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Title: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: valpo04 on July 03, 2013, 04:50:27 PM
Brad Stevens will be the next coach of the Boston Celtics, Butler University announced in a press release Wednesday.

Stevens, who just finished sixth season at the school, led the Bulldogs to consecutive national title games in 2010 and 2011.

"Our family is thrilled for the opportunity given to us by the leadership of the Boston Celtics, but it is emotional to leave a place that we have called home for the past 13 years," Stevens said in a statement.

"We truly love Butler University and Indianapolis, and are very thankful to have had the opportunity to celebrate so many wonderful things together. What makes Butler truly unique is the people that we have been so blessed to work with. When it comes time for our kids to look at schools, we will start with Butler University." Stevens and his wife, Tracy, have a young son and daughter.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/celtics/2013/07/03/brad-stevens-boston-celtics-coach/2487881/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/celtics/2013/07/03/brad-stevens-boston-celtics-coach/2487881/)
Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: Chairback on July 03, 2013, 04:53:12 PM
ouch for Butler...
Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: valpogal on July 03, 2013, 05:05:18 PM
My, my, my.
Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: LaPorteAveApostle on July 03, 2013, 05:10:05 PM
ummmmmmmmmmmm

(http://gamedayr.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/butler-brad-stevens-freak-out-GIF-570x379.jpg)
WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY DID YOU DO THAT?!?!?

(incidentally, the #1 google image hit for "brad stevens freak out", above, is actually from our site, from my Valpo Memes page. so. there's that.)
Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: covufan on July 03, 2013, 05:37:17 PM
Wow.  I never considered that the NBA would be after him, or that he would be interested.  Congrats to him, and his bank account!
Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: valpotx on July 03, 2013, 05:44:17 PM
Wow, didn't see that coming.  Hopefully Butler doesn't want to take away any of our coaches  :)
Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: covufan on July 03, 2013, 05:54:42 PM
Quote from: valpotx on July 03, 2013, 05:44:17 PM
Wow, didn't see that coming.  Hopefully Butler doesn't want to take away any of our coaches  :)
I doubt it - they do it the Butler way!  Or did the Butler do it?
Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: valpopal on July 03, 2013, 06:04:34 PM
Already heard Bryce Drew mentioned as a possibility to replace Stevens on a radio sports program in Indy. :(

Then again, Scott Drew is the Butler alum!  ;)
Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: LaPorteAveApostle on July 03, 2013, 06:22:39 PM
Quote from: valpopal on July 03, 2013, 06:04:34 PMAlready heard Bryce Drew mentioned as a possibility to replace Stevens on a radio sports program in Indy.
I would think that Bryce knows that this would be the one unpardonable sin against the Holy Spirit.
Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: usc4valpo on July 03, 2013, 06:48:33 PM
This move is very shocking to hear. The Baby Assassin coach hit the jackpot.  How he adjusts to the NBA will be interesting.  However, the Celtics management has been very successful for a long time, so we will see.

As for Bryce, I see him going to ND or Depaul before Butler.
Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: bmlvu97 on July 03, 2013, 07:00:24 PM
I have a feeling that Bryce's phone is already ringing...Hopefully the university has the checkbook ready just in case...
Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: LaPorteAveApostle on July 03, 2013, 07:07:48 PM
Baby Assassin?  Hmm...well you'd think one of those would fit it great in New England these days.

At any rate, Bob Kravitz either knows something we don't know, or is an idiot.  You decide:
QuoteThis is a blow to the program, quite clearly, especially when they're [Butler] on the cusp of stepping up a weight class to enter the Big Ten.
http://www.indystar.com/article/20130703/SPORTS0605/307030108/Bob-Kravitz-Butler-coach-Brad-Stevens-his-decision-join-Boston-Celtics (http://www.indystar.com/article/20130703/SPORTS0605/307030108/Bob-Kravitz-Butler-coach-Brad-Stevens-his-decision-join-Boston-Celtics)
Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: vu72 on July 03, 2013, 09:09:19 PM
One silly move after another by Boston. First they trade Garnett and Pierce and probably Rondo as well as their coach, and now, hire a kid with a total of six years experience? My guess is he makes a move to get Howard on his team as he is the reason for his new position.  Look, the guy finished third or fourth in the Horizon and then third or fourth in the A-10 over the last two years.  Ex Matt Howard and Gordon Hayward he has accomplished what??

Now, a 36 year old is not trying to convinced high school kids about the family environment, high academics and small class size of Butler but rather dealing with a bunch of guys nearly his age (or older) who are wondering when he started to shave.

