Williams if he was impressed with his team's  defensive effort given that Valpo did not score for the first 7 minutes. Williams responds, "what game are you watching?"

Valpo then and now is not as talented as that UNC team, but Valpo's talent level is so much greater and deeper than it ever has been.

Slow, grind it out game. I don't know if our 10 point MOV streak survives though.

Valpo 63
WSU 57

When I watched UMD at WSU the two commentators were huge fans of WSU.  One (Brown) was yelling and celebrating the last second shot.  Hope I don't have to listen to that again....

Coach Jim Brown needs to be slapped upside the head if he mis-pronounces our team name again... I'm up to 4...

2 hand hold on Peter away from the ball on every possession so far. 

Whats the record for lowest halftime score?

The play-by-play guy seems OK, but Brown is awful. Agree on the pronunciation issue.

Need to settle down and get good possessions.

D.Walker 15 WSU 18 with 4 minutes left in the 1st half. 

Not sure if Drew is getting out-coached...Yet... 

But Donlon has been playing a lot of 4 guard offenses, and after a switch or two, Fernandez has had to play a guard out by the 3 point line.  They have gotten 7 points so far because of that.

At the half... Valpo 25 WSU 22 a 3/4-court for Benzinger at the buzzer

They should look at the 3/4 court shot again. Not sure he got that off in time, but it was close.

Tonagel's shot was in _____ against ____ from about the same distance... who can fill in the blanks?

Quote from: talksalot on January 22, 2016, 06:15:44 PM
Coach Jim Brown needs to be slapped upside the head if he mis-pronounces our team name again... I'm up to 4...

He is either dumber then a doorknob or deliberately trying to mispronounce the name.  He is sitting right next to a guy who seems to be saying it correctly over and over again so the dope catches on.  What an idiot.

Jabril looks flat out horrible.  Looks like he could give two craps about playing today.  Every time he touches the ball it's a bad shot or turnover.  His defense is the weakest on the team. 

No peters involvement whatsoever.  Won't surprise me if we lose. 

We're up 3... if we play them even in the second half, we win.

Jim Brown related to former Texas football coach Mac Brown? 

Quote from: vu72 on January 22, 2016, 06:48:45 PM

Quote from: talksalot on January 22, 2016, 06:15:44 PM
Coach Jim Brown needs to be slapped upside the head if he mis-pronounces our team name again... I'm up to 4...

He is either dumber then a doorknob or deliberately trying to mispronounce the name.  He is sitting right next to a guy who seems to be saying it correctly over and over again so the dope catches on.  What an idiot.

The play-by-play guy is just as much at fault.  How many timeouts has he had to straighten the guy out, but hasn't?  The whole thing is ignorant and disrespectful. 

Quote from: Chairback on January 22, 2016, 06:52:09 PM
Jabril looks flat out horrible.  Looks like he could give two craps about playing today.  Every time he touches the ball it's a bad shot or turnover.  His defense is the weakest on the team. 

No peters involvement whatsoever.  Won't surprise me if we lose. 

Yep, it's amazing we're up.  Fortunately, WSU looks equally pathetic.  Someone is going to get their head out of their butt in the 2nd half.  Let's hope it's us.  This smells like Ball State (without the injury excuse).

Karena sets an illegal screen on every possession, has not been called once.  I get it, every call against us is accurate, but WSU has not had one called on them yet.

16 to play second half... UIC 41-36... just sayin'

We better pull our heads out of our rears. Suddenly down 5 with 10:00 to go. Missing free throws, missing bunnies. Ugly looking stuff in the last few minutes, frustrating.

Make it down 7. Ugh!

Sting would likely disagree on the mis-pronunciation. Lol.

What a block by Peters! Sandwiched between hitting two three pointers. Attached boy.

Where is K.Carter?

This color commentator is borderline brutal on the ears. The southern drawl, the know-it-all attitude, the vendetta he has against occasional silence.

Where is Hammink? Or the guy that made 4 three pointers in the first half?

Quote from: rink on January 22, 2016, 07:42:07 PMThis color commentator is borderline brutal on the ears. The southern drawl, the know-it-all attitude, the vendetta he has against occasional silence.

And the cheers (YES!) every time WSU hits a bucket.

Quote from: oklahomamick on January 22, 2016, 07:38:19 PM
Where is K.Carter?

Carter got hurt. Rod Moore says foot sprain.

Bad bad game. 

So bad...there's a certain look to these games that we are going to lose as the string above indicates.  A loss does not lower the top end potential of this team but does take practically all of the fun out of being a fan for the next few weeks until Valpo can start another streak.  No more vote counting...no more twitter watching...ugh.   :'(

Oh well. Just didn't have it tonight.  Wright State is tough in their place with a little home cooking foul wise. Better come back strong Sunday. Would hate to see them lose in the first game I've seen live since 1969!

Hopefully Carter doesn't stay out long because the offense looks terrible without him.  Fortunately it's the "easy" part of the schedule coming up.

Valpo shoots 34% in the second half... WSU shoots 61%...

oh, Thomasson can shoot free throws

Where was KC in the 2nd half?  Where was Darien in the 2nd half?  Why weren't they playing?  EVN was terrible.  Shane was terrible.  Why weren't our quicker guards in the game? 

Garbage

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This is a loss that is worse than Ball State.  Wright State is not good.  The loss happened when Carter got hurt, as Nickerson played like garbage, forcing passes all over the place, resulting in turnovers that weren't because of any type of pressure defense.  He does not look ready to be back on the court playing any type of significant minutes at this point.  Did Darien and Shane get hurt as well?  They weren't in the game for most of the second half.  Really bad loss.  Please stop bringing up any at-large possibility, as this should be the nail in the coffin of that talk.

Again, we get a little bit excited as a fanbase, and poof ... disappointed. We have looked so incredibly bad this half. Sloppy with the ball AGAIN. I hope this pisses off the players and coaches. We should stomp a team like Wright St if we're supposed to be on par with St Marys, Gonzaga, BUTLER, etc. I guess we're not that caliber. Disappointing.

Quote from: talksalot on January 22, 2016, 07:56:45 PM
Valpo shoots 34% in the second half... WSU shoots 61%...

oh, Thomasson can shoot free throws

Then why didn't we deny him the inbounds pass?  Then why did we immediately foul him when there was still plenty of time?  Even the announcers were dumbfounded by what we were doing.

Quote from: oklahomamick on January 22, 2016, 07:43:27 PM
Where is Hammink? Or the guy that made 4 three pointers in the first half?

I recognize that the Walkers are not PGs, but I can't see how you can justify leaving Nickerson out there to dribble endlessly, shoot errant threes, and stagnate our offense with his one-on-one play. Particularly when D. Walker had played so well.  Frustrating to watch. Get well VERY soon Keith!

