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Note time change to 2 PM.  First chance to separate ourselves from the logjam with 2 losses.  I expect this game to be intense.

Valpo    77
Oakland 63

Valpo by 6.79, 80.10    Oakland 73.31!!

(Sagarins!!)  Valpo now ranked 68th versus Oakland's 154.

Just wanted to provide some clarification on Sunday's broadcast, given that there was some confusion with last Saturday's game.  Sunday's game, like the UIC game Saturday, will be an American Sports Network broadcast, available in the Chicago area on Comcast SportsNet Chicago Plus.  Many regional sports networks nationwide will be carrying it as well - a full list is attached as a PDF to the story I just posted on the Valpo Athletics website.  Also, the web streaming should be available to all as well.

Quote from: aleavitt on February 06, 2015, 12:22:39 PM
Just wanted to provide some clarification on Sunday's broadcast, given that there was some confusion with last Saturday's game.  Sunday's game, like the UIC game Saturday, will be an American Sports Network broadcast, available in the Chicago area on Comcast SportsNet Chicago Plus.  Many regional sports networks nationwide will be carrying it as well - a full list is attached as a PDF to the story I just posted on the Valpo Athletics website.  Also, the web streaming should be available to all as well.

I could not get the web streaming to work last weekend.  Was it available then as well? 

Quote from: covufan on February 06, 2015, 12:38:43 PM

Quote from: aleavitt on February 06, 2015, 12:22:39 PM
Just wanted to provide some clarification on Sunday's broadcast, given that there was some confusion with last Saturday's game.  Sunday's game, like the UIC game Saturday, will be an American Sports Network broadcast, available in the Chicago area on Comcast SportsNet Chicago Plus.  Many regional sports networks nationwide will be carrying it as well - a full list is attached as a PDF to the story I just posted on the Valpo Athletics website.  Also, the web streaming should be available to all as well.

I could not get the web streaming to work last weekend.  Was it available then as well?

I believe they cleared it up on Monday. There were Wright State and Green Bay fans on Twitter grousing about it until about half time when it seemed everyone had the game.

We get ASN here in St. Louis on Charter (it identifies on the screen as KDNL 30.2).  It's been fine for me, so that I haven't had to use the webstream.

Hard Game if Valpo controls  Felder and keeps him off the stripe, forces them to shoot from outside and keeps their center from rebounding we should enjoy the game. Tight Tight!!! then being on  Wisconsin.  Were the gov wants to eliminate seeking the truth as a goal for the university, he always had had a tough time with that or is it telling the truth. ;D
VU 77 OU 71

Quote from: aleavitt on February 06, 2015, 12:22:39 PM
Just wanted to provide some clarification on Sunday's broadcast, given that there was some confusion with last Saturday's game.  Sunday's game, like the UIC game Saturday, will be an American Sports Network broadcast, available in the Chicago area on Comcast SportsNet Chicago Plus.  Many regional sports networks nationwide will be carrying it as well - a full list is attached as a PDF to the story I just posted on the Valpo Athletics website.  Also, the web streaming should be available to all as well.

Thanks, aaron.

For those in Indy I discovered the game is on WRTV 6.2. One of the ABC station's alternate channels. I flip it over to the system that substituted for rabbit ears about 10 years back. That system has come in handy a few times but I don't know how to get it to the dvr.

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Out inside defense is slightly better than UIC's so I don't think he'll go off for 34 and 13 (6 oreb what?). Last game we held him to the 2nd worst oRtg of the conference season and his worst shooting performance of the year. He's gotten "fat" off UIC and YSU, I think it's time to give him a Vashil diet.

Also I predict that Felder won't shoot 24 FTs this game. Just a hunch but if Felder has 24 total shots (2s+3s+FTs) he doesn't hit 17 of them.

Should be a great game and I would predict it comes down to the final possessions. Hopefully Valpo hits FTs down the stretch.

Was this game listed as ESPN3 until quite recently? 

ESPN3's bar was pretty low last time out, hopefully these American Sports Net guys can at least clear that...

(Hedging my bets, I might go in person for the first hour, but can't stay for the whole thing... I'm still sore about waiting days for the archive to appear for the UIC game.  Before realizing it was never going to happen.)

Vegas had us favored in the last match and we lost in OT.  I'm sure we will be favored in this one too.  Oakland always plays us tight.  This might come down to the last couple possessions.  I'm interested to see what Alec does.  Last time Oakland had an athlete on Alec and he disappeared.  Last game Keith played well against Oakland and obviously he's not suiting up Sunday.  This is scary because there's no room for error in the standings. 

I say we come out and shove Kampe's strategy from the first meeting right back in his face. They went at Alec multiple times in the beginning of the game to attempt to get him in foul trouble. I'd love to see us take whoever Felder is guarding and post them up continually. It would be a mismatch no matter who he is guarding.

Well I convinced my parents to come out to the game from St. John today. The only time my Dad went to a game they won (@UIC last week). The only time my Mom went to a game they also won (it was a Tuesday in March against Wright St. something about a significant game...)

With both of them in the stands there's no way we lose now right?

There are only 132 lower "bowl" tickets left right now and the first 13 rows of section CC are sold out. AA, BB and DD have 3 rows from each sold. Should be a 4000+ crowd on Sunday if the weather holds out. Looks like 40s and rain in the morning and at night. No reason that should keep you inside if you live within 90 minutes of the ARC.

Valpo by 7.....78-71

Someone mentioned earlier that we are favored by 7...that is nice, but--

Oakland could start Potsie and Ralph from Happy Days and it would STILL be a 2-point game with a minute to play.  Just about every single game with them is close.

Paul

Thought you might be interested in our coaches view of the game. I think he mentions Postie will guard Peters. Interesting that no Valpoites have come over to our board like before last game with scheduling questions or bets on Valpo finishing ahead of us in the standings

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIjdyZqXuv0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIjdyZqXuv0)

Corey Petros career against Valpo: 5 games, 16-of-50 from the floor, 12-of-50 shots blocked, 11-of-23 free throws.

4 wins 1 lose

Quote from: vusupporter on February 06, 2015, 11:15:17 PM
Corey Petros career against Valpo: 5 games, 16-of-50 from the floor, 12-of-50 shots blocked, 11-of-23 free throws.

Thank you, this is what I have been saying all along.  I don't watch Oakland play other games, and all he has done is blow chunks on the court against Valpo.  I don't care about Oakland's record versus Valpo in those games, I am only talking about how Petros looks against Valpo, that is my sample size.  This will be his last chance to change my opinion, as even though he ends up with large rebound stats, he looks anemic on offense against Valpo, like a little Lost Boy scared to go at the basket.  So, Mister RA pgmado, let's see if he proves me wrong based on what I have SEEN of him, in games I care about (Oakland vs, Valpo, not Oakland versus the rest of the HL).

Valpo 79
Oakland 66

Quote from: Grizz on February 06, 2015, 10:24:10 PM

Thought you might be interested in our coaches view of the game. I think he mentions Postie will guard Peters. Interesting that no Valpoites have come over to our board like before last game with scheduling questions or bets on Valpo finishing ahead of us in the standings

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIjdyZqXuv0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIjdyZqXuv0)

Man, get over yourself. You seem incapable of making a post on our board without being inflammatory and childish. If Oakland wins the horizon, they'll be a 15 or 16 seed. This is why your scheduling is terrible. Do you have a winning record yet? Nobody has changed their mind on this.

Oakland is a well-coached team and has been playing well.  In my view, this is a tougher game than many Valpo fans might be expecting.  Valpo will need solid performances against Green Bay and Oakland to setup a chance to win the regular season.

Valpo 76 Oakland 72

We'll just have to wait another day to see how well Petri does, or is it Pathos, or, maybe...Pernicious??  Better ask Coach Kampe.

Tickets moving well. Now 125 left in the lower "bowl".

Just a few rows sold in the upper level?   One of the better rivals in the Horizon and tied at the top.     I will never understand. 

Valpo doesn't pack em in. Few good crowds here and there, but most of the time the upper decks is less than half full

Quote from: 78crusader on February 06, 2015, 10:15:51 PMOakland could start Potsie and Ralph from Happy Days and it would STILL be a 2-point game with a minute to play.  Just about every single game with them is close.

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I couldn't believe Coach Kampe wanted us for the Valpo game. He said there is nobody he wanted more and it didn't matter what crimes we had committed. Oakland was going to enroll us because it's a public school--athletes may have high grades--he can't help that--but anyone can enroll! It's amazing! Even Fonzie could play--even though he is still selling criminally low valued reverse mortgages.

This is not a slam at this year's team, just a gut feeling I have personally that I can't shake.  Despite some tremendous efforts this season, the youth of this squad and their inconsistencies, despite winning 21 games already,  have got me thinking that the last time I had a sustained level of confidence that our team could/would win each game as they came along was with Rowdy and KVW.  This team will get there, in my mind, next year, but in the meantime, the remainder of the season for me will be a roller coaster ride during each game and even between games.  In a way, it's fun not knowing for sure that a game is a lock before the tip-off, but I think I prefer the predictability of a veteran team like the 2012/13 team.  Saying that, I am in agreement with those of you who see the game coming down to the final possessions and, hopefully the Crusaders pull it out.

.......and we still have 2+ seasons of watching Alec play    ;D.

Quote from: VULB#62 on February 07, 2015, 10:27:59 AM
This is not a slam at this year's team, just a gut feeling I have personally that I can't shake.  Despite some tremendous efforts this season, the youth of this squad and their inconsistencies, despite winning 21 games already,  have got me thinking that the last time I had a sustained level of confidence that our team could/would win each game as they came along was with Rowdy and KVW.  This team will get there, in my mind, next year, but in the meantime, the remainder of the season for me will be a roller coaster ride during each game and even between games.  In a way, it's fun not knowing for sure that a game is a lock before the tip-off, but I think I prefer the predictability of a veteran team like the 2012/13 team.  Saying that, I am in agreement with those of you who see the game coming down to the final possessions and, hopefully the Crusaders pull it out.

.......and we still have 2+ seasons of watching Alec play    ;D.

Not sure I agree.  Can't find the 2012-2013 overall stats, but doubt that team had an average margin of victory of close to 12, which is where we are today. Also doubt we had the rebounding margin this team has. We are out rebounding our opponents by close to 9, way better than anyone else in the conference. We also didn't have a shot blocker as we do this year.That team had the benefit of starting 5 seniors and didn't have any health issues that I can recall. Today's team is more athletic and doesn't rely on one guy (Rowdy) for all the scoring.  Alec had what? 11 points in our last victory? When healthy, (next year) this group could be the best team we have ever had.

Quote from: VULB#62 on February 07, 2015, 10:27:59 AM.......and we still have 2+ seasons of watching Alec play   ;D

I would like to revise this to say.......and we still have 2+ seasons of watching Alec and Tevonn play together  ;D

With the emergence of the Walkers of late, Oakland won't be able to key in on Peters. I haven't seen much of Oakland since they beat us, but I'm not sure how they are going to guard all these guys who are playing well on the offensive end of late. 

