Anyone making the trip down from the Valpo area?
I'm tempted... I've never been to Hinkle. I'd be more tempted if it was a week later.
The cheap seats are $20?
Valpo vs. Butler at 1 p.m. and then the Big Ten title game (hopefully featuring Wisconsin) that night. Sounds like a great day in Indy.
Yes I'm in section 27 and the seats are $20. Parking can be some what of a hassle unless you get there 1 hour to 45 minutes before game time. They only allow season ticket holders with parking passes to park in the lot next to Hinkle and the lot up the hill from the Butler Bowl (football field). Eastern time the game is 2:00 pm in Indy so that is the time you will see on the tickets. When I bought the tickets at the Hinkle Fieldhouse ticket office on Monday the ticket manager said there were single and double sets left at the edge of the lower bowl and that most of the tickets remaining were in the most upper section. Most of the lower bowl is taken up by season tickets. Since the Bulldogs lost to Evansville and don't seem as talented as the last 2 years there isn't as much fever for Butler in Indy as before.
I'm headed down from South Bend. Looking forward to a good game and a great time as always in Indy. Hopefully it includes some Valpo gear wearing in Broad Ripple after a nice lopsided Valpo victory. I didn't realize that the Big 10 Title game was that weekend also. Anyone know ticket costs for those?
Pardon the interuption, but, what the heck are you guys talking about? Valpo plays Butler in Indy Dec 3. What "Big Ten Title Game" are you talking about? That's in the middle of the Big Ten-ACC Challlenge.
Quote from: vu72 on November 17, 2011, 08:48:12 AM
Pardon the interuption, but, what the heck are you guys talking about? Valpo plays Butler in Indy Dec 3. What "Big Ten Title Game" are you talking about? That's in the middle of the Big Ten-ACC Challlenge.
probably the football championship game. but i don't have a schedule in front of me.
Makes sense. I was thrown by it being posted under Valpo Basketball!
As I live in Indy, it's a shorter drive for me. I don't know if I'll be able to attend though, might be watching it on streaming feed.
Quote from: vu72 on November 17, 2011, 09:07:20 AM
Makes sense. I was thrown by it being posted under Valpo Basketball!
Well, the location makes sense if we're mostly talking about the Valpo-Butler basketball game. But, apparently there's a possible double feature if you're also a fan of American football.
I'm heading down there. There is an alumni event before the game that we are planning on attending. Can't wait!
I'll be there.
If we can post wins against both Akron and Duquesne then it might take a disaster at Ohio State to keep me home. Not certain that we are ready for Butler, but I am also not certain that they are ready for us.
Quote from: justducky on November 17, 2011, 06:07:31 PMIf we can post wins against both Akron and Duquesne
This sounds like a tall order, to me! I'm looking forward to good games. If we come out with two wins, I'll be feeling pretty bullish.
And, OK, I guess I'm with you, I'd also probably get more excited about a trip down to Hinkle.
Quote from: milanmiracle on November 17, 2011, 09:29:58 AM
As I live in Indy, it's a shorter drive for me. I don't know if I'll be able to attend though, might be watching it on streaming feed.
If you're in Indy, milan, you'll be able to watch it on WNDY.
2011-2012 BUTLER UNIVERSITY
MENS BASKETBALL SCHEDULE
DATE DAY OPPONENT LOCAL INDIANAPOLIS
TIME TIME
Dec. 3 Sat. VALPARAISO*(WNDY-TV) 2 p.m. 2 p.m.
Feb. 24 Fri. At Valparaiso (ESPNU) 6 p.m. 7 p.m.
The brand new Big Ten championship football game is being held at Lucas Oil Stadium in downtown Indy on Sat. Dec. 3 (same day as the Valpo at Butler basketball game). Game time is 8:15 p.m. Eastern time.
One of the interesting things is that up till this Monday Joe Paterno's name was on the Big Ten football championship trophy. It was going to be called the Stagg-Paterno Championship Trophy but has now been changed to the Stagg Championship Trophy.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/big-ten-takes-paternos-name-off-trophy-for-football-championship-game/2011/11/14/gIQAFtmALN_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/big-ten-takes-paternos-name-off-trophy-for-football-championship-game/2011/11/14/gIQAFtmALN_story.html)
Ticket prices range from $67 to $1035.
Quote from: bbtds on November 17, 2011, 08:24:30 PM
Quote from: milanmiracle on November 17, 2011, 09:29:58 AM
As I live in Indy, it's a shorter drive for me. I don't know if I'll be able to attend though, might be watching it on streaming feed.
If you're in Indy, milan, you'll be able to watch it on WNDY.
2011-2012 BUTLER UNIVERSITY
MENS BASKETBALL SCHEDULE
DATE DAY OPPONENT LOCAL INDIANAPOLIS
TIME TIME
Dec. 3 Sat. VALPARAISO*(WNDY-TV) 2 p.m. 2 p.m.
Feb. 24 Fri. At Valparaiso (ESPNU) 6 p.m. 7 p.m.
I guess I am getting old...I watch the Butler games all the time, I guess I could watch the Valpo vs. Butler game too...Haha
Quote from: bbtds on November 17, 2011, 06:12:23 AM
Yes I'm in section 27 and the seats are $20. Parking can be some what of a hassle unless you get there 1 hour to 45 minutes before game time. They only allow season ticket holders with parking passes to park in the lot next to Hinkle and the lot up the hill from the Butler Bowl (football field). Eastern time the game is 2:00 pm in Indy so that is the time you will see on the tickets. When I bought the tickets at the Hinkle Fieldhouse ticket office on Monday the ticket manager said there were single and double sets left at the edge of the lower bowl and that most of the tickets remaining were in the most upper section. Most of the lower bowl is taken up by season tickets. Since the Bulldogs lost to Evansville and don't seem as talented as the last 2 years there isn't as much fever for Butler in Indy as before.
I remember going there to watch Valpo-Butler in December '94, when Bryce was just a freshman. You could tell he was going to become a great player. Tickets were like $6-8, and you could sit just about anywhere.
Quote from: agibson on November 17, 2011, 06:47:12 PM
Quote from: justducky on November 17, 2011, 06:07:31 PMIf we can post wins against both Akron and Duquesne
This sounds like a tall order, to me! I'm looking forward to good games. If we come out with two wins, I'll be feeling pretty bullish.
And, OK, I guess I'm with you, I'd also probably get more excited about a trip down to Hinkle.
Well, OK.
Anyone want to carpool from Valpo? ;)
I'm serious, actually - I might well be up for it. Though I wouldn't want to stay too long in Indy.
Quote from: agibson on November 20, 2011, 07:14:10 PM
Quote from: agibson on November 17, 2011, 06:47:12 PM
Quote from: justducky on November 17, 2011, 06:07:31 PMIf we can post wins against both Akron and Duquesne
This sounds like a tall order, to me! I'm looking forward to good games. If we come out with two wins, I'll be feeling pretty bullish.
And, OK, I guess I'm with you, I'd also probably get more excited about a trip down to Hinkle.
Well, OK.
Anyone want to carpool from Valpo? ;)
I'm serious, actually - I might well be up for it. Though I wouldn't want to stay too long in Indy.
Even if I could show you where John Dillinger is buried? It's just a few blocks from the Butler campus.
Butler just started this new shuttle service this Saturday and it could be helpful to some of you going to the game on Dec. 3rd.
The nice thing about parking at Meridian Street UMC is you can be in Broad Ripple in about 5 minutes by taking Westfield Blvd which runs northeast from Meridian Street and crosses Meridian Street about 2 blocks north of the church.
Broad Ripple is where George Hill, IUPUI standout, who was traded to the Pacers this past year but due to the lockout hasn't played for the Pacers yet, went to high school. It's also where Dave Letterman lived with his famous mother when he was growing up. You can find many trendy bars and other good places along Broad Ripple Ave and other side streets in Broad Ripple Village. About a year ago Colts' punter. Pat McAfee, got drunk and jumped in the canal in Broad Ripple. http://www.wthr.com/story/13354350/colts-punter-under-arrest (http://www.wthr.com/story/13354350/colts-punter-under-arrest).
It's what I like to call an "artsy fartsy" area.
Men's Basketball Shuttle Service
Beginning on Saturday, Nov. 19, Butler basketball fans can park their vehicles at the Meridian Street United Methodist Church, located at 5500 North Meridian, and board shuttles that will depart for Hinkle Fieldhouse.
Shuttle service will be provided at no cost and will begin 90 minutes prior to the scheduled tip-off. The last shuttle will depart for campus at the announced game time.
Shuttles will unload patrons on 49th Street, just outside the main entrance to the Hinkle parking lot.
Service will continue immediately following the conclusion of the game. The last shuttle will depart Hinkle 30 minutes after the final horn.
Due to the shuttle service, parking along 49th street between Rookwood Avenue and Boulevard Place will be restricted.
http://meridianstreet.org/who-we-are/guest-information/map-directions/ (http://meridianstreet.org/who-we-are/guest-information/map-directions/)
Quote from: sectionee on November 17, 2011, 12:01:47 PMThere is an alumni event before the game that we are planning on attending.
Just got the advertisement. $35 for lunch, a presentation from Homer, and a ticket - not too bad. That might be enough to get me there a couple of hours early. Not sure where the seats are, but I guess there's a good chance you'd at least be sitting with Valpo fans. Vs. $20 otherwise for most of the cheap seats (or $14 for a few of the _very_ cheapest) plus a $5.25 per ticket ticketmaster charge (man, I hate those).
We're planning on going to the Butler game..if there is an Alumni thing before the game as they have done in the past, who can we contact to get tickets, etc? The info is appreciated
Quote from: valpo64 on November 23, 2011, 08:41:26 AM
We're planning on going to the Butler game..if there is an Alumni thing before the game as they have done in the past, who can we contact to get tickets, etc? The info is appreciated
i would try calling alumni relations. they'd be able to tell you if there's any sort of alumni event going on and how to get tickets for it.
Quote from: vuweathernerd on November 23, 2011, 10:04:28 AM
Quote from: valpo64 on November 23, 2011, 08:41:26 AM
We're planning on going to the Butler game..if there is an Alumni thing before the game as they have done in the past, who can we contact to get tickets, etc? The info is appreciated
i would try calling alumni relations. they'd be able to tell you if there's any sort of alumni event going on and how to get tickets for it.
