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Started by VU2014, March 10, 2017, 11:44:13 AM

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VUGrad1314

WAC considering starting FCS Football. They're conducting a feasibility study on it. This could touch off a pretty significant round of realignment that may affect many low and mid major conferences. This would most likely  primarily affect the Southland Big Sky and perhaps the Summit League if it happens but you have to wonder if the more established\higher potential basketball programs want to share a conference with a bunch of startups. This could get the attention of leagues like the WCC MVC SL and HL if the top schools bolt.

crusader05


IrishDawg

Quote from: crusader05 on November 01, 2018, 11:04:23 AM
https://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2018/10/31/mike-woodbury-prep-school-outburst-player/

fascinating and depressing article about prep schools and international recruitment

I get that Rob Dauster (who was really upset that the defendants in the Adidas scandal were found guilty) is making a loose connection between the Rice Commission's suggestion and adoption of the NCAA to give schools more power in the recruitment vs. AAU coaches by sponsoring camps, but don't think that AAU coaches can't impact a player's recruitment negatively or can be vindictive crapbags.  There is also no way that the NCAA (which isn't equipped to even monitor all schools at the collegiate level) can be expected to reasonably be able to closely monitor all of the prep schools around the country as well once they've passed their initial inspections.

The issue in this story isn't the NCAA, it's this d-hole coach who likes to bully himself into feeling important over younger players (because it's not just foreign players who can get hosed in this experience), and the schools themselves, which are often are run by people committing fraud and stealing money from these families.  There have also been stories in the past in which the NCAA gets blamed because a student goes to a prep school which hasn't been approved under the guise that they will be, and then it's the NCAA's fault for not granting the player their eligibility (Emmanuel Mudiay).

This story is yet another horrifying example of how unqualified cowards somehow are placed in charge of developing young people in their formative years and the bad things that can result from that.  I sincerely hope this guy is fired and never given another coaching job again.


crusadermoe

Does this preclude a challenge match for the MVC against either one?   Seems like it.   But maybe doing multiple challenges would help all of these conferences. 

VU2014

Quote from: crusadermoe on November 04, 2018, 02:47:34 PM
Does this preclude a challenge match for the MVC against either one?   Seems like it.   But maybe doing multiple challenges would help all of these conferences. 

I'm getting that sense but I agree that a Challenge between all 3 of the Conferences would make sense with the Power 5 tightening up their non-conference schedule. There is less opportunities for quality OOC games so we need to start playing each other more. They can't view it as a bracket buster scenario. The Committee should also be giving more respect to caliber of these conferences.


valporun

Quote from: VU2014 on November 04, 2018, 05:21:54 PM
https://twitter.com/JohnGasaway/status/1058901630119305216?s=20

From here on out...it's NOTHING BUT NET to the NCAA!! (Unless the number of zeros are 6 or greater on the check.)

VUGrad1314



VUCPB alum

I know that wins are being vacated but how are losses effected? It would be disappointing for 2 BYU losses to be discarded from the budding "Lutherans vs. Mormons" rivalry.

VUGrad1314

I believe only their wins are affected. Their losses stand.

VUGrad1314

I know there's a long time between now and our game in College Station but maybe we've got a shot at stealing one:

UC-Irvine 74    Texas A&M 73

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/game?gameId=401084854

IrishDawg

Quote from: VUGrad1314 on November 10, 2018, 12:06:48 AM
I know there's a long time between now and our game in College Station but maybe we've got a shot at stealing one:

UC-Irvine 74    Texas A&M 73

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/game?gameId=401084854

Buffalo also beat West Virginia at West Virginia last night 99-94

EddieCabot

Quote from: IrishDawg on November 10, 2018, 04:54:09 AM
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on November 10, 2018, 12:06:48 AM
I know there's a long time between now and our game in College Station but maybe we've got a shot at stealing one:

UC-Irvine 74    Texas A&M 73

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/game?gameId=401084854

Buffalo also beat West Virginia at West Virginia last night 99-94

WVU, A&M and GW all racking up early losses can't be good for Valpo's SOS. 

FieldGoodie05

Quote from: EddieCabot on November 10, 2018, 08:47:55 AM
Quote from: IrishDawg on November 10, 2018, 04:54:09 AM
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on November 10, 2018, 12:06:48 AM
I know there's a long time between now and our game in College Station but maybe we've got a shot at stealing one:

UC-Irvine 74    Texas A&M 73

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/game?gameId=401084854

Buffalo also beat West Virginia at West Virginia last night 99-94

WVU, A&M and GW all racking up early losses can't be good for Valpo's SOS.

You're likely right, but not sure it matters this year.

VU2014

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IrishDawg

Quote from: VUGrad1314 on November 15, 2018, 02:48:17 AM
Great field for Bradley...

https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1062812401718960131

Kansas State and Northwestern are both losing a lot after this year.  It's not a bad field, but I would be surprised if either of those teams make the tournament next season.

bbtds

Quote from: VUGrad1314 on November 09, 2018, 08:10:12 PM
I believe only their wins are affected. Their losses stand.

Exactly. Valpo still earned their wins despite the opposition team cheating. Could you imagine how fast that rule would end due to high major teams objections if it were the rule that winning teams lost their wins when the losing team was caught cheating.

VU2014

#820
First 2 game win streak in over 20 years... Let that sink in... :-X

https://twitter.com/TheMacIrvinFire/status/1068991701690273792

Both came against Non-D1s.

https://twitter.com/ChiStateCougars/status/1069048577136185345

oklahomamick

hate to be a debbie downer....but those aren't D1 schools they beat.
CRUSADERS!!!

tiny707

Badgers with a big win over Iowa.

historyman

I believe the only thing the NCAA can do that would ultimately be fair to all levels of teams is to expand the Big Dance field. If it truly can be argued every year that 4-6 mid-majors and 1 or 2 high-majors are being left out then expand the field by 8 - 10 teams for a total of 76 to 78 teams. That adds fun to the bracket challenges and costs very little to the NCAA in booking an additional sight. The additional sight must be like Dayton where they are middle of the country and the city has many fans that would love attending games of any college teams that earned their spot in the tournament, i.e. Indy, Louisville, St. Louis, slightly smaller cities near those bigger cities, etc.
"We must stand aside from the world's conspiracy of fear and hate and grasp once more the great monosyllables of life: faith, hope, and love. Men must live by these if they live at all under the crushing weight of history." Otto Paul "John" Kretzmann

VU2014