Notwithstanding his sizable contract, this will be a disaster for both parties.
Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: 78crusader on July 03, 2013, 10:01:21 PM
If I'm Butler, Bryce is on my short list.  Kinda worried.

Paul
Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: bbtds on July 03, 2013, 10:08:29 PM
Quote from: valpopal on July 03, 2013, 06:04:34 PM
Already heard Bryce Drew mentioned as a possibility to replace Stevens on a radio sports program in Indy. :(

Then again, Scott Drew is the Butler alum!  ;)

Saw this on the Butler board:

Just saw on ESPN that Brad's contract is for 6 years/$22 million.

Happy for Brad. Absolutely hate the timing. I've seen LaVall's name come up, and Brandon Miller as well. Anyone thing
[sic] that Barry might take a look at someone like a Bryce Drew?


I don't think Bryce wants the Butler job because it's just slightly better than the Mississippi State job. The thing it has going for it is that Butler is in Indiana. Bryce would have to get the kind of money Butler was paying Brad Stevens in order to go to Butler.

Also this may be a bad move by Boston, only time will tell, but it's not a bad move by Stevens as he will be making close to $4 million a year and if he fails in the NBA he can come back to the college ranks like Pitino, Calipari and many others and be very successful and make a ton of money. When he comes back to the college ranks he might make a little less per year but he can go to BCS program right away.
Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: valpopal on July 03, 2013, 10:56:19 PM
Seriously and selfishly, I am thinking rather than select Bryce, Butler would follow its past patterns and choose someone molded within their system, most likely LaVall Jordan or Brandon Miller, both of whom seem prepared to step up.

I'll take a shot and offer my best guess that Butler will choose LaVall Jordan, and the school will enter the Big East with an African American head coach.
Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: wh on July 03, 2013, 11:05:43 PM
I think Butler was going to struggle this year, even with Stevens.  They lost a lot from last year's team and have not recruited up to the level of several other programs in the new Big East.  Plus, who knows but what one or more of their new recruits will leave now that Stevens has pulled out and left them high and dry. Whoever takes over could be in for a rough ride.  I can't imagine Bryce being interested in even having a conversation with anyone from Butler.  The same probably goes for any number of other successful D-1 coaches -  maybe 2 months ago, but not now that they've already started into a new season.  The bottom line is I think Butler will be looking to land the best asst. coach they can find in D-1.   
Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: valpotx on July 03, 2013, 11:35:54 PM
I will say that if Bryce even interviews for the Butler job, it is a huge fail on the part of our athletic department.  That is the one job our administration should make sure we don't lose anyone to
Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: VULB#62 on July 04, 2013, 12:01:42 AM
A New Englander's input: 

What was Ainge smoking?????  Stevens has proven his worth at the college level -- that's a no brainer.  But  Boston?  That's a pressure cooker unlike any other than NYC.  He will be consumed................................. But when he is fired he will have, at 38 (I give him 2 years before he and Ainge are esorted out of town on a rail, millions of $$$ and not have to work again for the rest of his life.

Butler hires from within.  Bryce may be discused but he will stay at Valpo.  IF.. IF.. IF.. IF.. the admisistration sees the potential, this turn of events could push Valpo to the top of the BB ladder in Indiana for non-B1G programs. 
Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: LaPorteAveApostle on July 04, 2013, 10:00:49 AM
Quote from: wh on July 03, 2013, 11:05:43 PMin the new Big East
c'mon, wh, i posted the Kravitz link mostly for you.  figured you'd be all over that.
Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: usc4valpo on July 04, 2013, 10:18:53 AM
Quote from: vu72 on July 03, 2013, 09:09:19 PMOne silly move after another by Boston. First they trade Garnett and Pierce and probably Rondo as well as their coach, and now, hire a kid with a total of six years experience? My guess is he makes a move to get Howard on his team as he is the reason for his new position. Look, the guy finished third or fourth in the Horizon and then third or fourth in the A-10 over the last two years. Ex Matt Howard and Gordon Hayward he has accomplished what?? Now, a 36 year old is not trying to convinced high school kids about the family environment, high academics and small class size of Butler but rather dealing with a bunch of guys nearly his age (or older) who are wondering when he started to shave. Notwithstanding his sizable contract, this will be a disaster for both parties.
Hmm...I am not sure I agree.  The Celtics throughout time have made radical decisions and have been more more successful with them than not.  Garnett and Pierce are in the twilight of their careers, and with their current staff they are not close to compete for an NBA title.  In the NBA, a bad place is to be a ritual 7th or 8th seed with no stars inthe pipeline.  In general, regarding the Celtics, they have had tremendous success and they have made many more better moves than mistakes.

