Time to pickup on who the opposition is playing... and how they make out...
DATE VALPO Opponent Team LOCATION
11/14/2016 Southern Utah St. Louis at St. Louis, Mo. (SUU is 0-1, thanks to us)
11/14/2016 Rhode Island Marist Providence (URI, 1-0, Beat Dartmouth by 84-16)
11/15/2016 Oregon Baylor Waco (Ore 1-0, beat Army 91-77)
11/15/2016 Alabama Dayton Tuscaloosa (Tide 1-0, beat Coastal Carolina 70-53)
11/15/2016 Ball State Indiana State Muncie (Ball State beat Saint Louis 85-64!)
11/15/2016 Kentucky Michigan State Lexington (Cats are 2-0, beat SFAustin 87-64, Canisius 93-69)
11/15/2016 Indiana State Ball State Muncie (Indiana State is 0-1, lost in OT to NIU)
11/16/2016 Coppin State Coastal Carolina Conway, SC (tonights, opponent, they are 0-1)
11/16/2016 Rhode Island Brown Providence
11/17/2016 Coppin State BYU Provo, UT
11/17/2016 Missouri State Fontbonne Springfield, MO (Bears 2-0, Alabama A&M (96-62) and JaxState (91-65)
11/17/2016 Chicago State Wisconsin Madison (CSU beat Illinois Tech 97-89)
11/18/2016 Southern Utah Bethesda Cedar City, Utah
11/18/2016 Coppin State Utah Salt Lake City
11/18/2016 Alabama Ball State Tuscaloosa
11/18/2016 Ball State Alabama Tuscaloosa
11/19/2016 Rhode Island Cincinnati Providence
11/19/2016 Indiana State Missouri-St Louis Terre Haute
11/19/2016 Santa Clara Northern Colorado Santa Clara (0-1, lost to Tennessee State 69-61)!
11/19/2016 Chicago State Oakland Rochester MI
11/20/2016 Kentucky Duquesne Lexington
maybe a bit early to have a poll... but I'll put one out anyway... 21 opponent games this week, it can't be 21-0... Ball State and Indiana State and Ball State and Alabama play each other.
I count 13 wins... SUU vs St Louis will be interesting tonight. (SLU lost by 20+ to Ball State); Santa Clara vs Northern Colorado will also be interesting, SC lost to Tennessee State)... 'Bama-Dayton; URI-Cincy could have a nice impact on our RPI... or a bad impact...
Quote from: talksalot on November 14, 2016, 11:35:14 AMBall State and Indiana State and Ball State and Alabama play each other.
Aren't these games (and Chicago State Oakland) one win either way?
Quote from: covufan on November 14, 2016, 11:51:15 AM
Quote from: talksalot on November 14, 2016, 11:35:14 AMBall State and Indiana State and Ball State and Alabama play each other.
Aren't these games (and Chicago State Oakland) one win either way?
yes, but I only included the HL teams in the schedule if they were playing one of our OOC opponents ... someone else has the HL schedule thread going...
Quote from: talksalot on November 14, 2016, 11:35:14 AMDATE VALPO Opponent Team LOCATION11/14/2016 Southern Utah St. Louis at St. Louis, Mo. (SUU is 0-1, thanks to us)11/14/2016 Rhode Island Marist Providence (URI, 1-0, Beat Dartmouth by 84-16)
SLU 88-76... Onwuasor scored 20, 13 boards for SUUUUUU.
URI 1,452 - Marist 65... ok... so it wasn't THAT bad... 107-65
and if you're looking for something to do Tuesday afternoon... Baylor @ Oregon... 2:30pm Central... you all should be awake by then after staying up for the GB @ Pacific 1:00am tip.
Dayton dumped Tide 77-72 in Tuscaloosa.
Baylor dumped Ducks 66-49 in Waco.
the Valpo strength of opponents is taking a hit in the 24-hours kickoff event. GB loses, Oregon loses, Bama loses,
The HL is not going to get an at large bid any time soon. But interesting nonetheless.
11/15/2016 Oregon LOSES AT Baylor Waco (Ore 1-1)
11/15/2016 Alabama LOSES TO Dayton Tuscaloosa (Tide 1-1)
11/15/2016 Kentucky DEMOLISHES Michigan State Lexington (Cats are 3-0)
11/15/2016 Indiana State BEATS Ball State Muncie (Indiana State is 1-1)
11/15/2016 Ball State LOSES TO Indiana State 80-74 Muncie (Ball State is 1-1)
so, after 2 days... our opponents have 2 wins. (not including the pushes), Kentucky and Rhode Island.
Rhode Island squeaks by Brown--they of the last-place-predicted finish in the Ivy League. At home.
Coppin State falls to 0-3 after a 89-59 drubbing by Coastal Carolina, now 1-2. They were 7-34 from 2-point range last night, 12-36 from 3-point range. This morning, the eagles got up early to drive down to Charleston to catch a flight to Salt Lake City. They get into SLC about 2:30pm, a 2-hour bus ride from the airport ... and Tip Off in Provo TONIGHT against BYU at 7pm.... oh to be young again!
Brown outscored URI 39-38 in the second half, but did fall 79-72. URI now 3-0; Brown 1-2.
so after 3 days... our opponents have 3 wins and a push.
Tonight... other than the Coppin - BYU mistake (this may turn into a push), Chicago State rides into the Kohl Center to take on the Badgers... and the MoState Bears (2-0) host the 'powerful' (cough) Fontbonne University in the Griffins season opener. Fontbonne is picked 10th in the 10-team "Saint Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference."
11/17/2016 BYU 96 Coppin State 59
11/17/2016 Missouri State 100 Fontbonne 27
11/17/2016 Wisconsin 69 Chicago State 51
so after 4 days, the opponents have 4 wins and a push.
Friday? Looks like one more win, and another push.
11/18/2016 Southern Utah Bethesda Cedar City, Utah
11/18/2016 Coppin State Utah Salt Lake City
11/18/2016 Alabama Ball State Tuscaloosa -- Push.
11/18/2016 Southern Utah Bethesda Cedar City, Utah 108-92 1
11/18/2016 Coppin State Utah Salt Lake City 51-94
11/18/2016 Alabama Ball State Tuscaloosa 77 59 push
11/18/2016 Ball State Alabama Tuscaloosa 59-77 push
11/19/2016 Rhode Island Cincinnati Providence 76-71 Nice win for the Rams!
11/19/2016 Indiana State Missouri-St Louis Terre Haute 96-55
11/19/2016 Santa Clara Northern Colorado Santa Clara 88-72
11/19/2016 Chicago State Oakland Rochester MI 79-107
11/20/2016 Kentucky Duquesne Lexington 93-59
OK, I count a total of 9 wins, not including the pushes... the OOC opponents did some major let downs this week Oregon losing to Baylor and Bama losing to Dayton.
Lets hope for a good week... starting late Monday Night!
Busy week in College hoops... showing the Monday-Morning-Sagarin ratings... Valpo is #100 this morning.
11/21/2016 #195 Santa Clara Sacred Heart Santa Clara
11/21/2016 #331 Southern Utah Coastal Carolina at Las Vegas, Nev.
11/21/2016 #346 Coppin State Ball State Las Vegas Tourney Push
11/21/2016 #32 Oregon Georgetown Maui Invitational
11/21/2016 #145 Ball State Coppin State Las Vegas Tourney Push
11/22/2016 #32 Oregon Tennessee/Wisconsin Maui Invitational
11/22/2016 #341 Chicago State East-West University Chicago
11/23/2016 #331 Southern Utah Ball State at Las Vegas, Nev. Push
11/23/2016 #32 Oregon Tba Maui Invitational
11/23/2016 #52 Alabama TBA Las Vegas Tourney
11/23/2016 #145 Ball State Southern Utah Las Vegas Tourney Push
11/23/2016 #5 Kentucky Cleveland State Lexington Push
11/23/2016 #92 Missouri State DePaul Chicago
11/24/2016 #118 Indiana State Iowa State Orlando FL Tourney
11/24/2016 #195 Santa Clara Arizona Las Vegas Tourney
11/25/2016 #346 Coppin State Grand Canyon Phoenix
11/25/2016 #37 Rhode Island Belmont Providence
11/25/2016 #5 Kentucky Tennessee-Martin Lexington
11/25/2016 #118 Indiana State Stanford/ Miami Orlando FL Tourney
11/25/2016 #195 Santa Clara Vanderbilt/Butler Las Vegas Tourney
11/26/2016 #331 Southern Utah Life Pacific Cedar City, Utah
11/26/2016 #346 Chicago State Notre Dame South Bend
11/27/2016 #92 Missouri State North Dakota State Springfield, MO
11/27/2016 #118 Indiana State tba Orlando FL Tourney
Quote from: bsmith21 on November 21, 2016, 06:19:39 PM
Georgetown just beat oregon with Dillon Brooks in maui
Makes the loss look very bad.
11/21/2016 Santa Clara Sacred Heart Santa Clara up 8 late
11/21/2016 Coastal Carolina 83 Southern Utah 68 Las Vegas Tournament
11/21/2016 Ball State 79 Coppin State 77 Las Vegas Tourney Push
11/21/2016 Georgetown 75 Oregon 71 Maui Invitational
Bucknell 75 Vanderbilt 72 part of the other Las Vegas Tournament oh, wait. that doesn't matter... except that my sister is a Bucknell alum and that's the real reason I put that in here.
and the Winner of the Valpo -Bama game gets BYU... who just destroyed SLU over the last 10 minutes...92-62, BYU is 4-0, SLU is 2-2. 11,050 watching that game at the buzzer on the youtube channel.
Yikes, Bryce is going to have a tough time after that loss to Bucknell. They aren't the same quality team from a few years ago (2011-2012/2012-2013 seasons), and had just lost to Butler by 26.
Quote from: valpotx on November 22, 2016, 04:13:47 AMYikes, Bryce is going to have a tough time after that loss to Bucknell. They aren't the same quality team from a few years ago (2011-2012/2012-2013 seasons), and had just lost to Butler by 26.
That was Byrce's first loss to Butler and it was a bad one.
Way way too early....but what if Bryce doesn't have success there? Does he go to another mid-major? Does he become an assistant? I believe in time he will turn it around. But very interesting to speculate
They play Butler on Thursday. I was mentioning that Bucknell isn't the same quality team from a few years back and lost to Butler by 26, yet Vandy lost to Bucknell.
Not sure what the comment about Scott underperforming was, but Scott has exceeded all expectations in his 14 years at Baylor (wow that's hard to believe it's been 14 years). He has competed for Big 12 tournament titles, been a perennial NCAA team and has sent a number of talented players to the NBA all without any major issues. He righted the ship there after Bliss and has a 252-172 record (essentially highest winning percentage of any Baylor coach) despite a completely decimated program when he took over (21-63 his first 3 years). Not to mention his Christian outreach. Baylor was not a basketball school before Scott got there and it is clearly a upper tier program now. Moreover, it is still a private school in the middle of a conference of Kansas, Oklahoma and Texas.
And, can we please let Bryce have some time to learn the SEC and build his program. We want him to have success too as that does reflect well on what he learned and accomplished at Valpo. In fact, their struggles show that Stallings didn't exactly leave the cupboard full and maybe why he left. Those last 4 years weren't exactly stellar, but Vandy will have patience as long as they are competing for NCAA bids. Again a private school in the midst of Kentucky, Tennessee, and LSU basketball. Although competing in the SEC doesn't take much as we have seen with Alabama last night.
11/22/16: Oregon gets Tennessee 12:30pm CT on ESPN2 in the Consolation round game.
Fun game to watch... Indiana AT Fort Wayne (8pm Central) in front of "the largest crowd to ever watch a basketball game in the Coliseum"... "been sold out for about a year". The Mastadon's are favored to win the Summit.
Quote from: talksalot on November 22, 2016, 10:51:43 AM11/22/16: Oregon gets Tennessee 12:30pm CT on ESPN2 in the Consolation round game. Fun game to watch... Indiana AT Fort Wayne (8pm Central) in front of "the largest crowd to ever watch a basketball game in the Coliseum"... "been sold out for about a year". The Mastadon's are favored to win the Summit.
How did
IPFW Fort Wayne manage this and how can we do it
Quote from: hailcrusaders on November 22, 2016, 12:51:54 PM
Quote from: talksalot on November 22, 2016, 10:51:43 AM11/22/16: Oregon gets Tennessee 12:30pm CT on ESPN2 in the Consolation round game. Fun game to watch... Indiana AT Fort Wayne (8pm Central) in front of "the largest crowd to ever watch a basketball game in the Coliseum"... "been sold out for about a year". The Mastadon's are favored to win the Summit.
How did IPFW Fort Wayne manage this and how can we do it
IU is handling the tickets for this game, so it's essentially a home game to appease their Fort Wayne recruits/fanbase.
Quote from: a3uge on November 22, 2016, 01:07:54 PM
Quote from: hailcrusaders on November 22, 2016, 12:51:54 PM
Quote from: talksalot on November 22, 2016, 10:51:43 AM11/22/16: Oregon gets Tennessee 12:30pm CT on ESPN2 in the Consolation round game. Fun game to watch... Indiana AT Fort Wayne (8pm Central) in front of "the largest crowd to ever watch a basketball game in the Coliseum"... "been sold out for about a year". The Mastadon's are favored to win the Summit.
How did IPFW Fort Wayne manage this and how can we do it
IU is handling the tickets for this game, so it's essentially a home game to appease their Fort Wayne recruits/fanbase.
And I think it is a state school/state school or more likely parent/child thing. They will never come to the ARC. I use to lobby Creen about it and never got any hope from him.
Fort Wayne managed this in a similar way Valpo managed to get Purdue in the building a few years back, by losing their town's best hoopers to those big schools.
Ft. Wayne was only given about 2,500 tickets, from which they had to use some for comps. IU called all the shots as it basically is a home game for them as they took 7,500 tickets. It will be on the Big 10 Network. A number of years back IU played pre-season intra-squad games in FW and sold out the place every year. They discontinued the game at FW when the NCAA would not allow schools to play these games so far away from their campus.
Oregon 69 Tennessee 65 in OT
11/22/2016 #32 Oregon 69 Tennessee 65 OVERTIME Maui Invitational
11/22/2016 #341 Chicago State 103 East-West University 75
Hey Hey... the OOC Opponents perfect on the day!... Will not happen tomorrow, with Ball State and SUU playing each other, nice scouting opportunity for our staff..
11/23/2016 #145 Ball State Southern Utah Las Vegas Tourney Push
11/23/2016 #331 Southern Utah Ball State Las Vegas Tourney Push
11/23/2016 #32 Oregon UConn Maui Invitational
11/23/2016 #52 Alabama Saint Louis Las Vegas Tourney
11/23/2016 #5 Kentucky Cleveland State Lexington
11/23/2016 #92 Missouri State DePaul Chicago DePaul is 2-1, #196... beat Robert Morris and Milwaukee, Lost to Rutgers
oh, don't look now... IU scored the last 4 points of the half... to cut IPFW's lead to 38-36. Hoosiers led for about a minute early...playing catch-up.
Yeah when this game was decided, it was assumed IPFW would still be a dumpster fire.
for those not aware... FW 71 IU 68, as the mastadons outscore IU 6-3 in overtime.
Quote from: a3uge on November 22, 2016, 01:07:54 PMQuote from: hailcrusaders on November 22, 2016, 12:51:54 PMQuote from: talksalot on November 22, 2016, 10:51:43 AM11/22/16: Oregon gets Tennessee 12:30pm CT on ESPN2 in the Consolation round game. Fun game to watch... Indiana AT Fort Wayne (8pm Central) in front of "the largest crowd to ever watch a basketball game in the Coliseum"... "been sold out for about a year". The Mastadon's are favored to win the Summit.
How did IPFW Fort Wayne manage this and how can we do it
IU is handling the tickets for this game, so it's essentially a home game to appease their Fort Wayne recruits/fanbase.
Well that sure worked out well for them.
We usually have IPFW on the schedule. This years schedule is a fine one. However if IPFW and Oakland can get P5 teams to come to their gym, we too should be able to find a way.
We got Bama and byu this year as a result of our previous success. An invite at the big table that other HL schools couldn't get.
Quote from: oklahomamick on November 23, 2016, 06:30:44 AM
We usually have IPFW on the schedule. This years schedule is a fine one. However if IPFW and Oakland can get P5 teams to come to their gym, we too should be able to find a way.
We got Bama and buy this year as a result of our previous success. An invite at the big table that other HL schools couldn't get.
Most people say size doesn't matter but in Valpo's case the size of the ARC is too small compared to the record.
Quote from: bbtds on November 23, 2016, 07:24:10 AMQuote from: oklahomamick on November 23, 2016, 06:30:44 AMWe usually have IPFW on the schedule. This years schedule is a fine one. However if IPFW and Oakland can get P5 teams to come to their gym, we too should be able to find a way. We got Bama and buy this year as a result of our previous success. An invite at the big table that other HL schools couldn't get.
Most people say size doesn't matter but in Valpo's case the size of the ARC is too small compared to the record.
Fort Wayne was sold out with over 10,000. I think we need to have at least another 1500 or so to get consideration from Major Schools in the area If they would agree to come here to play a possible embarrassing lost to a Mid-Major
Oregon is up by 20 vs UConn in the second half.
Oakland gym is smaller than ours. They were able to get an sec school on the blacktop.
Quote from: oklahomamick on November 24, 2016, 09:54:14 PM
Oakland gym is smaller than ours. They were able to get an sec school on the blacktop.
Quote from: bbtds on November 23, 2016, 07:24:10 AMthe size of the ARC is too small compared to the record.
I watched portions of the Santa Clara- Arizona game and they will not be an easy opponent. This was after breaking down and watching Butler beat Vandy. From a talent, team development standpoint we could compete well with all of them.
Just for clarification, the IU vs. Fort Wayne was basically an IU "home" game. IU controlled everything, from ticket allotment to game time, etc. IU had nearly 80% of the tickets. While the TV announcers were drooling over the fact that FW sold out the game in 20 minutes, they only had about 1,200 to sell. the rest were sold in Bloomington as students could buy as many as 8 tickets per student like my grandaughter did. Info, my son was on the lower level and his tickets were $45.00 ea. FYI, I remember when Purdue came to VU the ticket prices were doubled for that game.
OK, so I've been out of town... getting caught up on things...First, I'll tell you that being in Columbus Ohio during their game against TTUN is quite an experience!
11/22/2016 #32 Oregon 69 Tennessee 65
11/22/2016 #341 Chicago State 103 East-West University 75
11/23/2016 #32 Oregon 79 UConn 69 Maui Invitational
11/23/2016 #52 Alabama 62 St Louis 57 Las Vegas Tourney
11/23/2016 #145 Ball State 94 #331 Southern Utah 83 Las Vegas Tourney Push
11/23/2016 #5 Kentucky 101 Cleveland State 70
11/23/2016 #92 DePaul 68 Missouri State 66 Chicago
11/24/2016 Iowa State 73 #118 Indiana State 71 Orlando FL Tourney
11/24/2016 Arizona 69 #195 Santa Clara 61 Las Vegas Tourney
11/25/2016 Grand Canyon 70 #346 Coppin State 37 Phoenix
11/25/2016 #37 Rhode Island 82 Belmont 73 Providence
11/25/2016 #5 Kentucky 111 Tennessee-Martin 76 Lexington
11/25/2016 Stanford 62 #118 Indiana State 62 Orlando FL Tourney
11/25/2016 Vanderbilt 76 #195 Santa Clara 66 Las Vegas Tourney
so the opponents with 7 wins, Ball State/SUU Push, and 4 losses... with two apiece by Indiana State and Santa Clara. (Both Sycamore losses were "impressive", by 2 to the Big12 and by 3 to Pac12)
and coming up tonight:
11/26/2016 #331 Southern Utah Life Pacific Cedar City, Utah
11/26/2016 #346 Chicago State Notre Dame South Bend
11/26/2016 Utah Valley BYU in Provo, UT "Cross Town Rivals"
and Tomorrow:
Indiana State (2-3) vs Quinnipiac (0-4) in Orlando
No Dakota State (5-1) @ Missouri State (3-1)
BYU gets stomped at home, 114-101 by the powerhouse Utah Valley State, who made 18 of 36 tries from the 3. Ugly, for us... :o
Quote from: vu72 on November 26, 2016, 07:03:08 PM
BYU gets stomped at home, 114-101 by the powerhouse Utah Valley State, who made 18 of 36 tries from the 3. Ugly, for us... :o
UVS had 4 players with 20 or more points.
Haws, the kid who forearmed Alec in the face and threw the ball at Lexus, was 1-10 from the field. I hated to see that.
HL foe UWM getting smashed 44-19 at half to a 1-6 Summit League South Dakota St.
Two OOC Finals from today...
Quinnipiac takes 7th place in the Orlando tournament 80-77 as Indiana State drops all three... Quinn's first win of the year.
Missouri State stays perfect at home (4-0) with a 64-50 win over North Dakota State.
OOC Schedule this week...
11/28/2016 Oregon Boise State Eugene
11/28/2016 Kentucky Arizona State Paradise Island, Bahamas
11/28/2016 Chestnut Hill College Coppin State Baltimore
11/29/2016 Alabama Charleston Southern Tuscaloosa
11/29/2016 Ball State IU-Kokomo Muncie
11/30/2016 Southern Utah UNLV Cedar City, Utah
11/30/2016 Coppin State Georgetown Washington DC
11/30/2016 Oregon Western Oregon Eugene
11/30/2016 Indiana State Northern Illinois Terre Haute
11/30/2016 Santa Clara UC - Irvine Santa Clara
11/30/2016 Chicago State UIC Chicago (@UIC)
12/2/2016 Alabama Texas Austin
12/3/2016 Southern Utah Oakland at Rochester, Mich.
12/3/2016 Oregon Savannah State Eugene (Savannah is averaging 17 3-ptrs made per game (120 of 293 attempts in 7 games)
12/3/2016 Ball State IUPUI Muncie
12/3/2016 Rhode Island Providence @ Providence
12/3/2016 Kentucky UCLA Lexington
12/3/2016 Missouri State Air Force Colorado Springs (MOST is 3rd in the country in 3-ptrs made (11.5) per game.
12/3/2016 Indiana State Utah State Logan Utah
12/3/2016 Santa Clara San Jose State San Jose
12/3/2016 Chicago State Western Illinois Macomb
ouch, ouch, ouch... pinch me... who's bright idea was it to schedule Kentucky this year???? ouch...
Kentucky 115 Arizona State 69 (RPI #157) in the Bahama's.... yes, 46 points.
