After watching the Wright State at YSU game highlights it's evident that the Raiders didn't play a bad game at all and stayed fairly close (within 3 to 5 points) in the early going. Youngstown got great games from Kendrick Perry and Damian Eargle and a lot of the supporting team members. It wasn't until the last few minutes of the game that YSU got up by 13 at one point and then managed to with stand a WSU push and pulled out the 7 point win.
Valpo will have to be playing at the top of their game again with few turnovers and hitting the threes in order to knock off the Penguins. YSU has a home game against Cleveland State on Saturday that is on ESPN 3 before they play Valpo.
The Penguins are tough at home, and that gym is a "dump." I have hated going there since the old Mid-Con days and it is always a dogfight and the refs clearly favor the home team. Mid -90s game they called a phantom moving screen on Viscovic that almost cost us the game. Couple years ago Valpo had to crawl back into the game after a tough start. Rough place.
Anybody planning to go. We will be attending from Akron (west side right on 77) if people want to ride. Send me a PM.
Didn't Detroit kill them by 50 at YSU? Seems like how tough it will be depends on which YSU team shows up.
I am considering going. About an 1hr 15 min drive from downtown Cleveland. Definitely going to the CSU game on the 9th!
We seem to always beat YSU for as long as I have followed Valpo, and I don't see that changing:
Valpo 73
YSU 64
Quote from: valpotx on January 24, 2013, 02:00:29 PM
We seem to always beat YSU for as long as I have followed Valpo, and I don't see that changing:
Valpo 73
YSU 64
They finally scored a win last year at their place. They did beat us a time or two in the Mid-Con, of course.
As long as this team is mentally tougher than the '10-11 team was on the way to YSU - I have a cold, I AM cold, it sure is cold in here - we should be fine.
Not to jinx anything, but I'm wondering if the stat gurus on the board agree with me that we seem to have finally turned a corner and now have our player rotations in place and are playing at the level many of us expected from the start.
We now are 3rd in the conference in scoring, 4th in defense, 1st in FG %, 1st in 3 pt %, 1st in rebounding margin and 3rd in assists per game.In our last game we had 13 assts versus 8 turnovers and against Wright State, we had 16 assts to only 7 turnovers.
It seems the rotations are fairly set and of course Bryce has options as the opponent changes. To me it is clear that Bobby has made a real difference against a team like Green Bay, who is really big. Last year he had to face Brown and Cougill with the help of Richie Edwards, not really much help.
Against faster teams like Detroit, the addition of Dority and Coleman will/has been as big help.
Finally, does anyone know anything more about Alex Rossi? Presume he will try for a sixth year medical redshirt.
I agree with '72... I'd like another crack at Nebr, Oak and a Mulligan with LUC with the current rotation hitting stride.
Two years ago yesterday, we played GB in the 21st game of the season... and they beat us in the ARC....actually, Brown beat us in the ARC. And we went on to finish the last 14 games with a record of 8-6, ending 22-11 and a CIT berth.... This time we WON the 21st game of the season...
Over the past 26 years, we have been 16-5 two other times.... we have not had a better start in D-1. The other two times? 98/99 we wound up 23-9 losing to Maryland in Round 1 in Orlando; and 96/97 when we wound up 24/7 and almost beat Boston College in Salt Lake City in Round 1. The year in between those two... yes THAT year, we had just won our 12th, against 9 losses....we then went on to win 11 straight. The 10th loss of that season was to Rhode Island in St. Louis.
Quote from: talksalot on January 24, 2013, 09:25:40 PM98/99 we wound up 23-9 losing to Maryland in Round 1 in Orlando; and 96/97 when we wound up 24/7 and almost beat Boston College in Salt Lake City in Round 1.
How things have changed...had to go to Neils Science' auditorium for the former; crammed into Kretzmann for the latter.
Now you just open your laptop.
We need to continue playing well, and finding rotations that work during the game.
Valpo - 73
YSU - 66
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on January 25, 2013, 10:41:38 AMHow things have changed...had to go to Neils Science' auditorium for the former; crammed into Kretzmann for the latter.
Now you just open your laptop.
I hope we're not all hovering over our laptops, individually, separately, if we go back to the dance!
Quote from: agibson on January 25, 2013, 01:17:14 PMQuote from: LaPorteAveApostle on January 25, 2013, 10:41:38 AMHow things have changed...had to go to Neils Science' auditorium for the former; crammed into Kretzmann for the latter. Now you just open your laptop.
I hope we're not all hovering over our laptops, individually, separately, if we go back to the dance!
If Valpo makes the dance I'm doing everything in my power to get to the first game. I think we are all know now how few and far between NCAA appearances could be. Valpo fans were spoiled back in the latter Mid-Con days when the Crusaders rarely missed an NCAA appearance.
If I can't make it to the game then we can make plans for an event on campus or some where in Valpo to have a viewing party. Of course other viewing parties will spring up in big cities all over the country.
Road Games are all a Challenge in the Horizon league, keep playing with the intensity of the last six. YSU is a Challenge VU 65 YSU 60
The pairings party would be the Sunday night students return from spring break...but I digress... Valpo 70-58.... finish the first half in style... and I'm sure Bryce will show them the WSU film
Valpo 86
Youngstown St 79
The only way to beat the Penguins after falling behind by 15 in the early part of the second half is to put up over 50 points in the half and win it in the last 2 minutes. A lot like the Detroit and Wright St wins.
Quote from: talksalot on January 25, 2013, 06:19:23 PM
The pairings party would be the Sunday night students return from spring break...but I digress... Valpo 70-58.... finish the first half in style... and I'm sure Bryce will show them the WSU film
Are you referring to the NCAA selection show? Because I've never heard it referred to as the pairings party before.
I'm watching YSU play CSU right now on ESPN3....I'd say you let YSU hit a couple early threes because that is about all they want to shoot, open or not. Valpo is much better then CSU in every aspect of the game. I'll say Valpo wins this one easily. 76-64.