As for Stevens - how do you really say he has not succeeded?    Butler was in 2 national championship games and almost won.  Looking back, that is incredible, more impressive than what Calipari, Crean and Izzo have done.   Their talent compared to their competition in later tournament games was much inferior but they were better teams.  Stevens' job perfromance at Butler was remarkable and higher exceeded expectations.  Something tells me the Celtics are being clever in this decision - Stevens is not a goofball like Westhead, Calipari or some of these other college coaches who failed who coaching ion the NBA.  We will see.



Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: wh on July 04, 2013, 02:25:03 PM
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on July 04, 2013, 10:00:49 AM
Quote from: wh on July 03, 2013, 11:05:43 PMin the new Big East
c'mon, wh, i posted the Kravitz link mostly for you.  figured you'd be all over that.

Missed it. Too late now - it has to be spontaneous.  ;)
Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: LaPorteAveApostle on July 04, 2013, 02:40:29 PM
Quote from: wh on July 04, 2013, 02:25:03 PMMissed it. Too late now - it has to be spontaneous.
They fixed the typo too, but it was too good.  Should have screenshotted for any doubters.
Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: bbtds on July 04, 2013, 05:01:01 PM
Quote from: wh on July 03, 2013, 11:05:43 PMPlus, who knows but what one or more of their new recruits will leave now that Stevens has pulled out and left them high and dry. Whoever takes over could be in for a rough ride.

Quote from Nolan Berry, incoming Butler freshman player from DeSmet High School in St Louis:
"I'm a little bit surprised. His name has been out there for a while, though, so you knew it would always been an option for him to leave.

"He actually called me. We were going to have a team meeting and I couldn't make it. He said he was sorry to leave. I'm grateful for him recruiting me and having the chance to play for him, even for a couple weeks.

"I don't really have a plan. I'm coming back on Sunday. I'm just going to take my time and see who they hire and see what happens. I'll keep my options open."
Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: setshot on July 05, 2013, 10:43:41 AM
Stevens is a bad fit for Boston. He not only lacks NBA experience,he's also a cultural misfit. The "Hick from French Lick" made it as a player,but a clodhooper Hoosier basketball coach - give me a break.In two or three years from now Stevens will be standing on the banks of the Wabash wishing he was back home again. Book it!
Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: HC on July 05, 2013, 11:02:05 AM
With $22,000,000....a great move by Stevens, not so sure if it was or Boston. When he's fired in 4 or 5 years he will go be the HC at Duke or IU.
Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: a3uge on July 05, 2013, 11:37:31 AM
Not sure why everyone here seems bitter... We finally have a chance to make fun of Butler for being obsessed with someone who left them after Butler fans have been railing against Valpo fans for being so fixated on someone whom they've left. I think the whole thing is incredibly hilarious and I can't wait to read all the threads on their forums about how the Celtics are doing.

As for Boston: they could put the towel boy in as coach, and it wouldn't really make a difference. Coaches in the NBA are pretty pointless.

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Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: vu72 on July 05, 2013, 12:02:46 PM
Not bitter but curious that's all.  Why Boston would take a 22 million dollar chance on a guy with no pro experience.  Bryce would have been a better choice.  Part of the style that made Brad successful included a slow down, many passes, share the ball offense and very tough defense.  It gave his teams the ability to stay close and win in the end.  Very seldom did his team beat the crap out of anybody (like 115 to 60 ala Detroit v. YSU last year) and on the flip side very few teams scored a bunch either.  None of that style, which to his credit worked very well particularly against teams with NBA talent, will succeed in the NBA.  Very little defense (except in the playoffs), offenses that are more Detroit like than Butler as well as a shorter shot clock and the desire by most to shoot as soon as they get the ball.

I certainly think Brad made the right choice for his family and as others have pointed out, win lose or draw he can always come back to a fat paycheck in college.  The money being tossed around is almost offensive to me. I certainly won't pay for tickets to support the rediculous salaries out there.  And to think, Willie Mays never made more than $100,000.  Wow.
Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: ARCInsider on July 05, 2013, 02:18:55 PM
Quote from: vu72 on July 05, 2013, 12:02:46 PM
Not bitter but curious that's all.  Why Boston would take a 22 million dollar chance on a guy with no pro experience.  Bryce would have been a better choice. 

Ok, now you've gone off the deep end.  :)   I like Bryce as much as the next guy, and I think Brad will fail in Boston as much as the next guy, but Brad Stevens has done unprecedented things at a mid-major. 
Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: wh on July 05, 2013, 02:52:30 PM
Quote from: ARCInsider on July 05, 2013, 02:18:55 PM
Quote from: vu72 on July 05, 2013, 12:02:46 PM
Not bitter but curious that's all.  Why Boston would take a 22 million dollar chance on a guy with no pro experience.  Bryce would have been a better choice. 

