Shake it off and let's go 2-1 on Senior Nights.
Pretty much everything we wanted before Wednesday night is still on the table, with the exception of having the most wins in school history before the postseason (nice but not that great) and the possible exception of an at-large bid (because that wasn't a great chance to begin with).
I say we come out sharp, eager to get the upper hand. CSU won't be able to match at first--being from The Cleve, they always come out Flats.
Easy stuff: win the next 3 games. Only one on the road, the next two at home.
I agree. I feel good about this game. We match up well with CSU.
I don't see us recovering from tonight's disappointment, and on 48 hours' rest, we have tired legs. We blew an excellent opportunity, and unfortunately end up in the NIT, since we won't have the home-court advantage in the conference tourney:
CSU 71
Valpo 65
We'll, we're definitely going to have to shoot better. Alec 3-11, Derrick 6-15, Tevonn 1-5, EVN 0-2 including a 3 pt air ball that didn't come within 2 ft. of the rim, Fernandez 1-3. 2nd game in a row that Tevonn has really struggled after winning FOW. How many shots did we have blocked at rim because nobody will ball fake?
Bryce was quoted as saying they need to get back to the way they were playing earlier in the conference. Sadly, they have 1 day to figure it out, or we will go from hosting the tournament with a great chance of representing the HL in the tournament to playing on someone else's court as an underdog. What a shame it would be that all the work over all this time to put them in a position to have one of the most memorable seasons in Valpo history could all disappear essentially overnight. Like it or not, this game will determine the storyline for this entire season. CSU is a much better team than Detroit...
I just realized that in my rambling I have completely reversed my optimistic position of only few hours ago. I think they call this manic depression. ;)
Quote from: wh on February 26, 2015, 04:20:25 AMAlec 3-11, Derrick 6-15, Tevonn 1-5, EVN 0-2...............I just realized that in my rambling I have completely reversed my optimistic position of only few hours ago. I think they call this manic depression.
AND replaced Walker with Smits! ;)
No way we win this game, we needed the one at Detroit. CSU by 7.
I worry about us at Cleveland State. It seems that we have a hard time shooting in their arena. Perhaps it has something to do with the mural of the fans behind the basket (and often there are more fans in the mural than in the seats).
The way I see it is that essentially, Valpo's regular season ended yesterday. The HL tournament starts tomorrow night in Cleveland, with the winner going into the "winner's bracket" for the remainder of the tournament.
It will be interesting to see how both teams respond coming off throw away games. Normally I would be worried about 48 hours rest, but does anyone really think VU left it all on the floor last night at Detroit? I think we'll still have some legs. Four days rest didn't do a damn bit of good for us. Maybe it won't do a thing for them either. Should be a great game.
I feel like Valpo has been holding back on offense not wanting to show much, at least I hope that is what is going on and its not that everyone is figuring us out.
Valpo spoils $1 beer $1 taco night at Cleveland and wins in a romp, 75-60
While we only had 10 turnovers, we had so many stupid fouls on defense that did us in. Jubril is fouling at Kenyon Martin-like levels. We could have easily had more than 10 turnovers as a couple of times the ball was rolling around on the floor and we came back up with it.
Win tomorrow night and yesterday doesn't matter. I'm happy that we have such a quick turnaround, I'm sure the way the game ended will be in their minds knowing they should've forced OT. This is a big game, sucks we have to play two teams on their senior night, but that's just the luck of the draw sometimes. Win tomorrow, we are 13-3, 26-5 in the regular season and host the tournament. We are still in a great spot and control our own destiny.
I'm hoping the offense comes alive and puts up 75+ on a stingy Viking defense.
Quote from: classof2014 on February 26, 2015, 08:18:10 AM
Win tomorrow night and yesterday doesn't matter. I'm happy that we have such a quick turnaround, I'm sure the way the game ended will be in their minds knowing they should've forced OT. This is a big game, sucks we have to play two teams on their senior night, but that's just the luck of the draw sometimes. Win tomorrow, we are 13-3, 26-5 in the regular season and host the tournament. We are still in a great spot and control our own destiny.
+++
I agree. CSU may be ready for the team that showed up last night, but not for the Valparaiso team that shows up tomorrow!
Valpo 65
CSU 59
1. Attack the rim with your guards on drives and have guards attack offensive glass. Forces us to leave guards home and limits those guards getting out on the stretch passes for transition hoops.
2. Power into Vashil. Keep him from being effective at blocking shots and may get him in foul trouble.
3. Double Alec/focus on limiting him. We have to be better swinging the ball. Too many times in 2d half we were slow or tentative to swing to opposite side away from double and where players were wide open.
4. Play physical when Valpo drives to the hoop forcing the refs to determine whether they're going to call everything
These have been keys to beating us. In losses to Mizzu and UNM, we were outrebounded. In losses to Oakland and Detroit, FTs harmed us, particularly on drives by guards. Of late, teams are forcing the O to go through others.
Vashiel has averaged 21 M/G for the last 4 games, down from 29 in the previous 7. Would someone please explain why our starting center and #1 shot blocker and intimidator has gone from playing 3-quarters of the game to half the game in favor of an undersized backup who isn't a bigger scoring threat than Vashiel? Bryce says we need to get back to playing like we were earlier in the conference season. So, how about starting by keeping the best defensive center in the league on the court for 30 min. minimum? And, as already been mentioned get our premier point guard back in the starting lineup and let him run the offense for 25 minutes.
Quote from: wh on February 26, 2015, 10:12:42 AM
Vashiel has averaged 21 M/G for the last 4 games, down from 29 in the previous 7. Would someone please explain why our starting center and #1 shot blocker and intimidator has gone from playing 3-quarters of the game to half the game in favor of an undersized backup who isn't a bigger scoring threat than Vashiel? Bryce says we need to get back to playing like we were earlier in the conference season. So, how about starting by keeping the best defensive center in the league on the court for 30 min. minimum? And, as already been mentioned get our premier point guard back in the starting lineup and let him run the offense for 25 minutes.
100% agreed. We can't have Nickerson and Jubril playing 20+ minutes each when they were having awful games. They were absolutely terrible last night.
Quote from: wh on February 26, 2015, 10:12:42 AM
Vashiel has averaged 21 M/G for the last 4 games, down from 29 in the previous 7. Would someone please explain why our starting center and #1 shot blocker and intimidator has gone from playing 3-quarters of the game to half the game in favor of an undersized backup who isn't a bigger scoring threat than Vashiel? Bryce says we need to get back to playing like we were earlier in the conference season. So, how about starting by keeping the best defensive center in the league on the court for 30 min. minimum? And, as already been mentioned get our premier point guard back in the starting lineup and let him run the offense for 25 minutes.
It's my earlier rant about wasting a player because of worries about fouls. Some coaching book somewhere tried to teach everyone when to auto-bench someone and it really is as outdated thinking for the game as high sox and short shorts.
I didn't get to watch much of the game, but it sounds to me like a classic "playing not to lose" performance by the Crusaders.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 26, 2015, 11:21:41 AM
Quote from: wh on February 26, 2015, 10:12:42 AM
Vashiel has averaged 21 M/G for the last 4 games, down from 29 in the previous 7. Would someone please explain why our starting center and #1 shot blocker and intimidator has gone from playing 3-quarters of the game to half the game in favor of an undersized backup who isn't a bigger scoring threat than Vashiel? Bryce says we need to get back to playing like we were earlier in the conference season. So, how about starting by keeping the best defensive center in the league on the court for 30 min. minimum? And, as already been mentioned get our premier point guard back in the starting lineup and let him run the offense for 25 minutes.
It's my earlier rant about wasting a player because of worries about fouls. Some coaching book somewhere tried to teach everyone when to auto-bench someone and it really is as outdated thinking for the game as high sox and short shorts.
Indeed, he was picking up fouls at a "faster than ideal" rate. And, contrary to some games, he was out playing with 4 fouls with 3-4 minutes to go.
Adekoya also had 4, I think?
Is part of the logic that you want to be able to mix up defenses? To keep the opponents from getting comfortable? So, if you're concerned your shot blocker is going to foul out, better to have him foul out relatively late, so you can maximize the number of times the defense switches?
Vashil picked up his 4th with about 7:30 to play... and Jubril picked up his 4th with about 6:30 to play.
If we don't have the energy to recover quickly for a game like this (which we certainly did not have against Detroit), we're one-and-done wherever we end up. I don't have a good feeling about the end of this season.
