So the Panthers had a chance to do something special on Sunday at the ORena; Wichmann misses three free throws with 6 seconds on the clock in a tie-game. ... and they lose to Oakland in Overtime.
Your first place Crusaders head in with a 7-game winning streak. This CANNOT BE A TRAP GAME!!
Here's the Panther box score from Oakland:
http://mkepanthers.com/boxscore.aspx?path=mbball&id=7368
They are 8-15, 5-3 at home. Best win was neutral court over #153 UCIrvine; Their other wins are over #289, #260, #161 (NoKy), 253 (ClevSt), 249 (Yst), 275 (UDM)... and a non-D1.
There is also a fan bus leaving from Valpo for this game.
Valpo will grab consecutive win #8 Thursday night, 82-62.
Valpo 78
Milw 63
Info on fan bus?
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on January 30, 2017, 08:19:12 PM
Info on fan bus?
http://alumni.valpo.edu/s/1347/index.aspx?sid=1347&gid=1&pgid=1899&cid=3967&ecid=3967&crid=0&calpgid=906&calcid=2190
You'll have to call the Alumni office at 219-464-5142 to get a reservation but you can still get in on it. You need to call the Milwaukee ticket office 414-229-5886 and talk to Nate for a ticket in the Valpo section which is section 321. I found out I'll be in the Chicago area on Thursday and will be at both the alumni event at Andy Nunemaker's home and at the game.
Will be interesting to see if everyone who has been in the regular rotation is available for the Milwaukee game.
The Times ran an arrest column today. Just saying.
Quote from: Valpo89 on February 01, 2017, 08:07:21 AM
Will be interesting to see if everyone who has been in the regular rotation is available for the Milwaukee game.
The Times ran an arrest column today. Just saying.
I saw that too. I guess Derrick will have additional time to work on his game.
Quote from: humbleopinion on February 01, 2017, 08:13:27 AM
Quote from: Valpo89 on February 01, 2017, 08:07:21 AM
Will be interesting to see if everyone who has been in the regular rotation is available for the Milwaukee game.
The Times ran an arrest column today. Just saying.
I saw that too. I guess Derrick will have additional time to work on his game.
The most recent arrest column in the online version is from the 29th. Don't make me buy a paper. You're not spreading rumors, just reporting facts. What gives?
What happened now? Can someone clarify??
#14 made this mornings edition of the paper in a lengthy list of alcohol-related items.
I found it online:
Jan. 27-30
ALCOHOL CHARGE — Corynne Griffith, 20, Lemont; Caitlyn Oliver, 19, Valparaiso; Maria Broecker, 18, Rochester, Minnesota; Lillian Jackson, 18, Medina, Ohio; Olivia Janke, 19, Canton, Missouri; Juame Sorolla, 19, Valparaiso; Julia Lehnen, 19, Valparaiso; Arnold Hernandez, 20, Valparaiso; Tahelah Noel, 18, Valparaiso; Dan Kolangui, 20, Valparaiso; Ignacio Miras-Blanco, 19, Valparaiso; Samuel Addy, 18, Valparaiso; Michael Cushing, 19, Orange, California
How do we know it's "our" Juame Sorolla? ;)
Well that's good that it's "Juame" Sorolla, our guy is Jaume Sorolla
^lol
Anyone know whether this would result in him missing any time?
Look what happened to Jubril - 13 games and counting. Look what happened to Max - 0 games and counting.
Deny, deny, deny.
Valpo track team members who are charged with under-age drinking have to miss one meet. Don't ask me how I know this....
Quote from: Valpo89 on February 01, 2017, 08:05:37 AM
Speaking of attendance, sometimes a decent halftime show might attract some additional fans (not students anyway). The Jesse White Tumblers, a frisbee dog, a guy on a unicycle. Those are things that have been done in the past.
This year's halftimes have been lame. Almost as bad as the Family Express commercials. I love Family Express, but the commercials make me NOT want to go there.
All I've seen recently is a two-minute routine by the Crusaderettes, and then the clock just ticks down until the teams come back out to warm up. A few games have featured Boone Grove or Chesterton kids scrimmaging.
I'm sure whoever used to be in charge probably doesn't work there any more. If there has been a replacement, that person needs to figure things out.
Aside from the product on the court, Valpo games tend to lack a certain sense of legitimacy for D1 standards. It's not just the gym (this has been discussed to death), but things like the player intros where the student ticket staff has to run to the corners to move the spot lights back and forth.
The new scoreboard helps things, but the atmosphere could be drastically improved by adding an MC, some cool lights, a mascot that can backflip, etc.
Way off topic.
Underage drinking is a crime. I understand that. But VUPDs lengthy tradition of full on arrests and transportation to Porter County Jail is a bit much. When I was at Vu they would go so far as to pull over the student escort van to breathalyze everyone. I personally witnessed two male students taken from their dorm room where they were drinking and arrested. Other schools will make offending students attend a couple of meetings and/or write a report.
