VU 72
Oakland 68
All hands on deck for this one. Most important game of the year.
Paul
I understand that "Kampe is going to Kampe" but I'm having real trouble understanding something. In the last 9 games Brad Brechting has averaged 7.5 MPG, and doesn't score, shoot or do anything really in his 7 minutes (1.6 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 1 block per game, 1.5 fouls per game). Yet he's started every one of these games. In the same time Percy Gibson and Martez Walker have averaged 20 mpg a piece. Why they don't start Gibson anymore is beyond me.
Anyway we need this one big time, I don't want to have to worry about needing a sweep during the Wisconsin trip.
Quote from: Kyle321n on February 17, 2016, 10:09:31 AM
I understand that "Kampe is going to Kampe" but I'm having real trouble understanding something. In the last 9 games Brad Brechting has averaged 7.5 MPG, and doesn't score, shoot or do anything really in his 7 minutes (1.6 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 1 block per game, 1.5 fouls per game). Yet he's started every one of these games. In the same time Percy Gibson and Martez Walker have averaged 20 mpg a piece. Why they don't start Gibson anymore is beyond me.
Anyway we need this one big time, I don't want to have to worry about needing a sweep during the Wisconsin trip.
Kampe has basicly acknowledged that Gibson is head case. His feeling must be that he is better off the bench in the same way as Bryce has changed his starting five from last year. This game scares the heck out of me. Oakland has figured it out and blew Wright State out twice. Us? not so much. They are incredibly athletic and if they play together are every bit as good as us. Not predicting a loss but the flat, underwhelming performances of the last few games just won't get it done Friday.
It's not the same Oakland team we smashed in Detroit earlier this year.
I have a feeling we'll come out flat while Oakland comes ready to play and pumped to win this one. Then we'll be stuck with another disappointing loss. Hope I'm wrong.
I never pick against Valpo, but had I not watched the 2nd half of yesterday's game I may have had to here. I really think Valpo rediscovered itself in the 2nd half offensively (minus all the subbing in and out). Oakland is better then when we first matched up, but also very capable of giving up a lot of points. Kay Felder is going to shoot 20+ times and when this happens, Valpo wins.
I will go with a 84-77 Valpo Victory.
We need to play a full 40 minutes!
Valpo 83
Oakland 70
Ode to our best friend - Oakland's matador defense:
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mK5EOtprDQ#)
matador defense (mat'-uh-dor' de'-fens) noun. A lackluster, low-effort form of defense in which the defender simply reaches for the ball and then quickly pulls his hand away -- similar to how a matador pulls his cape out of the way of a charging bull -- as the offensive player drives by him for an easy shot at the hoop.
Well this game is why you play or why you are fan, the outcome is important, play off Ball! enjoy! Valpo has played winning Ball in many more of these games then Oakland.The Team has worked hard the win these games, Show your stuff! VU 78 OU 72 ;D
Quote from: vu72 on February 17, 2016, 10:26:55 AMNot predicting a loss but the flat, underwhelming performances of the last few games just won't get it done Friday.
Totally agree with this. It can not be another flat, underwhelming, performance by Valpo or a loss is assured.
I don't usually make predictions but I will say that if Oakland gets off to a fast start we will have a tough time overcoming it given our propensity toward starting slowly. If Oakland gains confidence it could be a long night. And if it comes down to the final possession who is our go to guy? Alec is our best player but he can't create his own shot like Rowdy could. So it comes down to whichever guard has the ball. I don't think any of them have shown that they can come through in the clutch when the game is on the line because we haven't had that many close games. This game will tell us a lot about what kind of team this is when the pressure is on. That we have the talent to win easily I have no doubt. Will we? We shall see.
Who is this a must win for?This game is more important for who?
Valpo 74
Oakland 62
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 18, 2016, 07:38:10 AM
Who is this a must win for?This game is more important for who?
Well here's what happens if each team loses and wins...
If Valpo wins:HL Standings
-We essentially clinch top 2 seed in the league and have a 3 game lead in the loss column with 3 games remaining.
NCAA Standing-It's not a top 100 win, but it could end the season in a top 100 win (They are at 118 in RPI)
If Valpo Loses:HL Standings
-Only a 1 game lead with 3 games to go and the road trip in Wisconsin. Puts us in jeopardy of the 3 way tie for the 1 seed, which isn't good since the tiebreakers aren't in our favor
NCAA Standing-Officially ends all thought an at large if we lose in Detroit.
-Drops us out of conversation for an 11 or lower seed and puts us in the San Diego St, Hawaii and UNC Wilmington range for Auto-Qualifiers (13, 14 seed)
If Oakland wins:HL Standings
-1 game back of the 1 seed, and essentially locks up a double bye due to tie breakers.
NCAA Standing-A road top 75 win paired with taking MSU to OT and a win at Washington puts them in the conversation of a 12 or 13 seed if they win in Detroit
If Oakland Loses:HL Standings
-Tied with Wright State for the 2 seed with 2 games to go doesn't sound good, but it's UIC and Detroit and they own the H2H tiebreaker.
NCAA Standing-Eh, they were going to be a 14 or 15 seed if they win in Detroit anyway.
I think it's pretty obvious for which team this game is bigger.
Quote from: Kyle321n on February 18, 2016, 11:05:24 AM
I think it's pretty obvious for which team this game is bigger.
I actually don't think it is 100% obvious for which team this game is bigger for. I see it as Valpo has a lot to lose and Oakland has a lot to gain. But regardless, this game is HUGE.
