I thought I would start this thread because this game comes up 2 days after the Valpo/Detroit game this Thursday. I just got done watching the Wright State at Loyola game played in Chicago that the Raiders barely pulled out at the end of the game by one point. The key for Valpo seems to be is to shut down the Raiders' point guard Reggie Arceneaux. He hit several big three pointers at the end of the game. Also Wright State played much tougher defense then Valpo did down the stretch against Loyola. So Valpo's offense will need to meet the challenge that Wright State presents on the defensive end.
I still believe WSU's record is misleading at this point in the conference season. Just like Loyola, they are a middle of the pack team in the HL this year. Yes, we lost to Loyola at home, but I don't see this happening at WSU. I see us hitting our shots, and Rowdy taking over again.
Valpo 75
WSU 63
I agree Wright State is a fraud. Their only chance is Valpo's quick turnaround and tired legs.
Quote from: valpotx on January 14, 2013, 05:31:31 PMbut I don't see this happening at WSU
FYI, the game is at Valpo. Maybe you meant "against WSU."
Well crap, I was thinking our next two were on the road for some reason
Quote from: HC on January 14, 2013, 06:08:28 PM
I agree Wright State is a fraud. Their only chance is Valpo's quick turnaround and tired legs.
HC - The thing I respect about WSU since we've been in the league is they win the games they're supposed to win, something that we're struggled with for years. Granted they've played a pretty weak schedule, but the fact remains they're 12-4 with only 1 bad loss - Bowling Green. It's pretty hard to criticize that, especially considering they were picked to finish dead last in conference. Just my .02.
I think there is a very good chance that we lose this game. Tough game at Detroit followed by not getting home until really late Thursday night. Meanwhile, a very good coaching staff at WSU gets 8 full days to focus on just one opponent. I do not understand why they did not schedule the Valpo @ Detroit game for Wednesday night? UIC and Loyola play on Wednesday night. So UIC gets an extra day to prepare before heading on the road to Detroit to play on Saturday. This makes absolutely no sense. Technically Valpo is at home, but we have to travel just as far to get there as WSU does. We are only going to beat them to Valpo by like 14 hours.
I would hate to see us lose a hard fought and well played game to Detroit by 2 or 3 points, followed by coming home to a poor shooting night (dead legs) to once again lose by 2 or 3 points. However, it is definitely possible.
The reason for the scheduling issue is the almighty dollars brought by ESPN to televise a game that is more desired by their TV viewing college basketball fans. It seems each Thursday they choose one of the games that normally would be played on Wednesday but gets moved to Thursday because that is when ESPN has time for the Horizon League. It's either move the game to Thursday or the HL isn't on ESPN that week.
Here is ESPN's schedule for Wednesday night:
1/16 8:00 PM EST Houston Rockets vs Dallas Mavericks ESPN
1/16 7:00 PM EST #14 NC State vs. Maryland ESPN2
1/16 7:00 PM EST Pittsburgh vs. Villanova ESPNU
1/16 9:00 PM EST West Virginia vs. Iowa State ESPN2
1/16 9:00 PM EST #16 Kansas State vs. TCU ESPNU
1/16 11:00 PM EST St. Mary's (CA.) vs. BYU ESPNU
Quote from: bbtds on January 15, 2013, 05:34:16 PMThe reason for the scheduling issue is the almighty dollars brought by ESPN to televise a game
And everything else desirable that comes with being on national TV, of course.
I have a feeling if the situation were reversed and we were the team with 8 days rest, someone would be expressing a concern that we may come out flat on Saturday because of too much time off between games. Every failure has a ready-made excuse. If we can't overcome an unfavorable glitch in the schedule to win a HOME game with a day to recover, it will be all about mental toughness, not tired legs.
Our guys are 21-22 years old and we have a deep bench....I'm going to dismiss my tired legs statement (unless they go double OT Thursday) because they should have no trouble recooperating.
nothin' but respect for the Section EE, but I just had to recooperate with MY MAN:
(http://youritlist.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/hangin-with-mr-cooper.jpg)
I don't know what the guys at the HL were smoking when they created these schedules, but they seem really unfair and not well thought out. I can't wait until we add some more teams and fix the scheduling.
For Wright State we had 3 home games, followed by 4 away games, I can't believe the league isn't smart enough to even it out a little so nobody plays that many consecutive games either home or away. This week after not playing all week, we go to Valpo Saturday, Go to Detroit Monday and then go to YSU on Thursday and finally return home on Saturday to face UIC. That's absolutely crazy, after not playing in 8 days.
But anyhow, I'm looking forward to the game on Saturday with you guys. This league is crazy this year, if you do not show up to play well either home or way, you will get beat. I think its possible for the league champ this year to have 5 conference losses. I picked Valpo to win the league this year early on, but after seeing my Raiders play, I'm not counting them out, and you never know which Detroit team is going to show up. It should be a fun and entertaining year this year. Good Luck and hopefully your game with Detroit goes into many overtimes. ;D
Quote from: HC on January 15, 2013, 06:41:30 PM
Our guys are 21-22 years old and we have a deep bench....I'm going to dismiss my tired legs statement (unless they go double OT Thursday) because they should have no trouble recooperating.
I agree, unless you have a real injury, tired legs should never be an excuse at that age. It felt like I could play forever back then lol
Too bad no capo for this critical game. I totally agree that refs need to control the physicality of a game ... However, I do not think that a ref should be able to make a call "during" a game that affects a future game. Following the game when emotion and perspective changes - fine...
Watching replays of Capo' foul I think he was going for where the ball was. The refs make a call affecting the next game on a screen the size of my f¥#€ing i-pad. How about getting to a better screen. Actually - this stopping play because someone got hit is stupid and inconsistently applied - Kevin got hit square in the face during the Detroit game - it was obvious and no call ... I replayed to make sure it was what I thought I saw a few times. (Of course he just kept playing...) Now, with this stoppage of play for review, we see at least one player holding his head during every game. I just do not agree that it was a flagrant 2 (flagrant 1 - definitely.) (@ SMJ steps down from his soap box... @)
I still think we will do well against Wright Stink.. (Damn autocorrect ;) ) I meant Wright "State".
Be interesting to know whether there is any post-game video review, as well...i.e., do they have the league office review such a thing, and could they decide it was a flagrant-1, and rescind the suspension?
Wishful thinking, perhaps. But the NBA does things like that sometimes.
Clearly, Anderson created the impression of a more flagrant foul when he pulled the ball back in an effort at showboating with a windmill dunk. Bobby was going to commit the foul, but he was swiping at where the ball should have been had Anderson simply gone straight up for the dunk. Unfortunately, the contributing factor of the hotdog action by Anderson didn't fit into the analysis by the officials.
Let's hope that this doesn't effect the outcome of the Wright State game. Kevin has got to be exhausted and sore after last night's game, and he is going to need some help off the bench from Vashil tomorrow.
Quote from: valpopal on January 18, 2013, 09:23:39 AM
Clearly, Anderson created the impression of a more flagrant foul when he pulled the ball back in an effort at showboating with a windmill dunk. Bobby was going to commit the foul, but he was swiping at where the ball should have been had Anderson simply gone straight up for the dunk. Unfortunately, the contributing factor of the hotdog action by Anderson didn't fit into the analysis by the officials.
Let's hope that this doesn't effect the outcome of the Wright State game. Kevin has got to be exhausted and sore after last night's game, and he is going to need some help off the bench from Vashil tomorrow.
I know! Capo was just going to foul legitimately, and maybe get the flagrant 1 at worst. But of course Anderson, being the showboater he is, goes for a windmill dunk. In that sense, I feel he got what he deserved. He could have gone for a normal dunk and not gotten hurt as badly.
Also, a lot of credit goes to Bobby for hustling down court to catch up with the much faster Anderson, who admittedly slowed himself a bit at the end by going for the theatrical windmill dunk. The fact Bobby never gave up on a play he easily could have is admirable and should not be overlooked.
I think we will be fine without bobby. Kvw is the real deal...and if him, rowdy, buggs, and kenney do their thing...should be a blow out.
