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Title: Game #3 - Coppin State Eagles, @ARC, Monday Nov 14, 2016 7:00pm
Post by: talksalot on November 13, 2016, 05:59:08 PM
Coppin appears to have played well in their opener at Hofstra

http://coppinstatesports.com/news/2016/11/13/mens-basketball-coppin-state-eagles-basketball-comes-up-short-in-season-opener-to-hofstra.aspx

Not a lot of height... nobody over 6-8...

Here's the box score from the Hofstra Pride...
http://coppinstatesports.com/boxscore.aspx?path=mbball&id=1406

8-deep rotation, and 40%+ from 3pt range

Coppin State picked 10th in the MEAC (out of 13)

Let's start strong... and stay there.  We need to solid momentum heading into the next 2 weeks.




Title: Re: Game #3 - Coppin State Eagles, @ARC, Monday Nov 14, 2016 7:00pm
Post by: VUfan on November 13, 2016, 06:29:00 PM
This will be a good test. The team will need up it's team defense to win, a Challenge.  :)
Title: Re: Game #3 - Coppin State Eagles, @ARC, Monday Nov 14, 2016 7:00pm
Post by: talksalot on November 13, 2016, 07:13:00 PM
A note about Hofstra... (Coppin's only opponent)

Colonial Athletic News:   Hofstra was chosen sixth behind UNCW, Towson, William & Mary, Charleston and James Madison. Following the Pride, Northeastern, Elon, Drexel and Delaware rounded out the poll.

Hofstra went 24-10 in 2015-16, winning the regular season CAA title and advancing to the National Invitation Tournament. It marked the most wins for the program since the 2005-06 squad won 26 games.... but graduated 4 of 5 starters.
Title: Re: Game #3 - Coppin State Eagles, @ARC, Monday Nov 14, 2016 7:00pm
Post by: SanityLost17 on November 14, 2016, 07:16:12 AM
Agree with posts from other threads about our big men.  Definitely need Smits/J to learn quickly on the job this season. However, my bigger concern is outside shooting.  We need 2 guys outside of Peters to become legitimate 3 point shooting threats.  If this doesn't happen we will have a very up and down season.  Plenty of really good wins mixed with some really bad loses.
Title: Re: Game #3 - Coppin State Eagles, @ARC, Monday Nov 14, 2016 7:00pm
Post by: valporun on November 14, 2016, 08:39:40 AM
All I hope to see in the first half is the guys get off to a hot shooting start, and make our first two games look like complete aberrations of what our season will be. It just seemed like the 1st half rim had a protective glass around it that we forgot to remove before the game. Maybe it was cockiness about the inferior opponent, or it was just a little worn out from the Southern Utah opener on Friday, but we were so flat that a pancake had more depth to it than we did. I hope J and Smits start to show their potential soon, because they looked like fish out of water in both of the weekend games. I'll give Smits the "haven't played in a year" card, but Sorolla is still too raw. I mean sure he has YouTube video out there, but many of you know that I have give high school stats and game action very little to nothing for attention because we don't always know the quality of opponents from the stats, or even the video.

For me, the jury is still out on this team, and might not have a real idea of what to expect until after BYU rematch/St. Louis, or into December.
Title: Re: Game #3 - Coppin State Eagles, @ARC, Monday Nov 14, 2016 7:00pm
Post by: covufan on November 14, 2016, 09:15:17 AM
Is this the game to fix our shooting, or will our legs be tired from two games in the previous 72 hours?  I'm thinking we'll bounce back.

Like the rebounding I see from J, or is it Jay, Ja??

Valpo          86
Coppin St    59
Title: Re: Game #3 - Coppin State Eagles, @ARC, Monday Nov 14, 2016 7:00pm
Post by: vusupporter on November 14, 2016, 11:11:18 AM
We've been spoiled the last three years with experienced big men. Think we're already seeing the difference down low this year. Remember, these are both freshmen - think back to Vashil his freshman year.
Title: Re: Game #3 - Coppin State Eagles, @ARC, Monday Nov 14, 2016 7:00pm
Post by: vu84v2 on November 14, 2016, 11:14:11 AM
Valpo wins, but still struggles with perimeter defense and getting quality minutes from the bigs other than Jubril.

Valpo 85
Coppin State 77
Title: Re: Game #3 - Coppin State Eagles, @ARC, Monday Nov 14, 2016 7:00pm
Post by: talksalot on November 14, 2016, 11:15:31 AM
Quote from: covufan on November 14, 2016, 09:15:17 AMLike the rebounding I see from J, or is it Jay, Ja??

The First Name Spelling:   JAUME
The pronunciation guide:   HOW-may
The Catalonian Accent:  roll-the "H"-may

The teammates just call him "J"

Last Name Spelling:  Sorolla
Last name:  So-ROY-Ya

Title: Re: Game #3 - Coppin State Eagles, @ARC, Monday Nov 14, 2016 7:00pm
Post by: covufan on November 14, 2016, 11:45:47 AM
Quote from: talksalot on November 14, 2016, 11:15:31 AM
Quote from: covufan on November 14, 2016, 09:15:17 AMLike the rebounding I see from J, or is it Jay, Ja??