Watch out for this Cameron Beilon (spell check) kid. He can score it.
I can see why valpo was picked to win the conference. We have the most talent. After seeing all the other teams, if we play average to slightly better we should be most teams. If we play well we should win most games by ten points on average. Detroit is easily the second best team, wright state and green bay are decent but they aren't very deep. We could very well run the table on the conferance. If rowdy and another gaurd get hot we can blow the doors open on any team really and kevin is in my opinion the best true post player in the conference. Alec brown is good, but kevin is better. At least I think so.
The Only Game Preview You Will Ever Need,
Provided You're Not Chronically Needy
Teams, records: wait why is this so early
where to watch: 'cos i'm leaving town for a while myob.
Relevant info
Tempo-free stats
POINTS PER POSSESSION: Valpo 1.04 (2nd in HL to Detroit), YSU .97 (t5 w/WSU.)
POINTS ALLOWED PER POSS: Valpo .91 (now t1st! w/WSU), YSU .97 (t5th w/GB)
Basically, it still takes 8 possessions for Valpo to go one point up on their opponents; it takes YSU, oh, forever.
(http://www.easymemes.com/uploads/memes/65296_wEcQMd4YzZyY9jP.jpg)
Possessions per game (tempo): Valpo 66.4 (5th), YSU 69.5 (4th)
They're pretty fast, then again, they're just pushin' a rock, pushin' a rock, pushin' a rock (turnin' around)...
eFG%: Valpo 53.4% (1st in HL), YSU 47.7% (t7th w/GB)
(You can't forget the turnovers, dude. Always, the turnovers. #StillWorseThanMilwaukee *shiver*)
KNOW THINE ENEMY:
DANGERMOUSE: (http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/5768/663356-dangermouse_large.jpg)(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7195/6913887557_717ac03792.jpg)
He's not tall, but he does have this...aura around him. No, wait, it's a forcefield.
The string of tiny guards in this spot continues: come on down, Kendrick Perry! The 6 foot, 160 lb. junior--stand up, young man!--leads his team in 8 of 15 major categories. I said "stand U..."--oh. I'm sorry. I didn't realize Ahem. Perry, one of the best guards in the HL, plays the most minutes, takes the most shots, scores the most points, draws the most fouls, gets the most assists, and steals, AND is tied for 2nd most rebounds despite not being anywhere tall as listed (like everyone else, sure). He's 64th in the nation in efficiency, out of 1802 qualifiers (3rd in HL)
He also leads the league in GFPG (game faces per game):
(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/002/294/089/hi-res-5914126_display_image.jpg?1349726239)(http://www.thejambar.com/polopoly_fs/1.2697196!/image/1019940743.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_260/1019940743.jpg)
(http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/cs9i6oktFfqV5sFu3SyVjA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NQ--/http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptusncaabexperts/uspw_5914122.jpg)
So yeah. Watch out for him. There's your free analysis. This is nothing new; in both games (split) last year, he was 6-11 in each, averaging 19.5. As a freshman he shot poorer but still averaged 11 ppg, mostly because in the first of 3 meetings we held him to 2 points. He has made precisely 6 FG in each of the 4 games since.
So he'll get his 6. The trick is to keep him behind the arc, where he's second in attempts but just 4th in rate of makes. Once he penetrates, well, then, yipes, that's on you. I told you to keep him behind the arc. #strategery
PENFOLD: (http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/8/85474/2557737-penfold1_large.jpg)(http://cdn77.psbin.com/img/mw=150/mh=200/cr=n/d=mdws4/oq2qhg9r4z138p6s.jpg)
The numbers one and four image hits for "DJ Cole" "Youngstown St" are of a white dude wearing #11. no joke.
It seems like every team has one starter that you're like, "why? WHY are you THERE? WHOSE WIFE DO YOU HAVE PICTURES OF..." I mean, the Beatles had Ringo, the Yankees have A-Rod, Mt. Rushmore has Teddy, and YSU has DJ Cole. He starts, plays 58.3% of minutes, and then scurries around staying out of Perry/Belin/Eargle's ways, avoiding such entanglements as shooting (7.45%) and rebounding (6.31%), getting offensive rebounds at a rate that screams "RANDOM BOUNCES MUST AFTER ALL OCCUR" (2.12%). He's scored more than ten points TWICE this year (one of which was garbage time in that garbage game against Detroit).
Out of 1802 D1 players who play enough to rank, he's 1602 in PPG; 1564 in RPG; 1551 in usage rate.
Among 48 HL players who qualify for the same, he's 43rd, 43rd, and 42nd. Wow. Just...wow.
EPIC STRUGGLE WITH JORDAN AARON: (75-72 YSU win)
Cole: 37 min, 3-6 shooting, 7 pts, 5 ast.
Aaron: 40 min, 5-9 shooting, 13 pts, 8 ast.
Actually, I...I don't know what to say about that. (thinking...deciding to move on without snappy remark)
He's a friendly-enough-looking guy. Maybe he'd be real enthusiastic if you kept him here:
(http://binaryapi.ap.org/7235802520004075b6b981aca193d737/460x.jpg)
WAIT FORGET THAT NOT TIL FEBRUARY. Just stay riiiiiiiight there. THAT's the ticket...
THE PART WHERE I PREDICT THE SAME THING THAT RPIFORECAST DOES:
Valpo by 3. 62% chance of win. THE ROAD STREAK LIVETH
Quote from: HC on January 26, 2013, 01:48:09 PMValpo is much better then CSU in every aspect of the game.
Sure they are, but are they better than Youngstown?
Well since CSU was playing right along with YSU at the time I posted that I was pointing out that since Valpo is much better then CSU at everything we should be just fine in our next game against YSU.