Quote from: oklahomamick on January 22, 2016, 07:43:27 PM
Where is Hammink? Or the guy that made 4 three pointers in the first half?

Quote from: FWalum on January 22, 2016, 07:45:00 PMCarter got hurt. Rod Moore says foot sprain.

Great win for WSU! EVN might be the slightly more experienced point but Hammink is also a good defender and you would think should have gotten the nod. Even with the loss I am glad to see EVN getting fully back into the rotation, but he is still showing the signs of rust. A lot of questions the coaches will need to answer.

Quote from: valpotx on January 22, 2016, 07:59:25 PMWright State is not good

Their RPI is 131 and they've won 9 of their last 10.... sounds like they've righted their ship... be a helluva game Tuesday March 8th at Historic JLA.

Quote from: rink on January 22, 2016, 08:00:17 PM
Again, we get a little bit excited as a fanbase, and poof ... disappointed. We have looked so incredibly bad this half. Sloppy with the ball AGAIN. I hope this pisses off the players and coaches. We should stomp a team like Wright St if we're supposed to be on par with St Marys, Gonzaga, BUTLER, etc. I guess we're not that caliber. Disappointing.

Your golden hour. Oh, how you love to be a naysayer.  Last weekend you were almost positive with your praise, I did say almost, of this Valpo team.

Quote from: justducky on January 22, 2016, 08:09:25 PMEven with the loss I am glad to see EVN getting fully back into the rotation, but he is still showing the signs of rust. A lot of questions the coaches will need to answer.

I am of the belief that this is what EVN is. He can certainly play better than this, but I think he disrupts our offensive flow and does not have the scoring ability of any other guard on our team. Beyond his height, what does he offer that our other guards, including Hammink, don't?

Quote from: wh on January 22, 2016, 07:58:18 PMWhere was KC in the 2nd half?

He turned his ankle.  Haven't you been watching?

I actually like Chris Collins a lot, along with Al Pawloski (sp?).  It pains me that Collins is paired with such an idiot.

Quote from: valpotx on January 22, 2016, 07:59:25 PMWright State is not good.

Yes and no. It is no accident that our loss came to a Donlon team which always features good defense. Our defense wasn't bad but theirs was better.

Quote from: wh on January 22, 2016, 08:01:31 PM

Quote from: talksalot on January 22, 2016, 07:56:45 PM
Valpo shoots 34% in the second half... WSU shoots 61%...

oh, Thomasson can shoot free throws

Then why didn't we deny him the inbounds pass?  Then why did we immediately foul him when there was still plenty of time?  Even the announcers were dumbfounded by what we were doing.

I certainly didn't understand it. Why did we not get Peters more opportunities? Why was Nickerson forcing the ball down the lane? Why didn't Nickerson get pulled? Why did Tevonn force shots? Why can't Joseph or Williams play in these situations? It's a huge mystery to me that a team that has played so well this year can make all these mistakes on the floor and the coaching staff make so many mistakes from the bench.

Quote from: talksalot on January 22, 2016, 08:12:12 PM

Quote from: valpotx on January 22, 2016, 07:59:25 PMWright State is not good

Their RPI is 131 and they've won 9 of their last 10.... sounds like they've righted their ship... be a helluva game Tuesday March 8th at Historic JLA.

That was a team that we should have beaten by double figures, similar to Ball State.  Just watching the game, it was painful watching it getting closer once we had that 9-10 point lead, as the difference in overall talent was large.  We were playing like crap, but still had a double digit lead.  Keith gets hurt, and it completely changed the game, as EVN looked like a lost child out there.  I like EVN, but Bryce should have chanced Max or Lexus at some point that last 5-6 minutes, as it was a disservice to EVN to keep him out there when he was playing like that. 

Time for a bold prediction. Assuming Carter does not miss an extended amount of time, we win out. As frustrating as this loss is, sometimes losing a game you shouldn't can be a blessing in disguise. We've played pretty well since the bad loss at Ball State, and I expect this excellent coaching staff to capitalize on this disappointment. General Game thoughts:

The Good: Welcome back DWalk. No I don't know why you didn't play more in the second half either, but if you play this well the rest of the season, having three starter quality bench players (DW, JA, SH) will be an asset going forward. Next, I may be the first one to jump on bad announcing, but I didn't mind the color guy tonight. Yes he couldn't pronounce our name, and cheered like crazy every time they hit a shot, but he called it like he saw it with the fouls and did a good job complimenting our players tonight. He knew our team, what we ran and what we liked to do. I'll take that anyday over most of the guys we've had on the road this year.

The Bad: For what seems like the umpteenth time this year, we failed to match the intensity of our opponent on the road. We may never be the next Butler, but going back to those years Butler dominated the conference under Stevens, they consistently brought a tempo, and an intensity every night. They may have not have run through the conference each and every year, but they were never out hustled, and they were never out thought. We were both tonight. With some of the national shout outs comes a big old bullseye right square between your shoulder blades. I truly didn't think we'd go 18-0 in this conference, but the way we lost this game was very disappointing. Also, this offense is lost without KC. You can squeak by NKU without him, but if he misses some serious time this team will struggle to score.

This loss gives me a little hesitation, but (assuming KC misses < 2 games) not a lot of worry. I like how this team has responded to bad games this year. See you all Sunday!

Also, Collins has a solid broadcasting voice, and I like listening to him.  The other guy is extremely annoying.  Constantly pronouncing names incorrectly, often thinking that EVN and Vashil were the same guy (as he did last year), and otherwise being all over the place.

Really tough loss. Peters didn't shoot a free throw, despite having a size mismatch. These things happen, but unfortunately because we're playing in the 2015-16 Horizon League it's to the second place 130-RPI team, instead of a quality loss.

Still in good shape, obviously, but it stings. We should rebound well and knock off several wins in a row against inferior teams during this stretch.

I should probably wait till tomorrow before posting again, but I just feel like venting so here it goes...

This of course is not the end of the world and all that good stuff, but it is the end of what could have been a season for the ages - a chance to be ranked in the Top 25 for the 1st time in history, a chance for a seed in the top half of the bracket, a chance to make the tournament as an at-large if we lose the HL tournament, and our best chance to win a game or 2 in the Big Dance.  All gone - just like that.  We were a cat with 3 lives after the Ball State and Belmont losses, but mid majors from crap conferences like ours don't get 4 lives. If we could just once - just one time - emulate what Butler did when they were in our shoes - run the table, get ranked, receive national recognition - but we just can't. 

So, it's time to get back to our usual hopes and dreams - win the league if we can, get 1 of the top 2 seeds in the HL tournament if we can, make that gawd-awful journey to Crime City USA with 499 other hardcore Valpo fans for weeknight semi's and finals (unbelievable), win a tournament that's rigged in favor of 2 local teams if we can, and pray for a 12 or 13 seed.   

Sucks.  We have to win the conference tournament on a neutral floor.  Most talented team we have had in years but little room for error. 