Rebounds: KY 59, ASU 33
Assists: KY 33 ASU 15
Field Goals: KY 44/84 ASU 25/73
Blocks KY 9 ASU 4
At least they have to play UCLA on Saturday before our game....
So Coppin State has completed that monster road trip... got to settle in at home in Baltimore against "Chestnut Hill College"... fortunately, non-D1 games don't count in the RPI. Chestnut Hill 76 Coppin State 73. Eagles 0-8 on the year.
Quote from: talksalot on November 28, 2016, 09:55:44 PM
ouch, ouch, ouch... pinch me... who's bright idea was it to schedule Kentucky this year???? ouch...
Kentucky 115 Arizona State 69 (RPI #157) in the Bahama's.... yes, 46 points.
Rebounds: KY 59, ASU 33
Assists: KY 33 ASU 15
Field Goals: KY 44/84 ASU 25/73
Blocks KY 9 ASU 4
At least they have to play UCLA on Saturday before our game....
Even if we lose by 100, it's always a good idea to schedule Kentucky. They'll help Valpo's RPI and SOS regardless of the outcome.
Quote from: a3uge on November 28, 2016, 10:02:33 PMEven if we lose by 100, it's always a good idea to schedule Kentucky. They'll help Valpo's RPI and SOS regardless of the outcome.
Thank you coach Kampe... I knew you'd appear some day...
The Ducks salvaged something for us 68-63 over #222 Boise State...and Oregon has winless #323 Savannah State coming to Eugene this weekend. Their RPI is 73... will take a dive this weekend when they play the Tigers.
Quote from: talksalot on November 29, 2016, 07:46:14 AM
The Ducks salvaged something for us 68-63 over #222 Boise State...and Oregon has winless #323 Savannah State coming to Eugene this weekend. Their RPI is 73... will take a dive this weekend when they play the Tigers.
As the season progresses, Oregon's RPI will continue to get better as they'll be playing teams with winning out-of-conference records (because PAC12 teams don't really have to play road games).
Quote from: talksalot on November 28, 2016, 09:55:44 PMouch, ouch, ouch... pinch me... who's bright idea was it to schedule Kentucky this year? ouch...
Worst case-- our freshman spend big minutes on the court being schooled by some of the best. After that being intimidated anywhere by anyone will be unlikely.
Best case-- we hit some shots and compete. I will define "compete" at a later date.
We lost by 22 points, only thing they can do is stay top 25. Irregardless, if we didn't get At Large last year...we aren't getting it this year. We have years of reputation building seasons to go under this coach to gain the sort of At Large respect required. We also have to win a game in March on the big stage a handful of times.
Nice thoughts, and I really enjoy our effort and play this year, but zero chance for At Large. It's tournament champs or bust.
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on November 29, 2016, 09:47:18 AM
We lost by 22 points, only thing they can do is stay top 25. Irregardless, if we didn't get At Large last year...we aren't getting it this year. We have years of reputation building seasons to go under this coach to gain the sort of At Large respect required. We also have to win a game in March on the big stage a handful of times.
Nice thoughts, and I really enjoy our effort and play this year, but zero chance for At Large. It's tournament champs or bust.
Talking in absolutes like that is silly. Valpo only has one loss, so yes, it's possible to earn an at-large this season. It has nothing to do with previous success, reputation, or past tournament wins. Mid Tennessee State out of the Sun Belt was given a bid with 5 losses only a few years ago, and they hadn't won an NCAA tournament game since the 80s. Sure, the NCAA selection committee doesn't respect mid majors (sometimes), but nobody knows what they're going to do year to year. The criteria is ever changing.
While it's very unlikely Valpo only loses 2-3 more games the rest of the year, it also hasn't happened yet, so it remains a possibility. Its possible Valpo only loses 1 more game out of conference. Its possible Valpo only suffers 1 loss in conference, considering how poor the conference is this year. Not a "zero chance" like you say.
It's unlikely, but still possible.
Quote from: a3uge on November 29, 2016, 01:01:04 PM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on November 29, 2016, 09:47:18 AM
We lost by 22 points, only thing they can do is stay top 25. Irregardless, if we didn't get At Large last year...we aren't getting it this year. We have years of reputation building seasons to go under this coach to gain the sort of At Large respect required. We also have to win a game in March on the big stage a handful of times.
Nice thoughts, and I really enjoy our effort and play this year, but zero chance for At Large. It's tournament champs or bust.
Talking in absolutes like that is silly. Valpo only has one loss, so yes, it's possible to earn an at-large this season. It has nothing to do with previous success, reputation, or past tournament wins. Mid Tennessee State out of the Sun Belt was given a bid with 5 losses only a few years ago, and they hadn't won an NCAA tournament game since the 80s. Sure, the NCAA selection committee doesn't respect mid majors (sometimes), but nobody knows what they're going to do year to year. The criteria is ever changing.
While it's very unlikely Valpo only loses 2-3 more games the rest of the year, it also hasn't happened yet, so it remains a possibility. Its possible Valpo only loses 1 more game out of conference. Its possible Valpo only suffers 1 loss in conference, considering how poor the conference is this year. Not a "zero chance" like you say.
It's unlikely, but still possible.
I'm probably somewhere in between. I agree that we can't count out an at-large at this point. That said, the margin of error is probably smaller for the HL than any time since we joined the conference. Think back a couple of years ago. Murray State won 30 consecutive games after losing to us at the beginning of the season, then lost in the OVC tournament, and failed to earn an at-large with an RPI of something like 33. Their fate was in fact sealed all the way back in early November. Could that happen to us? Certainly it could. This year's HL is a dumpster fire with no quality wins - just terrible losses.
Quote from: wh on November 29, 2016, 01:26:48 PM
Quote from: a3uge on November 29, 2016, 01:01:04 PM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on November 29, 2016, 09:47:18 AM
We lost by 22 points, only thing they can do is stay top 25. Irregardless, if we didn't get At Large last year...we aren't getting it this year. We have years of reputation building seasons to go under this coach to gain the sort of At Large respect required. We also have to win a game in March on the big stage a handful of times.
Nice thoughts, and I really enjoy our effort and play this year, but zero chance for At Large. It's tournament champs or bust.
Talking in absolutes like that is silly. Valpo only has one loss, so yes, it's possible to earn an at-large this season. It has nothing to do with previous success, reputation, or past tournament wins. Mid Tennessee State out of the Sun Belt was given a bid with 5 losses only a few years ago, and they hadn't won an NCAA tournament game since the 80s. Sure, the NCAA selection committee doesn't respect mid majors (sometimes), but nobody knows what they're going to do year to year. The criteria is ever changing.
While it's very unlikely Valpo only loses 2-3 more games the rest of the year, it also hasn't happened yet, so it remains a possibility. Its possible Valpo only loses 1 more game out of conference. Its possible Valpo only suffers 1 loss in conference, considering how poor the conference is this year. Not a "zero chance" like you say.
It's unlikely, but still possible.
I'm probably somewhere in between. I agree that we can't count out an at-large at this point. That said, the margin of error is probably smaller for the HL than any time since we joined the conference. Think back a couple of years ago. Murray State won 30 consecutive games after losing to us at the beginning of the season, then lost in the OVC tournament, and failed to earn an at-large with an RPI of something like 33. Their fate was in fact sealed all the way back in early November. Could that happen to us? Certainly it could. This year's HL is a dumpster fire with no quality wins - just terrible losses.
I see your point, but you got a couple facts wrong in the Murray State comparison. While still impressive, they won 25 in a row, not 30. Their RPI was 63 (!), not in the 30's. They had a 239 RPI loss, and only one top 100 win (which was at home). 5 losses would probably leave Valpo out, but their resume would still be way more impressive than Murray State's 3 years ago.
I can't see Valpo winning out in conference, but if there's certainly a path.
I suppose it wouldn't hurt to bring up profits. The NCAA is looking for Return On Investment. VU has how big of an alumni base? Is it "Chicagos Team"? What viewership do we bring to the table? Is it likely Peters is going to hit The Shot 2.0?
Just some opinions, no facts.
P.S. Did the B1G invite Rutgers and Maryland for any other reason outside of TV viewership or recruiting territory expansion?
Just so we can ponder some of the alchemy employed in the early ranking systems I'll throw out a few comparative numbers.
Warren Nollen Sagarine Pomeroy
Oakland 136 85 130
Vanderbilt 110 68 70
Alabama 143 73 73
BYU 185 72 60
Rhode Island 58 50 42
Valpo 55 78 74
These look to be updated for all of the Tuesday Nov 29'th action. Too early for anything to mean much but already some significant puzzlements.
Wow! I sure don't understand those rankings but I guess it is still early to get a good feel for where teams are.
11/29/2016 Alabama 76 Charleston Southern 46 Tuscaloosa
11/29/2016 Ball State 92 IU-Kokomo 52 Muncie (No Post-Valpo Burnout there...)
11/30/2016 Georgetown 96 Coppin State 44 Washington DC
11/30/2016 Indiana State 63 Northern Illinois 52 Terre Haute
11/30/2016 UIC 74 Chicago State 58 (@UIC)
11/30/2016 UC - Irvine 58 Santa Clara 55 Santa Clara SC shot 33%, UCI shot 55% ... 15 total free throws in the game, each team hitting 4. Different officials working those games, I guess.
11/30/2016 UNLV 89 Southern Utah 81 Cedar City, Utah
11/30/2016 Oregon 93 Western Oregon 54 Eugene
so the OOC opponents go 2-4 on the night, but the UIC win is better for us since we play them twice.
Sagarin holds steady at #78
Nolan RPI bumps us UP to #48
Kentucky's Nolan RPI is #25
Missouri State's is 88
Indiana State is 238
Santa Clara 257
Chicago State 200
Quote from: justducky on November 30, 2016, 04:44:48 PM
Just so we can ponder some of the alchemy employed in the early ranking systems I'll throw out a few comparative numbers.
Warren Nollen Sagarine Pomeroy
Oakland 136 85 130
Vanderbilt 110 68 70
Alabama 143 73 73
BYU 185 72 60
Rhode Island 58 50 42
Valpo 55 78 74
These look to be updated for all of the Tuesday Nov 29'th action. Too early for anything to mean much but already some significant puzzlements.
Part of the reason why our KenPom number seems higher than most would think is that his numbers have us ranked as the 4th luckiest team in the country.
Only one Opponent OOC game Friday night... and the Tide blows a 12-point second-half lead... and loses at Texas 77-68...
12/3/2016 Kentucky UCLA Lexington
The 11th-ranked Bruins' hot start to the season continued with a 97-92 win at Kentucky. UCLA star Lonzo Ball had 14 points, 7 assists, 6 rebounds and this big late 3-pointer. UCLA scores an official 1.17 points per possession. Loss sends John Calipari's record at Rupp crashing all the way down to 124-5.
Don't know if they'll retain #1 after that showing!
12/3/2016 Ball State up 7 at the half on IUPUI... and the Jaguars came back to win it 73-62.
12/3/2016 Chicago State beats Western Illinois 83-76 in Overtime
12/3/2016 Oakland 78 Southern Utah 68 hurts now, helps later
the Valpo RPI is 55 with these games to come...and that URI game will be big !
12/3/2016 Rhode Island is up 4 with 11 to play @ Providence
and you can read all about the URI LOSS here:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20161203_RI@PROV
12/3/2016 Oregon Savannah State Eugene 5:00pm
Uh, the Ducks scored 70 points. in the SECOND half! 128-59
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/gametracker/recap/NCAAB_20161203_SAV@OREG
Valpo's RPI falls to 59 after the URI loss
12/3/2106 USC 91 BYU 84... as the Valpo curse continues
and Valpo's RPI falls to 69 when that score is posted, three more to try to recover some of this. Since we haven't played any of these schools, they won't impact us tonight...
12/3/2016 Missouri State Air Force Colorado Springs 8pm (Most favored by 3.5, Bears down 8 with 13 to play... and the Falcons won it 83-70.
12/3/2016 Indiana State Utah State Logan Utah (USU favored by 5, USU up 11 with 16 to play). TJ Bell with a layup with 2-seconds on the clock and the Sycamores win it 62-61.
12/3/2016 San Jose State 55 Santa Clara 40 San Jose (SJSU favored by 2.5)
Quote from: justducky on November 30, 2016, 04:44:48 PM
Just so we can ponder some of the alchemy employed in the early ranking systems I'll throw out a few comparative numbers.
Warren Nollen Sagarine Pomeroy
Oakland 136 85 130
Vanderbilt 110 68 70
Alabama 143 73 73
BYU 185 72 60
Rhode Island 58 50 42
Valpo 55 78 74
These look to be updated for all of the Tuesday Nov 29'th action. Too early for anything to mean much but already some significant puzzlements.
Did you take an alchemy class at Valpo?
Only one "Game" on Sunday for our OOC opponents...Coppin State (0-8) (RPI #333) @ Clemson (4-2) (RPI #16) 2pm. Tigers are favored by 39.
That is one of three games where the underdog is given 0% chance of winning (NCA&T @ Notre Dame; Radford @ North Carolina)
You guys remember that bottom feeder Loyola?
They are atop the Missouri valley now. I know it's only 8 games in but I never thought they would on the top of mvc. Not at any point of the season.
Our old friend wardle at .500
looking at this week's matchups...
12/6/2016 Ball State Bradley Muncie (BSU #301, Bradley #225)
12/6/2016 Rhode Island Old Dominion Kingston, RI (Hope Rhody can snap out of it)
12/7/2016 Coppin State Akron Akron (CSU still winless)
12/7/2016 Missouri State Southeast Missouri State Cape Girardeau (MoSt undefeated at home, winless on road)
12/7/2016 Indiana State Butler Terre Haute (ISU is #193, that would be a nice win for them at home)
12/8/2016 Southern Utah Loyola Marymount at Los Angeles, Calif. (SUU is winless in D1 games, MMts only win is over #308 Portland St)
12/10/2016 Southern Utah Cal State Fullerton at Fullerton, Calif. (#339 vs #332... ought to be a good one!)
12/10/2016 Coppin State Buffalo Buffalo (Buff is 2-4, but 0-3 against T50 teams)
12/10/2016 Ball State Eastern Kentucky Muncie
12/10/2016 Rhode Island Houston Houston
12/10/2016 Santa Clara Cal State - East Bay Santa Clara
12/10/2016 Chicago State Bradley Peoria
12/10/2016 Colorado BYU Provo
12/11/2016 Indiana State Western Kentucky Terre Haute
12/11/2016 Oregon Alabama Eugene - push
12/11/2016 Alabama Oregon Eugene - push
12/11/2016 Kentucky Hofstra Lexington
12/11/2016 Chicago State Saint Louis St Louis
Monday Morning quarterback Sagarins:
Valpo 80
Oregon 25
Rhode Island 47
BYU 69
Alabama 82
Ball State 201
Southern Utah 327
Coppin State 349
Yet to play:
Kentucky 6
Missouri State 107
Indiana State 120
Santa Clara 236
Chicago State 321
Conference:
Valpo 80 6-1
Oakland 81 6-1
Green Bay 158 3-4
Wright State 186 5-3
Northern Kentucky 187 4-3
UIC 231 3-4
Youngstown State 255 3-4
Milwaukee 270 2-5
Cleveland State 274 2-5
Detroit 308 0-7 (one of 25 D1 teams still winless, along with Coppin State and Southern Utah)
I thought we would be better than 80. But I suppose ssu and coppin weighing us down.
I wonder just how much we drop if we lose to #7 on their court.
Ucla messed it up. Wish Kentucky was #1. What is the highest rank team we have ever played? Have we ever played a #1?
Quote from: oklahomamick on December 05, 2016, 07:57:07 PM
I thought we would be better than 80. But I suppose ssu and coppin weighing us down.
I wonder just how much we drop if we lose to #7 on their court.
Ucla messed it up. Wish Kentucky was #1. What is the highest rank team we have ever played? Have we ever played a #1?
5 times.
12/20/2008 #1 UNC @ United Center
12/30/2007 #1 UNC
12/18/2005 #1 Duke
12/19/2004 #1 Illinois (lol)
12/13/1980 #1 DePaul at home, in the hilltop gym
3 times a #2 overall, 6 times a #3 overall
Quote from: oklahomamick on December 05, 2016, 07:57:07 PMHave we ever played a #1?
It was recruiting boilerplate for a while that we had played the #1 team four years out of five.
When Lottich says on the coach's preview show that the players are excited to play KY I believe him.
12/6/2016 Ball State 80 Bradley 63 in Muncie
12/6/2016 Rhode Island 51 Old Dominion 39 Kingston, RI and ODU outscored URI 22-20 in the second half...
OOOP Texas and Utah Valley both lost... so it was not a complete sweep for us...
BUT, Valpo's RPI stays at 58; Sagarin up a few spaces to 77
Provided for entertainment purposes only... :-X
the Nolan Predictor doubled our chances of winning tonight... from 1% to 2%; and decreased the line from 30 down to 29. The VegasInsider line is 20, with a half-time spread of 12.5 point. 75% of the side money is going on BBN to cover. For the year, Valpo is 3-3 against the spread. the O/U is 155 and that is getting some action in Vegas; shifting up from 153. They are predicting 87-67 as the Final +/- one point for either team.
684 mile round-trip. My wife said this confirms that I'm nuts.
Quote from: talksalot on December 07, 2016, 11:02:24 AM684 mile round-trip. My wife said this confirms that I'm nuts.
And you have never given us reason to question her judgement. ::) There should be some memories created from this trip but I am not yet certain how many of them will be good!
Drive fast but safe!
Quote from: oklahomamick on December 05, 2016, 07:12:53 AM
You guys remember that bottom feeder Loyola?
They are atop the Missouri valley now. I know it's only 8 games in but I never thought they would on the top of mvc. Not at any point of the season.
Our old friend wardle at .500
Everybody is 0-0
Quote from: oklahomamick on December 05, 2016, 07:12:53 AM
You guys remember that bottom feeder Loyola?
They are atop the Missouri valley now. I know it's only 8 games in but I never thought they would on the top of mvc. Not at any point of the season.
Our old friend wardle at .500
Yes, the Ramblers are off to a nice start at 5-2 against D-1 competition. That said, they're picked to finish 7th in the MVC, so time will tell. You may recall that they began the 2010-11 season 7-0, then went 9-15 (7-11 in the HL) the rest of the way.
Valpo started the day with an rpi of 58...
12/7/2016 Akron 87 Coppin State 63 @Akron (CSU still winless)
12/7/2016 Missouri State 79 Southeast Missouri State 71 First road win for the Bears
12/7/2016 Indiana State 72 Butler 71 my two favorite teams are Valpo and whomever beats Butler.
12/7/2016 BYU 77 Weber State 66
so the combination of the BYU win and us playing Kentucky, boosted the Rpi to 50
Quote from: talksalot on December 08, 2016, 08:30:01 AMValpo started the day with an rpi of 58... 12/7/2016 Akron 87 Coppin State 63 @Akron (CSU still winless) 12/7/2016 Missouri State 79 Southeast Missouri State 71 First road win for the Bears 12/7/2016 Indiana State 72 Butler 71 my two favorite teams are Valpo and whomever beats Butler. 12/7/2016 BYU 77 Weber State 66 so the combination of the BYU win and us playing Kentucky, boosted the Rpi to 50
Disappointed that Indiana St. can get Butler at home and we can't.
Quote from: oklahomamick on December 08, 2016, 12:13:02 PM
Quote from: talksalot on December 08, 2016, 08:30:01 AMValpo started the day with an rpi of 58... 12/7/2016 Akron 87 Coppin State 63 @Akron (CSU still winless) 12/7/2016 Missouri State 79 Southeast Missouri State 71 First road win for the Bears 12/7/2016 Indiana State 72 Butler 71 my two favorite teams are Valpo and whomever beats Butler. 12/7/2016 BYU 77 Weber State 66 so the combination of the BYU win and us playing Kentucky, boosted the Rpi to 50
Disappointed that Indiana St. can get Butler at home and we can't.
Guessing that will be the last time Butler will go to ISU.
Quote from: oklahomamick on December 08, 2016, 12:13:02 PM
Quote from: talksalot on December 08, 2016, 08:30:01 AMValpo started the day with an rpi of 58... 12/7/2016 Akron 87 Coppin State 63 @Akron (CSU still winless) 12/7/2016 Missouri State 79 Southeast Missouri State 71 First road win for the Bears 12/7/2016 Indiana State 72 Butler 71 my two favorite teams are Valpo and whomever beats Butler. 12/7/2016 BYU 77 Weber State 66 so the combination of the BYU win and us playing Kentucky, boosted the Rpi to 50
Disappointed that Butler will go to Indiana St. but not Valparaiso.
FTFY
Quote from: oklahomamick on December 08, 2016, 12:13:02 PM
Quote from: talksalot on December 08, 2016, 08:30:01 AMValpo started the day with an rpi of 58... 12/7/2016 Akron 87 Coppin State 63 @Akron (CSU still winless) 12/7/2016 Missouri State 79 Southeast Missouri State 71 First road win for the Bears 12/7/2016 Indiana State 72 Butler 71 my two favorite teams are Valpo and whomever beats Butler. 12/7/2016 BYU 77 Weber State 66 so the combination of the BYU win and us playing Kentucky, boosted the Rpi to 50
Disappointed that Indiana St. can get Butler at home and we can't.
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I'm not sure that they won't come but rather they won't come unless we give them a two for one. That just rubs us the wrong way. I suspect Indiana State may have gone for the two for one thing.
Only one OOC playing today... TBirds of SUUUUU at Loyola Marymount, ESPN shows the Lions favored by 11 over the D1-Winless SUUUU.
Fun game on CBSSportsNet would be Vandy AT Middle Tennessee State... MTSU is FAVORED by 2. (MidTenn's RPI is 5, coming off a 15-point road win at Ole Miss last week)
Quote from: talksalot on December 08, 2016, 01:52:22 PMFun game on CBSSportsNet would be Vandy AT Middle Tennessee State... MTSU is FAVORED by 2. (MidTenn's RPI is 5, coming off a 15-point road win at Ole Miss last week)
MTSU 71-48... Final.... as with Butler @ Indiana State... this will be the last Vandy trip to Murfreesboro for a long time. Commodores fall to 5-5; MTSU goes to 9-1.
Loyola Marymount 75 Southern Utah 68... at least the TBirds covered the 11-point spread.
Tweet from TBird Nation:
LMU leads 40-28 at halftime. Onwuasor and McGee lead SUU with 13 points each, combining for 26 of SUU's 28 points.