Valpo 80
Wright st 65
Here is another take from the Detroit perspective on Bobby's foul of Anderson, even calls it "the dirtiest play of the basketball season." Once again, there seems to be no effort to analyze closely and see that Anderson contributed to the collision by attempting the windmill dunk for the ESPN highlights, which also would have been an act of showing up Valpo. Thankfully, Bobby stopped him or else Detroit would have added 2 points, the crowd would have erupted with energy, and Valpo might be demoralized. Thus, this was an important turning point in the game.
Even looking at the clips here, one can see Anderson's attempt to showboat helped create the harsh collision:
http://guyism.com/sports/valparaiso-goons-it-up-in-dirtiest-play-of-the-college-basketball-season.html (http://guyism.com/sports/valparaiso-goons-it-up-in-dirtiest-play-of-the-college-basketball-season.html)
If they think that he intentionally did that, they don't know basketball. Anderson created the foul by being a showboat as others mentioned. It goes in line with the rest of the team, even though it is fun to watch him dunk. Bobby is not coordinated enough to adjust his attempted block, as you can clearly see he was swatting where the ball WAS 0.5 seconds beforehand. He did have a mad look on his face, but even his reaction said that he didn't do it on purpose. That blog or whatever it is, belongs to a moron if they think that was the dirtiest play, or even a dirty play at all
Quote from: truth219 on January 18, 2013, 12:23:23 PM
I think we will be fine without bobby. Kvw is the real deal...and if him, rowdy, buggs, and kenney do their thing...should be a blow out.
Valpo 80
Wright st 65
Well, it looks like somebody is starting to change their tune.
Quote from: valpopal on January 18, 2013, 09:51:15 AM
Also, a lot of credit goes to Bobby for hustling down court to catch up with the much faster Anderson, who admittedly slowed himself a bit at the end by going for the theatrical windmill dunk. The fact Bobby never gave up on a play he easily could have is admirable and should not be overlooked.
I loved the play and the toughness. We have been complaining for years that we need more physical bigs. Well, we finally have them in KVW and Bobby and both paid big dividends last night.
The early line is Valpo - 7.5-8.5
This might have been the "hardest foul" for VU since Tony Vilcincias.
I have looked at the video and agree that this was not a flagrant foul. Hard? Yes.
It was brought on by the type of shot (windmill dunk) taken.
It really seems fishy to me to "blame" Andersen for not putting the ball where Capo expected it.
I don't think Capo planned to miss the ball. But he was clearly out of control. You can't blame Andersen for that. It's not his responsibility to move the ball predictably.
If the shoe was on the other foot let's say if coleman went for a dunk and anderson fouled the same way...we wouldn't feel bad he got a technical foul....it is what it is...btw bobby looked better with longer hair. Not that I care but he probably wouldn't have been called a goon on whatever that link was
If one of our guys was fouled the same way, I would not have minded a flagrant 1 at all. A flagrant 2 is a bit much, as it is saying that he did not make an active effort for the ball. Bobby made an effort for the ball, but was too slow to adjust. It was a hard foul and deserved a flagrant, but a level 1, not 2
I am not blaming Andersen and it is obvious Capo just wanted to block the ball and keep him from getting an "and 1". I just think that making that call on a screen the size of an iPad is not the best policy. I think the video showing the foul (calling it dirty) actually shows that Capo was swinging for the ball. I would definitely be happy to see our competition get technicals however, I just want fair and consistent calls...
(Added: if you have "ESPN3 Replay" check out the Minnerath foul on Kevin at 46.8 left in the game. He hits Kevin in the face (swinging) no stoppage for review... Why?)
Again - I think we will win Saturday as long as the refs don't call tic-tac $h1t on Kevin. I think Kevin will bounce back and I don't see anyone else being that tired from the Detroit game. GO VALPO!!!
(Probably time to prepare for tomorrow - how will Vashil do?)
It was a flagrant 2 no doubt. He didn't mean to get him around the neck but he did and the rules are pretty clear. Still, I loved the hustle and the idea of a hard foul to keep from the emotional high that dunk would've created
Valpo worked the ball to Van Wijk really well but on many occasions both Capo and Van Wijk were left wide open under the basket. Capo, when he was in the game, capitalized on those occasions he was left open sometimes. Other times he threw up shots too slowly or did not put himself in a position to score. Van Wijk on the other hand, in this game, almost always took advantage of being open and squared himself up to the basket and made great plays to score. Kevin really had a great night.
You won't see Billy Donlon, who is a much much better coach than Ray McCallum, leaving Van Wijk that open. Valpo should be able to hold down Wright State defensively enough to not need Van Wijk to score that many points. The key for the Crusaders will be to not turn the ball over as much as they did against Detroit. Of course if Matt Kenney and Will Bogan can hit 5 threes between them that will go a long way in helping Valpo win too.
Quote from: HC on January 18, 2013, 09:28:13 PM
It was a flagrant 2 no doubt. He didn't mean to get him around the neck but he did and the rules are pretty clear. Still, I loved the hustle and the idea of a hard foul to keep from the emotional high that dunk would've created
I agree. It was a flangrant 2 because Capo just didn't control himself well enough and hit Anderson high in the neck. I think if the collision would have happened closer to the basket while Anderson was actually coming down with the ball for the dunk the refs might have only called a flagrant 1.
I also loved the fact that Capo hustled back and did what he had to do to stop Anderson from slamming. It said to the whole Detroit team, coaching staff and fans that Valpo said "NO, NOT AGAINST VALPO!" "You're not going to celebrate that play and take a bigger lead when we know we can still come back in this game."
First place on the line for the Crusaders
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/first-place-on-the-line-for-crusaders/article_f1cd0a0e-126a-573e-9e7e-e377f4aa2358.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/first-place-on-the-line-for-crusaders/article_f1cd0a0e-126a-573e-9e7e-e377f4aa2358.html)
Saw Valpo is an 8.5 point favorite. Let's get that cover!
Quote from: wh on January 18, 2013, 10:00:51 PM
First place on the line for the Crusaders
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/first-place-on-the-line-for-crusaders/article_f1cd0a0e-126a-573e-9e7e-e377f4aa2358.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/first-place-on-the-line-for-crusaders/article_f1cd0a0e-126a-573e-9e7e-e377f4aa2358.html)
You think we cover? Little rest, no Bobby, against a determined and well coach team with 1st place on the line? I know its at home and we are the better team but with the variables just mentioned, do we win by 9? I hope so.....
I see that NolansRPI shows Wright State with a 313 SOS rating (Valpo is 246). Best win was opening day road win against #153 Idaho; losses to #160 Central Michigan (neutral site), #170 Utah and #286 Bowling Green...and a 10-point loss at Cincinnati. They did beat Loyola... and that's their only win against a team with a winning D-1 record. They have played 4 teams with RPIs worse that 306. We've played 1 (UWM, at 308)
Comparing Common opponents... They beat UWM by 2 (Valpo by 24); they beat CSU by 9 (Valpo by 24) and Loyola by 2 (Valpo lost by 9)...I'm thinking the 8-point spread isn't enough... Valpo to cover with room to spare.
Donlon was right... the schedulers were not really kind to them... Valpo tonight; @ Detroit on Monday and @ Youngstown on Wednesday.
Other HL Action today:
ESPN "Game of the week" (cough cough) Cleveland State at Green Bay... Green Bay by 8
UIC at Detroit.... Detroit starts a new home court win streak... Titans by 6
Youngstown State at Milwaukee... (who cares?)... 'Guins add more misery to UWM... Youngstown by 22
(Loyola Travels to Chicago State tomorrow on ESPN3)
Agree, they stink at rebounding and shooting. Their defense is not bad, they have only given up 60+ 4 times, they are 2-2 in those game. I think Valpo can easily cover. I think Valpo can get by playing Vashil to rest Kevin or go small and be just fine.
Side note: I think Will Bogan is going to hit 4 3's tonight, probably from the corners, as I think his man will be the one trying to help down on KVW during those pick and roles.
I have not really been able to watch a Wright State game yet this year. Limit our turnovers and stay out of foul trouble and I think we will get a "W". I would love to see a big night from Vashil since we will need him to backup Kevin.
Our confidence really seems to be growing. (So important to pull out wins when you aren't supposed to.)