I liked whoever posted earlier about taking Felder down to the post a few times early. I'm not sure who he is going to be able to guard down there.  I'd almost think they might go to a zone/zone trap.

Valpo has improved lots since the last meeting. I'm excited to spend my Sunday afternoon at the ARC!

Quote from: FWalum on February 07, 2015, 11:55:03 AM

Quote from: VULB#62 on February 07, 2015, 10:27:59 AM.......and we still have 2+ seasons of watching Alec play   ;D

I would like to revise this to say.......and we still have 2+ seasons of watching Alec and Tevonn play together  ;D

Quote from: vu72 on February 07, 2015, 11:43:29 AM

Not sure I agree.  Can't find the 2012-2013 overall stats, but doubt that team had an average margin of victory of close to 12, which is where we are today. Also doubt we had the rebounding margin this team has. We are out rebounding our opponents by close to 9, way better than anyone else in the conference. We also didn't have a shot blocker as we do this year.That team had the benefit of starting 5 seniors and didn't have any health issues that I can recall. Today's team is more athletic and doesn't rely on one guy (Rowdy) for all the scoring.  Alec had what? 11 points in our last victory? When healthy, (next year) this group could be the best team we have ever had.

Agree with both you guys.  And FWalum I'd add Smits to that too within that 2 year span.  72, I agree with all the stats you mentioned -- It's just that, personally, I just remember feeling more confident with that senior Rowdy/KVW bunch.  I will say what I love about this squad over any other in my short memory is the commitment to defense.  No doubt as time wears on this crew will be really something special.

Kampe is a master at spinning his team as the poor underdog.  "Valpo is 21-4 or 50-2 or whatever they are."  Refers to his "young" team.  Great strategy - dial down expectations so if you lose you don't look bad and if you win everyone can talk about what a great coach you are.  Of course he never bothers to mention that by choice they threw away 6 possible OOC wins, or that Oakland's "young" team is far more experienced than Valpo's.

Oakland (Yr.,Min.,%)
1   1059    21%   
2     990    20%
3     959    19%
4    1941   39%

Valpo (Yr.,Min.,%)
1    1450    29%
2    1266    25%
3    1589    32%
4      720    14%

OU  60% of minutes and 62% of scoring returning next year
VU  86% of minutes and 90% of scoring returning next year

Not even close...

Just based on the experience difference alone, I'm now not sure if we have any realistic chance of winning this game.  Do you believe in miracles?

This team is very special as many have pointed out. The amazing thing is that next season we'll only be better. We'll have 2 standout PGs, in Lexus and KC, this season we've been without the 2 for some time and have been relying on a pseudo-point guard and Max. The Walker's have gotten stronger each and every game and make teams pay for doubling up on Alec and he'll get more open looks if they keep averaging 15-20 PPG. Not to mention we also get Hammink and Levingston as well next season, as well as Smits who will fill the shoes of Vashil.

The calling card of this team is their defense. They are always pressuring the ball handler and force poor shots. We have given up 70 or more points only twice in conference play. That is something to hang your hats on.

I predict a win tomorrow. 78 to 69.

Quote from: VULB#62 on February 07, 2015, 12:09:54 PMAnd FWalum I'd add Smits to that too within that 2 year span.

I was tempted and almost added Derrik to my post, but decided to stick with just the current team members. This next 2 years will be interesting!

Quote from: wh on February 07, 2015, 12:12:57 PM
Kampe is a master at spinning his team as the poor underdog.  "Valpo is 21-4 or 50-2 or whatever they are."  Refers to his "young" team.  Great strategy - dial down expectations so if you lose you don't look bad and if you win everyone can talk about what a great coach you are.  Of course he never bothers to mention that by choice they threw away 6 possible OOC wins, or that Oakland's "young" team is far more experienced that Valpo's.

Oakland (Yr.,Min.,%)
1   1059    21%   
2     990    20%
3     959    19%
4    1941   39%

Valpo (Yr.,Min.,%)
1    1450    29%
2    1266    25%
3    1589    32%
4      720    14%

OU  60% of minutes and 62% of scoring returning next year
VU  86% of minutes and 90% of scoring returning next year

Not even close...

Just based on the experience difference alone, I'm now not sure if we have any realistic chance of winning this game.  Do you believe in miracles?

Last game against Valpo, he was quoted on his show as saying, "compete? I just hope we don't get blown off the court."  He's way to generous....

Quote from: classof2014 on February 07, 2015, 12:39:57 PM
This team is very special as many have pointed out. The amazing thing is that next season we'll only be better. We'll have 2 standout PGs, in Lexus and KC, this season we've been without the 2 for some time and have been relying on a pseudo-point guard and Max. The Walker's have gotten stronger each and every game and make teams pay for doubling up on Alec and he'll get more open looks if they keep averaging 15-20 PPG. Not to mention we also get Hammink and Levingston as well next season, as well as Smits who will fill the shoes of Vashil.

The calling card of this team is their defense. They are always pressuring the ball handler and force poor shots. We have given up 70 or more points only twice in conference play. That is something to hang your hats on.

I predict a win tomorrow. 78 to 69.

It will be difficult for Smits to 'fill the shoes of Vashil' immediately.  Though he is a solid recruit, we can't be making statements that denigrate what Vashil brings to our team on defense.  Smits is more of an offensive player than defensive player currently, based on other posts people have made.  It changes the dynamic of our team quite a bit, as around 10 shots or more are affected by Vashil every game, whether he blocks it or just changes the trajectory of a shot.

Also, we need to give Max Joseph more credit, as he has improved quite a bit from his first games to this point.  I view it as though we have 3 solid PGs next year, with 2 standouts in Lexus and Keith, and a good third option in Max. 

I can't see Levingston doing anything at Valpo, other than being the next Jim Hooper (who apparently lives in DFW now) or Jason Hawkins in 'garbage time.'  The guy played 5 games at UMKC last season, and is a walk-on.  ANY production we get from him in the next few years, will be unexpected. 

I'll just leave this right here.

http://www.nwitimes.com/blogs/sports/valparaiso-university/ (http://www.nwitimes.com/blogs/sports/valparaiso-university/)

I can see where your coach of the year vote will go (as if I didn't already know).

Quote from: Pgmado on February 07, 2015, 02:41:49 PM
I'll just leave this right here.

http://www.nwitimes.com/blogs/sports/valparaiso-university/ (http://www.nwitimes.com/blogs/sports/valparaiso-university/)

Paul,

Again, it is the sample size of watching him against us.  I don't care what he did against UIC, I don't watch those games.  I watch the games where he looks like a confused child on offense against Valpo :).  I don't have anything at all against Oakland or Kampe, and I don't care about their scheduling.  I am just making an observation on one player who seems to only play well against the rest of the HL, and looks like crap against Valpo every game.

So instead of letting the students and fans enjoy a rivalry you are hoping they sit nicely and cheer for both teams to have fun?  :o

Valpo wins by 13

How many seats are there left overall? I see BB is doing well...

First time post here.  Definately pleased at the thought of multi-20+ winning seasons while Alec and the Walkers do their dance together here at VU.  Wondering what the forum thinks so far about the play of a young Skara --- and what his upside may be 2 to 3 years out?  He doesn't get nearly as much love from the forum, but I think this kid is going to be a real piece to puzzle in the coming few seasons.  Anyone care to venture the typical Skara stat line as a Jr or Sr?

Quote from: FWalum on February 07, 2015, 11:55:03 AM

Quote from: VULB#62 on February 07, 2015, 10:27:59 AM.......and we still have 2+ seasons of watching Alec play   ;D

I would like to revise this to say.......and we still have 2+ seasons of watching Alec and Tevonn and SKARA play together  ;D

Fixed it for you.

The line: Valpo -8

Quote from: vu84v2 on February 07, 2015, 08:29:12 AMOakland is a well-coached team and has been playing well.  In my view, this is a tougher game than many Valpo fans might be expecting.  Valpo will need solid performances against Green Bay and Oakland to setup a chance to win the regular season. Valpo 76 Oakland 72

The difference in fouls called on Crusaders guarding Felder at the ARC alone will account for from 10 to 14 points less for the Grizzlies. Yes, we might lose 4 to 6 points since Carter won't play and 2-4 points since our point guards will have a few more TO's. Maybe Petros isn't quite as bad as he has been recently against Valpo for about 4-6 points. But think how many more points the Walkers can score in a home game (10-12 points). Vashil will probably add 2-4 points to his score.

I'm thinking Valpo wins this game by 10 points.  The real differences will be the Walkers greater scoring and Felder not getting 24 free throws.

Should we do a poll on how many free throws Felder will shoot against Valpo?

Quote from: ValpoRook on February 07, 2015, 08:55:52 PM
First time post here.  Definately pleased at the thought of multi-20+ winning seasons while Alec and the Walkers do their dance together here at VU.  Wondering what the forum thinks so far about the play of a young Skara --- and what his upside may be 2 to 3 years out?  He doesn't get nearly as much love from the forum, but I think this kid is going to be a real piece to puzzle in the coming few seasons.  Anyone care to venture the typical Skara stat line as a Jr or Sr?

I don't know if you were at the game the other night, but in case you weren't take at look at an amazing play he made beginning at the 1:30 mark of this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M14gGQzylu0#t=110 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M14gGQzylu0#t=110)

This is a 6-8 freshman who intercepts a pass, leads the break the other way like a guard, shows a great basketball I.Q. in heading to the middle from the side court, and hits Darien Walker streaking in from his left with a beautiful lead dribble pass at just the right moment for an easy layup.  That was a good play for an experienced guard.  It was a great play for a 6-8 freshman forward.  He's getting great experience this year.  He's with great players and an excellent coaching staff.  Bryce has spoken very positively about him on numerous occasions.  I have a feeling he's going to hit the ground running next year and have a great sophomore season.  If that happens, Valpo will be oozing with talent all over the court.   

Quote from: Pgmado on February 07, 2015, 02:41:49 PM
I'll just leave this right here.

http://www.nwitimes.com/blogs/sports/valparaiso-university/ (http://www.nwitimes.com/blogs/sports/valparaiso-university/)

I didn't believe him when he said it took Valpo five years to win the Horizon.  Somehow recent success has colored my memory!  I guess there were a couple of Butler national championship games that had to happen there first... But, as soon as they were out of the way... (OK, it's not like we were runner-ups while they were still around.  Just beating _them_, not everyone else in the league...)

Very nice piece.

For those of us in central Indiana, this game will be on MyIndy TV 23.

Quote from: Valpofan00 on February 07, 2015, 06:32:58 PM
How many seats are there left overall? I see BB is doing well...

I just counted 90 seats left in the combined lower level.  There are 2000 seats in the lower level and 500 seats fro students.  So, if 500 kids come that gets the attendance to 2500 with zero folks upstairs.  The upstairs seats total 3000. All the walk-ups will be seated upstairs and there are several seats sold already.  If the weather is good (current forecast calls for 40 and a few showers starting mostly after the game is underway), I'd say 4000-4500 is clearly in reach.

Don't forget upstairs is where all faculty and staff and their family/guests sit. Should be a loud rocking crowd if the students show up!