Maybe they'll have better luck on Saturday as they stay on the coast to play Cal State-Fullerton.
and Valpo's RPI falls from #50 to #51.
and Valpo's Sagarin falls to #80.
Quote from: talksalot on December 08, 2016, 08:01:50 PM
Quote from: talksalot on December 08, 2016, 01:52:22 PMFun game on CBSSportsNet would be Vandy AT Middle Tennessee State... MTSU is FAVORED by 2. (MidTenn's RPI is 5, coming off a 15-point road win at Ole Miss last week)
MTSU 71-48... Final.... as with Butler @ Indiana State... this will be the last Vandy trip to Murfreesboro for a long time. Commodores fall to 5-5; MTSU goes to 9-1.
and MTSU's RPI climbs to #4 on that win....Vandy falls to #92
Titans showing some slight indication of life with a halftime lead over Bowling Green. CSU not so much in their first half vs Purdue. Homer on that broadcast team.
12/10/2016 0-1 Buffalo 87 Coppin State 52
12/10/2016 1-1 Ball State 91 Eastern Kentucky 86 OVERTIME Muncie
12/10/2016 1-2 Houston 82 Rhode Island 77 Houston
12/10/2016 2-2 Santa Clara 75 Cal State-East Bay-NonD1 50
Valpo's rpi drops to 52 after the first set of finals for the day, This mornings Sagarin is 80.
12/10/2016 Southern Utah Cal State Fullerton at Fullerton, Calif. 9PM
12/10/2016 Chicago State Bradley Peoria 9PM
12/10/2016 Colorado BYU Provo 10PM
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Quote from: talksalot on December 10, 2016, 04:25:33 PM
12/10/2016 0-1 Buffalo 87 Coppin State 52
12/10/2016 1-1 Ball State 91 Eastern Kentucky 86 OVERTIME Muncie
12/10/2016 1-2 Houston 82 Rhode Island 77 Houston
12/10/2016 2-2 Santa Clara 75 Cal State-East Bay-NonD1 50
Valpo's rpi drops to 52 after the first set of finals for the day, This mornings Sagarin is 80.
12/10/2016 Southern Utah Cal State Fullerton at Fullerton, Calif. 9PM
12/10/2016 Chicago State Bradley Peoria 9PM
12/10/2016 Colorado BYU Provo 10PM
The URI board must be going ballistic. I believe Rhody was ahead at the half. We've got to send good vibes their way.
12/10/2016 0-1 Buffalo 87 Coppin State 52
12/10/2016 1-1 Ball State 91 Eastern Kentucky 86 OVERTIME Muncie
12/10/2016 1-2 Houston 82 Rhode Island 77 Houston
12/10/2016 2-2 Santa Clara 75 Cal State-East Bay-NonD1 50
Valpo's rpi drops to 52 after the first set of finals for the day, This mornings Sagarin is 80.
12/10/2016 2-3 Cal State Fullerton 75 Souther Utah 62 at Fullerton
12/10/2016 2-4 Bradley 83 Chicago State 48 at Peoria
12/10/2016 3-4 BYU 79 Colorado 71
and the RPI jumped to 40 after the MoSt win; and now up to 38 after the BYU game goes final. outstanding!
FWIW Hassan Martin wasn't playing for URI.
Quote from: a3uge on December 10, 2016, 11:13:52 PM
FWIW Hassan Martin wasn't playing for URI.
Rhode Island's Hassan Martin to miss rest of season after knee injury
On Wed, 02/24/2016 - 1:58pm.
by CBS Sports
Quote from: talksalot on December 11, 2016, 12:01:39 PM
Quote from: a3uge on December 10, 2016, 11:13:52 PM
FWIW Hassan Martin wasn't playing for URI.
Rhode Island's Hassan Martin to miss rest of season after knee injury
On Wed, 02/24/2016 - 1:58pm.
by CBS Sports
That is really going to hurt our rpi. Martin was going to be a pro. Hopefully he will make a full recovery.
Today's OOC games
12/11/2016 4-4 Kentucky 96 Hofstra 73 BBN goes on a 21-1 run and pulls away 96-73... deja VU all over again.
12/11/2016 4-5 Chicago State Saint Louis St Louis 2pm CT
Zeke Moore blocked Trayvon Palmer's 3-point attempt in the closing seconds and Saint Louis held on for a 45-43 win over Chicago State on Sunday.
12/11/2016 4-6 Western Kentucky 77 Indiana State 59 !! @ the Hulman Center
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400918212
Valpo's RPI is up to 36 !!!!! Thank you KY
12/11/2016 Oregon Alabama Eugene - push 5PM CT - Ducks up 23-12 at the under-8 media time-out.
the DuckTide game doesn't matter to our RPI...
Indiana State was 115 RPI... falls to 165 with that loss.. they fall to 4-5 on the year... the Hilltoppers RPI climbs up to 260.
Based on RPI, we are the best team ISU will face the rest of the year... we have a better RPI than every Valley team.
Quote from: talksalot on December 11, 2016, 12:01:39 PM
Quote from: a3uge on December 10, 2016, 11:13:52 PM
FWIW Hassan Martin wasn't playing for URI.
Rhode Island's Hassan Martin to miss rest of season after knee injury
On Wed, 02/24/2016 - 1:58pm.
by CBS Sports
That was last year. He's out with a quad injury but hasn't been ruled out the rest of the season.
12/11/2016 Oregon Alabama Eugene - push 5PM CT - Ducks up 23-12 at the under-8 media time-out.
the DuckTide game doesn't matter to our RPI...
The Tide came from 12 down to tie it at 56... and the ducks go on a 9-0 run over the last 1:45 to win it 65-56
Before that game went final... Valpo's WarrenNolan RPI figures:
#37 0.6138 SOS #99 0.5422
Immediately after that final was posted:
#38 0.6111 SOS #102 0.5387
so... perhaps not a "push" afterall... Could not find any other games that finished during this 5 minute stretch.
(Savannah State is in OT at Oregon State... they lost by 70 to Oregon last Thursday)
Quote from: talksalot on December 11, 2016, 01:42:37 PM12/11/2016 Oregon Alabama Eugene - push 5PM CT - Ducks up 23-12 at the under-8 media time-out.
the DuckTide game doesn't matter to our RPI...
Indiana State was 115 RPI... falls to 165 with that loss.. they fall to 4-5 on the year... the Hilltoppers RPI climbs up to 260.
Alabama now looks to be a much better team than when we faced them. They had the lead with only a few minutes left and their athleticism coupled with more experience could magnify the importance of our victory over them. As for the Hilltoppers they just looked like a good team and the better team for almost all of the game. I now do not know what to expect from Indiana St.
Everybody, everywhere is playing and improving (well maybe not Detroit) so I still am not comfortable on our standing in this larger mix.
12/13/2016 Oregon Montana Eugene
12/13/2016 Santa Clara UC-Riverside Santa Clara
12/14/2016 Missouri State Oral Roberts Springfield, MO
12/14/2016 Chicago State Northwestern Chicago (@Nwestern)
12/15/2016 Coppin State Goldey-Beacom College Baltimore (The GBC Lightning have won 5-straight)...
12/15/2016 Alabama South Carolina-Upstate Tuscaloosa
12/17/2016 Southern Utah IUPUI Cedar City, Utah
12/17/2016 Oregon UNLV Moda Center, Portland
12/17/2016 Kentucky North Carolina T-Mobile Arena, Las Vegas
12/17/2016 Missouri State Southeast Missouri State Springfield, MO
12/17/2016 Santa Clara Washington State Pullman
12/17/2016 Chicago State DePaul Chicago (@Depaul)
Quote from: talksalot on December 11, 2016, 07:12:05 PMthe DuckTide game doesn't matter to our RPI...
DuckTide, sounds like something that happens when you have too many ducks on your pond. ;D
Or, two Wisconsin amphibious vehicles are even at the end
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47eWDf8u-9M
Well, finally got the answer to the Jabril/Max issue!! :( ??? :(
What issue? There is no issue. :-X Otherwise, I'm sure it would have been the subject of some conversation in the preview ::)
wasnt there a player who was dismissed before the season started? He was a transfer. We never received details on that either. Just hope they are playing Saturday.
Love the idea of expanding the crossroad classic. Great for entire state base, businesses in Indy, fans, students, fans, high school coaches.
I wonder if legislatures would have to encourage it and pull some weight (you know like the way Baylor got into the B12). I wonder how aggressive our athletic department is when trying to put the program is good situations? Maybe they try, I don't know.
Quote from: oklahomamick on December 14, 2016, 05:43:29 PM
Love the idea of expanding the crossroad classic. Great for entire state base, businesses in Indy, fans, students, fans, high school coaches.
I wonder if legislatures would have to encourage it and pull some weight (you know like the way Baylor got into the B12). I wonder how aggressive our athletic department is when trying to put the program is good situations? Maybe they try, I don't know.
Are you referring to the legislature forcing IU and Purdue to play the Indiana mid-majors in a preseason Crossroads Classic? Novel idea.
Personally, I see something like that, played in Indianapolis, being a great thing for the state and college basketball, as whole. This could be as insane as Hoosier Hysteria. And get tremendous press for all teams involved. It would be closed to outsiders. It would showcase Indiana college basketball. The big boys would actually have to get psyched to play the E'villes, Valpos and IPFWs. Upsets would not be frequent but RPIs would all do well on a state-wide average.
Quote from: VULB#62 on December 14, 2016, 06:16:44 PM
Quote from: oklahomamick on December 14, 2016, 05:43:29 PM
Love the idea of expanding the crossroad classic. Great for entire state base, businesses in Indy, fans, students, fans, high school coaches.
I wonder if legislatures would have to encourage it and pull some weight (you know like the way Baylor got into the B12). I wonder how aggressive our athletic department is when trying to put the program is good situations? Maybe they try, I don't know.
Are you referring to the legislature forcing IU and Purdue to play the Indiana mid-majors in a preseason Crossroads Classic? Novel idea.
Personally, I see something like that, played in Indianapolis, being a great thing for the state and college basketball, as whole. This could be as insane as Hoosier Hysteria. And get tremendous press for all teams involved. It would be closed to outsiders. It would showcase Indiana college basketball. The big boys would actually have to get psyched to play the E'villes, Valpos and IPFWs. Upsets would not be frequent but RPIs would all do well on a state-wide average.
You should listen to the Union Street Hoops podcast. You'd enjoy it.
Haven't had the time but I will. Thanks.
Don't look now but, Northwestern survives Chicago State 68-64. They were within 2 with under 60 seconds to go. A guy named Fred Sims hit 7 3's, many of which were well beyond the NBA 3 line. They are VERY athletic and small. They also appeared to be well coached. If they are "on" we will have our hands full. Now on to watch Wisconsin and Green Bay!!
And now, UIC takes down DePaul!! Very athletic and long. Should be a good game on the 30th which I will be attending!!
Sounds like they paid a heavy price with Dixon going down with an apparent knee injury.
QuoteLove the idea of expanding the crossroad classic. Great for entire state base, businesses in Indy, fans, students, fans, high school coaches.
I wonder if legislatures would have to encourage it and pull some weight (you know like the way Baylor got into the B12). I wonder how aggressive our athletic department is when trying to put the program is good situations? Maybe they try, I don't know.
haha I wish. It would be great for college basketball and the state of Indiana but considering how IU, ND, and Purdue make up a large base of Indiana college sports fans I would bank on it happening since those teams, technically have more to lose from playing one of the top mid-major teams in the nation on a neutral court. Wouldn't be popular with those fans.
But if the legislature could figure out a way to raise a great deal of tax revenue for the State via, TV rights to a College Basketball State of Indiana Tournament then
MAYBE they would consider pushing some button to get something done, but I don't see the urge by any politician willing to push such an agenda. Maybe if there was a large financial incentive for the IU, Purdue and ND's of Indiana schools to participate such as prize $ for the Top 3 schools Athletic Departments or scholarship fund from the TV rights of the tournament. Either way I don't see it happening.
Still confused on the Jubril/ Max "issue". Am i missing something on the whole thing? Are they done? Off the team? Suspended? If so , how long? Etc, etc??
Quote from: valpo64 on December 15, 2016, 12:35:57 PM
Still confused on the Jubril/ Max "issue". Am i missing something on the whole thing? Are they done? Off the team? Suspended? If so , how long? Etc, etc??
I'd ask Paul Oren. He doesn't know!! ;)
Dixon done for the year.
Quote from: M on December 15, 2016, 05:16:57 PM
Dixon done for the year.
They looked really good without him.
Back on topic... Coppin State down 43-31 at the half to goldey-beacom college...
Quote from: vu72 on December 15, 2016, 05:52:56 PM
Quote from: M on December 15, 2016, 05:16:57 PM
Dixon done for the year.
They looked really good without him.
Ya gotta feel sorry for the kid (and UIC). I wish him a full recovery. The kid is good and the HL needs quality teams. Oren says that he has exceeded the %age of games played to be a medical red shirt.
12/13/2016 Oregon 81 Montana 67
12/13/2016 Santa Clara 77 UC-Riverside 53 (nice second half, they were tied at 33 late in first half)
12/14/2016 Missouri State 86 Oral Roberts 76
12/14/2016 Northwestern 68 Chicago State 64
12/15/2016 Coppin State 89 Goldey-Beacom College 83... First win of the year for the Eagles.
12/15/2016 Alabama 78 South Carolina-Upstate 61
12/17/2016 Southern Utah IUPUI Cedar City, Utah
so far... its been a pretty good week for the opposition, and the Valpo RPI holds at 36... could be some resume-helpers here!
12/17/2016 Chicago State DePaul (@Depaul) 1PM
12/17/2016 Santa Clara Washington State Pullman 3PM
12/17/2016 Kentucky North Carolina T-Mobile Arena, Las Vegas 4:30pm
12/17/2016 Missouri State Southeast Missouri State Springfield, MO 5pm
12/17/2016 IUPUI Southern Utah 5pm
12/17/2016 BYU Illinois Champaign 8:30pm
12/17/2016 Oregon UNLV Moda Center, Portland 10PM
12/17/2016 DePaul 109 Chicago State 61
Eli Cain hit seven 3-pointers and scored a career-high 31 points, Tre'Darius McCallum had his second-career double-double and DePaul cruised to a 109-61 victory over Chicago State on Saturday.
12/17/2016 Washington State 69 Santa Clara 68 Pullman 3PM
PULLMAN, Wash. -- Josh Hawkinson scored 21 points and Washington State staged a furious comeback in the last six minutes, defeating Santa Clara 69-68 on Saturday when Charles Callison came up with the game-saving block.
The Cougars (6-5) scored 14 of the game's final 16 points, but couldn't breathe a sigh of relief until Callison sealed the win with his last second block of SCU's Jared Brownridge. It was only fitting that the game lied in their hands, as Brownridge had scored 25 points and Callison was at the center of WSU's rally.
The Cougars trailed 66-55 with less than six minutes to play when they began to catch their rhythm. Callison brought WSU to within 66-65 on a 3-pointer with 2:09 remaining, and his layup with 1:25 left gave the team its first lead since halftime.
Santa Clara (5-7) missed its last seven shots, but still had a chance to send the game into overtime in the closing seconds when they trailed 69-66. WSU chose to foul Jarvis Pugh with seven seconds left to prevent a 3-pointer, and his pair of free throws brought within one.
Callison, who ranks third in the Pac-12 in free throw percentage, missed the front end of a one-and-one to set the stage for the thrilling conclusion. Brownridge pulled up near the 3-point line, only to have Callison swat away the game winner.
"I knew he was going to try to get the last shot up at the 3 and I just tried to make a big play and not foul him," Callison said.
WSU showed a level of resiliency that was lacking in previous seasons, but third-year WSU coach Ernie Kent believe Saturday's comeback could be the turning in his program.
"One of the things that has kept me awake a lot of nights the last three years is when they have that saying at the end of an event here that we Coug'd it and I always kept saying `Boy, wouldn't it be great to change that around to where it meant a positive thing, that Coug'd it means you pulled it out,' " Kent said. "...Maybe this is the start of something for us."
BIG PICTURE
Santa Clara: Brownridge reached the 25-point mark for the fourth time this season, and improved his scoring average to 17.6 points per game. His seven made 3-pointers tied a season high. The Broncos have one game remaining before West Coast Conference play begins against BYU.
12/17/2016 Kentucky 103 North Carolina 100
Malik Monk scored a Kentucky freshman record 47 points and hit the go-ahead 3-pointer with 16.7 seconds left to lead the sixth-ranked Wildcats past No. 7 North Carolina 103-100 on Saturday.
12/17/2016 Missouri State 71 Southeast Missouri State 66
Ryan Kreklow scored 17 points Saturday night and Missouri State held off Southeast Missouri for a 71-66 win in the campus round of the Continental Tire Las Vegas Classic.
12/17/2016 IUPUI 101 Southern Utah 81
Matt O'Leary scored 20 points and Darell Combs added 16 as IUPUI routed Southern Utah 101-81 on Saturday night.... shooting 60% from the field to do it.
12/17/2016 Illinois 75 BYU 73 @ United Center; and the VALPO RPI falls to 36 on the Cougar loss...
12/17/2016 Oregon 83 UNLV 63 ... and the RPI stays at 36. one behind Northwestern.
Not a good night for our friends in the HL. At least Detroit picked up their first D1 victory.
Titans win was over the same team that also tore up Indiana State...Titans RPI jumped to #315.
Lets hope those OOC folks keep winning... our RPI will start falling off the cliff... by walking into the gym.
our upcoming opponent RPIs:
Santa Clara #317
Chicago State #250
UIC #246
Oakland #191
Detroit #315
Youngstown #269
Cleveland State #186
Green Bay #163
Wright State #151
Northern Ky #178
Milwaukee #259
At least with Oakland working the power conference formula this year (lots of wins, even if they're not the toughest games), they'll help our, and the conference, RPI in league play this season. Even if their own RPI isn't so great.
Quote from: agibson on December 18, 2016, 09:57:09 AM
At least with Oakland working the power conference formula this year (lots of wins, even if they're not the toughest games), they'll help our, and the conference, RPI in league play this season. Even if their own RPI isn't so great.
That's NOT necessarily true. It'll help THEIR RPI. Not ours. Remember, opponents win percentage counts more than opponents opponents winning percentage.
HOWEVER - having more top 100 RPI opponents should look nice (didn't seem to matter last year). Everyone playing a soft schedule is a good way to game RPI - the Summit did this last year and the MAC consistently does this every year. The selection committee doesn't seem to realize this and simply goes by raw RPI and geography when seeding the last auto bids.
Quote from: a3uge on December 18, 2016, 10:11:40 AM
Quote from: agibson on December 18, 2016, 09:57:09 AM
At least with Oakland working the power conference formula this year (lots of wins, even if they're not the toughest games), they'll help our, and the conference, RPI in league play this season. Even if their own RPI isn't so great.
That's NOT necessarily true. It'll help THEIR RPI. Not ours. Remember, opponents win percentage counts more than opponents opponents winning percentage.
HOWEVER - having more top 100 RPI opponents should look nice (didn't seem to matter last year). Everyone playing a soft schedule is a good way to game RPI - the Summit did this last year and the MAC consistently does this every year. The selection committee doesn't seem to realize this and simply goes by raw RPI and geography when seeding the last auto bids.
You made Agibson's point. He is saying that Oakland, our opponent with a high win percentage, will help our RPI.
Quote from: Valpower on December 18, 2016, 12:04:14 PM
Quote from: a3uge on December 18, 2016, 10:11:40 AM
Quote from: agibson on December 18, 2016, 09:57:09 AM
At least with Oakland working the power conference formula this year (lots of wins, even if they're not the toughest games), they'll help our, and the conference, RPI in league play this season. Even if their own RPI isn't so great.
That's NOT necessarily true. It'll help THEIR RPI. Not ours. Remember, opponents win percentage counts more than opponents opponents winning percentage.
HOWEVER - having more top 100 RPI opponents should look nice (didn't seem to matter last year). Everyone playing a soft schedule is a good way to game RPI - the Summit did this last year and the MAC consistently does this every year. The selection committee doesn't seem to realize this and simply goes by raw RPI and geography when seeding the last auto bids.
You made Agibson's point. He is saying that Oakland, our opponent with a high win percentage, will help our RPI.
I did. Apparently my reading comprehension isn't good.
It definitely feels like a departure for Oakland. More often they've played -top- teams on the road, destroying their record but keeping a reasonably robust RPI for themselves. And, dragging the league down in the process.
This idea seems like core RPI truth to me, and causes powers conference RPI's to rise once conference play begins (even if it sort of feels like conference RPI's should be locked in at that point).
But, I don't see it discussed much, and basketball pundits seem to regularly get it wrong. For instance, some insist that we should wait until well after conference play begins to "trust" RPI. It's true that the numbers don't mean much after only a few games. And it's true that they won't "stabilize" until conference play is well under way. But that's beause this is when power conferences weak home schedules work their magic on their RPI's.
It seems like an under-discussed reason -not- to use RPI's in any kind of unvarnished fashion (eg not even when calculating quality wins).
Nice 70-48 Northern Kentucky win over top 100 Eastern Washington. Norse are disciplined and well coached. Their success should continue.
12/19/16: Longwood @ Ball State
12/19/16: Chicago State @ Missouri State (part of the Continental Tire Tournament)
12/19/16: Southern Utah @ Seattle
12/20/16: Idaho State @ BYU
12/20/16: Fresno State @ Oregon
12/21/16: Eastern Illinois @ Indiana State (EIU warms up on Monday with Fontbonne)
12/21/16: Arkansas State vs Alabama in Hunstville as the Tide continues it's trip around the state
12/21/16: Southern Utah @ San Jose State
12/22/16: Southeast Missouri Vs. Chicago State in Las Vegas. Tickets are still available for this game.
12/22/16: Alabama State @ Ball State
12/22/16: William and Mary @ Rhode Island
12/22/16: Coppin State @ Mount St. Mary's (1-12 vs 1-10). Tickets are still available for this game.
12/22/16: Cal State-Bakersfield @ BYU
12/22/16: Missouri State vs. Southern California in the second game of the DH at the Las Vegas tournament.
No games 12/23 for our OOC opponents
No games at all on 12/24 or 12/25.
Quote from: talksalot on December 19, 2016, 06:10:04 PM
12/19/16: Chicago State @ Missouri State (part of the Continental Tire Tournament)
Sounds like a terrible bowl game.
With northeastern beating Michigan state, northeastern saw their rpi jump from 197 to 150.
Oakland might get their first win against a top 150.
thought it might be fun to periodically track the RPI for us and for the teams around us...