It's not a must win for Valpo for much of anything, although it kinda feels like it, as a loss does is make the final three games as "must wins" which is both disappointing and unsettling... especially after what would be losing two in a row at home and needing a flawless 5-0 run to get into the dance. But a loss does not lose the double bye and it doesn't lose the regular season crown, so let's not jump off a cliff if we lose...we just have to buckle down and find ourselves again. Also, we have to move along from the at-large stuff and if Valpo is in the NCAA tourney, we are an 11-13 seed, most of which will probably be decided on geographic location, like the last two dances, I really don't think a win or loss changes it.
But for Oakland, I feel like this is their moment to shine. It is sort of a must-win for them if they want a chance at a share of the regular season Horizon League Crown and after losses to YSU and NKU, wouldn't they just love that. One thing to consider is that a revenge win would give them undeniably great amount of momentum for the tournament in Detroit, as they have proven that they can beat everyone in the conference. A win is validation that their close game with MSU and win over Washington weren't flukes. With a win, they get a top 100 win for a post-season resume and would likely finish 9-0 on the road in Horizon League play, which is extremely difficult to do.
I hope we sell out the ARC. There are NO excuses.
Quote from: HailVU2014 on February 18, 2016, 02:21:00 PM
I hope we sell out the ARC. There are NO excuses.
Haha, you say that like I can come up with a list...
- It's going to be 50 degrees at tip off, that's way to nice to sit inside a stuffy gym. Let's go to the beach!
- Valpo High School boys compete in the Campbell-Meridian Rivalry up the road against Chesterton (I don't know if this is what it's actually called but it should be)
- Dunes Birds and Brews (http://www.indianadunes.com/events/craft-house-dunes-birds-and-brews/) is tomorrow! How can the birder in me miss this?
- The Wizard of Oz (http://www.memorialoperahouse.com/events/the-wizard-of-oz) opens up at the Memorial Opera House!
- I can't miss opening night of Kaleidoscope (https://www.facebook.com/events/979402475484685/)
There will be 3500 people at the ARC, it'll be loud at tip off, when "Timber" plays, and possibly at the end of the game.
I don't think VHS will have a game. They don't have school tomorrow due to a busted water pipe.
Quote from: HC on February 18, 2016, 03:40:08 PM
I don't think VHS will have a game. They don't have school tomorrow due to a busted water pipe.
It's up at Cheesetown, so they might still have the game.
Quote from: Kyle321n on February 18, 2016, 02:34:18 PMDunes Birds and Brews is tomorrow! How can the birder in me miss this?
The Brews portion of that does sound interesting but what species of Dunes Birds will they be serving?
Quote from: Kyle321n on February 18, 2016, 02:34:18 PMThere will be 3500 people at the ARC, it'll be loud at tip off, when "Timber" plays, and possibly at the end of the game.
Just checked the E-tix available seating chart and only 25 or so seats remain below. Looks like enough mezzanine are gone that a good walk up crowd could put us at or near the season high? Competing events and a blown opportunity against WSU make it very hard to make an accurate prediction but somewhere between 2500 and 5000 sounds about right. :thumbsup:
the first ever 219 day at hammond civic center!!
Valpo favored by 8.5.
I'm hoping for a huge crowd and great energy. My gold (yellow ;))Valpo hoodie, Crusader T, and custom fit Valpo cap are locked and loaded. It should be a good one!
Just Ducky says that attendance of 2500 to 5000 "sounds right." I think he has a future as a weatherman who picks a high temperature between 25 and 50.
If this Oakland game doesn't bring 4,000+ let's just prohibit the arena talk going forward. We don't go up against juggernauts like Room 222, the Brady Bunch, and the Partridge Family any more. 4,000 is no problem.
Quote from: wh on February 18, 2016, 10:09:41 PM
I'm hoping for a huge crowd and great energy. My gold (yellow ;))Valpo hoodie, Crusader T, and custom fit Valpo cap are locked and loaded. It should be a good one!
I was also expecting a great game against Wright State but they let us down horribly in what should have been a revenge game. I just don't know anymore how this team will react. Let's hope it's very positively.
ESPN-U With the coverage tomorrow... Hope the Akron / Kent State game does go into OT ! Iona and Monmouth to follow us... they have a 10pm tip on the east coast!
Quote from: Kyle321n on February 18, 2016, 02:34:18 PMQuote from: HailVU2014 on February 18, 2016, 02:21:00 PMI hope we sell out the ARC. There are NO excuses.
Haha, you say that like I can come up with a list...
Yeah, I did sort of set that one up for a list of excuses... and this pseudo-rant... Haha.
I drove all the way in from Ohio for Saturday Afternoon through Sunday Afternoon just for the Wright State game on Saturday, and I just remember being massively disappointed with how slow the student section filled up and that the usual corners and top rows of the mezz were empty. Then, I go and see that the box score listed attendance was 4987, and I felt that was a bit high as the environment was so-so and the result was awful, but alas, we move on...
But, there are really NO excuses for not selling out the ARC on Saturday. Zero. None. Nada. Yes, I know we haven't had 5432 at the ARC since we beat 2010 National Runner-Up Butler at home in OT in 2011... even though we have had 4 of 5 seasons with much better teams than the Valpo team that season, but we can at least hit 5k for this game, right? Even with the current implications for the 1 seed, regular season title, etc., this game should have been circled on everyone's calendar since it was released in September, just like our last two packed houses for 2012 against Butler and 2013 against Detroit. This game was pre-season #1 vs. #2 and it is current standings #1 vs. #2, it's the last Friday/Saturday night home game, the game is on national television on ESPNU (and is the ONLY home game this season on national tv), and it's a game against the other new kid on the HL block team and budding rival in Oakland.