Guys, agibson, two posts above, told us there is an alumni event and that it cost $35. I agree that contacting Alumni Relations is the fastest way to get details.
Quote from: vu72 on November 23, 2011, 10:12:51 AM
Quote from: vuweathernerd on November 23, 2011, 10:04:28 AM
Quote from: valpo64 on November 23, 2011, 08:41:26 AM
We're planning on going to the Butler game..if there is an Alumni thing before the game as they have done in the past, who can we contact to get tickets, etc? The info is appreciated
i would try calling alumni relations. they'd be able to tell you if there's any sort of alumni event going on and how to get tickets for it.
Guys, agibson, two posts above, told us there is an alumni event and that it cost $35. I agree that contacting Alumni Relations is the fastest way to get details.
looks like you and i both fell victim to the evils of the quick quote button...
...never mind - it's missing a bracket ending.
An Afternoon with Homer Drew
Gather with alumni, parents and friends of Valpo before the men's basketball game versus Butler University
Saturday, Dec. 3, 2011
Butler University Indianapolis
12:30 to 2 p.m. – Buffet Lunch
West Gym, Hinkle Fieldhouse
Homer Drew to speak at 1:15 p. m.
2 p.m. Tip off
Hinkle Fieldhouse
Tickets for this event are limited. Please call the office of alumni relations at 800.833.6792, ext. 23, to register, or register online at valpo.edu/alumni/events. Tickets are $35 per person and include lunch and game admission.O T.
On May 17, Drew announced his retirement after 22 years as the Valparaiso University men's basketball coach. He led the Crusaders to nine postseaso appearances, including a memorable run to the Sweet 16 of the NCAA Tournament in 1998, and a school-record 371 victories. More than a coach, Drew was a leader, teacher and mentor, inspiring his players to lead and serve in their communities. Please join together on Dec. 3 and meet former Coach Drew, listen to him discuss highlights of his time with the men's basketball team and learn what he will be doing in his new role with Valpo athletics.
Butler barely beat Gardner-Webb at home tonight by 2...
First conference game of the year. Butler is 3-3 with losses to Evansville (88-77(OT)), #7 Louisville (69-53) and Indiana (75-59) and wins against Chattanooga (57-46), Savannah State (57-42), and Gardner-Webb (68-66).
demoralized after the embarassing display in columbus, and to support my statement in the thread about december results, butler wins in a defensive showcase 58-57.
Valpo 72
Butler 66
Ryan and Jay shoot well from outside, and we get key points from Kenney/Buggs on their penetration. Kevin makes up for last game with a double-double, and Vucic contributes a respectable 7-8 minutes.
Quote from: vuweathernerd on November 28, 2011, 02:48:47 PM
demoralized after the embarassing display in columbus, and to support my statement in the thread about december results, butler wins in a defensive showcase 58-57.
I'm always amazed when one of our "fans" is embarrassed by how the team played. Guys it's still just college basketball....I will never be embarrassed by how my teams play, whether it be the Crusaders, Boilermakers or Bears....Get some perspective.....
Quote from: rlh on November 28, 2011, 05:00:12 PM
Quote from: vuweathernerd on November 28, 2011, 02:48:47 PM
demoralized after the embarassing display in columbus, and to support my statement in the thread about december results, butler wins in a defensive showcase 58-57.
I'm always amazed when one of our "fans" is embarrassed by how the team played. Guys it's still just college basketball....I will never be embarrassed by how my teams play, whether it be the Crusaders, Boilermakers or Bears....Get some perspective.....
Just guessing, but Nerd might have meant that he was guessing the team would be demoralized, not that he was demoralized.
I trust that will not happen, but it certainly is something that Bryce has to guard against in a 2nd half like that where everything comes undone so quickly and so completely.
Quote from: StlVUFan on November 28, 2011, 08:27:15 PM
Quote from: rlh on November 28, 2011, 05:00:12 PM
Quote from: vuweathernerd on November 28, 2011, 02:48:47 PM
demoralized after the embarassing display in columbus, and to support my statement in the thread about december results, butler wins in a defensive showcase 58-57.
I'm always amazed when one of our "fans" is embarrassed by how the team played. Guys it's still just college basketball....I will never be embarrassed by how my teams play, whether it be the Crusaders, Boilermakers or Bears....Get some perspective.....
Just guessing, but Nerd might have meant that he was guessing the team would be demoralized, not that he was demoralized.
I trust that will not happen, but it certainly is something that Bryce has to guard against in a 2nd half like that where everything comes undone so quickly and so completely.
thanks, stl. that is what i meant. let's face it - that game in columbus fell to shambles in a hurry. and yes, i did refer to it as an "embarassing display." that may have been a poor choice of words, in retrospect. but there honestly aren't many other ways to describe a 2 pt game at halftime becoming a 30 point game at the final buzzer. we were overmatched, and it really took a toll in the second half. i think this team has a ton of potential. there is no reason they can't win 12-14 games in conference play, challenge for the crown, and make a run at a good postseason appearance. but in this one game, against a top tier team, they got beat down.
and rlh, before you criticize me for being a "fan" you need to know that there are few students that made it to more basketball games between 2008 and 2010 as i did. when nobody else wanted to go, i was there. when everybody else refused to risk walking outside in the sleet, snow, and muck, i was there. when everybody else was slacking off on their homework and rushing to get it done on thursday nights for their friday classes, i was there. and i would still be there every weekend if i wasn't almost 1,000 miles away. one of the hardest things for me to deal with after graduating was the lack of valpo basketball games to attend. so think about that before you criticize me.
I can attest to Mr. Nerd's dedication (when the bookstore didn't keep him from his student section duties ;) ) And also concur with the difficulty of leaving live attendance of games behind. Don't get me wrong...The "Cameron Crazies" are great and wear shirts with my first name on them...but I am a member of the "VuCr-" wait the "Drew Cr-" no, "Valparaizon-"...I'm a Valpo fan at heart and I don't think anything could ever change that. If and when Valpo and Butler meet in a conference championship game, I will be buying a ticket and hoping on a plane back to good ol' Indiana!
Quote from: vuweathernerd on November 28, 2011, 08:58:09 PM
Quote from: StlVUFan on November 28, 2011, 08:27:15 PM
Quote from: rlh on November 28, 2011, 05:00:12 PM
Quote from: vuweathernerd on November 28, 2011, 02:48:47 PM
demoralized after the embarassing display in columbus, and to support my statement in the thread about december results, butler wins in a defensive showcase 58-57.
I'm always amazed when one of our "fans" is embarrassed by how the team played. Guys it's still just college basketball....I will never be embarrassed by how my teams play, whether it be the Crusaders, Boilermakers or Bears....Get some perspective.....
Just guessing, but Nerd might have meant that he was guessing the team would be demoralized, not that he was demoralized.
I trust that will not happen, but it certainly is something that Bryce has to guard against in a 2nd half like that where everything comes undone so quickly and so completely.
and rlh, before you criticize me for being a "fan" you need to know that there are few students that made it to more basketball games between 2008 and 2010 as i did. when nobody else wanted to go, i was there. when everybody else refused to risk walking outside in the sleet, snow, and muck, i was there. when everybody else was slacking off on their homework and rushing to get it done on thursday nights for their friday classes, i was there. and i would still be there every weekend if i wasn't almost 1,000 miles away. one of the hardest things for me to deal with after graduating was the lack of valpo basketball games to attend. so think about that before you criticize me.
This maybe the crankiest couple of days I have seen on the board in a long time. Criticism of both posters and players blown out of proportion, people saying they are about to leave, others wishing them good riddance.... Why don't we all just take a deep breath, relax and enjoy our commonality.
Quote from: FWalum on November 29, 2011, 12:37:31 PM
This maybe the crankiest couple of days I have seen on the board in a long time. Criticism of both posters and players blown out of proportion, people saying they are about to leave, others wishing them good riddance.... Why don't we all just take a deep breath, relax and enjoy our commonality.
I was quite hurt when '72 said, "Just flapping your lips without knowledge of the facts in nonproductive to say the least." Then I realized that he was referring to DM, so I was fine with it. ;)
Where is everyone? Can't believe the lack of conversation this close to our first showdown with Butler!
Quote from: wh on November 29, 2011, 01:59:32 PM
Quote from: FWalum on November 29, 2011, 12:37:31 PM
This maybe the crankiest couple of days I have seen on the board in a long time. Criticism of both posters and players blown out of proportion, people saying they are about to leave, others wishing them good riddance.... Why don't we all just take a deep breath, relax and enjoy our commonality.
I was quite hurt when '72 said, "Just flapping your lips without knowledge of the facts in nonproductive to say the least." Then I realized that he was referring to DM, so I was fine with it. ;)
Sorry about that. I'm all better now and of course fear rlh coming on to tell me that we really shouldn't care if we win or lose. Not sure what a fan board is suppose to be without caring but...
Anyway, other than being sicker than a dog with some sort of sore throat thing and feeling lousy, I'm looking forward to the game. A great test for both teams and very important. While I'm not caring who wins because it is just college basketball--on the outside--but on the inside, I hope we beat the crap out of 'em. ;D
I don't believe I ever said I don't care who wins or loses.....I just think it should be kept in perspective. Being embarassed by a teams play just doesn't fit with me....sorry.....I want Valpo to win as much, and probably more than most, but I try to remember it's not the be all and end all. In my case, I'm fighting cancer right now, and it certainly puts some things in perspective as to what's really important and what's not. Doesn't mean I don't root just as hard for the Crusaders, Boilermakers and Bears.....
Quote from: rlh on November 30, 2011, 01:34:03 PM
I don't believe I ever said I don't care who wins or loses.....I just think it should be kept in perspective. Being embarassed by a teams play just doesn't fit with me....sorry.....I want Valpo to win as much, and probably more than most, but I try to remember it's not the be all and end all. In my case, I'm fighting cancer right now, and it certainly puts some things in perspective as to what's really important and what's not. Doesn't mean I don't root just as hard for the Crusaders, Boilermakers and Bears.....
That makes two of us. I'm almost done with chemo and you can get through it too. Was just kidding you. Hope you are feeling OK.
