I made a comment yesterday I shouldn't have made. During the game, with the score 11-2, I made a three word post: "Same old story" (referring to the MSU tourney game a couple years ago, where we also fell quickly behind). I let my frustration get the best of me. I regretted the post as soon as I made it. I was called out on it, and rightfully so. It was not respectful of our team. It was wrong of me to post it.
I was also taken to task for my pregame prediction of 65-44 Maryland. Just 'cause I think VU was going to lose does not equal disloyalty to VU, or disrespect to the coaches or players, at least in my mind. A couple weeks ago I said that I was SURE we would beat CSU in the regular season finale. I just felt we would not be competitive with a very good Maryland team and figured I had the right to voice my opinion without getting hammered. That's it.
OK, I've said what I wanted to say. If this apology is not sufficiently conciliatory, or if I'm wrong again -- which is absolutely possible -- or if maybe I should just drop off the board, I'm pretty sure I will hear about it from you guys. Thanks.
Paul
I forgive you...everyone felt like it was the same old song
Natural reaction from a survivor of the Purden-Rochlitz era.
Forgiven.
FYI, there is a very powerful button marked "REMOVE" that can fix a lot of problems. Poof! the offending post is gone.
Now that everything is fine..............let's talk about those Beacon Hall pictures............... ::)
Quote from: 78crusader on March 21, 2015, 04:40:13 PM
I made a comment yesterday I shouldn't have made. During the game, with the score 11-2, I made a three word post: "Same old story" (referring to the MSU tourney game a couple years ago, where we also fell quickly behind). I let my frustration get the best of me. I regretted the post as soon as I made it. I was called out on it, and rightfully so. It was not respectful of our team. It was wrong of me to post it.
I was also taken to task for my pregame prediction of 65-44 Maryland. Just 'cause I think VU was going to lose does not equal disloyalty to VU, or disrespect to the coaches or players, at least in my mind. A couple weeks ago I said that I was SURE we would beat CSU in the regular season finale. I just felt we would not be competitive with a very good Maryland team and figured I had the right to voice my opinion without getting hammered. That's it.
OK, I've said what I wanted to say. If this apology is not sufficiently conciliatory, or if I'm wrong again -- which is absolutely possible -- or if maybe I should just drop off the board, I'm pretty sure I will hear about it from you guys. Thanks.
Paul
As the "hammeror" I apologize for jumping on you as I did. It was a very sensitive time for all of us. I have always appreciated your posts and hope you will continue with the rest of us Valpo nut cases!
Quote from: 78crusader on March 21, 2015, 04:40:13 PM
I made a comment yesterday I shouldn't have made. During the game, with the score 11-2, I made a three word post: "Same old story" (referring to the MSU tourney game a couple years ago, where we also fell quickly behind). I let my frustration get the best of me. I regretted the post as soon as I made it. I was called out on it, and rightfully so. It was not respectful of our team. It was wrong of me to post it.
I was also taken to task for my pregame prediction of 65-44 Maryland. Just 'cause I think VU was going to lose does not equal disloyalty to VU, or disrespect to the coaches or players, at least in my mind. A couple weeks ago I said that I was SURE we would beat CSU in the regular season finale. I just felt we would not be competitive with a very good Maryland team and figured I had the right to voice my opinion without getting hammered. That's it.
OK, I've said what I wanted to say. If this apology is not sufficiently conciliatory, or if I'm wrong again -- which is absolutely possible -- or if maybe I should just drop off the board, I'm pretty sure I will hear about it from you guys. Thanks.
Paul
You can't be serious. You expressed an opinion and someone took issue with it. I think that kind of thing happens fairly regularly around here. :) Your efforts and contributions toward beautifying the campus landscape and the front and perimeter of the ARC speak for themselves about your loyalty to Valpo University and Valpo athletics. You're entitled to your opinion as much as the next guy. Like '72 said we've all been on an emotional roller coaster the past few days (weeks?). We're bound to butt heads occasionally. ;) No big deal.
Don't sweat it. Sometimes I have bad vibes remembering the wackiness of how Valpo was going to turn the corner when Rob Harden provided his graciousness in the 83-84 season.
Have to admit that I kind of felt the same way. With that start I was wondering if our guys really felt they belonged on the same court with a top level B1G team. I am so glad they proved me wrong. So... I won't be casting any stones.
This team is so resilient. And mature beyond its collective age. I think they learned (and we learned as well, cuz I was thinking the same early thoughts, paul) that next year no opponent is to be feared and being behind at any point in a game is just a matter of time. It's all about confidence. Although I did not see the Mizzou game, I'll bet we played poorly because of stage fright early in the season. Same for UNM. But our kids grew from that -- fast. Next year is a whole new ball game -- can't wait to see them up against good OOC opponents (if they'll schedule us :( )
I felt the same way.