People are definitely overreacting to a 3 point loss, on the road, on senior night. Right now we're 25-5 and still control our own destiny. Cleveland St is beatable, we've done it already. It definitely seemed like the Crusaders were holding back yesterday. Why? I don't know but that's what it seemed like. Detroit is better than their record shows, it sucks to lose and force a must-win game in Cleveland. This team has rebounded well after losses, after our tough loss in Green Bay, we came out and absolutely destroyed an okay Milwaukee team.
It is senior night once again but that might be nullified a bit because its such a big game anyways for both teams. A loss tomorrow wouldn't shock me, hopeful we win and I think we will but Cleveland is very strong and has beaten everybody except Valpo.
Hopefully we come out on fire and jump out to a big lead that we never come close to relinquishing. If we win the Detroit game is nothing but a distant memory.
Valpo 72 Cleveland 59
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 26, 2015, 11:21:41 AMreally is as outdated thinking for the game as high sox and short shorts.
high sox and short shorts are outdated? Oh, crud!
The Valpo team last night showed characteristics we haven't seen all season long. But...they are characteristics we've seen in previous Valpo teams. This team has been amazing all season long. At times, it's looked like we might making "the next step". This game will prove whether we have taken "the next step" or if its another typical Valpo team.
We got killed last night in the paint. Hogan, a physical player, had his way with us. For whatever reason we couldn't rebound. Our offense just wasn't clicking. Hopefully it' was just one off night.
Before the UDM game I was looking at the fact that we play two road senior night games. Not sure if anyone at HL monitors this, but it seemed unfair that we played two this season. I looked up the schedule for this season and WSU, MIL and our team all will play two road senior nights this year, with YSU, CSU and Oak playing one road senior night game. GB, UIC and Det were lucky this year. I'm sure that over time this will even out, but it didn't seem fair.
I'm looking at the start time for tomorrow's game - is it really starting at 10 PM local (Cleveland) time?
Cleveland St. has already had their Senior Night, or Day as it was for them. Their last home game against UIC on a Sunday afternoon served as their Senior Day. Makes sense really. Take that little bit of distraction out of a potentially big matchup. Plus with the game being at 10 PM ET, I imagine it wouldn't be ideal for any families with young children, etc.
You usually schedule a bad team for senior night so the post-game ceremony doesn't get too awkward.
Ideal for families? This is CSU, no one attends. They are having $1 beer and $1 tacos as their "Hoopy Hour" pregame. Gates open at 8:30 pm. So the few students who attend will clearly have pre-gamed. The general public in C-town has 0 to no interest in the Vikings. It's sad. Akron-Clev may be the worst college hoops area in the country -- decent teams but minimal interest. The MAC tourney does well here but otherwise...
Anyways, should be a decent Valpo contingent (alumni and friends event) and there will be an area for the Valpo contingent at the Hoopy Hour. Any of you Board folks find me and I'll buy you a $1 beer. At least it's not 10cent beer night like the Indians at Cleveland Muni Stadium. BTW our luck in the W(olstein) has not been good.
Quote from: valpo84 on February 26, 2015, 01:16:49 PMAny of you Board folks find me and I'll buy you a $1 beer.
How about I send you money for a six pack, and you can buy me a six pack this summer!
I don't think I have ever heard of a game starting at 10 pm. 6:30 in the morning, yes, but not at 10 at night. This has to be some concession to ESPN to get the game. Heck, I'll have to stay up past 11 to watch it!! :(
Quote from: vu72 on February 26, 2015, 02:01:54 PMHeck, I'll have to stay up past 11 to watch it!!
You're not the only one, you know. Us fans in the ET zone will probably be up way past midnight! On a Friday! :o
Bryce noted in the WSU postgame that there was a lot going on in reference to senior night activities and distractions related to. I have always wondered if other schools have both pre and postgame activities. The preface stuff would seem to be a huge distraction and disruption of the norm. They introduce the players, cheerleaders, etc. bring them and family members out to center court, present framed jerseys, on and on. Then after the game they bring the players back out, let the players and managers address the croud, Bryce has a group prayer, etc. it's all great stuff but it could all be condensed into a postgame time by eliminating all the redundancy.
Perhaps that 10 pm ET tipoff will be an advantage for Valpo. It'll only feel like 9 and by the time the game ends it won't feel like after midnight. Not a large advantage but if it is a one-possession game perhaps something small like that can have a difference in fatigue towards the end.
Quote from: valpo84 on February 26, 2015, 01:16:49 PM
Ideal for families? This is CSU, no one attends.
For a Senior Night/Day, typically more family members of the seniors attend the game. It doesn't matter what city or state you are in, or who you play for.
Here's the ESPN-U TV schedule for Friday night....
5pm (6ET) game is Siena @ Quinnipiac
7pm (8ET) game is Ohio @ Akron
9pm (10ET) game is Valpo at Cleveland State... so you can actually count on this being "Joined in Progress"... expect it to start on ESPN-News....
and the ESPN.GO.COM site has CSU as a 2.0 pt favorite.
RealtimeRPI has us winning 68-67
Quote from: classof2014 on February 26, 2015, 02:29:22 PM
Perhaps that 10 pm ET tipoff will be an advantage for Valpo. It'll only feel like 9 and by the time the game ends it won't feel like after midnight. Not a large advantage but if it is a one-possession game perhaps something small like that can have a difference in fatigue towards the end.
Yeah, right.
Wishful thinking.
will CSU draw a crowd for a 10pm tip?...
Reported Crowds for CSU games
UIC 2/15 2,471 - Sunday Afternoon
WSU 2/7 2,733 - Saturday 2pm start
YSU 2/4 1,731 - Wednesday Night
GB 1/31 3,625 - Saturday 2pm start
DET 1/23 2,803 - Friday Night (6pm CT, 7pm ET Start time)
OAK 1/8 1,593 - Thursday Night
Quote from: covufan on February 26, 2015, 12:01:58 PMhigh sox and short shorts are outdated? Oh, crud!
(http://www.slamonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/ShortShorts.jpg)
come back soon
I'm still shaking my head about last night. We thought we were destined to play CSU at their place for all the marbles. Then a totally unexpected gift was laid in our laps, completely out of the blue - the opportunity to close out a game early against a lesser opponent, rendering the do-or-die CSU game meaningless. Things like that seem to fall that way for teams of destiny, and I took it as confirmation that we were exactly that. But even teams of destiny have to close the deal, and we couldn't find a way.
Now Cleveland State believes they are the team of destiny. Their narrative begins with the bitter disappointment they felt when they unexpectedly lost to a lesser opponent and in turn lost control of their destiny. Hopes and dreams of a storybook ending by winning the conference championship, on their home court, in the final game of the regular season, on national TV - all shattered. Hosting the conference tournament for the very first time - down the drain. So, they sit around the TV last night to see their fate decided by their chief adversary - still holding out hope, but only a glimmer. But then the unexpected happens, as it does for teams of destiny. Valpo loses! Coach Waters gathers everyone around and says in a serious voice, "Gentlemen, we have been resurrected from the dead and given new life. This is meant to be. We ARE a team of destiny. We WILL win tomorrow night and we WILL win the tournament. This is OUR year. I expect tomorrow will be the best game we have ever played. Are you with me? Applause breaks out. He repeats in a booming voice, "I said ARE - YOU - WITH ME?!" The room erupts!
So, how will this story end? Who will be the team of destiny?
apparently
paul oren : kampe :: wh : gary frickin' waters
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 26, 2015, 07:31:10 PM
apparently
paul oren : kampe :: wh : gary frickin' waters
Yep, GW and I have always been pretty close, although I've never been invited to stroke his hair. ;)
$1 beer $1 tacos tomorrow night they will have a crowd!
Didn't the Indians do the dollar beer thing and it went horribly wrong or am I thinking of a different MlB team?
The Indians did $.10 Beer Night.
Quote from: wh on February 26, 2015, 06:21:25 PMCoach Waters gathers everyone around and says in a serious voice, "Gentlemen, we have been resurrected from the dead and given new life. This is meant to be. We ARE a team of destiny. We WILL win tomorrow night and we WILL win the tournament. This is OUR year. I expect tomorrow will be the best game we have ever played. Are you with me? Applause breaks out. He repeats in a booming voice, "I said ARE - YOU - WITH ME?!" The room erupts!
seriously this is like borderline fanfic here
amirite guys
Don't fret, boys. VU is gonna win this game.
Paul
Valpo wins by 5
$.10 a beer that's pretty much $1 nowadays
$1 beer night sounds like an awesome/awful idea. Wish the ARC sold beer.
Also off topic but... ???