Ok, now you've gone off the deep end.  :)   ToupI like Bryce as much as the next guy, and I think Brad will fail in Boston as much as the next guy, but Brad Stevens has done unprecedented things at a mid-major. 

Stevens claim to fame is taking one set of players on one mid-major college team to back-to-back national championship games.  It was a phenomenal accomplishment that will never be duplicated by any mid major program - ever.  That said, how in the world does that  translate into him being the best choice in the whole basketball world to become the head coach of the Boston Celtics of the NBA?  To '72's point, I agree that Bryce is 10 times more qualified to coach the Celtics than is Stevens.  He played in the NBA for 6 years.  Stevens attended 6 Pacers games in 6 years.  Bryce has been around elite, egocentric professional athletes.  Stevens has a Labron jersey.  That said Bryce is completely unqualified to be an NBA head coach.  That's how utterly ridiculous this whole thing is.  That is '72's point, and he is 100% correct IMO.

Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: Kyle321n on July 05, 2013, 04:26:49 PM
Quote from: wh on July 05, 2013, 02:52:30 PMStevens has a Labron jersey.

I hope he didn't pay too much for it because he got ripped off.
Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: wh on July 05, 2013, 07:09:51 PM
Trying my best to think like our Milwaukee friends, who always espoused that Butler's success benefited the other 9 programs in the HL in the eyes of the college basketball world:

---Stevens would never have been considered for the Celtics head coaching position if not for Butler's move to the A-10 and subsequently the (watered down) Big East. 
---Butler would never have moved to the A-10 and (watered down) Big East if not for back-to-back runs to the NCAA championship game. 
---Butler would not have made back-to-back runs to the NCAA Championship game without having been prepared by the rough grind of an 18-game Horizon League schedule. 
---Conference play would not have been a rough grind without quality conference opponents. 
---Therefore, we all look good in the eyes of the college basketball world today.

Wow, the benefits of the Butler "trickle down" just never end! ;)
Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: LaPorteAveApostle on July 05, 2013, 07:23:10 PM
Quote from: Kyle321n on July 05, 2013, 04:26:49 PMI hope he didn't pay too much for it because he got ripped off.
Not being spelled "LeBron" should have been the first clue, you're right.

Also "buying it from some dude outside Market Square".
Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: VU75 on July 05, 2013, 07:24:01 PM
I'm not sure if it's the right term, but what is unique about Stevens is his success at understanding and using basketball sabermetrics.  NBA teams are going the way of baseball and grabbing a coach who understand what data is important and how to apply it could be a big advantage.
Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: wh on July 05, 2013, 07:47:50 PM
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on July 05, 2013, 07:23:10 PM
Quote from: Kyle321n on July 05, 2013, 04:26:49 PMI hope he didn't pay too much for it because he got ripped off.
Not being spelled "LeBron" should have been the first clue, you're right.

Also "buying it from some dude outside Market Square".

Not being a LeBron fan, it didn't seem important enough to check. 
Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: usc4valpo on July 05, 2013, 09:31:02 PM
Quote from: vu72 on July 05, 2013, 12:02:46 PMNot bitter but curious that's all. Why Boston would take a 22 million dollar chance on a guy with no pro experience.

Stevens is a coach with analytical basketball experience, which is what they are looking for.  BTW, throughout history, the Celtics have made many more good moves than mistakes. They have 17 championships banners hanging at the Garden.

Bryce would have been a better choice.

Yes, we love Bryce, but you have to be kidding me here.  Stevens is renown as an outstanding coach all over the country.    He's good and gettng better.  Stevens on the other hand is remarkable. 


Part of the style that made Brad successful included a slow down, many passes, share the ball offense and very tough defense. It gave his teams the ability to stay close and win in the end. Very seldom did his team beat the crap out of anybody (like 115 to 60 ala Detroit v. YSU last year) and on the flip side very few teams scored a bunch either. None of that style, which to his credit worked very well particularly against teams with NBA talent, will succeed in the NBA. Very little defense (except in the playoffs), offenses that are more Detroit like than Butler as well as a shorter shot clock and the desire by most to shoot as soon as they get the ball. I certainly think Brad made the right choice for his family and as others have pointed out, win lose or draw he can always come back to a fat paycheck in college. The money being tossed around is almost offensive to me. I certainly won't pay for tickets to support the rediculous salaries out there. And to think, Willie Mays never made more than $100,000. Wow.
Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: ARCInsider on July 05, 2013, 10:49:43 PM
Quote from: wh on July 05, 2013, 02:52:30 PM
Quote from: ARCInsider on July 05, 2013, 02:18:55 PM
Quote from: vu72 on July 05, 2013, 12:02:46 PM
Not bitter but curious that's all.  Why Boston would take a 22 million dollar chance on a guy with no pro experience.  Bryce would have been a better choice. 