This was the kind of game I was expecting on the 8th up in Rochester.

From that 70-footer, to a bunch of other things, I think WSU should hit the slot machines later, but seriously, we did not react to their intensity very well.

The only call I was pissed about was when Vashil got plowed on the baseline and was called for traveling in the 2nd half.  I can believe that they got away with some stuff, but that was the only one I saw.

Honestly, Chris Collins' sidekick does sort of fit the ambiance of the place.  I paid my first visit to the Nutter Center this year and it is an intimidating place.  Just the layout is kind of unfriendly to a visiting fan, I thought.  I walked up a ramp to go to my seat and someone had to point out that the ramp doesn't take you anywhere but the handicapped section, so I had to walk back to the end of the court and go up the stairs to get to the 2nd level.  During the player intros, the video shows Karina kissing his bicep (lol).  The PA announcer has a snarl to his voice.

But of course, I listened to Todd and Aaron for my pbp, so I missed that part ;)  I also won't go back to watch the first half, which took place while I was finishing up at work and driving home.

It does kill the buzz the season was taking on for me.  I was starting to dream dreams.

I would hesitate to call this a "bad" loss, though.  WSU was decimated by injuries for awhile, and since they've gotten healthy, they are 9-1.  Their RPI was 131 or something, that's outside the top 100 but it's hardly bad.  They've been playing really well, and they caught us on an off night.  I would say we played a substandard game and still almost won.  They could have buried us a time or too, but didn't until the very end because we had to keep fouling Thomasson.

P.S. Is there some way I can tell this message something along the lines of "I don't give a fig how many people have posted replies since I started typing this, POST IT ANYWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"   :crazy:

Quote from: wh on January 22, 2016, 08:32:55 PM
I should probably wait till tomorrow before posting again, but I just feel like venting so here it goes...

This of course is not the end of the world and all that good stuff, but it is the end of what could have been a season for the ages - a chance to be ranked in the Top 25 for the 1st time in history, a chance for a seed in the top half of the bracket, a chance to make the tournament as an at-large if we lose the HL tournament, and our best chance to win a game or 2 in the Big Dance.  All gone - just like that.  We were a cat with 3 lives after the Ball State and Belmont losses, but mid majors from crap conferences like ours don't get 4 lives. If we could just once - just one time - emulate what Butler did when they were in our shoes - run the table, get ranked, receive national recognition - but we just can't. 

So, it's time to get back to our usual hopes and dreams - win the league if we can, get 1 of the top 2 seeds in the HL tournament if we can, make that gawd-awful journey to Crime City USA with 499 other hardcore Valpo fans for weeknight semi's and finals (unbelievable), win a tournament that's rigged in favor of 2 local teams if we can, and pray for a 12 or 13 seed.

Pack the bags up, seasons over.

Quote from: cmack on January 22, 2016, 08:18:48 PMI am of the belief that this is what EVN is. He can certainly play better than this, but I think he disrupts our offensive flow and does not have the scoring ability of any other guard on our team. Beyond his height, what does he offer that our other guards, including Hammink, don't?

Not to pick sides but if Bryce thinks EVN was the better option (over Shane) then I am not going to disagree. Both can be overly aggressive and make me very nervous with their ball handling. Both come in with 1 assist for every 2 turnovers and neither is a great 3 point shooter. So with Shane or EVN you need to pick your poison. Should Max or Darien or Tevonn or Lexus be playing some back up point? That a good question with no easy answer but after tonight it may need to be thought about.

Quote from: a3uge on January 22, 2016, 08:37:44 PM

Quote from: wh on January 22, 2016, 08:32:55 PM
I should probably wait till tomorrow before posting again, but I just feel like venting so here it goes...

This of course is not the end of the world and all that good stuff, but it is the end of what could have been a season for the ages - a chance to be ranked in the Top 25 for the 1st time in history, a chance for a seed in the top half of the bracket, a chance to make the tournament as an at-large if we lose the HL tournament, and our best chance to win a game or 2 in the Big Dance.  All gone - just like that.  We were a cat with 3 lives after the Ball State and Belmont losses, but mid majors from crap conferences like ours don't get 4 lives. If we could just once - just one time - emulate what Butler did when they were in our shoes - run the table, get ranked, receive national recognition - but we just can't. 

So, it's time to get back to our usual hopes and dreams - win the league if we can, get 1 of the top 2 seeds in the HL tournament if we can, make that gawd-awful journey to Crime City USA with 499 other hardcore Valpo fans for weeknight semi's and finals (unbelievable), win a tournament that's rigged in favor of 2 local teams if we can, and pray for a 12 or 13 seed.

Pack the bags up, seasons over.

I never said the "season's over," but the "dream season" is absolutely over, smart ass.

Quote from: wh on January 22, 2016, 08:45:20 PM

Quote from: a3uge on January 22, 2016, 08:37:44 PM

Quote from: wh on January 22, 2016, 08:32:55 PM
I should probably wait till tomorrow before posting again, but I just feel like venting so here it goes...

This of course is not the end of the world and all that good stuff, but it is the end of what could have been a season for the ages - a chance to be ranked in the Top 25 for the 1st time in history, a chance for a seed in the top half of the bracket, a chance to make the tournament as an at-large if we lose the HL tournament, and our best chance to win a game or 2 in the Big Dance.  All gone - just like that.  We were a cat with 3 lives after the Ball State and Belmont losses, but mid majors from crap conferences like ours don't get 4 lives. If we could just once - just one time - emulate what Butler did when they were in our shoes - run the table, get ranked, receive national recognition - but we just can't. 

So, it's time to get back to our usual hopes and dreams - win the league if we can, get 1 of the top 2 seeds in the HL tournament if we can, make that gawd-awful journey to Crime City USA with 499 other hardcore Valpo fans for weeknight semi's and finals (unbelievable), win a tournament that's rigged in favor of 2 local teams if we can, and pray for a 12 or 13 seed.

Pack the bags up, seasons over.

I never said the "season's over," but the "dream season" is absolutely over, smart ass.

Guess we'll have to wait until next year to turn into Butler, who was just lucky, but is great, but sucks.

Vashil had a better assist to turnover ratio than EVN in this game (2:2 vs. 1:4).  Shane was at 2:1.  Even though Shane can play out of control, he is a step quicker than EVN, and we need that in the last 4 minutes.  EVN couldn't get anywhere.  Again, I like him when he is healthy, but he is not at that point where he can play 10+ mpg and be effective.

Hopefully someone can find out why Darien did not play much in the last 10 minutes.  I am so happy to see him shooting like he did last season.  I rightfully bashed his play in non-conference, and it is only fair that I give him props for righting his shot.  Good job Darien!

