Can we make it 2 in a row? The D will be there, but only the Offense knows fer sure.
Drake beat Morehead State who took the Tommies to the edge.
Drake has had 2-3 wins per season since 2020. They have beaten Valpo each of those 2-3 win seasons I believe.
Valpo has won once at Drake and Drake has won 4 PFL games in a row.
Stand corrected. We won in '21!
This will be a rock fight's rock fight
16-3 Bulldogs
Drake 31
Valpo 24
After 3 weeks of less than expected offensive production, do I post what I think or what I want for the Beacons?
Our colors aren't favorable to lense optics comparisons, as it is either piss or #^%]
Valpo wins a nail biter 20-17, defense scoring a touchdown.
Gosh, what am I smoking
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Drake 47
Valpo 13
Valpo 20
Drake 14
Gut feeling, big win in beautiful Des Moines and historic Drake Stadium. Fan base May be limited as Iowa and Iowa State have home games.
I cannot make it to the game this time, but If making the trip, feel free to ask about things to do and the restaurants. I would be more than happy to assist.
Quote from: usc4valpo on October 04, 2023, 05:25:00 AM
Valpo 20
Drake 14
Gut feeling, big win in beautiful Des Moines and historic Drake Stadium. Fan base May be limited as Iowa and Iowa State have home games.
I cannot make it to the game this time, but If making the trip, feel free to ask about things to do and the restaurants. I would be more than happy to assist.
I'm hoping to make the trip for the first time. Football plays on Saturday and soccer plays on Sunday. It makes sense.
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https://luckyhorsedsm.com/ good pub and food
https://thelibrarydm.com/ fun place, old school pub
https://www.noahsarkdesmoines.com/ serious old school italian
https://drakediner.com/
these are all nearby. Let me know what you like and I can assist.
Drake may be 1-3 but they have lost to South Dakota State and North Dakota who they weren't going to beat or be competitive against. They also lost by a FG to Northwestern College...the NAIA national champs from last year who beat Indiana Wesleyan to a pulp.
The fact that Drake beat MSU and held them to 9 after MSU put up 4 TDs vs. St. Thomas probably says much more about where they are in the PFL than any other result.
Without Valpo playing much better when they have the ball, this game may not be close in Drake's direction.
Need to remember Valpo had 6! 6! Turnovers against IWU and was a two point conversion away from over time.
Drake has a relative elite defense. But a subpar offense. When you have two bad offenses , the mistake free team wins. That has not been Valpo his season.
But I am pretty sure IIRC. Valpo has hung with Saint Thomas (by record PFL champion) with overall negative yardage. So I do think that this will be interesting until at least the 4th
16-3 bulldogs. I'm hoping to to can get over 2.2 YPC after this one.
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Quote from: valpofb16 on October 04, 2023, 01:37:54 PM
Need to remember Valpo had 6! 6! Turnovers against IWU and was a two point conversion away from over time.
Drake has a relative elite defense. But a subpar offense. When you have two bad offenses , the mistake free team wins. That has not been Valpo his season.
But I am pretty sure IIRC. Valpo has hung with Saint Thomas (by record PFL champion) with overall negative yardage. So I do think that this will be interesting until at least the 4th
16-3 bulldogs. I'm hoping to to can get over 2.2 YPC after this one.
Quote from: JD24 on October 04, 2023, 12:27:54 PM
Drake may be 1-3 but they have lost to South Dakota State and North Dakota who they weren't going to beat or be competitive against. They also lost by a FG to Northwestern College...the NAIA national champs from last year who beat Indiana Wesleyan to a pulp.
The fact that Drake beat MSU and held them to 9 after MSU put up 4 TDs vs. St. Thomas probably says much more about where they are in the PFL than any other result.
Without Valpo playing much better when they have the ball, this game may not be close in Drake's direction.
Now THIS sounds like it's gonna be a real rock fight. :popcorn:
Quote from: VULB#62 on October 05, 2023, 11:41:37 AMQuote from: valpofb16 on October 04, 2023, 01:37:54 PMNeed to remember Valpo had 6! 6! Turnovers against IWU and was a two point conversion away from over time. Drake has a relative elite defense. But a subpar offense. When you have two bad offenses , the mistake free team wins. That has not been Valpo his season. But I am pretty sure IIRC. Valpo has hung with Saint Thomas (by record PFL champion) with overall negative yardage. So I do think that this will be interesting until at least the 4th 16-3 bulldogs. I'm hoping to to can get over 2.2 YPC after this one.