Ok, now you've gone off the deep end.  :)   ToupI like Bryce as much as the next guy, and I think Brad will fail in Boston as much as the next guy, but Brad Stevens has done unprecedented things at a mid-major. 

Stevens claim to fame is taking one set of players on one mid-major college team to back-to-back national championship games.  It was a phenomenal accomplishment that will never be duplicated by any mid major program - ever.  That said, how in the world does that  translate into him being the best choice in the whole basketball world to become the head coach of the Boston Celtics of the NBA?  To '72's point, I agree that Bryce is 10 times more qualified to coach the Celtics than is Stevens.  He played in the NBA for 6 years.  Stevens attended 6 Pacers games in 6 years.  Bryce has been around elite, egocentric professional athletes.  Stevens has a Labron jersey.  That said Bryce is completely unqualified to be an NBA head coach.  That's how utterly ridiculous this whole thing is.  That is '72's point, and he is 100% correct IMO.

"I think Brad will fail in Boston" is what I wrote above.  I understood 72's primary point.  I just completely disagreed with his minor point that Bryce would have been a better choice.
Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: EddieCabot on July 08, 2013, 05:22:20 PM
Quote from: wh on July 05, 2013, 02:52:30 PM
Quote from: ARCInsider on July 05, 2013, 02:18:55 PM
Quote from: vu72 on July 05, 2013, 12:02:46 PM
Not bitter but curious that's all.  Why Boston would take a 22 million dollar chance on a guy with no pro experience.  Bryce would have been a better choice. 

Ok, now you've gone off the deep end.  :)   ToupI like Bryce as much as the next guy, and I think Brad will fail in Boston as much as the next guy, but Brad Stevens has done unprecedented things at a mid-major. 

Stevens claim to fame is taking one set of players on one mid-major college team to back-to-back national championship games.  It was a phenomenal accomplishment that will never be duplicated by any mid major program - ever.  That said, how in the world does that  translate into him being the best choice in the whole basketball world to become the head coach of the Boston Celtics of the NBA?  To '72's point, I agree that Bryce is 10 times more qualified to coach the Celtics than is Stevens.  He played in the NBA for 6 years.  Stevens attended 6 Pacers games in 6 years.  Bryce has been around elite, egocentric professional athletes.  Stevens has a Labron jersey.  That said Bryce is completely unqualified to be an NBA head coach.  That's how utterly ridiculous this whole thing is.  That is '72's point, and he is 100% correct IMO.

Given all of this, it appears that Valpo is extremely fortunate to have such a great coach willing to work for a salary that appears to be significantly below market value (Stevens earned $1.2 mm+ at Butler and will get $3.8 mm per at Boston, so Bryce could reasonably expect to earn that or more if he went to the right place).  You guys know better than me, but it appears Bryce is willing to give Valpo the "hometown/alumnus" discount to be their head coach.  Good for him.  It probably doesn't hurt that he banked a bunch of money from his NBA career, so he can do what he really loves instead of chasing the money.

Any guesses on whether Bryce might ever move on?  If so, what opportunity will be most likely to lure him?  College BCS position?  NBA?  Or does he retire from Valpo like his Dad?
Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: wh on July 09, 2013, 04:01:15 PM
Quote from: wh on July 09, 2013, 03:54:04 PM
Quote from: EddieCabot on July 08, 2013, 05:22:20 PM
Quote from: wh on July 05, 2013, 02:52:30 PM
Quote from: ARCInsider on July 05, 2013, 02:18:55 PM
Quote from: vu72 on July 05, 2013, 12:02:46 PM
Not bitter but curious that's all.  Why Boston would take a 22 million dollar chance on a guy with no pro experience.  Bryce would have been a better choice. 

Ok, now you've gone off the deep end.  :)   ToupI like Bryce as much as the next guy, and I think Brad will fail in Boston as much as the next guy, but Brad Stevens has done unprecedented things at a mid-major. 