Quote from: justducky on January 22, 2016, 08:39:38 PM

Quote from: cmack on January 22, 2016, 08:18:48 PMI am of the belief that this is what EVN is. He can certainly play better than this, but I think he disrupts our offensive flow and does not have the scoring ability of any other guard on our team. Beyond his height, what does he offer that our other guards, including Hammink, don't?

Not to pick sides but if Bryce thinks EVN was the better option (over Shane) then I am not going to disagree. Both can be overly aggressive and make me very nervous with their ball handling. Both come in with 1 assist for every 2 turnovers and neither is a great 3 point shooter. So with Shane or EVN you need to pick your poison. Should Max or Darien or Tevonn or Lexus be playing some back up point? That a good question with no easy answer but after tonight it may need to be thought about.

EVN saved our season last year filling in at point while Carter was out with his toe injury. But I don't think he is all the way back yet and it showed tonight. If he has to play the majority of the minutes at point Sunday, I hope and expect that he will play better.

Quote from: a3uge on January 22, 2016, 08:47:46 PMGuess we'll have to wait until next year to turn into Butler, who was just lucky, but is great, but sucks.

I thought for a second you typed justducky was Butler. I thought justducky was a Valpo fan.  ;D

Quote from: a3uge on January 22, 2016, 08:47:46 PM

Quote from: wh on January 22, 2016, 08:45:20 PM

Quote from: a3uge on January 22, 2016, 08:37:44 PM

Quote from: wh on January 22, 2016, 08:32:55 PM
I should probably wait till tomorrow before posting again, but I just feel like venting so here it goes...

This of course is not the end of the world and all that good stuff, but it is the end of what could have been a season for the ages - a chance to be ranked in the Top 25 for the 1st time in history, a chance for a seed in the top half of the bracket, a chance to make the tournament as an at-large if we lose the HL tournament, and our best chance to win a game or 2 in the Big Dance.  All gone - just like that.  We were a cat with 3 lives after the Ball State and Belmont losses, but mid majors from crap conferences like ours don't get 4 lives. If we could just once - just one time - emulate what Butler did when they were in our shoes - run the table, get ranked, receive national recognition - but we just can't. 

So, it's time to get back to our usual hopes and dreams - win the league if we can, get 1 of the top 2 seeds in the HL tournament if we can, make that gawd-awful journey to Crime City USA with 499 other hardcore Valpo fans for weeknight semi's and finals (unbelievable), win a tournament that's rigged in favor of 2 local teams if we can, and pray for a 12 or 13 seed.

Pack the bags up, seasons over.

I never said the "season's over," but the "dream season" is absolutely over, smart ass.

Guess we'll have to wait until next year to turn into Butler, who was just lucky, but is great, but sucks.

I said I was just venting. Everything will be fine tomorrow. In the meantime how about putting your condescending "voice of reason" on the back burner for a few hours. Fair enough?

Saturday, Feb 13, 7pm.  Hall of Fame night.   The Re-Match.  Can we get a crowd for that one?

Quote from: StlVUFan on January 22, 2016, 08:34:26 PMI would hesitate to call this a "bad" loss, though.  WSU was decimated by injuries for awhile, and since they've gotten healthy, they are 9-1.  Their RPI was 131 or something, that's outside the top 100 but it's hardly bad.  They've been playing really well, and they caught us on an off night.  I would say we played a substandard game and still almost won.  They could have buried us a time or too, but didn't until the very end because we had to keep fouling Thomasson.

If we hadn't lost by 11 I would agree this wasn't a bad loss but we played horrible in the last 6 minutes and WSU played very good. I consider this a bad loss knowing the potential of this Valpo team. In years past I would have not considered this a bad loss. I don't see how you say we almost won when we lost by 11.

Quote from: wh on January 22, 2016, 09:10:17 PM

Quote from: a3uge on January 22, 2016, 08:47:46 PM

Quote from: wh on January 22, 2016, 08:45:20 PM

Quote from: a3uge on January 22, 2016, 08:37:44 PM

Quote from: wh on January 22, 2016, 08:32:55 PM
I should probably wait till tomorrow before posting again, but I just feel like venting so here it goes...

This of course is not the end of the world and all that good stuff, but it is the end of what could have been a season for the ages - a chance to be ranked in the Top 25 for the 1st time in history, a chance for a seed in the top half of the bracket, a chance to make the tournament as an at-large if we lose the HL tournament, and our best chance to win a game or 2 in the Big Dance.  All gone - just like that.  We were a cat with 3 lives after the Ball State and Belmont losses, but mid majors from crap conferences like ours don't get 4 lives. If we could just once - just one time - emulate what Butler did when they were in our shoes - run the table, get ranked, receive national recognition - but we just can't. 

So, it's time to get back to our usual hopes and dreams - win the league if we can, get 1 of the top 2 seeds in the HL tournament if we can, make that gawd-awful journey to Crime City USA with 499 other hardcore Valpo fans for weeknight semi's and finals (unbelievable), win a tournament that's rigged in favor of 2 local teams if we can, and pray for a 12 or 13 seed.

Pack the bags up, seasons over.

I never said the "season's over," but the "dream season" is absolutely over, smart ass.

Guess we'll have to wait until next year to turn into Butler, who was just lucky, but is great, but sucks.

I said I was just venting. Everything will be fine tomorrow. In the meantime how about putting your condescending "voice of reason" on the back burner for a few hours. Fair enough?

Condescending Voice of Reason is the name of my folk band.

Quote from: bbtds on January 22, 2016, 09:07:32 PMI thought for a second you typed justducky was Butler. I thought justducky was a Valpo fan. 

If we keep playing like tonight I might be tempted to jump ship. I didn't think until tonight that Butler would receive a higher seed but now I'm thinking maybe we should all meet up at Hinkle.

Quote from: NativeCheesehead on January 22, 2016, 08:25:20 PM
Time for a bold prediction. Assuming Carter does not miss an extended amount of time, we win out. As frustrating as this loss is, sometimes losing a game you shouldn't can be a blessing in disguise. We've played pretty well since the bad loss at Ball State, and I expect this excellent coaching staff to capitalize on this disappointment. General Game thoughts:

The Good: Welcome back DWalk. No I don't know why you didn't play more in the second half either, but if you play this well the rest of the season, having three starter quality bench players (DW, JA, SH) will be an asset going forward. Next, I may be the first one to jump on bad announcing, but I didn't mind the color guy tonight. Yes he couldn't pronounce our name, and cheered like crazy every time they hit a shot, but he called it like he saw it with the fouls and did a good job complimenting our players tonight. He knew our team, what we ran and what we liked to do. I'll take that anyday over most of the guys we've had on the road this year.