Now it's possible (looks likely) that they were off campus partying and if you're being stupid doing that you have what's coming. I appreciate this will need to be addressed by the team in terms of a suspension, but it's hard to not be a little pissed when I think of how few Baylor football players were actually suspended over the past few years.
End of rant. (for now)
Didn't this happen a few years back to a few of our guys?? I don't want to say names and be wrong, but I believe they got a 2 or 3 game holiday.
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on February 01, 2017, 10:18:10 AM
Way off topic.
Underage drinking is a crime. I understand that. But VUPDs lengthy tradition of full on arrests and transportation to Porter County Jail is a bit much. When I was at Vu they would go so far as to pull over the student escort van to breathalyze everyone. I personally witnessed two male students taken from their dorm room where they were drinking and arrested. Other schools will make offending students attend a couple of meetings and/or write a report.
Now it's possible (looks likely) that they were off campus partying and if you're being stupid doing that you have what's coming. I appreciate this will need to be addressed by the team in terms of a suspension, but it's hard to not be a little pissed when I think of how few Baylor football players were actually suspended over the past few years.
End of rant. (for now)
Also, Sorrola has been able to legally drink in his country for THREE YEARS. An arrest is assanine. An ARREST!
Quote from: M on February 01, 2017, 10:19:43 AM
Didn't this happen a few years back to a few of our guys?? I don't want to say names and be wrong, but I believe they got a 2 or 3 game holiday.
Yep, along with some FB players. Happened in the off-season I believe.
Double whammy here though: underage AND in-season.
Here's another interesting question: What if this happened Saturday night?
He played Sunday.
Hmm.
NO BENCH POS MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OREB DREB RB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
14 SOROLLA, Jaume 22 4-4 0-0 0-0 2 1 3 1 0 1 0 1 8
Musta been Sunday night or he wouldn't have been in uniform and played 22 minutes.
Quote from: Valpo89 on February 01, 2017, 10:46:20 AM
Here's another interesting question: What if this happened Saturday night?
He played Sunday.
Hmm.
Oh, great. The next thing that will happen is the university will ask the NCAA for clarification about whether he should have played Sunday, and hold him out until they get an answer. We may see J again sometime in December.
Quote from: Valpo89 on February 01, 2017, 10:46:20 AM
Here's another interesting question: What if this happened Saturday night?
He played Sunday.
Hmm.
It did. And he certainly did.
Quote from: M on February 01, 2017, 10:19:43 AM
Didn't this happen a few years back to a few of our guys?? I don't want to say names and be wrong, but I believe they got a 2 or 3 game holiday.
Yes it did, Jubril and Shane were caught. Each got a two game suspension.
Quote from: VULB#62 on February 01, 2017, 10:56:34 AMMusta been Sunday night or he wouldn't have been in uniform and played 22 minutes.
I think it was actually Friday night. I was already hearing word about it on Saturday. I've been waiting for the blotter to come out, more or less. The Times website for their "Crime Times" blotter seems a bit of a mess, but I do now see it electronically. They seem to run a "weekend roundup" on Monday, so probably it came out then.
It happens there was a similar incident the previous weekend, but with no athletes involved AFAIK (though some other students I'm connected with, alas). That one had a news report written up, a few days after the fact, with the address (north of campus some blocks) and some details.
I haven't seen a similarly detailed report of the more recent event. But, from the list (public at nwitimes.com), there were a number of student athletes involved.
Rumors are that it was off campus, but not far off campus. And probably that it was the city police, rather than VUPD. With suggestions that if it was on campus it might perhaps have been handled more "gently". But, as has been mentioned here, VUPD has gone back and forth over the years in terms of how "quietly" they're willing to handle these kinds of incidents with students.
For VUMBB we have concrete, recent experience, as has been mentioned here. Was it one current (and still current, more or less) team member and one sitting-out-his-transfer-year student? Someone could look up the penalty. If I remember the incident was out-of-season and the penalty was a game or three suspension served at the discretion of the coaching staff (don't think it was the first games of the season).
Quote from: ValpoHoops on February 01, 2017, 11:21:24 AM
Quote from: Valpo89 on February 01, 2017, 10:46:20 AM
Here's another interesting question: What if this happened Saturday night?
He played Sunday.
Hmm.
It did. And he certainly did.
Whether it was Friday or Saturday, it seems like it was before the game.
Could be another question, maybe, of when the coaching staff or Athletic department became (formally?) aware of it.
And, innocent until proven guilty and all, I imagine it could come down to how a particular student reported (or didn't) the incident, etc.
*shrug* Not a good situation for the players, or the student in general, not a good situation for the coaching staff or Athletic department. No easy answers.
A little discretion, or generally better judgment, by the students could presumably go a long way toward avoiding this kind of thing. Maybe a little guidance from the upper-classmen as well.
Oh, and... wait for it. Wait for it...
In Spain I believe they can legally drink at age 16. Not excusing this, just find it interesting how different cultures handle things like drinking age.