Game time: 1/30/13 7:05 p.m. EST / 6:05 p.m. CST
ESPN 3 http://espn.go.com/watchespn/index/_/id/745814/valparaiso-vs-youngstown-state-exclusive (http://espn.go.com/watchespn/index/_/id/745814/valparaiso-vs-youngstown-state-exclusive)
Livebox: http://www.freelivebox.eu/%3bmatchid-130128140615-link-1-watch-Valparaiso-vs-Youngstown-St..html (http://www.freelivebox.eu/%3bmatchid-130128140615-link-1-watch-Valparaiso-vs-Youngstown-St..html)
First Row: http://www.Firstrowsports.eu (http://www.firstrowsports.eu)
Please share any other feeds you know about here.
Always remember that no one is vouching for the safety of these websites and you use them at your own risk.
Quote from: bbtds on January 29, 2013, 09:47:43 AM
Game time: 1/30/13 7:05 p.m. EST / 6:05 p.m. CST
ESPN 3 http://espn.go.com/watchespn/index/_/id/745814/valparaiso-vs-youngstown-state-exclusive (http://espn.go.com/watchespn/index/_/id/745814/valparaiso-vs-youngstown-state-exclusive)
Livebox: http://www.freelivebox.eu/%3bmatchid-130128140615-link-1-watch-Valparaiso-vs-Youngstown-St..html (http://www.freelivebox.eu/%3bmatchid-130128140615-link-1-watch-Valparaiso-vs-Youngstown-St..html)
Please share any other feeds you know about here.
Always remember that no one is vouching for the safety of these websites and you use them at your own risk.
What confidence level do you have of that freelivebox link actually working? The combination of DirecTV for TV and Time Warner for internet apparently means I can't watch any ESPN3 games.
Quote from: a3uge on January 29, 2013, 09:51:37 AM
Quote from: bbtds on January 29, 2013, 09:47:43 AM
Game time: 1/30/13 7:05 p.m. EST / 6:05 p.m. CST
ESPN 3 http://espn.go.com/watchespn/index/_/id/745814/valparaiso-vs-youngstown-state-exclusive (http://espn.go.com/watchespn/index/_/id/745814/valparaiso-vs-youngstown-state-exclusive)
Livebox: http://www.freelivebox.eu/%3bmatchid-130128140615-link-1-watch-Valparaiso-vs-Youngstown-St..html (http://www.freelivebox.eu/%3bmatchid-130128140615-link-1-watch-Valparaiso-vs-Youngstown-St..html)
Please share any other feeds you know about here.
Always remember that no one is vouching for the safety of these websites and you use them at your own risk.
What confidence level do you have of that freelivebox link actually working? The combination of DirecTV for TV and Time Warner for internet apparently means I can't watch any ESPN3 games.
What I have found is that with some websites you have to download their player if you don't already have it. When downloading websites will attach all kinds of advertising tools and bookmark bars, tool bars, change your homepage etc. I have yet to find the need to download their player because I have ESPN 3. Unfortunately Wiziwig doesn't do many college basketball games. The only one I could find was Livebox. I would wait for more because I'm sure there are better ones that other posters know about. Sometimes they work better for Europeans too. Many of the websites come from Europe and feature cricket or soccer(football).
The whole purpose of this thread was to get ahead of the game for those like you who can't get ESPN 3.
Quote from: a3uge on January 29, 2013, 09:51:37 AM
What confidence level do you have of that freelivebox link actually working? The combination of DirecTV for TV and Time Warner for internet apparently means I can't watch any ESPN3 games.
A quick web search reveals quite a few people in your boat who are completely fed up with TW not giving access to ESPN3 unless you have cable through them.
Seems like the only *legal* alternative is to change ISPs.
Firstrowsports.eu has worked for all but one of our ESPN 3/U games for me this year. Are we ever going to not have a game on ESPN 3? I know the ESPN logo and name is nice to have, but I can't really see any advantage over the HL site.
Quote from: bbtds on January 29, 2013, 10:03:07 AMWhen downloading websites will attach all kinds of advertising tools and bookmark bars, tool bars, change your homepage etc.
When going to these types of sites I suggest having a script blocker browser add-on which prevents the site from running scripts for viruses and things like unwanted installs. NoScript for FireFox and NotScripts for Chrome are two of the common ones. Saved me many a time.
Quote from: FWalum on January 29, 2013, 12:39:21 PM
Quote from: bbtds on January 29, 2013, 10:03:07 AMWhen downloading websites will attach all kinds of advertising tools and bookmark bars, tool bars, change your homepage etc.
When going to these types of sites I suggest having a script blocker browser add-on which prevents the site from running scripts for viruses and things like unwanted installs. NoScript for FireFox and NotScripts for Chrome are two of the common ones. Saved me many a time.
I'm on Ubuntu. Problem solved.
Quote from: govalpogo on January 29, 2013, 11:46:45 AM
Firstrowsports.eu has worked for all but one of our ESPN 3/U games for me this year. Are we ever going to not have a game on ESPN 3? I know the ESPN logo and name is nice to have, but I can't really see any advantage over the HL site.
I appreciate the alternate production, from time to time. Different announcers (though Todd's hard to beat), etc. Do they bring their own cameras? I know I sort of expect better/more camera work, better access to replays, I don't remember if this is actually true in practice.
Does the streaming bring sort of a different set of issues to the table? Maybe fewer complete outages, but somewhat lower average quality?
They have better archiving.
But, I do sympathize. I'm sure I'd feel differently if I didn't have access to ESPN3. I'd happily, selfishly, toss the ESPNU games in favor of HLN. Just because I don't happen to get ESPNU.
Quote from: bbtds on January 29, 2013, 10:03:07 AMWhat I have found is that with some websites you have to download their player if you don't already have it. When downloading websites will attach all kinds of advertising tools and bookmark bars, tool bars, change your homepage etc.
Some fraction of the sites seem to _not_ require any particularly special player, but to have a whole bunch of advertising that tries to get you to click on it, claiming to download "necessary" players, using all kinds of nefarious techniques.