I keep forgetting Skara is only a freshman who will get better and stronger. David has looked more comfortable and moved smoothly with the ball in recent games, which is why I took the photo below. I look forward to his contributions next year as well, especially since he seems to be a player who absorbs information through experience and will develop with time on the court. Like almost all the players on this team, next year they will have had the advantage of playing beside one another, and there will be even more cohesiveness as time goes on. The talent on this team among just our freshmen and sophomores is impressive.


While we wait for the Oakland game, I have posted at the following link a gallery of photos from the Detroit game for all to enjoy: https://www.flickr.com/photos/96208998@N05/sets/72157650672879785/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/96208998@N05/sets/72157650672879785/)


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Quote from: IndyValpo on February 08, 2015, 05:42:07 AM
For those of us in central Indiana, this game will be on MyIndy TV 23.

Thanks so much! That's much better than 6.2.

Quote from: vu72 on February 08, 2015, 08:31:07 AM

Quote from: Valpofan00 on February 07, 2015, 06:32:58 PM
How many seats are there left overall? I see BB is doing well...

I just counted 90 seats left in the combined lower level.  There are 2000 seats in the lower level and 500 seats fro students.  So, if 500 kids come that gets the attendance to 2500 with zero folks upstairs.  The upstairs seats total 3000. All the walk-ups will be seated upstairs and there are several seats sold already.  If the weather is good (current forecast calls for 40 and a few showers starting mostly after the game is underway), I'd say 4000-4500 is clearly in reach.

Don't count on 500 students for a tipoff at hangover-o-clock. Hope I'm wrong though.

Valpo is to Oakland as Butler is to Valpo.  One of the big reasons Valpo was able to go on a streak against Butler those last few years is because we brought a lot of energy and emotion to the series.  That is the way Oakland is with Valpo.  Kampe puts an exclamation mark next to this game early in the season and his players are ready. Five minutes in to the last game it was, what, 18-3 in favor of Oakland?  We need to match their emotion early in the game. 

I agree with Paul about Kampe, I do think that this board is a little hard on him.  He is one of the best coaches in the league.  he has a lot of experience, he obviously cares about his players, and he wins close games (well, against Valpo, anyway).  However, I think that is alright to be hard on him and his team, because this is a fan message board and this is a rivalry.  I think the Oakland message board needs to start seeing this as a compliment that this series is meaningful and emotional.  A little ill-will between teams/fans makes things more fun and exciting!     

Quote from: bbtds on February 08, 2015, 09:46:38 AM

Quote from: IndyValpo on February 08, 2015, 05:42:07 AM
For those of us in central Indiana, this game will be on MyIndy TV 23.

Thanks so much! That's much better than 6.2.

Awesome.

Man, of all of the different networks around the nation, and the American Sports Network only has 1 partnership in the huge @$$ state of Texas, yet 5-6 in Montana?  That, and it is only some station that does Waco/Temple/Bryan?  That sucks!  Hopefully it will actually work online today!

Probably can't get passed the clutches of the Longhorn Network in Texas, plus, doesn't Jerry Jones own Dallas anyway? Probably tough to get any kind of sales pitch in Dallas networks around UT and JJ.

Perhaps it's the cloudy skies, but I don't feel good about today's game.  Not ready to predict a score, but hope for a W by any margin.  I'm particularly worried about stopping both Felder and Petros, something we couldn't do last time.

As for attendance, I'll be shocked if we get 4,000 -- and the game merits more than that.  Also, the student section won't seat 500 when the Pep Band takes a fourth of the section -- and merits it!

Quote from: sliman on February 08, 2015, 12:43:57 PM
Perhaps it's the cloudy skies, but I don't feel good about today's game.  Not ready to predict a score, but hope for a W by any margin.  I'm particularly worried about stopping both Felder and Petros, something we couldn't do last time.

As for attendance, I'll be shocked if we get 4,000 -- and the game merits more than that.  Also, the student section won't seat 500 when the Pep Band takes a fourth of the section -- and merits it!

We'll for sure get 4,000

Hate to jinx it, but the 'Watch Live' link appears to actually bring up a feed this time...so far, so good

Where are the students

"...here in Northeast Indiana"

Uh, correct state, I guess?

Game is being televized in glorious HD on channel My 24 in Milwaukee. Pleasant surprise.

Anybody else having problems with the audio?  Coming in with a bad echo. Picture is fine.

A couple failed fast break chances already in the first 4 minutes. Ugly stuff. Why does this team always look like the sloppiest team in the NCAA whenever I watch?

K. Fielder first free throw at 13:20 was the biggest flop!!!!!

Quote from: a3uge on February 08, 2015, 02:08:30 PM
"...here in Northeast Indiana"

Uh, correct state, I guess?

The first time, I figured slip of the tongue.  Then he said it again 10 minutes later.  Terrible.

We'd be better off with him saying Northeast Illinois.

Bad turnover by Peters led to a real foul sending K.Felder to the line for his 3rd and 4th free throws.  Play before that, K. Felder took it to the rim and Kempe yelling, "that's a foul!" for the past couple minutes. 

Not a very clean half after that start. Better come out with some intensity. Getting swept by Oakland would be embarrassing as hell.

I liked our 10-11 point lead we had earlier but will settle with 6 halftime. 

After my gripe about the miscues in the first 4 minutes, I thought it was pretty good basketball for the rest of the half.  We look like the better team.  Feels like we should have been up by 10 all half, even when the lead was half that.  Not very comfortable with the 6 point lead, hopefully we can finish this out.

Surprised to only be up 6 at the half.  Shot 59% and 50% from three, didn't turn the ball over (though could rebound better). Bryce switching to zone didn't really work well, but you have to give credit to Daniels for hitting the shots.  Nickerson and Skara playing very well.  Darien's aggressiveness is generally great, but he forced a few too many shots in the half. Not too worried about Peters only having 2, since he has being constantly double-teamed and, for the most part, Valpo is moving the ball and getting it to the open man who then hits the shot.

The reason were not up by double figures is all about the unexpected contribution of Daniels. His 3-3's and 2 FT's are what is keeping them in the game. Hopefully, he comes back down to earth. He was the x-factor in game-1 as well.

What kinda effort is this out of the timeout? We realize this team beat us already, right? Show some pride!

Can't win a basketball game playing with 0 heart, intensity, or defense. Gutless effort here at home in a revenge spot.

This is the worst defense I've ever seen at the D1 level.

Peters getting eatin' alive in the post. 

Welp, since our pathetic defense stops Oakland 0% of the time, all we have to do is score every possession the rest of the way and get the last shot to win. Great. This is pathetic. Gutless.

They look stronger than us in the post. 

I'm just embarrassed I thought this team was good. Swept by Oakland it looks like.

Quote from: kerrywoodwins20 on February 08, 2015, 03:28:29 PM
I'm just embarrassed I thought this team was good. Swept by Oakland it looks like.

Would you calm down?

I wouldn't go that far....but our defense is bad today.  We allow 60 point per game.  Oakland is already there with 10 minutes left. 

Quote from: oklahomamick on February 08, 2015, 03:34:46 PMI wouldn't go that far....but our defense is bad today.  We allow 60 point per game.  Oakland is already there with 10 minutes left.

Quote from: oklahomamick on February 08, 2015, 03:34:46 PMI wouldn't go that far....but our defense is bad today.  We allow 60 point per game.  Oakland is already there with 10 minutes left.

Oakland is one of the worst road teams in the nation. Look at their road slate. This is embarrassing.

Quote from: oklahomamick on February 08, 2015, 03:34:46 PM[size=78%] I wouldn't go that far....but our defense is bad today.  We allow 60 point per game.  Oakland is already there with 10 minutes left. [/size]

These posts are obnoxious and annoying.  I agree that these people need to calm down (or maybe go to a quiet room and have a timeout).  While Valpo's defense has been outschemed by Oakland's offense, any reasonable person would see Valpo is playing with plenty of effort and heart.

Is this an Oakland fan?

Turnover. Foul. Turnover. Foul. No defense. Turnover. Foul. Great  :censored: effort, guys. 3-9 road team you're getting pushed around by.

Quote from: vu84v2 on February 08, 2015, 03:37:40 PMThese posts are obnoxious and annoying.  I agree that these people need to calm down (or maybe go to a quiet room and have a timeout).  While Valpo's defense has been outschemed by Oakland's offense, any reasonable person would see Valpo is playing with plenty of effort and heart.

You think that teams that play with heart and pride get swept by Oakland? Look at the best team that Oakland has won a road game against. seriously. Look it up. Their only road wins are against teams ranked 200th, 300th, and 330th. Oakland is horrific.

Great work. Chuck a terrible 3 and brick it out of a timeout.  :thumbsup:

I'm watching two heavyweights slug it out. Not sure what the issue is...

Out of a timeout, here are the 3 possessions we come out with.

Quick badly forced 3
Quick badly forced jumper
Turnover

This team is gutless and poorly coached.

The issue is you're biased. A 3-9 road team is a heavyweight? Where's the pride not to get swept by a lowly mediocre team like Oakland?

Quote from: mj on February 08, 2015, 03:46:51 PMI'm watching two heavyweights slug it out. Not sure what the issue is...

Dude, Oakland is good.  Accept it.  And they will only get better, very young team.  Good chance they will have the last two Freshman Player of the Years. 

kerrywoodwins20 is Grizz trolling.

Lol, I think our collective internal monologues have become self aware and are now posting on the board.

kerrywoodwins20 thankfully just blew out his elbow trolling.

big win.  gosh it feels good to beat these whiny punks.

Oakland will have to wait to get above .500. Good win!

First 7 minutes of the game, I thought this was going to be easy.  They made us earn it. 

It was exactly what I expected.  Glad we held serve!  I'll tell you what, no one wants to play OU or Valpo in the next few years. 

Very good win.  Cleary Oakland has players developing and Kampe is a very good game coach.  Though redundant with my previous comments, Bryce has done a tremendous job without Carter (and Williams). In fact, you could argue he successly took a problem and used it as a strength today with Nickerson dominating anyone who defended him. After this great string, I am actually concerned about Valpo adapting to having Carter back...but Valpo certainly needs Carter to reach this team's lofty goals for this season.

You knew something was going to have to give:  they couldn't keep shooting 50% from 3 or  we couldn't keep shooting well over 50% period.

They choked down the stretch, and we didn't.  Though I wonder how much of that was due to the fact that they are as deep as an episode of The View.

Quote from: kerrywoodwins20 on February 08, 2015, 03:49:12 PM
The issue is you're biased. A 3-9 road team is a heavyweight? Where's the pride not to get swept by a lowly mediocre team like Oakland?

Quote from: mj on February 08, 2015, 03:46:51 PMI'm watching two heavyweights slug it out. Not sure what the issue is...

Nice try Grizz, you still lose.  At least you were having fun when you thought that you would pull this one out.

I will give credit that Petros finally had a decent game against Valpo.  Though 8 of his 16 points came because Vashil left him to give defensive help, he at least didn't look as panicked as he usually is against Valpo.