I think it has been proven in the past that the coaching staff has discretion as to when to suspend the student-athlete. Adekoya was suspended the first two games after the Dec. 13 arrest two years ago. Hammink was also arrested at that party and his suspension kicked in at the beginning of the following season when he was eligible. Drew elected to play Hammink in the first two games of the year, then have him sit out against IU-Kokomo and Trinity Christian. I don't believe there is any NCAA jurisdiction here.
I think a big part of it is what were the details. Was he falling down drunk or did he perhaps have a drink as part of a fraternity initiation event and then go to another party later and simply get caught in the wrong place at the wrong time? BAC level would go a long way in determining this. I suppose we wait for the police report should it ever come.
Quote from: bbtds on January 30, 2017, 09:30:40 PM
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on January 30, 2017, 08:19:12 PM
Info on fan bus?
http://alumni.valpo.edu/s/1347/index.aspx?sid=1347&gid=1&pgid=1899&cid=3967&ecid=3967&crid=0&calpgid=906&calcid=2190
You'll have to call the Alumni office at 219-464-5142 to get a reservation but you can still get in on it. You need to call the Milwaukee ticket office 414-229-5886 and talk to Nate for a ticket in the Valpo section which is section 321. I found out I'll be in the Chicago area on Thursday and will be at both the alumni event at Andy Nunemaker's home and at the game.
It maybe deserves it's own thread, but I think it's fantastic that what seems to have become an annual Milwaukee fan bus tradition continues.
And that they're running one to Oakland this year as well.
Quote from: Pgmado on February 01, 2017, 12:18:16 PMAdekoya was suspended the first two games after the Dec. 13 arrest two years ago. Hammink was also arrested at that party and his suspension kicked in at the beginning of the following season when he was eligible. Drew elected to play Hammink in the first two games of the year, then have him sit out against IU-Kokomo and Trinity Christian.
These journalists and their so-called "facts" getting in the way of rampant internet speculation and half-memories!
Thanks for the info, Paul.
It might surely be tempting to delay any penalty until we've clinched the conference title!
Quote from: agibson on February 01, 2017, 12:21:52 PMIt might surely be tempting to delay any penalty until we've clinched the conference title!
Or after the return of Jubril...
Quote from: agibson on February 01, 2017, 11:57:55 AM
Oh, and... wait for it. Wait for it...
Quote from: humbleopinion on February 01, 2017, 12:52:41 PM
Quote from: agibson on February 01, 2017, 12:21:52 PMIt might surely be tempting to delay any penalty until we've clinched the conference title!
Or after the return of Jubril...
There it is!
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on February 01, 2017, 10:18:10 AMWay off topic. Underage drinking is a crime. I understand that. But VUPDs lengthy tradition of full on arrests and transportation to Porter County Jail is a bit much. When I was at Vu they would go so far as to pull over the student escort van to breathalyze everyone. I personally witnessed two male students taken from their dorm room where they were drinking and arrested. Other schools will make offending students attend a couple of meetings and/or write a report. Now it's possible (looks likely) that they were off campus partying and if you're being stupid doing that you have what's coming. I appreciate this will need to be addressed by the team in terms of a suspension, but it's hard to not be a little pissed when I think of how few Baylor football players were actually suspended over the past few years. End of rant. (for now)
I'm a more recent alumnus than most on this board, but my understanding is that VUPD is now much different in regards to underage drinking than it used to be. I believe the current VUPD chief (Chuck I think his name is?) has a much more...shall we say "reasonable" attitude than those previously in his position. I only had one alcohol related run-in with VUPD and the officer was much more relaxed and casual about it ("Just go home for the night and I'll leave you with a warning") than he could have been. I don't remember hearing about the late van getting pulled over during my time, but it is frequently used by drunk students.
The city police, meanwhile, you didn't mess with. A group of friends was stopped and breathalyzed by a city cop on the sidewalk off campus when one playfully grabbed a nearby tree branch. They were all sober, but heaven forbid we have drunken college kids grabbing tree branches around town.
If Sorolla was taken in, I bet the incident occurred off campus. He'd have to be pretty belligerent or REALLY drunk to get the university police to haul him off.
Here's a good word of advice to VU athletes: Don't attend an "underage drinking party," especially outside of campus.
Odds are not in your favor. Valpo cops will find you.
Throughout the years, the Tuesday Police Blotter in the Times regularly features a "Police bust xx at underage drinking party."
Wait until you're 21. And then, don't do anything stupid during the season. It's not worth the grief.
Quote from: Valpo89 on February 01, 2017, 03:31:11 PM
Here's a good word of advice to VU athletes: Don't attend an "underage drinking party," especially outside of campus.
Odds are not in your favor. Valpo cops will find you.
Throughout the years, the Tuesday Police Blotter in the Times regularly features a "Police bust xx at underage drinking party."
Wait until you're 21. And then, don't do anything stupid during the season. It's not worth the grief.
Party happened at Uptown East Apartments. It's as close to being on campus as you can be without actually being on-campus.
He was just loading up on carbohydrates for the game on Sunday. He is foreign and must have misunderstood what Lottich meant by, "get plenty of carbs tonight." :)
Anyone else a bit numb to drama regarding eligibility with this years team?