That was not one of Maryland's better games this season -- we caught that team on an off night -- but we played without fear against a team that, when playing well, could beat anyone but Kentucky.
If we lose to a Mizzou or Nebraska during the regular season next time, I will be very disappointed. But I think we have exorcised the Big Team" curse.
Quote from: atkins on March 22, 2015, 07:13:03 PM
I felt the same way.
That was not one of Maryland's better games this season -- we caught that team on an off night -- but we played without fear against a team that, when playing well, could beat anyone but Kentucky.
If we lose to a Mizzou or Nebraska during the regular season next time, I will be very disappointed. But I think we have exorcised the Big Team" curse.
What basis do you have for discrediting Valpo's effort and saying Maryland had an off game? I don't get this at all. Is it that you take the AP poll literally? My perception is that Maryland had a normal game and the Valpo's strength was misjudged by many because of the statistical weakness of the Horizon League (which itself may have been slightly misjudged).
Quote from: Valpower on March 23, 2015, 12:40:15 PM
Quote from: atkins on March 22, 2015, 07:13:03 PM
I felt the same way.
That was not one of Maryland's better games this season -- we caught that team on an off night -- but we played without fear against a team that, when playing well, could beat anyone but Kentucky.
If we lose to a Mizzou or Nebraska during the regular season next time, I will be very disappointed. But I think we have exorcised the Big Team" curse.
What basis do you have for discrediting Valpo's effort and saying Maryland had an off game? I don't get this at all. Is it that you take the AP poll literally? My perception is that Maryland had a normal game and the Valpo's strength was misjudged by many because of the statistical weakness of the Horizon League (which itself may have been slightly misjudged).
I don't think either team had an off game. According to ESPN's BPI, both teams had an above average game - Valpo's game BPI was 72.3, vice 67.5 for the season; Maryland's game BPI was 83.4, vice 77.1 for the season.
Quote from: Valpower on March 23, 2015, 12:40:15 PM
Quote from: atkins on March 22, 2015, 07:13:03 PM
I felt the same way.
That was not one of Maryland's better games this season -- we caught that team on an off night -- but we played without fear against a team that, when playing well, could beat anyone but Kentucky.
If we lose to a Mizzou or Nebraska during the regular season next time, I will be very disappointed. But I think we have exorcised the Big Team" curse.
What basis do you have for discrediting Valpo's effort and saying Maryland had an off game? I don't get this at all. Is it that you take the AP poll literally? My perception is that Maryland had a normal game and the Valpo's strength was misjudged by many because of the statistical weakness of the Horizon League (which itself may have been slightly misjudged).
Nobody has discredited Valpo's efforts but we shot only 8 of 27 from 2 and displayed no inside game at all. Had we missed a couple more 3 point shots (12 of 27) and maybe added 2 more TOs (a few near misses) then suddenly our 3 point loss might have expanded to 9 or 12 or even 15. I think my pre game assessment that we could win by 3 or lose by 15 was pretty accurate.
Having watched almost all of the 3, 4, and 5 seed teams play I can think of none in that group that I clearly would have preferred to play. We matched up about as well with them as anybody and we still lost. On the other hand we gained some confidence and should return more 14-15 minutes, experience and scoring than almost the entirety of college basketball. I have been waiting for next year since before this year began so being 8 months ahead of schedule doesn't bother me at all but we still have a little ways to go.
Quote from: justducky on March 23, 2015, 02:15:40 PM
Nobody has discredited Valpo's efforts but we shot only 8 of 27 from 2 and displayed no inside game at all. Had we missed a couple more 3 point shots (12 of 27) and maybe added 2 more TOs (a few near misses) then suddenly our 3 point loss might have expanded to 9 or 12 or even 15. I think my pre game assessment that we could win by 3 or lose by 15 was pretty accurate.
Having watched almost all of the 3, 4, and 5 seed teams play I can think of none in that group that I clearly would have preferred to play. We matched up about as well with them as anybody and we still lost. On the other hand we gained some confidence and should return more 14-15 minutes, experience and scoring than almost the entirety of college basketball. I have been waiting for next year since before this year began so being 8 months ahead of schedule doesn't bother me at all but we still have a little ways to go.
So, it sounds like we had an off game as well. Or do they get the credit for "shutting us down" inside? Sorry, but to say that your opponent had an uncharacteristically bad game is to basically say that you had no hand in it.