I'd suggest specifically _not_ clicking on any "download" buttons, trying to close all ads, etc. until you're sure you really _don't_ have the necessary software. And that it's not just some complicated effort to infect your computer.
Quote from: govalpogo on January 29, 2013, 11:46:45 AM
Firstrowsports.eu has worked for all but one of our ESPN 3/U games for me this year. Are we ever going to not have a game on ESPN 3? I know the ESPN logo and name is nice to have, but I can't really see any advantage over the HL site.
The WSU game was not on espn3, and I looked last night and found no HLN complete archive of the game.
By the way, I love espn3 because full screen works on my laptop. HLN full screen does not. I can hear the audio, but the video is a black screen.
I love ESPN3 because I can play it right on my Sony Bravia flat screen TV! I sometimes also play Todd on the radio and try to sync them up rather than listen to the ESPN announcers but they are not terrible if I can't get it to work reasonably well.
Quote from: StlVUFan on January 29, 2013, 01:42:17 PMBy the way, I love espn3 because full screen works on my laptop. HLN full screen does not. I can hear the audio, but the video is a black screen.
Ah, funny! What platform? I've had no problem full-screening HLN.
Quote from: agibson on January 29, 2013, 03:36:19 PM
Quote from: StlVUFan on January 29, 2013, 01:42:17 PMBy the way, I love espn3 because full screen works on my laptop. HLN full screen does not. I can hear the audio, but the video is a black screen.
Ah, funny! What platform? I've had no problem full-screening HLN.
Windows 7 Home
There is no link yet on First Row Sports for the Valpo at YSU game but that doesn't mean there won't be one. Also I heard if you communicate with the pirates on their message boards (since it's on ESPN) they will usually provide a feed if they know there is enough interest. No gold coin needed for the pirates. Just numbers of viewers that make it worthwhile for them.
I'm glad I got espn watch. Sounds like a pain in the but talking to pirates.
If you have an Xbox and a gold membership you can download ESPN3 there as well.
I'm excited for another game finally! Slow down KP and Valpo wins going away.
Here's my take on the game, http://sectionee.blogspot.com/2013/01/game-plan-ysu.html?m=1 (http://sectionee.blogspot.com/2013/01/game-plan-ysu.html?m=1)
Quote from: VUfan on January 25, 2013, 05:04:16 PMRoad Games are all a Challenge in the Horizon league
At least one of the contributing factors to the difficulty of road games has been diminished, since Valpo flew to YSU a day early rather than take a very long bus ride. I'm also hoping the flight back rather than a road trip will lessen the fatigue factor for Friday night's game, although beating Milwaukee should not be too challenging.
Strong chemistry drives Crusaders
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/strong-chemistry-drives-crusaders/article_df23743b-1a95-505a-8077-188a28156426.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/strong-chemistry-drives-crusaders/article_df23743b-1a95-505a-8077-188a28156426.html)
Quote from: valpopal on January 29, 2013, 08:24:43 PMalthough beating Milwaukee should not be too challenging.
If the players think like that they will.......................................................................win anyway because the Crusaders have far superior talent.
OK, those of you with the RPI-calculator in hand... assuming we beat YSU and UWM by 20 points each...given their less-than-stellar rippys, will our overall rippy fall too much? or will being 18-5 going into BBuster announcement day help us overcome these lower rated teams? I know we can't look at these games in a vacuum since there are a couple of hundred games between now and Monday... but just askin'...
All I care about is that after beating YSU we will be 7-1 in January and that was what I thought was a very optimistic prediction especially after the opening conference loss to Loyola.
By the way, what exactly is a rippy? Is it related to an ass whooping? Or a donkey loud noise?
Quote from: talksalot on January 29, 2013, 09:59:16 PMassuming we beat YSU and UWM by 20 points each...given their less-than-stellar rippys, will our overall rippy fall too much?
I've not looked at it recently, but when I saw that the Bracketbuster pairings were getting delayed by a week, I worried that it would hurt us.
A win on the road at Loyola may help our RPI a little. But, I'm concerned that a win against Milwaukee, at our place, will have an even greater negative effect.
Hopefully name recognition, the ARC atmosphere, etc. will help us get a decent game.
I win over YSU will definitely move Valpo's RPI. The Crusaders are currently 83rd. Tomorrow at this time they'll be closer to 76 or 77 (meaning a win). Then on Friday, they'll likely lose a few spots back with a win over Milwaukee.
Quote from: talksalot on January 29, 2013, 09:59:16 PM
OK, those of you with the RPI-calculator in hand... assuming we beat YSU and UWM by 20 points each...given their less-than-stellar rippys, will our overall rippy fall too much? or will being 18-5 going into BBuster announcement day help us overcome these lower rated teams? I know we can't look at these games in a vacuum since there are a couple of hundred games between now and Monday... but just askin'...
Winning by 20 points is irrelevant to RPI. We can win by 1 in each game and the impact will be exactly the same.
Did anyone watch the Saturday afternoon game Cleveland State at Youngstown State?
That last highlight of Eargle getting "raked" across the face and throwing up a shot that just barely bounced in was remarkable. It looked like this game came down to turnovers. When Youngstown kept their turnovers down they pushed out to a 8 to 10 point lead. After YSU started making turnovers Lee and Forbes starting hitting shots and brought the Vikings back in the game to even take a one point lead. Then Youngstown started taking care of the ball and pushed the lead way out while CSU had no way to stop the Penguins impressive attack.
Vegas line has Valpo -4.
We have been playing well and are hot, wish we wouldn't have been idle.... Hopefully we will pick up where we left off before the short break.
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 30, 2013, 07:05:50 AM
Vegas line has Valpo -4.
We have been playing well and are hot, wish we wouldn't have been idle.... Hopefully we will pick up where we left off before the short break.
yeah, we've been hot, so the lack of play sucks. but maybe a little extra rest will be a bit of a boost to close out jan and move into feb.