This might be a good game for J to take a seat. Milwaukee will go pretty small. In the regular 8 man rotation (at least against Oakland in the last game), they have one kid at 6'9", one at 6'7" and everybody else 6'5" down to 5'11".
When I played football, we typically got arrested in 2s, 3s, 4s and sometimes even 5s. I realize the basketball team isn't as big but it's too bad he didn't get in trouble with his teammates--it can really be a team bonding thing when you're singing kumbaya in the jail cell.
Maybe he forgot that the legal drinking age is higher in the United States? ;)
Quote from: momofalex on February 01, 2017, 10:15:00 AMValpo track team members who are charged with under-age drinking have to miss one meet. Don't ask me how I know this....
LOL! Thanks Mom.
Dopiest law on the books.
Quote from: wh on February 01, 2017, 10:59:56 AMQuote from: Valpo89 on February 01, 2017, 10:46:20 AMHere's another interesting question: What if this happened Saturday night? He played Sunday. Hmm.
Oh, great. The next thing that will happen is the university will ask the NCAA for clarification about whether he should have played Sunday, and hold him out until they get an answer. We may see J again sometime in December.
It's a University issue and not an NCAA issue.
If we hear anything it will be "violation of team rules" which is standard for "underaged drinking" across the collegiate athletic sphere. When we had 47 non 21ers suspended a couple of years ago it wasn't even mentioned by most, if not all, of the sports. The player just sat out with no comments from the coaching staff to the public.
Quote from: Valpo89 on February 01, 2017, 03:31:11 PMHere's a good word of advice to VU athletes: Don't attend an "underage drinking party," especially outside of campus. Odds are not in your favor. Valpo cops will find you. Throughout the years, the Tuesday Police Blotter in the Times regularly features a "Police bust xx at underage drinking party." Wait until you're 21. And then, don't do anything stupid during the season. It's not worth the grief.
It might be good advice but there's also a fair amount of unrealistic expectations in that advice.
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/826981984144617473
Give me a break!!!! You go to Valpo you DRINK !!!! The culture has always been study hard - drink hard. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Quote from: VU2014 on February 01, 2017, 08:41:57 PM
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If there is a two-game suspension, Lottich has authority to determine which two games. I would recommend the Cleveland State & Youngstown St. games at the ARC.
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A .031 BAC can't be more than about two beers for a man of his size. Two game suspension for two drinks seems hefty, but I guess a minor is a minor.
Sorolla's decision was stupid and selfish.
It matters not that he is only 19, that the legal age where he grew up is 16 or whatever, that other kids drink, that his BAC was only .031, that players in Power 5 conferences get away with a lot worse, etc.
What matters is that his actions have further eroded a short bench and have increased the chances we will lose one, or both, of the two games he is likely to miss.
Peters and everybody else, including the AD and everyone involved with the men's basketball program, have busted their ass to make sure this is a special season – and then this guy puts it all in jeopardy by doing the very thing he was no doubt warned about many, many times.
He has also placed Coach Lottich in a tough spot--suspend him now, against tough opponents on the road, or later, against two weaker opponents at home.
I never agreed with Drew's decision to hold up the suspension of Hammink or whoever it was until we played a couple of cupcakes. I'll bet Coach Lottich takes the tougher route.
Paul
Texting and driving is insanely more dangerous to oneself and others than drinking two beers at a party. He should be punished by the team accordingly - maybe run some laps in practice. Sitting a player two games for being a normal college student is completely assanine. He's already been punished enough for being ARRESTED three years after it was legal to drink in his home country. I don't see why the team has to punish him at all.
The spread Valpo -10
Rules are rules whether they're fair or unfair or stupid. They are still the rules. If you play a game with rules you have to obey them or face the consequences. If you don't want to follow the rules, don't play. I may not like it but there are a lot of things in life I don't like or agree on but I live with them anyways.
Quote from: VUBBFan on February 01, 2017, 10:58:24 PM
Rules are rules whether they're fair or unfair or stupid. They are still the rules. If you play a game with rules you have to obey them or face the consequences. If you don't want to follow the rules, don't play. I may not like it but there are a lot of things in life I don't like or agree on but I live with them anyways.
Where's this rule coming from?
Quote from: a3uge on February 01, 2017, 11:13:48 PMQuote from: VUBBFan on February 01, 2017, 10:58:24 PMRules are rules whether they're fair or unfair or stupid. They are still the rules. If you play a game with rules you have to obey them or face the consequences. If you don't want to follow the rules, don't play. I may not like it but there are a lot of things in life I don't like or agree on but I live with them anyways.
Where's this rule coming from?
This would be from rules of conduct. Almost every sports team has a list of "team rules" regarding what players are expected to do or act.
Quote from: 78crusader on February 01, 2017, 09:44:50 PM
He has also placed Coach Lottich in a tough spot--suspend him now, against tough opponents on the road, or later, against two weaker opponents at home.
I never agreed with Drew's decision to hold up the suspension of Hammink or whoever it was until we played a couple of cupcakes. I'll bet Coach Lottich takes the tougher route.