Quote from: HC on January 18, 2013, 09:28:13 PM
It was a flagrant 2 no doubt. He didn't mean to get him around the neck but he did and the rules are pretty clear. Still, I loved the hustle and the idea of a hard foul to keep from the emotional high that dunk would've created
It wasn't done with intent to harm and it wasn't a cheap shot, but it was a Flagrant 2 as the rules are written.
Think about it--if Anderson wasn't such a hotdog and just layed the ball in, or, heaven forbid, just simply stuffed it in, then--Detroit has one more point (he made one of two on the foul shots) and, we go to OT and then, who knows...
I just re-watched some of the 2nd half of the Detroit game with particular focus on what Bobby was doing. He did a lot of good things defensively while he was in there, scored a couple of important hoops, set some hard picks, and of course committed the foul that turned the game. All of this to say that I am more than a little concerned about not having him available tonight.
Quote from: vu72 on January 19, 2013, 10:04:12 AM
Think about it--if Anderson wasn't such a hotdog and just layed the ball in, or, heaven forbid, just simply stuffed it in, then--Detroit has one more point (he made one of two on the foul shots) and, we go to OT and then, who knows...
Actually, Detroit would have had one more point and Valpo would have had two fewer points because Ryan would not have had the pair of technical free throws from when Calliste said something to Bobby.
Don't be surprised if we see Bobby in uniform tonight. HL Commissioner was at the game in Detroit I believe and if so he saw it all first hand and could take away the one game suspension.
Quote from: valpo4life on January 19, 2013, 11:39:11 AM
Don't be surprised if we see Bobby in uniform tonight. HL Commissioner was at the game in Detroit I believe and if so he saw it all first hand and could take away the one game suspension.
Interesting. It never was confirmed that Capo would be suspended for tonight's game. I sure hope Commissioner LeCrone decides against the suspension.
Quote from: valpo4life on January 19, 2013, 11:39:11 AM
Don't be surprised if we see Bobby in uniform tonight. HL Commissioner was at the game in Detroit I believe and if so he saw it all first hand and could take away the one game suspension.
Googling around, some sites seemed to say it was at the league's discretion, some that it was automatic.
Anyone have a definitive source? I don't know where the HL would announce something like this. Maybe only to the teams and officials involved?
Quote from: valpopal on January 18, 2013, 12:46:29 PM
Here is another take from the Detroit perspective on Bobby's foul of Anderson, even calls it "the dirtiest play of the basketball season." Once again, there seems to be no effort to analyze closely and see that Anderson contributed to the collision by attempting the windmill dunk for the ESPN highlights, which also would have been an act of showing up Valpo. Thankfully, Bobby stopped him or else Detroit would have added 2 points, the crowd would have erupted with energy, and Valpo might be demoralized. Thus, this was an important turning point in the game.
Even looking at the clips here, one can see Anderson's attempt to showboat helped create the harsh collision:
http://guyism.com/sports/valparaiso-goons-it-up-in-dirtiest-play-of-the-college-basketball-season.html (http://guyism.com/sports/valparaiso-goons-it-up-in-dirtiest-play-of-the-college-basketball-season.html)
This website,
Busted Coverage, says "no, Capobianco should not be suspended."
http://bustedcoverage.com/2013/01/18/is-this-foul-from-valpos-bobby-capobianco-a-cheap-shot-nope-video/ (http://bustedcoverage.com/2013/01/18/is-this-foul-from-valpos-bobby-capobianco-a-cheap-shot-nope-video/)
Quote from: vu72 on January 19, 2013, 10:04:12 AM
Think about it--if Anderson wasn't such a hotdog and just layed the ball in, or, heaven forbid, just simply stuffed it in, then--Detroit has one more point (he made one of two on the foul shots) and, we go to OT and then, who knows...
I don't care if Anderson is a hotdog, he's the most athletic and exciting player in college basketball and you all can't just hate on him because you think he showboats or he's a thug. I don't think he is, he just does what he needs to do and that is throw it down in your face and get the arena pumped up. His dunks are sick, Bobby deserved to get ejected, stupid foul in my opinion. Let him go instead of endangering the safety of an opposing player. It was a cheapshot, and all the websites are correct by saying it was a cheapshot.
I'm not concerned if bobby plays or not. I wouldn't mind seeing vashil in there. He handled a nice bounce pass in milwaukee that ended with a dunk. Kevin will be solid and we will get some 3s. We haven't had the arc rockin this year yet and I hope that happens tonight. If the boys can get the crowd into the game that will help their confidence.
A flagrant 2 foul does not automatically result in a suspension for the next game, unless it involved fighting. Otherwise it is at the discretion of the conference as to whether or not a suspension is warranted. If the conference was going to suspend a player there would be a public announcement about it. The fact that there has been no announcement yet leads me to believe that Bobby will be eligible to play tonight.
Quote from: valpofan11 on January 19, 2013, 12:54:01 PM
Quote from: vu72 on January 19, 2013, 10:04:12 AM
Think about it--if Anderson wasn't such a hotdog and just layed the ball in, or, heaven forbid, just simply stuffed it in, then--Detroit has one more point (he made one of two on the foul shots) and, we go to OT and then, who knows...
I don't care if Anderson is a hotdog, he's the most athletic and exciting player in college basketball and you all can't just hate on him because you think he showboats or he's a thug. I don't think he is, he just does what he needs to do and that is throw it down in your face and get the arena pumped up. His dunks are sick, Bobby deserved to get ejected, stupid foul in my opinion. Let him go instead of endangering the safety of an opposing player. It was a cheapshot, and all the websites are correct by saying it was a cheapshot.
First, nobody is hating Anderson or suggesting he's a thug. We admire his athletic ability. All we are saying is that Anderson made a misjudgment because he thought he was clear for the windmill dunk, but Bobby caught him because of Anderson's slowing to make the showboat play. Also, the double-clutch to make the windmill dunk helped cause the greater collision between the players.
Also, I'm not sure of your definition of a "stupid foul"; however, as it turns out, it was the smartest foul of the season. Anderson did not get the two points for the dunk. The crowd and his teammates were deprived the excitement and energy the dunk would have created. Anderson only made one of the two free throws, while Ryan made both technical foul shots that came from the play, and then the Titans threw away the in-bounds pass, which resulted in another basket for Valpo. Outcome of the foul: 1 point for Detroit, 4 points for Valpo, plus no surge of energy for the Titans and their fans; instead, a shift in momentum toward Valpo, which continued to grow and helped the Crusaders win the game. Finally, Kevin was forced to play more minutes at the end of the game, which he converted into a career high in scoring.
Results indicate this was the best foul in a long time!
Quote from: truth219 on January 19, 2013, 01:14:11 PM
I'm not concerned if bobby plays or not. I wouldn't mind seeing vashil in there. He handled a nice bounce pass in milwaukee that ended with a dunk. Kevin will be solid and we will get some 3s. We haven't had the arc rockin this year yet and I hope that happens tonight. If the boys can get the crowd into the game that will help their confidence.
I'd say there was a pretty good crowd for the NIU game, up to you whether you'd call it "rocking". Should be plenty of people tonight though. Saturday night, first place on the line against an upstart undefeated team. Now if only the NHL didn't start on the same night....
1. I have zero problem with the flagrant 2 call and the ejection. I think the point with Anderson is that he created the conditions for the call with his intention to do the windmill dunk, and that perhaps Bobby didn't have enough time to react. A case can be made that he was anticipating where the ball would be shot from and reached for that point, and he couldn't just pull back at the last microsecond. I have a problem with Mike DeCourcy highlighting this play as exhibit A for his current thesis about banning hard fouls, but I don't blame the ref one bit for calling it a flagrant 2.
2. Lost in this whole discussion is that if Bobby had been more aggressive in moving *toward* the pass, the steal wouldn't have happened in the first place. The pass may not have been great, but he could have helped save it. From what I saw, I think he is partly to blame for the turnover that created the breakaway in the first place.
3. Separate impression, based on nothing concrete that I can point to: That foul was a committed by someone with a Big-Time mentality, someone who is used to playing at a high level and who is not shy on the court but also is not overly emotional about making a huge play. I saw the "business as usual" mindset at work there. I'm probably describing it badly, and I might even be wrong, but there was something there that kind of impressed me for some reason.