Myself and a group of students have bought tickets and will be driving down for the game. I'm excited, it'll be my first time at Hinkle. Hopefully we'll get to see a Valpo victory. :)
The Butler game will be really close. Butler has a lot of new players and they have not consistently come together, but Smith, Marshall and Hopkins have played pretty well.
You kinda want to say this will be a defensive battle, but Butler is not playing great defense - so I think it is in the 60s or low 70s.
I really want to say I think Valpo will win, but I just don't see it on Butler's floor and with Stevens really fighting to get them to play good team offense and defense.
Butler 70 Valpo 68
Quote from: vu72 on November 30, 2011, 01:59:16 PM
Quote from: rlh on November 30, 2011, 01:34:03 PM
I don't believe I ever said I don't care who wins or loses.....I just think it should be kept in perspective. Being embarassed by a teams play just doesn't fit with me....sorry.....I want Valpo to win as much, and probably more than most, but I try to remember it's not the be all and end all. In my case, I'm fighting cancer right now, and it certainly puts some things in perspective as to what's really important and what's not. Doesn't mean I don't root just as hard for the Crusaders, Boilermakers and Bears.....
That makes two of us. I'm almost done with chemo and you can get through it too. Was just kidding you. Hope you are feeling OK.
Very sorry to hear it. Best wishes to both of you.
Quote from: agibson on November 30, 2011, 08:12:39 PM
Quote from: vu72 on November 30, 2011, 01:59:16 PM
Quote from: rlh on November 30, 2011, 01:34:03 PM
I don't believe I ever said I don't care who wins or loses.....I just think it should be kept in perspective. Being embarassed by a teams play just doesn't fit with me....sorry.....I want Valpo to win as much, and probably more than most, but I try to remember it's not the be all and end all. In my case, I'm fighting cancer right now, and it certainly puts some things in perspective as to what's really important and what's not. Doesn't mean I don't root just as hard for the Crusaders, Boilermakers and Bears.....
That makes two of us. I'm almost done with chemo and you can get through it too. Was just kidding you. Hope you are feeling OK.
Very sorry to hear it. Best wishes to both of you.
Ditto. Hang in there guys.
Valpo 72
Butler 71
I think Valpo pulls it out on the strength of a Harris 3 pointer, Broekhoff rebound and pass to Van Wijk for a lay up in the last minute.
Quote from: nkvu on November 30, 2011, 10:31:45 PM
Quote from: agibson on November 30, 2011, 08:12:39 PM
Quote from: vu72 on November 30, 2011, 01:59:16 PM
Quote from: rlh on November 30, 2011, 01:34:03 PM
I don't believe I ever said I don't care who wins or loses.....I just think it should be kept in perspective. Being embarassed by a teams play just doesn't fit with me....sorry.....I want Valpo to win as much, and probably more than most, but I try to remember it's not the be all and end all. In my case, I'm fighting cancer right now, and it certainly puts some things in perspective as to what's really important and what's not. Doesn't mean I don't root just as hard for the Crusaders, Boilermakers and Bears.....
That makes two of us. I'm almost done with chemo and you can get through it too. Was just kidding you. Hope you are feeling OK.
Very sorry to hear it. Best wishes to both of you.
Ditto. Hang in there guys.
rlh - I have noticed that you have not been posting much lately, and now I know why. I wish you and '72 my very best for a speedy, full recovery!
Quote from: justducky on November 17, 2011, 06:07:31 PM
If we can post wins against both Akron and Duquesne then it might take a disaster at Ohio State to keep me home. Not certain that we are ready for Butler, but I am also not certain that they are ready for us.
Well all three came true, both victories against Akron and Duquesne and the disaster at Ohio State. Are you staying home?
While it would be nice to go support the guys (and the Butler athletic program with our ticket fees, concessions, etc), has anyone considered hitting the ARC at 12:00 on Saturday to see the LS'ers take on Lehigh? It's a home game and they need our support! I also want to pour money into the VU athletic coffers...not the ButlerBank.
Not to mention...the women are the hottest basketball team on campus now that they are on a winning streak! I'll plan to be at the ARC and listen to the men on the radio or watch on HLN on my 'top at the game.
Maybe Richie Edwards will get a good run and show us why he is there!
Quote from: Crusader03 on December 01, 2011, 10:55:25 AM
While it would be nice to go support the guys (and the Butler athletic program with our ticket fees, concessions, etc), has anyone considered hitting the ARC at 12:00 on Saturday to see the LS'ers take on Lehigh? It's a home game and they need our support! I also want to pour money into the VU athletic coffers...not the ButlerBank.
Not to mention...the women are the hottest basketball team on campus now that they are on a winning streak! I'll plan to be at the ARC and listen to the men on the radio or watch on HLN on my 'top at the game.
You're just an abbreviation machine, aren't you? Love the shift on the previously controversial nickname choice. Laptop as 'top??? I'm guessing it's a 'tude. Color me unimpressed, but ... whatever... I'm used to resorting to abbreviations for long, hard to pronounce (or spell, I guess) words. Laptop is too long or too hard to spell?
When did abbreviation become a fashion statement?
:crazy:
I think it'll be HLN at home for me - staying in town for my son's last soccer game. Best of luck to the women, unfortunate scheduling conflict! On another Saturday I might be happy to come out for a matinee.
Quote from: StlVUFan on December 01, 2011, 12:00:41 PMWhen did abbreviation become a fashion statement?
90's?
I'm guessing abbreviations became a fashion statement in about the same manner as today's youth using the word "gay" as a synonym for "stupid". In which I say to them, "Gay can't be stupid because stupid isn't demanding a law allowing stupid to have equal marriage rights."
Quote from: wh on November 30, 2011, 11:42:33 PM
Quote from: nkvu on November 30, 2011, 10:31:45 PM
Quote from: agibson on November 30, 2011, 08:12:39 PM
Quote from: vu72 on November 30, 2011, 01:59:16 PM
Quote from: rlh on November 30, 2011, 01:34:03 PM
I don't believe I ever said I don't care who wins or loses.....I just think it should be kept in perspective. Being embarassed by a teams play just doesn't fit with me....sorry.....I want Valpo to win as much, and probably more than most, but I try to remember it's not the be all and end all. In my case, I'm fighting cancer right now, and it certainly puts some things in perspective as to what's really important and what's not. Doesn't mean I don't root just as hard for the Crusaders, Boilermakers and Bears.....
That makes two of us. I'm almost done with chemo and you can get through it too. Was just kidding you. Hope you are feeling OK.
Very sorry to hear it. Best wishes to both of you.
Ditto. Hang in there guys.
rlh - I have noticed that you have not been posting much lately, and now I know why. I wish you and '72 my very best for a speedy, full recovery!
Best wishes and a full recovery to '72 and rlh!
Quote from: StlVUFan on December 01, 2011, 12:00:41 PM
Quote from: Crusader03 on December 01, 2011, 10:55:25 AM
While it would be nice to go support the guys (and the Butler athletic program with our ticket fees, concessions, etc), has anyone considered hitting the ARC at 12:00 on Saturday to see the LS'ers take on Lehigh? It's a home game and they need our support! I also want to pour money into the VU athletic coffers...not the ButlerBank.
Not to mention...the women are the hottest basketball team on campus now that they are on a winning streak! I'll plan to be at the ARC and listen to the men on the radio or watch on HLN on my 'top at the game.
You're just an abbreviation machine, aren't you? Love the shift on the previously controversial nickname choice. Laptop as 'top??? I'm guessing it's a 'tude. Color me unimpressed, but ... whatever... I'm used to resorting to abbreviations for long, hard to pronounce (or spell, I guess) words. Laptop is too long or too hard to spell?
When did abbreviation become a fashion statement?
:crazy:
:thumbsup: :rotfl: :clap:
Quote from: StlVUFan on December 01, 2011, 12:00:41 PM
Quote from: Crusader03 on December 01, 2011, 10:55:25 AM
While it would be nice to go support the guys (and the Butler athletic program with our ticket fees, concessions, etc), has anyone considered hitting the ARC at 12:00 on Saturday to see the LS'ers take on Lehigh? It's a home game and they need our support! I also want to pour money into the VU athletic coffers...not the ButlerBank.
Not to mention...the women are the hottest basketball team on campus now that they are on a winning streak! I'll plan to be at the ARC and listen to the men on the radio or watch on HLN on my 'top at the game.
You're just an abbreviation machine, aren't you? Love the shift on the previously controversial nickname choice. Laptop as 'top??? I'm guessing it's a 'tude. Color me unimpressed, but ... whatever... I'm used to resorting to abbreviations for long, hard to pronounce (or spell, I guess) words. Laptop is too long or too hard to spell?
When did abbreviation become a fashion statement?
:crazy:
Remember when you were young and elders would give you a weird look when you said "Cool shades man!" and they were thinking "Cool shades man? Where are these cold window blinds and where is the man who sells them?" :lol: You know what I'm saying. I'm sorta feeling the same way you probably did then. Young people today often call a laptop a 'top and it's just normal slang. Didn't know it was so unheard of...but if it makes you feel better, "I will gladly bring my laptop computer to the game of roundball on Saturday to enjoy both the gentlemen and the gentlewomen as they compete for the prize!" Touche.
I'm around kids all day every day. 'top is a new one to me ???. Enjoy the games.
Quote from: bbtds on December 01, 2011, 12:16:49 AM
Quote from: justducky on November 17, 2011, 06:07:31 PM
If we can post wins against both Akron and Duquesne then it might take a disaster at Ohio State to keep me home. Not certain that we are ready for Butler, but I am also not certain that they are ready for us.
Well all three came true, both victories against Akron and Duquesne and the disaster at Ohio State. Are you staying home?
Several things still up in the air so I would expect this to be a last minute grab a rafter seat decision. My son had told me their old ticketmaster "best available" format had been replaced so I briefly checked it out and would still grade their new Vivid Seats approach as a bucket of crap in comparison with the clarity of our E-Tix site.
As for the game it is winable and equally as important as our late season meeting when both of these teams should be vastly improved. I will not make a prediction and after Ohio State game do not even want to think about the point spread.
Hope I can make it, witnessing a win at Hinkle would be very satisfying.
Quote from: valporun on December 01, 2011, 12:09:00 PMI'm guessing abbreviations became a fashion statement in about the same manner as today's youth using the word "gay" as a synonym for "stupid".