The Bad: For what seems like the umpteenth time this year, we failed to match the intensity of our opponent on the road. We may never be the next Butler, but going back to those years Butler dominated the conference under Stevens, they consistently brought a tempo, and an intensity every night. They may have not have run through the conference each and every year, but they were never out hustled, and they were never out thought. We were both tonight. With some of the national shout outs comes a big old bullseye right square between your shoulder blades. I truly didn't think we'd go 18-0 in this conference, but the way we lost this game was very disappointing. Also, this offense is lost without KC. You can squeak by NKU without him, but if he misses some serious time this team will struggle to score.

This loss gives me a little hesitation, but (assuming KC misses < 2 games) not a lot of worry. I like how this team has responded to bad games this year. See you all Sunday!

I agree with this post 100%! Last year on this exact Friday, we had a close and deflating loss in Green Bay but we fought through that, won 10 of our last 11 games including the HL tourney and almost beat Maryland. Step back from the cliff everyone!!! We will be ok! We have a very favorable stretch ahead with next < 200 RPI game as the rematch against Wright State.

I was at the game tonight and myself and my fellow alum around me certainly felt the attitude change when KC got hurt in the second half. He tripped up out of bounds and was laying on the floor and was walked off with no weight being put onto his right ankle/foot. He came back out walking with about 3 minutes left in the game but at that point our team played tight and at some points a bit selfish and that was that. We just do not look the same without KC. I hope that he is ok. I am quite concerned.

Let's just move forward from here. Keep the one game at a time mentality and never let up. Our best case is for both us and WSU to win out and for us to win at the rematch at home and rematch a JLA in the final in March. Then we could probably have a sub-100 RPI WSU team which could certainly help the conference as a whole.

Beat Northern Kentucky! [emoji1]

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From the WSU board.

Valpo fans are melting down. High hopes of an at large bid just got thrown out the window with this loss to us tonight. If we would have made half our layups we would have buried this team. When we play at the Arc I hope we come up with the same results.
Hilarious they thought they would have been an at-large team. I hope we sweep them. Then beat them a third time in the HL Tourney. They are nothing special. Fernandez is a fish out of water at center.

Now i'm pissed.   >:(

Quote from: oklahomamick on January 22, 2016, 10:26:57 PM
From the WSU board.

Valpo fans are melting down. High hopes of an at large bid just got thrown out the window with this loss to us tonight. If we would have made half our layups we would have buried this team. When we play at the Arc I hope we come up with the same results.
Hilarious they thought they would have been an at-large team. I hope we sweep them. Then beat them a third time in the HL Tourney. They are nothing special. Fernandez is a fish out of water at center.

Now i'm pissed.   >:(

Okie dokie then... They just beat a Top 50 RPI team and we're "nothing special?" That's quite an ignorant and naive comment given some of their brutal OOC losses and their current RPI status...

That type of talk can and will get you in trouble and can only lead to a let down loss to a UIC, NKU, or YSU type of team... Tsk, Tsk. O well, the few WSU fans I interacted with tonight were nice but there's always one in the bunch I suppose once you get behind a computer...

Let's pack the ARC on Feb 13!!

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Quote from: oklahomamick on January 22, 2016, 10:26:57 PM
From the WSU board.

Valpo fans are melting down. High hopes of an at large bid just got thrown out the window with this loss to us tonight. If we would have made half our layups we would have buried this team. When we play at the Arc I hope we come up with the same results.
Hilarious they thought they would have been an at-large team. I hope we sweep them. Then beat them a third time in the HL Tourney. They are nothing special. Fernandez is a fish out of water at center.

Now i'm pissed.   >:(

Congratulations Wright State, one step closer to your 16 seed run.

Losing on the road to a decent team happens to everybody. Hope Carter heals quickly. Nice to have a quick turn around.

Disappointed.  This team, as inconsistent as it is, will be fortunate to get a 14 seed (if we win in Detroit).  I still think we'd be a only a mid-level team in one of the power conferences, and those sorts of teams rarely get into the tourney.  So to that extent, we are fortunate that we are in the Horizon.  Maybe we will come on strong toward the end, but since the Oregon/Oregon State/Rhode Island games, we have not been the same team.

Before the game I was thinking about the broadcast.  "We're sometimes nostalgic for HLN, but, at least ESPN3 gets the archive up quick!".  Definitely true.  For all the frustrations I have with their browser, ESPN3 let me get the game going as soon as we were home, after some family obligations, and the kids to bed.  But, it lurched to a halt with about twelve minutes to go on the clock, going to a timeout Valpo up 41-39, Bryce trying to break up a Wright State run.

To that point it mostly felt, "OK - Valpo has no offensive flow, not much offense at all except D. Walker going insane from three, but we'll find a flow.  Alec, and either Tevonn or somebody else, will get their points, and we'll be OK, could still win by ten." 

Fought with the ESPN3 browser for probably half an hour.  Would get little teases, a few seconds here and there, a whole minute or three at one point (to realize that, after another two possessions, we went back to timeout), enough to be convinced the recording was in their somewhere. But, eventually gave up...

And, man, somehow we gave up 34 points in those last twelve minutes!

Can't quite tell from the play-by-play, if we started fouling with 1m39 to play, WSU up 63-57, or even later.  I'm not so excited to see two E Vic (missed) threes there in the closing seconds, but I'm sure I'd feel differently if they went in.  He's never been afraid to step up in the clutch....

After Ball State (or Belmont? or both?) people were convinced the magic was gone.  That we'd need to go on a deep run in the conference to get any national attention again. We might be hoping for a weak bubble at this point, but, pull together another six wins (a lot of home games, and two very weak road opponents), cap that off with a win in the Wright State rematch, and we can get the conversation going again.

These guys always had Butler's number too, right?

I would have thought that after the fruit jar tec (Ball State) loss the team would have realized that they can't just throw their rep out on the court and the other team would just roll over. With a veteran team you wouldn't think you would have to emphasize this but apparently you do. Hopefully the team having been smacked in the face tonight will respond for the rest of the season and get a double bye for the tournament now that any chance for an at large bid for the big dance is over.

Quote from: agibson on January 23, 2016, 12:01:18 AMAnd, man, somehow we gave up 34 points in those last twelve minutes!

I see now that my feed broke down just before Keith left, injured.  Not sure that explains their 34 points, exactly.  But, a significant development.

Quote from: bbtds on January 22, 2016, 09:20:58 PMIf we hadn't lost by 11 I would agree this wasn't a bad loss but we played horrible in the last 6 minutes and WSU played very good. I consider this a bad loss knowing the potential of this Valpo team. In years past I would have not considered this a bad loss. I don't see how you say we almost won when we lost by 11.

Clarification: in Selection Committee lingo, "bad loss" means any loss to a bad team.  Wright State is not a bad team.

However, that may not have been what was meant.  As you state it, I would have to agree.  I wasn't thinking of it that way.

Quote from: oklahomamick on January 22, 2016, 10:26:57 PM
From the WSU board.