Paul
Hold him out of the games in which the team still has the best chance of winning. Why punish the rest of the team?
Quote from: a3uge on February 01, 2017, 10:22:51 AMWhen I was at Vu they would go so far as to pull over the student escort van to breathalyze everyone
I was not one of these students, but what started happening was students stopped using a dial a-ride and walking home and made other safe choices like putting 12 people in a car and trying to figure out how to use a round-about for the first time while intoxicated....
Quote from: a3uge on February 01, 2017, 10:22:51 AM
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on February 01, 2017, 10:18:10 AM
Way off topic.
Underage drinking is a crime. I understand that. But VUPDs lengthy tradition of full on arrests and transportation to Porter County Jail is a bit much. When I was at Vu they would go so far as to pull over the student escort van to breathalyze everyone. I personally witnessed two male students taken from their dorm room where they were drinking and arrested. Other schools will make offending students attend a couple of meetings and/or write a report.
Now it's possible (looks likely) that they were off campus partying and if you're being stupid doing that you have what's coming. I appreciate this will need to be addressed by the team in terms of a suspension, but it's hard to not be a little pissed when I think of how few Baylor football players were actually suspended over the past few years.
End of rant. (for now)
Also, Sorrola has been able to legally drink in his country for THREE YEARS. An arrest is assanine. An ARREST!
I'm not sure this is true. If the alleged is true, Jay knew the law and ignored the law. He is just as guilty as the other athletes/students caught consuming alcohol. Especially since in happened during the basketball season.
Quote from: agibson on February 01, 2017, 12:54:30 PM
Quote from: agibson on February 01, 2017, 11:57:55 AM
Oh, and... wait for it. Wait for it...
Quote from: humbleopinion on February 01, 2017, 12:52:41 PM
Quote from: agibson on February 01, 2017, 12:21:52 PMIt might surely be tempting to delay any penalty until we've clinched the conference title!
Or after the return of Jubril...
There it is!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffCEr327W44
(start at 30 seconds)
Quote from: Valpo89 on February 01, 2017, 03:31:11 PM
Here's a good word of advice to VU athletes: Don't attend an "underage drinking party," especially outside of campus.
Odds are not in your favor. Valpo cops will find you.
Throughout the years, the Tuesday Police Blotter in the Times regularly features a "Police bust xx at underage drinking party."
Wait until you're 21. And then, don't do anything stupid during the season. It's not worth the grief.
Is that Jankowski guy some old dude? ;D
Quote from: wh on February 01, 2017, 10:59:56 AM
Quote from: Valpo89 on February 01, 2017, 10:46:20 AM
Here's another interesting question: What if this happened Saturday night?
He played Sunday.
Hmm.
Oh, great. The next thing that will happen is the university will ask the NCAA for clarification about whether he should have played Sunday, and hold him out until they get an answer. We may see J again sometime in December.
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Quote from: bbtds on February 02, 2017, 07:23:00 AM
Quote from: wh on February 01, 2017, 10:59:56 AM
Quote from: Valpo89 on February 01, 2017, 10:46:20 AM
Here's another interesting question: What if this happened Saturday night?
He played Sunday.
Hmm.
Oh, great. The next thing that will happen is the university will ask the NCAA for clarification about whether he should have played Sunday, and hold him out until they get an answer. We may see J again sometime in December.
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I'll admit, I do sometimes miss the days when we had more active memers and jokesters!
Quote from: wh on February 01, 2017, 10:55:38 PMThe spread Valpo -10
I would bet we cover. We have done really well without Jubril and we'll be fine without Jay(whenever that may be). Plus its not like the players would be mad at him. He is 19 years old, made a mistake, not a big deal. Even if we lose a game its not like we can get an at large bid(win out and lose in horizon league finals,maybe but still not likely), however if we do win the tournament, seeding would matter, but still it's just a game. I coach swimming at the DIII level and you have no idea how hard it is to keep everyone in line. VU Basketball is obviously on a different level but they are all the same age. You can tell 18-22 year olds to not do something a million times, but sometimes they just want to take a risk. I had a run in or two with VUPD, fortunately never missed a meet but lets all relax and just enjoy the game tonight!
I'll be going to both the pre-game event and the game. Anyone else from the fan board going to either or both?
Quote from: hailcrusaders on February 01, 2017, 09:28:10 PM
A .031 BAC can't be more than about two beers for a man of his size. Two game suspension for two drinks seems hefty, but I guess a minor is a minor.
According to this site, he may have had about 4 beers in a 2 hour period.
http://bloodalcoholcalculator.org/
While everyone has opinions about the drinking laws and their enforcement it's good to remember that Jaume would not be getting in trouble because he had alcohol, he would be getting in trouble because he was arrested.
You can dislike the arrest or whatnot but drinking in season is often a large no-no for this exact reason. A two-game suspension isn't much and it might have consequences for the team but if it didn't it wouldn't be nearly as an effective deterrent if it didn't.