I'd hoped that was on the way out?
Quote from: agibson on December 01, 2011, 02:28:10 PM
Quote from: valporun on December 01, 2011, 12:09:00 PMI'm guessing abbreviations became a fashion statement in about the same manner as today's youth using the word "gay" as a synonym for "stupid".
I'd hoped that was on the way out?
I wish it was on its way out, but today's teens don't know any better. They still use it regardless of what adults tell them about it.
This thread is derailing... back to the topic please.
Wasn't this two separate threads about 10 minutes ago?
Quote from: gmoser1210 on December 01, 2011, 04:10:23 PM
Wasn't this two separate threads about 10 minutes ago?
Yes, two separate threads, both getting derailed.
I would love to make a game at Hinkle someday, but it won't be this one unfortunately. Hopefully we start a nice streak over Butler over the next few years, so the next game I see is a win.
In reference to the other part that should be put into another topic, words that have been assigned dual meaning have been around for a long time, and the one you are referencing in particular has been around for all of my 30 years, maybe because of where I live.
For me a double usage is like using "gay" to mean homosexual and also to mean "happy". Maybe that was originally derogatory too - but now seems neutral. (I read a Disney kids book the other day with Mickey and friends celebrating a retro "Gay [18]90's" festival - hilarious!)
Gay as a term for something you don't like is about up there with "retard" or "Polock" for me. It's a slur.
My sister was threatened with a mouth-soap combination for using " :censored:" like this (neither a bassoon nor a bundle of wood) like this 25+ years ago. And, that seems like about the right response.
And, uh, Go Valpo! Beat Butler!
(Yeah, yeah, off topic. But, do you really want us to start a new "trendy use of abbreviations and inappropriate slurs" thread in the "General Off Topic" area?)
Sort of back on topic . . . I wonder when Bobby Thong over on the Butler board is going to post our Valpo look alikes? Those always crack me up!
Quote from: valpofan56 on December 01, 2011, 10:41:39 PM
Sort of back on topic . . . I wonder when Bobby Thong over on the Butler board is going to post our Valpo look alikes? Those always crack me up!
Ditto. Some of his comparables are really funny.
Quote from: wh on December 02, 2011, 12:02:28 AM
Quote from: valpofan56 on December 01, 2011, 10:41:39 PM
Sort of back on topic . . . I wonder when Bobby Thong over on the Butler board is going to post our Valpo look alikes? Those always crack me up!
Ditto. Some of his comparables are really funny.
He's got some up already, and there are a few winners.
Link?
http://buhoops.yuku.com/topic/8116/Valpo-Look-a-likes-Part-One#.Ttj5EEpkVOI (http://buhoops.yuku.com/topic/8116/Valpo-Look-a-likes-Part-One#.Ttj5EEpkVOI)
Odd!
Some of these are pretty dubious. But... Vucic as Erica Bana (of Troy, etc.)? Might be a little something.
Bryce as Barry Williams? Maybe something there too. And, the notion of Homer's son as Greg Brady is pretty hilarious!
I'm hoping to have my preview of the game up tonight over there (mostly just looking at the Valpo team and what Butler has to do to win) on buhoops.
I really hate saying this, but I honestly think Valpo might win, though I think the game should be pretty close throughout. Next season I don't think I will make the same statement once Rotnei Clarke and Kellen Dunham are there and even less likely in 13-14 when Valpo loses about half its squad (have you guys noticed how many Juniors are significant contributors to this team?) will I predict a Valpo win at Hinkle, but this weekend is certainly a possibility with all the difficulty they can have scoring. I sure do love run-on sentences.
Looks like all of us are going to see Boggs play this season (second half). Lazerus article in today's Post says Bryce thinks we may not see Fernandez or Jakolis all yer so he needs to bring Ben Boggs in even though he would prefer to red shirt him. One of the obvious reason is what IrishDawg said. It will make for yet another guy graduating next year. However, Boggs could be the guy who can put us over the top THIS year.
What ever Butler is adding next year we will match. We could have a two year run to the NCAAs. Tomorrow's game will tell us if we are in that category. We need to show our stuff in a hostile environment and at a big rival.
Here's the link to the Lazerus article: http://posttrib.suntimes.com/sports/9186965-556/drew-awaiting-word-from-ncaa-clearinghouse.html (http://posttrib.suntimes.com/sports/9186965-556/drew-awaiting-word-from-ncaa-clearinghouse.html)
Meaningless, certainly not statistically significant... but interesting
Butler RPI 193
Valpo RPI 57
Vegas has Butler favored by 5 points. But I am going with my heart instead of my head, and I will predict a Valpo win at Hinkle:
Valpo 74
Butler 71
Quote from: vu72 on December 02, 2011, 01:14:06 PM
Looks like all of us are going to see Boggs play this season (second half). Lazerus article in today's Post says Bryce thinks we may not see Fernandez or Jakolis all yer so he needs to bring Ben Boggs in even though he would prefer to red shirt him. One of the obvious reason is what IrishDawg said. It will make for yet another guy graduating next year. However, Boggs could be the guy who can put us over the top THIS year.
now
What ever Butler is adding next year we will match. We could have a two year run to the NCAAs. Tomorrow's game will tell us if we are in that category. We need to show our stuff in a hostile environment and at a big rival.
Here's the link to the Lazerus article: http://posttrib.suntimes.com/sports/9186965-556/drew-awaiting-word-from-ncaa-clearinghouse.html (http://posttrib.suntimes.com/sports/9186965-556/drew-awaiting-word-from-ncaa-clearinghouse.html)
We will still have 22 games left (plus more if we win the 1st game in the HL tournamnent) when Ben becomes eligible. There is every reason to pull the trigger now instead of waiting till next year. Let's worry about 2 years from now 2 years from now.
Quote from: valpopal on December 02, 2011, 03:28:31 PM
Vegas has Butler favored by 5 points. But I am going with my heart instead of my head, and I will predict a Valpo win at Hinkle:
Valpo 74
Butler 71
Butler has not covered in any game this season.
Butler has not been impressive at all this year:
- They have not beaten anyone with a winning record.
- The 4 teams they have beaten have a combined 8-16 record.
- They have yet to cover in any game.
- 5 of their 7 games have been at home. Their record might be even worse if they had a more typical HL early season schedule heavy with road games.
- They have people left over from their great teams of the past 2 years, but to date haven't shown that they are anywhere close to the level of those teams.
- They have had some horrible FT shooting games.
- Their offense looks stagnant and mechanical.
- The only guy that looks impressive is Hopkins. That said, there are occasions where he also looks out of control - and he turns the ball over a lot.
- There is no evidence to support that they are ready to have a breakout game.
Valpo by 8.
Quote from: wh on December 02, 2011, 05:38:40 PM
Butler has not been impressive at all this year:
- They have not beaten anyone with a winning record.
- The 4 teams they have beaten have a combined 8-16 record.
- They have yet to cover in any game.
- 5 of their 7 games have been at home. Their record might be even worse if they had a more typical HL early season schedule heavy with road games.
- They have people left over from their great teams of the past 2 years, but to date haven't shown that they are anywhere close to the level of those teams.
- They have had some horrible FT shooting games.
- Their offense looks stagnant and mechanical.
- The only guy that looks impressive is Hopkins. That said, there are occasions where he also looks out of control - and he turns the ball over a lot.
- There is no evidence to support that they are ready to have a breakout game.
Valpo by 8.
If memory serves, Butler lost three in a row in HL play, and were 5-5 in HL standings, when they ran off 14 straight, until the NCAA final game. Not saying that will happen this year. I think we have our best shot at a win in Hinkle in many years, and Butler will have some problems this season. I also think that Stevens will get things going soon enough, and Butler will have a say in who wins the HL this year.
The more I look at this game, I agree with your assessment and will look forward to a VU win!
Quote from: wh on December 02, 2011, 05:38:40 PM
Butler has not been impressive at all this year:
- They have not beaten anyone with a winning record.
- The 4 teams they have beaten have a combined 8-16 record.
- They have yet to cover in any game.
- 5 of their 7 games have been at home. Their record might be even worse if they had a more typical HL early season schedule heavy with road games.
- They have people left over from their great teams of the past 2 years, but to date haven't shown that they are anywhere close to the level of those teams.
- They have had some horrible FT shooting games.
- Their offense looks stagnant and mechanical.
- The only guy that looks impressive is Hopkins. That said, there are occasions where he also looks out of control - and he turns the ball over a lot.
- There is no evidence to support that they are ready to have a breakout game.
Valpo by 8.
I wish I could make a valid argument against your prediction, but I don't have one. I think Butler has the talent and coaching to turn things around, but I don't know when that will happen. I certainly don't know if it will happen on Saturday.
Safe travels to any of the Valpo faithful making the trip.
Play hard like We are at home, go to the Basket hard and keep the pressure on Butler, We win !
YU 71 Bu 65
Brent took a few minutes and did a preview for tomorrow's game. Take look! See you there! http://sectionee.blogspot.com/2011/12/horizon-league-opener.html (http://sectionee.blogspot.com/2011/12/horizon-league-opener.html)
Irish Dawg's preview. He knows our players' strengths and weaknesses as well as we do. How is that possible? ???
This will not be an easy game as much as I'd like it to be. Butler is still learning early on this season. This (and Ball State I believe) will be a good test to figure out what kind of team the Dawgs have and how far away they are from being a contender in the Horizon League. So here it is, Preview #8.
Starters:
Erik Buggs – 5'11, 155 lbs JR averaging 5.3 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 2.1 apg – This guy is the team's defensive stopper, plain and simple. Very quick, but not a great ball handler. Stopping his penetration into the lane will be key to stopping his offensive game, as he's only shot three 3 pointers the entire season.
Will Bogan – 6'1, 170 lbs JR averaging – 7 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 2 apg – Unlike Buggs, he is NOT afraid to pull the trigger from deep, as 68% of his FG attempts are from behind the 3 point line. He's a pretty athletic guard who played at Ole Miss before transferring to Valpo, but it's taking him some time to find his way into the offense. Solid defender as well.
Matt Kenney – 6'4, 205 lbs JR averaging 8.1 ppg, 5 rpg, 2.3 apg, 1.7 spg – Remember Little for Valpo the last couple of seasons? Kenney has pretty much replaced his role in that regard as the do a little bit of everything player for the Crusaders. Strong and defends well. Not a great outside shooter, but isn't afraid to pull the trigger from there.