4. That guyism link I don't take seriously. Just the name of the website says it all to me. If it was Rush The Court or ESPN or CBS College Sports, that would be different. In fact, the "guy" ended his post on a light-hearted note anyway. I don't think it's anything to get worried about.
It will be nice to have the students back
Bobby needs a standing O when he enters the game...
Amen to that truth
Standing o Wednesday night when checks in
Quote from: HC on January 19, 2013, 01:59:13 PM
Amen to that truth
Standing o Wednesday night when checks in
I was thinking the same thing, and prolonged applause for KVW during intro of the starting lineup!
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
Who said Bobby C. won't be Saturdays game?
RS, it's a question is up in the air, due to his ejection, usually that means the offender is out of the next game, but since Flagrant 2 is such a new rule, no one is really sure if Bobby is in or out of tonight's game. I'm just going to save my breath on it until tonight's game. If he's in uniform, then we've received our answer to this question.
Quote from: valpofan11 on January 19, 2013, 12:54:01 PM
I don't care if Anderson is a hotdog, he's the most athletic and exciting player in college basketball
If you think he's the most athletic and exciting player in college basketball, you probably don't watch enough college basketball.
There is a reason he plays for Detroit and not, oh, Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, Indiana ... name your big-time school.
He can't shoot free throws and he rarely hits outside jumpers. If he was the most athletic player in college basketball, he would be able to do those things more consistently.
For the most part, Anderson is a very one-dimensional scoring threat. If he can get to the rim for a dunk, Anderson is great, but away from the rim, he's almost as good as Buggs. Also, is my memory real sketchy, or did he we go the entire Detroit game without an illegal screen called against us? We've had so many of them called this season, and for whatever reason, it seemed that none were called against us Thursday night.
Quote from: wh on January 19, 2013, 01:58:11 PM
Bobby needs a standing O when he enters the game...
Couldn't agree more ... Bobby and that play set the tone for the comeback and the fans should show their approval. I won't happen, but it would be really classy if Bryce would give him the start to recognize his effort and to encourage more spirited plays like that one.
As I've mentioned several times, Capobianco is a huge upgrade over Edwards and the team is benefiting from it.
Coach Drew doing some recruiting . . . of fans for the Wright State game: 300 of these shirts also to be given to students at the game.
Bryce Drew's Message to Students (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTVjAmT75RQ#ws)
It was Kevin's best screen setting game of his career!
Not sure what athleticism has to do with hitting jumpers, regardless...he is without doubt the best dunker in the game.
Capo is playing tonight!
Capo was completely in the right for playing until the whistle. You never 'just let someone go' if you have a chance to possibly make a play
down by 4 at halftime.....
final: 69-63 good guys!! manage to pull it out with hot shooting from rowdy in the last few minutes. kid's got ice in his veins. mad props to matt kenney as well - hit a pair of clutch 3s to stop the bleeding and allow valpo to crawl back in, once in each half.
edit: just checked the stats - we had 16 assists to only 7 turnovers. that's how you win a game right there.
Matt Kenney really did step up, but the clutch performance has to go to Broekhoff! He put the team on his back at the end. I'm sure koala feels immensely proud to watch her son play like that!
Rowdy shows why he is POY
Why didn't Cappo play very many minutes???
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 19, 2013, 09:10:37 PM
Rowdy shows why he is POY
Why didn't Cappo play very many minutes???
don't know for sure, but when he was in, his defense was not that great. there were a couple stretches where we went small as well, as rowdy was the tallest guy on the floor.
Was following on my phone, looked like we trailed throughout until an 11-4 run to end it?
Quote from: vuweathernerd on January 19, 2013, 09:12:35 PM
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 19, 2013, 09:10:37 PM
Rowdy shows why he is POY
Why didn't Cappo play very many minutes???
don't know for sure, but when he was in, his defense was not that great. there were a couple stretches where we went small as well, as rowdy was the tallest guy on the floor.
Bryce must have seen that this game was not to Cappo's style or advantage....I thought it would be as the game was basically half court. Only 2 fast break points.
Doesn't matter, we are in 1st place. Back to back come from behind games. I thought we would be 4-1 in conference play but did not think it would be a home lost to Loyola.
What can you say - that was awesome.... I thought WSU was just having an easy start - nope they look tough. Our team just wanted to win it more - way to go Valpo!!!
7 for 7 at the end - wow!
Take lead with about a minute (little earlier than last game)
Clutch all over the place - definitely looking like a veteran team...
PS the ARC was EXTREMELY loud during the last 2 or 3 minutes of the game. It was a definite advantage because up 1 at the end WSU had no clue how much time was on the clock and had to take a poor shot that led to Rowdy hitting one of the most clutch shots he has had in a while.
What looked to hurt us was the time between games WSU had compared us with their subbing in fresh legs often, but our collective fight overtook their fresh legs! Great wins this week!
Quote from: vuweathernerd on January 19, 2013, 09:06:55 PMwe had 16 assists to only 7 turnovers. that's how you win a game right there.
Truer words were never spoken. I almost fell over when I saw we only had 4 turnovers in the first half. I was wondering if h*ll had actually frozen over. Then to better that and have only 3 turnovers in the 2nd half---wow!!!!
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 19, 2013, 09:16:41 PM
Quote from: vuweathernerd on January 19, 2013, 09:12:35 PM
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 19, 2013, 09:10:37 PM
Rowdy shows why he is POY
Why didn't Cappo play very many minutes???
don't know for sure, but when he was in, his defense was not that great. there were a couple stretches where we went small as well, as rowdy was the tallest guy on the floor.
Bryce must have seen that this game was not to Cappo's style or advantage....I thought it would be as the game was basically half court. Only 2 fast break points.
Doesn't matter, we are in 1st place. Back to back come from behind games. I thought we would be 4-1 in conference play but did not think it would be a home lost to Loyola.
Valpo is now 5-1 in conference.
Congrats on a nice comeback. Good luck til we meet again in the Nutter Center.
Quote from: vuweathernerd on January 19, 2013, 09:12:35 PMthere were a couple stretches where we went small as well, as rowdy was the tallest guy on the floor.
Some of those small line-ups were strange. Coleman, Dority, Kenney, Buggs, Capo. That sort of thing. Didn't make me very comfortable.
I think it was a critical game from a fan support level. For whatever reason the ARC was as full as I've seen (on TV) as I've seen other than a Purdue or Butler game. To lose this game would have sent a terrible message to the fans. This win could lead to bigger crowds! Let's hope so!
Pretty odd bench statistics tonight. One field goal. One free throw. Eight fouls. That's it. (OK, five missed field goal attempts and two missed free throws.) 30 or more minutes from all five starters.
Closer than I had liked but great win. Capo was slow on both ends of the court...he was getting burned bad on offense. Dority once again was a none factor. He had nothing to offer tonight. Boggs was even blah. Our starting 5 are our best 5 for sure. Buggs was blazing fast out of the gate and kvw was so solid in the first half and was a presence in the second. Rowdy took over in the second half. Kenney and bogan were so clutch. When those two get rolling so does the rest of the team. Hate to say it but the less mins bobby and dority get the better chance we have ay winning
Did anyone else notice that the refs pretty much swallowed their whistles in the first half (on one play Buggs gets knocked down and slides out of bounds and the 2 refs closest to the baseline don't make any call at all and finally the ref trailing the play must have thought "what the heck, you guys gotta call something" and blows his whistle way after Buggs finally stopped way out of bounds).
Then in the 2nd half the game completely changed because the refs suddenly decided they needed to call some fouls. Some fouls, I say, not all of the fouls.
Quote from: vu72 on January 19, 2013, 10:06:38 PM
I think it was a critical game from a fan support level. For whatever reason the ARC was as full as I've seen (on TV) as I've seen other than a Purdue or Butler game. To lose this game would have sent a terrible message to the fans. This win could lead to bigger crowds! Let's hope so!
Who says you have to have Butler to have big crowds and a great atmosphere. It was a big crowd and everyone was into the game big time. The student section was packed to the rafters and wearing the shirts shown in the video that you posted earlier. They were into it from beginning to end. The noise was deafening after every crucial 3 and other clutch plays down the stretch. It was an awesome 2 hours of rocking entertainment.