Stevens claim to fame is taking one set of players on one mid-major college team to back-to-back national championship games.  It was a phenomenal accomplishment that will never be duplicated by any mid major program - ever.  That said, how in the world does that  translate into him being the best choice in the whole basketball world to become the head coach of the Boston Celtics of the NBA?  To '72's point, I agree that Bryce is 10 times more qualified to coach the Celtics than is Stevens.  He played in the NBA for 6 years.  Stevens attended 6 Pacers games in 6 years.  Bryce has been around elite, egocentric professional athletes.  Stevens has a Labron jersey.  That said Bryce is completely unqualified to be an NBA head coach.  That's how utterly ridiculous this whole thing is.  That is '72's point, and he is 100% correct IMO.

Given all of this, it appears that Valpo is extremely fortunate to have such a great coach willing to work for a salary that appears to be significantly below market value (Stevens earned $1.2 mm+ at Butler and will get $3.8 mm per at Boston, so Bryce could reasonably expect to earn that or more if he went to the right place).  You guys know better than me, but it appears Bryce is willing to give Valpo the "hometown/alumnus" discount to be their head coach.  Good for him.  It probably doesn't hurt that he banked a bunch of money from his NBA career, so he can do what he really loves instead of chasing the money.

Any guesses on whether Bryce might ever move on?  If so, what opportunity will be most likely to lure him?  College BCS position?  NBA?  Or does he retire from Valpo like his Dad?

According to an article that just came out in the Indianapolis Star, Larry Bird indicates that Stevens was looking into available NBA positions as far back as 2 to 3 years ago.

http://www.indystar.com/article/20130709/SPORTS04/307090054/What-Larry-Bird-thinks-Brad-Stevens-Paul-George-Pacers-avoiding-luxury-tax (http://www.indystar.com/article/20130709/SPORTS04/307090054/What-Larry-Bird-thinks-Brad-Stevens-Paul-George-Pacers-avoiding-luxury-tax) 

On new Celtics coach Brad Stevens: "I don't know Brad Stevens personally, but I know he did a good job in Indianapolis. The people really like him there. I'm not surprised. I knew two, three years ago -- he wasn't -- but he had a guy sniffing around the NBA to see what was out there. I'm not surprised by it. He'll do fine. It just takes time. It takes time for everybody."

In spite of Butler's best efforts to make their men's basketball coaching position an attractive "end destination" for Stevens, he obviously has had bigger things in mind from the time he first became a Butler success story.  All the talk along the way by Butler fans about how he has strong Indiana roots, his parents are here, likes it here, etc., etc. was obviously just wishful thinking on their part.

I think it's a good lesson for us as Valpo fans to keep in mind.  We've said similar things about Bryce - family roots, turned down offers to play at bigger schools to stay home, wife has a business here, etc., etc.  Guys like Bryce Drew and Brad Stevens are extremely competitive.  They want to show they can compete and win against anyone.  People who have that burning desire are who make us great as a country.  Being the best you can be is still the American way. I don't fault Brad Stevens in the slightest for wanting to move up the ladder, and I will feel the same way about Bryce, if and when that day comes.  We as fans just have to accept it, remember the good times, and move on.  Just one person's opinion.   
Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: Chairback on July 09, 2013, 07:16:46 PM
Bryce is a good coach but has a long way to go. He needs to win a few games in the tourney first, not just get there.  Plus a lot of the players he had came from his dad. I'm sure Bryce was the recruiter but it was his dad's team he's coached the last two years. He has a ton to prove here at Valpo before he eventually leaves. We were a last second shot away from having a major disappointing season.

Also, you can not compare Bryce Drew to Brad Stevens.  Stevens will do well in the NBa in a few years. They best win of Bryce's career is Murray State...


Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: wh on July 09, 2013, 07:31:49 PM
Quote from: Chairback on July 09, 2013, 07:16:46 PM
Bryce is a good coach but has a long way to go. He needs to win a few games in the tourney first, not just get there.  Plus a lot of the players he had came from his dad. I'm sure Bryce was the recruiter but it was his dad's team he's coached the last two years. He has a ton to prove here at Valpo before he eventually leaves. We were a last second shot away from having a major disappointing season.

Also, you can not compare Bryce Drew to Brad Stevens.  Stevens will do well in the NBa in a few years. They best win of Bryce's career is Murray State...




Bryce could have had the Mississippi State job a year ago.  He has a better resume now than he did then.  You may think he has more to prove here, but the fact is he is already on the radar as a prospective BCS conference coach.   
Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: wh on July 17, 2013, 08:21:38 PM
Butler basketball coach Brandon Miller adds Gardner-Webb's Chris Holtmann to coaching staff

http://www.indystar.com/article/20130715/SPORTS0605/130715005/Butler-adds-Gardner-Webb-s-Chris-Holtmann-coaching-staff (http://www.indystar.com/article/20130715/SPORTS0605/130715005/Butler-adds-Gardner-Webb-s-Chris-Holtmann-coaching-staff)

Graves goes from an asst. at Butler to the head coach at S. Alabama.  Conversely, Holtmann goes from head coach at Gardner-Webb to an asst. at Butler.   Which one got a promotion? 





Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: LaPorteAveApostle on July 18, 2013, 07:45:18 AM
Quote from: wh on July 17, 2013, 08:21:38 PMWhich one got a promotion? 
lol well played
(https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/4903104512/hFE973A8E/)
Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: VULB#62 on August 01, 2013, 08:41:53 PM
Butler cannot help but get PR.  Now Blue II, the RETIRED (not even the active) Butler mascot has been diagonosed with heart desease and it makes the front page of USAToday Sports online.  Sheesh!

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2013/08/butler-bulldog-mascot-blue-ii-fighting-heart-disease/ (http://ftw.usatoday.com/2013/08/butler-bulldog-mascot-blue-ii-fighting-heart-disease/)
Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: zvillehaze on February 19, 2017, 07:35:28 PM
Quote from: setshot on July 05, 2013, 10:43:41 AM
Stevens is a bad fit for Boston. He not only lacks NBA experience,he's also a cultural misfit. The "Hick from French Lick" made it as a player,but a clodhooper Hoosier basketball coach - give me a break.In two or three years from now Stevens will be standing on the banks of the Wabash wishing he was back home again. Book it!

Or coaching in the NBA All-Star game.  A few bold predictions in this thread missed the mark by a bit.
Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: a3uge on February 19, 2017, 09:17:02 PM
Fun re-read!
Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: bbtds on February 19, 2017, 09:44:09 PM
Quote from: zvillehaze on February 19, 2017, 07:35:28 PM
Quote from: setshot on July 05, 2013, 10:43:41 AM
Stevens is a bad fit for Boston. He not only lacks NBA experience,he's also a cultural misfit. The "Hick from French Lick" made it as a player,but a clodhooper Hoosier basketball coach - give me a break.In two or three years from now Stevens will be standing on the banks of the Wabash wishing he was back home again. Book it!

Or coaching in the NBA All-Star game.  A few bold predictions in this thread missed the mark by a bit.

Setshot was a bit of a chain puller about anything about the Midwest back in the day. He was a huge east coast guy.

One thing we did find out about setshot was that he was one of the big donors to the Valpo athletic dept.
Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: bbtds on February 19, 2017, 09:57:03 PM
Quote from: wh on July 17, 2013, 08:21:38 PM
Butler basketball coach Brandon Miller adds Gardner-Webb's Chris Holtmann to coaching staff

http://www.indystar.com/article/20130715/SPORTS0605/130715005/Butler-adds-Gardner-Webb-s-Chris-Holtmann-coaching-staff (http://www.indystar.com/article/20130715/SPORTS0605/130715005/Butler-adds-Gardner-Webb-s-Chris-Holtmann-coaching-staff)

Graves goes from an asst. at Butler to the head coach at S. Alabama.  Conversely, Holtmann goes from head coach at Gardner-Webb to an asst. at Butler.   Which one got a promotion? 

Holtmann sure made a good move by going from head coach at Gardner-Webb to asst at Butler.

I'll always remember when Holtmann brokedown at a post game presser when he mentioned the death of the young son of one of his asst coaches.
Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: FieldGoodie05 on February 19, 2017, 11:04:21 PM
Quote from: bbtds on February 19, 2017, 09:44:09 PM
Quote from: zvillehaze on February 19, 2017, 07:35:28 PM
Quote from: setshot on July 05, 2013, 10:43:41 AM
Stevens is a bad fit for Boston. He not only lacks NBA experience,he's also a cultural misfit. The "Hick from French Lick" made it as a player,but a clodhooper Hoosier basketball coach - give me a break.In two or three years from now Stevens will be standing on the banks of the Wabash wishing he was back home again. Book it!

Or coaching in the NBA All-Star game.  A few bold predictions in this thread missed the mark by a bit.

Setshot was a bit of a chain puller about anything about the Midwest back in the day. He was a huge east coast guy.

One thing we did find out about setshot was that he was one of the big donors to the Valpo athletic dept.

