The Lady Vikings roll up to the ARC on Thursday looking to bounce back from a thrashing at the hands of Youngstown State. We're coming off a beat down of our own. Who has the upper hand? Neither team has much to play for, so it really comes down to mental toughness. I think playing with 6-7 players all season actually favors the Lady Crusaders tonight in this area, as they know what it means to battle. Hopefully, this is a step towards respectability and the slow climb back to the middle of the conference. I would love to see us get to the middle of the pack and at least be competitive in the HL tournament. I'm predicting a 57-54 win tonight. GO VU!
Didn't realize the L'ders were down to dressing 6. Yikes
We played 7 at Detroit. Is someone else out?
Quote from: vu72 on January 03, 2012, 04:22:29 PM
We played 7 at Detroit. Is someone else out?
Sorry, I misspoke...thinking of earlier in the season when only 6 were getting minutes.
Quote from: Crusader03 on January 03, 2012, 10:11:15 PM
Quote from: vu72 on January 03, 2012, 04:22:29 PM
We played 7 at Detroit. Is someone else out?
Sorry, I misspoke...thinking of earlier in the season when only 6 were getting minutes.
Was 6 prior to Jansone adding to the mix.
Keys to Cleveland State:
Defense:
As with every game, We need to lock up their scorer. This one will be a test. Blue averages 14ppg and is a 60% shooter. that means she's putting up 10 or 11 shots a contest. We need to reduce that. On the plus side, as a team, they shoot 39% from the floor. We need to force the ball into other's hands.
We must keep Winton off of the boards. Second chance pts. will kill us in this contest.
We need to pack it inside, providing frontside help when needed, and keep the slashers out - we have to have a presence in the passing lanes - Richards could have a field day on picks if we can disrupt their flow. forcing them to shoot deep will be to our advantage - they shoot around 29% from beyond the arc.
Offense:
We've done a good job pushing the ball up the floor all season - we tend to stall out though once we arrive - we're missing some scoring opportunities by not pushing through to the hoop - mix it up a bit. I believe the key here will be to get up a lot of shots. Our offense gets vanilla sometimes and we seem to be just wandering around hoping to find someone opened. Forcing the opponent to play D deep into the shot clock can work when you consistently work into a good look. It hasn't been happening as of late. We work the clock down only to end up forcing something and coming up empty. Watching the flow on offense, we seem to have much better looks we pass up in the first half of the clock then the 2nd half. Need to look to skip pass across court if they lock down inside as Detriot did. We have quite a few open looks like this that we passed up. Just because a play is called shouldn't mean that we can't "audible" out of it and take what's there.
Turnovers! Can't have them tomorrow night. we need to be 12 or under for the game.
Shooters need to be shooting! Timmerman has had some good looks and hit some big shots this season. We need her in and shooting. Richards needs to be looking to score as well. Carr seems to be finding her comfort zone from outside averaging 2 3's a contest. She needs to look to shoot more. If our shooters can get something going from 12ft out, we can create some space for our bigs to get busy on the inside.
I really think this one will come down to how many shots we can get up, and not so much the % we're shooting. It's a tall order to step up the tempo on offense with such a short bench, but if we can maintain a flow, and take our T.O.s at strategic times, we could see some very possitive results.
Go Crusaders, let's get a streak of our own going!
Quote from: jack on January 04, 2012, 03:54:18 PM
Quote from: Crusader03 on January 03, 2012, 10:11:15 PM
Quote from: vu72 on January 03, 2012, 04:22:29 PM
We played 7 at Detroit. Is someone else out?
Sorry, I misspoke...thinking of earlier in the season when only 6 were getting minutes.
Was 6 prior to Jansone adding to the mix.
Keys to Cleveland State:
Defense:
As with every game, We need to lock up their scorer. This one will be a test. Blue averages 14ppg and is a 60% shooter. that means she's putting up 10 or 11 shots a contest. We need to reduce that. On the plus side, as a team, they shoot 39% from the floor. We need to force the ball into other's hands.
We must keep Winton off of the boards. Second chance pts. will kill us in this contest.
We need to pack it inside, providing frontside help when needed, and keep the slashers out - we have to have a presence in the passing lanes - Richards could have a field day on picks if we can disrupt their flow. forcing them to shoot deep will be to our advantage - they shoot around 29% from beyond the arc.