Seriously, someone needs to put together some footage of Vashil's SO year (really his FR year in college basketball) and compare to him now.  The dude just looks so much more confident and fluid on offense.  You can tell that the coaches have grilled into him that IF he dribbles, he needs to bend down, as many turnovers in year's past were because he stood straight up to dribble, giving defenders plenty of time to get a hand in there.  He follows everything, is a terror on D, how can you not love this guy (besides his FT issues over the last few games)?  He will be playing in a solid European league next season, and if he continues this improvement, there is no reason that he can't be a Brendan Haywood or Samuel Dalembert in the NBA.  Yes, I said it, and how can you deny it when he has played basketball for 6 years now and has shown that he keeps improving each game? 

I actually liked the American Sports Network broadcast, other than the aforementioned use of 'Northeast Indiana' several times, and butchering people's names. 

Felder, Daniels, and Hayes will be solid for Oakland over the next few seasons, just like we have some top players over the next 2-3 seasons already showing themselves (Peters, T Walker, Skara, etc).  Compare E Victor his first few games to now, and he looks a lot quicker!  His dribbling is getting better, and he is able to change momentum much better.  This is a great league. 

Once it started getting late, I wonder why Oakland didn't employ the hack-a-Vash strategy more than that one time.  Fouling him off the ball seemed genius.  I fear we go to overtime or worse if they would have kept that up.

Probably didn't do "Hack-a-Vash" because Bryce kept subbing him out for Jubril? Can't hack a player who is on the bench...

Great win!  The ASN feed worked fine.

Petros played well.  His first good game against Valpo.  However, the first 8 minutes didn't look good for him as he turned the ball over.  I know he's a big body, but refs missed several over the back calls on his offensive rebounds.  He should have fouled out. 

I like the American Network.  I was able to hear Bryce and Kempe several times talking to the refs and added to the entertainment and excitement. 

The American Network was fine.  The feed was very good.

I don't care who's announcing if the game is on actual TV in HD. Great not missing a chunk of the game because of the steam freezing.

I turned down the volume on my tv. The Abbott and Costello announce team was driving me crazy.

Give Oakland a lot of credit,  they were offensively effect. We are a deep team with talented men. I'm glad we won and think we have a good shot at green bay on friday.

Quote from: rink on February 08, 2015, 04:11:08 PM
Once it started getting late, I wonder why Oakland didn't employ the hack-a-Vash strategy more than that one time.  Fouling him off the ball seemed genius.  I fear we go to overtime or worse if they would have kept that up.

One of my favorite moments of the game was watching Bryce yelling at Vashil to stand on the sideline at half court when Valpo had a possession with under a minute to go. 

Quote from: a3uge on February 08, 2015, 04:26:58 PMbecause of the steam freezing.

surely it's not THAT cold

Usually a high scoring game when it's Oakland and Valpo.  Complete opposite from the hand check CSU games. 

Good win, but if everyone holds their own at home and Oakland wins out including the last game at GB, they will host the tourney. 

Quote from: valporun on February 08, 2015, 04:15:10 PM
Probably didn't do "Hack-a-Vash" because Bryce kept subbing him out for Jubril? Can't hack a player who is on the bench...

That's not really what happened.  After Vashil missed the front end of his 1-and-1, Oakland went down court and turned the ball over.  Vashil was still on the floor, Oakland chose to foul Nickerson with the ball. Nickerson also missed the front end of his 1-and-1, so it didn't bite them.  After Nickerson missed, Oakland went down court and missed two three pointers, with Peters grabbing the rebound.  Vashil was still on the floor and Oakland chose to foul Peters with the ball.  There were still 37 seconds left, 4 point game.  They should have found a way to foul Vashil, even if it meant running off more clock.  Fouling Alec was the dagger, he hit both FTs.  Vashil was subbed out after Peters made his second.

Eventually, Bryce would have taken Vashil off the floor and/or one of the fouls would have been called intentional, so hack-a-Vash (off the ball) wouldn't have worked forever.  But until then, it was clearly their best option.

Quote from: rink on February 08, 2015, 04:44:43 PMhey should have found a way to foul Vashil, even if it meant running off more clock.

B...bb...bbbut i thought Kampe was the best coach in the WORLD

I thought the ASN broadcast was good, not great.  I enjoyed the post-game coach and player interviews.  And them running the video segment about Valpo players going to Washington, IL to help with tornado damage.  At halftime, I liked the rundown of other mid-major news and notes.

Watching at home, I thought the ARC crowd sounded really tepid and quiet for such a close game.  Anyone else?

This was a great game to watch. Very exciting, gotta give it to Oakland, they are a very strong team. We were just better than they were today. The difference in this game was our depth of talent we have. 6 players scored more than 10 points today, only 5 players scored for Oakland. If Hayes didn't have his big game and hit some unexpected 3s, we would have won by 10 or so. Gotta give them credit, they made plays, and the game was back-and-forth, literally through much of the game.

Seems like somebody new steps up every night today it was EVN and Skara, last game it was the Walkers, there's a reason why we've won 22 games already, we are a very strong and deep team. We should be getting KC back as well, which will just make us better. The athleticism we have is what sets us apart, EVN, Walker n' Walker can get to the rim at will, and Vashil is a monster on the defensive end.

Vashil was sent to the far end at half court so that if he was fouled it would've been an intentional.

Quote from: rink on February 08, 2015, 04:48:48 PMI thought the ASN broadcast was good, not great.  I enjoyed the post-game coach and player interviews. 

Did not get the post game interviews on DirecTV 665-1.  I was really interested in seeing them as they talked about them before going to the commercial break. No such luck.  Thought they might be on the ASN replay but also no such luck there either.

Quote from: rink on February 08, 2015, 04:48:48 PMWatching at home, I thought the ARC crowd sounded really tepid and quiet for such a close game.  Anyone else?

I was sitting in the ARC and I would agree with your assessment.

Not many students...the community came out in good numbers. The noise and energy comes from the college kids though.

Today's Valpo students suck in regards to fandom :).  We are 22-4 (9-2), and we couldn't even fill the student section???

Quote from: valpotx on February 08, 2015, 05:40:32 PM
Today's Valpo students suck in regards to fandom :).  We are 22-4 (9-2), and we couldn't even fill the student section???

Student section was at best 2/3 full, and that's probably being generous.  And the ones who were there sat on their hands most of the time.  They didn't even stand and wave their arms like they usually do to distract the other team when they were shooting FT's.  Then again, it was Oakland.  Maybe they were just trying to be "respectful."

How about pgmado getting a "nah" answer from E regarding his not having a specific % that he feels health-wise, since he is moving quicker :lol:

Can anyone answer the following question?  Kempe may have revealed the answer and I missed it.  Or someone may just understand his philosophy better than me. 

Why does Kempe redshirt a lot of players? 

7 out of 15 players on their roster are redshirts?  This is common in football but in basketball?  There is not a team in the HL that has that many redshirts. 

Quote from: HC on February 08, 2015, 05:08:07 PM
Vashil was sent to the far end at half court so that if he was fouled it would've been an intentional.

When they fouled Peters under the Oakland basket, Vashil was nearby.  I know I'm beating a dead horse, just trying to stand up for the accuracy of my original point.

Anyways, I'm sure I'm oversimplifying how difficult it is to subtly foul a guy away from the ball in the heat of the game.

GO VALPO

A bunch of those guys were transfers, but he also likes to redshirt undersize guys, like Bader, and give them a chance to grow into the game.  It's a smart move--what was better, Bader at 18 or at 23?  I wish we'd do it more.

Downside is you are spending the money -- and the spot -- on someone not helping that year.  But if you can, you do it.

First time this year we had 6 in double figures against a D1 opponent (6 against IUSB, KC instead of EVN).  Had 5 against UIC.

In case this wasn't shown on TV, Oakland players walked on the court first for the opening tip. They stood there alone for probably 30 seconds before Valpo starters walked out. Not 1 Valpo player offered a hand for a handshake, or a fist for a fist bump.  No one even made eye contact with any Oakland player. I don't think I have ever seen that before, not even with Detroit after the little ray nonsense.   

So keith.. what are his chances of playing Friday?

Quote from: wh on February 08, 2015, 06:37:12 PM
In case this wasn't shown on TV, Oakland players walked on the court first for the opening tip. They stood there alone for probably 30 seconds before Valpo starters walked out. Not 1 Valpo player offered a hand for a handshake, or a fist for a fist bump.  No one even made eye contact with any Oakland player. I don't think I have ever seen that before, not even with Detroit after the little ray nonsense.   

It worked.  We came out the gates firing.   :o

Quote from: rink on February 08, 2015, 06:30:08 PM

Quote from: HC on February 08, 2015, 05:08:07 PM
Vashil was sent to the far end at half court so that if he was fouled it would've been an intentional.

When they fouled Peters under the Oakland basket, Vashil was nearby.  I know I'm beating a dead horse, just trying to stand up for the accuracy of my original point.

Anyways, I'm sure I'm oversimplifying how difficult it is to subtly foul a guy away from the ball in the heat of the game.

GO VALPO

You are correct.  I wondered exactly the same thing you did and breathed a sigh of relief that they didn't "intentionally" foul him again when they had the opportunity.

True.  We started great.   Almost strangled them with a big lead of 11-2 or something like that.  But we missed 2-3 easy shots in that run.

I like one thing about Green Bay in our next game .  They travel to Youngstown for a Wednesday game then on to Valparaiso.  Worst trip in the Horizon.  Can't hurt.

Quote from: Valpofan00 on February 08, 2015, 06:37:57 PM
So keith.. what are his chances of playing Friday?

Gore said in the post game radio interview that they hope to play KC against GB.  He said he's been itching to get back, but simply hasn't been ready until now.  My guess is that they'll play him in spots behind EVN and see how he does.

That was on the defensive end when Peters grabbed a rebound. I think instincts say foul the guy with the ball immediately. I was speaking to the time before that when they fouled EVN. Drew sent Vashil to the far side and we went 4-4.

Quote from: wh on February 08, 2015, 06:37:12 PM
In case this wasn't shown on TV, Oakland players walked on the court first for the opening tip. They stood there alone for probably 30 seconds before Valpo starters walked out. Not 1 Valpo player offered a hand for a handshake, or a fist for a fist bump.  No one even made eye contact with any Oakland player. I don't think I have ever seen that before, not even with Detroit after the little ray nonsense.   

Not sure why we would do such a thing?  Our players have always been known for their class, and I wouldn't want that to change, even if we win. 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/post-tribune/sports/ct-ptb-mens-basketball-oakland-valparaiso-st-0209-20150208-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/post-tribune/sports/ct-ptb-mens-basketball-oakland-valparaiso-st-0209-20150208-story.html)

Really, Tex?  I don't have a problem with it.  In the words of the late great Jerome Brown--points to you if you know exactly what I'm talking about--"Did the Japanese sit down and eat with Pearl Harbor before they bombed them? No. We're outta here."