Ryan Broekhoff – 6'7, 215 lbs JR averaging 14.3 ppg, 9.3 rpg, 2.6 apg, 1.3 bpg - He hasn't been the deadeye from 3 that he has been in years past (29% from 3), but that still doesn't mean that I want to leaving him wide open on the perimeter because he can still be dangerous if you leave him open. Stevens has a ton of respect for him, so I'm sure he's telling the team that the 3 guys you've got to absolutely be up on, on the perimeter is Harris, Broekhoff and Bogan.
Kevin Van Wijk – 6'8, 230 lbs JR averaging 14.8 ppg, 7.5 rpg - This has probably been the surprise of the Horizon League. I know I certainly wasn't expecting this from Van Wijk, but he has been a great addition in the middle for the Crusaders. Very physical, isn't afraid to go up against bigger defenders, and defends pretty well without fouling. The matchup between him and Smith is going to be a key one tomorrow afternoon.
Others:
Jay Harris – 6'2, 155 lbs SO averaging 12.3 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 3 apg, 1.3 spg - He might be coming off the bench, but he will get starters minutes. He is one heck of a shooter, especially in his one trip to Hinkle last season. Solid ball handler as well. He's expanded is game inside the arc as well, but he still has taken over half his shots from outside the arc. Can't leave him open for shots.
Richie Edwards – 6'7, 220 lbs JR averaging 11.5 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 1.5 apg - His stats are a little skewed since he's only played in 4 games so far this season and the majority of his points came against Holy Cross and Georgia Southern, but he is a very versatile 4 as you would expect in the Horizon League and isn't afraid of pulling the trigger from deep, though he hasn't had a ton of luck from there this year.
Hrvoje Vucic – 7'1, 245 lbs SO averaging 3.3 ppg, 4.1 rpg - He is a big body, but he has been a bit of a liability on offense and if you get him away from the basket, he becomes far less valuable. He could be valuable in the next couple seasons, but for now he will get a few minutes to help spell Van Wijk and focus on getting rebounds.
Tommy Kurth – 6'1, 180 lbs SO averaging 2.7 ppg, 1 rpg - He is a point guard in almost every sense when he is out on the floor, but has not played well statistically this season. He hasn't shot well from 3, but as he shot 36% from there last season, I'd hate to be the reason he suddenly broke out of his slump.
I know I can certainly hope and cheer for a win tomorrow, but Valpo is far more experienced at almost every single position, and this early in the season, that will play a factor. The second matchup might actually go in Butler's favor, but I feel like that unless Butler can start running the offense well and get some easy baskets, it's just going to be a struggle to score again, and I expect to see Smith look overwhelmed as soon as he sees a double team coming at him. If he can play well and help out Hopkins and Marshall, then I think Butler's chances improve greatly. If not, could be another long afternoon for the offense.
I certainly expect a close one until the end, but I don't see Butler pulling this one out.
Valpo 64, Butler 56
Butler Game Preview:
http://www.beyond-the-arc.com/ (http://www.beyond-the-arc.com/)
Valpo is favored? No, Butler is favored by 5 points. Citizen Kane "is just decent at best"? No, it is one of the finest movies of all time. Other than those errors, not a bad preview. ;)
Indy Star game day article:
http://www.indystar.com/article/20111203/SPORTS0605/112030342/Butler-s-best-path-NCAAs-begins-today (http://www.indystar.com/article/20111203/SPORTS0605/112030342/Butler-s-best-path-NCAAs-begins-today)
Quote from: wh on December 02, 2011, 04:46:32 PM
Quote from: vu72 on December 02, 2011, 01:14:06 PM
Looks like all of us are going to see Boggs play this season (second half). Lazerus article in today's Post says Bryce thinks we may not see Fernandez or Jakolis all yer so he needs to bring Ben Boggs in even though he would prefer to red shirt him. One of the obvious reason is what IrishDawg said. It will make for yet another guy graduating next year. However, Boggs could be the guy who can put us over the top THIS year.
now
What ever Butler is adding next year we will match. We could have a two year run to the NCAAs. Tomorrow's game will tell us if we are in that category. We need to show our stuff in a hostile environment and at a big rival.
Here's the link to the Lazerus article: http://posttrib.suntimes.com/sports/9186965-556/drew-awaiting-word-from-ncaa-clearinghouse.html (http://posttrib.suntimes.com/sports/9186965-556/drew-awaiting-word-from-ncaa-clearinghouse.html)
We will still have 22 games left (plus more if we win the 1st game in the HL tournamnent) when Ben becomes eligible. There is every reason to pull the trigger now instead of waiting till next year. Let's worry about 2 years from now 2 years from now.
I think bringing in Boggs is a good idea IF there's a really, really good chance at the NCAA. If not, you might as well wait and "practice" until then. Who's not coming back this next year that really matters? I'd continue to red shirt him and build towards the future, but that's just my opinion.
Quote from: milanmiracle on December 03, 2011, 10:32:18 AM
Quote from: wh on December 02, 2011, 04:46:32 PM
Quote from: vu72 on December 02, 2011, 01:14:06 PM
Looks like all of us are going to see Boggs play this season (second half). Lazerus article in today's Post says Bryce thinks we may not see Fernandez or Jakolis all yer so he needs to bring Ben Boggs in even though he would prefer to red shirt him. One of the obvious reason is what IrishDawg said. It will make for yet another guy graduating next year. However, Boggs could be the guy who can put us over the top THIS year.
now
What ever Butler is adding next year we will match. We could have a two year run to the NCAAs. Tomorrow's game will tell us if we are in that category. We need to show our stuff in a hostile environment and at a big rival.
Here's the link to the Lazerus article: http://posttrib.suntimes.com/sports/9186965-556/drew-awaiting-word-from-ncaa-clearinghouse.html (http://posttrib.suntimes.com/sports/9186965-556/drew-awaiting-word-from-ncaa-clearinghouse.html)
We will still have 22 games left (plus more if we win the 1st game in the HL tournamnent) when Ben becomes eligible. There is every reason to pull the trigger now instead of waiting till next year. Let's worry about 2 years from now 2 years from now.
I think bringing in Boggs is a good idea IF there's a really, really good chance at the NCAA. If not, you might as well wait and "practice" until then. Who's not coming back this next year that really matters? I'd continue to red shirt him and build towards the future, but that's just my opinion.
the only seniors on the roster are shelton and stegelmann (the new walk-on). but since stegelmann's only playing in his first year, he'd still be eligible next year. so the only one we know we're losing is shelton.
Quote from: vu84v2 on December 02, 2011, 02:16:02 PM
Meaningless, certainly not statistically significant... but interesting
Butler RPI 193
Valpo RPI 57
Huh - interesting indeed (and, OK, yeah, probably meaningless). Now I see Valpo 41, leading the league, Butler 178. I suppose it's not until well into league play that these numbers settle down.
Relatimerpi.com has Valpo by 2, 72-70 (no surprise if their predictions are RPI-related).
Another random computer (oddsshark) has Valpo 76-72.
Sportsnetwork has Butler 72-71.
The Vegas lines still seem to have Butler by 5, 5.5 points.
Should be a good one!
The weird RPI ratings are from statistical insignificance. Valpo has played 7 games, but only 5 against D1 teams. One is against Arizona and one against Ohio State - so the computer thinks Valpo plays a top 5 team in 20% of its games and a top 20 team in 20% more. Add in Akron and Duquesne being good mid-major teams and the result is high but not enough data points to be meaningful. OK - way too much math probably for everyone...sorry.
Valpo needs to beat Butler and by 1 is just fine.
For some reason, the video feed on HLN has stopped. Any one have any ideas what's going on? Thanks.
I got a message saying that the stream was banned due to copyright infringement. I guess the Horizon League didn't get permission from My INDY-TV. Listening to the game on the radio now. If there is any other video link please let me know.
One second we're warching the Butler game, on the live stream, and the next second NOTHING.
The HLN shows off line. Bummer.
The feed stopped just after I tripped over my HDMI cord. I'm glad there's another explanation.
How does that happen. HLN is in same town as 23? You'd think 23 wouldn't care that someone overseas is watching their mediocre announcers.
Guess the good news we were up at half. But I can't even get a radio feed. Other thoughts besides WAKE?
1070thefan.com
The video feed is working again on the Horizon League website.
Thanks!
back on
Yes sir, 77-71 win at Hinkle in OT! Loved the silence at the arena that last minute ;D
This was a huge win...eventhough they aren't what they have been, they are still Butler and we beat them at Hinkle.....I love the agressiveness of this team, even when down they took it to them
Awesome win. Was getting frustrated with the sloppy play as things were slipping away in the second half, but they looked good fighting back to basically win it in regulation. Justice was served with the overtime win to make it official.
In Bryce we trust...!!
Definitely a huge win. Even if there are still tougher teams ahead to beat, Butler had become the new Oral Roberts. This goes a long way in sending the message that we are not the easy W that we used to be for the Bulldogs. I didn't get to see much of the game except for the end of regulation and overtime, but Richie was a monster.
I don't think I'm going to be able to be a basketball fan when I get older...these kind of games may lead to an eventual heart attack! Add another one to the Valpo/Butler classic reel. What an exciting game! And now a winning streak for Valpo in the series! I saw a sign in the student section that said "We are NOT rivals" maybe they will start to change that thinking...;)
Great win for the guys today. I'm still concerned about the sluggish starts to the 2nd half, but we found a way to overcome that. It will be nice to look at a 1-0 conference record in the standings for a month!
great gutsy win. Bryce certainly has a fresh look on the game. Even though it didn't work that full court pass with a 1 point lead to Bogan with 30 seconds left to play in regulation shows the type of strategy Bryce is willing to try. Hats off to Edwards for maintaining a presence in the middle after we lost Kevin fouled out.
Great win indeed. The "we are not rivals" kinda reminds me of Green Bay football fans who say they aren't rivals with the Vikings! Only way to change that one fans opinion is to keep winning. Two in a row!!
What a great effort by both teams and no doubt Butler will be a force this year. Lots of talent, just not firing on all cylinders quite yet. Funny how Smith basicly disappeared.