(http://i.imgur.com/dUZpbdB.jpg)
Quote from: talksalot on February 26, 2015, 02:52:57 PM
Reported Crowds for CSU games
UIC 2/15 2,471 - Sunday Afternoon
WSU 2/7 2,733 - Saturday 2pm start
YSU 2/4 1,731 - Wednesday Night
GB 1/31 3,625 - Saturday 2pm start
DET 1/23 2,803 - Friday Night (6pm CT, 7pm ET Start time)
OAK 1/8 1,593 - Thursday Night
In a 13000 seat arena it feels much less, even with the top sections curtained off.
Vegas has us as a 3 point underdog. I don't remember the last time Vegas gave us points.
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 27, 2015, 09:20:03 AM
Vegas has us as a 3 point underdog. I don't remember the last time Vegas gave us points.
Most recently? Probably about a month ago, Valpo @ UWGB.
I think we were a vegas dog against Murray St and Mizzou this season too.
correct, we were underdogs to Missouri and at UWGB. UWGB was only 1.5. We need to win this game.
GB has a slightly better chance with CSU being the host, since their atmosphere at the ARC would be less intimidating.
I'll take my chances with GB in Cleveland (fewer and less engaged fans in a cavernous arena) versus playing in a packed ARC in Valparaiso, IN, where it can be pretty intimidating.
These are from the UWGB forum. I know CSU wants to host their first HL men's bball tournament but Valpo would be fun.
We were 12-5 against the spread through the first GB game. We have covered only 3 of 8 games since. The difference isn't huge because we've still been winning, just not covering. Now that KC has gotten the kinks out hopefully we're ready to return to our early conference form. If we can pull off this win tonight, we could be ready for a couple of dominant tourney performances.
By the way I think some of the comments of EVN's play have been overly critical. Yes, he had a bad game at Detroit, but name someone who didn't. On balance he has been a life saver in the absence of KC.
CSU hasn't been playing well as of late either. They've lost 2 of 3, the losses were to Milwaukee and Detroit. They beat GB but if they win those 2 games their season is very different. Both teams squandered some golden opportunities to lesser opponents. I still believe that Valpo is a better team and should be able to beat CSU.
Hopefully we come out with the mentality to avenge a bad loss that could've clinched the title. I expect Valpo to be ready mentally and physically for this game. My guess is KC gets the start tonight, we need him for this game, last time EVN looked uneasy against CSU which plays a very stingy defense. Make our FTs and 3s we should win.
We have more offensive power than CSU and can play with the same defensive intensity.
Probably at Green Bay
A starting time of 10:oo pm EST is tough on us old folk. But more disappointing is the fact that we will miss Bill Maher and will watch Valpo instead. It's like going from comedy to tragedy in one fell swoop. Bad for the digestive system too
It's also tough to not hit enter 100 times ;)
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 27, 2015, 10:48:45 AMcorrect, we were underdogs to Missouri and at UWGB. UWGB was only 1.5.
1.5 dogs at UWGB sounds plausible... I probably wouldn't doubt it if I hadn't double-checked this morning that we _were_ dogs.
From
http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-basketball/odds/las-vegas/line-movement/valparaiso-@-wisconsin-green-bay.cfm/date/01-23-15/time/2100 (http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-basketball/odds/las-vegas/line-movement/valparaiso-@-wisconsin-green-bay.cfm/date/01-23-15/time/2100)
it looks like it was 5, 5.5, 6 points.
Unless I'm missing something?
Here's a season summary
http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-basketball/teams/team-page.cfm/team/valparaiso (http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-basketball/teams/team-page.cfm/team/valparaiso)
4.5 point dogs @ Mizzou.
2.5 for the Murray State game.
5.5 for @ UWGB.
5.5 point _favorites_ @ Oakaland.
_8.5_ point favorites when UNM came to town.
Looks like 3.5 dogs @ CSU.
Let's hope it's like Murray State!
As odd as this sounds, I think we could win the tournament as a 2 seed (which is likely given a loss). We'd have essentially have 2 chances to beat CSU on the road (if they win their first game) and a game against Green Bay when they're only on a day of rest. Tonight may seem like a must win, but there's still a glimmer of hope if we don't. CSU is still a team that finished 4-8 OOC and lost to Savannah State. I know everyone's going to overreact and panic if we lose but I won't be ready to call this season over yet.
Quote from: a3uge on February 27, 2015, 02:55:17 PMCSU is still a team that finished 4-8 OOC and lost to Savannah State. I know everyone's going to overreact and panic if we lose but I won't be ready to call this season over yet.
And lost to Akron, and to _Eastern Illinois_ at home.
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Tonight may seem like a must win, but there's still a glimmer of hope if we don't.
Agreed. Probably more than a glimmer. Even with a close loss, I'm not ready to declare 2011 yet. (I was at that Bracketbuster... all the way from France! Sort of. What a match-up! What a game! What was our RPI at the time? Must have been pretty shiny. And then... a 20 point loss _at home_, to _Loyola_? Blargh!)
But, let's win tonight!
CSU has no clear cut advantage over us (other than home court) either tonight or in a rematch in 10 days. Anything can happen and I remain optimistic.
Sounds like the voice of reason. By the way, has someone posted the tiebreakers here if Valpo were to lose to CSU.
Is it RPI?.....or does something decide ahead of that?
If we lose and GB wins, we're the 2 seed in Cleveland. If we lose and Oakland wins, we're the 3 seed in more than likely Cleveland (that's me guessing they will have a higher RPI than Oakland)
And if you want to read all of the scenarios, thank StlVUFan:
http://horizonleague.blogspot.com/ (http://horizonleague.blogspot.com/)
If we lose - CSU hosts. Then the seeds depend on Oakland-UWGB game.
UWGB Wins: CSU 1, Valpo 2, UWGB 3, Oakland 4.
Oak Wins: CSU 1, Oakland 2, Valpo 3 UWGB 4.
Now if Valpo wins, here's the seeds based on that uwgb-oakland game:
UWGB wins: Valpo 1, UWGB 2, Oakland 3, CSU 4.
Oakland wins: Valpo 1, Oakland 2, CSU 3, UWGB 4.
Easy stuff.
I've been so "Valpo-focused" that I didn't realize that Oakland will have the 2 seed and double bye with a win at GB. Huge game for them. They might be playing the best basketball of the top 4 right now.
Quote from: wh on February 27, 2015, 11:04:59 AMBy the way I think some of the comments of EVN's play have been overly critical. Yes, he had a bad game at Detroit, but name someone who didn't. On balance he has been a life saver in the absence of KC.
:clap: :clap: :clap:
Quote from: a3uge on February 27, 2015, 05:30:02 PMIf we lose - CSU hosts. Then the seeds depend on Oakland-UWGB game.
UWGB Wins: CSU 1, Valpo 2, UWGB 3, Oakland 4.
Oak Wins: CSU 1, Oakland 2, Valpo 3 UWGB 4.
That last one is a prediction on your part, you realize? CSU-Oakland is broken by RPI.
Quote from: a3uge on February 27, 2015, 05:30:02 PM
If we lose - CSU hosts. Then the seeds depend on Oakland-UWGB game.
UWGB Wins: CSU 1, Valpo 2, UWGB 3, Oakland 4.
Oak Wins: CSU 1, Oakland 2, Valpo 3 UWGB 4.
Now if Valpo wins, here's the seeds based on that uwgb-oakland game:
UWGB wins: Valpo 1, UWGB 2, Oakland 3, CSU 4.
Oakland wins: Valpo 1, Oakland 2, CSU 3, UWGB 4.
Easy stuff.
We're all hoping for a VU win, but there is a ton of pressure on CSU as well. If they lose, they miss out on the double-bye for sure and could be as low as fourth.
The other thing I was thinking about all day is that in conference play, Valpo has one OT loss (@Oakland), one single-point loss (@GB) where Valpo had some shots to win with less than 20 seconds, and Wednesday's three point loss (@Detroit) on free throws with one second left. They head into tonight's game with a strong conference record and a chance to win the league outright, which again is better than most expected. Finally, if there was a game to have an off night, perhaps Wednesday was the best possible game to do it (as long as tonight works out!).
Wouldn't be surprised if we get blown out. We looked horrible against Detroit and have actually looked pretty bad our last 5 games or so
Vegas has us a 3.5 dog. That's about right Sagarin gives 3.27 as the home court advantage. That simply means it's a toss up. Better team wins. GO VALPO!!
Looks like we are in good shape to start on time. Akron up 53-42 with 7:04 to go at 8:33 central.
It looks like Akron has a newer gym. I prefer our older field house.
I'd love for both us and Oakland to win, knocking CSU to 4th seed. That's the outcome I want.
Quote from: gamelord on February 27, 2015, 08:48:32 PM
I'd love for both us and Oakland to win, knocking CSU to 4th seed. That's the outcome I want.