Headline from ValpoAthletics.com for the game web story, pretty much sums up the week if not the season
QuoteAnother Day, Another Comeback for First-Place Crusaders
As SID Aaron Leavitt likes to say after a win, "Ho Hum"
A lot of credit has to go to the WSU coaching staff and players. They worked their butts off on defense to take away our strengths and force people not named Rowdy or KVW to step up. They really had Ryan bottled up all night before he went off in the last 4 or 5 minutes, which is what great players can do. They ran some great sets on offense and milked the clock to get the best shot they could. They definitely are the real deal.
As others have mentioned, the atmosphere at the ARC tonight was fantastic. The student section was packed and very loud the entire game. The upper levels were just about full, and down on the court the noise from all sides was incredible. The team kept their composure even when down just as we'd hoped to see from experienced seniors at this time of the season.
Bogan and Kenney hit some key three-pointers, Kevin was steady throughout the game, and down the stretch Ryan showed why he is the best player in the conference. Although not a big team, Wright State played tough defense, and the action in the paint was very rough. Therefore, I was pleased but surprised there weren't more turnovers. Kevin and Ryan were mauled on almost every play, especially in the second half, but the refs swallowed their whistles most of the time. On one drive, Ryan nearly had his face rearranged, yet no foul was called.
Still, the house was rocking all night, and when the final buzzer sounded, players and fans celebrated. In fact, I think Kevin set a career high for a vertical leap in the following photo I took as the team left the court in victory. Coach Powell even seems surprised:
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Quote from: bballraider on January 19, 2013, 10:01:05 PM
Congrats on a nice comeback. Good luck til we meet again in the Nutter Center.
Good luck on the rest of your year. At least until Valpo plays your team at the Nutter Center. Since I live in Indy I've been to 3 games at the Nutter Center. The first one was a Valpo win in our first Horizon League game ever.
How did you feel about tonight's game?
Our 69 points is the 2nd highest point total WSU has given up in 18 games this year.
Looks like Capo set a new pb for the jump too
Quote from: valpopal on January 19, 2013, 11:14:40 PMKevin and Ryan were mauled on almost every play, especially in the second half, but the refs swallowed their whistles most of the time. On one drive, Ryan nearly had his face rearranged, yet no foul was called.
Here is my photo of Ryan holding his face during that play when he was slammed during a drive, and he had to make the shot without seeing clearly the basket; yet, no foul was called.
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Love the crowd !! For those who were not there... yes, that's a legit photo!... the folks who had those 10 empty seats in "CC" must have been at the concession stand.
I wish I would have caught this before the game.
It's an ESPN.com story on how Wright State's Reggie Arceneaux and his family left New Orleans during the flooding of Hurricane Katrina and made it out safely and how that experience shaped the way Reggie leads this Wright State team.
It is dated January 17th.
http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/73006/arceneaux-leads-revitalized-wright-state (http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/73006/arceneaux-leads-revitalized-wright-state)
Quote from: valpopal on January 20, 2013, 09:44:51 AM
Quote from: valpopal on January 19, 2013, 11:14:40 PMKevin and Ryan were mauled on almost every play, especially in the second half, but the refs swallowed their whistles most of the time. On one drive, Ryan nearly had his face rearranged, yet no foul was called.
Here is my photo of Ryan holding his face during that play when he was slammed during a drive, and he had to make the shot without seeing clearly the basket; yet, no foul was called.
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You would think a program as historic as Valpo wouldn't play in a high school gym either, but they do.You know, comments like this one from a WSU poster are getting so old. The HL and the MAC (I'm sure many more) have a pot full of programs where untold millions of mostly taxpayer dollars (directly or indirectly) have been wasted building and maintaining oversized, cold, cavernous venues. The typical game atmosphere at these places is pathetic - 2 out of every 3 seats empty (on a good night), people sitting sporadically wherever they want because of all the extra room, and a pitiful display of support by the 50 students in attendance. These venues are proof positive that the saying "build it and they will come" only works in a fictional movie called Field of Dreams.
Give me the ARC any day over these empty barns. The best place to watch a basketball game is all about atmosphere. 4500 people in a 5000 seat venue with a student section so crowded they are practically sitting on top of each other, people standing everywhere around the track, building heat rising, fans sweating, noise so loud you can't hear yourself think. That's what a great basketball experience is all about. Despite that, you have people like this moron I quoted who actually think they have something to crow about. Amazing!
"The student section was sensational tonight, the crowd was loud all night long, and I think our guys really fed off the enthusiasm in the building, especially in those last five minutes." —Bryce Drew
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Quote from: wh on January 20, 2013, 11:25:11 AM
Quote from: valpopal on January 20, 2013, 09:44:51 AM
Quote from: valpopal on January 19, 2013, 11:14:40 PMKevin and Ryan were mauled on almost every play, especially in the second half, but the refs swallowed their whistles most of the time. On one drive, Ryan nearly had his face rearranged, yet no foul was called.
Here is my photo of Ryan holding his face during that play when he was slammed during a drive, and he had to make the shot without seeing clearly the basket; yet, no foul was called.
(http://149.tinypic.com/2vcicmo.jpg)(http://i49.tinypic.com/2vcicmo.jpg)
You would think a program as historic as Valpo wouldn't play in a high school gym either, but they do.
You know, comments like this one from a WSU poster are getting so old. The HL and the MAC (I'm sure many more) have a pot full of programs where untold millions of mostly taxpayer dollars (directly or indirectly) have been wasted building and maintaining oversized, cold, cavernous venues. The typical game atmosphere at these places is pathetic - 2 out of every 3 seats empty (on a good night), people sitting sporadically wherever they want because of all the extra room, and a pitiful display of support by the 50 students in attendance. These venues are proof positive that the saying "build it and they will come" only works in a fictional movie called Field of Dreams.
Give me the ARC any day over these empty barns. The best place to watch a basketball game is all about atmosphere. 4500 people in a 5000 seat venue with a student section so crowded they are practically sitting on top of each other, people standing everywhere around the track, building heat rising, fans sweating, noise so loud you can't hear yourself think. That's what a great basketball experience is all about. Despite that, you have people like this moron I quoted who actually think they have something to crow about. Amazing!
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Highlights from the game in case you haven't seen 'em yet:
Valpo Crusaders (MBB) vs. Wright State Raiders (1/19/2013) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H69X1dwnZDU#ws)
My highlight is at 2:47 - "Broekhoff backs in, tough shot IS IN!!! HOW DID HE GET THAT TO GO?!?!?!? HOW DID HE GET THE BALL TO GO IN?!?!?!?" vintage excited chef
Quote from: bbtds on January 19, 2013, 11:48:38 PM
Quote from: bballraider on January 19, 2013, 10:01:05 PM
Congrats on a nice comeback. Good luck til we meet again in the Nutter Center.
Good luck on the rest of your year. At least until Valpo plays your team at the Nutter Center. Since I live in Indy I've been to 3 games at the Nutter Center. The first one was a Valpo win in our first Horizon League game ever.
How did you feel about tonight's game?
I thought the game was well played on both sides. I would have preferred a different outcome though lol.
It looked liked the ARC was jumping last night, even over the HL network.
Broekhoff showed why he'd be my POY currently. Big players step up at crucial times. And Broekhoff wouldn't have gotten to that point if the rest of your team hadn't played well enough to keep the game close so He could do his magic.
Refs didn't influence this game much, they blew calls both ways. I just wish they would be consistent from half to half so the players know how to play. It was a very physical game. I was impressed that Valpo didn't turn the ball over as much as they have in the past. I think that was the key to your win.
Again good luck the rest of the year, and I hope your fans noticed we are not the same team as last year. As a Raider fan, i get tired of hearing how teams will beat us because we havent played anybody, hopefully this silence some of our teams critics. I would like to see WSU and Valpo with the top two seeds in the tourney. Detroit has a ton of talent when they show up, and I would prefer to see them have to play an extra game in the tourney, as they are inconsistent and it gives them one more game to screw up somehow.
Quote from: bballraider on January 20, 2013, 02:47:02 PM
Quote from: bbtds on January 19, 2013, 11:48:38 PM
Quote from: bballraider on January 19, 2013, 10:01:05 PM
Congrats on a nice comeback. Good luck til we meet again in the Nutter Center.