I think we are really starting to click and players are accepting their roles... I think the game will go back and forth with us pulling ahead in the middle of the second half... (However, I am hoping our lead is so much that we decide to put our cheerleaders in for the the last 5 minutes.)
someone asked what a rippy is... that's phoenetically spelling RPI... or, we could talk like a pirate, and say aaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrpi.
It will be interesting to see how we come out tonight... "rested" or "rusted". It was nice for the conference to arrange the charter flight (each team gets one for the year) from Valpo to Youngstown... They used a charter for the Missourah State game & Oakland... but that was paid for by a donor, not the league.
YST has won three in a row... but I believe we are really motivated... and we certainly won't be looking ahead to the next opponent.
Shot first row sports an e-mail earlier and lo and behold the Valparaiso vs Youngstown St game is on their website now. I'm not sure if my e-mail actually did any good but the game is there.
That is awesome that we have a few charter flights this year. Is that something we have done in previous years? That is a selling point for a mid-major program to recruits, as that is definitely not common for most schools our size/prestige
Quote from: valpotx on January 30, 2013, 10:47:52 AM
That is awesome that we have a few charter flights this year. Is that something we have done in previous years? That is a selling point for a mid-major program to recruits, as that is definitely not common for most schools our size/prestige
Probably a direct result of the two times Butler went to the National Championship game. That money came to the conference and was something Butler left behind when they left for the A-10.
I just noticed that YSU has Larry Johnson Jr (son of long-time Charlotte Hornet, ex-UNLV star Larry Johnson) on their roster, though he has not played this year. Does anyone know if he is not good, injured, redshirted?
They seem to play a set rotation of 7, so not very deep. They have some similar height to us, and their 6'10" guy does play 17 minutes/game. Depending on if he is a banger, maybe Vashil can get some minutes if KVW and Bobby have foul issues. I really would like to see him play at least 4-5 minutes/game from here on out to develop his skills, and keep our other bigs out of foul trouble. He is not bad on defense, though he does have a tendency to put his arms diagonally instead of straight up as he should. He showed a decent move or two on offense 2-3 games ago, and actually caught a few passes in traffic for once.
ESPN3 says it is an exclusive game. Any idea what this means? Will I be able to watch it?
Quote from: valpocleveland on January 30, 2013, 05:25:52 PM
ESPN3 says it is an exclusive game. Any idea what this means? Will I be able to watch it?
It just means exclusive to ESPN 3 and not on any of the other ESPN TV channels (ESPN, ESPNU, ESPN2, etc.).
What you don't want is one that says "subject to blackout."
I've got the stream up... watchespn.com but I'm a comcast/xfinity customer... so far, someone needs to box out Eargle. Pullease.
At least does anyone have working live stats? As of this moment, YSU's live stats, ESPN.com, and cbssports.com are all frozen with 5:30 left in the first. Gosh I hate Youngstown... but I do love Handel's http://handelsicecream.com/ (http://handelsicecream.com/)
The only thing working for me is WAKE.
Dority needs to sit the rest of the game
Working great on my Xbox! Now about the play of our team in that first half :o
What a lifeless go-thru-the-motions 1st half that was. Dority, Bogan, Coleman and Kinney might as well be in street clothes for as much as they've contributed. Ryan has got to get more involved in the offense. We've been fortunate to get away with this kind of stuff before. Hopefully, we can do it again, but this kind of inconsistent play has got to stop if we ever hope to achieve what we think is our rightful destiny.
Quote from: bbtds on January 30, 2013, 07:19:52 PMDoes anyone know why Kenney didn't start the 2nd half and hasn't played since halftime?
Radio says he's having back problems.
This team looks terrible. They can't get anything going. Why is vashil in. Why can't bogan make a shot
the idle time hurt us.
Is Kenney sick, hurt or what.
Every loose ball, odd rebound and crazy shot has gone YSU's way tonight. This has been a horrible game.
Quote from: FWalum on January 30, 2013, 07:48:53 PM
Is Kenney sick, hurt or what.
Every loose ball, odd rebound and crazy shot has gone YSU's way tonight. This has been a horrible game.
Quote from: a3uge on January 30, 2013, 07:22:12 PM
Quote from: bbtds on January 30, 2013, 07:19:52 PMDoes anyone know why Kenney didn't start the 2nd half and hasn't played since halftime?
Radio says he's having back problems.
The hesitance of this team at times just kills me.
Man - not our night.
Broekhoff missing multiple FT's? Sitting on the bench for a _long_ time in the second half, timeout from YSU, Rowdy stays out, and Bryce calls _another_ timeout, his last, thirdy seconds later to bring him?
Looked... maybe a little feverish? Not that we want to hear about viruses. Maybe should have skipped the haircut.
So many missed FT's for coleman. And others.
Kenney playing injured for a half, ineffectively.
Not good.
Did I miss the news report on Kenney's injury? Todd said he hardly practiced all week.
It's a stinker, folks.
Also an ungodly performance by the Penguins. Their basket has been an ocean tonight, ours a dixie cup.
Terrible game by us, need to rebound by Friday and not get caught sleepwalking against Milwaukee. I can stomach this loss, even though we should have won. The only other game I am concerned about is at Green Bay, since we usually play like crap there. If we end up 12-4 in conference, we should win the league still.
The reason why we lost is 3-20 from 3...19-31 from free throw. In our pas sucess van wijk has been a key and we didn't turn that key tonight.
Quote from: truth219 on January 30, 2013, 08:10:41 PMvan wijk has been a key and we didn't turn that key tonight.
Those last two free throws by Van Wijk were just awful for a guy who has improved his free throw percentage greatly over last year. You could tell the team was just not into the comeback at that point in the game.