Why would you want to play CSU in the semi finals over GB or Oakland?
Quote from: Valpofan00 on February 27, 2015, 08:57:54 PMWhy would you want to play CSU in the semi finals over GB or Oakland?
ask again in about 2 hours
oh no. Another jackass announcer!!
Wow! the Drew's have been coaching at Valpo for 45 years! I'm getting in contact with ESPN TONIGHT!!
if you can't watch online or on cable:
http://ifirstrowus.eu/watch/325118/1/watch-valparaiso-vs-cleveland-state.html (http://ifirstrowus.eu/watch/325118/1/watch-valparaiso-vs-cleveland-state.html)
or
http://ifirstrowus.eu/watch/325118/2/watch-valparaiso-vs-cleveland-state.html (http://ifirstrowus.eu/watch/325118/2/watch-valparaiso-vs-cleveland-state.html)
Quote from: vu72 on February 27, 2015, 09:06:35 PMthe Drew's have been coaching at Valpo for 45 years!
if you totaled the three coaches' total years @ VU, i bet that's close
Quote from: Valpofan00 on February 27, 2015, 08:57:54 PM
Quote from: gamelord on February 27, 2015, 08:48:32 PM
I'd love for both us and Oakland to win, knocking CSU to 4th seed. That's the outcome I want.
Why would you want to play CSU in the semi finals over GB or Oakland?
I'd like my chances of CSU getting an extra game to hopefully wear them down.
Again displaying no ability to rebound...
First media timeout. No offensive rebounds, not crashing the boards like we used too. But hey, no turnovers yet.
Valp - por - eye - so.
Quote from: a3uge on February 27, 2015, 09:16:05 PM
Valp - por - eye - so.
We ALL need to send ESPN an email telling them how lame their announcers are. It is really bad.
That Lewis guy sucks. What is he like 1 for 7 so far.
They can call us whatever they want as long as we start rebounding like the league leader we are. That's what helped us get here.
Quote from: vu72 on February 27, 2015, 09:22:04 PM
Quote from: a3uge on February 27, 2015, 09:16:05 PM
Valp - por - eye - so.
We ALL need to send ESPN an email telling them how lame their announcers are. It is really bad.
Not only that, but the people in the truck can't tell them???
My wife wants to throw a brick at the TV right now over this clown....and she did not even go to Valpo!
I'm sorry but Vashil can't score at all.
How many point blank shots are we going to miss?
Jubril and Nickerson trying hard to destroy this team the past two games.
Fernandez misses an alley oop that KC puts in the cylinder for him. After an earlier mis-handled bunny. Can't take that man's lack of offensive coordination anymore.
Vashil was making those at mid season and we were praising how much he improved. Remember?
Quote from: a3uge on February 27, 2015, 09:29:49 PM
Jubril and Nickerson trying hard to destroy this team the past two games.
You can't single those two out tonight so far. You've got Vashil making stupid mistakes, T Walker making stupid mistakes, KC making stupid mistakes. Sloppppyyyy.
Quote from: rink on February 27, 2015, 09:35:20 PM
Quote from: a3uge on February 27, 2015, 09:29:49 PM
Jubril and Nickerson trying hard to destroy this team the past two games.
You can't single those two out tonight so far. You've got Vashil making stupid mistakes, T Walker making stupid mistakes, KC making stupid mistakes. Sloppppyyyy.
Yes I can, because literally every possession they run the ball right at Jubril.
can someone explain why max joseph is playing in the most important game of the year so far?
Can't rebound, can't hit free throws. What the heck?
Game changes when we don't have someone protecting the rim. Of course they drive every time. I think most of CSU points have come when Vashil is on the bench. This is what scares me next year.
there will come a time when CSU ceases to shoot 30%, and then we'll wish we had a bigger lead.
who'd have thought that the home team had yet to shoot a FT? that's not going to hold either.
How drunk is that student section?
Please note: At about 3:50 to go in the first I got a hold of ESPN and it became VAL-PAR-A-SO!!
Quote from: a3uge on February 27, 2015, 09:47:34 PM
How drunk is that student section?
they're probably still making better decisions than we did during and coming out of that timeout at 2:32
We came out of a timeout and crapped out a possession *that* ugly?
Quote from: rink on February 27, 2015, 09:49:48 PM
We came out of a timeout and crapped out a possession *that* ugly?
i blame the combination of 1) discount beers and 2) this being a two-site road trip they haven't had their daily reading from The Collected Works of O.P. Kretzmann to keep them on the wagon
Ugly half of basketball, just what I expected against Cleveland State. Defense has been great so far. I'd take another 23 to 17 half of BB.
I hear ya Laporte, CSU will shoot better and become more aggressive as the game goes. Out of the timeout we have to better. The last play in Detroit and this play out of timeout should be better.
Still...as ugly as that half was...if I told you we'd have a 6 point lead at the half, and that we'd be shooting 39% and 50% at the line...
you'd have taken it, right?
We are two Vashil dunks away from a decent double digit lead....
Btw, I love the Horizon League commerical where the Milwaukee player is looking away from the camera.
AND I WAS RIGHT.
CSU couldn't keep shooting 30%.
Now they're shooting 25%.
CSU was scoreless for... The last five minutes there?
The scoring's going to pick up. Think it'll still take 60 to win?
Still, they want to spot us six points in a really ugly half, we'll take six points.
Let's have Alec hit a 3 out of the break to start with a 9 point lead...
We are all coaches here....what would you tell the team?
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 27, 2015, 10:01:54 PM
We are all coaches here....what would you tell the team?
This
Quote from: a3uge on February 27, 2015, 10:01:13 PM
Let's have Alec hit a 3 out of the break to start with a 9 point lead...
CSU will come out more lose, they were tight as they know there is much on the line. They came out more care free and will play. We have to match it,
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 27, 2015, 10:04:02 PM
CSU will come out more lose, they were tight as they know there is much on the line. They came out more care free and will play. We have to match it,
Maybe GW will buy them some of those dollar beers.
When was the last time Vashil had no fouls before halftime?
A tail of two seasons. Surprising that we have won in both. Before Keith went out we pushed the ball much more hence the higher PPG scoring average. When Nickerson started running the point the pressure increased and scoring decreased. Teams have continued the pressure and I would love to see us outlet the ball off the defensive rebound and get the ball up the floor faster.
Heckuva start
There we go. Let's keep the gas pedal on.
Quote from: agibson on February 27, 2015, 09:58:29 PM
The scoring's going to pick up. Think it'll still take 60 to win?
Sure doesn't look like it. Grubby stuff.
51 and 10 may do it again tonight, if we can make it that far.
Officials have lost control of this game. Things could get ugly as the game progresses, this is way too physical, lots of holding, pushing and other stuff.
I know he didn't mean it, but that was a closed fist.
Free. Throws.
To the tune of the theme song to the Flintstones
Free throws.
Make your free throws.
They're as easy as a shot can be.
Free throws.
Missed our free throws.
At least EVN just hit that three.
I think Erik Buggs was a better rebounder than Jubril. Need to get Vashil back in the game.
I notice CSU did lose at Louisville 45-33. There for a while neither team was on track to score that many.
Waters= Murtaugh
"...And the ESPY for Least Comfy 8-Pt 2nd-Half Lead Against A Team Shooting Under 30% goes to..."
[cut to bryce "i hope we win" face]
For all guys are getting knocked to the deck, I don't see where some of these fouls are coming from.
Ron Burgundy - That Escalated Quickly (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FONN-0uoTHI#ws)
I don't want to jump the gun but valparaiso is feeling it
Should have been doubling Grady on Vashil's 4th foul.
The boy can play some D!!! Tevonn Walker!
Our all defensive player Vashil with 4 fouls with 8 minutes to go and they are in bonus. It's not even close to being over.
That's what I get for thinking "oh gee valpo hasn't been turning it over tonight".
i would put Vashil back soon...if he fouls out he fouls out but they don't fear driving otherwise.
i'd rather they shoot from outside where they are...uh...less successful tonight.
So some offense now would be nice
What the heck? Mentally weak or bad coaching?
Get Jubril OUT
Get jubril out
Just when it starts to get comfortable, we start turning over the ball left and right. Ugh! That felt like 4 straight giveaways.
14 point lead to a 6 point lead....haven't scored in awhile....
Totally unravelling. I hate it when teams start to watch the clock. WAY TOO MUCH CONTACT WITH NO CALLS!
WE ARE RAVELLING AGAIN!!!
Two EXCELLENT entry passes from D Walker to Alec there in about a 60 second stretch.
Are these U guys supposed to be neutral?
PPEETTTEERRRSSSS
Are you kidding me Alec Peters!!!!