Quote from: valpotx on February 08, 2015, 06:53:59 PM

Quote from: wh on February 08, 2015, 06:37:12 PM
In case this wasn't shown on TV, Oakland players walked on the court first for the opening tip. They stood there alone for probably 30 seconds before Valpo starters walked out. Not 1 Valpo player offered a hand for a handshake, or a fist for a fist bump.  No one even made eye contact with any Oakland player. I don't think I have ever seen that before, not even with Detroit after the little ray nonsense.   

Not sure why we would do such a thing?  Our players have always been known for their class, and I wouldn't want that to change, even if we win. 

Uh, before someone writes a blog article about how our players disrespected Oakland and their amazing coach, I should note that their players ignored ours, as well.  It wasn't like any of them tried to initiate a handshake or fist bump either.  They just stood there motionless while the Valpo players positioned themselves around the center circle. 

It's kind of like when you're at the grocery store and see someone at the other end of the aisle that you don't want to talk to.  You just keep walking and gazing at the groceries, hoping they don't notice you.  Of course unbeknownst to you, they're probably doing the same thing.  ;)

I do want to say that Paul's previous blog post--the Duke/Virginia game--was, I think, his best writing yet (other than his in-depth historical research, of course).  It was a great lede, an important point often overlooked (that every game matters), and a comprehensive 1000-foot view of the remainder of the season.

In case you missed it:
http://www.nwitimes.com/blogs/sports/valparaiso-university/twas-the-month-before-madness-horizon-league/article_f3281130-ac24-11e4-958e-13f868bbf856.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/blogs/sports/valparaiso-university/twas-the-month-before-madness-horizon-league/article_f3281130-ac24-11e4-958e-13f868bbf856.html)

Was very pleased with the broadcast, effort, win and sharing the ball.  First, on the broadcast.  I thought it was first class with great camera work and full HD.  Love the fact that when they are on break they actually talk about our game versus an ESPN broadcast which immediately reverts to covering Duke.  As for the game itself, I thought both teams played their butts off.  They were shutting down Alec and the other guys stepped up.  Not sure we had that ability a few years back if Rowdy was shut down. Six guys in double figures speaks for itself. Felder is the REAL deal.  I wonder how it might have come out if Keith or Lexus or both had played.  As for Petros, he played a great game.  No knock on him. Huge win and now the big kahuna!

If Carter comes back against GB, are we just assuming he takes all of Max's minutes or will Bryce find a way to continue to use Max this season?  I will once again ask Max to stay patient if he struggles to get minutes the remainder of this year and into next year.  Max, you will get all the playing time you want as a junior and senior and will be a solid contributor to very successful teams!  Valpo fans appreciate your contributions and we see your potential! 

Hayes, Tevonn, Skara, and Daniels were great tonight.  Max also held his own while he was out there.  Talk about youth on display. 

Both Oakland and Valpo have highly rated big men coming in next season.  Oakland is getting some good transfers and Valpo will be getting Lexus back.  These teams will both be very good for the foreseeable future.  Oakland needs to drop 2-3 teams from their ridiculously hard schedule and Valpo needs to add 2-3 tough teams to their ridiculously easy schedule, that way going forward both teams will have very good RPI's going into conference!  That's right, there is a happy medium when it comes to scheduling, and we BOTH need to find it!   

You have to credit Kampe for his game plan and Oakland for their play. Kampe spoke in the postgame press conference about the need to limit Alec's shots, which his team did. In fact, it was frustrating to watch Peters unable to get open most of the game, but it was rewarding to notice how mature he is in such circumstances. Alec never forced a shot, and he took what they gave him, making 3 of his 4 field goal attempts and all 4 free throws, while he pulled down 9 rebounds, coming just short of a very quiet double-double. However, when the game was on the line Alec made the big three-point shot, his only attempt of the game. As Kampe later candidly said: "That was a championship play!" Here is my photo of Alec's shot:


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Knew I'd get killed for the pro-Kampe viewpoint. Was just trying to point out that a guy who Valpo fans consistently say they hate is actually a big fan of the program. I also enjoy interview Kampe after games. He talks a lot. He, along with Donlon, it makes me job easier :)

I didn't catch the stuff at the opening tip, but given that Rocky IV is one of the best movies of all-time, I like the cold shoulder at the beginning. Was a great game today. Too bad the students weren't there to see it.

The 1st time we played Oakland this season, and lost, we were all wondering how we could lose to a team that got beat by Western Carolina, Eastern Michigan, Western Michigan, Georgia, State, and barely beat Morehead State on the road. 

Well guess what....This Oakland team is not the same team that played early in the season.  No really, look at this box score from the their Western Carolina game.  Hayes with only 5 minutes in a game that went into 2 overtimes!  Nick Daniels doesn't even see the floor!  Kampe made some major changes to this lineup since their early struggles.     

http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=400589093 (http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=400589093)

Quote from: oklahomamick on February 08, 2015, 04:41:39 PM
Usually a high scoring game when it's Oakland and Valpo.  Complete opposite from the hand check CSU games. 

Good win, but if everyone holds their own at home and Oakland wins out including the last game at GB, they will host the tourney. 

You're right that any of the top 4 can still win the league, including Oakland.  The problem Oakland now has is they no longer control their own destiny, while all 3 teams ahead of them do.  From a Valpo perspective we took a major step today toward winning the league.  If we continue to take care of our own business, nothing else Oakland does from here on out matters one way or the other.

Personally, my dream finish would be Valpo 1st, CSU 2nd, GB 3rd, Oakland 4th.  Because of Oakland's short bench, playing them in front of a packed house at the ARC 24 hours after they play a knock-down-drag-out-loser-go-home game has to be our best option.  Step #2 toward that goal begins Friday.  I hope we have a packed house.

Quote from: SanityLost17 on February 08, 2015, 08:25:04 PMThese teams will both be very good for the foreseeable future.  Oakland needs to drop 2-3 teams from their ridiculously hard schedule and Valpo needs to add 2-3 tough teams to their ridiculously easy schedule, that way going forward both teams will have very good RPI's going into conference!  That's right, there is a happy medium when it comes to scheduling, and we BOTH need to find it!   

As the lesser of two evils I would prefer that our 15-16 and 16-17 schedules were identical to Oakland's 14-15 as opposed to ours. Aggressive scheduling (only slightly toned down from what Oakland has done in the past) is exactly what these 2 teams need for the near term future.

Quote from: Pgmado on February 08, 2015, 08:37:00 PMKnew I'd get killed for the pro-Kampe viewpoint love letter

FTFY ; )

Quote from: justducky on February 08, 2015, 09:18:31 PM

Quote from: SanityLost17 on February 08, 2015, 08:25:04 PMThese teams will both be very good for the foreseeable future.  Oakland needs to drop 2-3 teams from their ridiculously hard schedule and Valpo needs to add 2-3 tough teams to their ridiculously easy schedule, that way going forward both teams will have very good RPI's going into conference!  That's right, there is a happy medium when it comes to scheduling, and we BOTH need to find it!   

As the lesser of two evils I would prefer that our 15-16 and 16-17 schedules were identical to Oakland's 14-15 as opposed to ours. Aggressive scheduling (only slightly toned down from what Oakland has done in the past) is exactly what these 2 teams need for the near term future.

The goal should be to win tournament games, not slide in as a 15/16 seed and get slaughtered by Kansas in the opening round because it feels good to play 6 unwinnable games at the beginning of the year.

Quote from: kerrywoodwins20 on February 08, 2015, 03:28:29 PMI'm just embarrassed I thought this team was good. Swept by Oakland it looks like.

You're a relative of rink's? correct?

As previously mentioned, an interesting moment in the post-game press conference came at the end when Nickerson seemed perplexed by Oren's question about his health. When Paul asked, Nickerson responded that he was not 100% yet. However, that brought back images of E. Victor hobbling on crutches last year, which I contrasted with the athletic individual we now see running the court, slashing into the lane, drawing contact, and jumping over opponents, as well as being placed into the point guard position and defending some of the conference's quickest players. Then in today's game, Nickerson leads the team with 16 points, but also adds 3 assists and a steal while committing only 1 turnover. Look at my photo below of Nickerson leaping high in traffic to score and recall that image of him struggling on crutches this time last year, realizing the hard work he must have put into his rehabilitation. I hope Lexus recovers as fully as E. Victor appears to be doing and we get to see both on the court together next season.
 
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Quote from: a3uge on February 08, 2015, 09:35:17 PMThe goal should be to win tournament games, not slide in as a 15/16 seed and get slaughtered by Kansas in the opening round because it feels good to play 6 unwinnable games at the beginning of the year.

If you would be happy with a 12 or 13 seed in 15-16 your formula should be fine. Personally I think that next years talent gives us a shot at a 9 or 10 but that type of seed will require some AGGRESSIVE scheduling risks. Nobody wants to come to us so our options are to play it safe or stick our necks out.

My vote and the vote of most ordinary northwest Indiana basketball fans would say "caution to the wind - no guts no glory"!

Quote from: rink on February 08, 2015, 04:48:48 PM
I thought the ASN broadcast was good, not great.  I enjoyed the post-game coach and player interviews.  And them running the video segment about Valpo players going to Washington, IL to help with tornado damage.  At halftime, I liked the rundown of other mid-major news and notes.

Watching at home, I thought the ARC crowd sounded really tepid and quiet for such a close game.  Anyone else?

I liked the campus shots pre-game, and the Hilltop stuff.

Odd that they left the post-game out of the replay!  Which was posted within ~4 hours.

Decent broadcasts.  Some advantages over HLN or the recent ESPN3 debacle.  But, some disadvantages.

Quote from: rink on February 08, 2015, 04:48:48 PM
Watching at home, I thought the ARC crowd sounded really tepid and quiet for such a close game.  Anyone else?

Decent looking crowd, and they sounded OK on video - but I think some of that was just heavy mixing of cheerleaders.

I'm not sure where the students were!

Quote from: crusadermoe on February 08, 2015, 06:44:14 PM
I like one thing about Green Bay in our next game .  They travel to Youngstown for a Wednesday game then on to Valparaiso.  Worst trip in the Horizon.  Can't hurt.

Do NCAA rules mandate going home for Thursday classes?  Seems crazy, but is the rule 48 hours?  Might even depend on game times?

what was todays attendance?

A couple people have mentioned how Oakland was able to shut down Alec today. Which I agree happened, but only to a point. There were not nearly the amount of sets called to get him a look compared to a "normal" game. Bryce used him as a screener to start our dribble weave action because they weren't going to help off of him. And when he wasn't setting a screen, he was on the block sealing his man to allow for a more direct path for a layup. Vashil could be seen doing the same thing on the other block. It was just a phenomenal use of Alec knowing it was going to be tough for him to get any clean looks. And he also may have set the best screen I have ever seen in a half court setting on Daniels. That was a big time collision.

Quote from: Valpofan00 on February 08, 2015, 10:28:10 PMwhat was todays attendance?