Offense:
We've done a good job pushing the ball up the floor all season - we tend to stall out though once we arrive - we're missing some scoring opportunities by not pushing through to the hoop - mix it up a bit. I believe the key here will be to get up a lot of shots. Our offense gets vanilla sometimes and we seem to be just wandering around hoping to find someone opened. Forcing the opponent to play D deep into the shot clock can work when you consistently work into a good look. It hasn't been happening as of late. We work the clock down only to end up forcing something and coming up empty. Watching the flow on offense, we seem to have much better looks we pass up in the first half of the clock then the 2nd half. Need to look to skip pass across court if they lock down inside as Detriot did. We have quite a few open looks like this that we passed up. Just because a play is called shouldn't mean that we can't "audible" out of it and take what's there.
Turnovers! Can't have them tomorrow night. we need to be 12 or under for the game.
Shooters need to be shooting! Timmerman has had some good looks and hit some big shots this season. We need her in and shooting. Richards needs to be looking to score as well. Carr seems to be finding her comfort zone from outside averaging 2 3's a contest. She needs to look to shoot more. If our shooters can get something going from 12ft out, we can create some space for our bigs to get busy on the inside.
I really think this one will come down to how many shots we can get up, and not so much the % we're shooting. It's a tall order to step up the tempo on offense with such a short bench, but if we can maintain a flow, and take our T.O.s at strategic times, we could see some very possitive results.
Go Crusaders, let's get a streak of our own going!
More sound analysis from, jack. Thanks for the hard work.
Just a heads up...I have modified my original post in this thread. I have been nudged this direction by the powers that be. It may seem rather Orwellian, but it's not my society. Enjoy the game tonight, everyone!
VU trails 24-20 at the half...when you shoot 0-12 from beyond the arc, it's going to be very difficult to score. We also didn't shoot a single free throw. Gerardot has played extremely well with 10 pts at the break. Let's go ladies...you can win this one!
Well, it was a close game, but the ladies weren't able to pull it out. It was 49-45 Cleveland State. It looked very evenly matched, but due to our lack of bench, we were toast trying to keep up, and making sure we were mentally focused on what was happening on the court tonight.
This was a winnable game tonight WITH Blue playing.....and she wasn't. Not sure where you go from here. 0 of 100 from 3. who'd of thunk it. That was your difference of the game. That and we only got to the line for 7 or 8 shots. You just don't see many games where everyone is that cold from beyond the arc. I thought we did a nice job defensively tonight, but if you can't get the rock to drop, it really doesn't matter. We just don't have the offensive weapons to compete right now. We played hard, and never gave up. Both bright spots to another disapointing loss. Can't blame the coaches for this one. We did exactly what we needed to do to win. Time to spend an entire practice getting back to the basics, and doing nothing but shooting jump shots. 4 - 10. What to do?
It was definitely a winnable game. I don't know that being so cold from beyond the arc was as difficult as just not having enough gas when we needed it. I hope we can get some of the gas we were missing tonight back for Saturday's game with Youngstown St. A lot of the shots we put up, we just put too much, or not enough, juice into those shots, so they bounced off the rim or backboard, and that's been something that we just have to keep shooting and hoping that finally one of those shots will fall. I don't care if the shot is from 10 feet or behind the arc, but we need to get something to fall by continuing to shoot, and get in position to get the offensive boards. I wish we had some speed to rely on the fastbreak a lot this season, but we just don't have the ponies to help our tired horses catch a breath.
At the end of the day, you can't expect to compete in D1 in any league dressing 7 all season. The second half tonight only saw 6. Again, I'm curious to see if anyone else in the country is saddled with this scenario. Sure, this was a winnable contest, but if we can't get a W against CS, what our or expectations for the remaining of the season. At this point it would be silly trying to bring back any of the players that are able to red shirt. What would be the point? By the time they get back to game condition, and speed, the season wil be over. We might as well wait and see if any can possibly help out next season. Right now, we're asking far too much from the players we are flooring. You have to feel for them. Is Jansone hurt? I'm surprised we saw nothing from her in the second half. Horton???? someone needs to explain this one to me. I heard a concusion many weeks ago. Are these season ending injuries now day? I truly don't know. What I do know is, an inferior team beat us tonight for 2 reasons - We couldn't hit a lick on offense, and they threw fresh players at us all game long. Our kids are leaving it all out on the floor. All 6 of them. Is there a light at the end of the tunnel somewhere soon??? Thanks for the effort ladies! I feel for you, as the possition you're in is bleak at best.