I also think it's good to reflect on how willing we are to bend the rules for our team, or to decry something as unfair and how that reflects on how we see athletes get away with even worse stuff. It's not equal, but the mentality, "It's not like they did X" or "It's not that big a deal" or "The process isn't fair" are all reasoning that can be pushed into other, more serious offenses.
A player we liked, on a team, we care about, did something stupid and is suffering the consequences for it. It could be much worse, we should be glad it's something like this and also remember that enforcing these lower rules is a good way to avoid bigger issues in the future.
What's interesting is that Sorolla has taken more of a verbal beating in this thread than Honors Student and NCAA Student Leader designate Adekoya accused (per inside source) of handing in work not of his own writing across a number of threads.
Quote from: crusader05 on February 02, 2017, 02:25:32 PMWhile everyone has opinions about the drinking laws and their enforcement it's good to remember that Jaume would not be getting in trouble because he had alcohol, he would be getting in trouble because he was arrested.
Ehhhh- Maybe.
Bigger picture, these team training rules exist for a reason. Any of you ever try to compete in basketball with either a slight or a severe hangover? Trust me it is not easy. Ok- I was never caught but had I been I would have been gone and that would have cost my HS teammates a memorable post season run because we were already shorthanded. As it was I only cost the team one unnecessary loss.
Long story short--he needs to sit out what Matt deems to be appropriate. As I and others have said, our only path to the dance requires a championship at JLA. I am still thinking that Jubril returning could make us one of the best 13 seeds in history!
Quote from: VU2624 on February 02, 2017, 02:26:19 PM
What's interesting is that Sorolla has taken more of a verbal beating in this thread than Honors Student and NCAA Student Leader designate Adekoya accused (per inside source) of handing in work not of his own writing across a number of threads.
Apples and oranges. The attitude toward Jubril has changed dramatically over time. The overwhelming sentiment initially was disappointment and criticism. Only after disciplinary action has continued unabated from 1 game to 5, from 5 games to 10, and now 10 to what will soon be 15 (with no end in sight), has Jubril become a sympathetic figure. We are all blessed with an innate sense of fairness, which for many of us has exceeded its limit.
Quote from: wh on February 02, 2017, 03:47:02 PMQuote from: VU2624 on February 02, 2017, 02:26:19 PMWhat's interesting is that Sorolla has taken more of a verbal beating in this thread than Honors Student and NCAA Student Leader designate Adekoya accused (per inside source) of handing in work not of his own writing across a number of threads.
Apples and oranges. The attitude toward Jubril has changed dramatically over time. The overwhelming sentiment initially was disappointment and criticism.
What happened was confusion as to what happened in the game threads with some fingerpointing at the HC and the NCAA to a thread dedicated to the situation with nearly 100% dedication to fingerpointing at everyone but Jubril. There were later and occasional comments about who the real culprit is but not the type of post put up by Crusader78 and a few others in this thread regarding Sorolla. That's not a criticism of what they did post just pointing out the difference in reaction to the two situations which I find a little strange.
Quote from: crusader05 on February 02, 2017, 02:25:32 PM
While everyone has opinions about the drinking laws and their enforcement it's good to remember that Jaume would not be getting in trouble because he had alcohol, he would be getting in trouble because he was arrested.
You can dislike the arrest or whatnot but drinking in season is often a large no-no for this exact reason. A two-game suspension isn't much and it might have consequences for the team but if it didn't it wouldn't be nearly as an effective deterrent if it didn't.
I also think it's good to reflect on how willing we are to bend the rules for our team, or to decry something as unfair and how that reflects on how we see athletes get away with even worse stuff. It's not equal, but the mentality, "It's not like they did X" or "It's not that big a deal" or "The process isn't fair" are all reasoning that can be pushed into other, more serious offenses.
A player we liked, on a team, we care about, did something stupid and is suffering the consequences for it. It could be much worse, we should be glad it's something like this and also remember that enforcing these lower rules is a good way to avoid bigger issues in the future.
But whose rule is it? 2 games is absurd for something so minor. Is there no distinction between being arrested for Valpo having some of the most bored cops in America vs being arrested for something that actually puts anyone in danger?
So Jay is playing? ???
I just tune in for the last 5 min of the 1st half. So I guess Coach is going to suspend him for a different couple games, possibly?
Some really early shot clock possessions on offense. Need to move off the ball, posting up Alec is difficult with a two man shade.
Good defense with a few mental lapses.
Cant remember the last time we didn't make the Bonus in a half with Alec on the team.
ESPN3 announcer suggested we go 2-for-1 with 38 seconds left... that'd be a little late wouldn't it? Go the length of the court to put up a decent shot would take 5 seconds at least, and UWM would milk the shotclock on their end, we'd have to go the length of the court again with less than 10 seconds left. Instead, we miss our shot out of the TO and give them 25 seconds to work with.
Joseph and Bradford have had nice drives/shots, and played well except for Bradford fouling a 3 point shooter. Sorolla is in fact playing. Peters has had better halves but we've been bailed out by the rims being unkind to UWM.