It's always listed next to the score line on the boxscore--4,267

http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/boxscore/2014-15/4628/oakland-02-08-2015/ (http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/boxscore/2014-15/4628/oakland-02-08-2015/)

Quote from: valpopal on February 08, 2015, 10:00:05 PM

As previously mentioned, an interesting moment in the post-game press conference came at the end when Nickerson seemed perplexed by Oren's question about his health. When Paul asked, Nickerson responded that he was not 100% yet. However, that brought back images of E. Victor hobbling on crutches last year, which I contrasted with the athletic individual we now see running the court, slashing into the lane, drawing contact, and jumping over opponents, as well as being placed into the point guard position and defending some of the conference's quickest players. Then in today's game, Nickerson leads the team with 16 points, but also adds 3 assists and a steal while committing only 1 turnover. Look at my photo below of Nickerson leaping high in traffic to score and recall that image of him struggling on crutches this time last year, realizing the hard work he must have put into his rehabilitation. I hope Lexus recovers as fully as E. Victor appears to be doing and we get to see both on the court together next season.
 
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Speaking of EVN, Luke Gore mentioned in the post game that he is "every bit of 6-8" and then referred to him as their "6-9 point guard."  When EVN took 6-1 Daniels to the rim and scored over him, it reminded me of scoring over my son in the driveway - when he was about 9.  ;)

I also noticed that Chadwick was in uniform today.  Wonder if we will see him get any minutes yet this year.

Good call on Chadwick, as I saw that as well, wondering if that means he will get a few minutes here and there to spell Vashil and/or Peters.  He had a few good games before he hurt himself, and could be a good change of pace at the C for 3-5 minutes each game.

Quote from: a3uge on February 08, 2015, 04:26:58 PMGreat not missing a chunk of the game because of the steam freezing.

Is that called fog?

Quote from: a3uge on February 08, 2015, 03:39:00 PM
Is this an Oakland fan?

He's a Cubs fan.  Enough said.

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Quote from: Valpofan00 on February 08, 2015, 06:37:57 PM
So keith.. what are his chances of playing Friday?

Gore said in the post game radio interview that they hope to play KC against GB.  He said he's been itching to get back, but simply hasn't been ready until now.  My guess is that they'll play him in spots behind EVN and see how he does.

Unlike EVN with percentages, I'm pretty sure that Gore put a 50% chance of Keith coming back on Friday. Or did I dream that up? I flip over to WVUR as soon as the game is over but it does take time to boot up.

He did not mention a 50% chance, but if I was a gambling man, I might make a wager that Keith will play on Friday.

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Quote from: kerrywoodwins20 on February 08, 2015, 03:28:29 PMI'm just embarrassed I thought this team was good. Swept by Oakland it looks like.

You're a relative of rink's? correct?

I wouldn't even go so far as to humiliate rink by associating him with kerrywoodwins20.

markpriorloses20, maybe.

Quote from: chef on February 09, 2015, 12:39:49 AMHe did not mention a 50% chance, but if I was a gambling man, I might make a wager that Keith will play on Friday.

Well if that is what you think then I would say there is a 100% chance that he dresses and warms up. Playing time? My bet would be just a cameo appearance. Maybe we send him in the last possession before halftime to stack the floor with 3 point shooters then run a play for somebody else?

Unless much of what has been said has been a smoke screen it seems unlikely he would be asked to play any significant minutes.

I think that it is funny that the Oakland forum can't get around why I don't like Petros, even mentioning my dislike for him :).  They even go on to mention all of his charity deeds.  I haven't ever said anything about his character, it is solely his play against Valpo that I reference.  This was his first good game against Valpo in 6 tries.  Yes, he had plenty of rebounds in previous matchups, but that wasn't because of anything fantastic he did, rather more because of being at the right place on weak side rebounds with the long 3 point misses from his teammates.  His shooting percentage against us in the 5 previous games was 32%, and below 50% from the FT line.  Anyone can look at the footage and see that he didn't know what he was doing against our bigs in those matchups.  He did much better today than in those games.  I am glad to hear that he is a good person overall, but I still don't think that he is good on the court against Valpo.  Against other teams, he obviously has success, but not against Valpo until Sunday. 

Chances are the students didn't come out for this one was the day and time of the game. 2 on a Sunday afternoon isn't a great time for students as Sunday is a big study day, usually. If the game was 7 on Saturday night there would've been a big turnout among students. Also watching the game I noticed the ARC was full but seemed rather quiet. I'm guessing this had something to do with the matinee as well. It always seems like the crowds are quieter for an early game than a late game.

Can anyone explain why Kampe puts no one on the free throw line when his team is shooting. Twice late, with bad shooters at the line he conceded rebounds to us. Does not make sense to me.  The announcers kept saying that he has always done that which is nice but does not make it a good strategy.

Did anyone else notice that you could barely read Oakland on the front of their jerseys?

I can understand doing that more when Felder is at the line but Petros is terrible at FTs, he's below 50% on the season. The announcers said that Kampe does it for the defense but late in the game when you need to score you need to put guys at the line to possibly get a rebound or force a turnover to get the ball back. Bryce had a great gameplan that worked get to the rim and they got to the rim whenever they wanted. I also though defensively Valpo played well, if it wasn't for Hayes hitting some unexpected 3s the game would've been a much easier win. Oakland hit their outside shots which kept the game tight. Oakland is a very good team, this is a very nice win.

We executed better at the end, we made our shots while Oakland took bad shots. We won the game in the final 4 minutes. This was a fantastic college basketball game, it was nice to be able to watch it on TV, with commentators who talked about Valpo and Oakland or the HL as a whole, not what's going on in the B1G or something. The Northeast Indiana thing bugged me but this was rather nice to watch and listen to somebody who was fully invested in the game not what's going on elsewhere in the NCAA.

Yeah I never understood why on ESPN they'll talk about Duke and Kentucky at the half when the majority of the viewers are fans from the Horizon. Fans of Kentucky, Duke, etc don't watch mid majors, which is great because it's all that more hilarious when they get upset by Mercer and Lehigh.

Saw this on the Oakland board, posted by a fan who made the trip to the ARC.  I thought it was very complimentary,

Enjoyed my second visit to the ARC on Sunday. It's a terrific mid-major basketball atmosphere — all that's good about hoops in Indiana.

Knowledgable Valpo fans came early, wearing their brown and gold, and they filled the lower bowl. The adults and students stood for the opening tip and didn't sit until the Crusaders scored. The crowd appeared to skew a little bit older than Oakland's fan base. I saw a lot of people who appeared to be my contemporaries — in their 60s. I guess that shouldn't be surprising considering the school's basketball tradition.

Legendary coach Homer Drew sat in the stands, opposite the Crusaders bench.

I wore my Oakland gear prominently, and everybody was friendly and welcoming. The food was good and inexpensive. I paid $3.50 for an surprisingly enjoyable pulled-chicken sandwich. There was adequate free parking close to the field house.

Just wish our guys had made more plays in crunch time. Valpo did. And the fans responded loudly.

Read more: http://goldengrizzlyhoops.proboards.com/thread/1538/game-thread-ou-valparaiso?page=3#ixzz3RGEXaGQ4 (http://goldengrizzlyhoops.proboards.com/thread/1538/game-thread-ou-valparaiso?page=3#ixzz3RGEXaGQ4)

Here is that postgame interview with Kampe. http://youtu.be/KCPdFFnXTQ4 (http://youtu.be/KCPdFFnXTQ4)

Also, Valpo played very well offensively, and really HAD to play well offensively. Oakland hit their fair share of crazy shots - they had three 3's from a guy that was 0-3 in his career and a crazy banked shot to start the 2nd half. Oakland also had a few deep contested 3s and didn't turn the ball over that much (only 8 times). Nickerson had a great game offensively. By far his best game in a Valpo uniform. He had a couple sloppy passes but only 1 TO.

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Quote from: chef on February 09, 2015, 12:39:49 AMHe did not mention a 50% chance, but if I was a gambling man, I might make a wager that Keith will play on Friday.

Well if that is what you think then I would say there is a 100% chance that he dresses and warms up. Playing time? My bet would be just a cameo appearance. Maybe we send him in the last possession before halftime to stack the floor with 3 point shooters then run a play for somebody else?

Unless much of what has been said has been a smoke screen it seems unlikely he would be asked to play any significant minutes.

This all sounds about right.  Hopefully a chance for some extended minutes when we're up ten or so at Milwaukee, maybe staying in the game as the lead slips, for some pressure.  Ramping back up toward the end of the conference season, and we'll see how he reintegrates for @CSU and the tourney.

I would agree that KC will be back for GB. The boot has been off and coaches are mentioning there's a he's probable for the game. If he is back it'll be interesting to see how much he plays, how much rust is there or does he come out guns blazing, and has a career night. My guess is he and EVN will split time in the first half to see how KC handles it.

I'm hoping he has little issues transitioning back into playing and the team readjusts back to him running the point.

Quote from: chef on February 09, 2015, 12:39:49 AM
He did not mention a 50% chance, but if I was a gambling man, I might make a wager that Keith will play on Friday.

IF???
Keith is playing Friday.

I like E.Victor's length on Sykes. 

I have posted a gallery at the following link with more than 30 of my photos from the Oakland game for all to enjoy. Some of the images seem to be inviting captions (including Bryce when he almost got a technical with a couple of minutes left in the game) if anyone has an inspiration during this opening in the schedule before the Green Bay game.


https://www.flickr.com/photos/96208998@N05/sets/72157650307758760/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/96208998@N05/sets/72157650307758760/)

Thanks Pal... great photo of Connie Felten (and son Michael) hard to believe Connie's in her 90s!

Putting message board trash talking aside for the moment, we were looking forward to watching Felder play in person yesterday and he certainly didn't disappoint. He's impressive on so many levels and really fun to watch.  One thing some of us were wondering is he a prospective NBA player, or is he simply too short at 5-9?  Not really interested in researching NBA rosters, but just thought someone might know. 

Quote from: valpopal on February 09, 2015, 06:21:52 PMSome of the images seem to be inviting captions (including Bryce when he almost got a technical with a couple of minutes left in the game)

After looking at the expression on Bryce's face--check out the expression on Coach Powell's face. I'm thinking he's thinking "Am I really going to have to restrain Bryce from going after a ref?"

Mighty close to a second Bryce technical. Is #9 going to be used on the over/under thread?

And the look on Max's face in the second photo="Oh no he didint"

Quote from: classof2014 on February 09, 2015, 08:07:55 AM
Chances are the students didn't come out for this one was the day and time of the game. 2 on a Sunday afternoon isn't a great time for students as Sunday is a big study day, usually. If the game was 7 on Saturday night there would've been a big turnout among students. Also watching the game I noticed the ARC was full but seemed rather quiet. I'm guessing this had something to do with the matinee as well. It always seems like the crowds are quieter for an early game than a late game.

Oh come on, if you are a true fan, you are able to plan around 2 hours on a Sunday to study.  Good lord, the excuses we make for the students nowadays!  I have said it many times, that if you can't tackle being a full-time student, and if you are a sports fan, attending major events in area such as this game, then you are going to have major issues balancing a 'real world' schedule.  Spoiled young people, used to sitting on their couch and not communicating with the outside world in person anymore :).