Horton's concussion must be about the same as the one that keeps Sidney Crosby out of the Pittsburgh Penguins lineup, or has taken several football players out of the game. With today's concerns and tests being done on what causes concussions, I'm guessing the team doctors are monitoring it always, and won't clear her until she doesn't feel any symptoms. Jansone might just be pacing her into the college game, which seems to late at this point, but that 11-game suspension didn't help at all. We'll just have to see what this team does the rest of January.
Quote from: valporun on January 06, 2012, 12:49:39 AM
Horton's concussion must be about the same as the one that keeps Sidney Crosby out of the Pittsburgh Penguins lineup, or has taken several football players out of the game. With today's concerns and tests being done on what causes concussions, I'm guessing the team doctors are monitoring it always, and won't clear her until she doesn't feel any symptoms. Jansone might just be pacing her into the college game, which seems to late at this point, but that 11-game suspension didn't help at all. We'll just have to see what this team does the rest of January.
I understand the concern with concussions, and they are valid. But this one has lingered on far too long for an athlete playing, for all practical purposes, a non-contact sport. It is very rare for a basketball player to sustain a blow to the head significant enough to cause this kind of trauma. In the past, it has happened, but it's typically a 2 to 3 week down time. I've seen football players come back from these in shorter time. I have to believe there's more to this situation. As for Jansone, She's been back and in the game long enough to contribute more then 6 minutes. She's an athlete, she's been practicing, and since it's not an injury issue, she had better been working hard to stay in shape. We are asking our players that can play to give us all they have. And they have, without hesitation. 2 of them are still battling injuries. I just don't get it. If the plan is to limp through the rest of the season with 6, sometimes 7 players, my thought is, we haven't seen the end to the injuries, and we'll be lucky to make it to the end.
Quote from: valporun on January 06, 2012, 12:49:39 AM
Horton's concussion must be about the same as the one that keeps Sidney Crosby out of the Pittsburgh Penguins lineup, or has taken several football players out of the game. With today's concerns and tests being done on what causes concussions, I'm guessing the team doctors are monitoring it always, and won't clear her until she doesn't feel any symptoms. Jansone might just be pacing her into the college game, which seems to late at this point, but that 11-game suspension didn't help at all. We'll just have to see what this team does the rest of January.
Unless Jansone is hurt there is simply no way she should only play 6 minutes. Someone on this board told us that she would be playing in the Big 10 if she didn't have that 11 game eligibility issue. If she is healthy and not playing 15-20 minutes something is wrong.
Quote from: jack on January 06, 2012, 06:41:23 AM
Quote from: valporun on January 06, 2012, 12:49:39 AM
Horton's concussion must be about the same as the one that keeps Sidney Crosby out of the Pittsburgh Penguins lineup, or has taken several football players out of the game. With today's concerns and tests being done on what causes concussions, I'm guessing the team doctors are monitoring it always, and won't clear her until she doesn't feel any symptoms. Jansone might just be pacing her into the college game, which seems to late at this point, but that 11-game suspension didn't help at all. We'll just have to see what this team does the rest of January.
I understand the concern with concussions, and they are valid. But this one has lingered on far too long for an athlete playing, for all practical purposes, a non-contact sport. It is very rare for a basketball player to sustain a blow to the head significant enough to cause this kind of trauma. In the past, it has happened, but it's typically a 2 to 3 week down time. I've seen football players come back from these in shorter time. I have to believe there's more to this situation. As for Jansone, She's been back and in the game long enough to contribute more then 6 minutes. She's an athlete, she's been practicing, and since it's not an injury issue, she had better been working hard to stay in shape. We are asking our players that can play to give us all they have. And they have, without hesitation. 2 of them are still battling injuries. I just don't get it. If the plan is to limp through the rest of the season with 6, sometimes 7 players, my thought is, we haven't seen the end to the injuries, and we'll be lucky to make it to the end.