Quote from: justducky on March 23, 2015, 02:15:40 PM
Quote from: Valpower on March 23, 2015, 12:40:15 PM
Quote from: atkins on March 22, 2015, 07:13:03 PM
I felt the same way.
That was not one of Maryland's better games this season -- we caught that team on an off night -- but we played without fear against a team that, when playing well, could beat anyone but Kentucky.
If we lose to a Mizzou or Nebraska during the regular season next time, I will be very disappointed. But I think we have exorcised the Big Team" curse.
What basis do you have for discrediting Valpo's effort and saying Maryland had an off game? I don't get this at all. Is it that you take the AP poll literally? My perception is that Maryland had a normal game and the Valpo's strength was misjudged by many because of the statistical weakness of the Horizon League (which itself may have been slightly misjudged).
Nobody has discredited Valpo's efforts but we shot only 8 of 27 from 2 and displayed no inside game at all. Had we missed a couple more 3 point shots (12 of 27) and maybe added 2 more TOs (a few near misses) then suddenly our 3 point loss might have expanded to 9 or 12 or even 15. I think my pre game assessment that we could win by 3 or lose by 15 was pretty accurate.
Having watched almost all of the 3, 4, and 5 seed teams play I can think of none in that group that I clearly would have preferred to play. We matched up about as well with them as anybody and we still lost. On the other hand we gained some confidence and should return more 14-15 minutes, experience and scoring than almost the entirety of college basketball. I have been waiting for next year since before this year began so being 8 months ahead of schedule doesn't bother me at all but we still have a little ways to go.
Had Maryland missed a few more 3 point shots (uh, just 1) and we made a couple more free throws (again, 1), we win. See, I can cherry pick stats too!
If jubril works on his defense and gets in better shape, he will be much better. He gets winded fast which leads to him getting burned on defense. His offense is really pretty good. He can finish a lot better at the rim than Vashil. Just my opinion.
Can you imagine valpo running e Victor, skara, peters, hammink, and jubril. ..everyone would be 6'8 or better
Quote from: truth219 on March 23, 2015, 02:59:55 PM
Can you imagine valpo running e Victor, skara, peters, hammink, and jubril. ..everyone would be 6'8 or better
Who's handling the ball? It's not EVic, he'll have a TO every other possession without a true guard helping him out.
I think e Victor has a high ceiling as a pg...He will be 100% next season
Quote from: truth219 on March 23, 2015, 02:59:55 PM
Can you imagine valpo running e Victor, skara, peters, hammink, and jubril. ..everyone would be 6'8 or better
You raise an interesting scenario. I can imagine the defensive pressure with the long arms of E, David, Alec and Shane all out there together. OK, throw in Keith! Lots of problems for our opponents. Oh, and if Valpo had just shot their season FT average, we would have tied the game! ;D
I can see our height, talent, star power, and depth wrecking havoc in the horizon next season
Since we're in the apology topic, I'm going to use it to say things I might be sorry for. Doug gottlieb is a awful annoucer, I think he's full of :censored:, he's a criminal theif, and really needs a good ass beating. I just can't stand him
I thought the announcers were subpar and pretty boring. No apologies there.
Gottlieb and Eagle have been, by far, the worst announcers of the tournament. Not surprised at all that people are complaining about his call. Anderson, Alpert, Nantz, and of course Harlan all do a great job.
I compare Doug Gottlieb to Kirk Herbstreit. Both overanalyze so they have some kind of point, but it's mostly that the only teams that matter are in the Power 5 conferences that make money for the NCAA and their schools. Gottlieb is so obsessed with himself that he said that Valpo was 9 of 6 from the free throw line, when we were 9 of 16...how do you manage to bumble that, besides not caring about anything more than the dollar signs in your contract for these games.
Ian Eagle is an NBA play by play guy for the Nets, and he's not interesting at all, even with his regular partner of Jim Spanarkel, who worked this tournament with someone else, maybe Verne Lundquist? Either way, some of the broadcast teams CBS hired just need to go. They don't have a clue about the college game, or they just don't care enough to look as though they do enough homework on the college game.
Quote from: a3uge on March 23, 2015, 08:31:00 PMGottlieb and Eagle have been, by far, the worst announcers of the tournament. Not surprised at all that people are complaining about his call. Anderson, Alpert, Nantz, and of course Harlan all do a great job.