After Coppin State took their 13th loss of the season, but before the night games begin...
UTArlington 0.6213 30
Providence 0.6209 31
Arizona 0.6184 32
Oregon 0.6181 33
Temple 0.6177 34
Valparaiso 0.6172 35 0.6173. 35 7:45pm 0.6172 9:25pm
N Carol St 0.6154 36
Northwestrn 0.6122 37
Purdue 0.6100 38
Houston 0.6096 39
Dayton 0.6087 40
Ole Miss 0.6065 41
Illinois 0.6032 42
Oklahoma St 0.6024 43
Monmouth 0.6001 44
12/19/16: Ball State 61 Longwqood 45
12/19/16: Missouri State 66 Chicago State 46 (part of the Continental Tire Tournament)
12/19/16: Seattle 89 Southern Utah 75
12/20/16: Louisiana-Monroe 65 Coppin State 53 In the Eagles First D-1 Home game of the year....Louisiana-Monroe hands Coppin State 13th loss, 65-53
Watched Oakland lose at the buzzer at home to Northeastern. They managed to score only 59 points. Lots of fairly open shots wouldn't fall, lots of forced shots as well.
The ending was pretty wild - replay is on WatchESPN app.
Lots of wins but They just can't get that top 150 w
As we all know, prior to this year Oakland's OOC schedules were selfishly stacked with unwinnable payday games against high majors, a tactic that clearly hurt conference RPI. To their credit, this year's schedule is much better balanced with winnable games against other mid's. Suddenly, I'm feeling a whole lot more positive about the Oakland Golden Grizzlies. It's too bad they lost tonight, but overall they're off to a strong start and I'm happy for them.
Oakland is good but once again not as good as projected. I'm of a fan kampe and had the pleasure of meeting him in Detroit for that $*%^ show of a conference tournament. But that sweater was ridiculous last night. Gave me the impression, "are they serious about the program or is this a stunt from the Will Ferrell's movie super-pro?" What's next, kampe going to wrestle a grizzle at halftime?
The Palombizio kid from Chesterton is a good player. We missed that one....
Semi-Pro :lol: , but yeah that was a pretty ridiculous stunt.
We should've promised the chance to shot 10 threes a game like Kampe did...I've heard he isn't real happy with his playing time and role. It maybe changing soon though if he keeps playing well and the rest of the team doesn't.
12/20/16: Louisiana-Monroe 65 Coppin State 53 (Coppin State RPI: #304)
12/20/16: BYU 84 Idaho State 58 (BYU RPI: #132; Idaho State RPI: #317)
12/20/16: Oregon 75 Fresno State 63 (Oregon RPI #33, Fresno State RPI: #240)
and coming up tonight:
12/21/16: Eastern Illinois @ Indiana State (EIU warmed up on Monday with Fontbonne 101-49)
12/21/16: Arkansas State vs Alabama in Hunstville as the Tide continues it's trip around the state
12/21/16: Southern Utah @ San Jose State
and Kampe tries to get his guys to focus... on Sparty at the Breslin Center... maybe they did last night, instead of Northeastern. OU's best RPI win of the season is #194; 1-10 Oral Roberts.... oh; and the Grizz have Georgia at home on Friday night. Georgia has two Detroit-area kids on their roster.
Related: http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/sports/columnists/graham-couch/2016/12/20/couch-oakland-basketball-counters-ncaa-tourney-bias-new-approach/95667452/
Couch: Oakland basketball counters NCAA tourney bias with new approach
From our top 25 pollster bestie.
Quote from: oklahomamick on December 21, 2016, 07:09:52 AMBut that sweater was ridiculous last night. Gave me the impression, "are they serious about the program or is this a stunt from the Will Ferrell's movie super-pro?"
I guess it was a promotion or something for bad Christmas sweaters... only I didn't see a whole lot of people wearing
hideous sweaters, only Kampe. I could hardly stop laughing, I found myself imagining what the timeouts were like :rotfl: in the huddle.
Take a look http://campussports.net/2016/12/21/oakland-basketball-greg-kampe-ugly-christmas-sweater-photo/ (http://campussports.net/2016/12/21/oakland-basketball-greg-kampe-ugly-christmas-sweater-photo/)
I watched the replay of the last 1:17 of the game ... and he wasn't wearing that sweater... I'm guessing it had something to do with "let's take the game seriously". Be fun to have the Grizz take down Sparty... if ever there was going to be a year for that to happen, its now. BUT, the game is at the Breslin.
I'm guessing Mr. Nolan had some technical difficulties last night.... no updates for about 12 hours on his site...
Things caught up over the lunch hour...
UTArlington 0.6213 30 now #24 0.6280 Did not play
Providence 0.6209 31 now #35 0.6117 Beat #270 Maine by 20 last night, at home
Arizona 0.6184 32 now #28 0.6250 Did not play
Oregon 0.6181 33 now #29 0.6247 Beat #218 Fresno State by 11 last night, at home
Temple 0.6177 34 now #30 0.6213 Did not play
Valparaiso 0.6172 35 now #33 0.6187 Did Not Play
N Carol St 0.6154 36 now #38 0.6085 Did not play
Northwestrn 0.6122 37 now #42 0.6037 Beat #194 IUPUI by 22 last night, at home
Purdue 0.6100 38 now #36 0.6110 Did not play
Houston 0.6096 39 now #37 0.6096 Did not play
Dayton 0.6087 40 now #40 0.6054 Did not play
Ole Miss 0.6065 41 now #39 0.6078 Did not play
Illinois 0.6032 42 now #41 0.6053 Did not play
Oklahoma St 0.6024 43 now #44 0.6004 Did not play
Monmouth 0.6001 44 now #47 0.5970 Beat #155 Princeton 96-90 last night, at home
new to the mix:
Arkansas State #34 0.6177 Did not play; vs Bama tonight, @ Huntsville.
Nevada #32 0.6202 Did not play; @ #127 Towson State tonight
He lost the sweater in the first half when Northeastern was in the middle of a 16-0 run I want to say.
Quote from: talksalot on December 21, 2016, 02:56:15 PM
I'm guessing Mr. Nolan had some technical difficulties last night.... no updates for about 12 hours on his site...
Things caught up over the lunch hour...
UTArlington 0.6213 30 now #24 0.6280 Did not play
Providence 0.6209 31 now #35 0.6117 Beat #270 Maine by 20 last night, at home
Arizona 0.6184 32 now #28 0.6250 Did not play
Oregon 0.6181 33 now #29 0.6247 Beat #218 Fresno State by 11 last night, at home
Temple 0.6177 34 now #30 0.6213 Did not play
Valparaiso 0.6172 35 now #33 0.6187 Did Not Play
N Carol St 0.6154 36 now #38 0.6085 Did not play
Northwestrn 0.6122 37 now #42 0.6037 Beat #194 IUPUI by 22 last night, at home
Purdue 0.6100 38 now #36 0.6110 Did not play
Houston 0.6096 39 now #37 0.6096 Did not play
Dayton 0.6087 40 now #40 0.6054 Did not play
Ole Miss 0.6065 41 now #39 0.6078 Did not play
Illinois 0.6032 42 now #41 0.6053 Did not play
Oklahoma St 0.6024 43 now #44 0.6004 Did not play
Monmouth 0.6001 44 now #47 0.5970 Beat #155 Princeton 96-90 last night, at home
new to the mix:
Arkansas State #34 0.6177 Did not play; vs Bama tonight, @ Huntsville.
Nevada #32 0.6202 Did not play; @ #127 Towson State tonight
How does IUPUI get a game with Northwestern and we can't?
Quote from: VULB#62 on December 21, 2016, 05:37:23 PMHow does IUPUI get a game with Northwestern and we can't?
Very simple. Their RPI is 195 vs our 35 so the risk-reward pushes the decision toward IUPUI.
Louisville 73 Kentucky drat.
King Kampe remains winless vs. Michigan State tonite. From what I saw, both teams are not very strong this year.
Quote from: VULB#62 on December 21, 2016, 05:37:23 PM
Quote from: talksalot on December 21, 2016, 02:56:15 PM
I'm guessing Mr. Nolan had some technical difficulties last night.... no updates for about 12 hours on his site...
Things caught up over the lunch hour...
UTArlington 0.6213 30 now #24 0.6280 Did not play
Providence 0.6209 31 now #35 0.6117 Beat #270 Maine by 20 last night, at home
Arizona 0.6184 32 now #28 0.6250 Did not play
Oregon 0.6181 33 now #29 0.6247 Beat #218 Fresno State by 11 last night, at home
Temple 0.6177 34 now #30 0.6213 Did not play
Valparaiso 0.6172 35 now #33 0.6187 Did Not Play
N Carol St 0.6154 36 now #38 0.6085 Did not play
Northwestrn 0.6122 37 now #42 0.6037 Beat #194 IUPUI by 22 last night, at home
Purdue 0.6100 38 now #36 0.6110 Did not play
Houston 0.6096 39 now #37 0.6096 Did not play
Dayton 0.6087 40 now #40 0.6054 Did not play
Ole Miss 0.6065 41 now #39 0.6078 Did not play
Illinois 0.6032 42 now #41 0.6053 Did not play
Oklahoma St 0.6024 43 now #44 0.6004 Did not play
Monmouth 0.6001 44 now #47 0.5970 Beat #155 Princeton 96-90 last night, at home
new to the mix:
Arkansas State #34 0.6177 Did not play; vs Bama tonight, @ Huntsville.
Nevada #32 0.6202 Did not play; @ #127 Towson State tonight
How does IUPUI get a game with Northwestern and we can't?
I'd rather not play that inferior RPI drag on the road.We should be asking them for a 2 for 1.
12/21/16: Indiana State 88 Eastern Illinois 85 in 2OT Brenton Scott had 23 points and seven rebounds, Brandon Murphy added 14 and 12
12/21/16: Alabama 67 Arkansas State 52 in Hunstville
Alabama's Jimmie Taylor came off the bench to score 12 points and Arkansas State went over seven minutes in the second half without a field goal as Alabama downed the Red Wolves 67-52 on Wednesday
12/21/16: San Jose State 92 Southern Utah 82
and waking up this morning... the Valpo RPI is .... 31...
and in other news:
Dayton defeats Vanderbilt 68-63
Charles Cooke had 19 points and Dayton shrugged off its second-lowest first-half total of the season to beat Vanderbilt 68-63 on Wednesday night.
Vandy has now lost to 5 unranked teams. Valpo.... 0.
USC #27 0.6236 tonight vs #194 Missiouri State in Las Vegas
Nevada #28 0.6227 Beat #128 Towson by 9 in Las Vegas
Arizona #29 0.6220 Did not play
Temple #30 0.6218 tonight hosting #81 Yale
Valparaiso #31 0.6216 tonight hosting #322 Santa Clara
Virginia Comm #32 0.6164 tonight hosting #309 LA-Monroe
Dayton #33 0.6135 Beat #90 Vandy 68-63 in Dayton
NCarolSt #34 0.6126 tonight hosting #224 McNeese State
Providence #35 0.6110 Did not play
Illinois #36 0.6096 Beat #245 Missouri 75-66 in St. Louis
Northwestrn #37 0.6069 tonight hosting #174 Houston Baptist
South Carolina #38 0.6042 Lost to #39 Clemson 62-60
Clemson #39 0.6036 Beat #38 South Carolins 62-60
OleMiss #40 0.6030 tonight hosting #227 South Alabama
Valpo's OOC RPIs this morning...
Southern Utah - 348
Coppin State - 321
Oregon - 21
Alabama - 114
BYU - 150
Ball State - 267
Rhode Island - 44
Kentucky - 9
Missouri State - 194
Indiana State - 124
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Santa Clara - 322
Chicago State - 260
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and the Horizon League
Wright State 134
Northern Kentucky 136
Green Bay 157
Cleveland State 200
Oakland 221
Youngstown State 238
UIC 253
Milwaukee 279
Detroit 312
If you missed it, Grizz lost to Sparty 77-65; and now await Georgia on Friday Night at the ORena.
Quote from: talksalot on December 22, 2016, 07:33:12 AM
If you missed it, Grizz lost to Sparty 77-65; and now await Georgia on Friday Night at the ORena.
I watched the 2nd half of Oakland's last 2 games. They are talented, for sure. However, I don't think I have ever seen a team with worse shot selection. If they had some discipline they could have won both of their last two games. Against Northeastern they shot so many 3's from 5 feet behind the line or on the move without their feet set. It was crazy.
How about Oregon?!
while UCLA losing to Oregon hurts KY's rating a little, I think it helps us more in that we played at Oregon.
In other news, DePaul lost by 3 to Nova. Why should we care? DePaul played UIC...and
Lost...DePaul blew out Chicago State...and beat Mo. state at home barely and then lost to them on. A neutral court by a bunch. So a split. A gsme like this helps their RPI which helps their opponents as well.
Chicago State lost by only 4 to Northwestern. Try to figure that one out.
And speaking of MO State, they beat UNI in Waterloo 68-64 tonight. Nice con Road win!!! This stuff isn't going to improve us dramatically but helps at the end of the day. Without hope what the hell do we have???
and our RPI fell only 12 points. Playing #252 Chi-State; and we have #254 UIC on Friday. ..
Other OOC games:
Oregon 89 UCLA 87
Wichita State 80 Indiana State 72
Missouri State 68 Northern Iowa 64
(Nebraska beat IU)...
If you need something else to fee! Better about, Oregon 84 undefeated Southern Cal 61... that's 23 points... they beat us by 22. just sayin'
Ducks first team since 2004 to beat back-to-back teams that were 10-0 or better. (they beat UCLA on Wednesday)...
Duck RPI jumped to #11.
BTW, did you notice that BYU beat Santa Clara by 30 on the 29th?
Just watched Rhode Island drill St. Joes by 30. The very knowledgeable announcer, in talking about Rhodys early season tough losses, said that very few understand how difficult it is to win on the road at ValparIso!! :o
and that Rhody game was slightly off-set by the 100-90 loss Ball State suffered at Kent State.... but out RPI did climb from 58 to 57 when that was posted.
Be a nice win if Bama can hold their 12-point half-time lead at Mississippi State (9-3). Not holding my breath.
and BBN is playing their first home game since Valpo... and is dismantling Texas A&M 28-8 at the under 8 media time out.
Wednesday action:
South Carolina State at Coppin State - Eagles Giving 1
Indiana State at Southern Illinois - Salukis giving 1
Oregon at Washington - Ducks Giving 8
Missouri State at Illinois State - Redbirds giving 9 (seems like a lot to me)
and fun ones to watch...
Nova at Hinkle... cats are 1.5 point favorites... on FoxSports1 5:30pm CT
Auburn at Vandy...'commodores are 5-pt favs....on SEC Network at 6pm CT
Iowa State at Baylor...Bears at 7.5 pt favs... on ESPNNews at 7pm CT
and it took 'bama 8:15 to lose the 12-point half-time lead... tied at 42.
Bama wins by 10 on the road and Kentucky? Currently beating Texas A & M by nearly 40. A & M is no slough, with have a half dozen top 100 players and the Texas Mr. Basketball on the squad. I think our loss will not be a big detriment by the end of the season.
With their 42 point loss at Kentucky, Texas A & M has its RPI drop from 108 to 95. Nothing succeeds like failure. ???
I was beginning to wonder if BYU and Alabama were ever going to raise their RPIs to respectable levels. Finally! BYU 111 and Alabama at 88. Both should show some additional improvements.
and with those two wins (bama and bbn); valpo's RPI goes from 56 to 55 (raw number .5822 to .5843)... a couple of road wins tonight in the MVC would also be nice for our number.
and fun ones to watch...
Nova at Hinkle... cats are 1.5 point favorites... on FoxSports1 5:30pm CT ButFutler beat Nova 66-58
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Andy Katz tweet: ESPN Senior Writer
Can't say it enough: Big East hit a home run with additions of Butler, Xavier and Creighton. Winners. Atmosphere.
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Auburn at Vandy...'commodores are 5-pt favs....on SEC Network at 6pm CT Vandy skinned the tigers 80-61
Iowa State at Baylor...Bears at 7.5 pt favs... on ESPNNews at 7pm CT Bears up 1, just starting second half.
and after the first round of finals... Valpos numerical RPI fell: .5842 all the way to .5841
Quote from: talksalot on January 03, 2017, 08:49:27 PMMissouri State at Illinois State - Redbirds giving 9 (seems like a lot to me)
Missouri St with a 2 point halftime lead on CSN. As poorly as they played against us, I am having some difficulty understanding their recent success. AND this game is at #39 Redbird Arena.
Wednesday action:
South Carolina State at Coppin State - Eagles Giving 1 - Break up the Eagles! 75-59 win for Coppin State.
Indiana State at Southern Illinois - Salukis giving 1- Syc's fall apart in OT, lose to SIU 80-74
Oregon at Washington - Ducks Giving 8 - and winning 83-61. 22 point win... sounds familiar
Missouri State at Illinois State - Redbirds giving 9 (seems like a lot to me)...another OT loss... 74-71 Birds, as MiKyle McIntosh scored 21 points, Deontae Hawkins had 20, Paris Lee had a double-double.
and fun ones to watch...
Nova at Hinkle... cats are 1.5 point favorites... how bout them dogs? 66-58... Bears new #1? (goes to Georgetown on Saturday)
Auburn at Vandy...'commodores are 5-pt favs....Commodores 80-61
Iowa State at Baylor...Bears at 7.5 pt favs... "with the fans chanting #1 #1... 65-63 win for Baylor
Coppin and Oregon wins and the two MVC losses.. and the Valpo RPI stays at 56 with a numerical down to .5840 (from .5842 at the start of last night)
Thursday games for entertainment purposes only...
Wright State favored by 7.5 over visiting Cleveland State
Northern Kentucky favored by 11.5 over visiting Youngstown State (Vegas says 12 on the line)
UT-Rio Grande Valley at Chicago State - NO LINE
Saint Mary's favored by 9 over visiting BYU.
Wright State 55 Cleveland State 51
Northern Kentucky 83 Youngstown State 70
St Marys 81 BYU 68 (Cougars RPI is 102)
UT-Rio Grande Valley 83 Chicago State 64 (Cougars RPI is 255)
Southern Utah 78 Northern Colorado 76; nice road win for the t-birds (SUU RPI 326)
Santa Clara 70 Portland 42 as Jared Brownridge surpassed 2,000 points in his career (Broncos RPI 207)
VU numerical RPI .5856; and #55
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Friday Action, only 9 games on the D1 schedule:
Valpo-Oakland is the second game on the ESPN2 double header; lead-in is Rhode Island (10-4) at Dayton (11-3).
UDM @ UIC 7pm
Milw @GBay 7pm
I saw this tweet from ESPN's Jeff Goodman:
Interesting note: Baylor and Gonzaga final two unbeatens. Played each other in secret scrimmage in preseason. Final score: Tie.
and this one a little earlier:
Look at who is here at Gonzaga-San Francisco game. Committee chair Mark Hollis. Grinder. He's heading to BYU-Saint Mary's later tonight. Saturday doubleheader: UC Riverside at Long Beach and Hawaii at Irvine. Sunday doubleheader: Stanford at UCLA and Cal at USC and then home on red-eye. Good thing NCAA is paying him big bucks for this gig.
(OK, now who on this board would not LOVE that weekend schedule?... and VIP treatment at every stop)
Starting RpI .5570. #78
Bama, BBN and Ball State are playing tonight
#88 Bama lost to Gators 80-77
#264 Ball State beat Miami (OH) 85-74
#8 Kentucky pulled out an 87-81 win over Vanderbryce. (Not a good night for Scott, either)
our numerical RPI climbed to .5569 (yup, up .0001)
but the relationship ranking, we climbed from #78 to #76.
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Gonzaga is the only undefeated left...
North Carolina A&T is the only winless team left... they've had some tough games. lost to #271 DelaSt 55-53; to #96 UMass 65-59, to #155 Rider 60-59, ... their next game is at #324 Coppin State.
Todd and Coach Lottich discuss the last few games and the upcoming games.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XgQh4v_6pc
Starting our Wednesday night .5569 and #76
#204 Evansville @ #174 Missouri State
#165 Indiana State @ #315 Drake
Winnable, but ISU will drop just playing (3-11) Drake...
and the basketball junkies will be watching THEM (14-2) play at Creighton (15-1) ... dawgs going down.
Quote from: VU2014 on January 11, 2017, 02:09:41 PM
Todd and Coach Lottich discuss the last few games and the upcoming games.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XgQh4v_6pc
Couldn't help sense a sombre demeanor in Matt today. Not upbeat, serious. Few smiles. Expectations getting to him a little?
On the plus side he called today's practice the best in a while. He cited the rash of turnovers and he's getting the guys' minds straight on that.
I like his candor.
.5563, Down to#78
Drake pounds Indiana state 87-70
Most beats Evansville 55-51
Man, Indiana State has just tanked since that Butler win.
and after the west coast games finish up...
we are Starting Thursday at #79 .5564
On Wednesday, we gained 5/10,000ths of a point... and dropped 1 spot.
Thursday games and the Nolan Line and Probability:
Cleveland State favored by 1 over Visiting UIC 54%
Valpo favored by 2 over Host Youngstown State 58%
Rhode Island favored by 18 over Visiting LaSalle 92%
Green Bay favored by 6 over Visiting Wright State 70%
San Diego favored by 3 over Visiting Santa Clara 61%
Northern Kentucky favored by 2 over Host Milwaukee 58%
Utah Valley favored by 22 over visiting Chicago State 95%
Thursday games and the Nolan Line and Probability: (Not a good night for the Nolan Algorithm!)
Cleveland State favored by 1 over Visiting UIC 54% UIC 59 ClevSt 54
Valpo favored by 2 over Host Youngstown State 58% Valpo 78 Young 62
Rhode Island favored by 18 over Visiting LaSalle 92% LaSalle 87 Rhode Island 75
Green Bay favored by 6 over Visiting Wright State 70% GreenB 78 Wright State 61
San Diego favored by 3 over Visiting Santa Clara 61% Clara up 8 approaching halftime
Northern Kentucky favored by 2 over Host Milwaukee 58% Milwaukee 68 NoKy 58
Utah Valley favored by 22 over visiting Chicago State 95% Cougars UP 6 with 8:30 to play
Southern Utah favored by 10 over visiting Sacramento State 80% SacSt 88 SUU 83
BYU Favored by 13 over visiting San Francisco 86% surety Cougars up 7 with 6 to play
Valpo's RPI data: #74 .5591 9:45pm
Thursday games and the Nolan Line and Probability: (Not a good night for the Nolan Algorithm!)