You just HAVE to be over 5000 for this game. If we do not, I will go so far to say that we are doing a real injustice to this team and we don't deserve a great team like this in Valparaiso, Indiana. :o There, I said it.
We can gripe about what the Horizon League tournament move does for our recruiting, but Friday is a day where you can show a recruit, his family, the league, the country, etc. how well we support our team and how we are better than any other school in the league (especially Oakland, who gets the huge boost with the Detroit Tourney). And... showing up can be that final momentum boost that our team needs to sail through the rest of the Horizon League season. And if the city, county, region, etc. cannot show up to support one of the nation's best mid-major teams in their last home weekend before the post-season, what will?
I know that I am beating a dead horse here, but excuses on facilities, name-brand opponent, other events in NWI, getting to the game after work, studying for midterms, the weather, concessions, or whatever it may be just do NOT cut it for this game. Get friends and family to walk up to the game!
:deadhorse:
Go Valpo! Beat Oakland! :)
Do we have student in charge of the the student section? Any organization at all? Can the entire crowd wear gold? Someone had to organize this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-STAL0aNko (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-STAL0aNko)
After finding that on youtube, I also watched last years HL tournament championship game at Valpo. Great crowd and energy. That was really cool.
5000+ is expected.
There are 16 chairback seats available, all single seats only. There are 10 lower bleacher seats available, again all single seats only. The first 4 rows of BB and CC are sold out. So far so good. Now if we get 1000 walk up that'd be pretty full.
Quote from: Kyle321n on February 19, 2016, 08:54:56 AM
There are 16 chairback seats available, all single seats only. There are 10 lower bleacher seats available, again all single seats only. The first 4 rows of BB and CC are sold out. So far so good. Now if we get 1000 walk up that'd be pretty full.
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I'd guess between 2500 and 5127. ;)
Got tickets a couple of weeks ago in section B and got the last 4 seats together in that section. Was really surprised that there were probably only 10 seats left in that section at that time.
http://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/2016/02/19/oakland-golden-grizzlies-greg-kampe/80597156/ (http://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/2016/02/19/oakland-golden-grizzlies-greg-kampe/80597156/)
We'll see how calm he is when we inevitably go on a 10-0 run and Kay keeps chucking bad shots and trying to draw fouls that just aren't called.
Our last game against OU was the one that Sports Center did the Kampe Cam.
I liked that article. Good on him for being willing to adapt for the better of the team.
Quote from: Kyle321n on February 18, 2016, 02:34:18 PMHaha, you say that like I can come up with a list...
It's going to be 50 degrees at tip off, that's way to nice to sit inside a stuffy gym. Let's go to the beach!
Valpo High School boys compete in the Campbell-Meridian Rivalry up the road against Chesterton (I don't know if this is what it's actually called but it should be)
Dunes Birds and Brews is tomorrow! How can the birder in me miss this?
The Wizard of Oz opens up at the Memorial Opera House!
I can't miss opening night of Kaleidoscope
How about 50 mile an hour wind gusts leading to possibly unsafe driving conditions, and 5,000 without power?
Shouldn't be too bad (unless the ARC loses power, fingers crossed) - a little windy on the walk to the ARC, for sure. And maybe some of those folks without power will come to the game instead of watching at home!
Alas, I'll miss the game with a dress rehearsal.
Come hear us perform Saturday, 5:00 PM, at the chapel! Or coming soon to a city near you.
http://www.valpo.edu/bach/performances/ (http://www.valpo.edu/bach/performances/)
St. John's Passion, VU Bach Choir and/or VU Chorale, with the Leipzig Baroque Orchestra fresh off the plane from Germany.
Quote from: agibson on February 19, 2016, 12:42:25 PM
Quote from: Kyle321n on February 18, 2016, 02:34:18 PMHaha, you say that like I can come up with a list...
It's going to be 50 degrees at tip off, that's way to nice to sit inside a stuffy gym. Let's go to the beach!
Valpo High School boys compete in the Campbell-Meridian Rivalry up the road against Chesterton (I don't know if this is what it's actually called but it should be)
Dunes Birds and Brews is tomorrow! How can the birder in me miss this?
The Wizard of Oz opens up at the Memorial Opera House!
I can't miss opening night of Kaleidoscope
How about 50 mile an hour wind gusts leading to possibly unsafe driving conditions, and 5,000 without power?
We'll be going into the wind during the first half, but when Oakland's getting tired in the second half we'll have the wind on our back. I look forward to the wind aided 45 foot threes.
Just checked the ticket office (too much time on my hands). 18 seats left in the lower level and about 500 sold upstairs. There may be more but EE says "unavailable" presuming that is left for the visitors or somethings. With the lower level seats holding 2500 (not counting students) we should be at or near 3500 right now.
EE and AA are for faculty, staff and student spillover.
I'm bringing 15 people tonight, bought tickets last week. I did my part. Valpo by 4.
The line for this game has been all over. Opened at Valpo -8.5 and has gone all the way up to 10 and now it's back down to Valpo -9. All of which seems high. But... to be fair, we have either won by double digits or lost in conference play so maybe they aren't crazy? I don't know.