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Quote from: classof2014 on February 09, 2015, 08:07:55 AM
Chances are the students didn't come out for this one was the day and time of the game. 2 on a Sunday afternoon isn't a great time for students as Sunday is a big study day, usually. If the game was 7 on Saturday night there would've been a big turnout among students. Also watching the game I noticed the ARC was full but seemed rather quiet. I'm guessing this had something to do with the matinee as well. It always seems like the crowds are quieter for an early game than a late game.

Oh come on, if you are a true fan, you are able to plan around 2 hours on a Sunday to study.  Good lord, the excuses we make for the students nowadays!  I have said it many times, that if you can't tackle being a full-time student, and if you are a sports fan, attending major events in area such as this game, then you are going to have major issues balancing a 'real world' schedule.  Spoiled young people, used to sitting on their couch and not communicating with the outside world in person anymore :).

Sadly I think the crowd that showed up are the true fans of the team. I full expect the student section to be full on Friday, but it'll be because it's an "event" and ESPN is going to be there. We'll have the guys who paint their chest to get on TV who will be there and we'll have the people who heard "Oh this is going to be crazy, ESPN is going to be there" so they'll show up just to see the spectacle of the ESPN crowd.

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Quote from: classof2014 on February 09, 2015, 08:07:55 AM
Chances are the students didn't come out for this one was the day and time of the game. 2 on a Sunday afternoon isn't a great time for students as Sunday is a big study day, usually. If the game was 7 on Saturday night there would've been a big turnout among students. Also watching the game I noticed the ARC was full but seemed rather quiet. I'm guessing this had something to do with the matinee as well. It always seems like the crowds are quieter for an early game than a late game.

Oh come on, if you are a true fan, you are able to plan around 2 hours on a Sunday to study.  Good lord, the excuses we make for the students nowadays!  I have said it many times, that if you can't tackle being a full-time student, and if you are a sports fan, attending major events in area such as this game, then you are going to have major issues balancing a 'real world' schedule.  Spoiled young people, used to sitting on their couch and not communicating with the outside world in person anymore :).

I never said they were the real fans... That was the reason why the student section wasn't full on a Sunday afternoon. At least there were students there but I don't think the students view Oakland as a rival. I agree most students just show up when its popular. I do wish more cared about the basketball team.

I even went so far as emailing a final to a professor to watch them play IPFW a few years back...

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Quote from: classof2014 on February 09, 2015, 08:07:55 AM
Chances are the students didn't come out for this one was the day and time of the game. 2 on a Sunday afternoon isn't a great time for students as Sunday is a big study day, usually. If the game was 7 on Saturday night there would've been a big turnout among students. Also watching the game I noticed the ARC was full but seemed rather quiet. I'm guessing this had something to do with the matinee as well. It always seems like the crowds are quieter for an early game than a late game.

Oh come on, if you are a true fan, you are able to plan around 2 hours on a Sunday to study.  Good lord, the excuses we make for the students nowadays!  I have said it many times, that if you can't tackle being a full-time student, and if you are a sports fan, attending major events in area such as this game, then you are going to have major issues balancing a 'real world' schedule.  Spoiled young people, used to sitting on their couch and not communicating with the outside world in person anymore :).

I never said they were the real fans... That was the reason why the student section wasn't full on a Sunday afternoon. At least there were students there but I don't think the students view Oakland as a rival. I agree most students just show up when its popular. I do wish more cared about the basketball team.

I even went so far as emailing a final to a professor to watch them play IPFW a few years back...

I'll one-up you - I was at the CIT debacle against Iona. One of maybe 5 other students in the student section. My last attended game as a student :(

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Quote from: classof2014 on February 09, 2015, 08:07:55 AM
Chances are the students didn't come out for this one was the day and time of the game. 2 on a Sunday afternoon isn't a great time for students as Sunday is a big study day, usually. If the game was 7 on Saturday night there would've been a big turnout among students. Also watching the game I noticed the ARC was full but seemed rather quiet. I'm guessing this had something to do with the matinee as well. It always seems like the crowds are quieter for an early game than a late game.

Oh come on, if you are a true fan, you are able to plan around 2 hours on a Sunday to study.  Good lord, the excuses we make for the students nowadays!  I have said it many times, that if you can't tackle being a full-time student, and if you are a sports fan, attending major events in area such as this game, then you are going to have major issues balancing a 'real world' schedule.  Spoiled young people, used to sitting on their couch and not communicating with the outside world in person anymore :).

I never said they were the real fans... That was the reason why the student section wasn't full on a Sunday afternoon. At least there were students there but I don't think the students view Oakland as a rival. I agree most students just show up when its popular. I do wish more cared about the basketball team.

I even went so far as emailing a final to a professor to watch them play IPFW a few years back...

I'll one-up you - I was at the CIT debacle against Iona. One of maybe 5 other students in the student section. My last attended game as a student :(

I was one of the five other students then... That game was painful to say the least... I thought that was the breakout game for Jay Harris, I was wrong as well.

Talk about a team collapse down the stretch, they were in control of their own destiny after beating Butler. Went to Green Bay lost in OT, after Howard Little missed an easy layup at the end of the game I believe. The team checked out after losing to Milwaukee, a senior laden team that never made it to the promise land, they were all done. At least the Rowdy crew didn't fold like the 10-11 team did.

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Quote from: classof2014 on February 09, 2015, 08:07:55 AM
Chances are the students didn't come out for this one was the day and time of the game. 2 on a Sunday afternoon isn't a great time for students as Sunday is a big study day, usually. If the game was 7 on Saturday night there would've been a big turnout among students. Also watching the game I noticed the ARC was full but seemed rather quiet. I'm guessing this had something to do with the matinee as well. It always seems like the crowds are quieter for an early game than a late game.

Oh come on, if you are a true fan, you are able to plan around 2 hours on a Sunday to study.  Good lord, the excuses we make for the students nowadays!  I have said it many times, that if you can't tackle being a full-time student, and if you are a sports fan, attending major events in area such as this game, then you are going to have major issues balancing a 'real world' schedule.  Spoiled young people, used to sitting on their couch and not communicating with the outside world in person anymore :).

I never said they were the real fans... That was the reason why the student section wasn't full on a Sunday afternoon. At least there were students there but I don't think the students view Oakland as a rival. I agree most students just show up when its popular. I do wish more cared about the basketball team.

I even went so far as emailing a final to a professor to watch them play IPFW a few years back...

I'll one-up you - I was at the CIT debacle against Iona. One of maybe 5 other students in the student section. My last attended game as a student :(

I was one of the five other students then... That game was painful to say the least... I thought that was the breakout game for Jay Harris, I was wrong as well.

Talk about a team collapse down the stretch, they were in control of their own destiny after beating Butler. Went to Green Bay lost in OT, after Howard Little missed an easy layup at the end of the game I believe. The team checked out after losing to Milwaukee, a senior laden team that never made it to the promise land, they were all done. At least the Rowdy crew didn't fold like the 10-11 team did.

There's a saying, "Always remember to polish the backs of your shoes because it's the last thing people see as you walk out the door."

As impressive a dresser as Cory was, I just can't get out of my mind the negative impression he left with those unpolished shoes on his way out the door.

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Quote from: classof2014 on February 09, 2015, 08:07:55 AM
Chances are the students didn't come out for this one was the day and time of the game. 2 on a Sunday afternoon isn't a great time for students as Sunday is a big study day, usually. If the game was 7 on Saturday night there would've been a big turnout among students. Also watching the game I noticed the ARC was full but seemed rather quiet. I'm guessing this had something to do with the matinee as well. It always seems like the crowds are quieter for an early game than a late game.

Oh come on, if you are a true fan, you are able to plan around 2 hours on a Sunday to study.  Good lord, the excuses we make for the students nowadays!  I have said it many times, that if you can't tackle being a full-time student, and if you are a sports fan, attending major events in area such as this game, then you are going to have major issues balancing a 'real world' schedule.  Spoiled young people, used to sitting on their couch and not communicating with the outside world in person anymore :).

I never said they were the real fans... That was the reason why the student section wasn't full on a Sunday afternoon. At least there were students there but I don't think the students view Oakland as a rival. I agree most students just show up when its popular. I do wish more cared about the basketball team.

I even went so far as emailing a final to a professor to watch them play IPFW a few years back...

I'll one-up you - I was at the CIT debacle against Iona. One of maybe 5 other students in the student section. My last attended game as a student :(

I was one of the five other students then... That game was painful to say the least... I thought that was the breakout game for Jay Harris, I was wrong as well.

Talk about a team collapse down the stretch, they were in control of their own destiny after beating Butler. Went to Green Bay lost in OT, after Howard Little missed an easy layup at the end of the game I believe. The team checked out after losing to Milwaukee, a senior laden team that never made it to the promise land, they were all done. At least the Rowdy crew didn't fold like the 10-11 team did.

There's a saying, "Always remember to polish the backs of your shoes because it's the last thing people see as you walk out the door."

As impressive a dresser as Cory was, I just can't get out of my mind the negative impression he left with those unpolished shoes on his way out the door.

Are you referring to him getting drunk at Duffy's the night before?

Quote from: classof2014 on February 10, 2015, 08:32:22 AMI agree most students just show up when its popular. I do wish more cared about the basketball team.

In a recent show of hands from my freshmen students, I was pleasantly surprised that most had been to a game this season. Only one (of about 15) was at the Oakland game.  A couple mentioned they were asleep - maybe one after a late night, the other after Sunday services at the Chapel

I barely remember the days when I could sleep until noon, let alone past noon!

But, yeah, not _serious_ fans.  Still, I'll take a ground swell of casual fans.  Maybe it's like the birth of a star, and out of a big clump of casual fans a core of more serious stuff forms.  (One could wax poetic here about bursting forth into light, or starry light, or into nuclear fire, etc.)

Quote from: talksalot on February 09, 2015, 09:16:11 PM
Thanks Pal... great photo of Connie Felten (and son Michael) hard to believe Connie's in her 90s!

Don't forget Lois!  But, absolutely, a great photo from a great set.  And Connie's definitely something else.  We always enjoy watching her at games.

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Quote from: classof2014 on February 09, 2015, 08:07:55 AM
Chances are the students didn't come out for this one was the day and time of the game. 2 on a Sunday afternoon isn't a great time for students as Sunday is a big study day, usually. If the game was 7 on Saturday night there would've been a big turnout among students. Also watching the game I noticed the ARC was full but seemed rather quiet. I'm guessing this had something to do with the matinee as well. It always seems like the crowds are quieter for an early game than a late game.

Oh come on, if you are a true fan, you are able to plan around 2 hours on a Sunday to study.  Good lord, the excuses we make for the students nowadays!  I have said it many times, that if you can't tackle being a full-time student, and if you are a sports fan, attending major events in area such as this game, then you are going to have major issues balancing a 'real world' schedule.  Spoiled young people, used to sitting on their couch and not communicating with the outside world in person anymore :).

I never said they were the real fans... That was the reason why the student section wasn't full on a Sunday afternoon. At least there were students there but I don't think the students view Oakland as a rival. I agree most students just show up when its popular. I do wish more cared about the basketball team.

I even went so far as emailing a final to a professor to watch them play IPFW a few years back...