The First Name Spelling:   JAUME
The pronunciation guide:   HOW-may
The Catalonian Accent:  roll-the "H"-may

The teammates just call him "J"

Last Name Spelling:  Sorolla
Last name:  So-ROY-Ya


Thanks!  When listening, I picked up on the "J" nickname, but was unsure how he/teammates were spelling the name.

Given the "H" nature of the pronunciation, should we be calling him the "H-Factor" or "H-Man"?

Of course, if "J" is what his teammates use, then "J" it is!
Title: Re: Game #3 - Coppin State Eagles, @ARC, Monday Nov 14, 2016 7:00pm
Post by: agibson on November 14, 2016, 01:56:32 PM
Quote from: talksalot on November 14, 2016, 11:15:31 AMThe First Name Spelling:   JAUME
The pronunciation guide:   HOW-may
The Catalonian Accent: 

Ah! Is at a Catalan name? (I'd not realized he was from Catalonia.) I'd been really wondering how to pronounce what felt more like a Portuguese name on a Spaniard.
Title: Re: Game #3 - Coppin State Eagles, @ARC, Monday Nov 14, 2016 7:00pm
Post by: humbleopinion on November 14, 2016, 05:13:01 PM
Quote from: talksalot on November 14, 2016, 11:15:31 AM
Quote from: covufan on November 14, 2016, 09:15:17 AMLike the rebounding I see from J, or is it Jay, Ja??

The First Name Spelling:   JAUME
The pronunciation guide:   HOW-may
The Catalonian Accent:  roll-the "H"-may

The teammates just call him "J"



Last Name Spelling:  Sorolla
Last name:  So-ROY-Ya



How do you "roll an H"?
Title: Re: Game #3 - Coppin State Eagles, @ARC, Monday Nov 14, 2016 7:00pm
Post by: agibson on November 14, 2016, 05:40:44 PM
Quote from: humbleopinion on November 14, 2016, 05:13:01 PMHow do you "roll an H"?

The description struck me as odd too. But, it made sense in the end.

I think it's probably not so different from how you "roll" an r in French, say the initial "r" in "regarder". Which "r" has serious shades of an "h" anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oPA-I8Mnxo

seems reasonably on target for Jaume. At least, it's about what I was guessing and sounds authoritative!
Title: Re: Game #3 - Coppin State Eagles, @ARC, Monday Nov 14, 2016 7:00pm
Post by: oklahomamick on November 14, 2016, 05:51:50 PM
The game will be aired on espn3.  But there is no line for game? 
Title: Re: Game #3 - Coppin State Eagles, @ARC, Monday Nov 14, 2016 7:00pm
Post by: agibson on November 14, 2016, 06:40:50 PM
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Title: Re: Game #3 - Coppin State Eagles, @ARC, Monday Nov 14, 2016 7:00pm
Post by: a3uge on November 14, 2016, 08:02:52 PM
Shooting woes haven't really vanished yet. Maybe they're getting it all out of their system?
Title: Re: Game #3 - Coppin State Eagles, @ARC, Monday Nov 14, 2016 7:00pm
Post by: wh on November 14, 2016, 08:32:57 PM
If this is the new Max Joseph, our prospects for a big season just improved dramatically.
Title: Re: Game #3 - Coppin State Eagles, @ARC, Monday Nov 14, 2016 7:00pm
Post by: a3uge on November 14, 2016, 08:33:51 PM
Quote from: wh on November 14, 2016, 08:32:57 PM
If this is the new Max Joseph, our prospects for a big season just improved dramatically.
If this is the new Alec Peters, it doesn't.
Title: Re: Game #3 - Coppin State Eagles, @ARC, Monday Nov 14, 2016 7:00pm
Post by: VU2014 on November 14, 2016, 08:58:49 PM
78-58 Valpo win. It wasn't pretty but a win is a win. Our first 3 games have been textbook definitions of "winning ugly". I thought we looked a little better tonight as team but still a work in progress.
Title: Re: Game #3 - Coppin State Eagles, @ARC, Monday Nov 14, 2016 7:00pm
Post by: govalpogo on November 14, 2016, 09:05:15 PM
Better...but still not where they can/should be.  Hit the open shots at even an average rate and Valpo's easily up in the 90's with this win.  Perhaps the most tenuous undefeated start since the 2009 team started 2-0 (finished 9-22).  I think this team will finish closer to the reverse of that record but games like this one upcoming against Oregon could be tough to watch if the level of play doesn't get turned up.  Maybe getting out of the ARC will help the team clear their heads shooting wise.  Maybe Tevonn will be a big piece returning.  Should be interesting to watch. 