Cleveland State favored by 1 over Visiting UIC 54% UIC 59 ClevSt 54
Valpo favored by 2 over Host Youngstown State 58% Valpo 78 Young 62
Rhode Island favored by 18 over Visiting LaSalle 92% LaSalle 87 Rhode Island 75
Green Bay favored by 6 over Visiting Wright State 70% GreenB 78 Wright State 61
San Diego favored by 3 over Visiting Santa Clara 61% Clara up 8 approaching halftime
Northern Kentucky favored by 2 over Host Milwaukee 58% Milwaukee 68 NoKy 58
Utah Valley favored by 22 over visiting Chicago State 95% Chicago State 70 Utah Valley 61 (The team that beat BYU)
Southern Utah favored by 10 over visiting Sacramento State 80% SacSt 88 SUU 83
BYU Favored by 13 over visiting San Francisco 86% surety BYU 85 San Francisco 75
Valpo's RPI data: #74 .5591 9:45pm
Valpo's RPI data: #68 .5622 4:45pm Friday
Tonights' game, only 1 involving our opponents:
Oakland is 17.5 point favorite against visiting UDM
Quote from: talksalot on January 13, 2017, 05:01:50 PMOakland is 17.5 point favorite against visiting UDM
Tied with about 3 minutes to go on ESPNU
FINAL:
Detroit-Mercy 93 Oakland 88
93-88 Detroit over Oakland.
Huh.
At Oakland no less. Tight game to the end
I haven't backed Mercy in years but I really enjoyed watching their "chaos" defense come together.
The good news is that Detroit is back and have finally figured out how to win. The bad news is that their OOC play was awful so each of their future wins will drag down the rest of the HL. :'(
Quote from: justducky on January 13, 2017, 08:28:46 PMThe good news is that Detroit is back and have finally figured out how to win. The bad news is that their OOC play was awful so each of their future wins will drag down the rest of the HL.
Oakland drops from 64 to 104. Detroit rises from 309 to 259.
How many HL games can Mercy win playing like that? Almost all of them, but 6 now looks like a minimum.
From the ESPN Statline twitter acct:
Jaleel Hogan of Detroit scored a career-high 39 points, the most by a Titans men's basketball player since Willie Green scored 41 against Wright State on Feb. 13, 2003.
Titans first ever win at the ORena. (0-4 going into tonights game)
That was a very entertaining game. Brock is a good player and will be scary as a 26 year old senior.
Oakland is 1 point away from having two losses in the HL.
And Cleveland State is 15 points away from being 5-0.
Good Day for the Valpo RPI today...6pm: #67 .5659 ranking
Indiana State 81 Bradley 71
Ball State 92 Buffalo 77
BBN 92 Auburn 72
Coppin State 75 NC A&T 73
Tonight
Santa Clara at Pepperdine
Portland State at SUU
BYU at San Diego
Chicago State at Seattle
Oregon State at Oregon
Wright State beat Milwaukee 70-67
Big Game tonight: Gaels in Spokane, ESPN2 (they are a combined 31-1)
Santa Clara 75-61
Portland state over SUU 88-77
San Diego over BYU 88-75
Seattle over Chicago state 65-50
Oregon over Oregon state 85-43
The opposition goes 6-3 Saturday, valpo RPI falls to 72, raw number,5650
On Sunday, the opposition went 1-1
URI held on to beat UMass 79-77 after nearly blowing a nice lead at home
MoState didn't hold on to their 11-point lead and lost at the Gentile Center 77-71 to the Ramblers.
The URI win, put them at RPI #49; so we are now 1-2 against Top 50. Bama #75 and BYU #92 have a ways to go to break into that level.
Valpo's RPI is #72 .5645 numerically.
Monday's games:
Coppin State at Howard
HL:
Cleveland State loses at Oakland
Youngstown @ Detroit
Quote from: talksalot on January 16, 2017, 01:28:38 PMValpo's RPI is #72 .5645 numerically.
and thanks to the eary games today, the RPI is now #71 but the .5645 is still the numerical ranking.
Cleveland State stuns Oakland at the Orena, 76-65.
Grizzlies shot about 1-20 from three. They really haven't been playing well since they beat us.
Quote from: hailcrusaders on January 16, 2017, 08:09:06 PM
Cleveland State stuns Oakland at the Orena, 76-65.
Grizzlies shot about 1-20 from three. They really haven't been playing well since they beat us.
Nobody does. Been like that for a couple of years now. The vaunted "Valpo hangover".
Quote from: hailcrusaders on January 16, 2017, 08:09:06 PM
Cleveland State stuns Oakland at the Orena, 76-65.
Grizzlies shot about 1-20 from three. They really haven't been playing well since they beat us.
How in the world do you lose by 11 at home to a team with an 0-9 road record?
They also lost to t a team at home with one D1 win. Don't forget the bizarre UIC ending. They could easily be 0-3 since playing us. Valpo curse?
I think the question is not "how did they lose to 0-9 CSU" but rather "how did they lose twice when they are much much more talented than both those teams."
and their RPI goes from 65 after beating us to 92 after the first loss... to 137 after last nights debacle.
Current HL RPIs
Valpo 66
GBay 124
Oakla 137
Wrigh 153
NorKy 172
Cleve 208
UIC 237
DetMer 258
Young 266
Milwa 280
http://www.midmajormadness.com/2017/1/17/14296328/my-big-weekend-wrapup-maction-mid-major-madness-jinx-gonzaga-saint-marys
My big weekend wrapup: #MACtion and the Mid-Major Madness Jinx
We recap that last three days and set the table for what's to come.
by Russell Steinberg@Russ_Steinberg Jan 17, 2017, 7:57am PST
Stock Falling:
"Oakland: We jumped to the front of the Oakland bandwagon when the Golden Grizzlies beat Valparaiso last week. Since then, they squeaked by a bad Illinois Chicago team by one, then lost a pair of home games to even-worse Detroit and Cleveland State. What's going on in Oakland?"
Quote from: VU2014 on January 17, 2017, 11:26:37 AMhttp://www.midmajormadness.com/2017/1/17/14296328/my-big-weekend-wrapup-maction-mid-major-madness-jinx-gonzaga-saint-marys My big weekend wrapup: #MACtion and the Mid-Major Madness Jinx We recap that last three days and set the table for what's to come. by Russell Steinberg@Russ_Steinberg Jan 17, 2017, 7:57am PST Stock Falling: "Oakland: We jumped to the front of the Oakland bandwagon when the Golden Grizzlies beat Valparaiso last week. Since then, they squeaked by a bad Illinois Chicago team by one, then lost a pair of home games to even-worse Detroit and Cleveland State. What's going on in Oakland?"
Don't tell the UIC fans that someone referred to them as "Illinois Chicago".
Quote from: hailcrusaders on January 17, 2017, 01:44:23 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on January 17, 2017, 11:26:37 AMhttp://www.midmajormadness.com/2017/1/17/14296328/my-big-weekend-wrapup-maction-mid-major-madness-jinx-gonzaga-saint-marys My big weekend wrapup: #MACtion and the Mid-Major Madness Jinx We recap that last three days and set the table for what's to come. by Russell Steinberg@Russ_Steinberg Jan 17, 2017, 7:57am PST Stock Falling: "Oakland: We jumped to the front of the Oakland bandwagon when the Golden Grizzlies beat Valparaiso last week. Since then, they squeaked by a bad Illinois Chicago team by one, then lost a pair of home games to even-worse Detroit and Cleveland State. What's going on in Oakland?"
Don't tell the UIC fans that someone referred to them as "Illinois Chicago".
I'm with UIC fans on that one.
Quote from: StlVUFan on January 18, 2017, 03:12:03 PM
Quote from: hailcrusaders on January 17, 2017, 01:44:23 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on January 17, 2017, 11:26:37 AMhttp://www.midmajormadness.com/2017/1/17/14296328/my-big-weekend-wrapup-maction-mid-major-madness-jinx-gonzaga-saint-marys My big weekend wrapup: #MACtion and the Mid-Major Madness Jinx We recap that last three days and set the table for what's to come. by Russell Steinberg@Russ_Steinberg Jan 17, 2017, 7:57am PST Stock Falling: "Oakland: We jumped to the front of the Oakland bandwagon when the Golden Grizzlies beat Valparaiso last week. Since then, they squeaked by a bad Illinois Chicago team by one, then lost a pair of home games to even-worse Detroit and Cleveland State. What's going on in Oakland?"
Don't tell the UIC fans that someone referred to them as "Illinois Chicago".
I'm with UIC fans on that one.
They should really complain to the NCAA website. They are listed at "Ill.-Chicago" (http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-rpi). And that annoys me when I'm trying to compile RPI stats and figure out who is in my NCAA bracket
Quote from: Kyle321n on January 18, 2017, 03:53:41 PM
Quote from: StlVUFan on January 18, 2017, 03:12:03 PM
Quote from: hailcrusaders on January 17, 2017, 01:44:23 PM
Quote from: VU2014 on January 17, 2017, 11:26:37 AMhttp://www.midmajormadness.com/2017/1/17/14296328/my-big-weekend-wrapup-maction-mid-major-madness-jinx-gonzaga-saint-marys My big weekend wrapup: #MACtion and the Mid-Major Madness Jinx We recap that last three days and set the table for what's to come. by Russell Steinberg@Russ_Steinberg Jan 17, 2017, 7:57am PST Stock Falling: "Oakland: We jumped to the front of the Oakland bandwagon when the Golden Grizzlies beat Valparaiso last week. Since then, they squeaked by a bad Illinois Chicago team by one, then lost a pair of home games to even-worse Detroit and Cleveland State. What's going on in Oakland?"
Don't tell the UIC fans that someone referred to them as "Illinois Chicago".
I'm with UIC fans on that one.
They should really complain to the NCAA website. They are listed at "Ill.-Chicago" (http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-rpi). And that annoys me when I'm trying to compile RPI stats and figure out who is in my NCAA bracket
Agreed. I assumed their media guide pushed "UIC", but if they haven't followed through everywhere they should, that's on them.
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Warren Nolan RPI has them Illinois-Chicago
RealTimeRPI has them: Ill. Chicago
CBS Sports has them: Illinois-Chicago
Headline in the Youngstown Newspaper: Illinois-Chicago Beats Youngstown State 92-89 In OT
Can I just call them Circle Campus? Just once??? OK, not a good idea.
KenPom has them as "Illinois Chicago" to throw one more way they are listed.
How about we all just agree to call the Flames.
Quote from: talksalot on January 18, 2017, 04:23:14 PM
Warren Nolan RPI has them Illinois-Chicago
RealTimeRPI has them: Ill. Chicago
CBS Sports has them: Illinois-Chicago
Headline in the Youngstown Newspaper: Illinois-Chicago Beats Youngstown State 92-89 In OT
Can I just call them Circle Campus? Just once??? OK, not a good idea.
You and Ed bleepin' Farmer... bleh ;)
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Maybe we can get Ewwy-Pewwy back on the schedule and have some real semantics fun!
Santa Clara lost at home to Gonzaga 88-57. Ouch!!!
It is interesting that our RPI now stands at 60 while our BPI is 124. Last year our BPI was 42?ish prior to selection sunday. I agree we are not as good but are we really that bad?
overall last night our ooc opponents went 2-2
Oregon by 23 over Cal
BYU by 29 over Pepperdine
Idaho by 12 or SUU
Zags by 31 over Santa Clara
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Tonight, no OOC opponents are playing; just these ditties from the HL...
Wright State favored by 7.5 over UDM - @WSU
Oakland favored by 3 over NoKy - @NKY
Milwaukee favored by 1 over ClevSt - @MIL
GreenBay favored by 10.5 over YST - @GBY
For those chomping at the bit to track changes to the RPI, Saturday will be a fun day for you. Only one of our OOC opponents does not play on Saturday.
Ball State @ Bowling Green
Rhode Island @ Duquesne
Indiana State @ Wichita State
Bradley @ Missouri State
Alabama @ Auburn
Loyola-Marymount @ Santa Clara
Southern Utah @ East Washington
South Carolina @ Kentucky
Stanford @ Oregon
BYU @ Pacific
Chicago State @ UT-Rio Grande Valley
Coppin State takes their 3-game winning streak into Monday night...
Early evening update
Valpo's RPI opens the day at #61.
Bowling Green 79 Ball State 74
Rhode Island 90 Duquesne 69
Wichita State 84 Indiana State 58
Missouri State 76 Bradley 62
Auburn 84 Alabama 64
Santa Clara 64 Loyola-Marymount 63
East Washington 83 Southern Utah 68
so far, 3-4 on the day...and the RPI has slipped to 63... 4 more to go.
South Carolina @ Kentucky - BBN up early
Stanford @ Oregon - Ducks up early
BYU @ Pacific - Cougars up early
Chicago State @ UT-Rio Grande Valley - 7pm CT Tip.
so far, 3-4 on the day...and the RPI has slipped to 63... 4 more to go.
Kentucky 85 South Carolina 69
Oregon 69 Stanford 52
BYU 62 Pacific 47
UT-Rio Grande Valley 85 Chicago State 77
The OOC OPP go 6-5 on the day... and the RPI wakes up on Sunday at 65 numerically: .5709
Oakland at WSU is crucial to how the HL standings sort out. I hope our public address guy doesn't decide to keep this information to himself. ;)
It looks like conversation on the Oakland board will soon be switching to the old standby "the regular season doesn't mean anything anyway." ;)
Wright State obliterated Oakland 88-67 at the Nuthouse. Raiders have figured out how to score all of a sudden, and I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a little nervous about our upcoming matchup.
Quote from: wh on January 22, 2017, 03:02:59 PMIt looks like conversation on the Oakland board will soon be switching to the old standby "the regular season doesn't mean anything anyway." ;)
Which is sure easy to say when you know the conference tournament will be played in your own backyard.
Quote from: hailcrusaders on January 22, 2017, 03:12:01 PMQuote from: wh on January 22, 2017, 03:02:59 PMIt looks like conversation on the Oakland board will soon be switching to the old standby "the regular season doesn't mean anything anyway." ;)
Which is sure easy to say when you know the conference tournament will be played in your own backyard.
HL should have worked out a deal, where it was in Detroit a couple years and then Chicago a couple years.
Or just left it alone
QuoteQuoteQuote from: hailcrusaders on Today at 03:12:01 PM
Quote from: wh on Today at 03:02:59 PM
It looks like conversation on the Oakland board will soon be switching to the old standby "the regular season doesn't mean anything anyway." ;)
Which is sure easy to say when you know the conference tournament will be played in your own backyard.
HL should have worked out a deal, where it was in Detroit and couple years and then Chicago a couple years.
QuoteOr just left it alone
Yes! Preach! 🙌
The Motor City Dumpster Fire Tournament is the worst thing the HL HQ has done in years. I'm never going to get over it, till the tournament gets reformed (or till the Joe Louis Arena contract is up...).
First off nobody wants to go to Detroit (enough said). second, nobody shows up to the tourney when it in Detroit so the atmosphere is terrible and makes for poor TV and reflects poorly on the conference. Third, it took away from the extra urgency of the conference season of EVERY game matters. It makes the conference tournament tougher on the regular season conference champions and makes it more likely a garbage team or less competitive conference team sneaks up in the tournament and gets hot and wins it all. Then that team falls flat on its face in the NCAA Tournament (also reflecting poorly on the HL). Also the top two teams in the conference get the bye games and have to sit and wait to play so they are cold for the next game.
Paul did a great interview with Former Horizon League Director of Communications Bill Potter on Union Street Hoops and Paul asks him about the thinking behind changing the format. I highly encourage you give it a listen.
http://www.nwitimes.com/digital/audio/union-street-hoops/podcast-union-street-hoops-episode/audio_9a42f56c-cdf6-11e6-a837-3380c035b2f7.html
Making life easier for the HL HQ for sponsorships signage and it was easier on HQ from a logistics of putting the event on. Also they wanted to make it more of a conference celebration type of deal. Yeah that didn't happen, imo.
That's fine, it makes it easier for the HL HQ and sponsorships. But does have to be Detroit every year?
QuoteBut does have to be Detroit every year?
I'm pretty sure the Horizon League signed a contract to lease the space for the Tournament so they are obligated to be there for some remaining amount of years. Not sure how much longer. That would be a question for Paul or Aaron Leavitt.
Edit: Just looked it up. 5 year deal. Horizon League makes $200,000 a year.
http://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/2015/05/05/horizon-league-joe-louis-arena/26956105/
Horizon League hoops tournament moving to DetroitThe intent is for the men's tournament to begin next year and potentially anchor the tournament in Detroit for the foreseeable future.Published 9:27 p.m. ET May 5, 2015 By: Mark Snyder , Detroit Free PressThe Horizon League today announced that it has agreed to a five-year deal with Olympia Entertainment to host the conference's men's basketball tournament in Detroit, beginning next season.The Free Press reported the imminent deal Wednesday.
The first two years of the event will be held at Joe Louis Arena, and the next three at the yet-to-be-built arena for the Detroit Red Wings."The addition of the Horizon League men's basketball championship is a perfect compliment to our wide range of existing sports and entertainment events at our downtown Detroit venues," Tom Wilson, president of Olympia Entertainment, said in a released statement. "We look forward to providing an outstanding and memorable tournament experience for the schools, their fans and all participating student athletes."
The championship game will remain at 7 p.m. Tuesday, March 8, on ESPN or ESPN2. Additional information will be announced later.
"The partnership with Olympia Entertainment is a unique and exciting opportunity," Horizon League commissioner Jon LeCrone said in the statement. "We want to provide a great tournament experience for all of our key constituents -- student-athletes, coaches, administrators and fans -- and we are excited to work with Olympia and our institutions on that goal."
The news was first reported by the blog pantheru.com and said the conference likely would receive $200,000 per year.The tournament currently begins on campus sites and feeds into the semifinals and finals at the home court of the highest remaining seed. Detroit Mercy and Oakland are in the Horizon League.
Having an anchor site would allow the Horizon to stage surrounding activities, making it more of an event atmosphere, which could attract multiple fans bases.The Joe does not have much of basketball history, though there have been a few notable games.
It became an alternate basketball venue in 1984, when the Pontiac Silverdome had a scheduling conflict. It hosted the famous, decisive Detroit Pistons vs. New York Knicks Game 5 when Isiah Thomas scored 16 points in 94 seconds to force overtime.
Then the Pistons played there at the conclusion of the 1984-85 campaign, after the Silverdome roof collapsed.
It re-emerged in 2006, when the Detroit Shock won the WNBA title over the Sacramento Monarchs in the Game 5 at the JOe because the Palace of Auburn Hills had a concert conflict.
Contact Mark Snyder: msnyder@freepress.com. Follow him on Twitter
Keep in mind, a sweet 16 run is about $5+ million for a conference. It's virtually impossible to get a sweet 16 run from a 14-15 seed, and the Horizon sets itself up for a bad seed every time the top team doesn't win the conference tournament.
Quote from: a3uge on January 22, 2017, 10:21:46 PM
Keep in mind, a sweet 16 run is about $5+ million for a conference. It's virtually impossible to get a sweet 16 run from a 14-15 seed, and the Horizon sets itself up for a bad seed every time the top team doesn't win the conference tournament.
You don't seem to understand. As Commissioner LeCrone said when the move was made, all the big conferences play at independent sites, so if we play at an independent site, we'll be big too. It's kind of like if you start driving a fancy car like rich people do, you'll be rich too. See how simple it is?
I have said it before and i'll say it again. This move was going to happen at some point, because after the Butler run the HL started to think it's better than it is. But the quickness and urgency to do it was a direct result of our open interest in the MVC. I don't make bold declarations on this board often (mostly just uninformed opinions :) . But this comes from someone I went to high school with who worked in the Conference office at the time.
This family will continue to boycott the HL Tourney. Despite our support of the university and its student-athletes, the HL doesn't need our support. #BolttheHL
I laugh at the line about having events outside of the conference tournament that will attract fan bases from all the schools.
There's no way an average person (like me!) would want to make the commitment to go to Detroit.
I just looked at the bracket on the conference web site. What a joke. It adds in the women's tournament on the same page and includes the women in the game numbers.
So if I'm coming from Valpo, here's what it would entail if the Crusaders are a No. 1 seed and advance to the title game: a 5:30 p.m. game on March 4, a 7 p.m. game on March 6 and a 7 p.m. game on March 7.
March 4 is a Saturday, so I leave Valpo in the 9 a.m. range for the game at 4:30 central. Gas for the five-hour drive, maybe $30-$40?
Tickets for the game - I'm sure they aren't cheap. It looks like a floor-level seat is $40 per session.
Hotel room for Saturday night, Sunday night and Monday night - $250-$300 for a decent place?
I have to take vacation days off from work on Monday and Tuesday. The championship is at 6 Central on Tuesday, meaning the game ends at 8. A five-hour drive home puts me back in Valpo in the 1-2 a.m. range. And then I'm supposed to be at work on Wednesday at 8 a.m. so I don't have to take a third vacation day. I'm too old to do that any more.
So here's the tab: $600 for 3 nights in a hotel, $100 (at least) for food, $75 (at least) for gas, $160 for 1 ticket, 3 sessions = that is $935 for a bare bones estimate. Plus I burn two vacation days in early March and I'm dead tired when I get back on Wednesday morning. AND, this is assuming I go by myself, leaving my wife at home for 4 days with my 12-year-old son who would probably rather be with me and miss 2 days of school.
And this for a tournament with a crappy off-campus atmosphere where they have to hide the empty seats from the ESPN cameras. And in an environment that makes it much easier for a Non-No. 1 seed to win, giving the Horizon League a No. 15 seed in the NCAA Tournament.
I don't care what kind of extra entertainment the league lines up. I'm staying home and watching the games online or on TV.
The league must really hate Valpo to make this deal with Detroit. Taking away the incentive to win the league and host the tournament was a huge mistake. Thank you, Horizon League.
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on January 23, 2017, 08:07:59 AMI have said it before and i'll say it again. This move was going to happen at some point, because after the Butler run the HL started to think it's better than it is. But the quickness and urgency to do it was a direct result of our open interest in the MVC. I don't make bold declarations on this board often (mostly just uninformed opinions :) . But this comes from someone I went to high school with who worked in the Conference office at the time.
If it was a direct result of our open interest in the MVC, wouldn't the HL try to accommodate us? Moving it to Detroit clearly hurts Valpo. Would be much better for the basketball program if the HL would have left on campuses (would have hosted last year, brought sales tax revenue and probably another NCAA tournament bid) or place it in Chicago as opposed to Detroit. It appears as changing the tournament site was a punishment for Valpo and further pushes us out the door.