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For those without a ESPN feed. Off to a fast start (for VU) 13:34 on the clock and a 11-5 lead. Felder has all 5 points. OU shoot 1-6. we aren't shooting much better 5-15 but we are now up 13-5.
OU shot 50% from 3 and we fouled them 3 different times from the arch. This would be and should be a double digit game.
forget 1st half. Just win the next 20 minutes. Oren said it best; In earlier meeting Valpo was up 12 and it felt like a one-possession game. Valpo up 12 now and feels like a blowout
Kampe was right on his technical. It was a foul, but I thought Kampe should have be thrown out when he sized up the ref. I read an article this morning that he was toning it down... I thought refs missed some travels and gave them 2 of 3 fouls outside the arc after Kampe's technical. They did start getting some calls.
Stretch of 10 minutes with 11 points. And never lost the lead.
Time for a run...
we gave up a 6 point lead with a little over a minute last week. we going to give this up too? :'(
I am tired of the ref review.... they take all kinds of time and still get it wrong. .... ........
Also - should we really be slowing down the game with 5 minutes. Maybe we still win alot of the time but we make it closer than it should
Go Valpo!
Valpo tried about as hard as humanly possible to lose this game. We almost NEVER score points after the last media timeout. If Peters doesn't hit that three, I'm confident that we lose. You may as well of had my pasty self at the FT line at the end of that game...really Tevonn?!? But perhaps you noticed that this time the student section did not sing the "Hey, Hey, goodbye" song, thus the W.
Beat Detroit.
Great win Six in double Figures, this team responds !!!!
Great win Six in double Figures, this team responds !!!!1
Our Walkers are playing like crap again. Darien has reverted to releasing his shot too late, which throws an absolute BB at the rim/backboard without any sort of touch. Tevonn decided to foul on a 3 ptr twice, and went something like 1/6 on his FTs in the last few minutes. Darien also got an offensive rebound with 2 minutes left, and at 6-8 pt lead, and decided to try and take it to the rim, rather than kick it out and eat up more time. I really hope that one or both get their sh!t together, as we will need them to win the conference tourney.
A win, but regression in this game. Inconsistent. Obviously, Tevon's touch is just not there. Kudos to Bryce for continuing to play him regardless (ala D. Walker earlier this yr). Would like to see Alec take over games at the end.... Ryanesque basketball would be welcomed.
Horrible foul shooting for a D-1 team. Valpo certainly is not peaking at a time when doing so is crucial.
After tonight's win, we have clinched at least a share of the title.
We will clinch the #1 seed with either one more win or a Wright State loss.
Geez, you'd think we either lost or scraped by UIC with these comments.
Cmon, we just won our 4th regular season title in 5 years. Crucial win with Peters being clutch again. He delivered the dagger when we needed it - this experience will be valuable coming up.
Geez, you'd think we either lost or scraped by UIC with these comments.
Cmon, we just won our 4th regular season title in 5 years. Crucial win with Peters being clutch again. He delivered the dagger when we needed it - this experience will be valuable coming up.
Felder scores in the mid 20's again against us. Just like the last game he scored probably 7 in the last two minutes. What I'm saying is hes not getting his points until they don't mean anything. Carter on the HL All-Defensive team.
Any word on Skara?
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 19, 2016, 09:57:23 PM
Any word on Skara?
Post game interview with Gore suggested it was an ankle. Said they hope to have him for Wisconsin trip.
He didn't sound too optimistic about Sunday, but I wouldn't think so given how it looked.
Someone earlier posted Vashil would have double digits...that guy is pretty basketball smart
Survive and advance my friends. This win was gutty and well fought. Sure, we had moments of weakness and questionable moves and decisions, but we just beat the second place team in the HL for a regular season sweep. Also, the game up in Rochester was fluke in this series, as 10 of the last 11 have been decided by 6 points or fewer or in OT. With this win, we can breathe for the final three games of the season and use them to fine tune our game for March Tournaments.
My only criticism is that late in the first half we fell into the trap of playing a highly offensive, high scoring game that Oakland likes to play. We had quick possessions and quick scoring but we did not really have a good defensive rhythm and our 17-point lead whither to 8 by the half. Then, we started the second half almost too slow, and they could have had a run to tie it, but Alec saved us with a clutch shot or two to ensure it was no less than a 4 point lead.
I thought that the student section and crowd was really into the game and really gave that home court advantage that we needed. However, I didn't particularly appreciate the early "Scoreboard" chants and that the only cheer for the game was "Let's Go Valpo." Both cheers were clearly audible on ESPNU. We can be better than that. And we really didn't hit 5000 people? ??? Sad day.
Now the question is: Is there any possibility of not playing Oakland or Wright State in Detroit? After tonight, I really would rather play Wright State for a third shot than let Oakland get their third shot at us. Also, does anyone know what our numbers look like for the tourney in Detroit? My tickets are bought and hotel reserved, but our board hasn't talked much about it yet and that concerns me a bit...
I haven't seen a shot chart but we appeared to take a dozen or more mid range 2 point shots. Seemed like more than we have taken total in the last 3 games and they were going in. Was this by design or did we just take what they were giving us?
So another interesting bit is that this game was played as part of ESPN's rivalry week and both league games between OU and Valpo were on ESPN. A little national light on who our HL rival is? If memory serves me right, we've also played Butler twice and Detroit the year after the Jr dunk on rivalry week as well.
They were chanting scoreboard at the one Oakland fan who was chanting airball.