Horton has only played 5 games so she could redshirt but to be honest if she can play this is her time. Freeman barely played her last year and next year when we are healthy she will go back to the end of the bench. If Horton is to ever make a contribution this year seems to be the one. This entire season seems to very secretive about what is truely going on so who knows.
As far as numbers, I renew my call to find walkons. Did last years walk on (another Lange) return to school?
The Lange that you reference is one of the injured players. She, according to the list of injuries in the thread from the Detroit game has back, knee, and shin problems, and may not see the court this season. Of course, in Freeman's system, most walk-ons are glorified scout teamers, they really never get much time on the floor regardless of the need for them.
Quote from: valporun on January 06, 2012, 08:40:17 AM
The Lange that you reference is one of the injured players. She, according to the list of injuries in the thread from the Detroit game has back, knee, and shin problems, and may not see the court this season. Of course, in Freeman's system, most walk-ons are glorified scout teamers, they really never get much time on the floor regardless of the need for them.
We had another Lang last year see below. She played all of three minutes. Per her bio, she was a legit walk-on. We have 7 players few of which are healthly if we are content to run these girls in the ground....so be it.
#32 - Erika Lang 2010-11 Women's Basketball
POS. F HT. 6-0 YR.
Fr. HOMETOWN Las Vegas, Nev. HIGH SCHOOL (PREV. SCHOOL) Arbor View
Prep: A four-year letterwinner for the Aggies ... a Second Team All-Northwest Conference selection as a sophomore and senior ... named team's Best Offensive Player as a sophomore and teams's Best Defensive Player as a junior ... team's Most Valuable Player as a senior ... set school record for points in a career ... Las Vegas Athletic Club Best School Woman Athlete in 2009-2010 ... a four-time team captain ... Academic Athlete of the Year in 2009-2010 for Arbor View High School ... played basketball for coach Leon Doss ... President of National Honor Society ... also played volleyball.
Personal: Erika is the daughter of Eugene and Celeste Lang ... born May 8, 1992 ... major is accounting.
Between last season and this, we've taken it on the chin regarding what we've gotten in return for the scholarships we've extended. It's still upsetting about how we got burned on the Ladd situation. Scott's situation was a freak thing, and the odds are good she'll be back to palying next season.
I'm not sure who on here stated that if it weren't for the suspension Jansone would be playing in the big ten, but I don't see it. Nothing against her, and we really haven't seen how or when she'll contribute here, but if she was a bonefide big ten player, She wouldn't be limited to 6 minutes last night, and she'd be contributing when she was in. I haven't seen it yet. She may fill out someone's practice squad in the big 10 though. Not trying to be tarse, just realistic. I think most here have been around this game long enough to recognize talent levels. I'm hoping she really surprizes us all.
It would be nice to be a fly on the wall of one of the coaches meetings, just to see things as they do, and try to figure out what their plan is moving forward, and into the future. Right now I see a lot of scholarships tied up with players that may, or may not see the floor again as a Crusader. As someone else mentioned, there seems to be far too many unknowns and very little information on anything right now. All we know for sure is, we're trying to compete in a league, and a game, where we have 6.5 players up against 12 to 14, each and every game, and we're still just 1 more serious injury away from disaster. I am absolutely amazed that we're staying in the games we're playing. This is a very mentally tough group of ladies doing their best, and for that I applaud them. The coaches need to work a little harder at getting them some help, from somewhere.
The walk on that was on the team from last year "walked off" and it wasn't because of playing time. She wasn't a fan of Keith from what I heard going around, which is a shame that a coach was the factor in her quitting. I was asked to eat lunch with some of the team and that girl is such a sweetheart, wouldn't harm a fly. She was passionate about the game and her teammates. She just wasn't going to put up with him....she was torn apart leaving but for her it wasn't worth putting on a jersey for him...