That must be 51 and 10. Well done Valpo!
That's RIGHT Waters.
This team won't die.
Home run? Peters to T?
Didn't cut.
Congrats valpo! HL Champs, outright!
Gutty finish to a memorable regular season.
Let's keep it going!
Champs!!!!! :o
Plays of the game for me might be two threes. T Walker circus shot late in the clock, defenders front and back.
And Peters in the corner , having smashed the press to smithereens, CSU comes unglued, leaves Peters in the corner. For 3. And 1.
Edit: Had to correct my Walker. Thanks to the vine for making it clear.
Quote from: agibson on February 27, 2015, 11:02:35 PM
That must be 51 and 10. Well done Valpo!
Didn't the 51/10 thing expire after last game though?
definitely well done, though. what a great season.
Who was it that wrote the "HL Fan's Guide to Valpo" for the blog a few years back?
I think they better revise it for the peoples...
2014/15 regular season champions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Terrific game could've folded but didn't... Alec coming up clutch! Time to take care of business in the tourney. Take a week off. They certainly deserve it!
Once CSU just relaxed and played they made it a game.
Didn't like carter and team struggling against the press.
Congrats to Vashil for a double double and decent free throws.
Congrats to a young team and to the program for winning 3 out of last 4 HL league championships.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The whole squad showed up tonight. Defense was OUTSTANDING. Grady and Lewis were frustrated all night long. Loved every second of that.
Valpoathletics _fast_ with the new banner.
Amazing defense.
Alec is extremely efficient: 15 pts, 5-6 FG (2-2 3P), 3-3 FT.
Good game on the road on no rest.
Rest up for next weekend.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 27, 2015, 11:12:40 PMQuote from: agibson on Today at 11:02:35 PM
That must be 51 and 10. Well done Valpo!
Didn't the 51/10 thing expire after last game though?
Yeah, but 61/10 just doesn't seem that special. 51 and 10 seemed like it would do it tonight.
If we see CSU again they will play like the did second half. If they played the first half like the second half they could have won. I think they learned and if given another chance against us, that's how they will play.
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Nicely done boys! Make room for another banner...
Valpofan00 and rink need to bow down before Vashil for their comments earlier in the game, from what I see. His defense was incredible against a guy that scored 19 against us last time, and he stayed out of foul trouble until 9 minutes left in the game. He came up huge knocking around some offensive rebounds, and made the dunks and some free throws to kill CSU's momentum. He also had 0 turnovers, even though he was fed some really close passes, that anyone would struggle with. Yes, he did miss two dunks, but his hook shots weren't badly missed. Bow down Vf00 and rink, bow down...
Congrats on the #1 seed, and I am even more happy that I don't have to see grizz pop on here about how great Oakland is, and that they had the potential to be a regular season champion. Btw, Petros sucks.
Preseason first teamers?
Trey Lewis took _17_ shots for 13 points.
Alec Peters? _6_ shots for _15_ points.
I don't suppose the HL voters are scoring on efficiency? This guy's been reading he Ryan Broekhoff playbook.
Luke Gore sounds _tired_. Heck, Todd Ickow sounds _tired_. And a catch in his voice.
The first half of the HL I thought we played better. I hope we see more of that in the tournament.
Quote from: rink on February 27, 2015, 11:20:37 PMNicely done boys! Make room for another banner...
i'll start on selecting juuuuust the right ARC stairwell then
Of course you realize that means I have to work 4 games next weekend... Well... If I MUST... The things I do for this team...geesh. I can't think of anything else I'd rather be doing. Come on out Friday night and cheer on the bottom half of the league!
I have half a mind to find out their travel schedule tonight and head to the ARC and greet this team... may be 5am...
Quote from: agibson on February 27, 2015, 11:25:05 PMAlec Peters? _6_ shots for _15_ points.
I also liked T Walker's 11 on 4 shots (well, 5 shot equivalents).
less a fan of D Walker taking 13 to get 13, much less WHY IS HE TAKING ONE THIRD OF OUR SHOTS but hey we won.
Chucker (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOhvYhyzKjM#)
Glenmorangie 18 to celebrate this one! If we win the tournament it will be the Glenlivet 18. And if we can somehow win a game in the dance it will be the Glenlivet Archive 21! And if we ever beat Kentucky I will personally drain my bottle of Pappy Van Winkle 23!!
Not that I like whiskey or anything. ;D
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 27, 2015, 11:26:04 PM
The first half of the HL I thought we played better. I hope we see more of that in the tournament.
But in the second half we beat GB, Oakland, and CSU with the latter coming on the road, something that no other HL team was able to accomplish. This team took a giant step forward tonight.
Each team with a chance to clinch the HL title with a victory, and us needing to do it on the road. After such a disappointing outing on Wednesday we played more like we're used to seeing. Hate to see a 14 point lead shrink to 4 ever so quickly but we were able to rebound from it and hit some huge shots.
Alec Peters should be HL PoY, great players step up in games like this and he certainly did, 15 points on 5-6 shooting and hit the biggest shot of the game... it was an and-1 no less.
Congrats! Now time to take care of business on our own turf...... again
Quote from: agibson on February 27, 2015, 11:25:28 PM
Luke Gore sounds _tired_. Heck, Todd Ickow sounds _tired_. And a catch in his voice.
Heck, I'm tired and I didn't play a minute, just a lot of twisting and turning in my chair!
Quote from: nkvu on February 27, 2015, 11:30:43 PM
Glenmorangie 18 to celebrate this one! If we win the tournament it will be the Glenlivet 18. And if we can somehow win a game in the dance it will be the Glenlivet Archive 21! And if we ever beat Kentucky I will personally drain my bottle of Pappy Van Winkle 23!!
Not that I like whiskey or anything. ;D
Love my whiskey. But I had to go Kentucky Bourbon Barrel Ale tonight.
Good stuff ;D :lol: :rotfl:
Quote from: Valpofan00 on February 25, 2015, 08:06:50 PM
No way we win at CSU kiss the season and hosting the tourny goodbye. Even if somehow we make it to the NCAA tourny (which we won't) we aren't going to get a good seed. We will get blown out by a powerhouse. Maybe next year
Quote from: agibson on February 27, 2015, 11:25:05 PMAlec Peters? _6_ shots for _15_ points.
I don't suppose the HL voters are scoring on efficiency? This guy's been reading he Ryan Broekhoff playbook.
Just may not have the same splash as Sykes career-high against UIC...
Quote from: valpo4life on February 27, 2015, 11:32:59 PMLove my whiskey. But I had to go Kentucky Bourbon Barrel Ale tonight.
That's a good one! Just picked up a bottle of Figure 8's Date Night tonight that they had in bourbon barrels for a year. We'll see. They've been bottling some of these lately - also the Devil's Drip and the Ro Shampo. They've been good, before, in small batches from the tap.
Quote from: valpo4life on February 27, 2015, 11:32:59 PM
Quote from: nkvu on February 27, 2015, 11:30:43 PM
Glenmorangie 18 to celebrate this one! If we win the tournament it will be the Glenlivet 18. And if we can somehow win a game in the dance it will be the Glenlivet Archive 21! And if we ever beat Kentucky I will personally drain my bottle of Pappy Van Winkle 23!!
Not that I like whiskey or anything. ;D
Love my whiskey. But I had to go Kentucky Bourbon Barrel Ale tonight.
A perfectly acceptable alternative. One of my favorites as well!
Quote from: talksalot on February 27, 2015, 11:26:53 PMI have half a mind to find out their travel schedule tonight and head to the ARC and greet this team... may be 5am...
Just not sure what it would mean if only half a dozen of us showed up...
SUMMIT LEAGUE CHAMPIONS!!
(http://i.imgur.com/lx51TFg.png)
Quote from: agibson on February 27, 2015, 11:39:31 PMQuote from: talksalot on Today at 11:26:53 PMI have half a mind to find out their travel schedule tonight and head to the ARC and greet this team... may be 5am...Just not sure what it would mean if only half a dozen of us showed up...
ASIDE from being crazy... it would show that IT MATTERS.... at least to us. #thinkingaboutit
Quote from: a3uge on February 27, 2015, 11:40:29 PMSUMMIT LEAGUE CHAMPIONS!!
Bill Potter has to be pounding his head against a wall...Feeling the Verizon League Championship !! ... at least that's how ESPN started tonights game.
http://www.collegecourtreport.com/ccr-mm-poy.html (http://www.collegecourtreport.com/ccr-mm-poy.html)
VOTE FOR ALEC
RIGHT NOW PLEASE
...HE IS LOSING TO SHREK
So, I was actually hoping we'd face Oakland in our first game, because I think we match up really well with them...
but we can't now.