In 2 games vs each other Peters goes 12-17 with 31 pts, 25 rbs, 2 to's in 65mins. Felder goes 17-49 with 46pts, 14 assist, 6 to's n 79mins
Also, Peters' team has 2 wins vs Felder's 0 (in case that matters to any award voters).
I can promise you it matters to one voter!
I listened to the game on the radio, but just saw the Peters 3 highlight.
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2. Keith Carter fouled out on THAT? What an epically crappy call with the game on the line.
I felt as if Valpo played Oakland's kind of game instead of playing lockdown defense as they usually do. Valpo had some great scoring streaks that put them out in front just enough to win. But a win is a win and dispite all the poor shooting and mistakes at the end the Crusaders survived a great offensive night by Felder, Hayes and Gibson. Good thing Hooper didn't get hot.
Davidson needs to be more original celebrating Peter's 3, straight up copy cat of Monmouth.
Quote from: HailVU2014 on February 19, 2016, 04:47:34 PM
The line for this game has been all over. Opened at Valpo -8.5 and has gone all the way up to 10 and now it's back down to Valpo -9. All of which seems high. But... to be fair, we have either won by double digits or lost in conference play so maybe they aren't crazy? I don't know.
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Fluctuation is due to betting. Line opens at -8.5 and more bets are being placed on Valpo so the line goes up to -10. Betting shifts to Oakland and line moves down to -9. I am most interested in opening lines as they are more predictive of how Vegas things the game with turn out.
Quote from: valpocleveland on February 20, 2016, 06:03:38 AM
Quote from: HailVU2014 on February 19, 2016, 04:47:34 PM
The line for this game has been all over. Opened at Valpo -8.5 and has gone all the way up to 10 and now it's back down to Valpo -9. All of which seems high. But... to be fair, we have either won by double digits or lost in conference play so maybe they aren't crazy? I don't know.
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Fluctuation is due to betting. Line opens at -8.5 and more bets are being placed on Valpo so the line goes up to -10. Betting shifts to Oakland and line moves down to -9. I am most interested in opening lines as they are more predictive of how Vegas things the game with turn out.
Right. I was just surprised with the fact that it wasn't being bet down and staying down. For betting purposes, I thought it would be tough to go with Valpo when 9 of the past 10 games were decided by less than 6 points or OT. Yet... this is our first single digit win in HL play this season and we played well enough at times to win by double digits so maybe Vegas knew something that we didn't as to why it opened at 8.5 and went all the way up to 10.
Valpo RPI at 58 (one ahead of Butler) and 9 ahead of IPFW. Oakland's RPI increased to 116 from 119 after losing to us.
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 20, 2016, 09:46:31 AMOakland's RPI increased to 116 from 119 after losing to us.
and it will drop back down after playing UIC on Sunday...just like everyone else's does...
so... during the starting line-ups ... I give the player's position, height, class and home town
the scoring sheet that has the roster provides Shane Hammink's home town:
Millingen aan de Rijn, Netherlands
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millingen_aan_de_Rijn
I think I got it right: Mill Eh Gehn Ahn De Ryne
Gotta make a point to ask him before Sunday's game.
I'm finally rewatching the game - the first two fouls on the three point attempts were ridiculous. The first, Hooper pushed off twice and I don't even think Tevonn touched him. Then the second was all ball by Darien. Holy crap, just because a coach gets a technical, doesn't mean you have to give them ridiculous calls right afterwards.
The third one was certainly legitimate.
Also, what was with that dousch in the Oakland sweater? Seems like a winner.
Another terrible job closing out a game, a disturbing trend to say the least:
•We went ahead 80-65 on a Vashil dunk with 4:19 left. From that point to the end of the game, we were out scored 19-6.
•Over that 4+ minutes we were 1-6 FG. Incredibly, 5 of the 6 shots we took were 3's, of which we hit only 1. Who shoots 3's on 4 consecutive possessions when you're trying to close out a game?
•We committed 5 fouls in 4 minutes. That's a pace of 50/game! I thought the team that's behind is supposed to do all the fouling.
•Tevonn again fouled someone on a 3-point shot attempt. Was that the 3rd time or the 4th that we did that last night?
•We turned the ball over twice in the last 4 minutes, which was about the same number of TO's we committed in the other 36 minutes combined.
The bottom line is we didn't perform any better in trying to close out this game than we did when we choked away the WSU game. In fact, we did worse. The only difference is we had a big enough lead last night to persevere despite our best efforts to give it away.
Sorry to sound so negative after a win, but this situation just blows my mind. We are one of the deepest, most experienced teams in college basketball, and yet our lack of composure and terrible decision making when the game is on the line is more what you would expect from a team of freshmen and sophomores.
I could only get GameTracker and, WH, your reaction to all the fouls WE committed in the closing minute(s) was the same as mine as I saw the PXP entries pop up, "Wait, aren't we ahead? Why are we fouling?" :crazy:
And then I languished as I saw each missed VU free throw pop up on the Tracker in the closing seconds. Thanks, Jubril, for stopping the bleeding at that point.
It's baffling knowing that Kampe complained about the refs after the game. The refs were atrocious in the last five minutes, giving Oakland several touch fouls, like the and-1 on Walker at the end, the last two fouls on Carter, and the last foul on Vashil. Maybe Valpo would have been getting the same calls if Oakland actually played defense - most of Valpo's shots were completely open jumpers or layins near the rim.
Quote from: valpocleveland on February 20, 2016, 06:00:15 AM
Davidson needs to be more original celebrating Peter's 3, straight up copy cat of Monmouth.