Quote from: jack on January 06, 2012, 08:48:26 AM
I'm not sure who on here stated that if it weren't for the suspension Jansone would be playing in the big ten, but I don't see it. Nothing against her, and we really haven't seen how or when she'll contribute here, but if she was a bonefide big ten player, She wouldn't be limited to 6 minutes last night, and she'd be contributing when she was in. I haven't seen it yet. She may fill out someone's practice squad in the big 10 though. Not trying to be tarse, just realistic. I think most here have been around this game long enough to recognize talent levels. I'm hoping she really surprizes us all.
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Valpo Basketball / Re: O Freeman-Haters, Where Art Thou?
« on: November 18, 2011, 05:19:54 PM »
Ieva played/practiced with a pro team, never took any money, but the NCAA ruled she had to sit 11 games because of a rule that was in place several years ago. The kicker is that if Ieva were a freshman this year, she wouldn't have to sit, but she's basically being grandfathered into the rule. I'd also go so far as to say that if Ieva didn't have to miss the first 11 games of the year, a Big Ten team probably would've jumped on her.
Quote from: IndyValpo on January 06, 2012, 08:59:06 AM
Quote from: jack on January 06, 2012, 08:48:26 AM
I'm not sure who on here stated that if it weren't for the suspension Jansone would be playing in the big ten, but I don't see it. Nothing against her, and we really haven't seen how or when she'll contribute here, but if she was a bonefide big ten player, She wouldn't be limited to 6 minutes last night, and she'd be contributing when she was in. I haven't seen it yet. She may fill out someone's practice squad in the big 10 though. Not trying to be tarse, just realistic. I think most here have been around this game long enough to recognize talent levels. I'm hoping she really surprizes us all.
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Valpo Basketball / Re: O Freeman-Haters, Where Art Thou?
« on: November 18, 2011, 05:19:54 PM »
Ieva played/practiced with a pro team, never took any money, but the NCAA ruled she had to sit 11 games because of a rule that was in place several years ago. The kicker is that if Ieva were a freshman this year, she wouldn't have to sit, but she's basically being grandfathered into the rule. I'd also go so far as to say that if Ieva didn't have to miss the first 11 games of the year, a Big Ten team probably would've jumped on her.
Am I missing something here? Not seeing it.
Quote from: jhnmttws75 on January 06, 2012, 08:57:04 AM
The walk on that was on the team from last year "walked off" and it wasn't because of playing time. She wasn't a fan of Keith from what I heard going around, which is a shame that a coach was the factor in her quitting. I was asked to eat lunch with some of the team and that girl is such a sweetheart, wouldn't harm a fly. She was passionate about the game and her teammates. She just wasn't going to put up with him....she was torn apart leaving but for her it wasn't worth putting on a jersey for him...
Sounds like the walk-on isn't the only one with a problem with Keith.
Quote from: jack on January 06, 2012, 09:12:34 AM
Quote from: IndyValpo on January 06, 2012, 08:59:06 AM
Quote from: jack on January 06, 2012, 08:48:26 AM
I'm not sure who on here stated that if it weren't for the suspension Jansone would be playing in the big ten, but I don't see it. Nothing against her, and we really haven't seen how or when she'll contribute here, but if she was a bonefide big ten player, She wouldn't be limited to 6 minutes last night, and she'd be contributing when she was in. I haven't seen it yet. She may fill out someone's practice squad in the big 10 though. Not trying to be tarse, just realistic. I think most here have been around this game long enough to recognize talent levels. I'm hoping she really surprizes us all.
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Valpo Basketball / Re: O Freeman-Haters, Where Art Thou?
« on: November 18, 2011, 05:19:54 PM »
Ieva played/practiced with a pro team, never took any money, but the NCAA ruled she had to sit 11 games because of a rule that was in place several years ago. The kicker is that if Ieva were a freshman this year, she wouldn't have to sit, but she's basically being grandfathered into the rule. I'd also go so far as to say that if Ieva didn't have to miss the first 11 games of the year, a Big Ten team probably would've jumped on her.
Am I missing something here? Not seeing it.
Just confirming that someone used Jansone and Big 10 together in a thread.
Yeah, I was just wondering if someone else could make the comparison. ;o)
I can believe that Coach Freeman isn't the easiest person to play basketball for. I remember many times being up on the track during track practice, and he would be screaming at one of the girls, almost up in her face/in her ear about something with the drill/play they were running. I feel to play for Coach Freeman, you have to have a variety thick skin, or use what he's doing to motivate you to meet his standards and desires for play that he wants. If we go back to 2004-2005, you could easily see the difference in players who were freshmen or sophomores that due to playing time or differences with Coach Freeman, left the program and the university.