First let me say that I have watched a fair amount of Maryland this year (Wife originally from DC and all of my inlaws still live there) and was very impressed with Melo Trimble. Extremely poised PG who sees the floor very well and has that uncanny ability to "attract" fouls and get to the line. He also does an exceptional job on the boards despite not being a great leaper. That all being said.... if I had to hear one more compliment or "in awe" statement from Gottlieb about Trimble I might have gone insane. His ringing endorsement of KC (please note sarcasm) and the occasional compliment to Alec not withstanding, I had hoped to hear someing like "boy, that Tevonn Walker is a nice playrer and only a freshman!". Instead I kept hear things like (with surprise in his voice)"the last time Nickerson shot a 3 it hit the other side of the backboard" and "not being much of a shooter, Darien Walker needs to work on setting better screens" or something to that effect. I get the fact that they had a short period of time to review a whole bunch of teams, but come on Doug, a few sincere compliments would have made the game much more watchable as a Valpo fan.
However, Gottlieb's stint at Notre Dame would be short. During Gottlieb's freshman year, he was charged with stealing credit cards from a roommate and two others and fraudulently charging over $900 to those cards; Gottlieb has since stated that, after paying back the $900, he was allowed to say he was leaving Notre Dame, when in fact he was expelled.
Quote from: wh on March 24, 2015, 09:40:41 AM
However, Gottlieb's stint at Notre Dame would be short. During Gottlieb's freshman year, he was charged with stealing credit cards from a roommate and two others and fraudulently charging over $900 to those cards; Gottlieb has since stated that, after paying back the $900, he was allowed to say he was leaving Notre Dame, when in fact he was expelled.
What a jerk.
I guess he has since changed - maybe it was a wake-up call.
You are right...Gottlieb is terrible. Either Melo T is a relative of his or he carries Melo's bags. It is obvious that he has no use for Valpo and loves the "big schools' and Maryland.
Quote from: FWalum on March 24, 2015, 08:12:03 AMif I had to hear one more compliment or "in awe" statement from Gottlieb about Trimble I might have gone insane. His ringing endorsement of KC (please note sarcasm) and the occasional compliment to Alec not withstanding, I had hoped to hear someing like "boy, that Tevonn Walker is a nice playrer and only a freshman!".
I couldn't remember Gotliebs' name when I called him a meathead but I stand by that definition and think it might be a little too charitable. Many comments on Maryland being young but none on VU.
Speaking of young teams we have already commented on Illinois St returning a strong team that might be a candidate for our schedule but Tulsa I believe has no seniors. Even after the big loss to Murray St they were sitting at either 46 or 48 on Warren Nolan. I wonder if we could consider a trip to Oklahoma for a twofer with those schools coming up here in a return during 16-17?
Quote from: justducky on March 24, 2015, 02:00:05 PMEven after the big loss to Murray St they were sitting at either 46 or 48 on Warren Nolan.
By way of RPI evolution and further tangenting this thread.
Seems like our RPI's continued to slide, almost day by day, since we stopped playing. Down to 57 now.
And the Horizon League's has slid as well, maybe? I've not watched it closely. Currently Warren Nolan has us way down at 17. Below West Coast, MVC, NJIT's-Independent-Conference-of-One, MAC, Mountain West, Ivy, Big West, and CUSA. As well as the rest of the usual suspects. Ouch.
On the bright side, Murray State's continuing run in the NIT has pushed them to 46 and given us a top-50 win. It should maybe be no surprise, but they probably have a reasonable shot at winning the thing.
Quote from: agibson on March 24, 2015, 03:45:59 PM
On the bright side, Murray State's continuing run in the NIT has pushed them to 46 and given us a top-50 win. It should maybe be no surprise, but they probably have a reasonable shot at winning the thing.
Quote from: agibson on March 24, 2015, 03:45:00 PM
Quote from: justducky on March 24, 2015, 02:00:05 PMEven after the big loss to Murray St they were sitting at either 46 or 48 on Warren Nolan.
By way of RPI evolution and further tangenting this thread.
Seems like our RPI's continued to slide, almost day by day, since we stopped playing. Down to 57 now.
And the Horizon League's has slid as well, maybe? I've not watched it closely. Currently Warren Nolan has us way down at 17. Below West Coast, MVC, NJIT's-Independent-Conference-of-One, MAC, Mountain West, Ivy, Big West, and CUSA. As well as the rest of the usual suspects. Ouch.
Eh, RPI at this point is irrelevant.
Quote from: a3uge on March 24, 2015, 03:51:53 PMRPI at this point is irrelevant.
so you're saying "RIP RPI"?
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Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on March 24, 2015, 09:11:14 PM
Quote from: a3uge on March 24, 2015, 03:51:53 PMRPI at this point is irrelevant.
so you're saying "RIP RPI"?
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Bryce Drew to RPI. Done deal.
Quote from: a3uge on March 24, 2015, 09:12:18 PMBryce Drew to RPI. Done deal.
because he got tired of the high school gym
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and wants someone to splurge on the latest fads in uniformz
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