We mocked it in another thread, but the UWM student section is as big as I can remember it for a Valpo game. Usually, they only come out for games against Green Bay or Madison.
Quote from: VU2014 on February 02, 2017, 07:46:56 PMSo Jay is playing? ??? I just tune in for the last 5 min of the 1st half. So I guess Coach is going to suspend him for a different couple games, possibly?
He checked into the game fairly early, so he is playing. I don't believe there have been any official announcements about a suspension (where have we heard that before?). We only know of the infraction from the newspaper and are guessing a two game suspension based on similar offenses a few years ago.
Reporting from row 2. IMO, the guys look really lethargic. On the court and off. Low energy, worn out seeming.
Quote from: rink on February 02, 2017, 07:57:46 PM
Reporting from row 2. IMO, the guys look really lethargic. On the court and off. Low energy, worn out seeming.
Well put. How is the VU contingent? Good showing from fans?
Good effort and energy coming out of the 2nd half
From sec 322, i really miss having Vashil protect everything in the paint.
Pep band has about 25 and a adult conductor. Good student turn out
Tevon just was immense under the basket
Quote from: VULB#62 on February 02, 2017, 08:07:43 PM
From sec 322, i really miss having Vashil protect everything in the paint.
Pep band has about 25 and a adult conductor. Good student turn out
Tevon just was immense under the basket
Wish I was there. Enjoy!
QuoteFrom sec 322, i really miss having Vashil protect everything in the paint.
I miss Vashil's rim protection too. Vashil had that freakish wing span that really forced players attacking the rim to have to alter their shot.
From the freshman big guys so far what I've seen is they sort just hold their ground and stand straight up with their arms because their afraid of getting called for the foul. Which is a bit understandable because freshman big men 8 out 10 times will get call for the foul by the ref in those situations but sometimes. They've both had some good moments so far, especially offensively.
I just can't wait till both add on some muscle and learn position their bodies better defensively and also learning to more consistently box out for rebounds. Also as they get more experienced they will both get the benefit of the whistle from the refs.
Bradford played his best game all year, and as a result, we saw very little of Williams.
I think Milwaukee really plays as Wichmann does. He can be a matchup problem when he hits his shots, but he was off for most of tonight.
HUGE matchup at the Wretch Saturday. Phoenix narrowly held off UIC this evening.
Was torn on the J thing. Read this. Now i say, if some copied papers and a little beer is the worst we've got.....drink up!
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18609289/lagerald-vick-josh-jackson-kansas-jayhawks-eyed-vandalism-case
I thought we played well, when you win by 18, shoot 47% from 3 and don't exceed the team goal of 12 or less turnovers, what else can you say!
A couple of thoughts: First, Bradford REALLY looks like he figured it out and as a result Lexus' minutes are going down and maybe way down. Second, we will miss J a bunch when he has to sit. Again last night he was significantly better than Derrick who has now scored 2 or less in the last four games coupled with 1 rebound or less over that time period. That is the definition of soft--really soft. J, on the other hand is averaging 8 and 4 over the same time period.
Quote from: vu72 on February 03, 2017, 09:03:43 AM
I thought we played well, when you win by 18, shoot 47% from 3 and don't exceed the team goal of 12 or less turnovers, what else can you say!
A couple of thoughts: First, Bradford REALLY looks like he figured it out and as a result Lexus' minutes are going down and maybe way down. Second, we will miss J a bunch when he has to sit. Again last night he was significantly better than Derrick who has now scored 2 or less in the last four games coupled with 1 rebound or less over that time period. That is the definition of soft--really soft. J, on the other hand is averaging 8 and 4 over the same time period.
I only watch part of the game, but Kudos to Lottich for sticking with Bradford all year. This will hopefully pay off come conference tournament time.
Here are the UWM-Edited Highlights...
http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/#.WJShOFMrJEY
Quote from: vu72 on February 03, 2017, 09:03:43 AM
I thought we played well, when you win by 18, shoot 47% from 3 and don't exceed the team goal of 12 or less turnovers, what else can you say!
A couple of thoughts: First, Bradford REALLY looks like he figured it out and as a result Lexus' minutes are going down and maybe way down. Second, we will miss J a bunch when he has to sit. Again last night he was significantly better than Derrick who has now scored 2 or less in the last four games coupled with 1 rebound or less over that time period. That is the definition of soft--really soft. J, on the other hand is averaging 8 and 4 over the same time period.
Quote from: VU2014 on February 02, 2017, 08:24:01 PM
QuoteFrom sec 322, i really miss having Vashil protect everything in the paint.
I miss Vashil's rim protection too. Vashil had that freakish wing span that really forced players attacking the rim to have to alter their shot.
From the freshman big guys so far what I've seen is they sort just hold their ground and stand straight up with their arms because their afraid of getting called for the foul. Which is a bit understandable because freshman big men 8 out 10 times will get call for the foul by the ref in those situations but sometimes. They've both had some good moments so far, especially offensively.