Its frustrating when we try to force our 3 point shooting. If we are not making them...look inside
http://sectionee.blogspot.com/2013/01/ysu-recap-blarg.html?m=1 (http://sectionee.blogspot.com/2013/01/ysu-recap-blarg.html?m=1)
I was really discouraged by Ryan's poor play and his two game shooting slump and the whole teams lack of energy. I hope Ryan is just off the last two games and not battling a minor injury or illness.
I Am Very Disappointed! [HQ 1080p] [Gary Oldman - 5th Element] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84zY33QZO5o#ws)
Thank you bbtds
Like Tex said, 1 loss is not the end of the world, but it does change a lot of the discussion we've been having about things that would make this a special season. At this point our BB opponent is basically inconsequential. The only thing that really matters is finding a way to win the league, host the tournament, and hopefully win it. We now have too many bad losses and RPI killers to hope for anything better than a 15 seed (a 14 would be a huge long shot) and inevitable 1st round loss. That would still be a good season and hopefully set the stage for better things in the future. Anything less than that from this experienced, talented group would be a disappointment the likes of which none of us will forget for a very long time.
Quote from: StlVUFan on January 30, 2013, 08:05:01 PM
Also an ungodly performance by the Penguins. Their basket has been an ocean tonight, ours a dixie cup.
Nice contrast to sum things up. Also, you get points for using water over ice as an analogy for a Penguins game.
I didn't listen to the radio post-game interview with Luke Gore. If anyone did, would you please share what he had to say about why we played so badly.
One caveat - If he referred to sickness, injuries, too much time between games, delayed flight, not being in their own beds, time change adjustment, or other "extenuating circumstances," simply ignore my request. ;)
Let's be honest, has this season been special so far.
Quote from: govalpogo on January 30, 2013, 08:34:55 PM
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Quote from: truth219 on January 30, 2013, 09:16:52 PM
Let's be honest, has this season been special so far.
Tied for best D1 start at 15-5? Presumably best Horizon League start at 6-1?
That's not bad.
This would have been one of the 3 road games I would have seen us most likely to lose. Not a huge upset.
Most likely 3 losses were Detroit, Green Bay, and YSU. I expected one loss at home, but not to Loyola. 4 losses is our pace at the half. Detroit is the key team to keep out of the top two and we still control our destiny for any tie with them.
Just play on.
Quote from: wh on January 30, 2013, 09:09:52 PMI didn't listen to the radio post-game interview with Luke Gore. If anyone did, would you please share what he had to say about why we played so badly.
I usually quite enjoy the post-games. But, I didn't have the stomach to listen to this one, nor after the Loyola loss.
I'll get crucified for this but i'll say it anyway. We played AS BAD as possible, and on the road, and all the while, YSU shoots lights out, and, we lose by 12? (that has to be some sort of run on sentence!)
A few thing were terribly wrong from the get go with Matt effectively out and Rowdy (maybe sick as well?) playing not his best game. We miss what? 12 free throws? Still, we only turned it over 12 times while shooting 15% from the 3. If anybody hasn't noticed yet, save Ryan, we aren't a very good shooting team and even KV missed bunnies tonight.
Terrible game but its over. Now to figure it out and beat Milwaukee. If we don't, then we have other issues. I think Ryan is under the weather (just a guess) but this is where our depth is suppose to kick in. Let's hope so...
Was at the game. Depth did keep us in it -- Boggs, Coleman and Dority played better and covered for lapses. We failed to feed KVW enough. Shooting percentages were atrocious. They were open looks. We have got to knock them down, but when we miss the first couple, we clutch. I'll take win 9/10 and then have a clunker on the long and windy road. We need to duplicate the 6-2 in 2d half and we should clinch home court.
Quote from: wh on January 30, 2013, 08:50:36 PM
Like Tex said, 1 loss is not the end of the world, but it does change a lot of the discussion we've been having about things that would make this a special season. At this point our BB opponent is basically inconsequential. The only thing that really matters is finding a way to win the league, host the tournament, and hopefully win it. We now have too many bad losses and RPI killers to hope for anything better than a 15 seed (a 14 would be a huge long shot) and inevitable 1st round loss. That would still be a good season and hopefully set the stage for better things in the future. Anything less than that from this experienced, talented group would be a disappointment the likes of which none of us will forget for a very long time.
wh, you know I love ya, but I don't think you realize how many bad conference leaders are out there. Right now,the Horizon is ranked 12th in the Sagarin's and Valpo/Detroit are around 80. I counted 12 conferences ranked lower than the horizon with leaders ranked lower than 80.
Examples: The Southeastern, ranked 32 and their leader Southern U ranked 200. The Atlantic Sun ranked 24 and their leader Mercer, ranked 152. The Big South,ranked 28 and their leader Charelston Southern, ranked 155. The Mid-Eastern, ranked 30 and their leader NC Central ranked 182. The North East, ranked 25 and their leader Robert Morris ranked 150.
I could go on. We are very close to out ranking the leaders of the MAC, Sunbelt, WAC, Southland, and Summit and we have beaten Murray State the leader of the OVC. All these conferences are ranked lower than the Horizon. With a few upsets and our strong finish it is not inconceivable to come in as a 12, but probably a 13, but certainly not a 15, which would mean there were only 4 to 7 teams ranked lower than us.
Let's hope we can continue this debate coming into the Selection Show! ;) ;)
Quote from: vu72 on January 31, 2013, 07:05:01 AMWith a few upsets and our strong finish it is not inconceivable to come in as a 12, but probably a 13, but certainly not a 15, which would mean there were only 4 to 7 teams ranked lower than us.
I agree. For a team that beat Murray State, Missouri State, ran off 6 straight wins in conference and will probably win 6 more in conference a 15 seed is extremely low. Certainly Valpo is a better team than 4 to 7 of the lowest conference autobid winners. The biggest problem will be winning our own conference auto-bid and that starts with reversing the trend that started with the poor play against YSU. As Bryce said the key is how the team responds to this loss/clunker of a game.