Valpo fans are melting down. High hopes of an at large bid just got thrown out the window with this loss to us tonight. If we would have made half our layups we would have buried this team. When we play at the Arc I hope we come up with the same results.
Hilarious they thought they would have been an at-large team. I hope we sweep them. Then beat them a third time in the HL Tourney. They are nothing special. Fernandez is a fish out of water at center.

Now i'm pissed.   >:(

Do what I do.  Take it as an inadvertent complement.

Aren't we still crowing every once in awhile about our 4 game winning streak against those scaredy-cats now in the Big East? ;)

Quote from: HailVU2014 on January 22, 2016, 10:38:14 PMThat type of talk can and will get you in trouble and can only lead to a let down loss to a UIC, NKU, or YSU type of team... Tsk, Tsk. O well, the few WSU fans I interacted with tonight were nice but there's always one in the bunch I suppose once you get behind a computer...

Fans don't play the games, so that kind of talk is actually pretty harmless where the actual teams are involved.

If Donlon or Yoho or Benzinger were talking like that, I'd love it.  But I bet they aren't.

It's no consolation, but interesting that we were still +11 rebounding.  In a loss. With them out-shooting us.

Quote from: StlVUFan on January 23, 2016, 12:28:30 AM

Quote from: HailVU2014 on January 22, 2016, 10:38:14 PMThat type of talk can and will get you in trouble and can only lead to a let down loss to a UIC, NKU, or YSU type of team... Tsk, Tsk. O well, the few WSU fans I interacted with tonight were nice but there's always one in the bunch I suppose once you get behind a computer...

Fans don't play the games, so that kind of talk is actually pretty harmless where the actual teams are involved.

If Donlon or Yoho or Benzinger were talking like that, I'd love it.  But I bet they aren't.

In Paul Oren's blog in the NWI Times, it is evident from his conversation with Billy Donlon that this kind of talk is not where the WSU team is right now. But then again, he only talked with the coach and not any of the players so... we shall see Feb 13?

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Quote from: Pgmado on January 22, 2016, 10:22:43 PM
Where was Darien Walker? Billy Donlon speaks.

http://www.nwitimes.com/blogs/sports/inside-vu-sports/breaking-down-valparaiso-vs-wright-state/article_77552c3a-c17e-11e5-9b30-e777a6dfa796.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/blogs/sports/inside-vu-sports/breaking-down-valparaiso-vs-wright-state/article_77552c3a-c17e-11e5-9b30-e777a6dfa796.html)

Once Keith Carter got hurt E. Victor Nickerson took over the point. Shane Hammink, who has done so well running the point over the last several games, was pulled after turning the ball over with 12:24 remaining and never returned.

Anyone who saw Nickerson play in this game knew this was a very bad decision. Nickerson was lucky to get fouled and make 4 free throws (he also missed the front end of a one-and-one). He hardly made any passes and tried to force the scoring. If he had gone to Peters or Fernandez instead of trying to do everything himself with a sore wrist the result at least would have been a whole lot closer.

One of these coaches was fired this week after an embarrassing loss and a fan base upset about the loss.

Coach A

110-46. .705
Conference champ 2015
Leading conference before Games on Friday 2016
POY candidate on roster
1st head coaching job in league
Made ultimate tourney in 2015
Expected back in 2016

Coach B

97-46  .670
Conference champ 2015
Leading conference before Games on Friday 2016
POY candidate on roster
1st head coaching job in league
Made ultimate tourney in 2015
Expected back in 2016

Lesson--Overreaction can be a bad thing....
http://youtu.be/xAZU6DYwTDM (http://youtu.be/xAZU6DYwTDM)

Quote from: bbtds on January 23, 2016, 09:13:39 AM

Quote from: Pgmado on January 22, 2016, 10:22:43 PM
Where was Darien Walker? Billy Donlon speaks.

http://www.nwitimes.com/blogs/sports/inside-vu-sports/breaking-down-valparaiso-vs-wright-state/article_77552c3a-c17e-11e5-9b30-e777a6dfa796.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/blogs/sports/inside-vu-sports/breaking-down-valparaiso-vs-wright-state/article_77552c3a-c17e-11e5-9b30-e777a6dfa796.html)

Anyone who saw Nickerson play in this game knew this was a very bad decision. 

I refuse to understand why Nickerson is EVER on the court. I don't like pointing fingers, but it was a mistake to leave him in the game for the last 12 minutes or whatever it was. He should never handle the ball. He should only shoot layups. I don't get it.

Chill out, guys!   It's 1 loss!  We have over half the conference schedule yet to play. We obviously played very poorly and maybe got out-coached...but it's 1 game.  It's over so now lets start another streak and get back to playing like we know we can play.  Who knows maybe we can run the table the rest of the way.  GO VALPO!

Quote from: valpo84 on January 23, 2016, 09:21:31 AM
One of these coaches was fired this week after an embarrassing loss and a fan base upset about the loss.

Coach A

110-46. .705
Conference champ 2015
Leading conference before Games on Friday 2016
POY candidate on roster
1st head coaching job in league
Made ultimate tourney in 2015
Expected back in 2016

Coach B

97-46  .670
Conference champ 2015
Leading conference before Games on Friday 2016
POY candidate on roster
1st head coaching job in league
Made ultimate tourney in 2015
Expected back in 2016

Lesson--Overreaction can be a bad thing....
http://youtu.be/xAZU6DYwTDM (http://youtu.be/xAZU6DYwTDM)

Which coach was it?

Edit:
Oh, duh, Cavs.

Quote from: HC on January 22, 2016, 11:30:35 PM
Losing on the road to a decent team happens to everybody. Hope Carter heals quickly. Nice to have a quick turn around.

Words of sanity. Look, when we played Oregon, Oregon State, Ion and Rhode Island we played teams that had only seen us on tape.  Wright State and other Horizon teams have seen us twice (or more) for years now. WSU is the only team that plays defense as well as they do.  Given the fact that they know us and play D, it was always going to be a tough games.

Quote from: vu72 on January 23, 2016, 10:18:50 AM

Quote from: HC on January 22, 2016, 11:30:35 PM
Losing on the road to a decent team happens to everybody. Hope Carter heals quickly. Nice to have a quick turn around.

Words of sanity. Look, when we played Oregon, Oregon State, Ion and Rhode Island we played teams that had only seen us on tape.  Wright State and other Horizon teams have seen us twice (or more) for years now. WSU is the only team that plays defense as well as they do.  Given the fact that they know us and play D, it was always going to be a tough games.

It would have been a lot less tough of a game against WSU if Nickerson had not been the point the last 12 minutes. When it's not working you have to try your other options---Shane, Max, Lexus. I can't understand how Bryce failed to see this. It was a very bad move and very uncharacteristic of Bryce.

The point guard situation is tough to understand.

E Vic has been playing with a bad wrist -- last week Homer said that there was a steel bar under the  wrapping that deadened the basketball if the ball hit it when he was dribbling.