I just can't wait till both add on some muscle and learn position their bodies better defensively and also learning to more consistently box out for rebounds. Also as they get more experienced they will both get the benefit of the whistle from the refs.
Don't get me wrong _ see some real potential in these kids. But, yes, they are freshmen, and, yes, there is much room (and time) for improvement; however, being in the arena and focusing on both of them for extended periods of time last night, I noted that Jay is the more aggressive on both ends, and Derrik, at times looked lost or reacted much too slowly to obviously developing (to me at least) patterns coming at him. For both, I wondered why, when smaller players drove to the hoop why they stayed flat-footed with arms straight up. At times even
that got called a foul. Hey, if you are going to be called for a foul anyway, why not work on being a rim protector? Near the basket, leap and swat at the ball as the driver goes by -- force shot changes, make things difficult inside of 8 feet. Last night at times, 6-2, 6-3 guards were just putting up layups inside despite a 7-2 guy standing there with his arms up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNsN4OC9OKY
Some high praise and a lot of respect from coach Jordan. Jordan is a good coach and he's going to build that program up again. I thought the Horizon League teams have made some really good coaching hires in Linc Darner (GB), LaVall Jordan (UWM) and Bacari Alexander (Detroit) the last few years. And McClain can recruit so there is that. And of course Coach Lottich seems to be a very good hire stepping in for Bryce.
On the bright side, Derrick did exhibit a nice touch with that shot from 12'. He and J are showing more offensive skills than Vashil ever did.
I was going to make a comment that our bigs have some wiggle room in their offensive improvement...but I won't.
Quote from: a3uge on February 03, 2017, 09:09:24 AM
Quote from: vu72 on February 03, 2017, 09:03:43 AM
I thought we played well, when you win by 18, shoot 47% from 3 and don't exceed the team goal of 12 or less turnovers, what else can you say!
A couple of thoughts: First, Bradford REALLY looks like he figured it out and as a result Lexus' minutes are going down and maybe way down. Second, we will miss J a bunch when he has to sit. Again last night he was significantly better than Derrick who has now scored 2 or less in the last four games coupled with 1 rebound or less over that time period. That is the definition of soft--really soft. J, on the other hand is averaging 8 and 4 over the same time period.
I only watch part of the game, but Kudos to Lottich for sticking with Bradford all year. This will hopefully pay off come conference tournament time.
I was also at the game last night. Kudos to my friend, who is a Milwaukee professor, for buying us center court seats six rows off the floor.
Without repeating some of the other comments, here are a few of my own:
-Talked with chef before the game. Always a class act that represents Valpo very well.
-I agree that J is ahead of Smits. A few posters have criticized the internal defense, but I see real progress in J. There were several cases where a Milwaukee guard drove with their man on them and J adjusted behind the defending guard to prevent a shot. This is what Vashil learned to do really well.
-Bradford is getting better, but is still a work in progress. He shot well, but made several bad decisions in the first half. In the second half, he seemed generally more solid with the ball - but struggled when Milwaukee pressed with about 6 minutes left. I couldn't figure out why Milwaukee didn't try pressing earlier - though Valpo did adjust nicely after about three poor possessions.
-Peters coming off of a screen to hit a deep three is beautiful.
-Milwaukee had a good environment given that they are a developing program. They had a lot of students, though this was partly because of free transportation and free food.
-Milwaukee had a promotion that I have never seen. If, in the second half, an opposing player misses both free throws when he has two attempts, everyone gets something (I think it was Chick Filet). This lead to some pretty funny moments in the last several minutes with Peters, Bradford and J shooting free throws (neither missed both). I think that Bradford and J got a real kick out of it.
-Milwaukee's student section, at one point, started an F___ Valpo chant. I have seen this "F____ ____" chant at a few other schools recently too. There is nothing creative or original about this...it is just rude and doesn't make your school or student section look very good.
Quote from: vu84v2 on February 03, 2017, 11:41:25 AMMilwaukee had a promotion that I have never seen. If, in the second half, an opposing player misses both free throws when he has two attempts, everyone gets something (I think it was Chick Filet). This lead to some pretty funny moments in the last several minutes with Peters, Bradford and J shooting free throws (neither missed both). I think that Bradford and J got a real kick out of it.
At Rupp they put that announcement on the video board as the player steps to the line (no announcement other than that)... at Rupp, its a free taco at taco bell ... of course, with 24,000 people there, that's a nice incentive!
Quote from: vu84v2 on February 03, 2017, 11:41:25 AM-Milwaukee had a promotion that I have never seen. If, in the second half, an opposing player misses both free throws when he has two attempts, everyone gets something (I think it was Chick Filet). This lead to some pretty funny moments in the last several minutes with Peters, Bradford and J shooting free throws (neither missed both). I think that Bradford and J got a real kick out of it.
What was truly amusing is that after Alec, Micah and J all made their second free throws the Valpo fan section signaled to the Milwaukee student section with a crossing of the arms and yelled "No Chicken!" It was a huge tease that 3 Valpo players gave the Milwaukee fans a chance at free Chick-Fil-A but all 3 crushed their hopes.