Overall, we needed to be 3-0 at this point and we are indeed 3-0!  Go Valpo Go!  Continue playing to your competition's level!  ;)
Title: Re: Game #3 - Coppin State Eagles, @ARC, Monday Nov 14, 2016 7:00pm
Post by: frontrowfan on November 14, 2016, 09:47:34 PM
Had 3 front teeth repaired
Title: Re: Game #3 - Coppin State Eagles, @ARC, Monday Nov 14, 2016 7:00pm
Post by: frontrowfan on November 14, 2016, 09:49:16 PM
Had 3 front teeth repaired
Title: Re: Game #3 - Coppin State Eagles, @ARC, Monday Nov 14, 2016 7:00pm
Post by: wh on November 14, 2016, 10:35:15 PM
Shane and Max were great tonight. Very encouraging.
Title: Re: Game #3 - Coppin State Eagles, @ARC, Monday Nov 14, 2016 7:00pm
Post by: vu84v2 on November 15, 2016, 07:13:54 AM
Quote from: a3uge on November 14, 2016, 08:33:51 PM
Quote from: wh on November 14, 2016, 08:32:57 PM
If this is the new Max Joseph, our prospects for a big season just improved dramatically.
If this is the new Alec Peters, it doesn't.

Alec Peters has done everything that anyone can ask of him during his time at Valpo. He was very good, steadily improved from there, and is a great representative of the program. I am sure that no one feels worse about his shooting issues early in the season than Alec and I am sure that he will do everything he can to fix them. Also, while Valpo has not played any tough opponents, Peters is still attracting huge defensive pressure.
Title: Re: Game #3 - Coppin State Eagles, @ARC, Monday Nov 14, 2016 7:00pm
Post by: SanityLost17 on November 15, 2016, 07:35:52 AM
I think Lottich has told Peters to take A LOT more shots this season and we are seeing Peters adjusting to this role.  This is what is leading to some early misses.   Last year he was "the man" but still played within the offense.  I see him pushing the issue a lot more so far this year, which is something that he is not used to.

This will be an interesting story line going forward.  Does Lottich trust the shooting of everyone outside of Peters.  AKA -  Which is better...Peters taking an average shot or everyone else taking a good shot?   
Title: Re: Game #3 - Coppin State Eagles, @ARC, Monday Nov 14, 2016 7:00pm
Post by: VU2014 on November 15, 2016, 08:56:49 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujiYCVCIXCA
Title: Re: Game #3 - Coppin State Eagles, @ARC, Monday Nov 14, 2016 7:00pm
Post by: justducky on November 15, 2016, 09:11:39 AM
Max is reminding me of a junior LaVonte Dority. All of a sudden he and we are seeing what muscular determination can accomplish on the floor. As long as he has the first step the refs seem to be allowing some defensive contact on him because the defenders are all bouncing harmlessly away. As for Micah, Jaume and Derrick, I am not seeing much that a long season on the court will not cure. It will require time and patience but watching these kids develop should be fun.
Title: Re: Game #3 - Coppin State Eagles, @ARC, Monday Nov 14, 2016 7:00pm
Post by: M on November 15, 2016, 01:39:35 PM
Excellent comparison.  I've been very surprised with how much the team has got from Max on the offensive end of the court so far this young season.
Title: Re: Game #3 - Coppin State Eagles, @ARC, Monday Nov 14, 2016 7:00pm
Post by: bbtds on November 15, 2016, 01:55:14 PM
Quote from: frontrowfan on November 14, 2016, 09:47:34 PM
Had 3 front teeth repaired
Quote from: frontrowfan on November 14, 2016, 09:47:34 PM
Had 3 front teeth repaired

You didn't cover the third tooth yet.
Title: Re: Game #3 - Coppin State Eagles, @ARC, Monday Nov 14, 2016 7:00pm
Post by: bbtds on November 15, 2016, 01:58:34 PM
Quote from: vu84v2 on November 14, 2016, 11:14:11 AM
Valpo wins, but still struggles with perimeter defense and getting quality minutes from the bigs other than Jubril.

Valpo 85
Coppin State 77

Good prediction. Players with first names for surnames were quite impressive. I once had an Uncle Hamminck. Or did my uncle sleep in a hammock?
Title: Re: Game #3 - Coppin State Eagles, @ARC, Monday Nov 14, 2016 7:00pm
Post by: bbtds on November 15, 2016, 04:48:45 PM
Quote from: SanityLost17 on November 15, 2016, 07:35:52 AM
I think Lottich has told Peters to take A LOT more shots this season and we are seeing Peters adjusting to this role.  This is what is leading to some early misses.   Last year he was "the man" but still played within the offense.  I see him pushing the issue a lot more so far this year, which is something that he is not used to.

This will be an interesting story line going forward.  Does Lottich trust the shooting of everyone outside of Peters.  AKA -  Which is better...Peters taking an average shot or everyone else taking a good shot?   

I think the lay up misses are the most disturbing part of Peters' shooting. We know he can be excellent at this and when he misses we are conditioned to expect better. I believe Alec will get better at his percentage of made lay ups because he is such a big game player. What concerns me is that if it doesn't happen against Oregon on Thursday, Nov. 17. two days from today will Valpo get blown out.