Again good luck the rest of the year, and I hope your fans noticed we are not the same team as last year. As a Raider fan, i get tired of hearing how teams will beat us because we havent played anybody, hopefully this silence some of our teams critics. I would like to see WSU and Valpo with the top two seeds in the tourney. Detroit has a ton of talent when they show up, and I would prefer to see them have to play an extra game in the tourney, as they are inconsistent and it gives them one more game to screw up somehow.
We were hoping for that last year and it kind of backfired on us, as it gave Detroit two extra wins of momentum. Nevertheless, sentiment shared. I think everyone here would be pleased to see a WSU-Valpo HL Final. March is a long way off.
Nice win by the guys. Didn't get to see the game but it looks like VU is starting to string a little mo' now. Color me with cautious optimism. We accomplished something last night that we didn't do at all last year, which is win five consecutive games against D-I opponents. We haven't won at least six in a row against D-I competition since 2007-2008.
Sorry wh--I have to disagree with you about the ARC. The WSU fan is right IMO; our venue is a high school facility at best and probably would not even be the best high school facility in NWI as far as sight lines and seating configurations go. East Chicago Central H.S. is probably better. We need a new or updated venue badly and as a collegiate program VU should not be competing with area high schools for game venue atmosphere, particularly in Indiana. I hope we do something soon. Where's the roll out of that five year plan??
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Quote from: bballraider on January 20, 2013, 02:47:02 PMBroekhoff wouldn't have gotten to that point if the rest of your team hadn't played well enough to keep the game close so He could do his magic.
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Quote from: bballraider on January 20, 2013, 02:47:02 PMso He could do his magic.
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Quote from: crusaderjoe on January 20, 2013, 04:15:28 PM
Sorry wh--I have to disagree with you about the ARC. The WSU fan is right IMO; our venue is a high school facility at best and probably would not even be the best high school facility in NWI as far as sight lines and seating configurations go. East Chicago Central H.S. is probably better. We need a new or updated venue badly and as a collegiate program VU should not be competing with area high schools for game venue atmosphere, particularly in Indiana. I hope we do something soon. Where's the roll out of that five year plan??
You're reading too much into my comments. I want a revamped ARC as much as anyone, following some variation of the Loyola model. That would enhance an already good experience, as opposed to destroying it like a big barn would.
Quote from: valporun on January 19, 2013, 09:37:45 PM
What looked to hurt us was the time between games WSU had compared us with their subbing in fresh legs often, but our collective fight overtook their fresh legs! Great wins this week!
The time between games did not hurt Detroit. They blew UIC out of the building. And they don't have the depth we do....
Quote from: wh on January 20, 2013, 07:00:14 PM
Quote from: crusaderjoe on January 20, 2013, 04:15:28 PM
Sorry wh--I have to disagree with you about the ARC. The WSU fan is right IMO; our venue is a high school facility at best and probably would not even be the best high school facility in NWI as far as sight lines and seating configurations go. East Chicago Central H.S. is probably better. We need a new or updated venue badly and as a collegiate program VU should not be competing with area high schools for game venue atmosphere, particularly in Indiana. I hope we do something soon. Where's the roll out of that five year plan??
You're reading too much into my comments. I want a revamped ARC as much as anyone, following some variation of the Loyola model. That would enhance an already good experience, as opposed to destroying it like a big barn would.
Totally agree with wh. What we have is one of the most exciting venues around--not because it has comfy seats and the best bratwurst anywhere, but because the fans are right on top of the floor, it is intimate and LOUD. ESPN has said it is one of the most exciting.
Having said that, do we need improvements? Absolutely and no one in the administration would say otherwise. It is a matter of funding and I presume the five year plan you reference will have this in its content. As I stated in previous posts, what I understand from what President Heckler has said on other ocasions is that once the new fieldhouse is done the ARC will be "gutted" and then the new "arena" will be built. This I presume will be a reconfiguring and small expansion to the existing space to create a bowl like setting, better concessions and restrooms, a club of some sort etc. As wh also said, along the lines of what Loyola has now. If we go much past 6000 seats it will be a mistake given the demographics of the surrounding city and size of the student body.
If you missed it in all the excitement of the game, there was another reason to be pleased last night sitting at the end of the Valpo bench between Rossi and Chadwick: the new kid on the block. Here is my photo of Keith Carter making his initial appearance in a Valpo warm-up suit at a home VU game. I'm glad he got to experience a terrific first game.
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Quote from: bballraider on January 20, 2013, 02:47:02 PMRefs didn't influence this game much, they blew calls both ways.
I had exactly the same impression. I yelled about a number of non-calls, but I also noticed Valpo benefiting from several non-calls as well. That charge achieved by Wil Bogan down the stretch (on Sledge?) was crucial and highly questionable in my opinion. I literally saw the exact same non-call once on each side: player drives to the hoop, runs over defender, no foul called. Both teams were spared the charging foul.
Quote from: crusaderjoe on January 20, 2013, 04:15:28 PMSorry wh--I have to disagree with you about the ARC. The WSU fan is right IMO; our venue is a high school facility at best and probably would not even be the best high school facility in NWI as far as sight lines and seating configurations go.
Yeah, but so what???? It is satisfactory enough that a visiting fan's complaint is of no consequence (I saw the same tweet, and I laughed). That place was electric last night.
And "only one concession stand"???????????? Heavens, you mean fans have to get up off their ass and walk the length of the court to get to it? Exercise is such a bitch, isn't it?
My god, we fans sure are spoiled, aren't we...
Quote from: valpopal on January 20, 2013, 09:19:55 PM
If you missed it in all the excitement of the game, there was another reason to be pleased last night sitting at the end of the Valpo bench between Rossi and Chadwick: the new kid on the block. Here is my photo of Keith Carter making his initial appearance in a Valpo warm-up suit at a home VU game. I'm glad he got to experience a terrific first game.
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Watch for Carter near the end of the bench on the late-game highlights - definitely appeared to be really into it as the game neared the end. Great to see from a relative newcomer to the program!
Quote from: bballraider on January 20, 2013, 02:47:02 PMAgain good luck the rest of the year, and I hope your fans noticed we are not the same team as last year. As a Raider fan, i get tired of hearing how teams will beat us because we havent played anybody, hopefully this silence some of our teams critics.
Abso-damn-lutely. It is obviously now a joke that you guys were picked 9th in the preseason poll. I saw the evidence with my very own eyes last night, plus the game against Loyola.
Quote from: bballraider on January 20, 2013, 02:47:02 PMand I hope your fans noticed we are not the same team as last year. As a Raider fan, i get tired of hearing how teams will beat us because we havent played anybody, hopefully this silence some of our teams critics.
I certainly was very impressed with the way the Raiders played as a team and how well they played defense. If not for the three point shooting of Kenney and the clutch all around play of Broekhoff, WSU would have walked into the ARC and pulled off a win in the toughest environment in the Horizon League. That was the loudest the ARC has been this year. I was impressed by Coach Donlon's ability to almost pull off the biggest upset of the year in the HL. He certainly had the team prepared to battle the Crusaders. Your team impressed the hell out me.
By the way, what did you guys think of Ryan "Ali Faroukhmanesh" Broekhoff on that 3 near the Valpo bench when we had a 1 point lead, plenty of time left on the shot clock, and about 35 seconds to go? ONIONS!
There are 3 concessions not one.
WSU is better than advertised--but come on. Their OOC SOS: 311.
Chicago State's expected SOS: 299.
Come. On.
Agreed, heck I don't think they will finish above .500 in league play.
Quote from: historyman on January 20, 2013, 10:16:50 PM
Quote from: bballraider on January 20, 2013, 02:47:02 PMand I hope your fans noticed we are not the same team as last year. As a Raider fan, i get tired of hearing how teams will beat us because we havent played anybody, hopefully this silence some of our teams critics.
I certainly was very impressed with the way the Raiders played as a team and how well they played defense. If not for the three point shooting of Kenney and the clutch all around play of Broekhoff, WSU would have walked into the ARC and pulled off a win in the toughest environment in the Horizon League. That was the loudest the ARC has been this year. I was impressed by Coach Donlon's ability to almost pull off the biggest upset of the year in the HL. He certainly had the team prepared to battle the Crusaders. Your team impressed the hell out me.