E Vic and Keith are both seniors -- is it that big of a dropoff for Max or Lexus that they shouldn't get experience running the team?  They clearly not as long on defense, but I can't attribute all of our point guard difficulties last night to Wright State's -- there was something lacking on our end.

Quote from: bbtds on January 23, 2016, 10:39:25 AMIt would have been a lot less tough of a game against WSU if Nickerson had not been the point the last 12 minutes. When it's not working you have to try your other options---Shane, Max, Lexus.

It would be too painful to watch that second half again but without remembering anything special this seems like it could have been a doghouse related situation? Does anybody remember Shane swinging away on a bunt signal? He only played 11 minutes and many of those were as the 3. Ok this is purely baseless speculation.

When Carter went down last year I remember saying that we should sink or swim with EVN. Has Bryce arrived at that decision again or is there more to this story?

Quote from: bbtds on January 23, 2016, 10:39:25 AM

Quote from: vu72 on January 23, 2016, 10:18:50 AM

Quote from: HC on January 22, 2016, 11:30:35 PM
Losing on the road to a decent team happens to everybody. Hope Carter heals quickly. Nice to have a quick turn around.

Words of sanity. Look, when we played Oregon, Oregon State, Ion and Rhode Island we played teams that had only seen us on tape.  Wright State and other Horizon teams have seen us twice (or more) for years now. WSU is the only team that plays defense as well as they do.  Given the fact that they know us and play D, it was always going to be a tough games.

It would have been a lot less tough of a game against WSU if Nickerson had not been the point the last 12 minutes. When it's not working you have to try your other options---Shane, Max, Lexus. I can't understand how Bryce failed to see this. It was a very bad move and very uncharacteristic of Bryce.

I certainly understand the frustration of some of you due to Nickerson playing the last 12 minutes and not being effective against a tougher Raider defense. It's also true that  our season isn't over and we still have a great opportunity in the NCAA tournament.

OTOH, I would like Coach Drew to acknowledge it was a mistake that he played Nickerson so long and why he doesn't use Max or Lexus more often especially when the other options (Nickerson & Hammink) are not working.

Any media is good media?

It was apparently #1 on Sports Center.

[tweet]690706662001414144[/tweet]

Well, having watched Oregon's first-half performance against UCLA today, I feel a bit better.  Oregon was terriffc, and UCLA is fortunate to be down by 10. 

Lots of similarities between Valpo and Oregon.  Defensive-minded, athletic, both teams tough to beat at home, etc. 

And Wright State gets a nice write-up at NCAA.com.

http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2016-01-23/college-basketball-wright-states-turnaround-has-raider-fans (http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2016-01-23/college-basketball-wright-states-turnaround-has-raider-fans)

Respect?

Quote from: historyman on January 23, 2016, 12:01:59 PMOTOH, I would like Coach Drew to acknowledge it was a mistake that he played Nickerson so long and why he doesn't use Max or Lexus more often especially when the other options (Nickerson & Hammink) are not working

You have to be kidding, would never and should never happen.

Quote from: FWalum on January 24, 2016, 10:51:17 PM

Quote from: historyman on January 23, 2016, 12:01:59 PMOTOH, I would like Coach Drew to acknowledge it was a mistake that he played Nickerson so long and why he doesn't use Max or Lexus more often especially when the other options (Nickerson & Hammink) are not working

You have to be kidding, would never and should never happen.

Yet, it's exactly what Kampe sometimes does at his press conferences when he thinks he has made mistakes. I think it's just something Bryce feels he doesn't need to do. The fact that Nickerson didn't have a lot of significant minutes in the NoKy (sounds like the name of a cell phone) game speaks volumes. I hear what Bryce is saying like the volume was turned up on my NoKy phone.

Quote from: bbtds on January 25, 2016, 04:36:11 AM

Quote from: FWalum on January 24, 2016, 10:51:17 PM

Quote from: historyman on January 23, 2016, 12:01:59 PMOTOH, I would like Coach Drew to acknowledge it was a mistake that he played Nickerson so long and why he doesn't use Max or Lexus more often especially when the other options (Nickerson & Hammink) are not working

You have to be kidding, would never and should never happen.

Yet, it's exactly what Kampe sometimes does at his press conferences when he thinks he has made mistakes. I think it's just something Bryce feels he doesn't need to do. The fact that Nickerson didn't have a lot of significant minutes in the NoKy (sounds like the name of a cell phone) game speaks volumes. I hear what Bryce is saying like the volume was turned up on my NoKy phone.

And Kampe's players have turned out to be emotional basket-cases who constantly underperform and yell at each other. There's a reason why you don't sell players out in front of the media.

Please!  Let's not compare Bryce with "King Kampe"!!!  The "Mouth" does and says anything that will promote himself first.  Let's face it, Oakland should be called "Kampe's Kamp."  He is the only coach they have ever had.  He does and says whatever he wants to do and he knows no one will ever question him for it.  It is and always has been "me first and the team second." You can tell it in his players, his record, what he does at the School (as an example just look at that terrible looking  floor design).  In NO WAY should we compare Bryce to "King Kampe."  He has always said he wants to develop his Div. 1 program to be like Valpo's.  Well after all these years of saying it, he has not come even close to doing it in any aspect...and aren't we  glad!

Quote from: oklahomamick on January 22, 2016, 10:26:57 PM
From the WSU board.

Valpo fans are melting down. High hopes of an at large bid just got thrown out the window with this loss to us tonight. If we would have made half our layups we would have buried this team. When we play at the Arc I hope we come up with the same results.
Hilarious they thought they would have been an at-large team. I hope we sweep them. Then beat them a third time in the HL Tourney. They are nothing special. Fernandez is a fish out of water at center.

Now i'm pissed.   >:(

This WSU fan is a moron.  We still had a great chance at an at-large before the loss, as described by many national talking heads.  WSU would not have buried us if they made layups, and the only reason it ended up at an 11 point loss is because of our fouling at the end.  The reason that they missed their layups is because Vashil's arms were in the way, redirecting shots as he always does, so it wasn't that they 'missed' them as much as they were DEFENDED WELL.  We will smoke them at home...

Quote from: valpo64 on January 25, 2016, 10:04:48 AM
Please!  Let's not compare Bryce with "King Kampe"!!!  The "Mouth" does and says anything that will promote himself first.  Let's face it, Oakland should be called "Kampe's Kamp."  He is the only coach they have ever had.  He does and says whatever he wants to do and he knows no one will ever question him for it.  It is and always has been "me first and the team second." You can tell it in his players, his record, what he does at the School (as an example just look at that terrible looking  floor design).  In NO WAY should we compare Bryce to "King Kampe."  He has always said he wants to develop his Div. 1 program to be like Valpo's.  Well after all these years of saying it, he has not come even close to doing it in any aspect...and aren't we  glad!