Ryan may end up being one of the best rebounders of all time for Valpo. I'll have to check some stats to see how he stands at the moment. Clearly showing all conference play.
Who's next? Bring 'em on!!
Great win...and you can be encouraged since we know this team can get better. Really nice game for Buggs and Edwards came up huge. It was like a light went on and Edwards suddenly figured out inside footwork. Great ball movement in the second half too.
I nearly had the score with my 74-71 Valpo prediction. I also had predicted before the season started that Edwards would be a difference in games like this and Buggs would be much better at scoring, including free throws, this season; but the stat nobody could have predicted in this game is Buggs from the free throw line 3-4, Harris from the free throw line 1-4!
Oh my gosh. You have to go over the the Butler board for some good laughs. If you think we have fans that are hard on the guys wait till you read their crap.
"Smith and Stigall are terrible" "Smith is at best a D2 player" "We stink" etc etc etc and I mean ten or twelve not two or three. Oh and "we lost to a not very good Valpo team" Hmmm, we'll see...
Quote from: vu72 on December 03, 2011, 03:55:38 PM
Oh my gosh. You have to go over the the Butler board for some good laughs. If you think we have fans that are hard on the guys wait till you read their crap.
"Smith and Stigall are terrible" "Smith is at best a D2 player" "We stink" etc etc etc and I mean ten or twelve not two or three. Oh and "we lost to a not very good Valpo team" Hmmm, we'll see...
Yep ... lots of mature comments over there right now from people who've never donned a uniform past 5th grade CYO ball. Enjoy.
Great game to watch and congrats to Valpo on the win. I'm impressed with your play so far this year. I'm also not panicking with Butler ...they're playing a bunch of young guys who are improving, but not there yet.
I don't have as deep criticism of today's game as I did of the Ohio St. game because I am at my brother's house watching my nephew, so I was paying attention to him a lot more than this game.
I'm happy with the fight we showed, especially after taking another 4 minutes to open the second half of getting warmed up again. I don't understand why we come out of the locker room in the second half so freaking cold? I mean it does make the guys have to work more on defense to keep the score within reach, but still we need to get some points on the board in the first 4 minutes of the second half, otherwise we're all going to have coronaries waiting for the first media timeout to happen, so the guys get out of their shells.
koala, from the stats I saw, Ryan had a much better game. We just need more control from Buggs and Van Wijk when it comes to fouls. I see they both need to be aggressive on defense, but to have three fouls each before halftime can be a problem. I don't know what kind of discipline each could use, but something needs to be done, especially to keep Kevin in the game at the end.
Anyone have any idea why Vucic wasn't used in this game?
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I don't believe I ever said I don't care who wins or loses.....I just think it should be kept in perspective. Being embarassed by a teams play just doesn't fit with me....sorry.....I want Valpo to win as much, and probably more than most, but I try to remember it's not the be all and end all. In my case, I'm fighting cancer right now, and it certainly puts some things in perspective as to what's really important and what's not. Doesn't mean I don't root just as hard for the Crusaders, Boilermakers and Bears.....
That makes two of us. I'm almost done with chemo and you can get through it too. Was just kidding you. Hope you are feeling OK.
Very sorry to hear it. Best wishes to both of you.
Ditto. Hang in there guys.
rlh - I have noticed that you have not been posting much lately, and now I know why. I wish you and '72 my very best for a speedy, full recovery!
God's blessings and healing rlh and '72, from a forum old timer. rlh, I'm guessing I won't be seeing you in Fort Wayne at the IPFW game?
Quote from: valporun on December 03, 2011, 04:14:15 PMAnyone have any idea why Vucic wasn't used in this game?
Just a guess here, but I would figure that Vucic will be used to hold down the bench whenever possible during the Horizon season. He is simply too much of a liability on both ends. As for the IPFW game, let him play. Edwards will hopefully continue to carry the load inside when Van Wijk is out.
QuoteGod's blessings and healing rlh and '72, from a forum old timer. rlh, I'm guessing I won't be seeing you in Fort Wayne at the IPFW game?
I hope I'm there, but I would be surprised if I can make it. This week will tell me a lot as to my future treatment
Check out our post game analysis:
http://www.beyond-the-arc.com/ (http://www.beyond-the-arc.com/)
From the NWI Times (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/basketball/college/crusaders-beat-butler-at-hinkle-for-the-first-time-since/article_e2cc1817-21ee-5534-a106-bb4b76316ba6.html):
QuoteRichie Edwards scored 18 points in 23 minutes including a fadeaway jumper with less than two minutes remaining that gave Valparaiso a 73-69 lead in overtime. Edwards was forced into action mainly because Kevin Van Wijk fouled out in just 25 minutes.
"I felt like I had a good flow early in the game and I was confident to do what I do," Edwards said. "I just wanted to stay consistent and try to help the guys win the game."
QuoteValparaiso's victory represented the first road win at Hinkle Fieldhouse since 1988 and the first time the Bulldogs have lost their conference opener since 2001-02.
QuoteErik Buggs gave the Crusaders some breathing room in the overtime period by knocking down three free throws, something he is notoriously poor at doing. The junior guard was more aggressive than usual in attacking the basket and his performance left Butler coach Brad Stevens shaking his head at the end of the game.
"Buggs is a good player and he's one of the reasons they were really good last year," Stevens said. "Valpo really showed their age and maturity possession by possession and Buggs was a big reason for that."
Quote"The whole team really fought to the end and there were times when Butler went on runs that we could've folded," Valparaiso coach Bryce Drew said. "Our guys were able to respond and I'm looking forward to watching the tape and seeing all the twists and turns of this one."
I have to admit that the tears flowing on the Butler board taste very good. Add some cheese with their 'whine' and my weekend is made ;D
I really think Vucic didn't play was because of matchup problems. Other than Smith Butler isn't very big or slow. Richie just matched up better against a guy like Marshall. Against bigger, slower guys I think he will see action as he played well against OSU.
It is just some indication of the coaching quality we have. Putting the right guy in the right situation. Vucic may not see much Horizon League action because for the most part the League is guard oriented and that is why we will need Boggs to make a deep run. We'll see.
And FWAlum, thanks for the kind words and good wishes. I should have had my last chemo last Friday but was too sick (unrelated) to do it, so next Friday it is. My major surgery was on June 1 so getting it all over with before Christmas is a gift I hadn't thought about!
All indications are that we beat it but a CT scan on the 29th will confirm, God willing. Thanks again to all for your well wishes.
Here is our game wrap up. So glad we made the trip down!
http://sectionee.blogspot.com/2011/12/game-wrap-up-victory-at-hinkle.html (http://sectionee.blogspot.com/2011/12/game-wrap-up-victory-at-hinkle.html)
Quote from: rlh on December 03, 2011, 06:46:14 PM
QuoteGod's blessings and healing rlh and '72, from a forum old timer. rlh, I'm guessing I won't be seeing you in Fort Wayne at the IPFW game?
I hope I'm there, but I would be surprised if I can make it. This week will tell me a lot as to my future treatment
I'll be looking for you. I have a good friend fighting the same battle. He just got some very good news this week, I hope you can tell me the same thing on Wednesday.
First of all, a win is a win, and especially at that place in front of that crowd.
I loved the resilience in both halves, both of which started out regrettably. I think the win was aided and abetted by inconsistent play, unforced turnovers, missed FTs, and missed layups by Butler, but it still required effort on our part to take advantage of all that. Late in the 2nd half started to have a familiar pattern to it when Butler started to pull away 58-51, but before long we climbed back in.
It was certainly an ugly looking game at times with ragged play on both sides and questionable officiating that I suspect evened out so that neither side could complain about the game being compromised by it.
Butler missed a lot of FTs and a lot of layups or we might be singing a different tune, but I'm not worried about trying to ascribe that to them having an off game or us outplaying them. As I told TD as we left Hinkle, I consider that to be ambiguous. I'm comfortable with saying it's a little of both.
I thought Chase Stigall was the most dangerous Bulldog on the court today and was thankful he missed that 3 late in the OT.
Memo to Matt Kenney: I love ya, guy, but when you take the inbound pass with 1 second on the clock, DON'T DRIBBLE, JUST SHOOT!!! Especially when your dribble really doesn't take you any closer to the basket. ;)
Is Andrew Smeathers the rock start this year? When he came in and immediately drained a 3, I thought the roof was gonna blow off the place.
I was interested to note that the Bulldogs were led in scoring by Nored. A Butler fan will have to judge whether that's a good thing or a bad thing. I can only say that it seems like an unusual thing.
The lower 2/3rds were pretty full. Only the nosebleeds were fairly sparse. An excellent crowd, I would say.
I despise speed-eating contests at athletic events, mainly because ... I despise speed-eating contests period. Celebrating unhealthy behavior just rubs me the wrong way, especially at an athletic event. This applies to the ARC, to Busch Stadium, and I'm sure to a lot of other places as well.
We joined a very select fraternity today that as far as I can remember includes only Loyola and Milwaukee -- teams that have beaten Butler at Hinkle over the last 3 or 4 years. I know they were 8-1 at home last year and 9-0 the year before, and the only other loss I can remember in that time period is a close loss to Loyola.
I would not be at all surprised if Butler returns the favor at the ARC in February. Both teams have plenty of areas needing improvement in the aftermath of today's game, in my opinion.
As for Bryce, I'm absolutely sold. He must be doing a pretty good job, possibly better than his Dad lately, which is saying something.
Congrats guys on the win.
Butler has so much improving to do on both ends of the floor, and will likely be 4-9 or 5-8 by the time the conference schedule rolls back around, that I guess it's a positive that they've really got nowhere to go but up. Only other positive from my end of things is the offensive rebounding and that despite the fact they shot 34% from the field and 58% from the FT line (compared to Valpo's 53% and 67%), they still had a chance to win. Well, I guess that and once they get some guys with basketball skills to mix in with their athletes in the Freshmen and Sophomore classes, they will presumably be better.
Again, congrats.
Thanks, Irish. I wouldn't be surprised if your prediction for the rematch turns out to be true also.
From the live blog by one of our beat writers, this was my favorite play of the whole game:
QuoteAfter a Nored basket, Buggs fell hard on an offensive possession and was writhing on the ground as the play went toward the other end of the court. But once Broekhoff got a steal and Buggs was all alone, limping along, Broekhoff threw him the pass and he suddenly felt better, putting in a big layup. Edwards (12 points) to the line for VU coming out of the timeout.