It's the winner of Detroit vs. CSU or GB. If Oakland wins, it's GB; if GB wins tomorrow, it's CSU.
If you had your 'druthers...?
I would say Detroit. Obviously. But more likely CSU or GB. That's a tough choice...after tonight I say CSU.
Then again, we do well against GB in the semis ;)
Highlights of the game were just on SportsCenter!
Quote from: a3uge on February 27, 2015, 11:40:29 PMSUMMIT LEAGUE CHAMPIONS!!
The article doesn't get much better from there.
Quote
to lead Valparaiso to the Summit League regulator season championship
That from the Idaho Statesman
http://www.idahostatesman.com/2015/02/27/3668793/valparaiso-wins-summit-with-56.html (http://www.idahostatesman.com/2015/02/27/3668793/valparaiso-wins-summit-with-56.html)
but presumably it's everywhere.
*sigh*
I thought the AP had standards?
You think they run a correction?
Quote from: talksalot on February 27, 2015, 11:41:17 PM
Quote from: agibson on February 27, 2015, 11:39:31 PMQuote from: talksalot on Today at 11:26:53 PMI have half a mind to find out their travel schedule tonight and head to the ARC and greet this team... may be 5am...Just not sure what it would mean if only half a dozen of us showed up...
ASIDE from being crazy... it would show that IT MATTERS.... at least to us. #thinkingaboutit
What's it supposed to be? -3 F?
If you can figure out the schedule, I'd certainly consider it. Do we have a third?
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Sounds like he broke a tooth, after all.
When he gets a mouth guard, will the transformation to Broekhoff 2.0 be complete?
Quote from: agibson on February 28, 2015, 12:00:51 AM
Quote from: talksalot on February 27, 2015, 11:41:17 PM
Quote from: agibson on February 27, 2015, 11:39:31 PMQuote from: talksalot on Today at 11:26:53 PMI have half a mind to find out their travel schedule tonight and head to the ARC and greet this team... may be 5am...Just not sure what it would mean if only half a dozen of us showed up...
ASIDE from being crazy... it would show that IT MATTERS.... at least to us. #thinkingaboutit
What's it supposed to be? -3 F?
If you can figure out the schedule, I'd certainly consider it. Do we have a third?
You can stay warm at home. They're not coming home tonight.
Stone cold Alec Peters, getting a tooth knocked out, and then knocking out CSU :)
Even though it wasn't on purpose, it was with a closed fist. That's not a basketball move.
Peters did avenge with cuting a CSU cheek. And then again with a 4 point play just when they thought they had a chance to steal one.
Quote from: agibson on February 28, 2015, 12:06:19 AM
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Sounds like he broke a tooth, after all.
When he gets a mouth guard, will the transformation to Broekhoff 2.0 be complete?
One of the better straight left hands I've seen in or out of the ring. In fairness I think Alec did land a couple of elbows that did some damage after that.
Quote from: agibson on February 28, 2015, 12:06:19 AM
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Sounds like he broke a tooth, after all.
When he gets a mouth guard, will the transformation to Broekhoff 2.0 be complete?
One difference is Peters will use his left hand around the rim. Something I hope Rowdy has been working on.
When does the team come back? I am interested in joining a welcome crowd.
Quote from: agibson on February 28, 2015, 12:06:19 AM
[tweet]571548608559898625[/tweet]
Sounds like he broke a tooth, after all.
When he gets a mouth guard, will the transformation to Broekhoff 2.0 be complete?
I saw this other tweet promptly, but totally missed the author.
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Nice!
Quote from: Valpofan00 on February 27, 2015, 11:46:50 PM
Highlights of the game were just on SportsCenter!
Coming around again in a few minutes...
Quote from: Valpofan00 on February 27, 2015, 08:12:03 PMWouldn't be surprised if we get blown out. We looked horrible against Detroit and have actually looked pretty bad our last 5 games or so
Very glad to read that you were the debbie downer tonight and not 78. 78 was actually very positive. Because along with your poor analysis of the women's team you can't predict men's results very well either. I mean, come on! "pretty bad our last 5 games or so." Valpo beat Oakland, GB, Milw at Milw and WSU and lost a 3 point game at Detroit. How is that "pretty bad?!" Hooray! Thank God!
Quote from: vu72 on February 27, 2015, 09:48:44 PM
Please note: At about 3:50 to go in the first I got a hold of ESPN and it became VAL-PAR-A-SO!!
Like everyone else, the repeated mispronunciation was grating on our nerves big time, when we suddenly noticed that seemingly out of the blue he started pronouncing it correctly. I mentioned to my daughter that someone must have finally gotten to the guy. Little did I know that you were the one behind it. Kudos to '72! :clap:
Quote from: wh on February 28, 2015, 12:46:25 AM
Quote from: vu72 on February 27, 2015, 09:48:44 PM
Please note: At about 3:50 to go in the first I got a hold of ESPN and it became VAL-PAR-A-SO!!
Like everyone else, the repeated mispronunciation was grating on our nerves big time, when we suddenly noticed that seemingly out of the blue he started pronouncing it correctly. I mentioned to my daughter that someone must have finally gotten to the guy. Little did I know that you were the one behind it. Kudos to '72! :clap:
Amen brother! :thumbsup:
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 27, 2015, 11:29:03 PM
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 27, 2015, 11:29:03 PM
Quote from: agibson on February 27, 2015, 11:25:05 PMAlec Peters? _6_ shots for _15_ points.
I also liked T Walker's 11 on 4 shots (well, 5 shot equivalents).
less a fan of D Walker taking 13 to get 13, much less WHY IS HE TAKING ONE THIRD OF OUR SHOTS but hey we won.
True, but I'm a big fan of his team leading 8 rebounds, team leading 4 assists, and 0 TO's in 25 minutes.
Just returned from the W. Team will be back tomorrow afternoon. They are staying in C-Town overnight.
Folks -- that was an incredibly tough victory. Champions are built through fire and that team busted their tails to win that game. It was as physical and intense for 40 mins as I can remember. CSU was doing what CSU does on their home court with 3 refs letting them do it. Someone could have (well actually) got hurt. There was a lot of blood in this one. It was so bad and so intense, I think I was bleeding. These guys earned that one. Intensity and this will help them understand what it takes to win a championship, HL or Summit or whatever conference.
Congratulations Valpo 2014-15 HLMBB regular season champs, home court and an auto NIT bid.
Credit to CSU for a good student turnout although that gym is quiet even with people in it. Good. Valpo turnout, over 100 Valpo fans at least. Thanks to those who texted and I even look good in the SC highlights!
Cleveland State vs. Valparaiso MBB Highlights (Feb. 27) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVL3m6bxH0Y#ws)
Men's Basketball Postgame vs. Valparaiso (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wXFg1Hry8o#ws)
I just need to say I don't like playing CSU. .. I don't appreciate their style. I think they foul on almost every play. They try to hit and bump in every defensive trip as part of their game plan. Our players always seem so banged up after playing them.
The league should NOT reward their playing style. (Call fouls so they have to play like the rest of the teams play.) I also think waters is an ars ever since his post game interview where he said we were not that good and did not beat them - "they just lost"...
As for the win - way to go Valpo!
In a year that started with a win over Murray Bartow (ETSU) and a tribute to his father; we clinched the league title with Bryce picking up win #92... tying him with Gene Bartow...third place in total coaching victories. Coach Christianson was 102-108 1929-1941.
Valpo is now 13-4 away from the ARC. 13 wins ties us for 2nd most (01-02) we were 13-7; only 2 behind 97-98, we were 15-5.
OPP-PPG 59.81 through 31 games. Best mark since 1951-52 58.04
Quote from: wh on February 28, 2015, 12:46:25 AM
Quote from: vu72 on February 27, 2015, 09:48:44 PM
Please note: At about 3:50 to go in the first I got a hold of ESPN and it became VAL-PAR-A-SO!!
Like everyone else, the repeated mispronunciation was grating on our nerves big time, when we suddenly noticed that seemingly out of the blue he started pronouncing it correctly. I mentioned to my daughter that someone must have finally gotten to the guy. Little did I know that you were the one behind it. Kudos to '72! :clap:
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Where do I begin. The play by play guy at the Valpo-Cleveland State game can't pronounce VAL-Par-A-S0 and instead says VALPAR-I-So but no one in the truck corrects him. Then it is Nickerson with the ball when he is on the bench. Come on, this is a national broadcast and the guys doing it are idiots. You are better then this!