Was at the game and what I saw from WSU last night was amazing to see. Man have those kids bought into his program on both O and D. They really break you down on Offense and consistently got easier shots than we did, they run the O moving the ball and eventually we made a mistake or switch to a mismatch and they made us pay. If we don't make some clutch and many times contested shots they walk out of the ARC with a W. WSU is legit if they continue to be able to play that way against the rest of the league.
Quote from: StlVUFan on January 20, 2013, 10:17:54 PM
By the way, what did you guys think of Ryan "Ali Faroukhmanesh" Broekhoff on that 3 near the Valpo bench when we had a 1 point lead, plenty of time left on the shot clock, and about 35 seconds to go? ONIONS!
As a UNI basketball fan (in addition to Valpo of course), I love the reference to Farokhmanesh. He was open, why not shoot it if you're gonna score!
That's true...they are an excellent team in the true sense of the word (too often lost in translation these days).
I suppose an accurate reading of the statement when the WSU fan says "teams will beat us because we havent played anybody", he IS admitting, "we haven't played anybody". And they haven't. Unless you count VMI, Hofstra, Eastern Illinois, NC A&T (a school, not a long-distance provider), and both Idaho and Idaho St. Also Idaho why they scheduled BOWLING GREEN because they LOST that one. Count those, but don't count Mount St. Joseph because they're D-III. (And yet, they get credit for Wisconsin-Milwaukee...hmm....)
He's also right that just because they've played nobody doesn't mean they aren't good.
But it doesn't help.
Quote from: KL31NY on January 20, 2013, 11:12:37 PMHe was open, why not shoot it if you're gonna score!
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I had the morning off today, so I uploaded about 40 photographs I took at the Wright State game to my Valpo Basketball Photography blog, where it is easy to scroll through them. There are now about 200 pictures on the blog. It was an exciting game and a fun one for photos. If you were at the game, you will probably spot yourself in one of the crowd shots. All the photos can be found at the following: http://photography226.wordpress.com/ (http://photography226.wordpress.com/)
Here are a couple as a sample:
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Quote from: HC on January 20, 2013, 10:46:08 PM
Agreed, heck I don't think they will finish above .500 in league play.
I would have to call into question your judgement if you don't think the team we saw on Saturday will win 5 out of the next 11 games. That would surprise the heck out of me.
I've been wrong once before, I can't remember when though. I was right about UIC being a fraud and might be taking a bit more a risk calling WSU the same. My reasons for thinking this way:
1) They don't score points
2) They don't rebound well (317th in the country)
3) They don't shoot the 3 well
4) They haven't had many challenging teams yet
5) They still have 2 games with Detroit, 2 with YSU, and 1 with Valpo not to mention having to go to CSU, UIC and GB
I could end up being wrong, and thats ok....but then again, you might end up having the heck surprised out of you.
The trouble with thinking WSU just isn't very good is...they had us beat for 38 minutes Saturday night. On the road. In front of a great crowd.
Paul
If I'm wrong I will be happy to admit it...if I'm right how many of you will be there to admit that?
I will! But then, I agreed with you!!!
Computer says they only have 5 games the rest of the way with more than a 53% chance...
WSU took advantage of our tired legs early with their substitution rotations. At times they were rotating fresh legs in like it was a hockey game. I believe WSU will be better than their schedule and computers say they are because you play the real game on the court, not some convoluted computer setup that makes some math freak get his 'happiness' stimulated. I'm just glad that Valpo got the right momentum going to get a second wind.
Can someone tell me who are the five members of the 72-73 team featured at halftime of the game and shown in the photograph posted by Valpopal? I have guessed three of them are Dan Hoerl, Tom Haeberle, and Lynn Siefert.
Thanks,
Paul
ps Valpopal, let me join the others who have commented that your photos are excellent!
OK, so I think one of the others in the photo is Paul Fredlake.
Paul
Quote from: 78crusader on January 21, 2013, 01:10:10 PM
Can someone tell me who are the five members of the 72-73 team featured at halftime of the game and shown in the photograph posted by Valpopal? I have guessed three of them are Dan Hoerl, Tom Haeberle, and Lynn Siefert.
Thanks,
Paul
ps Valpopal, let me join the others who have commented that your photos are excellent!
Thanks very much, Paul. I'm pleased you like the photos. In a previous post RS wrote the following: "I believe going left to right on the photo they are : John Wolfenberg, Dale Lesicki, Tom Hoerl, Tom Haeberle and Tom Mueller." (Not sure which of you has Hoerl's first name correct.)
Quote from: vu72 on January 20, 2013, 08:42:21 PMQuote from: wh on January 20, 2013, 07:00:14 PMQuote from: crusaderjoe on January 20, 2013, 04:15:28 PMSorry wh--I have to disagree with you about the ARC. The WSU fan is right IMO; our venue is a high school facility at best and probably would not even be the best high school facility in NWI as far as sight lines and seating configurations go. East Chicago Central H.S. is probably better. We need a new or updated venue badly and as a collegiate program VU should not be competing with area high schools for game venue atmosphere, particularly in Indiana. I hope we do something soon. Where's the roll out of that five year plan??
You're reading too much into my comments. I want a revamped ARC as much as anyone, following some variation of the Loyola model. That would enhance an already good experience, as opposed to destroying it like a big barn would.
Totally agree with wh. What we have is one of the most exciting venues around--not because it has comfy seats and the best bratwurst anywhere, but because the fans are right on top of the floor, it is intimate and LOUD. ESPN has said it is one of the most exciting. Having said that, do we need improvements? Absolutely and no one in the administration would say otherwise. It is a matter of funding and I presume the five year plan you reference will have this in its content. As I stated in previous posts, what I understand from what President Heckler has said on other ocasions is that once the new fieldhouse is done the ARC will be "gutted" and then the new "arena" will be built. This I presume will be a reconfiguring and small expansion to the existing space to create a bowl like setting, better concessions and restrooms, a club of some sort etc. As wh also said, along the lines of what Loyola has now. If we go much past 6000 seats it will be a mistake given the demographics of the surrounding city and size of the student body.
The great thing about the ARC is that it's small and loud. Empty seats would do a lot to kill that atmosphere. If we can barely draw 5000 to a game, it doesn't make sense to build an arena twice that size.
That's an interesting comparison to a high school gym, because if you think about it, there are some high schools in Chicagoland with a larger enrollment than VU. That being said, there's nothing that says "game venue atmosphere" like ESPN TV crews ;)
I wonder if they will rename the new facility. I kind of like the simplicity of "Athletics-Recreation Center." Plus, you can't beat the ARC anagram -- "Crusader Basketball packs the ARC like Noah."
Quote from: HC on January 21, 2013, 11:43:56 AM
If I'm wrong I will be happy to admit it...if I'm right how many of you will be there to admit that?
I will certainly give you your props if correct.
WSU may not be a top rebounding team but they had more than us, 32-28...offensively they beat us 7-2!
Quote from: hailcrusaders on January 21, 2013, 01:34:29 PM"Crusader Basketball packs the ARC like Noah."
Two of everything! Except Chicago St fans because there's only one of them!!!
Quote from: 78crusader on January 21, 2013, 11:37:59 AMThe trouble with thinking WSU just isn't very good is...they had us beat for 38 minutes Saturday night. On the road. In front of a great crowd.
Agreed. And to a Valpo team that was playing well and only committed 7 turnovers the whole game. If Valpo would have committed as many turnovers as they usually had in past games I believe Wright State would have won Saturday night. That says a great deal about the quality of the Raider team. For those who say they haven't played anyone, well Saturday night they played a very good Valpo team and came close to pulling off the upset.
I hope they beat Detroit twice and I'm wrong.
To support my position: they only turned it over 9 times, shot the ball for a decent fg%, out rebounded Valpo and had much better bench production and still managed to blow it.
11 more games and we'll know.
WSU has looked pretty good tonight so far, hit a few threes and are playing their solid defense. Detroit looks slow on defense tonight too.