Quote from: JD24 on October 04, 2023, 12:27:54 PMDrake may be 1-3 but they have lost to South Dakota State and North Dakota who they weren't going to beat or be competitive against. They also lost by a FG to Northwestern College...the NAIA national champs from last year who beat Indiana Wesleyan to a pulp. The fact that Drake beat MSU and held them to 9 after MSU put up 4 TDs vs. St. Thomas probably says much more about where they are in the PFL than any other result. Without Valpo playing much better when they have the ball, this game may not be close in Drake's direction.
Now THIS sounds like it's gonna be a real rock fight. :popcorn:
I'm not sure valpofb16 is far off from the score but it could be one of those games which is 16-3 but never a game that was close. We've all seen games such as that.
My overall point was that some were looking at a 1-3 record without looking at the rest of the story with Drake and equating that to a win which, and I hope I'm wrong, I don't have a lot of hope for.
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Quote from: usc4valpo on October 04, 2023, 11:21:45 AM
https://www.flyingmango.com/ (https://www.flyingmango.com/) excellent bbq
https://luckyhorsedsm.com/ (https://luckyhorsedsm.com/) good pub and food
https://thelibrarydm.com/ (https://thelibrarydm.com/) fun place, old school pub
https://www.noahsarkdesmoines.com/ (https://www.noahsarkdesmoines.com/) serious old school italian
https://drakediner.com/ (https://drakediner.com/)
these are all nearby. Let me know what you like and I can assist.
This may change Pgmado's mind. There are no Brewers' bars, just Cubs (mostly) and Cardinals' bars.
Oh, wait, no need to worry about that. The NLCentral division has totally flunked out of the MLB playoffs as usual.
Quote from: historyman on October 07, 2023, 03:59:24 AM
Quote from: usc4valpo on October 04, 2023, 11:21:45 AM
https://www.flyingmango.com/ (https://www.flyingmango.com/) excellent bbq
https://luckyhorsedsm.com/ (https://luckyhorsedsm.com/) good pub and food
https://thelibrarydm.com/ (https://thelibrarydm.com/) fun place, old school pub
https://www.noahsarkdesmoines.com/ (https://www.noahsarkdesmoines.com/) serious old school italian
https://drakediner.com/ (https://drakediner.com/)
these are all nearby. Let me know what you like and I can assist.
This may change Pgmado's mind. There are no Brewers' bars, just Cubs (mostly) and Cardinals' bars.
Oh, wait, no need to worry about that. The NLCentral division has totally flunked out of the MLB playoffs as usual.
Sadly my check engine light came on while driving near the Illinois/Iowa state line. Currently sitting at the dealership in Davenport having my car looked at. Certainly won't make the start of the football game, if getting to Des Moines at all.
Quote from: Pgmado on October 07, 2023, 11:36:13 AM
Quote from: historyman on October 07, 2023, 03:59:24 AM
Quote from: usc4valpo on October 04, 2023, 11:21:45 AM
https://www.flyingmango.com/ (https://www.flyingmango.com/) excellent bbq
https://luckyhorsedsm.com/ (https://luckyhorsedsm.com/) good pub and food
https://thelibrarydm.com/ (https://thelibrarydm.com/) fun place, old school pub
https://www.noahsarkdesmoines.com/ (https://www.noahsarkdesmoines.com/) serious old school italian
https://drakediner.com/ (https://drakediner.com/)
these are all nearby. Let me know what you like and I can assist.
This may change Pgmado's mind. There are no Brewers' bars, just Cubs (mostly) and Cardinals' bars.
Oh, wait, no need to worry about that. The NLCentral division has totally flunked out of the MLB playoffs as usual.
Sadly my check engine light came on while driving near the Illinois/Iowa state line. Currently sitting at the dealership in Davenport having my car looked at. Certainly won't make the start of the football game, if getting to Des Moines at all.
🥺
Anyone else see a regulation nil-nil draw in this Valpo vs Drake football game?
Possible 4 penalty sequence puts the ball on the Drake side of the field near the 20 yard line and Valpo kicks a FG for a 3-0 win.
Quote from: Pgmado on October 07, 2023, 11:36:13 AM
Quote from: historyman on October 07, 2023, 03:59:24 AM
Quote from: usc4valpo on October 04, 2023, 11:21:45 AM
https://www.flyingmango.com/ (https://www.flyingmango.com/) excellent bbq
https://luckyhorsedsm.com/ (https://luckyhorsedsm.com/) good pub and food
https://thelibrarydm.com/ (https://thelibrarydm.com/) fun place, old school pub
https://www.noahsarkdesmoines.com/ (https://www.noahsarkdesmoines.com/) serious old school italian
https://drakediner.com/ (https://drakediner.com/)
these are all nearby. Let me know what you like and I can assist.