Exactly the point I was making, mick.
There are many logistical issues with moving to the MVC and we'd also need to get an invite... Valpo has some athletic facility infrastructure issues. We finally got a real track for the track team to run on, but the pool is completely and utterly inadequate for a D1 facility. It's pretty embarrassing actually.
The MVC scouted Valpo a few years ago and one of the reasons we didn't get a bid were facilities, TV markets, and size of the school I believe. The MVC badly wanted to get into Chicago for TV rating reasons and also recruiting, so they let in Loyola (they also considered UIC). I'm not sure if an invite will ever happen to the MVC or at least for a very long time or until they lose a team to the Big East or something (which I don't see happening after the recent poaching of Creighton).
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/713509283627941888
If this were to happen then maybe there is an opening but the MVC mens basketball conference would be pretty darn watered down compared to just a few years ago if they were to lose Creighton and Wichita State. Although it would most likely be good for raising the level of competition in most other sports teams.
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/809454049506525185
https://twitter.com/frankthetank111/status/809550455529439232
https://twitter.com/PaulSuellentrop/status/810868957339127809
https://twitter.com/hotcakes_33/status/354794402247487489
https://twitter.com/eamonnbrennan/status/354879593947205632
https://twitter.com/Hoxy10/status/323275440766726144
https://twitter.com/Hoxy10/status/323274705312288770
https://twitter.com/frankthetank111/status/323218980322033664
https://twitter.com/sg2waugh/status/323234496126255104
https://twitter.com/frankthetank111/status/323240801079525376
https://twitter.com/frankthetank111/status/323190629339377667
https://twitter.com/matthewbcarter/status/322000822600880128
https://twitter.com/MVCfans/status/321613464344870914
https://twitter.com/ValpoFanZone/status/320802362371502083
https://twitter.com/andyevans16/status/320711145054949376
Remembering (reminiscing?) all the Valpo to the MVC chatter from a few years ago.
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on January 23, 2017, 08:07:59 AM
I have said it before and i'll say it again. This move was going to happen at some point, because after the Butler run the HL started to think it's better than it is. But the quickness and urgency to do it was a direct result of our open interest in the MVC. I don't make bold declarations on this board often (mostly just uninformed opinions :) . But this comes from someone I went to high school with who worked in the Conference office at the time.
Not really. In Summer of 2013, Detroit's new stadium wasn't even funded yet, and the MVC visited schools around tourny time. The Horizon League didn't act urgently because they kept with the same format for another two years, well after the conference alignments happened.
My biggest gripe with the thing WAS the timing, and how they slapped their top school in the face. Valpo had an at-large caliber team coming in (literally everyone but 1 bench warmer returning), and the Horizon had a great chance at sending a really good seed to the tournament for a very winable game. The rest of the league was losing some talent (UWGB lost Sykes, Cleveland State their whole roster) and there were three teams with new coaches.
Oh, and also the league added Northern Kentucky WHEN THEY WEREN'T EVEN TOURNAMENT ELIGIBLE YET. If there was ever a year to protect the top seed, it was that 2015-16 season. But nope, Valpo got hammered in the RPI all year due to UIC and NKU (accounted for almost 10 positions alone). And then they got rewarded with a conference tournament game in an empty area with new sight lines.
Why didn't they just wait a year to sign the 5 year contract? They'd at least not have to play 2 years in a dumpy stadium. Why didn't they wait a year to add NKU? They'd at least be D1 eligible and wouldn't be an RPI drag.
That was a mind numbingly horrible decision, and it was proved to be terrible when Valpo made a "what could have been" NIT run while UWGB got murdered in the tournament by Buddy Hield and co. I still firmly believe the Horizon League lost out on millions from that decision to move the tournament a year early.
You meant Texas Tech
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Or Texas A&M...they're all pretty much the same thing 🤔
Oh snap
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Quote from: bsmith21 on January 23, 2017, 11:23:14 PM
Which lost to northern Iowa (A MVC team) after beating GB by 30
I've mistaken A&M for Oklahoma. Similar jerseys/teams. They even played each other in the tournament. UWGB got crushed by A&M, but A&M actually beat UNI in the next round, for those that turned the game off after UNI was up 13 with under 50 seconds left.
Quote from: bsmith21 on January 23, 2017, 11:23:14 PM
Which lost to northern Iowa (A MVC team) after beating GB by 30
That was Texas
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Valpo opens the January 24th with an RPI if 56 and a .5656 numerical rating... (Iona is 55 at .5663; and OleMiss is 57 at .5645)
Drake at Missouri State (MoST favored by 9.5)
Kentucky at Tennessee on ESPN right after the Kansas @WVU game that starts at 6pm CT (KY favored by 9.5 and WVU favored by 4)
Ball State at Eastern Michigan (EMU favored by 8)
Bryce is hosting Arkansas on the SEC Network at 7:30pm (Vandy is giving 3.5, but 78% of the vegas money is on the Hogs)
Missouri state loses to Drake at home in overtime
BBN loses to Tennessee
Ball state wins at EMU
Vandy loses heartbreàker to Arkansas, 3 free throws with 1.6 seconds for the hogs. Bad Commodore time mgmnt.
Wait, you are telling me that they messed up over the closing minutes of a game? :) I love the Drews, but I very much disliked how they used timeouts, as well as how we milked the clock over the last 5 minutes of games, only to let teams get close again.
Valpo ENDs January 24th with an RPI if 65 and a .5695 numerical rating...
Yesterday's Neighbors: Iona WAS 55 at .5663; Fell to #104~! .5404; and OleMiss was 57 at .5645, now is up to 47 .5870
Today's Neighbors: #64 Vermont .5703 and #66 LaSalle .5687 (both of those teams are in action tonight)
Tuesday's games:
Drake at Missouri State (MoST favored by 9.5) - DIDN'T HAPPEN
Kentucky at Tennessee (KY favored by 9.5 ) - DIDN'T HAPPEN
Ball State at Eastern Michigan (EMU favored by 8) - DIDN'T HAPPEN
Wednesday's games:
Indiana State at Illinois State (Redbirds favored by 13) - ESPN3
Rhode Island at Richmond (Rams favored by 4.5) - CBS SportsNet
Alabama at Georgia (Bulldogs favored by 5) - ESPN U
Valpo begins January 25th with an RPI if 65 and a .5695 numerical rating...
yesterday's Neighbors: #64 Vermont .5703 and #66 LaSalle .5687 (both of those teams are in action tonight)
Vermont Climbed to #57 with their win over Albany; LaSalle fell to #86 with their loss to Penn
Wednesday's games:
Indiana State at Illinois State (Redbirds favored by 13) -HAPPENED Ill State 71-66, but they came from 10-down to win.
Rhode Island at Richmond (Rams favored by 4.5) - DIDN'T HAPPEN Spidey 73-62, in a game that wasn't that close.
Alabama at Georgia (Bulldogs favored by 5) - DIDN'T HAPPEN Tide 80-60, (sorry Oakland, our mediocre SEC team is better than your mediocre SEC Team!)
Valpo ends the day: #63 .5687
Today's neighbors... #62 Vanderbryce .5697 and #64 Michigan .5685 (Michigan hosts IU on ESPN2 at 8pm)
CalState Bakersfield @ Chicago State (CSU-B favored by 10 - Nolan Predictor; Vegas has no line)
North Dakota @ Southern Utah (North Dakota favored by 9)
Oregon @ Utah on FoxSports1 at 9:30pm (Utah favored by 2.5, with 86% of the money on the Ducks)
BYU @ Santa Clara at 10pm on ESPNU (BYU favored by 4, with 96% of the money on the Cougars)
Santa Clara with a 76-68 win over BYU breaking a 16 game losing steak to the Cougars.
Valpo Started the day: #63 .5687
yesterday's neighbors... #62 Vanderbryce .5697 and #64 Michigan .5685
Vandy jumped from #62 to #61 (.5714) ; Michigan demolished IU by 30; and climbed all the way to #57. (.5752)
CalState Bakersfield @ Chicago State (CSU-B favored by 10) - HAPPENED - CSB 75-59
North Dakota @ Southern Utah (North Dakota favored by 9) - HAPPENED - With two free throws with 1.1 seconds -ND 91 SUU 89
Oregon @ Utah (Utah favored by 2.5), with 86% of the money on the Ducks - Smart Money win... Ducks 73-67
BYU @ Santa Clara at 10pm on ESPNU - BRONCOS with the 76-68 win, on 14 3-pointers.
so a Loss, Loss, Win, Wash... and
the Valpo RPI ends the day...right where we started at #63 with a numerical .5685 ~~ 2 ten-thousandths of a point lower.
Today's neighbors: #62 is Utah .5692 and #64 Ole Miss .5683
FRIDAY'S GAMES
Panther Nation at Calihan 6pm Central (Titans favored by 2.5, but 100% of the money is on MIL)
Norse at the Pavilion 7pm Central (Flames favored by 2, 50-50 on the money on this one)
Phoenix at the ORena 8pm ESPNU (Grizz favored by 7.5, but 100% of the money is on GB)
Could be some interesting movement in the standings.
oh, BYU did fall to #104... so we are 2-0 against the top 50-100 group (Rhody 53 and Bama 77)
Quote from: bsmith21 on January 26, 2017, 09:23:37 AM
I'm guessing we are all rooting for BYU over Santa Clara so they can stay in the top 100.
Actually, the Santa Clara win over BYU isn't a bad outcome at all for Valpo. Though it does slightly impact Valpo's win over BYU, it makes theloss to Santa Clara look more palatable (the "worst loss" for Valpo doesn't look so bad, especially considering it was in overtime). Santa Clara has actually played pretty well (6-3) since defeating Valpo, and their RPI has improved by quite a bit. I don't have the numbers in front of me, but it was something like a 75 point improvement in Santa Clara's RPI. From now on, we can cheer for BYU and Santa Clara to win out, which will help Valpo's RPI.
agree...if the could Bronco's could beat St Mary's when they host the Gaels on Saturday night...that would be special.
Which loss is worse? Santa Clara or Oakland?
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 27, 2017, 01:44:12 PMWhich loss is worse? Santa Clara or Oakland?
We will tell you after the Santa Clara- St Mary's game. ;)
Santa Clara played the last eight minutes against BYU with both of their big guys fouled out, somebody not suited up, and only 5 regular players available. I tip my hat to them. They defend well, compete hard and when their shots are dropping, they are dangerous.
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 27, 2017, 01:44:12 PM
Which loss is worse? Santa Clara or Oakland?
I would say Santa Clara. Conference foes usually have better scouting, higher motivation, less fear and greater familiarity with your home court; that's why it's hard to escape the conference season without a loss.
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 27, 2017, 01:44:12 PMWhich loss is worse? Santa Clara or Oakland?
RPI
Valpo 62
Oakland 137
Santa Clara 161
Sagarin:
Valpo 77
Oakland 100
Santa Clara 152
a Very Tiny asterisk on the Double OT part
The answer TODAY is Santa Clara is a worse loss, their ranking will go up with these rankings on the schedule:
19, 196, 10, 105, 218, 241, 177, 218, 19 We are far-and-away their best win
Oakland has these powerhouses on their schedule:
153, 282, 249, 243, 266, 63, 235, 249, 153, 282 Georgia is their best win.
Quote from: talksalot on January 27, 2017, 02:08:10 PMRPIValpo 62Oakland 137Santa Clara 161
Grizzly loss tonight to GB, but Oak at 155 in the RPI...
the Valpo RPI starts the day...at #63 with a numerical .5685
Today's neighbors: #62 is Utah .5692 and #64 Ole Miss .5683
FRIDAY'S GAMES
Panther Nation at Calihan 6pm Central (Titans favored by 2.5, but 100% of the money is on MIL) Milwaukee in 73-69 in Overtime.
Norse at the Pavilion 7pm Central (Flames favored by 2, 50-50 on the money on this one) DIDN"T HAPPEN. Norse in a walk-over 79-62
Phoenix at the ORena 8pm ESPNU (Grizz favored by 7.5, but 100% of the money is on GB) DIDN'T HAPPEN. Phoenix in a walk-over 80-72
and Valpo skyrockets all the way from #63 to #61. .5715 on the number
NcState is our neighbor at #60 and Vanderbryce is at #62. As for yesterday's neighbors, Utah #63 and OleMiss doesn't move from #64
Valpo Opens Saturday @ #61. .5715 on the number
NcState is our neighbor at #60 and Vanderbryce is at #62.
Lots of opportunities here...
Ball State is favored by 6.5 over Western Michigan in Muncie
Loyola is favored by 1.5 over Indiana State in Terre Haute
Rhode Island is favored by 6.5 over St. Bonnie in Rhode Island
Grand Canyon is at Chicago State
Morgan State is at Coppin State
Bama is favored by 7 over Mississippi State at Tuscaloosa
Southern Utah is favored by 1.5 over Northern Colorado at home
Youngstown State is favored by 1 over Cleveland State at the Beeghly
Southern Illinois is favored by 2.5 over Missouri State in Springfield
BYU is favored by 12.5 over Loyola-Marymount in Utah
St. Mary's is favored by 10 over Santa Clara at Santa Clara
Oregon is favored by 6.5 over Colorado east of the Rockies
If you are tracking Alec's national scoring leadership, his competition from North Florida is on Espn3 at 3pm against Stetson. Alec with a 13-point lead after last nights' 25.
Oakland has now lost 3 consecutive home games. I can't venture a guess as to how long it's been since we did that. It would have to be a long time ago.
Edit: The last time we lost 3 consecutive home games was in '07-'08, our first season in the HL. Soon to be 10 years ago.
Ball State is favored by 6.5 over Western Michigan in Muncie, Failed to cover,but won 84-78 - GOOD
Loyola is favored by 1.5 over Indiana State in Terre Haute, Ramblers covered, 81-66 - BAD
Rhode Island is favored by 6.5 over St. Bonnie in Rhode Island, Rams covered, 71-59 - GOOD
Grand Canyon is at Chicago State - No Line, Cougars lost 85-77 - BAD
Morgan State is at Coppin State - No Line, Eagles lost 76-74 - BAD
Bama is favored by 7 over Mississippi State at Tuscaloosa, Tide Covered 71-62 - GOOD
Southern Utah is favored by 1.5 over Northern Colorado at home, SUU failed to cover or win, NC 89-71 - BAD
Youngstown State is favored by 1 over Cleveland State at the Beeghly. Guins covered 67-64 - PUSH
Kansas beat Kentucky 79-72 - BAD "Can you say 2-seed?" - BAD
Southern Illinois is favored by 2.5 over Missouri State in Springfield - Salukis 85-84 - BAD
BYU is favored by 12.5 over Loyola-Marymount in Utah, Cougars won 86-77 - GOOD
St. Mary's is favored by 10 over Santa Clara at Santa Clara, Gaels covered 72-59 - BAD
Oregon is favored by 6.5 over Colorado east of the Rockies, Yuuch, Buff's 74-65 as the Ducks Flopped - BAD
That's 4 "Good" 8 "Bad" and one "Push"
So we wake up on this snowy morning #66, .5694 in the RPI; and a half-game lead in the HL:
1pm/noon: Milwaukee @ Oakland
2pm/1pm: Green Bay @ Detroit
4pm/3pm: Wright State @ UIC
So we wake up on this snowy morning #66, .5694 in the RPI; and a half-game lead in the HL:
1pm/noon: Oakland 79 Milwaukee 70 Overtime; Jalen Hayes had 23-14 on Friday in their loss to Green Bay; had 22-11 in their win today. that's 45-15 on the weekend, but they didn't win both games, and he did get 5 of the rebounds in the overtime period that should never have happened.
2pm/1pm: Detroit 93 Green Bay 92 DeShawndre Black's 3-point play with 12 seconds left gave Detroit Mercy a 93-92 victory; UDM's Hogan with 28-4 (had 15-11 on Friday, for a 43-15 weekend, but they lost on Friday to Milwaukee)
4pm/3pm: Wright State 88 UIC 86 Alstork with 24, Mitchell had 14 and 10
Valpo the only team in the league to go 2-0 on the weekend. Shane Hammink scored 21 points and Alec Peters added 16 points and 12 rebounds, to go with 25 points and 14 rebounds on Friday for 41 and 26 and the school career Free Throw Champion on the weekend, and the National Lead in Career Points for an active player with over 2200 points.
Youngstown 1-0 only playing the one game against Cleveland State; Morse had 23 points and 2 rebounds for the 'Guins.
My AP bias is huge... but he should get that 9th POW on Monday...or will the league office ignore the final scores and look at the stats.
So we end the weekend #61, .5727 in the RPI; and a one-and-a-half-game lead in the HL.
In a 5-way tie for the longest winning streak in the country at 7... tied with Monmouth, Mt. St. Mary's, Navy and Sam Houston State.
in a 5-way tie for the 25th best D1 record in the country... tied with Illinois State, Northwestern, West Virginia and...let's see, oh yeh, Kentucky.
Oakland should easily be 4-6 in conference. 5 seconds left with uwm shooting 3 free throws. At that point I wonder what the odds are that Oakland loses. And uic crazy non call at the end of the game, Oakland Lucky to be 6-4 rather than 4-6
so, now we know... Wins and Losses are not as important as the stat sheet.
NDIANAPOLIS – Oakland's Jalen Hayes has been named Horizon League Player of the Week after he posted back-to-back double-doubles, averaging 22.5 points and 12 rebounds, while converting a league-best 22-of-29 (75.9 percent) from the field.
Player of the Week | Jalen Hayes | Oakland | R-Jr. | Forward | Lansing, Mich.
Hayes recorded back-to-back double-doubles, his fifth during Horizon League play. The Lansing, Mich., native scored game-highs in both outings, tallying 23 and 22 points respectively. Hayes shot an impressive 76 percent from the floor, going 22-of-29 in the two games, to lead all league players in field goal percentage.
Sunday's win over Milwaukee marked the 19th time in his last 20 league games Hayes reached double figures. He led the Golden Grizzlies in two games averaging 22.5 points and 12.0 rebounds.
This is Hayes' first career player of the week honor and is the first for an Oakland player since Feb. 22, 2016, when Kay Felder earned his seventh weekly honor of the 2015-16 season – the most single-season player of the week honors in Horizon League history.
2016-17 Horizon League Players of the Week
Nov. 14 – Mark Alstork, Wright State
Nov. 21 – Mark Alstork, Wright State
Nov. 28 – Alec Peters, Valparaiso
Dec. 5 – Drew McDonald, Northern Kentucky | Alec Peters, Valparaiso
Dec. 12 – Lavone Holland II, Northern Kentucky
Dec. 19 – Alec Peters, Valparaiso
Dec. 26 – Tai Odiase, UIC
Jan. 2 – Charles Cooper, Green Bay
Jan. 9 – Drew McDonald, Northern Kentucky
Jan. 16 – Jaleel Hogan, Detroit
Jan. 23 – Alec Peters, Valparaiso
Jan. 30 – Jalen Hayes, Oakland
I'm sure the fact his FG% was about 40% higher than Alec's had nothing to do with it.
22-29 is impressive. Alec struggled last game. It's a team sport and these are individual stats.
Look at it this way: thank god we have things to be excited about beyond these awards. Oakland hasn't been a top 100 RPI team in several years, so beyond these awards, what do their fans have to look forward to at this point? Another Vegas 16 tournament appearance? An upset of the top team? At best, a 15 seed in the tournament? Let them have their awards, they need it.
Quote from: talksalot on January 30, 2017, 12:47:03 PM
so, now we know... Wins and Losses are not as important as the stat sheet.
NDIANAPOLIS – Oakland's Jalen Hayes has been named Horizon League Player of the Week after he posted back-to-back double-doubles, averaging 22.5 points and 12 rebounds, while converting a league-best 22-of-29 (75.9 percent) from the field.
Player of the Week | Jalen Hayes | Oakland | R-Jr. | Forward | Lansing, Mich.
Hayes recorded back-to-back double-doubles, his fifth during Horizon League play. The Lansing, Mich., native scored game-highs in both outings, tallying 23 and 22 points respectively. Hayes shot an impressive 76 percent from the floor, going 22-of-29 in the two games, to lead all league players in field goal percentage.
Sunday's win over Milwaukee marked the 19th time in his last 20 league games Hayes reached double figures. He led the Golden Grizzlies in two games averaging 22.5 points and 12.0 rebounds.
This is Hayes' first career player of the week honor and is the first for an Oakland player since Feb. 22, 2016, when Kay Felder earned his seventh weekly honor of the 2015-16 season – the most single-season player of the week honors in Horizon League history.
2016-17 Horizon League Players of the Week
Nov. 14 – Mark Alstork, Wright State
Nov. 21 – Mark Alstork, Wright State
Nov. 28 – Alec Peters, Valparaiso
Dec. 5 – Drew McDonald, Northern Kentucky | Alec Peters, Valparaiso
Dec. 12 – Lavone Holland II, Northern Kentucky
Dec. 19 – Alec Peters, Valparaiso
Dec. 26 – Tai Odiase, UIC
Jan. 2 – Charles Cooper, Green Bay
Jan. 9 – Drew McDonald, Northern Kentucky
Jan. 16 – Jaleel Hogan, Detroit
Jan. 23 – Alec Peters, Valparaiso
Jan. 30 – Jalen Hayes, Oakland
I think that Peters/Hammink/Tevonn are all top 10 players in the league. However, I highly doubt all three make it on 1st or 2nd team at the end of the season. The league will award stat getters from terrible teams. Also, the problem for Tevonn is that his contributions don't always show up in the stats, but I would take him top 10 in a HL draft any day of the week. We are 1/2 way through the conference season, somebody should start a thread for "mid-season" awards if the season were to end today. That could be fun.
None of our opponents are playing tonight... but the game to track is North Florida vs. Florida Gulf Coast
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/game?gameId=400918778
or watch it on espn3
UNF #14 is Dallas Moore. The guy in a dog fight with Alec Peters for the Career Points lead. Alec leads by 16 going into tonight. So far, he has 8 points coming up to the under 12 media in the first half.
Quote from: talksalot on January 30, 2017, 06:17:45 PMUNF #14 is Dallas Moore. The guy in a dog fight with Alec Peters for the Career Points lead. Alec leads by 16 going into tonight. So far, he has 8 points coming up to the under 12 media in the first half.
So, I'm sure you already know... Dallas Moore... scored 17 points tonight in their blowout loss to FGCU. 4 if 9 from 2pt, 3 of 9 from 3pt and missed his only free-throw attempt...
so, until Thursday... he has a 1-point lead on AP for the career points lead.
we started Monday... #61, .5727 none of our opponents played today; and are at #61 .5725 dropping two 10,000th's of a point.