I like Arcenaux's game. I'm not changing my position on them yet though :P
Thanks very much, Paul. I'm pleased you like the photos. In a previous post RS wrote the following: "I believe going left to right on the photo they are : John Wolfenberg, Dale Lesicki, Tom Hoerl, Tom Haeberle and Tom Mueller." (Not sure which of you has Hoerl's first name correct.)
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I did ask Judy Miller in the archives office to caption the picture... the names were the ones given to me to announce...Those were the names, but I can't verify the order.
As usual, I'm with HC on this one. WSU sucks.
They were playing well, but are falling apart now.
Nevertheless, if they pull this one out somehow, I'll have to bid HC et al. a fond farewell and jump off the haterwagon.
I don't know if its good job WSU or another crummy coach job by Detroit, regardless nice win for WSU. Someone else will need to beat them for my prediction to be proven true.
Anyone watch this or follow this in any other consistent matter? I'm curious as to a couple things after finding some inconsistencies in the box score...
Did Ray Jr and Calliste really play all 40 minutes tonight? The sub in/sub out notes are very unreliable. Certainly wouldn't shock me to have them play that much if they play so much during drubbings like what UIC experienced this weekend.
What happened at the end? After Calliste's free throws, the only play-by-play is a 30 second timeout and a full timeout over the final 43 seconds. I'm pretty sure something's missing...
yes, Calliste and McCallum went the distance.
the ESPN pBp shows more activity: http://espn.go.com/ncb/playbyplay?gameId=330212174 (http://espn.go.com/ncb/playbyplay?gameId=330212174)
Wow, only 8 points, Ray? At least over the course of a whole 40 minutes...that's...oh right...eight points. :P
I watched from the 6 minute mark in the first half on. I never saw them subbed out, or much of any subs for Detroit. I also didn't see Jr score, but I was distracted by the kids. The play McCallum drew up at the end was terrible, what a shocker.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on January 21, 2013, 09:40:32 PM
the ESPN pBp shows more activity: http://espn.go.com/ncb/playbyplay?gameId=330212174 (http://espn.go.com/ncb/playbyplay?gameId=330212174)
True, but there's still something wrong: WSU missed jumper, WSU offensive rebound,
WSU timeout, UDM defensive rebound, UDM timeout, UDM missed 3-pointer. Where's the connection that makes that happen?
In all seriousness though, thanks to you and HC for some follow-up
There was a scrum for a loose ball, off a missed shot I think. Detroit threw up a half courter that missed but was rewarded with a timeout and given the ball at half court. Ended with Jr throwing up a 25 footer with at least one guy in his face falling out of bounce. Just a terrible play if that is what was drawn up.
Quote from: HC on January 21, 2013, 09:58:40 PM
There was a scrum for a loose ball, off a missed shot I think. Detroit threw up a half courter that missed but was rewarded with a timeout and given the ball at half court. Ended with Jr throwing up a 25 footer with at least one guy in his face falling out of bounce. Just a terrible play if that is what was drawn up.
According to UDM's story, Ray Sr called a TO just before Ray Jr missed the heave which is why they got a chance to draw something up. Man was it horrible. WSU had two guys right there and Ray's dribbling into them. It's like Princess Leia screaming "You're gonna ATTACK them?!?!?" to Han Solo in Episode 5... or simply Lois to Peter in the Family Guy parody
You're gonna attack them!? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWY9bNeXJ8M#)
I know the WS coach wasn't happy to lose, but I thought he was classless with his monosyllabic, half second handshake with Bryce.
He was whining about the fouls the entire first half. He had absolutely no reason to complain by end of game, as the fouls and FTs were fair and similar
from the Wright State memes, in honor of Homer's plaintive "come on, you're a better referee than THAT!"
(http://www.easymemes.com/uploads/memes/63787_n3emjPpZFOeKuIF.jpg)
come on, make yer own: http://www.easymemes.com/review/63787_n3emjPpZFOeKuIF (http://www.easymemes.com/review/63787_n3emjPpZFOeKuIF)
Quote from: vu72 on January 20, 2013, 08:42:21 PM
Quote from: wh on January 20, 2013, 07:00:14 PM
Quote from: crusaderjoe on January 20, 2013, 04:15:28 PM
Sorry wh--I have to disagree with you about the ARC. The WSU fan is right IMO; our venue is a high school facility at best and probably would not even be the best high school facility in NWI as far as sight lines and seating configurations go. East Chicago Central H.S. is probably better. We need a new or updated venue badly and as a collegiate program VU should not be competing with area high schools for game venue atmosphere, particularly in Indiana. I hope we do something soon. Where's the roll out of that five year plan??
You're reading too much into my comments. I want a revamped ARC as much as anyone, following some variation of the Loyola model. That would enhance an already good experience, as opposed to destroying it like a big barn would.
Totally agree with wh. What we have is one of the most exciting venues around--not because it has comfy seats and the best bratwurst anywhere, but because the fans are right on top of the floor, it is intimate and LOUD. ESPN has said it is one of the most exciting.
Having said that, do we need improvements? Absolutely and no one in the administration would say otherwise. It is a matter of funding and I presume the five year plan you reference will have this in its content. As I stated in previous posts, what I understand from what President Heckler has said on other ocasions is that once the new fieldhouse is done the ARC will be "gutted" and then the new "arena" will be built. This I presume will be a reconfiguring and small expansion to the existing space to create a bowl like setting, better concessions and restrooms, a club of some sort etc. As wh also said, along the lines of what Loyola has now. If we go much past 6000 seats it will be a mistake given the demographics of the surrounding city and size of the student body.
Listen, I don't want to turn this into a facilities thread or threadjack this to the point of a pure facilities discussion, but if you took a poll here, I sincerely doubt anyone would want to see a new cavernous VU facility which looks like a barn and destroys the experience. However, there seems to be a perception on this board that somehow facility improvement equates with the destruction of intimacy, or that a seating total in the upper 6K range or higher will destroy intimacy or atmosphere. IMO, that's because VU's venue is so small and non-collegiate that
any increase in seating is seen as potentially disproportionate to Valpo's current "electric when full but small time" atmosphere. Because it's the only venue atmosphere that VU has ever really known for home basketball games historically, any increase is seen as threatening to it.
For me personally, the magic number is higher than 6500 so that VU has the ability to generate more income by virtue of non-basketball event rental, albeit on a smaller scale, as is done at the Nutter Center. We need corporate boxes. The one concession stand is a liability if you think outside the box and look at the venue as a place to hold an event rather than a pure basketball arena. IMO, the sightlines are garbage. If a fan wants to see the game from behind a basket, he has to stand because he can't purchase a seat in that location. That's ridiculous. When I came up for Butler a couple of years ago, I flew 1200 miles one way to stand on a running track for three hours because I wanted to see break out action, along with many other VU and Butler fans. No fan should ever have to do that. All of this can be done without turning the place into a barn. Look at it this way--I'm not looking for plush seats and cupholders. I'm simply looking for a seat behind the basket.
I hate that fans come in to the gym on the floor level. So people who have front row seats have to have hundreds of people walk in front of them. That's silly. I love going to away games where they serve beer. I know its college basketball but still drinking beers at the few games I can are very enjoyable
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on January 22, 2013, 09:00:17 AM
from the Wright State memes, in honor of Homer's plaintive "come on, you're a better referee than THAT!"
(http://www.easymemes.com/uploads/memes/63787_n3emjPpZFOeKuIF.jpg)
come on, make yer own: http://www.easymemes.com/review/63787_n3emjPpZFOeKuIF (http://www.easymemes.com/review/63787_n3emjPpZFOeKuIF)
Has KLNY31 seen this?? "Come on, man!" is his catch phrase.
Joe, there are three concession areas not one
Quote from: SadersofthelostArc on January 22, 2013, 05:48:10 PM
Has KLNY31 seen this?? "Come on, man!" is his catch phrase.
You know neither my catchphrase nor know to spell my screen name. Correct or incorrect, you remain consistent.
C'mon man, we all know your catchphrase. You've cut back on the incessant use of "c'mon man," but you won't ever live it down my friend! lol
WSU loss! Thank you YSU.
WSU loses again :-X
Quote from: HC on January 26, 2013, 08:13:03 PM
WSU loses again :-X
we're now two games up in the loss column over second place.
WSU loses...again. :-X