This may change Pgmado's mind. There are no Brewers' bars, just Cubs (mostly) and Cardinals' bars.
Oh, wait, no need to worry about that. The NLCentral division has totally flunked out of the MLB playoffs as usual.
Sadly my check engine light came on while driving near the Illinois/Iowa state line. Currently sitting at the dealership in Davenport having my car looked at. Certainly won't make the start of the football game, if getting to Des Moines at all.
More of the Brewers playoff curse?
Quote from: Pgmado on October 07, 2023, 11:36:13 AM
Quote from: historyman on October 07, 2023, 03:59:24 AM
Quote from: usc4valpo on October 04, 2023, 11:21:45 AM
https://www.flyingmango.com/ (https://www.flyingmango.com/) excellent bbq
https://luckyhorsedsm.com/ (https://luckyhorsedsm.com/) good pub and food
https://thelibrarydm.com/ (https://thelibrarydm.com/) fun place, old school pub
https://www.noahsarkdesmoines.com/ (https://www.noahsarkdesmoines.com/) serious old school italian
https://drakediner.com/ (https://drakediner.com/)
these are all nearby. Let me know what you like and I can assist.
This may change Pgmado's mind. There are no Brewers' bars, just Cubs (mostly) and Cardinals' bars.
Oh, wait, no need to worry about that. The NLCentral division has totally flunked out of the MLB playoffs as usual.
Sadly my check engine light came on while driving near the Illinois/Iowa state line. Currently sitting at the dealership in Davenport having my car looked at. Certainly won't make the start of the football game, if getting to Des Moines at all.
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Quote from: historyman on October 07, 2023, 01:21:01 PM
Anyone else see a regulation nil-nil draw in this Valpo vs Drake football game?
Possible 4 penalty sequence puts the ball on the Drake side of the field near the 20 yard line and Valpo kicks a FG for a 3-0 win.
Well that prediction backfired!
:-(
Home cooking on the Deep ball doesn't matter
9 win defense
0 win offense
Swell is not a word I would use to describe how things have gone so far.
If Valpo wins this game in the last 47 seconds I'll bring David81 a Greek's Pizza to his house.
Thoughts....
-Mikey Appel has not been great. But if I was his parents I'd be in the portal and not let my kid play another down for Symmes.
-Landon Fox will always coach a defense to have Valparaiso in a position to win against likewise talent.
- when game was on line Tezzo and Jimenez were subbed out for Yeats and Mackay. Just let the kids play.
-Davis is the only offensive player capable of breaking one and he's been more drops than not last two games.
-Defense gave up sub 300 yards and two touchdowns and it was a loss. Tough to do in modern football.
Some really big officiating mistakes in this game. Valpo should have won 21-20 as the officials completely blew the call when Valpo returned the Drake fumbled kick off for a touchdown. One of the worst calls I've seen in a long time.
Quote from: valpofb16 on October 07, 2023, 04:18:32 PMThoughts.... -Mikey Appel has not been great. But if I was his parents I'd be in the portal and not let my kid play another down for Symmes. -Landon Fox will always coach a defense to have Valparaiso in a position to win against likewise talent. - when game was on line Tezzo and Jimenez were subbed out for Yeats and Mackay. Just let the kids play. -Davis is the only offensive player capable of breaking one and he's been more drops than not last two games. -Defense gave up sub 300 yards and two touchdowns and it was a loss. Tough to do in modern football.
Davis is the only athlete on the offense. The rest are JAGs and appear to be pretty small JAGs.
I didn't see the entire game. I turned it off for a bit when Appel was still in the game. Did he get hurt and was he the guy with his arm in a sling?
Cannot confirm as broadcast did not specify. But would check out. Kid was done a disservice this year.
24 sacks in 5 weeks
If it was Mikey in the sling, sling probably means OFY for a QB. Jackson will be a 6th year and finish out the Symmes era, and maybe the Fox era.
IMPORTANT QUESTIONS: Our offense was kinda OK last season. This season, not so much.
A) Is this the same Playbook as last season? Then....
Is it being poorly coached or are the personnel not capable of executing it......
OR
B) Did Symmes bring in a new scheme? Then....
Is it being poorly coached or are the coaches and/or the personnel not capable of executing it......?