Let's keep this in a bit of perspective. Road wins in conference are difficult -- I did this pretty quickly, so maybe I missed a game, but the road record in conference is as follows:
Valpo 3-1
Det 3-1
YSU 2-2
GB 1-3
WSU 2-2
UIC 1-3
LOY 2-2
CSU 0-5
MIL 0-4
Further, Valpo still has road games at CSU and Loyola as well -- not easy games mind you (consider the previous meeting with Loyola), but definitely winnable road games based on the standings. (The other two road games are @ WSU and GB).
So, at the half-way point in the conference season, Valpo is the best team in the conference and no team has a better road record. Most of us would have been pleased with that result if it had been made at the start of the season, so hopefull the team can go out and win them one game at a time.
Quote from: valpo95 on January 31, 2013, 09:21:48 AM
Let's keep this in a bit of perspective. Road wins in conference are difficult -- I did this pretty quickly, so maybe I missed a game, but the road record in conference is as follows:
Valpo 3-1
Det 3-1
YSU 2-2
GB 1-3
WSU 2-2
UIC 1-3
LOY 2-2
CSU 0-5
MIL 0-4
Further, Valpo still has road games at CSU and Loyola as well -- not easy games mind you (consider the previous meeting with Loyola), but definitely winnable road games based on the standings. (The other two road games are @ WSU and GB).
So, at the half-way point in the conference season, Valpo is the best team in the conference and no team has a better road record. Most of us would have been pleased with that result if it had been made at the start of the season, so hopefull the team can go out and win them one game at a time.
i don't think you're giving green bay enough credit. in my mind, that's our toughest road game remaining. green bay is incredibly resilient, especially at home. that game has all the makings of a potential disaster.
Let's be thankful that there really aren't any games that are assured road wins in the HL. We used to beat up on the Summit on the road by double digits often, which just shows how great of a conference move we FINALLY made. If we win the BB game and go 6-2 in the second half of conference, we will be 23-8 heading into the conference tournament. In order to get into the NCAA tournament we have to win our conference tournament, and would thus be 25-8 at that point. It is highly unlikely that we would be lower than a 14 seed with that record/assumed increased RPI, probably more of a 13.
Quote from: vu72 on January 31, 2013, 07:05:01 AM
Quote from: wh on January 30, 2013, 08:50:36 PM
Like Tex said, 1 loss is not the end of the world, but it does change a lot of the discussion we've been having about things that would make this a special season. At this point our BB opponent is basically inconsequential. The only thing that really matters is finding a way to win the league, host the tournament, and hopefully win it. We now have too many bad losses and RPI killers to hope for anything better than a 15 seed (a 14 would be a huge long shot) and inevitable 1st round loss. That would still be a good season and hopefully set the stage for better things in the future. Anything less than that from this experienced, talented group would be a disappointment the likes of which none of us will forget for a very long time.
wh, you know I love ya, but I don't think you realize how many bad conference leaders are out there. Right now,the Horizon is ranked 12th in the Sagarin's and Valpo/Detroit are around 80. I counted 12 conferences ranked lower than the horizon with leaders ranked lower than 80.
Examples: The Southeastern, ranked 32 and their leader Southern U ranked 200. The Atlantic Sun ranked 24 and their leader Mercer, ranked 152. The Big South,ranked 28 and their leader Charelston Southern, ranked 155. The Mid-Eastern, ranked 30 and their leader NC Central ranked 182. The North East, ranked 25 and their leader Robert Morris ranked 150.
I could go on. We are very close to out ranking the leaders of the MAC, Sunbelt, WAC, Southland, and Summit and we have beaten Murray State the leader of the OVC. All these conferences are ranked lower than the Horizon. With a few upsets and our strong finish it is not inconceivable to come in as a 12, but probably a 13, but certainly not a 15, which would mean there were only 4 to 7 teams ranked lower than us.
Let's hope we can continue this debate coming into the Selection Show! ;) ;)
I'd say that vu72 is correct that upsets in the tournaments for lower ranked conferences could definitely improve seeding for Valpo. With that said, I do have a couple of corrections to his comments.
1. Murray State doesn't lead the OVC; Belmont does and they currently have a RPI of 14.
2. Remember that there are six #16 seeds, so counting from the bottom, the distribution goes ... 1-6 worst = #16, 7-10 worst = #15, 11-14 = #14, 15-18 = #13, etc.
Here's a snapshot based upon this morning's RPI (not saying this is the most relevant number, so feel free to replace with your favorite metric) for the Horizon and 19 conferences ranked below the Horizon. Also, I picked the team in each conference with the best RPI, whether or not they were in first place):
Teams with RPI lower than Valpo (11 teams total): NC Asheville(176), Southern(174), Wagner(139), Savannah St(124), Davidson(121), George Mason(116), Florida Gulf Coast(113), Montana(111), Long Beach(108), Iona(97), Harvard(92)
Valpo(91) - 12th in ranking from worst to best (would slot as a 14 seed using only this metric)
Teams with RPI better than Valpo (8 total): Stony Brook(82), S.F.Austin(76), Akron(67), N.D.State(56), Bucknell(53), LA Tech(44), Middle Tenn(29), Belmont(14)
Definitely nothing definitive here, but it does provide justification for why Valpo is appearing on the #14 line right now and shows some of the higher rated teams it must pass (or who must be upset in their tournaments) for Valpo to move higher.
Quote from: vu72 on January 31, 2013, 07:05:01 AMWith a few upsets and our strong finish it is not inconceivable to come in as a 12, but probably a 13, but certainly not a 15, which would mean there were only 4 to 7 teams ranked lower than us.
Maybe this has already been covered - sorry to be lazy and reply without reading the whole thread.
I had to remind myself what the format is like these days... Last year, with the play-ins ("first four") there were effectively six 16 seeds, five 14 seeds, and five 12 seeds. Not sure if that pattern is fixed.