Nope.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000558274/Saints-Drew-Brees-finds-Brandin-Cooks-for-26-yards
(http://image.nola.com/home/nola-media/width480/img/saints_impact/photo/19127655-mmmain.jpg)
There was a well played 3 minute stretch where our lineup was EVN, Shane, Darien, Jubril and Vashil. Had we ever had those 5 players on the floor together before?
Quote from: valpocleveland on February 20, 2016, 06:03:38 AM
I am most interested in opening lines as they are more predictive of how Vegas things the game with turn out.
In principle, it shouldn't even be this, right? The bookies should set theime where they think the money will split 50-50. So they should put the line where they think -gamblers- predict the game will go.
Maybe, in practice, that's about the same and lines don't move much unless there's breaking news. But, it makes you wonder. (Do some games attract a bunch of casual gamblers?)
Nice article about Hooper from Oakland on ESPN.com http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/111297/meet-oaklands-max-hooper-who-only-shoots-3s (http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/111297/meet-oaklands-max-hooper-who-only-shoots-3s)
My favorite part....
"Shooters get labeled a lot, and they're often seen as bad defenders," Hooper said. "I've worked extremely hard to improve my defense"
This guy couldn't guard a statue and he has improved!!. We showed the blue print to render him useless last night.
Still pretty cool to get an article....
Quote from: valpocleveland on February 20, 2016, 06:00:15 AM
Davidson needs to be more original celebrating Peter's 3, straight up copy cat of Monmouth.
Technically, Davidson got started before Monmouth, as he did some sort of Godzilla celebration when E Vic hit a 3 against Maryland last season ;). This was played several times on ESPN.
Quote from: talksalot on February 20, 2016, 10:02:39 AM
so... during the starting line-ups ... I give the player's position, height, class and home town
the scoring sheet that has the roster provides Shane Hammink's home town:
Millingen aan de Rijn, Netherlands
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millingen_aan_de_Rijn
I think I got it right: Mill Eh Gehn Ahn De Ryne
Gotta make a point to ask him before Sunday's game.
Unfortunately the sound system is so crappy, that we hardly ever hear what you are saying (chair backs, low, center court), let alone understand it.
so... as the student section likes to say "DOESN'T MATTER.... DOESN'T MATTER"
Student section was also yelling "Kevin Hart" at K. Felder. Spot on.
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 19, 2016, 07:59:16 PM
OU shot 50% from 3 and we fouled them 3 different times from the arch. This would be and should be a double digit game.
Now that will really give you.....................
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At the ARC, Oakland athletic director Jeff Konya and operations director Sarah Judd crossed a sportsmanship line while arguing calls from the stands and were suspended one game by the Horizon League for "violating the Horizon League's sportsmanship policy.
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 21, 2016, 08:46:53 PM
At the ARC, Oakland athletic director Jeff Konya and operations director Sarah Judd crossed a sportsmanship line while arguing calls from the stands and were suspended one game by the Horizon League for "violating the Horizon League's sportsmanship policy.
Was it the dude in the gold Oakland sweatshirt?
Hey, 'mick... looking for this in some release somewhere since Todd announced it in today's post-game.... can't find it.
http://www.goldengrizzlies.com/staffdir/oakl-staff-directory.html (http://www.goldengrizzlies.com/staffdir/oakl-staff-directory.html)
you can find their pictures in that link... she is listed under the Men's Basketball section
http://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/wolverines/2016/02/21/horizon-league-suspends-oakland-athletic-director/80709728/ (http://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/wolverines/2016/02/21/horizon-league-suspends-oakland-athletic-director/80709728/)
personally, i think Kampe should have been dismissed immediately after his technical. He came out of the coaches box towards the ref and sized him up.
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 21, 2016, 09:09:20 PM
http://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/wolverines/2016/02/21/horizon-league-suspends-oakland-athletic-director/80709728/ (http://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/wolverines/2016/02/21/horizon-league-suspends-oakland-athletic-director/80709728/)
Didn't read much remorse or acceptance of a mistake in his statement. I read it as "Damn, they caught me. I'll learn from this and do a better job of bitching next time."
I'm curious what he said during the game. Where is the line for assistant coaches, or other team or university officials? And somehow this didn't result in a technical during the game?
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 21, 2016, 08:46:53 PM
At the ARC, Oakland athletic director Jeff Konya and operations director Sarah Judd crossed a sportsmanship line while arguing calls from the stands and were suspended one game by the Horizon League for "violating the Horizon League's sportsmanship policy.
I remember that Judd was on those Becky Francis' (wife of the former OU president who coached the women's basketball team and was fired days after her husband resigned) teams that used to beat us regularly in the Mid-Con.
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 21, 2016, 08:46:53 PM
At the ARC, Oakland athletic director Jeff Konya and operations director Sarah Judd crossed a sportsmanship line while arguing calls from the stands and were suspended one game by the Horizon League for "violating the Horizon League's sportsmanship policy.
What does it mean that an AD is suspended for one game? Its not as if the AD is involved with the game, so what would he lose?
Judd is the director of basketball operations for the men. Thus she likely would have been on the bench.
Wouldn't be a Valpo-Oakland game without a little bit of controversy. ;)
edit: I'm not allowed to post links on your board. You can see the link of the video on our board under the Misc. Media Coverage 2015-16 thread.