Tuesday's schedule, and a rarity... all of our opponents are at home and are favored! which means absolutely nothing!
Toledo at Ball State (Cards favored by 3.5)
George Washington at Rhode Island (Rams favored by 10.5)
Loyola at Missouri State (Most favored by 2)
Georgia at Kentucky ( 'cats favored by 16.5)
Sanitylost17, they started one on the HL blog. Of course and like many years before, not very many valpo guys making the list. Very disrespectful
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 31, 2017, 07:26:45 AM
Sanitylost17, they started one on the HL blog. Of course and like many years before, not very many valpo guys making the list. Very disrespectful
Which one and where?
http://horizonleaguefans.freeforums.net/thread/988/half (http://horizonleaguefans.freeforums.net/thread/988/half)
Tuesday's schedule, and a rarity... all of our opponents are at home and are favored! which means absolutely EVERYTHING! 4-0 ON THE NIGHT!
Toledo at Ball State (Cards favored by 3.5) Cards 81-80... but they really tried to give it away!
George Washington at Rhode Island (Rams favored by 10.5)... tied at 69, Rhode Island closes on 13-1 run to beat George Washington
Loyola at Missouri State (Most favored by 2).... failed to cover, but 1 is enough 82-81 in Overtime!
Georgia at Kentucky ( 'cats favored by 16.5) 90-81 in Overtime. Mr. Monk had a decent second half.
Started Tuesday at #61 .5725
Ended Tuesday at #58 .5738, with only the Wyoming @ San Diego State game left...
The Wednesday Festivities....starting at #58 .5738
Alabama at Arkansas (Hogs favored by 10)
Evansville at Indiana State (Sycs favored by 4)
(Vegas says RockChalk favored by 6.5 over Scotty)
Hmmmm Is it even mathematically possible for a team to now have a 14-7 record and be saddled with an RPI of 207 ???
Well maybe if your OOC schedule is ranked 349 and you played in a weak MAC conference which encourages cream puff non-con schedules so they can boost RPIs ???
Yes!!! We are speaking of Ball St and we possess two of the same anchor wins they have in 331 Coppin St, and 345 Southern Utah.
Question? We signed up for a OOC Tournament which gave us Alabama and BYU on a neutral court but in the fine print we had to host 2 of the worst teams in college basketball. Net, net was this worth it ???
Quote from: justducky on February 01, 2017, 09:41:50 AM
Question? We signed up for a OOC Tournament which gave us Alabama and BYU on a neutral court but in the fine print we had to host 2 of the worst teams in college basketball. Net, net was this worth it ???
Ok, who do we schedule instead of those 4 games? Could we actually get 4 D-1 schools?
The Wednesday Festivities....starting at #58 .5738
Alabama at Arkansas (Hogs favored by 10) Razorbacks covered, and thensome... 87-69
Evansville at Indiana State (Sycs favored by 4) Took'em an overtime, but ISU prevailed 85-84.
so the OOC OPP go 1-1
and Baylor just threw the ball out of bounds with 1.3 seconds to, down 3 at Phogg Allen.
Valpo's RPI #56 .5739 climbed two spots and 1 10,000th of point.
Quote from: justducky on February 01, 2017, 09:41:50 AM
Hmmmm Is it even mathematically possible for a team to now have a 14-7 record and be saddled with an RPI of 207 ???
Well maybe if your OOC schedule is ranked 349 and you played in a weak MAC conference which encourages cream puff non-con schedules so they can boost RPIs ???
Yes!!! We are speaking of Ball St and we possess two of the same anchor wins they have in 331 Coppin St, and 345 Southern Utah.
Question? We signed up for a OOC Tournament which gave us Alabama and BYU on a neutral court but in the fine print we had to host 2 of the worst teams in college basketball. Net, net was this worth it ???
What do Wright State and Ball State have in common?
I attended the #14 cincinnati at Tulsa game last night. I ran into a friend who is on staff at oru. Oru is having a historic bad year after having a bad year last year.
I inquired about the down years at oru and the coach simply said we don't have the talent and recruiting has been taking a hit.
I asked what changed?
He responded that the university doesn't provide cost of living with the scholarship until junior year and the amount is very small compared to other schools.
Since our players live on campus the first couple years, does VU pay cost of living on top of the scholarship? What do the other horizon league teams do? Is there a chance uic and northern Kentucky pay a great deal more to the players than valpo?
Starting Thursday, Valpo's RPI #56 .5739
UDM @ Cleveland State 6pm - Vikings favored by 6.5
OAK @ Youngstown State 6pm - Grizz favored by 7.5
UIC @ Green Bay 7pm - Phoenix favored by 8
Santa Clara @ Portland 9pm - Broncos favored by 5
Arizona State @ Oregon 10pm - Ducks by 17 FoxSports 1
Gonzaga @ BYU 10pm - Bulldogs favored by 8 ESPN 2
The line on the game tonight has fallen to 8.5, starting yesterday morning at 10... The O/U at 134...up from 129
Starting Thursday, Valpo's RPI #56 .5739 ... Immediately after the VU Win was posted, the RPI climbed to 55... very briefly.
UDM @ Cleveland State 6pm - Vikings favored by 6.5 CSU 90 UDM 73
OAK @ Youngstown State 6pm - Grizz favored by 7.5 OAK 90 YSU 76
UIC @ Green Bay 7pm - Phoenix favored by 8 - GB 84 UIC 80
Three in the books and three to go: #57 0.5734 That's what happens when you play #259 (who climbed to 258 on the loss)
Santa Clara @ Portland 9pm - Broncos favored by 5
Arizona State @ Oregon 10pm - Ducks by 17 FoxSports 1
Gonzaga @ BYU 10pm - Bulldogs favored by 8 ESPN 2
The line on the Milwaukee game tonight has fallen to 8.5, starting yesterday morning at 10... The O/U at 134...up from 129... so... 71-53... we covered the spread but not the OU
Three in the books and three to go: #57 0.5734 That's what happens when you play #259 (who climbed to 258 on the loss)
Santa Clara @ Portland 9pm - Broncos favored by 5 - Jared Brownridge had three 3-pointers and 17 points, Santa Clara held Portland to 16 second-half points to win 60-45
Arizona State @ Oregon 10pm - Ducks by 17 FoxSports 1 - Dillon Brooks scored 27 points, including the last 12 of the game for #13 Oregon, and the Ducks escaped with a 71-70 victory
Gonzaga @ BYU 10pm - Bulldogs favored by 8 ESPN 2 - and they covered 85-75
and the RPI ends Thursday: #57 0.5735 BYU at 96, 'Bama at 67 and URI at 44 are helping, AND, Santa Clara is at #144. Which is answering one of the questions posed earlier... Oakland has fallen to #145.... now our worst loss of the season.
Friday 2/3 Action:
Rhode Island at Davidson, the Wildcats are favored by 4.
Buffalo at Ball State, the Cardinals are favored by 10.
Quote from: bbtds on February 02, 2017, 07:46:56 AMWhat do Wright State and Ball State have in common?
Since nobody else will bite let me be the straight man. After exhaustive research I have discovered that both are located on planet Earth and both are named after 19'th century primates.
Your turn.
They have both beaten Valpo one more time that we have beaten them (WSU 14-15, Ball State 31-32)... although Santa Clara would now be on that list... 0-1
They both have 15 wins on the season
RI with a nice 70-59 win at Davidson. Nice surprise as I fell asleep with them trailing by 9. RPI still at 56.
Quote from: justducky on February 03, 2017, 08:20:04 PM
RI with a nice 70-59 win at Davidson. Nice surprise as I fell asleep with them trailing by 9. RPI still at 56.
I watched the the last 10 minutes, Davidson did not score a basket until the clock was at 5 seconds
Valpo opens the first full week of February, First Place in HL, 1/2 game lead, and an RPI @# 64 0.5671; Sagarin fell from 77 to 85 this morning.
This week... the opponents see action:
Monday:
NC Central @ Coppin State
Tuesday:
Ball State @ Akron
Alabama @ South Carolina
LSU @ Kentucky
Rhode Island @ UMass
Wednesday
Indiana State @ Bradley
Thursday:
Montana @ SUU
Missouri State @ Wichita State
Oregon @ UCLA
Santa Clara @ San Francisco
BYI @ Pepperdine
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Milwaukee @ Wright State
GB @ Northern Kentucky
Youngstown State @ UIC
(Oakland gets the rematch with Detroit on Friday)
Quote from: bbtds on February 02, 2017, 07:46:56 AMWhat do Wright State and Ball State have in common?
so... bbtds... what's the answer???
Quote from: justducky on February 03, 2017, 10:40:08 AM
Quote from: bbtds on February 02, 2017, 07:46:56 AMWhat do Wright State and Ball State have in common?
Since nobody else will bite let me be the straight man. After exhaustive research I have discovered that both are located on planet Earth and both are named after 19'th century primates.
Your turn.
They are both named after brothers. Wright State was named for the very famous inventors of flight, Orville and Wilbur Wright. Ball State is named for Frank and Edmund Ball, who started the Ball Brothers Glass Manufacturing Company in 1886. In 1889 the company relocated to Muncie, Indiana. In 1969 after a few name changes it became the Ball Corporation. They also let three more Ball brothers into the company, William, Lucius and George. So there were actually 5 Ball brothers involved in the manufacturing business. Later on they bought the school in Muncie that had gone bankrupt and after a few years gifted it to the state of Indiana for the education of teachers. Later on the school was renamed Ball State University to honor the manufacturing brothers who donated the school to the state.
The Ball brothers uncle, George Harvey Ball, an educator and president of Keuka College of Kueka Park, NY in the Finger Lakes region, gave the money for the two original Ball brothers to buy the Wooden Jacket Can Company of Buffalo (which was the company that eventually became the Ball Corporation of Muncie). It was their gratitude for their uncle's sacrifice that led them to buy the school in Muncie and dedicate it to educating teachers.
I found this part of the history of Keuka College on wikipedia:
The College faced financial troubles and decided to suspend active instruction in 1915. In 1919, Arthur H. Norton (after whom the Norton Chapel is named) was chosen as the president of Keuka and worked to revitalize the College. Under Norton, who would serve as president for the next 16 years, Keuka resumed instruction in 1921 as Keuka College for Women. During this trying time (1919-1921), Norton personally wrote more than 3,000 letters, published and mailed at least 10,000 pamphlets, made 66 speeches, and surveyed 76 colleges in order to advance Keuka's cause. Dr. Gertrude Martin, former dean of women at Cornell University, became a Keuka trustee and advised the now women's college[29] The Ball Brothers—founders of what would become the Ball Corporation, a S&P 500 company, and benefactors of Ball State University—were among the key supporters of Keuka at this time. Years earlier, with their father in poor health, the young Ball brothers "found a friend and confidant in their uncle," George Harvey Ball. When the Ball brothers' mother, Lucius Styles Ball, died, Uncle George provided financial support and some measure of stability to the young Ball brothers. George Harvey Ball also provided his nephews with funds that helped launch their successful enterprise.[30][31] The Ball brothers expressed their gratitude to their uncle by supporting Keuka College, donating land and providing funds. In recognition of this, the first academic building was renamed Ball Hall (Ball Memorial Hall) in 1921 after founder and first president George Harvey Ball and the Ball Brothers[32] The Ball Family also supported Hillsdale College in Michigan.[33]
Quote from: bbtds on February 05, 2017, 12:13:43 PM
Quote from: justducky on February 03, 2017, 10:40:08 AM
Quote from: bbtds on February 02, 2017, 07:46:56 AMWhat do Wright State and Ball State have in common?
Since nobody else will bite let me be the straight man. After exhaustive research I have discovered that both are located on planet Earth and both are named after 19'th century primates.
Your turn.
They are both named after brothers. Wright State was named for the very famous inventors of flight, Orville and Wilbur Wright. Ball State is named for Frank and Edmund Ball, who started the Ball Brothers Glass Manufacturing Company in 1886. In 1889 the company relocated to Muncie, Indiana. In 1969 after a few name changes it became the Ball Corporation. They also let three more Ball brothers into the company, William, Lucius and George. So there were actually 5 Ball brothers involved in the manufacturing business. Later on they bought the school in Muncie that had gone bankrupt and after a few years gifted it to the state of Indiana for the education of teachers. Later on the school was renamed Ball State University to honor the manufacturing brothers who donated the school to the state.
The Ball brothers uncle, George Harvey Ball, an educator and president of Keuka College of Kueka Park, NY in the Finger Lakes region, gave the money for the two original Ball brothers to buy the Wooden Jacket Can Company of Buffalo (which was the company that eventually became the Ball Corporation of Muncie). It was their gratitude for their uncle's sacrifice that led them to buy the school in Muncie and dedicate it to educating teachers.
I found this part of the history of Keuka College on wikipedia:
The College faced financial troubles and decided to suspend active instruction in 1915. In 1919, Arthur H. Norton (after whom the Norton Chapel is named) was chosen as the president of Keuka and worked to revitalize the College. Under Norton, who would serve as president for the next 16 years, Keuka resumed instruction in 1921 as Keuka College for Women. During this trying time (1919-1921), Norton personally wrote more than 3,000 letters, published and mailed at least 10,000 pamphlets, made 66 speeches, and surveyed 76 colleges in order to advance Keuka's cause. Dr. Gertrude Martin, former dean of women at Cornell University, became a Keuka trustee and advised the now women's college[29] The Ball Brothers—founders of what would become the Ball Corporation, a S&P 500 company, and benefactors of Ball State University—were among the key supporters of Keuka at this time. Years earlier, with their father in poor health, the young Ball brothers "found a friend and confidant in their uncle," George Harvey Ball. When the Ball brothers' mother, Lucius Styles Ball, died, Uncle George provided financial support and some measure of stability to the young Ball brothers. George Harvey Ball also provided his nephews with funds that helped launch their successful enterprise.[30][31] The Ball brothers expressed their gratitude to their uncle by supporting Keuka College, donating land and providing funds. In recognition of this, the first academic building was renamed Ball Hall (Ball Memorial Hall) in 1921 after founder and first president George Harvey Ball and the Ball Brothers[32] The Ball Family also supported Hillsdale College in Michigan.[33]
Wait. Thats all you've got? Instead of a punchline you give us a scholarly history lesson?
Yesterday left us dismayed, in despair, and now this disappointment has rubbed fresh salt in our wounds. :'( You've got to do better than that. :'( We hold you to a higher standard. :'(
Quote from: justducky on February 05, 2017, 01:59:37 PM
Quote from: bbtds on February 05, 2017, 12:13:43 PM
Quote from: justducky on February 03, 2017, 10:40:08 AM
Quote from: bbtds on February 02, 2017, 07:46:56 AMWhat do Wright State and Ball State have in common?
Since nobody else will bite let me be the straight man. After exhaustive research I have discovered that both are located on planet Earth and both are named after 19'th century primates.
Your turn.
They are both named after brothers. Wright State was named for the very famous inventors of flight, Orville and Wilbur Wright. Ball State is named for Frank and Edmund Ball, who started the Ball Brothers Glass Manufacturing Company in 1886. In 1889 the company relocated to Muncie, Indiana. In 1969 after a few name changes it became the Ball Corporation. They also let three more Ball brothers into the company, William, Lucius and George. So there were actually 5 Ball brothers involved in the manufacturing business. Later on they bought the school in Muncie that had gone bankrupt and after a few years gifted it to the state of Indiana for the education of teachers. Later on the school was renamed Ball State University to honor the manufacturing brothers who donated the school to the state.
The Ball brothers uncle, George Harvey Ball, an educator and president of Keuka College of Kueka Park, NY in the Finger Lakes region, gave the money for the two original Ball brothers to buy the Wooden Jacket Can Company of Buffalo (which was the company that eventually became the Ball Corporation of Muncie). It was their gratitude for their uncle's sacrifice that led them to buy the school in Muncie and dedicate it to educating teachers.
I found this part of the history of Keuka College on wikipedia:
The College faced financial troubles and decided to suspend active instruction in 1915. In 1919, Arthur H. Norton (after whom the Norton Chapel is named) was chosen as the president of Keuka and worked to revitalize the College. Under Norton, who would serve as president for the next 16 years, Keuka resumed instruction in 1921 as Keuka College for Women. During this trying time (1919-1921), Norton personally wrote more than 3,000 letters, published and mailed at least 10,000 pamphlets, made 66 speeches, and surveyed 76 colleges in order to advance Keuka's cause. Dr. Gertrude Martin, former dean of women at Cornell University, became a Keuka trustee and advised the now women's college[29] The Ball Brothers—founders of what would become the Ball Corporation, a S&P 500 company, and benefactors of Ball State University—were among the key supporters of Keuka at this time. Years earlier, with their father in poor health, the young Ball brothers "found a friend and confidant in their uncle," George Harvey Ball. When the Ball brothers' mother, Lucius Styles Ball, died, Uncle George provided financial support and some measure of stability to the young Ball brothers. George Harvey Ball also provided his nephews with funds that helped launch their successful enterprise.[30][31] The Ball brothers expressed their gratitude to their uncle by supporting Keuka College, donating land and providing funds. In recognition of this, the first academic building was renamed Ball Hall (Ball Memorial Hall) in 1921 after founder and first president George Harvey Ball and the Ball Brothers[32] The Ball Family also supported Hillsdale College in Michigan.[33]
Wait. Thats all you've got? Instead of a punchline you give us a scholarly history lesson?
Yesterday left us dismayed, in despair, and now this disappointment has rubbed fresh salt in our wounds. :'( You've got to do better than that. :'( We hold you to a higher standard. :'(
I guess the Ball is in your court? Crash the glass, gentlemen!
Quote from: justducky on February 05, 2017, 01:59:37 PM
Quote from: bbtds on February 05, 2017, 12:13:43 PM
Quote from: justducky on February 03, 2017, 10:40:08 AM
Quote from: bbtds on February 02, 2017, 07:46:56 AMWhat do Wright State and Ball State have in common?
Since nobody else will bite let me be the straight man. After exhaustive research I have discovered that both are located on planet Earth and both are named after 19'th century primates.
Your turn.
They are both named after brothers. Wright State was named for the very famous inventors of flight, Orville and Wilbur Wright. Ball State is named for Frank and Edmund Ball, who started the Ball Brothers Glass Manufacturing Company in 1886. In 1889 the company relocated to Muncie, Indiana. In 1969 after a few name changes it became the Ball Corporation. They also let three more Ball brothers into the company, William, Lucius and George. So there were actually 5 Ball brothers involved in the manufacturing business. Later on they bought the school in Muncie that had gone bankrupt and after a few years gifted it to the state of Indiana for the education of teachers. Later on the school was renamed Ball State University to honor the manufacturing brothers who donated the school to the state.
The Ball brothers uncle, George Harvey Ball, an educator and president of Keuka College of Kueka Park, NY in the Finger Lakes region, gave the money for the two original Ball brothers to buy the Wooden Jacket Can Company of Buffalo (which was the company that eventually became the Ball Corporation of Muncie). It was their gratitude for their uncle's sacrifice that led them to buy the school in Muncie and dedicate it to educating teachers.
I found this part of the history of Keuka College on wikipedia:
The College faced financial troubles and decided to suspend active instruction in 1915. In 1919, Arthur H. Norton (after whom the Norton Chapel is named) was chosen as the president of Keuka and worked to revitalize the College. Under Norton, who would serve as president for the next 16 years, Keuka resumed instruction in 1921 as Keuka College for Women. During this trying time (1919-1921), Norton personally wrote more than 3,000 letters, published and mailed at least 10,000 pamphlets, made 66 speeches, and surveyed 76 colleges in order to advance Keuka's cause. Dr. Gertrude Martin, former dean of women at Cornell University, became a Keuka trustee and advised the now women's college[29] The Ball Brothers—founders of what would become the Ball Corporation, a S&P 500 company, and benefactors of Ball State University—were among the key supporters of Keuka at this time. Years earlier, with their father in poor health, the young Ball brothers "found a friend and confidant in their uncle," George Harvey Ball. When the Ball brothers' mother, Lucius Styles Ball, died, Uncle George provided financial support and some measure of stability to the young Ball brothers. George Harvey Ball also provided his nephews with funds that helped launch their successful enterprise.[30][31] The Ball brothers expressed their gratitude to their uncle by supporting Keuka College, donating land and providing funds. In recognition of this, the first academic building was renamed Ball Hall (Ball Memorial Hall) in 1921 after founder and first president George Harvey Ball and the Ball Brothers[32] The Ball Family also supported Hillsdale College in Michigan.[33]
Wait. Thats all you've got? Instead of a punchline you give us a scholarly history lesson?
Yesterday left us dismayed, in despair, and now this disappointment has rubbed fresh salt in our wounds. :'( You've got to do better than that. :'( We hold you to a higher standard. :'(
I really don't understand why you thought "What do Wright State and Ball State have in common?" would lead to a comical answer.
Have I truly been that comical before?
Obviously not. ;) ;D
Just a legend in my own mind.
I'm truly sorry for the letdown. The question was truly meant as a learning opportunity. This board doesn't need to talk repeatedly about improving facilities. Valpo is an educational institution We need more history lessons on this board!!! :P
so... we start our Tuesday with the RPI at # 64, numerically 0.5670
Tuesday:
Ball State @ Akron - Zips favored by 13
Alabama @ South Carolina - Gamecocks favored by 14
LSU @ Kentucky - BBN favored by 31 ! Yes, 31
Rhode Island @ UMass - Minutemen favored by 1
other questions to be answered tonight...
Can Butler lose it's third game in a row (on the road at Marquette)
Can Vanderbryce get revenge of the 1-point loss to Arkansas... this time on the road?
Can Penn State actually BEAT MARYLAND at the Bryce Jordan Center...Lions are favored by 1 (97% of the money is on the Terps)
and what about Naomi?... sorry, it's been a long day.
so... we start our Tuesday with the RPI at # 64, numerically 0.5670
Tuesday:
Ball State @ Akron - Zips favored by 13- Isaiah Johnson with a shot at the buzzer...65-63 Zips
Alabama @ South Carolina - Gamecocks favored by 14 - took 'em 4 OTs but Bama pulled this one out 90-86 after missing GW shots at the end of every OT period.
LSU @ Kentucky - BBN favored by 31 ! Yes, 31... well, OK, they hung on to win 92-85... but, still a W
Rhode Island @ UMass - Minutemen favored by 1, another OOC OPP get's it done...Jared Terrell scored 14 points and Rhode Island made 5 of 6 free throws in the last 34 seconds to defeat UMass 70-62.
other questions to be answered tonight...