;D
Quote from: valpotx on December 03, 2011, 07:42:46 PM
I have to admit that the tears flowing on the Butler board taste very good. Add some cheese with their 'whine' and my weekend is made ;D
It was fun to read through, but the only thing I would react to is calling Edwards a dbag (besides not really understanding what that word means other than it's a pejorative, the only evidence I saw presented was the tatoo which by itself is meaningless). Aside from that, I saw plenty of optimism from the more intelligent posters (who are kind of obvious after a few years of reading the board) and a few posts that respect Valpo as a good team.
I think if we were Butler and they had just knocked us off at the ARC during our rebuilding year, they'd be enjoying exactly the same schadenfreude over this board right now. It's hard to reach the mountain peak twice in a row and then watch your team struggle so much the following year.
I would counter that we missed plenty of lay-ups/easy shots as well, so that kind of evens out. I just think we are the better team this year, and possibly next year with the whole team coming back (hopefully).
It's funny how they kept saying Edwards is just a thug, and kept mentioning his tattoos. If they actually saw and understood his tattoos, they would realize a lot are either religious or family-oriented...really thuggish lol.
Quote from: valpotx on December 04, 2011, 02:21:18 AMIt's funny how they kept saying Edwards is just a thug, and kept mentioning his tattoos. If they actually saw and understood his tattoos, they would realize a lot are either religious or family-oriented...really thuggish lol.
Guess they missed the part of the bio that explains his missionairy family background. Unfortunately it backs up what I have been telling kids for years, that my generation's first impression of tattoos is a negative one no matter what the message or content. A negative first impression, caused by something like a neck tattoo, when going for a job interview is hard to overcome.
Quote from: FWalum on December 04, 2011, 06:52:12 AM
Quote from: valpotx on December 04, 2011, 02:21:18 AMIt's funny how they kept saying Edwards is just a thug, and kept mentioning his tattoos. If they actually saw and understood his tattoos, they would realize a lot are either religious or family-oriented...really thuggish lol.
Guess they missed the part of the bio that explains his missionairy family background. Unfortunately it backs up what I have been telling kids for years, that my generation's first impression of tattoos is a negative one no matter what the message or content. A negative first impression, caused by something like a neck tattoo, when going for a job interview is hard to overcome.
I understand from a friend of mine that the people in the Work One Centers in Indiana now teach younger job seekers how to hide tattoos. They tell them which make up to use and how to pick the correct shade to match the skin. My thought is that if it effects your getting a job that much then don't get the tattoo.
Here is what Bryce has brought to the team. He is motivating the players to an extent we have not seen before (I'll stop making comments about Homer's coaching, he has done things for Valpo that no other person could have done).
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/basketball/college/crusaders-beat-butler-at-hinkle-for-the-first-time-since/article_e2cc1817-21ee-5534-a106-bb4b76316ba6.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/basketball/college/crusaders-beat-butler-at-hinkle-for-the-first-time-since/article_e2cc1817-21ee-5534-a106-bb4b76316ba6.html)
"The whole team really fought to the end and there were times when Butler went on runs that we could've folded," Valparaiso coach Bryce Drew said. "Our guys were able to respond and I'm looking forward to watching the tape and seeing all the twists and turns of this one."
I think every team in the HL will be thrilled if Nored is Butler's lead scorer. Brent said as much in our preview.
I know it is too early in the season for the RPI to mean much, if anything, since not enough games have been played to give statistical significance; however, after the Butler game Valpo is now ranked number 20 today. It is fun to see the Crusaders in the top 20 and ahead of many power teams, including North Carolina, pre-season pick to be the NCAA champion in March:
http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_Men.html (http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_Men.html)
Enjoy this ranking while you can! :)
Quote from: FWalum on December 04, 2011, 06:52:12 AM
Quote from: valpotx on December 04, 2011, 02:21:18 AMIt's funny how they kept saying Edwards is just a thug, and kept mentioning his tattoos. If they actually saw and understood his tattoos, they would realize a lot are either religious or family-oriented...really thuggish lol.
Guess they missed the part of the bio that explains his missionairy family background. Unfortunately it backs up what I have been telling kids for years, that my generation's first impression of tattoos is a negative one no matter what the message or content. A negative first impression, caused by something like a neck tattoo, when going for a job interview is hard to overcome.
I'm happy to chalk it all up to sour grapes. Part of the grieving process ;)
Quote from: vu72 on December 03, 2011, 08:01:13 PM
And FWAlum, thanks for the kind words and good wishes. I should have had my last chemo last Friday but was too sick (unrelated) to do it, so next Friday it is. My major surgery was on June 1 so getting it all over with before Christmas is a gift I hadn't thought about!
All indications are that we beat it but a CT scan on the 29th will confirm, God willing. Thanks again to all for your well wishes.
Best wishes from me too. As fans of different teams, we don't always agree on basketball stuff. But things like this *should* remind everyone that we're all people fighting the same battles in life.
I appreciate and respect your love of Valpo (athletics and school). Best of luck to you in this battle and hope to be responding to your posts on this board for many, many years! :clap:
Quote from: valpotx on December 04, 2011, 02:21:18 AM
I would counter that we missed plenty of lay-ups/easy shots as well, so that kind of evens out. I just think we are the better team this year, and possibly next year with the whole team coming back (hopefully).
It's funny how they kept saying Edwards is just a thug, and kept mentioning his tattoos. If they actually saw and understood his tattoos, they would realize a lot are either religious or family-oriented...really thuggish lol.
Actually, I think this is what they are talking about:
QuoteAnd somebody, somehow, needs to get this team angry. We should not allow thugs like Edwards to throw guys around like he did to Aldredge
I don't remember seeing anything unsportsmanlike out there from Richie. The closest thing I could think of is his fist pumps after scoring an and-1, but everybody does that.
Then again, "sour grapes" might have been on target ("thug" = code for physical player, a term we've used for Green Bay and CSU at times, myself included).
BTW, where is setshot now with his 'Butler is heads and shoulders above Valpo all the time, every time' crap?
Funny how some seem to disappear when things are going well. ??? He has been around. check the sign-in area.
Now that the football season has bowled up, a friend of mine and I are trying to interest Savannah State in hosting the Toilet Bowl. The game would pit Valpo (#246) against Savannah State (#245) in Savannah,GA. It might be a crappy game, but it would settle once and for all, which team is the worst team in Div.1 football. Any interest? :crazy:
Well, I am happy to have such a positive start to the season. I was only available to watch the last 20 seconds of regulation but I really liked the play by Kenny in OT. Specifically when he took Stigall off the dribble out of the time out. I don't know if that was a Bryce decision or not, but it was a good one. There was pretty much no way Stigall could defend Kenney one on one. The and 1 was a nice bonus.
So far this team appears to be turning the corner
Quote from: valpotx on December 05, 2011, 12:43:39 PM
BTW, where is setshot now with his 'Butler is heads and shoulders above Valpo all the time, every time' crap?
:)Good thought here. Or just maybe "silence is Golden"?? 8)
Quote from: setshot on December 05, 2011, 01:01:41 PM
Now that the football season has bowled up, a friend of mine and I are trying to interest Savannah State in hosting the Toilet Bowl. The game would pit Valpo (#246) against Savannah State (#245) in Savannah,GA. It might be a crappy game, but it would settle once and for all, which team is the worst team in Div.1 football. Any interest? :crazy:
It must be fun being you.
Setshot, I'm there if you are hosting us at Augusta during the trip. ;D
I was having lunch out with my wife last Sat. and she started telling me about this car she really likes. I should have known better, but I suggested that we drive over to the dealership and take a look at it. In my mind I was thinking 15 min. of window shopping and home in plenty of time for the game. The next thing I knew we were inside negotiating with the general manager. In the blink of an eye 15 minutes turned into an hour. By then the game was well into the first half, and I was stuck. Somewhere in the discussion I made mention that I was missing the Valpo-Butler game and wondered what the score was. The guy's eyes lit up - lo and behold he was a Butler alum. Next thing you know, he had Todd up on the internet and we listened together while we worked a deal. He was a all around good guy and as passionate about the Bulldogs as I am about the Crusaders. We had a good time listening together.
This is all preface for a question. Fans on the Butler board keep ripping on Richie Edwards. I thought it was just his tats, but apparently they are also saying that he was taunting the crowd, as well. (I should say either the crowd - or Butler players.) Did anyone see anything on TV or in person?
There was nothing on the Butler TV broadcast showing Edwards taunting nor did the "high quality" Butler announcers say anything negative about Edwards.
It was after a free throw in the first half. The Butler Students at the end he was shooting on were chanting "Mr. Clean" while he was shooting. After he hit the shot (and I'll be honest I didn't see exactly what his gesture was because I was looking down court to see how Butler was going to set up), but he did something that got a reaction out of the students (I think he may have rubbed his head and then swung his hand towards the students as he was backing up, but I didn't see the face he might have been making). I thought it was just dumb and senseless because A) It's the first half, if you hit one in the waning seconds to help your team win it, then okay, yuck it up big fella and B) Now the students know you're listening to them, so now they've got an entire year to think up of stuff for you.
I think the bigger issue was that there was another play (you can read over at the Butler Board for more details) in which Edwards supposedly grabbed Aldridge and threw him on the ground. Now, I know I didn't see this play, but apparently others did and weren't happy about it.
All in all, probably not too much to concern yourselves with (unless someone can show on the video where he threw Aldridge down or can give more specifics).
Definitely didn't have anything to do with the tats, our players have plenty of them.
Quote from: valpo84 on December 05, 2011, 06:46:45 PM
Setshot, I'm there if you are hosting us at Augusta during the trip. ;D
Does Valpo have an Alumni with a membership at Augusta? If Setshot is hosting at Augusta, I might head to that game as well. :bowdown: :cheers:
Quote from: IrishDawg on December 06, 2011, 01:56:46 AMIt was after a free throw in the first half. The Butler Students at the end he was shooting on were chanting "Mr. Clean" while he was shooting. After he hit the shot (and I'll be honest I didn't see exactly what his gesture was because I was looking down court to see how Butler was going to set up), but he did something that got a reaction out of the students (I think he may have rubbed his head and then swung his hand towards the students as he was backing up, but I didn't see the face he might have been making).