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Watched the game last night with family and was not in a position to post. Agree with most (if not all) of the insights from the game. Ugly game overall, but liked how Valpo played winning ball down the stretch. Three nice plays going inside was the key. Great effort and a big win after a dissapointing loss on Wednesday. Now need to win two games at home.
ESPN - it almost appears that ESPN randomly picks the announcers about 15 minutes before the game. They don't appear to do any homework - getting to know the players, pronunciation, etc. Adam Amin needs to tweet out the pronunciation to all of his colleagues before they do a Valpo game
Like...
Tray-Vonn Walker
David Scare-a
and my favorite... the winner will host the Verizon League tournament!
uhhh. hope we get better coverage.
Great teams come out of adversity and these guys reflect that. Tremendous defensive team effort by the Crusaders.
Regarding the conference tournament, I would not want to face Detroit. I have this feeling these guys are getting hot at the right time.
Great Valpo Vines stuff from a3uge?
http://vine.co/u/1178862337793421312 (http://vine.co/u/1178862337793421312)
I think I would rather play uwgb than CSU in the semi. CSU learned they can compete with us when they push the ball, full court press with tempo and play carefree with nothing to lose. Playing half court ball against our length is not to their advantage. It took them 1.75 games against us to figure it out.
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 28, 2015, 09:09:44 AMI think I would rather play uwgb than CSU in the semi.
I hate playing any team twice in a row.
Jubril looks to be really struggling. For us to have much success in either the NIT or NCAA he will need to find his game.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 27, 2015, 11:12:40 PM
Who was it that wrote the "HL Fan's Guide to Valpo" for the blog a few years back?
I think they better revise it for the peoples...
I have an even better idea than my own. (Incredible, right?)
Let's let Keifer Sykes write it!
After all, it will be his seventh trip to Valpo...
Some vines:
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Quote from: historyman on February 28, 2015, 12:44:33 AM
Quote from: Valpofan00 on February 27, 2015, 08:12:03 PMWouldn't be surprised if we get blown out. We looked horrible against Detroit and have actually looked pretty bad our last 5 games or so
Very glad to read that you were the debbie downer tonight and not 78. 78 was actually very positive. Because along with your poor analysis of the women's team you can't predict men's results very well either. I mean, come on! "pretty bad our last 5 games or so." Valpo beat Oakland, GB, Milw at Milw and WSU and lost a 3 point game at Detroit. How is that "pretty bad?!" Hooray! Thank God!
I don't think I've ever even view the Women's basketball thread yet alone predict something. We've had ugly wins the past couple games and we looked horrible against detroit just a few nights ago. I thought we'd come out flat and tired with just 1 day rest. Glad I was very wrong! ;)
Quote from: justducky on February 28, 2015, 10:07:52 AM
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 28, 2015, 09:09:44 AMI think I would rather play uwgb than CSU in the semi.
I hate playing any team twice in a row.
Jubril looks to be really struggling. For us to have much success in either the NIT or NCAA he will need to find his game.
Struggling offensively, yes, but he did an amazing job of grinding on Grady - locking arms, pushing him away from the block, extending his knees, spreading his legs, etc. as tough as Grady is himself, Jubril and Vashiel never gave him so much as a single easy breath. This was one of the best defensive performances I have ever seen a Valpo team play. They completely shut down 2 of the top 6 or 7 players in the league. There were a lot of outstanding defensive performances, and Jubril's was right up there IMO. Lastly, we say this a lot about others, but I think we sometimes forget that Jubril is only a sophomore going up against older more experienced players.
Struggling
Quote from: Smj on February 28, 2015, 06:52:32 AM
I just need to say I don't like playing CSU. .. I don't appreciate their style. I think they foul on almost every play. They try to hit and bump in every defensive trip as part of their game plan. Our players always seem so banged up after playing them.
The league should NOT reward their playing style. (Call fouls so they have to play like the rest of the teams play.) I also think waters is an ars ever since his post game interview where he said we were not that good and did not beat them - "they just lost"...
As for the win - way to go Valpo!
I hate to say it, but we have been doing our fair share of bumping, reaching, and "purposefully initiating body contact" this season. Watch all of our double teams. This is part of the reason we are keeping teams to an average of under 60 points. You may not like it, but we are doing it more this season than we ever have since joining the horizon league.
Freedom of movement is dead and aggressive defense is the key to college basketball success. Butler made it to 2 national championship games by being the hands down most physically aggressive team in the tournament (those years). Same with VCU getting to the final 4.
I'm glad you were wrong too, Valpofan00! Thank you for taking it so well.
And don't take that insult personally--he is confusing you with someone very different.
The officiating was consistent last night. The game was also very physical and as I reflect from this game, I think changes to speed things up are required. Time for a new post.
Some #HotTakes...
* Disappointed that even Joel Lundaridi said Val-por-eye-so. Really?
* Dollar beer night at 10pm - students seemed tired and inattentive, but their lackluster offense may have had something to do with that.
* Peters just doesn't miss open shots. What's lost in that play is Carter's court vision and pass.
* Peters has some crazy good passing skills. He had that skip pass across the court to carter, who found Darien for the 3.
* Nickerson played better in the second half. That three was clutch.
* Jubril is playing his worst stretch of basketball at Valpo. If he's not hitting those open mid-range shots, he's a liability out there. His rebounding just seems bizarrely lacking. I don't know if he's afraid to pick up fouls rebounding or something, but he needs to learn how to be aggressive and in control. It seems like it's one or the other.
* Really happy with this season even if we fall to the NIT. This team will be fantastic next year.
Minus the first couple minutes of the 2nd half, the officiating was consistent. They let a lot go in the 1st half and opened up the 2nd with a couple touch calls and was thinking they were about to try and change the way the game was being played. Set the tone at the beginning of the game, you can't try and fix it with the start of a new half.
I didn't even notice during the game that the ESPNU announcers were extremely excited with each good CSU play, and had no excitement when we did something. WTF is up with that?
Waters is a dumb@$$. He is the guy in the 2011-2012 HL tournament who was talking trash about all of the other coaches at the hotel before their game. I was sitting in there eating and he was just going off. We didn't deserve to win this? We were up by 14 at one point, and you never looked like you were truly threatening us! A couple of desperate 3s? We had 1, and if you look at the score, that last desperation 3 at the buzzer by CSU equals that out in the score. Honestly, I thought that one came after the buzzer, and it should have been 56-50. Their missed FTs lost the game? No again, as we shot 12/23, and they were 6/11. Our missed FTs KEPT them in the game. For any CSU fan that might want to b!tch about the FT disparity, just watch the game again. We drove to the basket over and over, while you settled for jump shots due to our defense on Grady.
I'd say Valpo played equally as physical as CSU so I'm not sure why a few of you think the refs were letting them get away with something. Maybe their on ball pressure was more hands on with our guards, but you know we weren't even guarding their guards.
The defense Valpo played on anyone not named Lewis, Grady or Lee was almost comical. It reminded me of how teams would guard Buggs when he was outside the arc.
Quote from: valpotx on February 28, 2015, 10:59:08 AM
I didn't even notice during the game that the ESPNU announcers were extremely excited with each good CSU play, and had no excitement when we did something. WTF is up with that?
They were affable, I guess, but seemed really partisan. To their credit, they did mostly stick to the game in front of them. But seemed way more interested in CSU. And bizarrely fixated on encouraging CSU to pick up the tempo. If they were supposed to be neutral they fell fall short.
I know our media guide has play pronunciation guides. Does it have a -team name- pronunciation guide? You'd think that would be the first thing an unfamiliar commentator would look at.
There are subtle variations possible, but the basics are pretty clear.
Quote from: a3uge on February 28, 2015, 10:53:39 AM
* Dollar beer night at 10pm - students seemed tired and inattentive, but their lackluster offense may have had something to do with that.
I was surprised not to see more beer in the crowd shots. Probably the camera crews try to avoid them? The only ones I remember were on the bizarre bench full of jovial men.
What a weird interview - GW goes from "well they just hit desperation threes and we missed free throws" to singling out specific players "we missed the front end of one and ones" and "we have been masking our problems all season", singling out Marlin Mason and basically blaming the game on him.
Quote from: valpotx on February 28, 2015, 10:59:08 AMWe didn't deserve to win this?
in fairness, he did not say that about tonight, right? that was said earlier in reference to a game a few years back.
Quote from: wh on February 28, 2015, 01:34:23 AM
Cleveland State vs. Valparaiso MBB Highlights (Feb. 27)
is it me, or -- and i know they're the CSU guys -- every time we took a shot in the highlights above, we're "throwing it up" or "tossing it up" ...
(and clearly we made them all, they're highlights for a reason)
...I mean why not just go all the way and be like "Peters just chucks it up there...and it somehow goes in. Waters VERY upset there about Valpo's complete defiance of the laws of physics."