I'll one-up you - I was at the CIT debacle against Iona. One of maybe 5 other students in the student section. My last attended game as a student :(

I was one of the five other students then... That game was painful to say the least... I thought that was the breakout game for Jay Harris, I was wrong as well.

Talk about a team collapse down the stretch, they were in control of their own destiny after beating Butler. Went to Green Bay lost in OT, after Howard Little missed an easy layup at the end of the game I believe. The team checked out after losing to Milwaukee, a senior laden team that never made it to the promise land, they were all done. At least the Rowdy crew didn't fold like the 10-11 team did.

I believe Rogers missed a wide open layup and rebound.  Howard fell down leading to a travel in some late game situation also.  I too was one of those 5...thank you gentlemen for bringing up that awful series of memories.  The home loss to Loyola, however, in the penultimate game of the season was the angriest I've ever been at a sporting event (at the team I was cheering for).  It's because of that season that I occasionally post things like "what if Valpo loses out?" because I will not get my hopes that high on the backs of college students ever again.   

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Quote from: classof2014 on February 09, 2015, 08:07:55 AM
Chances are the students didn't come out for this one was the day and time of the game. 2 on a Sunday afternoon isn't a great time for students as Sunday is a big study day, usually. If the game was 7 on Saturday night there would've been a big turnout among students. Also watching the game I noticed the ARC was full but seemed rather quiet. I'm guessing this had something to do with the matinee as well. It always seems like the crowds are quieter for an early game than a late game.

Oh come on, if you are a true fan, you are able to plan around 2 hours on a Sunday to study.  Good lord, the excuses we make for the students nowadays!  I have said it many times, that if you can't tackle being a full-time student, and if you are a sports fan, attending major events in area such as this game, then you are going to have major issues balancing a 'real world' schedule.  Spoiled young people, used to sitting on their couch and not communicating with the outside world in person anymore :).

Sadly I think the crowd that showed up are the true fans of the team. I full expect the student section to be full on Friday, but it'll be because it's an "event" and ESPN is going to be there. We'll have the guys who paint their chest to get on TV who will be there and we'll have the people who heard "Oh this is going to be crazy, ESPN is going to be there" so they'll show up just to see the spectacle of the ESPN crowd.

This is very true. As with most fan bases, you'll have a core group of diehards that show up to every game, and then the more casual, ESPN chasers. I, for one, was actually expecting fewer students than did in fact show up on Sunday.

One thing we are missing is a Butler-esque opponent consistently on the schedule that everyone has circled on their calendar,  although that ties more into the scheduling issue.

While we're at it, why were there only 5 students for this Iona CIT debacle a few years ago? Student presence was at least in the double digits for the Columbia game last year...

Quote from: hailcrusaders on February 10, 2015, 02:23:50 PM
While we're at it, why were there only 5 students for this Iona CIT debacle a few years ago? Student presence was at least in the double digits for the Columbia game last year...

As one of the "five" students at that game (come on now, there were at least eight of us), I don't remember there being any buzz at all on campus. Nobody had heard of the CIT or Iona, so nobody was interested. That 20 point butchering at home to Loyola a few weeks prior, which I believe was the last home game before spring break, probably didn't help either.

the CIT Iona Fandom Endurance Badge
is hereby awarded to

1) swiftmutiny
2) govalpogo
3) a3uge
4) classof2014
5) _________

we now have 80% of the student section there here and active...i'm guessing the 5th was like kerrywoodwins20.

sorry I can't even take credit for it... I was not available... and Dick Harlan did the game for me at the PA.  One of 8 games I've missed in 28+ years.... and the only one VU lost.

Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 10, 2015, 04:52:47 PM
the CIT Iona Fandom Endurance Badge
is hereby awarded to

1) swiftmutiny
2) govalpogo
3) a3uge
4) classof2014
5) _________

we now have 80% of the student section there here and active...i'm guessing the 5th was like kerrywoodwins20.

I was there...for the second half. So does that leave a half a person still?

Quote from: aevans12 on February 10, 2015, 05:13:14 PM

Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 10, 2015, 04:52:47 PM
the CIT Iona Fandom Endurance Badge
is hereby awarded to

1) swiftmutiny
2) govalpogo
3) a3uge
4) classof2014
5) _________

we now have 80% of the student section there here and active...i'm guessing the 5th was like kerrywoodwins20.

I was there...for the second half. So does that leave a half a person still?

I gotta tell you. All kidding aside, this is a pretty cool story. The 5 hardcore students at that game are now hardcore adult supporters and veteran board members. Did any of you know each other then, or now?

Actually, I don't think the student section was THAT bad for the CIT game, but the rest of the ARC was brutally empty. I remember getting there 15-20 min early for a good spot... before we walked in a friend that was working on the event staff told us that NOBODY was there and that they only sold 300 tickets beforehand. I told him that it was still early... But nobody showed up.

I think the guy that wore the orange shirt and yelled a lot was there. That guy was pretty awesome.

Quote from: wh on February 10, 2015, 05:27:19 PM

Quote from: aevans12 on February 10, 2015, 05:13:14 PM

Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 10, 2015, 04:52:47 PM
the CIT Iona Fandom Endurance Badge
is hereby awarded to

1) swiftmutiny
2) govalpogo
3) a3uge
4) classof2014
5) _________

we now have 80% of the student section there here and active...i'm guessing the 5th was like kerrywoodwins20.

I was there...for the second half. So does that leave a half a person still?

I gotta tell you. All kidding aside, this is a pretty cool story. The 5 hardcore students at that game are now hardcore adult supporters and veteran board members. Did any of you know each other then, or now?

Connecting internet personalities with real life personalities? I'd rather keep them separate. I'd hate for people to find out my grammar is as that bad in speaking as is as bad in written text.

Haha, I'm not sure who any of the others are, but I'm sure I would recognize them in person.

Guess I'll post this here. Oakland got it handed to them tonight at Milwaukee, lost 84-67. Which basically knocks them out of contention to win the league.

Yea I'm sure there were more like 15 or so at that game.  The only people that I know that I know on the board are vuweathernerd (where's he been on the board?), rford2009, and Dave_2010.  Maybe I would recognize some faces.  I am good friends with "Orange Shirt Kid" as we were both Theo majors.  He is soon to be ordained in the ELCA while I am a pastor in the UMC.  I finally convinced him to come to a game against Purdue and immediately regretted it.  ML and the staff tried very hard to keep him away from games...lol.  Dude was and still is crazy. 

Quote from: govalpogo on February 10, 2015, 09:16:19 PMML and the staff tried very hard to keep him away from games...lol.

wow really?  yikes.  i had no idea they really did stuff like that, though I heard a rumor a while back.


EVERYONE!  I HAVE FINALLY DEDUCED WHY OAKLAND NEVER GETS CALLED FOR ANY FOULS!

not even when they are ON THE ROAD!!

are you READY for some TRUTH BOMBS and possibly MORE upper cAse leTTers?

...because it's hard to get whistled for anything WHEN YOU'RE NOT PLAYING DEFENSE.

(http://www.troll.me/images/10-guy/dude-whoa.jpg)

We often have spirited back-and-forth posts with members of other teams' boards, including the recent give-and-take with Grizz, and sometimes we forget the many friendly interactions with fans from around the league. Therefore, I thought I'd share this positive post that appeared on the Oakland fan board:


Enjoyed my second visit to the ARC on Sunday. It's a terrific mid-major basketball atmosphere — all that's good about hoops in Indiana.Knowledgable Valpo fans came early, wearing their brown and gold, and they filled the lower bowl. The adults and students stood for the opening tip and didn't sit until the Crusaders scored. The crowd appeared to skew a little bit older than Oakland's fan base. I saw a lot of people who appeared to be my contemporaries — in their 60s. I guess that shouldn't be surprising considering the school's basketball tradition.Legendary coach Homer Drew sat in the stands, opposite the Crusaders bench.I wore my Oakland gear prominently, and everybody was friendly and welcoming. The food was good and inexpensive. I paid $3.50 for an surprisingly enjoyable pulled-chicken sandwich. There was adequate free parking close to the field house.Just wish our guys had made more plays in crunch time. Valpo did. And the fans responded loudly.

The main problem I see with Oakland is the philosophy of playing time.  If they don't receive the 2 byes it will be difficult due to the large amount minutes their starters play. 

Next year they will be loaded with talent with a couple transfers and an older K. Felder and Hayes.  Regardless of talent, if we have 10 teams with travel partners they better develop a bench. 

Quote from: valpopal on February 11, 2015, 09:37:27 AM
We often have spirited back-and-forth posts with members of other teams' boards, including the recent give-and-take with Grizz, and sometimes we forget the many friendly interactions with fans from around the league. Therefore, I thought I'd share this positive post that appeared on the Oakland fan board:


Enjoyed my second visit to the ARC on Sunday. It's a terrific mid-major basketball atmosphere — all that's good about hoops in Indiana.Knowledgable Valpo fans came early, wearing their brown and gold, and they filled the lower bowl. The adults and students stood for the opening tip and didn't sit until the Crusaders scored. The crowd appeared to skew a little bit older than Oakland's fan base. I saw a lot of people who appeared to be my contemporaries — in their 60s. I guess that shouldn't be surprising considering the school's basketball tradition.Legendary coach Homer Drew sat in the stands, opposite the Crusaders bench.I wore my Oakland gear prominently, and everybody was friendly and welcoming. The food was good and inexpensive. I paid $3.50 for an surprisingly enjoyable pulled-chicken sandwich. There was adequate free parking close to the field house.Just wish our guys had made more plays in crunch time. Valpo did. And the fans responded loudly.

Old news.  See my post on page 6!!   ;D

Quote from: vu72 on February 11, 2015, 10:51:06 AM

Quote from: valpopal on February 11, 2015, 09:37:27 AM
We often have spirited back-and-forth posts with members of other teams' boards, including the recent give-and-take with Grizz, and sometimes we forget the many friendly interactions with fans from around the league. Therefore, I thought I'd share this positive post that appeared on the Oakland fan board:


Enjoyed my second visit to the ARC on Sunday. It's a terrific mid-major basketball atmosphere — all that's good about hoops in Indiana.Knowledgable Valpo fans came early, wearing their brown and gold, and they filled the lower bowl. The adults and students stood for the opening tip and didn't sit until the Crusaders scored. The crowd appeared to skew a little bit older than Oakland's fan base. I saw a lot of people who appeared to be my contemporaries — in their 60s. I guess that shouldn't be surprising considering the school's basketball tradition.Legendary coach Homer Drew sat in the stands, opposite the Crusaders bench.I wore my Oakland gear prominently, and everybody was friendly and welcoming. The food was good and inexpensive. I paid $3.50 for an surprisingly enjoyable pulled-chicken sandwich. There was adequate free parking close to the field house.Just wish our guys had made more plays in crunch time. Valpo did. And the fans responded loudly.

Old news.  See my post on page 6!!   ;D

Sorry, I missed that first time around. However, I guess good news is worth repeating!  ;)

I remembered it too, but I still read on, hoping it was a different one : )