I'm fairly sure the above video is where it happened. Konya is the one in the leather jacket directly behind Kampe. Definitely yelling, but as long as it's not anything derogatory I absolutely love having an AD that cares. And you'll be happy to know our schedule will be much toned down next year. Believe only 3 P5 teams, 1 of which is at home (Georgia). Our home attendance is going to be 4400 (20000+ from the MSU game helps). Our student section has returned and been awesome the whole year. And our highlights are on TV just about every night.
And as far as Kampe sizing up the ref? seems like you might be mistaken Oklahomamick... but by all means keep trying to paint Kampe as an awful person.
Quote from: arsenal926 on February 21, 2016, 11:09:16 PMWouldn't be a Valpo-Oakland game without a little bit of controversy. ;) edit: I'm not allowed to post links on your board. You can see the link of the video on our board under the Misc. Media Coverage 2015-16 thread. I'm fairly sure the above video is where it happened. Konya is the one in the leather jacket directly behind Kampe. Definitely yelling, but as long as it's not anything derogatory I absolutely love having an AD that cares. And you'll be happy to know our schedule will be much toned down next year. Believe only 3 P5 teams, 1 of which is at home (Georgia). Our home attendance is going to be 4400 (20000+ from the MSU game helps). Our student section has returned and been awesome the whole year. And our highlights are on TV just about every night. And as far as Kampe sizing up the ref? seems like you might be mistaken Oklahomamick... but by all means keep trying to paint Kampe as an awful person.
Not an awful person at all. sizing up a ref doesn't make someone an awful person. If that was the case, I might be a bad person....So you are telling me Kampe didn't take steps towards the ref as if he was going to meet him in the middle of the court? After the technical, Kampe took 3 steps towards the ref. You might be mistaken. That is a fact. Bad thing is, Kampe was correct. It was a foul.
I don't love Kampe as much as STLfan (just giving you a hard time) but I do like him. I listen to Kampe's radio show and think hes a good coach.
https://streamable.com/2rli (https://streamable.com/2rli)
Was sitting near the oakland bench. Kampe kept on turning around and looking at a guy sitting in the front row. We were wondering who it was - - now I know - -the athletic director. Kampe and the AD's behavior did not win over any points from the group I was with.
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 22, 2016, 06:10:09 AMNot an awful person at all. sizing up a ref doesn't make someone an awful person. If that was the case, I might be a bad person....So you are telling me Kampe didn't take steps towards the ref as if he was going to meet him in the middle of the court? After the technical, Kampe took 3 steps towards the ref. You might be mistaken. That is a fact. Bad thing is, Kampe was correct. It was a foul. I don't love Kampe as much as STLfan (just giving you a hard time) but I do like him. I listen to Kampe's radio show and think hes a good coach.
This is obviously going nowhere. If you think that sequence was worthy of an ejection so be it. Kampe was like half a step out of the coaching box and at no point was he even with 30 feet of the ref who gave the tech. Arguably a deserved tech, but saying that was "sizing up the ref" is a large stretch IMO.
Well, I will have to ask and show my naivete - what exactly does it mean to "size up a ref?"
Thanks.
paul
I'm sure "sizing up" is subjective. I think it's taking aggressive steps towards someone as if you are on your way for a confrontation.
The video showed Kampe taking steps to meet the ref at center of the court. The ref paused and held his position in what appeared to me as if Kampe takes one more step towards me, I'm throwing him out.
Bryce got T'd up against WSU a week ago. Two different styles of receiving technical fouls. :twocents:
Kampe is the Donald Trump of the Horizon League. Guy can do or say whatever he wants and his minions will defend him. This guy said in his press conference McClain should be considered for HL coach of the year. Yes, the same coach of a team that is almost singly handedly responsible for lowering each team's RPI 10 points and assuring the league won't get an at-large bid.
He makes asinine comment one after another, and he's regarded as refreshing for speaking his mind.
"King Kampe"...in love with himself and the the H L's blowhard of the year(a repeat every year) Just think how good he and his program would be if they were at least half as good as HE thinks they are.
The Golden Grizzlies trailed 46-38 at the half, and were called for 11 fouls to Valpo's 10. For the game, Oakland was called for 24 fouls to Valpo's 23.
Quote from: agibson on February 19, 2016, 12:42:25 PMHow about 50 mile an hour wind gusts leading to possibly unsafe driving conditions, and 5,000 without power?
Funny story: I'm just about to hit Hebron on Friday around 2pm or so and I get a call from Buffalo Wild Wings saying they've got my Dad seated there and they just wanted to find out how soon I was going to be there. I thought, huh? What's he doing? I get there and he tells me his apartment complex and the surrounding neighborhood lost power. It was restored by the time he went back home (he got bored when I ordered my late lunch and pulled out my computer ;)
I happen to think we got away with A LOT of fouls in the early going under the basket. I was sitting right there, and Jaylen Hayes absolutely should have been given the and-1 opportunity on that one play.
I suspect it all evened out in the end. I certainly think we got our fair share of love from the refs.
I see their AD was suspended for 1 game for comments about the refs. if you go back and look at the fouls they were called for in the 1st half I can't disagree. Vashil fouled on the play Kampe got the T on. We got some breaks.
The officiating issue is an interesting one. I see a lot of talk - both on here sometimes, after games in which some fans feel we've been egregiously wronged, and on other boards from opposing fans - about the quality of officials being awful and we need better officials in the Horizon League.