Pass away or something?
Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: vu72 on February 20, 2017, 11:01:04 AM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on February 19, 2017, 11:04:21 PM
Quote from: bbtds on February 19, 2017, 09:44:09 PM
Quote from: zvillehaze on February 19, 2017, 07:35:28 PM
Quote from: setshot on July 05, 2013, 10:43:41 AM
Stevens is a bad fit for Boston. He not only lacks NBA experience,he's also a cultural misfit. The "Hick from French Lick" made it as a player,but a clodhooper Hoosier basketball coach - give me a break.In two or three years from now Stevens will be standing on the banks of the Wabash wishing he was back home again. Book it!

Or coaching in the NBA All-Star game.  A few bold predictions in this thread missed the mark by a bit.

Setshot was a bit of a chain puller about anything about the Midwest back in the day. He was a huge east coast guy.

One thing we did find out about setshot was that he was one of the big donors to the Valpo athletic dept.

Pass away or something?
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Was wondering the same thing.  Those in the athletic dept would know as he was a contributor.  He lived on Hilton Head Island and as I recall he must have been pushing 80 or so.  He was always fun to banter with.  Hope he is just observing and will jump in.!
Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: bbtds on February 20, 2017, 11:24:12 AM
Quote from: vu72 on February 20, 2017, 11:01:04 AM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on February 19, 2017, 11:04:21 PM
Quote from: bbtds on February 19, 2017, 09:44:09 PM
Quote from: zvillehaze on February 19, 2017, 07:35:28 PM
Quote from: setshot on July 05, 2013, 10:43:41 AM
Stevens is a bad fit for Boston. He not only lacks NBA experience,he's also a cultural misfit. The "Hick from French Lick" made it as a player,but a clodhooper Hoosier basketball coach - give me a break.In two or three years from now Stevens will be standing on the banks of the Wabash wishing he was back home again. Book it!

Or coaching in the NBA All-Star game.  A few bold predictions in this thread missed the mark by a bit.

Setshot was a bit of a chain puller about anything about the Midwest back in the day. He was a huge east coast guy.

One thing we did find out about setshot was that he was one of the big donors to the Valpo athletic dept.

Pass away or something?
[/b
Was wondering the same thing.  Those in the athletic dept would know as he was a contributor.  He lived on Hilton Head Island and as I recall he must have been pushing 80 or so.  He was always fun to banter with.  Hope he is just observing and will jump in.!

Setshot (JJ) jumping in is an oxymoron, isn't it?  ;)
Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: justducky on February 20, 2017, 07:07:50 PM
His last post was 6/2/15.

I always enjoyed his take on the Drew nepotism.
Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: FieldGoodie05 on February 20, 2017, 07:13:43 PM
Quote from: justducky on February 20, 2017, 07:07:50 PM
His last post was 6/2/15.

I always enjoyed his take on the Drew nepotism.

Sounds like a real fire cracker!  80 years old and posting on forums, great respect.  Would like to have been around with his POV.
Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: bbtds on February 21, 2017, 01:20:03 AM
Quote from: justducky on February 20, 2017, 07:07:50 PM
His last post was 6/2/15.

I always enjoyed his take on the Drew nepotism.

Maybe he realized that the nepotism issue was off the books when it became evident that Bruce was going to be successful. He had no more time for issues in the FLYOVER states. East Coast is best! Book it!
Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: ml2 on February 21, 2017, 08:31:24 AM
I'm sorry to report that setshot passed away in September of 2015. Unfortunately his full obituary is no longer available for viewing online.

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/islandpacket/obituary-preview.aspx?n=bruce-calvin-claxton&pid=175984457&referrer=2377 (http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/islandpacket/obituary-preview.aspx?n=bruce-calvin-claxton&pid=175984457&referrer=2377)
Title: Re: Brad Stevens leaves Butler to coach Boston Celtics
Post by: FWalum on February 21, 2017, 09:49:47 AM
I had talked to setshot a little about the fact that he and my father were both KIP's at VU.  I was trying to see if I could find a full version of his obituary and ran across this in the Carrol Daily Times Herald from Carroll, Iowa, which I found interesting.
QuoteMr. and Mrs. O. J. Weltkamp of Coon Rapids announce the engagement of their daughter, Marilyn June, to Bruce Calvin Claxton, son of Mr. and Mrs. John W. Claxton of Teuafly, New Jersey. The bride- elect is a graduate, of Coon Rapids High School and Valparaiso University, Valparaiso, Ind. She now lives in Washington, D. C, where she is employed by the Army Map Service. The prospective bridegroom has just received his separation from the army and is completing his schooling at Valparaiso University, where he will graduate in January. The wedding has been set for the last week in January and will take place in Coon Rapids.
A New Jersey boy meets an Iowa girl at VU. I guess he would have had to say that some good things come from the fly over states!  RIP setshot.