If it is, getting a 15 seed means there are at least six teams worse than you. Getting a 13 seed means there are at least 15 teams worse than you.
I think I've got that right?
Quote from: agibson on January 31, 2013, 12:44:35 PM
Quote from: vu72 on January 31, 2013, 07:05:01 AMWith a few upsets and our strong finish it is not inconceivable to come in as a 12, but probably a 13, but certainly not a 15, which would mean there were only 4 to 7 teams ranked lower than us.
Maybe this has already been covered - sorry to be lazy and reply without reading the whole thread.
I had to remind myself what the format is like these days... Last year, with the play-ins ("first four") there were effectively six 16 seeds, five 14 seeds, and five 12 seeds. Not sure if that pattern is fixed.
If it is, getting a 15 seed means there are at least six teams worse than you. Getting a 13 seed means there are at least 15 teams worse than you.
I think I've got that right?
I think it's always been 4 16s, but the other 4 have sometimes been 2 11s and 2 12s or else 4 12s.
I think it depends on how strong or weak the bubble is, or something along those lines.
Quote from: StlVUFan on January 31, 2013, 01:15:14 PM
Quote from: agibson on January 31, 2013, 12:44:35 PM
Quote from: vu72 on January 31, 2013, 07:05:01 AMWith a few upsets and our strong finish it is not inconceivable to come in as a 12, but probably a 13, but certainly not a 15, which would mean there were only 4 to 7 teams ranked lower than us.
Maybe this has already been covered - sorry to be lazy and reply without reading the whole thread.
I had to remind myself what the format is like these days... Last year, with the play-ins ("first four") there were effectively six 16 seeds, five 14 seeds, and five 12 seeds. Not sure if that pattern is fixed.
If it is, getting a 15 seed means there are at least six teams worse than you. Getting a 13 seed means there are at least 15 teams worse than you.
I think I've got that right?
I think it's always been 4 16s, but the other 4 have sometimes been 2 11s and 2 12s or else 4 12s.
I think it depends on how strong or weak the bubble is, or something along those lines.
The new "First Four" round is pretty confusing, so I did a little research. In 2011, these games were on the #11 and #12 lines, while last year they were a #12 and a #14.
The selection committee takes the 31 automatic qualifiers and then selects the best 37 at-large teams to fill the 68 team field. All teams are then ranked 1 through 68 and brackets are set as follows:
1. The four lowest rated teams play for an opportunity to advance to the round of 64. By definition, these will always be on the #16 line.
2. The four lowest rated at-large teams will also play to advance to the round of 64. Which line these games fall on is determined by where they fall in the overall rankings.
It really comes down to how many of the automatic qualifiers are rated below the last at-large teams. In a year where lots of "mediocre" teams get in by winning their conference tournaments, the at-large First Four games will be on the #11 or #12 lines. In a year where traditionally lower rated conferences have good teams winning their tournaments (Belmont or Middle Tenn, for example), those teams will be seeded higher than the last at-large teams getting in and will push the at-large First Four games down a few lines, to #13 or even #14 like last year.
Also, keep in mind that the committee has flexibility to move teams up or down one line on the bracket to avoid things like regular season rematches, etc.
Thanks, zville, that's a much clearer explanation of what I was trying to convey (but couldn't speak intelligently about it). What I probably should have said is: there is no fixed number for what seed the higher 4 teams will be who compete in Dayton. It all depends on the field. I'm guessing the other 4 will always be #16s.
Never really expect us to win them all.... Would have been nice to win and i am sure the players are disappointed in not getting a win. Just hope theyhave a great game tomorrow since i am taking a vacation day to drive to the game.
As for our seed... I am going to try to keep looking at the next game. (however HL is a tough conference right now so i would be surprised if we get worse than a 14 seed.)
Quote from: vu72 on January 31, 2013, 07:05:01 AM
Quote from: wh on January 30, 2013, 08:50:36 PM
Like Tex said, 1 loss is not the end of the world, but it does change a lot of the discussion we've been having about things that would make this a special season. At this point our BB opponent is basically inconsequential. The only thing that really matters is finding a way to win the league, host the tournament, and hopefully win it. We now have too many bad losses and RPI killers to hope for anything better than a 15 seed (a 14 would be a huge long shot) and inevitable 1st round loss. That would still be a good season and hopefully set the stage for better things in the future. Anything less than that from this experienced, talented group would be a disappointment the likes of which none of us will forget for a very long time.
wh, you know I love ya, but I don't think you realize how many bad conference leaders are out there. Right now,the Horizon is ranked 12th in the Sagarin's and Valpo/Detroit are around 80. I counted 12 conferences ranked lower than the horizon with leaders ranked lower than 80.
Examples: The Southeastern, ranked 32 and their leader Southern U ranked 200. The Atlantic Sun ranked 24 and their leader Mercer, ranked 152. The Big South,ranked 28 and their leader Charelston Southern, ranked 155. The Mid-Eastern, ranked 30 and their leader NC Central ranked 182. The North East, ranked 25 and their leader Robert Morris ranked 150.
I could go on. We are very close to out ranking the leaders of the MAC, Sunbelt, WAC, Southland, and Summit and we have beaten Murray State the leader of the OVC. All these conferences are ranked lower than the Horizon. With a few upsets and our strong finish it is not inconceivable to come in as a 12, but probably a 13, but certainly not a 15, which would mean there were only 4 to 7 teams ranked lower than us.
Let's hope we can continue this debate coming into the Selection Show! ;) ;)
You are of course correct in what you are saying. I'm afraid I let my disappointment over the outcome of last night's game cloud my better judgement. :-[
Go Crusaders!
Quote from: StlVUFan on January 31, 2013, 04:07:33 PMWhat I probably should have said is: there is no fixed number for what seed the higher 4 teams will be who compete in Dayton. It all depends on the field.
Nope, I don't think that explains it any better.It was zville's long explanation that really helped me understand.