Makes you appreciate the chef more.
Quote from: a3uge on February 28, 2015, 12:04:51 PM" to singling out specific players "we missed the front end of one and ones" and "we have been masking our problems all season", singling out Marlin Mason and basically blaming the game on him.
I liked the interview. He states the obvious. He doesn't regurgitate as much non answer pablum that is force fed to sportswriters across the country.
Quote from: justducky on February 28, 2015, 12:17:58 PM
Quote from: a3uge on February 28, 2015, 12:04:51 PM" to singling out specific players "we missed the front end of one and ones" and "we have been masking our problems all season", singling out Marlin Mason and basically blaming the game on him.
I liked the interview. He states the obvious. He doesn't regurgitate as much non answer pablum that is force fed to sportswriters across the country.
I'll take a coach that gives canned answers over one that sells players out in a heartbeat. Who wants to play for a coach that doesn't have your back?
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 28, 2015, 12:17:31 PM
Quote from: wh on February 28, 2015, 01:34:23 AM
Cleveland State vs. Valparaiso MBB Highlights (Feb. 27)
is it me, or -- and i know they're the CSU guys -- every time we took a shot in the highlights above, we're "throwing it up" or "tossing it up" ...
(and clearly we made them all, they're highlights for a reason)
...I mean why not just go all the way and be like "Peters just chucks it up there...and it somehow goes in. Waters VERY upset there about Valpo's complete defiance of the laws of physics."
Makes you appreciate the chef more.
The announcers were bad, don't get me wrong, but I thought they were ripping CSU to shreds all game. I guess that may feel like they were biased towards CS all game, but I think they were just rooting for a better game. They seemed to think Valpo was, by far, the better team. "More ball movement!"
Oh one other takeaway - was that our fans counting down on Valpo's shot clock, or CSU fans? Typically you hear "5" - "4" -"3"... with 10 still seconds left when you're the away team.
Quote from: a3uge on February 28, 2015, 12:33:18 PMOh one other takeaway - was that our fans counting down on Valpo's shot clock, or CSU fans? Typically you hear "5" - "4" -"3"... with 10 still seconds left when you're the away team.
Yeah - that was fun! It was totally in sync. Really felt like our fans. Sometimes, in a quiet gym, you'll hear a team's bench doing it. But, it felt like more voices.
We were sloppy at times, we were good at times, and Alec was Alec. Jubril, I don't know that he's a bad player as much as he needed to play more to his abilities, not out of position, like he did this season. Hopefully, he can play the 4 next year instead of a backup 5. He's also on a sophomore, so he has two more years to make it work. We made the game work how we needed it to, and did it at our pace. Great win, and excited for the upcoming tournament. Today's games for the rest of the bracket will be good to see play out for who is ready to play for seeds, rather than home court.
Quote from: a3uge on February 28, 2015, 12:33:18 PMThe announcers were bad, don't get me wrong, but I thought they were ripping CSU to shreds all game.
I wasn't talking about ESPN, but about the CSU radio guys, whom I presume were the voices behind the HL highlights listed above?
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on February 28, 2015, 12:17:31 PM"Peters just chucks it up there...and it somehow goes in. Waters VERY upset there about Valpo's complete defiance of the laws of physics."
I vote that chef should try to work this phrase (eh, change "defiance of" to "disregard for") into the broadcast during the HL. Hopefully "Kampe" not "Waters" though. : )
It bothers me that we were out rebounded again for the second straight game. I don't think we played much better in CSU game as we did in the Detroit game. The difference was we shot 50% from three. We don't hit those 3's and its another detroit game and we are playing the tournament in Cleveland.
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 28, 2015, 01:55:33 PM
It bothers me that we were out rebounded again for the second straight game. I don't think we played much better in CSU game as we did in the Detroit game. The difference was we shot 50% from three. We don't hit those 3's and its another detroit game and we are playing the tournament in Cleveland.
But if we rebound better, we blow them out. Mighty Ducks man, quarter of an inch the other way and you miss completely.
Green Bay is dominating Oakland. More than likely it will be 1. Valpo 2. GB 3. Oakland 4. CSU?
Quote from: Valpofan00 on February 28, 2015, 10:40:12 AMI don't think I've ever even view the Women's basketball thread yet alone predict something. We've had ugly wins the past couple games and we looked horrible against detroit just a few nights ago. I thought we'd come out flat and tired with just 1 day rest. Glad I was very wrong!
I apologize. I did have you mixed up with valpo4life as for predictions on the women's team. Sorry, you guys all look a like to me. ;)
OTOH, pretty bad does not equate to ugly wins. Maybe you meant to rephrase that another way but it doesn't come close to describing this 14-15 Valpo MBB team.
I thought the TV announcers were ill-prepared, but I do not remember getting the feeling that they were biased.
Normally, I'm the guy complaining about CSU getting all our players injured and GW's Bill Belicheck-ian approach to defense (which I will never ever respect). But in this game, except for the Alec Peters tooth incident, it was Viking players that were hitting the deck all night long in this particular game, not ours.
I just read through pages 3-10 of this thread finally (I had other things to do on Saturday and Sunday). It's kind of humorous to read the early doom and gloom posts for a game that we ended up winning ;)
As to the closed fist to Peters' mouth, I'm with you, and I have zero respect for the Vikings and their coach in that particular regard. Do I recall correctly that they didn't even see fit to call a foul, or did they?
Quote from: StlVUFan on March 02, 2015, 05:40:23 PMAs to the closed fist to Peters' mouth, I'm with you, and I have zero respect for the Vikings and their coach in that particular regard. Do I recall correctly that they didn't even see fit to call a foul, or did they?
I don't remember a foul.
Quote from: a3uge on February 27, 2015, 10:30:58 PMI think Erik Buggs was a better rebounder than Jubril.
......but Jubril was the HL sixth man of the year!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: bbtds on March 02, 2015, 10:04:43 PM
Quote from: a3uge on February 27, 2015, 10:30:58 PMI think Erik Buggs was a better rebounder than Jubril.
......but Jubril was the HL sixth man of the year!!!!!!!!!!!
Looking back, I hope Jubril returns to the level he was playing at the beginning of the conference season. He really struggled rebounding against CSU and missed both his shots. In his past 5 games, he's failed to shoot above .500 3 times, where the rest of his conference games, he only failed to shoot above .500 twice. Hopefully he bounces back in the tournament, limits his fouls, and becomes a great spark off the bench.
There was a foul called on the hit to Alec. Otherwise, they would have had to call a travel.... which with HL refs, you never know.
Quote from: valpo84 on March 03, 2015, 07:56:26 AM
There was a foul called on the hit to Alec. Otherwise, they would have had to call a travel.... which with HL refs, you never know.
Thanks. I gather it wasn't considered flagrant though, right?
Quote from: StlVUFan on March 03, 2015, 05:36:07 PMThanks. I gather it wasn't considered flagrant though, right?
I would _definitely_ hope I'd remember that! But, who knows...
The foul was reviewed, and the officials decided it wasn't flagrant.
The officials said the CSU offender was playing the ball, and the "punch" was inadvertant because he was playing the ball, therefore no flagrant.
I thought the officials made the correct call on the court. I didn't think it was a flagrant foul, if it wasn't accidental he did a really good job making it look accidental.
It was a rough game, the refs let it get like that. Luckily, this season our team is physical and athletic enough to beat the Cleveland State's of the world at their own game.
Who goes after the ball with a closed fist?
Quote from: oklahomamick on March 04, 2015, 09:12:18 PM
Who goes after the ball with a closed fist?
Cleveland St.
I remember thinking that punching the ball is a violation. It isn't something that occurs often, but I have seen it called.
Quote from: oklahomamick on March 04, 2015, 09:12:18 PM
Who goes after the ball with a closed fist?
also Schröder
(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--jJBchtfv--/195mp1bzt1ed0jpg.jpg)
oh sorry ball SINGULAR
Some of these aren't as "accidental" as we might think.
http://espn.go.com/new-york/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/12338027/sterling-gibbs-seton-hall-suspended-two-games-hitting-villanova-ryan-arcidiacono-face (http://espn.go.com/new-york/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/12338027/sterling-gibbs-seton-hall-suspended-two-games-hitting-villanova-ryan-arcidiacono-face)
Seton Hall's player might have been going after the ball about as much as the CSU player trying to stop Alec. At least the refs in the Big East made the correct call.
Would love to review the Peter's situation again. Does anyone remember approximately how much time was on the clock when this happened?
FW: Early second half, about 2-4 mins in is my recollection. Recall before the 1st media time out.