I read somewhere (live blog? newspaper article?) that he sort of shushed the crowd. It made me think of a "single finger over the lips" motion. Didn't sound very offensive, but the piece I read was probably from a Valpo perspective.
QuoteI thought it was just dumb and senseless because A) It's the first half, if you hit one in the waning seconds to help your team win it, then okay, yuck it up big fella and B) Now the students know you're listening to them, so now they've got an entire year to think up of stuff for you.
Yeah, I'd think it's probably better not to interact with them at all. Unless, maybe, you're _really_ confident, and they _can't_ get to you. I've never performed athletically in front of a big crowd - I'm not sure how hard it is to deal with taunts, etc. from the crowd. But, it seems like it's probably better to let it roll off your back. I don't know - maybe some players can extract fuel from it.
I always had fun interacting with the crowd when pitching in HS. We had some large crowds at our baseball games of maybe 1,000+ every now and then (a lot for HS baseball), and they were very vocal. A nice finger over your lips to quiet them after an inning, or a good few fist pumps will get them nice and worked up lol. I didn't do this in college of course, as Twenge would have killed me :). If you are going to do something like this, you must only do it in a situation where you know you will win. If you end up losing, you just look so stupid!
While I think it best for players to just stay calm and ignore the crowds, it is interesting to think that we expect players to remain calm and not react despite ever increasing intensity and creativity towards visiting players from student sections. The players are human - so I think you need to grant them a little leeway (the shhh is probably ok...though again I would advise not to react at all - and just remember that it is the reverse when you play at home).
In Lawrence, the students in unison will repeatedly shout "you let the whole team down" when a player on the opposing team makes a major mistake. Similar chants are made at other schools. Nothing dirty here, so you shouldn't stop it - but again we need to realize that players are human beings. We probably wouldn't respond well if we made a mistake in our jobs, etc. where we felt really bad and we had a bunch of people from our competitor publicly reminding us.
I thought the USA chant directed at KVW was clever. Edwards didn't do himself any favors after silencing their students then air balling a 3 pointer immediately after.
Quote from: IrishDawg on December 06, 2011, 01:56:46 AM
It was after a free throw in the first half. The Butler Students at the end he was shooting on were chanting "Mr. Clean" while he was shooting. After he hit the shot (and I'll be honest I didn't see exactly what his gesture was because I was looking down court to see how Butler was going to set up), but he did something that got a reaction out of the students (I think he may have rubbed his head and then swung his hand towards the students as he was backing up, but I didn't see the face he might have been making). I thought it was just dumb and senseless because A) It's the first half, if you hit one in the waning seconds to help your team win it, then okay, yuck it up big fella and B) Now the students know you're listening to them, so now they've got an entire year to think up of stuff for you.
I think the bigger issue was that there was another play (you can read over at the Butler Board for more details) in which Edwards supposedly grabbed Aldridge and threw him on the ground. Now, I know I didn't see this play, but apparently others did and weren't happy about it.
All in all, probably not too much to concern yourselves with (unless someone can show on the video where he threw Aldridge down or can give more specifics).
Definitely didn't have anything to do with the tats, our players have plenty of them.
I'd love to go back and look, but I don't believe there's full video in the archive, is there? I checked for a couple of days but only saw the highlight package.
As for the shushing the crowd, I don't see how anyone should offended by that. I can see where it wasn't smart. I can see where he set himself up for taunting when he airballed the 3 afterwards. I cannot see Butler fans being offended by it, especially since it was in response to the taunting by the student section. That would be incredibly thin-skinned of them, and I'd like to think that's beneath the Dawg Pound.
Stl, if I remember correctly, the Horizon League has never archived the Horizon League games that happen before January 1st. I don't understand why they don't archive those games. I hope that policy changes soon.
Edwards on his physical play and friendly give and take with opposing fans:
"I know the limit you can take it to, when it goes from friendly fun to crossing the line," he said. "I feel I've never crossed the line. I don't want to represent my family and my school like that. It's just a friendly competition, and that's the level I'm going to keep it at."
http://posttrib.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/9287905-419/edwards-a-feisty-physical-force-for-crusaders.html (http://posttrib.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/9287905-419/edwards-a-feisty-physical-force-for-crusaders.html)
You can find the "entire game" (minus the blackout that occurred) at http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/18907629 (http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/18907629) I believe that the Edwards incident is during the blackout though.
Quote from: IrishDawg on December 06, 2011, 01:56:46 AM
It was after a free throw in the first half. The Butler Students at the end he was shooting on were chanting "Mr. Clean" while he was shooting. give more specifics).
Isn't the first time he has heard this retort. It was used by Kathleen, Lakeland's closest rival. He enjoys the interaction.
Quote from: vu84v2 on December 06, 2011, 04:51:23 PM
While I think it best for players to just stay calm and ignore the crowds, it is interesting to think that we expect players to remain calm and not react despite ever increasing intensity and creativity towards visiting players from student sections. The players are human - so I think you need to grant them a little leeway (the shhh is probably ok...though again I would advise not to react at all - and just remember that it is the reverse when you play at home).
In Lawrence, the students in unison will repeatedly shout "you let the whole team down" when a player on the opposing team makes a major mistake. Similar chants are made at other schools. Nothing dirty here, so you shouldn't stop it - but again we need to realize that players are human beings. We probably wouldn't respond well if we made a mistake in our jobs, etc. where we felt really bad and we had a bunch of people from our competitor publicly reminding us.
I remember when Steve Stipanovich of Missouri basketball had accidently shot himself, but initially blamed in on a masked intruder. When he went on the road, the other student sections would bring fake guns (or draw them) and say something about his shooting.
Nice article on Edwards and how the team is playing a bit more physical. Homer tended to coach a non physical type of style, or perhaps it was the players he recruited.
It appears Bryce is taking it up a notch or two.
lowpstr
Nothing here related to the game at all--just wanted to express well wishes for both rlh and '72 on your respective health battles. Good luck to you both as you move forward!
Quote from: valporun on December 06, 2011, 11:57:05 PM
Stl, if I remember correctly, the Horizon League has never archived the Horizon League games that happen before January 1st. I don't understand why they don't archive those games. I hope that policy changes soon.
The Loyola-Milwaukee or UIC-Milwaukee game is archived.
Quote from: lowposter on December 07, 2011, 04:53:28 PM
Nice article on Edwards and how the team is playing a bit more physical. Homer tended to coach a non physical type of style, or perhaps it was the players he recruited.
It appears Bryce is taking it up a notch or two.
lowpstr
Simply look at last year's key "post" player and compare him to Richie and you'll have all the proof you need.
Good article on Richie and physical play. And Bryce's comments are so true. I remember there was a game at YSU back in those days when they were holding him, bumping him, grabbing his jersey so he couldn't get the ball. Then they called a phantom illegal screen on Tony V way up high. We were up in arms. We managed to pull it out by a couple. Still hate going to Penguin Palace (which, by the way, is a far worse gym than the ARC).
Quote from: valpo84 on December 08, 2011, 12:30:27 AM
Good article on Richie and physical play. And Bryce's comments are so true. I remember there was a game at YSU back in those days when they were holding him, bumping him, grabbing his jersey so he couldn't get the ball. Then they called a phantom illegal screen on Tony V way up high. We were up in arms. We managed to pull it out by a couple. Still hate going to Penguin Palace (which, by the way, is a far worse gym than the ARC).
Which by the way is a far worse program than Valpo's. Can't verify the gym either way, but is YSU a comparison for anything but football?
Speaking of Butler, they just lost again, this time to Ball State, on the road--by 3 points I think.
Quote from: govalpogo on December 07, 2011, 10:18:23 AM
You can find the "entire game" (minus the blackout that occurred) at http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/18907629 (http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/18907629) I believe that the Edwards incident is during the blackout though.
What I see there is maybe just _after_ the blackout? From 12 minutes left in the second half. It does have about an hour of footage, including overtime.
I'm pleasantly surprised to see what seems to be a change in HL archiving policy. I wonder if it comes with the switch to Ustream. And, I wonder a little, if it's even deliberate.
In the past we heard vague, maybe occasionally clearly stated, statements about the risk that the footage would be used for scouting by opposing teams. It always seemed like a weak argument to me; but, maybe, lower profile teams wouldn't have easy access other footage, or maybe Valpo itself is low enough profile that it's not so easy to get footage of us.
Of course, if an opposing team _really_ wanted an archive, of course, they could "just" record the live stream. So, the policy might well have hurt fans more than it hurt the opposition.
Quote from: agibson on December 13, 2011, 12:22:01 PM
Quote from: govalpogo on December 07, 2011, 10:18:23 AM
You can find the "entire game" (minus the blackout that occurred) at http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/18907629 (http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/18907629) I believe that the Edwards incident is during the blackout though.
What I see there is maybe just _after_ the blackout? From 12 minutes left in the second half. It does have about an hour of footage, including overtime.
I'm pleasantly surprised to see what seems to be a change in HL archiving policy. I wonder if it comes with the switch to Ustream. And, I wonder a little, if it's even deliberate.
In the past we heard vague, maybe occasionally clearly stated, statements about the risk that the footage would be used for scouting by opposing teams. It always seemed like a weak argument to me; but, maybe, lower profile teams wouldn't have easy access other footage, or maybe Valpo itself is low enough profile that it's not so easy to get footage of us.
Of course, if an opposing team _really_ wanted an archive, of course, they could "just" record the live stream. So, the policy might well have hurt fans more than it hurt the opposition.
I don't see what difference it really makes. Aren't colleges required to exchange game tape anyway?
Quote from: valporun on December 13, 2011, 06:41:53 PMI don't see what difference it really makes. Aren't colleges required to exchange game tape anyway?
Yes, they are required to do so, all of the exchange is now done on the cloud. Video of the games are downloaded from file sharing sites. They are not relying on streaming video.
Interesting... why wouldn't these be made available to fans?
Coaches don't use streaming video because they know that some of the schools use the video streams going thru the video board to show the fans watching online. The coaches don't want to see replays of things that would block what is happening on the court at that moment. This is why teams keep their own video, and don't rely on tv stations or stadium video boards, because they know what other teams need the scouting video for.