When you look back at past seasons I always wondered why the girls who had an extra 5th year wouldn't play...it all makes sense. You have girls in the past and present who are unhappy for a reason. Ask players who have graduated from him how they liked it? Have you ever seen an alumni at the game? Here and there yes...Gick was a hell of a point guard and she had passion for a game. If she wanted too she could have pushed through it cause she's tough. But the pain wasn't worth it anymore to put up with...like the walk on. I know Gick and I know this is true. Has anyone investigated this program? They haven't had a season over 50 yet in the horizon.
In response to the game last night...the girls worked as hard as they could for having 7. But Keith is known for being out coached when the games get close. It's been like this for the past 2-3 even 4 years. I love watching the the other teams coach have so much passion for their team and the game and watch ours just sit there making faces to the assistants. An investigation is needed for this program sonnet rather than later.
jhn, part of the reason why some of the alums haven't been at games is due to their coaching at other colleges/universities or high schools, playing overseas, or have been one of "95% who go pro in something other than sports". I looked at each roster since 2004-2005, and I saw five players who were freshmen or sophomores that left the program because they just didn't want to play for Freeman. I didn't count Gick and at least one other because of injuries, but when you're averaging at least 2-3 players from your roster for one reason or another don't finish their four years, it has to say something about evaluation of the player besides stats, ability, and grades.
Sadly, I think leaving a program happens far more often then it should. I have not heard of any players leaving in the past few years, just because of Freeman, or any other coach at VU. If they have, it wasn't made public to my knowledge.
i think regardless, we need to be trying to bring in some help from somewhere, if we can't count on any of our players that are out, to return. Having the men's squad to help out at practice is one thing, but having help at game time will be pivitol to how our season shakes out. Bottom line - we need more players, period. No clearer example of that then last night. Even with our horendous shooting night, we were still in this one - and ran out of steam, to a team that threw fresh legs at us all damn night.
Quote from: valporun on January 06, 2012, 01:48:11 PM
jhn, part of the reason why some of the alums haven't been at games is due to their coaching at other colleges/universities or high schools, playing overseas, or have been one of "95% who go pro in something other than sports". I looked at each roster since 2004-2005, and I saw five players who were freshmen or sophomores that left the program because they just didn't want to play for Freeman. I didn't count Gick and at least one other because of injuries, but when you're averaging at least 2-3 players from your roster for one reason or another don't finish their four years, it has to say something about evaluation of the player besides stats, ability, and grades.
Ladd would be a great example of this. I think early on it was known that she was iffy, at best, and had issues with leaving home. I think we could have averted this issue prior to signing. Lack of alums at games isn't telling, in my opinion. Some folks are just to busy, and not exactly in the area anymore to get to a game or two. I think forgoing a 5th year of elgibility is a different issue for men then the women. Many of these ladies don't aspire to play beyond college, and are moving on to employment after their studies. The men are always looking for more time and exposure on the floor.
Quote from: jhnmttws75 on January 06, 2012, 01:39:27 PM
When you look back at past seasons I always wondered why the girls who had an extra 5th year wouldn't play...it all makes sense. You have girls in the past and present who are unhappy for a reason. Ask players who have graduated from him how they liked it? Have you ever seen an alumni at the game? Here and there yes...Gick was a hell of a point guard and she had passion for a game. If she wanted too she could have pushed through it cause she's tough. But the pain wasn't worth it anymore to put up with...like the walk on. I know Gick and I know this is true. Has anyone investigated this program? They haven't had a season over 50 yet in the horizon.
In response to the game last night...the girls worked as hard as they could for having 7. But Keith is known for being out coached when the games get close. It's been like this for the past 2-3 even 4 years. I love watching the the other teams coach have so much passion for their team and the game and watch ours just sit there making faces to the assistants. An investigation is needed for this program sonnet rather than later.
So, how little did your daughter play?