Face it. Mikey is off. His accuracy is nowhere near where it was last season. We have some decent RBs but they can't find holes? OL don't pick up simple twists that result in pressures or sacks. Screens (appears that there is only one) are predicable and almost always smothered. Most pass patterns are inscrutable and our receivers always seem to be covered like a second skin by even third rate secondaries - very infrequent separation. And, of course, Mikey has almost always had someone in his face when passing, and when he he tries to pass on the run his accuracy suffers - he's no Ben Lehman.
Hey, these are emotional observations after watching ¾ of the game and the two previous ones. Probably rife with inaccuracies, but I think they paint at least a general picture.
What must Fox do to correct this? .....in one week before we run into a really good offense in MSU?
This is not what anyone wants to hear, but Carlson's offense could account for tons of yards and a lot of scores.
Of course the word "defense" was not in his vocabulary, so we seldom won.
Yet, why can a QB like Eric Hoffman pass for >5,000 yards and we haven't seen any QB since come close - even under a reputed O guy like Cecchini?
Just throwing this out to get a reaction.
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BTW, Cecchini had the good sense to accommodate Ben Lehman's mobile QB skills and it paid off. Yeah, I loved that kid.
It's a new offense that was loaded with motion BS and a rather large playbook.
Things have been cut down substantially since IWU, but let's face it. It cost the team IWU.
Our two biggest question marks heading into the season were WR and OL.
OL has been an issue but Washington and Dawson were able to rise above the issue. They are gone and Mann/Labus/Butler are not in that same category athletically. The run game set up play action, but now that there is none (top RBs didn't play bad today, but there is 0 home run threat from that position) quite honestly teams don't have the need to sell out on the run and are getting home rushing four. That is detrimental to any offense.
With receiver Ross/Contreras/Jernegan were the sure targets last season with Davis being the home run threat. Contreras and Ross ( who have seen field for Illinois State and Indiana State this season) are gone and Jernegan has been all but eliminated from the offense. We replaced our first down catchers with Tezzo, Ragle, and Jimenez who are all negative in their measurements. To make matters worse it seems all three don't have breakaway speed on under routes.
All resulting in defenses being able to sit back in coverage. Still apply pressure, with zero worry about home run threats aside from Davis who they can mirror with someone over the top.
In lay man's terms - offensive nightmare
I played with Hoffman and he knew the offense like the back of his hand for a team that threw 50+ times a game.
However from what I saw with Seewald in 2017. If he is healthy in 18&19 he's shattering every record by Macchi and Hoffman.
Duncan/Clarke just didn't have the same arm talent as those guys. Nimz didn't have the reps/snaps. Lehman had a great senior year.
Appel looked to be our next guy but if the arm injury is bad. It'll be another few years til we get a guy with that arm talent.
Fox has built the best defense maybe since Valpo joined the PFL there's depth and young talent.
I am beginning to wonder if he's willing to stay for an inevitable fourth offensive rebuild
But 16, Fox is the hiring manager. So is it on him - his hiring judgment?
OR
The hiring manager has a small budget and what we've seen is what he can afford?
Mikey may be a question going forward - body injury. This scenario is feeling scary familiar.
Valpos off-coach coordinators in my time have been.
2011: Robert Lee DC - left took position coach at Miami of OH
2012-2013 - Tyson Silveus DC from a D2 , HS after firing
2014-2018: Ernest Moore DC from a D3, left coaching after firing
2019-2020: Chris Limbach OC from D2, left coaching after firing
2021-22: Will Fleming AST QB coach at Boston College (former Rhode Island OC), left for Same job at Lamar
2023: Matt Symmes OC some position at Eastern Carolina.
Looks like the budget has fit low level D2 coordinator, high level D3 coordinator, and assistant to the assistant FBS coaches.
Not great.
Quote from: valpofb16 on October 07, 2023, 06:59:35 PMCannot confirm as broadcast did not specify. But would check out. Kid was done a disservice this year. 24 sacks in 5 weeks If it was Mikey in the sling, sling probably means OFY for a QB. Jackson will be a 6th year and finish out the Symmes era, and maybe the Fox era.
I went back and watched again and saw the play he was hurt on. Looked like he landed on his shoulder with a defender on top.
Jernegan out for the year.
Eberhardt, Appel, Vercher, Jernegan, roughly 1/3 of the top 12 snap getters on O out indefinitely
Quote from: valpofb16 on October 08, 2023, 02:45:04 PM
Eberhardt, Appel, Vercher, Jernegan, roughly 1/3 of the top 12 snap getters on O out indefinitely
I think those you listed, will be back better than ever just like Evan Annis did. His rehab success is a great motivator for others to follow.