Can Butler lose it's third game in a row (on the road at Marquette)... no, they held on to win 68-65.
Can Vanderbryce get revenge of the 1-point loss to Arkansas... this time on the road? - Yup. Big Time! Jumped out 39-18 at the half, won it 72-59. Poor Adam Amin. Because of the 4OT game with Bama, Adam came on the air on the SECNetwork with 12:21 to play in the game. Relegated to the WatchEspn App for the blow-out portion.
Can Penn State actually BEAT MARYLAND at the Bryce Jordan Center...Lions are favored by 1 (97% of the money is on the Terps)... and 97% of the people LOST their money. PSU wins it 70-64.
and what about Naomi?... sorry, it's been a long day.... and the "Electric Company" reruns may come back to PBS someday...
After coming within a buzzer beater to have the OOC OPP sweep tonight... the Valpo RPI... DROPS to #67 0.5684 gained 7/10,000ths of a point, but dropped 3 places in the rankings.
Looking up to these three:
Akron 18 - 5 0.5689 #64
Houston 16 - 7 0.5688 #65
Georgetown 13 - 12 0.5687 #66
Quote from: talksalot on February 07, 2017, 10:17:00 PMand what about Naomi?... sorry, it's been a long day.... and the "Electric Company" reruns may come back to PBS someday...
Sorry....you're going to have to explain that one.....
Quote from: bbtds on February 08, 2017, 04:32:56 PM
Quote from: talksalot on February 07, 2017, 10:17:00 PMand what about Naomi?... sorry, it's been a long day.... and the "Electric Company" reruns may come back to PBS someday...
Sorry....you're going to have to explain that one.....
"talksalot" does not always mean "makessensealot"??
oh, come on... It started as a comedic line on the PBS kids show "Electric Company"... whenever there was a mystery, or tune in next week... they always threw in that tag line... Rowan and Martin's Laugh-in Spoofed it regularly... but you would have to be as old as I am to remember it.
Here's a sample:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlTmEeCnRp0
The entire "Love of Chair" sequence ... classics if you happen to have a 2-year-old running around...like I did those many years ago...
I'm sorry I even brought it up.
What about those Sycamore chances against Bradley tonight???
Always gotta like your chances when going up against wardle.
Starting Wednesday...the Valpo RPI... is #67 0.5684
One game for the OOC OPP... and its Indiana State vs. Mr. Wardle... and Van Soyc scored 19 and the Sycs won it 56-54 scoring the last 5 points of the game.
and the Valpo RPI ...moves up to.... 62 0.5689 climbed up 5 spots and 5/10,000ths of a point.
lots of things can happen on Thursday!
Quote from: talksalot on February 08, 2017, 06:02:30 PMoh, come on... It started as a comedic line on the PBS kids show "Electric Company"... whenever there was a mystery, or tune in next week... they always threw in that tag line... Rowan and Martin's Laugh-in Spoofed it regularly... but you would have to be as old as I am to remember it.
I remember Electric Company and Laugh-In, but don't recall the Naomi line or the spoof.
Thursday... not a particularly good (OK, bad) day for the opponent games...
Seattle 90 Chicago State 65
Montana 70 Southern Utah 55
Wichita State 80 Missouri State 62
Ducks up 9 at the half on the Bruins
HL Games
Wright 76 Milwaukee 65
Northern Kentucky 69 Green Bay 67
UIC 84 Youngstown State 81
Late games:
Santa Clara at San Francisco
BYU at Pepperdine
Updated HL Standings and RPI
Valpo 10-2 --- #72
Green 9-4 1.5 #129
Oakla 8-4 2 #143
NorKy 7-5 3 #124
Wrigh 7-5 3 #130
U.I.C 6-6 4 #234
DetMe 4-8 6 #270
Young 4-9 6.5 #283
Milwk 4-9 6.5 #274
Cleve 3-10 7.5 #250
Nice to have the lead... but we have to go to Oakland, Wright State and Northern Ky...have to go at least 2-1 against 'em.
With several games to go... RPI 72 0.5647 down .0047
Good news, we moved to 11-0 against teams ranked 200+
Bad news, we had to play 11 teams ranked 200+
Worse news, we have to play 3 more teams ranked 200+
SUtahU 344
Coppin 337
Ball St 213
Cgo St 294
The other 7 games are in the HL
(Oh, Indiana State is 199 and Missouri State is 189)
When was the last time we finished 200 plus in rpi? And how many times has that happened In the last 8 years?
Thursday... not a particularly good (OK, Really bad) day for the opponent games...
Last week, they all won. Last night.. every one of our OOC OPP who played, LOST!
Seattle 90 Chicago State 65
Montana 70 Southern Utah 55
Wichita State 80 Missouri State 62
UCLA 82 Oregon 79
San Francisco 61 Santa Clara 58 - The Don's RPI is 93, Broncos RPI 133
Pepperdine 99 BYU 83 - the Wave's RPI is 223, BYU's RPI 111...
HL Games
Wright 76 Milwaukee 65
Northern Kentucky 69 Green Bay 67
UIC 84 Youngstown State 81
With several games to go... RPI 72 0.5647 down .0047
When the three west-coast games ended our Thursday with an RPI 73 0.5630 down another .0017
So... The sun came up... looking at Friday's Games:
Ohio at Ball State 5:30CT start on CBS SportsNet
Dayton at Rhode Island - 6CT start RPIs #32 at #35 on ESPN2
Oakland at Detroit Mercy - 6CT start on ESPN3
But the big game... Undefeated in conference Valpo High at Once-beaten in conference Crown Point.... for ostensibly the Duneland Conference title.
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 10, 2017, 06:45:20 AM
When was the last time we finished 200 plus in rpi? And how many times has that happened In the last 8 years?
Not sure what you're asking here. When I read '200 plus', I think above/plus/better than. By my research we have finished the season with a better than 200 RPI in 9 out of the last 10 seasons, not counting 2017. The only season where we finished with a lower than 200 RPI rating was 2008-9, when we finished 9-22.
Rhode Island with the last second loss to Dayton. URI should've won but missed one too many free throws
and Ball State dropped to OU 79-77... so the OOC OPP losing streak continues...
Oakland beat Detroit Mercy, with three players scoring 20 or more... Hayes and Dorsey-Walker with 23 each; Walker with another 20. Grizz win their 4th straight.
and the Valpo RPI takes another hit...
#73 0.5619 down another .0011 without stepping foot on the court.
so, Saturday... a busy day across the nation...
Kentucky at Alabama - Noon (CT) on CBS
Drake at Indiana State - 1pm on ESPN3
Utah Valley at Chicago State - 2:00pm
Montana State at Southern Utah - 3:00pm
Bethune Cookman at Coppin State - 3:00pm
Santa Clara at Pacific 9:00pm
Oregon at USC 9:30pm
BYU at San Francisco 10pm
Cleveland State at UIC 3pm ESPN3
Green Bay at Wright State 6pm ESPN3
Milwaukee at Northern Kentucky 6pm ESPN3
Other things that go bump in the night...
South Carolina Upstate at North Florida 6:00pm ESPN3 - (Dallas Moore is 3 points behind Alec for Active Career Points leader)
Vanderbryce at Missouri on SECNetwork 2:30pm
Crown Point scored 4 points in the last 5 seconds of the game on two separate baskets to beat Valpo High 53-51... with a week to go, the DAC title is up for grabs.
Opening Saturday ...#73 0.5619
The early results are in...a win, a loss and a push...
Kentucky 67 Alabama 58 - push
Indiana State 84 Drake 60 - Finally... an OOC opponent wins
Utah Valley 87 Chicago State 54
and the RPI keeps on its trend... #74 0.5619 as of 4:20pm.. no points lost/gained, but we fell one spot in the rankings.
Its been an impressive run the last few years.
https://twitter.com/anthonyf18/status/830171103280640002
The Tough and Great of Wright State knock off the Rising (Sinking) Phoenix 88-79.
QuoteThe Tough and Great of Wright State knock off the Rising (Sinking) Phoenix 88-79.
http://37.media.tumblr.com/184fd4c73064ebc2cc0f9d8f6870cd88/tumblr_n44u4xaKw41r8rg3jo4_r3_250.gif
So many touch fouls.
Wish it was at least consistent from week to week. One game looks like hockey, and then the next is called like a parent shaperoning a 7th grade dance.
Opening Saturday ...#73 0.5619
Kentucky 67 Alabama 58 - push
Indiana State 84 Drake 60 - Finally... an OOC opponent wins
Utah Valley 87 Chicago State 54
Montana State 83 Southern Utah 78
Coppin State 76 Bethune Cookman 72
HL
Wright Lean Mean Fighting Machine 88 Green Bay Phizzling Phoenix 79
Northern Kentucky 69 Milwaukee 63
Cleveland State 66 UIC no baskets in last 5+ minutes 63 (made a few free throws)
and the RPI keeps on its trend... #74 0.5619 as of 4:20pm...and as of 10:10pm, #74 0.5608, down another .0011 with the Ducks and the Broncos up big early and BYU just underway.
and the RPI keeps on its trend...
#74 0.5619 as of 4:20pm
#74 0.5608 as of 10:10pm
#74 0.5611 as of 10:55pm BYU and Oregon yet to finish. Santa Clara's win gave us the .0003 points
Opening Saturday ...#73 0.5619
Kentucky 67 Alabama 58 - push
Indiana State 84 Drake 60 - Finally... an OOC opponent wins
Utah Valley 87 Chicago State 54
Montana State 83 Southern Utah 78
Coppin State 76 Bethune Cookman 72
Oregon 81 USC 70 - Moving the Duck's RPI to 7
BYU 68 San Francisco 52 - Moving the Cougars RPI to 88
Santa Clara 64 Pacific 47 - Moving the Broncos RPI to 130
HL
Wright Lean Mean Fighting Machine 88 Green Bay Phizzling Phoenix 79
DAYTON, Ohio -- Justin Mitchell had 14 points, 11 rebounds and a career-best 10 assists, and Wright State cruised in the second half for an 88-79 victory over Green Bay on Saturday night. It was the third triple-double in program history for Wright State (17-9, 8-5 Horizon League).
Northern Kentucky 69 Milwaukee 63
HIGHLAND HEIGHTS, Ky. -- Lavone Holland II had 21 points, four assists and four steals, and Northern Kentucky used a big second-half run to beat Milwaukee 69-63 on Saturday. Jeremiah Bell gave Milwaukee a 54-41 lead with 8:30 to go but Northern Kentucky went on a 27-4 run to take a 68-58 lead. Holland scored 14 points during the run in which six different NKU players scored. Bell had a basket at the six-minute mark and UWM didn't score again until Cody Wichmann's 3 with 23 seconds left.
Cleveland State 66 UIC 63 (Flames had no field goals in last, 5:54 made a few free throws)
and the RPI keeps on its trend...
#74 0.5619 as of 4:20pm
#74 0.5608 as of 10:10pm
#74 0.5611 as of 10:55pm
#73 0.5617 as of 7:45am
so we open Sunday #73 0.5617
saved by the west coasters coming through
Sunday's Schedule:
Northern Iowa at Missouri State 4pm on ESPN3
Monday's Schedule:
Delaware State at Coppin State
Tuesday's Schedule:
Tennessee at Kentucky
Ball State at Northern Illinois
Wednesday's Schedule:
Fordham at Rhode Island
Indiana State at Loyola
Alabama at Missouri
Illinois State at Missouri State
Thursday's Schedule:
[North Florida at Lipscomb as Dallas Moore looks add to his career points lead over AP, 6pm ESPN3]
Northern Kentucky at Cleveland State
Wright State at Youngstown State
Utah at Oregon (ESPN)
Pepperdine at Santa Clara
San Diego at BYU (ESPNU)
Friday's Schedule:
UIC at Detroit
Valpo at Oakland 6pm, ESPN2
so we open Sunday #73 0.5617
Sunday's Schedule:
Northern Iowa 55 Missouri State 52 Thank you Bears... for nothing.
So we open Monday: #76 0.5611
Monday's Schedule:
Coppin State 83 Delaware State 75
So we end Monday: #73 0.5617 Thank you Eagles!
(Baylor goes down by 6 at Texas Tech)
(Kansas comes from 14 down with 2:45 to play to beat Huggy in OT)
We open Tuesday: #73 0.5617
Tuesday's Schedule:
Kentucky 83 Tennessee 58 sweet revenge
Ball State 81 Northern Illinois 72
making for a nice jump: #69 0.5620 yet only a gain of .0003
OOC OPP helped us here... and the chance at a 4-game sweep on Wednesday would be nice.
making for a nice jump: #69 0.5620 yet only a gain of .0003
OOC OPP helped us here... and the chance at a 4-game sweep on Wednesday would be nice.
Well, it's amazing what can happen when I actually think a 4-game sweep is possible...This is why I don't go to casinos.
Wednesday's Schedule:
Fordham at Rhode Island - Rhody scores 21 in the first half and 22 in the second half...Jovantae Hawkins scored 20 points and added nine rebounds and Fordham earned a 53-43 win
Indiana State at Loyola - Syc's score 20 in the first half and 26 in the second half...Leading 24-20 at the half, the Ramblers made 6 of 10 3-pointers and shot 56 percent (14 of 25) in the second half.
Alabama at Missouri - Tide STOLE this one...With just under five minutes remaining, the ball appeared to go out of bounds off Ingram, but was ruled last touched by Missouri, inciting boos from the home crowd. Following that call, Alabama hit back-to-back 3-pointers on the ensuing possessions and never surrendered the lead. Ref BLEW that call big time. 57-54 Tide.
Illinois State at Missouri State - Bears hold Illinois state scoreless over the last 1:50 of the game, but could only score 4 themselves, losing 67-66
so... the OOC OPP go 1-3, and got lucky to get that 1...
Valpo Opens play on Thursday: #70 0.5610... dropping .0010 and one place in the rankings.
Thursday Action:... be fun if all of the Home Teams won.
Northern Kentucky at Cleveland State 6:45pm - Nolan line has the Vikings favored by 1
Wright State at Youngstown State 6:45pm - Nolan line has the Raiders favored by 5
Utah at Oregon 8pm ESPN - Nolan line has the Ducks favored by 9.5
Pepperdine at Santa Clara 9pm - Nolan line has the Broncos favored by 9
San Diego at BYU 10pm ESPNU - Nolan line has the Cougars favored by 16.5
and you can track the Dallas Moore point total ... going into the weekend, Moore is 1 point ahead of Alec for the career total points lead...
North Florida Ospreys at Lipscomb at 6:30 on E3
Moore had 39 tonight for North Florida. Saw a note that last month he scored 23 points in 4:14 ! He's now ahead of AP by 40 for career points.
Valpo Opened play on Thursday: #70 0.5610. so the first two games, went to the visitors... (Nice trend in the HL)
Northern Kentucky at Cleveland State - Nolan line has the Vikings favored by 1 - Drew McDonald scored Northern Kentucky's final 11 points and finished with 13 points and 13 rebounds in a 62-60 win over Cleveland State on Thursday night.
Wright State at Youngstown State 6:45pm - Nolan line has the Raiders favored by 5 - Mark Alstork scored 33 points, including two pivotal free throws in the final 30 seconds, and
Wright State held off Youngstown State 84-81 on Thursday night.
and the home teams help us out on the coast Thursday night
Utah at Oregon 8pm ESPN - Nolan line has the Ducks favored by 9.5 - Dillon Brooks scored 20 points and No. 7 Oregon defeated shorthanded Utah 79-61 on Thursday night to extend the Ducks' home winning streak to 41 games.
Pepperdine at Santa Clara 9pm - Nolan line has the Broncos favored by 9...Nate Kratch had a career-high 32 points on 13-of-16 shooting and Santa Clara set a school record with 22 3-pointers to beat Pepperdine 106-55 on Thursday night.
San Diego at BYU 10pm ESPNU - Nolan line has the Cougars favored by 16.5 - Nick Emery scored 26 points, four other players scored in double figures and BYU defeated San Diego 82-70 on Thursday night.
the RPI winds up Thursday night #72 0.5612... dropping two places in the rankings and dropping 2/10,000ths of a point
Friday Games:
UIC at Detroit, 6pm on E3, a Pick-em game with a very high over/under at 169
Valpo at Oakland, 6pm on E2, Vegas has the Grizz favored by 1.5 (up from 1 earlier this morning) with an OU of 147
no OOC OPP playing tonight...
What's our worst loss?
Oakland 140
Green Bay 137
Santa Clara 131
Kentucky 10
Oregon 6
What's our best win?
Rhode Island 61
Alabama 69
BYU 88
Wright State 119
Northern Kentucky 124
we have jumped up to being 14-0 against 200-and-worse ranked teams; with two more to play.
so, I've been off-line since Friday... The "Lines" listed below are from the Warren Nolan site...
Sunday Scores:
Grizzzzzz 87 UIC 75
SIU 74 Indiana State 68
Leaving Valpo with the RPI of #72 ~~ 0.5599
Monday's Games:
Savannah State favored at home by 13 over Coppin State
Tuesday's Games:
LaSalle favored at home by 1 over Rhode Island
Ball State favored at home by 7 over Eastern Michigan
Detroit-Mercy favored at home by 4 over Cleveland State
Northern Kentucky favored at home by 9 over Wright State
Oakland favored at home by 21 over Youngstown State
UIC Favored at home by 5 over Green Bay (Really?)
[Valpo favored by 21 over UWM)
Kentucky favored by 12 at Missouri
Wednesday's games
Indiana State favored at home by 7 over Northern Iowa
Missouri State favored on the road by 1 over Bradley
California is favored at home by 1 over Oregon
Thursday
Alabama favored by 8 at home over Georgia
Portland State favored by 19 at home over Southern Utah
Grand Canyon favored by 26 at home over Chicago State
BYU favored by 11.5 at home over Portland
Santa Clara favored by 15 at home over Pacific
(North Florida favored by 5 at home over Jacksonville - Dallas Moore's last reg-season game)
Friday
Green Bay favored by 3 at home over Oakland
Northern Kentucky favored by 12 at home over UIC
Wright State favored by 3 at home over Valpo
Milwaukee favored by 2 at home over Detroit-Mercy
What's our worst loss? - Updated
Santa Clara 149
Green Bay 133
Oakland 121
Kentucky 9
Oregon 7
What's our best win?
Rhode Island 51
Alabama 74
BYU 94
Wright State 117
Northern Kentucky 129
we have jumped up to being 14-0 against 200-and-worse ranked teams; with two more to play.... we stayed there after beating UDM, because Ball State climbed to #194
Opening Monday, the RPI #72 ~~ 0.5599
Monday's Games:
Savannah State favored at home by 13 over Coppin State - Not so much. In OT, Coppin State 84-83.
Causing the RPI to climb to #71 ~~0.5605
Opening Tuesday at #71 ~~0.5605
Tuesday's Games:
Rhode Island 67 LaSalle 56 (upset)
Ball State 79 Eastern Michigan 72 (right on the spreadline)
Detroit-Mercy 91 Cleveland State 83
Northern Kentucky 83 Wright State 76
Oakland 101 Youngstown State 72
Green Bay 87 UIC 79
Kentucky 72 Missouri 62
so... all of the OOC OPP came out with a win.. Valpo won, taking the home winning streak to 8. We've played all of the HL teams twice except the two teams playing each other tonight, WSU / NKY
and the RPI ...FALLS... Nothing like playing a team ranked #269 to make that happen.
#72 ~~ 0.5590 down .0015
Opening Wednesday...#72 ~~ 0.5590
Wednesday's games
Indiana State 69 Northern Iowa 59
Bradley 77 Missouri State 68
Oregon 68 Brooks for 3! California 65
the OOC OPP go 2-1 on the evening... and it looks like the four games for the OOC OPP on Thursday will result in a 3-2 split...
the Ending Wednesday night.. #72 0.5592; up a whopping .0002
Thursday opening: #72 0.5592
Georgia 60 Alabama 55
Portland State 93 Southern Utah 86
Grand Canyon 82 Chicago State 59
BYU 97 Portland 78
Santa Clara 69 Pacific 68
so, the OOC OPP go 2-3 on the night with Oakland's-Mediocre-SEC team beating our-Mediocre-SEC team for a nice road win.
when it's all done... Valpo's Thursday closing RPI... #71 ~~0.5590... down .0002 but up one ranking level.
No OOC OPP games on Friday...
BYU-Zags is a good game right now. Under 8, BYU up 1.
Gonzaga fans chanting NIT as BYU celebrates the big win. Lol. Not sure how RPIs work but I have to think this can't hurt Valpo's.
so this makes us #1 since we beat byu.
Don't forget that rhode island beat Vcu. That should help as well.
Holy cow. Wright State ran UIC out of the building 87-49. jeez have some pride. Leaving Dayton with their tail between their legs.
UIC has a had tough season losing Dixson but any other coach with that amount of talent on that roster would be having much more success if they weren't coached by McClain. He's a prolific recruiter but not a great coach.
Makes what we did w/o AP that much sweeter.
so... who's still playing?
#6 Oregon (28-4) in the PAC-12 Championship game in Vegas against Arizona.
#5 Kentucky (27-5) in the SEC Semi Finals against ...Bama
#79 Alabama (19-13) in the SEC Semi Finals against...BBN
#40 Rhode Island (22-9) in the A-10/14 Semi Finals in Pittsburgh against Davidson
and the RPIs of the rest of the Schedule...
Southern Utah - 341 (4-27)
Coppin State - 336 (7-23)
BYU - 65 (22-11)
Ball State - 164 (20-12)
Missouri State - 209 (16-16)
Indiana State - 233 (10-20).. Beat Butler, but that's beside the point)
Santa Clara - 127 (16-16)
Chicago State 9 219 (3-26)
HL:
Valpo 72
Northern Kentucky 88
Oakland 112
Wright State 117
Green Bay 157
UIC 250
Youngstown State 252
Milwaukee 258
Cleveland State 262
Detroit 288
HL Non-Conference Strength of Schedule:
Cleveland State 38 (Kentucky, Purdue; 0-7 against T-100)
Valpo 118 (4-3 against T-100)
Wright State 123 (1-6 against T-100... that one would be us)
Detroit 131 (0-7 against T-100)
Milwaukee 146 (2-6 against T-100)
Northern Kentucky 209 (1-3 against T-100... that one would be us)
Green Bay 270 (2-4 against T-100.. Game with #60 Belmont was canceled)
Oakland 274 (5-2 against T-100)
Youngstown State 282 (2-6 against T-100, Akron and NoKy)
UIC 328 (0-5 against T-100, 1-14 against T-200)