Don't have a daughter...I'm not a father or mother on here complaining because "my daughter" doesn't get minutes. I'm just an old fart who has been following the team for many years.
http://www.nwitimes.com/blogs/sports/valparaiso-university/what-s-up-with-ieva-jansone-and-the-crusaders/article_db621f20-38ad-11e1-b978-001871e3ce6c.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/blogs/sports/valparaiso-university/what-s-up-with-ieva-jansone-and-the-crusaders/article_db621f20-38ad-11e1-b978-001871e3ce6c.html)
This excuse is probably the lamest of all time. Let's keep her out of games until she practices more 5 on 5. Are we to believe that this coaching staff is not resourceful enough to figure out a way to accomplish this for 2-3 weeks while the men are away. Sad commentary on this staff.
However, I appreciate the updates on our injury situation.
I did not get the impresson we knew Jansone was going to have to sit 11 until close to the start of the season.
Quote from: IndyValpo on January 06, 2012, 04:17:55 PM
This excuse is probably the lamest of all time. Let's keep her out of games until she practices more 5 on 5. Are we to believe that this coaching staff is not resourceful enough to figure out a way to accomplish this for 2-3 weeks while the men are away. Sad commentary on this staff.
I don't know anything about what types of individuals are allowed to practice against an NCAA varsity team, but how many of them are sticking around campus when school is out? The team managers are supposed to do team manager stuff. The coaches are supposed to coach and observe. Everyone else who is probably on campus during winter break is either an athlete already busy with another sport or a professor, staff member, and other academic or maintenance personnel.
Who among them are able or would want to go full court 5-on-5 with a varsity women's basketball team? It's Break! Campus is a ghost town! It's not like the dorms are overflowing w/ people right now! The vast, vast majority of the student body has been out since the 19th and won't come back until Sunday!
Quote from: KL31NY on January 06, 2012, 05:09:56 PM
Quote from: IndyValpo on January 06, 2012, 04:17:55 PM
This excuse is probably the lamest of all time. Let's keep her out of games until she practices more 5 on 5. Are we to believe that this coaching staff is not resourceful enough to figure out a way to accomplish this for 2-3 weeks while the men are away. Sad commentary on this staff.
I don't know anything about what types of individuals are allowed to practice against an NCAA varsity team, but how many of them are sticking around campus when school is out? The team managers are supposed to do team manager stuff. The coaches are supposed to coach and observe. Everyone else who is probably on campus during winter break is either an athlete already busy with another sport or a professor, staff member, and other academic or maintenance personnel. Who among them are able or would want to go full court 5-on-5 with a varsity women's basketball team? It's Break! Campus is a ghost town! It's not like the dorms are overflowing w/ people right now! The vast, vast majority of the student body has been out since the 19th and won't come back until Sunday!
So you think team manager stuff is more important than someone learning the offense? We have 4 coaches, think we could free up a couple so that one of our 7 players can learn the offense, remember Richardson is healthy as well.. We are learning the offense, you do not even have to be 5 on 5. Here is an idea put Jansone on the 1st team and run the offense. Hell if you have to, put out some folding chairs. We have 7 able bodies and this coaching staff decides to wait to teach her the offense. Like I said, sad. What does it say when 4 coaches can't teach one player the offense in 3 weeks.
Quote from: IndyValpo on January 06, 2012, 05:20:43 PM
Quote from: KL31NY on January 06, 2012, 05:09:56 PM
Quote from: IndyValpo on January 06, 2012, 04:17:55 PM
This excuse is probably the lamest of all time. Let's keep her out of games until she practices more 5 on 5. Are we to believe that this coaching staff is not resourceful enough to figure out a way to accomplish this for 2-3 weeks while the men are away. Sad commentary on this staff.
I don't know anything about what types of individuals are allowed to practice against an NCAA varsity team, but how many of them are sticking around campus when school is out? The team managers are supposed to do team manager stuff. The coaches are supposed to coach and observe. Everyone else who is probably on campus during winter break is either an athlete already busy with another sport or a professor, staff member, and other academic or maintenance personnel. Who among them are able or would want to go full court 5-on-5 with a varsity women's basketball team? It's Break! Campus is a ghost town! It's not like the dorms are overflowing w/ people right now! The vast, vast majority of the student body has been out since the 19th and won't come back until Sunday!