Thank you 64 I am sick of the man worship we seem to have on this board for Kampe.  Hey maybe we can get Bryce to stomp around and pull his hair out too

Quote from: valpo64 on January 25, 2016, 10:04:48 AM
Please!  Let's not compare Bryce with "King Kampe"!!!  The "Mouth" does and says anything that will promote himself first.  Let's face it, Oakland should be called "Kampe's Kamp."  He is the only coach they have ever had.  He does and says whatever he wants to do and he knows no one will ever question him for it.  It is and always has been "me first and the team second." You can tell it in his players, his record, what he does at the School (as an example just look at that terrible looking  floor design).  In NO WAY should we compare Bryce to "King Kampe."  He has always said he wants to develop his Div. 1 program to be like Valpo's.  Well after all these years of saying it, he has not come even close to doing it in any aspect...and aren't we  glad!

How very Butler of you.

It's a floor.  It's functional.  It's got colors and designs.  "Hideous" is an entirely subjective opinion.  I like it.

As for "me first", I would say you are jumping to conclusions.  I don't know why OU gave Terry Foster the access that they did.  I prefer wh's description: you feel like you are getting to eavesdrop on a family drama and you want to turn away out of respect for their privacy (that's wh in my interpretation, he may differ).  However, an equally plausible interpretation is that it's all about his players and not about him.  He's the face of the program, sure, but it's his players that he's doing it for.  I'm not saying you're flat out wrong (because I don't really know him that well either).  I'm just saying you're jumping to conclusions.

Oh, and he's not the only coach they've ever had.  Close, maybe, but OU has been around longer than 32 years.

He certainly is one-of-a-kind, and if I were his AD I don't know if we'd be a good fit.  But as a basketball fan, I think he's a hoot and a half, and I enjoy being able to talk to him when they come to the ARC.

By the way, there was this level of drama (and more probably) during the 2004-2005 regular season with that team (somebody got kicked off the team, there was a knock-down drag-out brawl during the summer, I think), and look what happened.

Quote from: StlVUFan on January 25, 2016, 01:19:40 PM

Quote from: valpo64 on January 25, 2016, 10:04:48 AM
Please!  Let's not compare Bryce with "King Kampe"!!!  The "Mouth" does and says anything that will promote himself first.  Let's face it, Oakland should be called "Kampe's Kamp."  He is the only coach they have ever had.  He does and says whatever he wants to do and he knows no one will ever question him for it.  It is and always has been "me first and the team second." You can tell it in his players, his record, what he does at the School (as an example just look at that terrible looking  floor design).  In NO WAY should we compare Bryce to "King Kampe."  He has always said he wants to develop his Div. 1 program to be like Valpo's.  Well after all these years of saying it, he has not come even close to doing it in any aspect...and aren't we  glad!

How very Butler of you.

It's a floor.  It's functional.  It's got colors and designs.  "Hideous" is an entirely subjective opinion.  I like it.

As for "me first", I would say you are jumping to conclusions.  I don't know why OU gave Terry Foster the access that they did.  I prefer wh's description: you feel like you are getting to eavesdrop on a family drama and you want to turn away out of respect for their privacy (that's wh in my interpretation, he may differ). However, an equally plausible interpretation is that it's all about his players and not about him.  He's the face of the program, sure, but it's his players that he's doing it for.  I'm not saying you're flat out wrong (because I don't really know him that well either).  I'm just saying you're jumping to conclusions.

Oh, and he's not the only coach they've ever had.  Close, maybe, but OU has been around longer than 32 years.

He certainly is one-of-a-kind, and if I were his AD I don't know if we'd be a good fit.  But as a basketball fan, I think he's a hoot and a half, and I enjoy being able to talk to him when they come to the ARC.

By the way, there was this level of drama (and more probably) during the 2004-2005 regular season with that team (somebody got kicked off the team, there was a knock-down drag-out brawl during the summer, I think), and look what happened.

That's exactly what I meant.

Admit it Stl, you have pictures of Kampe in both your wallet, and on your office desk ;)

Quote from: valpotx on January 25, 2016, 03:20:45 PM
Admit it Stl, you have pictures of Kampe in both your wallet, and on your office desk ;)

I don't see anything wrong with StL admiring Kampe for his coaching style. If Kampe were coaching Valpo I don't think you wouldn't be a Valpo fan. (I know that you will profess that you would dislike Valpo if Kampe were the head coach----and not mean it) OTOH, I don't think Kampe would be hired as a coach at Valpo.

Quote from: historyman on January 25, 2016, 04:38:19 PMOTOH, I don't think Kampe would be hired as a coach at Valpo.

On that score I suspect you are correct.

I don't mind Kampe.  I neither dislike or like him.  I just like to tease Stl about his love for Kampe, based on years of reading him post as such ;)

I again state that Wright State is not a good team...lost by 26 at Oakland.  That is pathetic, and makes our loss look that much worse now.

Over 4,500 in the ARC for the Youngstown State game... how about a FULL HOUSE on 2/13 for the Rematch!  Get your tickets early for that one, it's also Hall of Fame night...

Quote from: valpotx on January 30, 2016, 10:40:20 PM
I again state that Wright State is not a good team...lost by 26 at Oakland.  That is pathetic, and makes our loss look that much worse now.

I still chalk up the WSU loss to playing on the road, Bryce making bad decisions about Nickerson playing point while still having an injured wrist and trying to force plays through the middle when Keith went out with his bad ankle. WSU's defense was too tough for Nickerson under these conditions. If Max has been good enough to play against YSU and CSU and make the circus shot he made tonight against YSU, why in the world couldn't he have played on the road against WSU? It really confounds me. And that's not to mention a good Lexus sitting on the bench during the WSU game also. Why, why, why, why??

Rant over......................until Bryce does the same dumb move again............if he hasn't learned his lesson by now.

Quote from: bbtds on January 30, 2016, 11:41:18 PM

Quote from: valpotx on January 30, 2016, 10:40:20 PM
I again state that Wright State is not a good team...lost by 26 at Oakland.  That is pathetic, and makes our loss look that much worse now.

I still chalk up the WSU loss to playing on the road, Bryce making bad decisions about Nickerson playing point while still having an injured wrist and trying to force plays through the middle when Keith went out with his bad ankle. WSU's defense was too tough for Nickerson under these conditions. If Max has been good enough to play against YSU and CSU and make the circus shot he made tonight against YSU, why in the world couldn't he have played on the road against WSU? It really confounds me. And that's not to mention a good Lexus sitting on the bench during the WSU game also. Why, why, why, why??

Rant over......................until Bryce does the same dumb move again............if he hasn't learned his lesson by now.

Bryce certainly isn't the only good coach to make a bad tactical mistake in an important conference game.

Someone please try to tell me that this is not a bad loss again.  Wright State is terrible...