So you think team manager stuff is more important than someone learning the offense? We have 4 coaches, think we could free up a couple so that one of our 7 players can learn the offense, remember Richardson is healthy as well.. We are learning the offense, you do not even have to be 5 on 5. Here is an idea put Jansone on the 1st team and run the offense. Hell if you have to, put out some folding chairs. We have 7 able bodies and this coaching staff decides to wait to teach her the offense. Like I said, sad. What does it say when 4 coaches can't teach one player the offense in 3 weeks.
I thought this argument was about how to go full speed 5v5 to get in shape and get reps, not simply understand the x's and o's, but to tie it all together... I'd like to think she has learned the offense by now as long as she's been with the team, but nothing can replace full-speed workouts. That's why the lack of available scout teamers over breaks coupled w/ her leg injury early on have limited her participation and production so far. :twocents:
PS: Haven't seen Richardson since break began. Since she can't play this season, she might have been given the chance to enjoy break at home.
Quote from: KL31NY on January 06, 2012, 06:27:13 PM
Quote from: IndyValpo on January 06, 2012, 05:20:43 PM
Quote from: KL31NY on January 06, 2012, 05:09:56 PM
Quote from: IndyValpo on January 06, 2012, 04:17:55 PM
This excuse is probably the lamest of all time. Let's keep her out of games until she practices more 5 on 5. Are we to believe that this coaching staff is not resourceful enough to figure out a way to accomplish this for 2-3 weeks while the men are away. Sad commentary on this staff.
I don't know anything about what types of individuals are allowed to practice against an NCAA varsity team, but how many of them are sticking around campus when school is out? The team managers are supposed to do team manager stuff. The coaches are supposed to coach and observe. Everyone else who is probably on campus during winter break is either an athlete already busy with another sport or a professor, staff member, and other academic or maintenance personnel. Who among them are able or would want to go full court 5-on-5 with a varsity women's basketball team? It's Break! Campus is a ghost town! It's not like the dorms are overflowing w/ people right now! The vast, vast majority of the student body has been out since the 19th and won't come back until Sunday!
So you think team manager stuff is more important than someone learning the offense? We have 4 coaches, think we could free up a couple so that one of our 7 players can learn the offense, remember Richardson is healthy as well.. We are learning the offense, you do not even have to be 5 on 5. Here is an idea put Jansone on the 1st team and run the offense. Hell if you have to, put out some folding chairs. We have 7 able bodies and this coaching staff decides to wait to teach her the offense. Like I said, sad. What does it say when 4 coaches can't teach one player the offense in 3 weeks.
I thought this argument was about how to go full speed 5v5 to get in shape and get reps, not simply understand the x's and o's, but to tie it all together... I'd like to think she has learned the offense by now as long as she's been with the team, but nothing can replace full-speed workouts. That's why the lack of available scout teamers over breaks coupled w/ her leg injury early on have limited her participation and production so far. :twocents:
PS: Haven't seen Richardson since break began. Since she can't play this season, she might have been given the chance to enjoy break at home.
Jansone has been with the team, both in China, and back home practicing and learning. I have to agree, not having enough 5 on 5 time is lame, at best.
If what you suggest is the case, then we need to look at our coaching philosophy. If a player is allowed to stay away during break when they could clearly assist in getting your available team ready to compete, then we clearly have a problem. That is the most assinign thing I've heard in all my years involved in the game, at the college level. If that player doesn't choose to be there, then we've extended, yet another scholarship to someone, that doesn't deserve or warrant one. It's time to take the kid gloves off and find out who wants to earn their keep, and who doesn't. Coaches included!!!!! I truly hope that isn't the case, or I need to re-evaluate my effort to support this program. Wow.!!
No need to paste in the past stuff, so I'll save the space by not doing so. I admit that I don't know for sure why she isn't there, but what do you think would be a good reason for her not to be present (unless your point is that there is no good reason)? All I know for sure is that I have not personally seen her since the final practice before break. Having thought about it though, I decided to take a look at the video from last night, and she did appear to be sitting on the bench for Cleveland State.
That's even worse if she's "sitting on the bench for Cleveland State"! :) You are correct, my point was there is no good reason to not be there, unless it's a family matter.