But a good bit of the time, we're getting officials considered good enough to work in the top leagues. Take, for instance, Friday's game:
Brent Hampton - of his last 10 games, 3 were Big East games, 1 was an SEC game and 1 was an American Conference game
Kelly Pfeifer - of his last 10, 3 were Big Ten games, 2 were Mountain West games, 1 was a Missouri Valley game
Alfred Smith - of his last 10, only 1 SEC and 1 Atlantic 10 that you might consider top-tier, but if you expand to last 20, you have 4 A-10, 2 SEC, 1 Big East games
Or Sunday's game:
Doug Sirmons - last 10: 3 SEC, 2 Big 12, 2 American (you might remember Sirmons from being the official who ejected Calipari early in Kentucky's game at SC)
Paul Szelc - last 10: 2 Big 10, 2 Big East
Bert Smith - last 10: 2 Big 12, 2 Mountain West, 2 Missouri Valley, 1 Pac-12
So if officials at our games are officials who are consistently working in leagues at or above the Horizon League's level, why does officiating always seem to be such an issue at our level? It's an interesting question.
Quote from: vusupporter on February 22, 2016, 10:25:03 PMSo if officials at our games are officials who are consistently working in leagues at or above the Horizon League's level, why does officiating always seem to be such an issue at our level? It's an interesting question.
Believe me it is not just our level in which the officiating is an issue this year. The frustration is everywhere and with everyone including coaches, officials, and administrators.
One of the things Kampe was going nuts about were the back-to-back fouls called on Hayes was he was defending Peters at the high post. From our position 7 rows off the court we could plainly see that Hayes was holding onto Alec's jersey when he tried to create space or break away. Subsequently, we observed Alec inform Bryce on the sidelines with a jersey pulling motion. At the first opportunity Bryce was quietly in the ear of one of the officials, and next thing you know Hayes was called for fouls on back-to-back (I think) possessions for doing exactly that, and had to be pulled. Everyone knows full well that anything that impedes an offensive player's progress is supposed to be called more closely this year, yet a lot of teams continue to try to get away with the same old stuff - hip checks, extended knees, arm bars, holding, etc., etc. They continue to challenge the refs to make the calls. The problem as I see it is the continued lack of consistency from game to game by the officials. I have read that the NCAA head of officials is repeatedly telling them to stay the course in enforcing "freedom of movement" so they don't have to reinvent the wheel every year. They are also reviewing game video and calling out officials who aren't conforming.
All of this said I have zero sympathy for Kampe and Oakland's AD and their little tizzy fits. If anyone plays lazier defense in the HL than Oakland, I'd like to know who it is. The reason they hold jerseys, lock arms and hip check is that they're too lazy to move their feet. Did anyone notice Gibson out there in the 2nd half. He looked completely gassed at every stop in the action. It was obviously noticeable to the coaching staff because we set up several plays later in the half to go directly at him. It's unbelievable that a player can be that out of shape 30 games into a season. Then again, Oakland only plays at one end of the court, so it probably takes longer to reach a basic level of cardiovascular fitness.
Lastly, we should thank our lucky stars that Oakland doesn't dedicate to playing defense the way we do. With their high powered offense and our lock down defense, they'd probably be undefeated right now and ranked in the Top 25.
Good summary and I couldn't agree more. I am still concerned about offensive lulls and at times our inability to hit the broad side of a barn especially down the stretch. We need to consistently start out strong, maintaned the momentum and finish strong. I'd like to see Tavonn regain his shooting accuracy and hope that David's ankle improves so that he can at least practice prior to the tournament.
Traveling to WI to make the road trip this week and feel confident that we we will come out on top. While I don't want to look too far ahead, we need to be able to better contain Oakland's scoring as they will be exploiting every weakness in our game (few that they are).
Quote from: wh on February 23, 2016, 10:56:58 AM
One of the things Kampe was going nuts about were the back-to-back fouls called on Hayes was he was defending Peters at the high post. From our position 7 rows off the court we could plainly see that Hayes was holding onto Alec's jersey when he tried to create space or break away. Subsequently, we observed Alec inform Bryce on the sidelines with a jersey pulling motion. At the first opportunity Bryce was quietly in the ear of one of the officials, and next thing you know Hayes was called for fouls on back-to-back (I think) possessions for doing exactly that, and had to be pulled. Everyone knows full well that anything that impedes an offensive player's progress is supposed to be called more closely this year, yet a lot of teams continue to try to get away with the same old stuff - hip checks, extended knees, arm bars, holding, etc., etc. They continue to challenge the refs to make the calls. The problem as I see it is the continued lack of consistency from game to game by the officials. I have read that the NCAA head of officials is repeatedly telling them to stay the course in enforcing "freedom of movement" so they don't have to reinvent the wheel every year. They are also reviewing game video and calling out officials who aren't conforming.
All of this said I have zero sympathy for Kampe and Oakland's AD and their little tizzy fits. If anyone plays lazier defense in the HL than Oakland, I'd like to know who it is. The reason they hold jerseys, lock arms and hip check is that they're too lazy to move their feet. Did anyone notice Gibson out there in the 2nd half. He looked completely gassed at every stop in the action. It was obviously noticeable to the coaching staff because we set up several plays later in the half to go directly at him. It's unbelievable that a player can be that out of shape 30 games into a season. Then again, Oakland only plays at one end of the court, so it probably takes longer to reach a basic level of cardiovascular fitness.
Lastly, we should thank our lucky stars that Oakland doesn't dedicate to playing defense the way we do. With their high powered offense and our lock down defense, they'd probably be undefeated right now and ranked in the Top 25.
Agreed on most things, but the last paragraph... If these players could play lock down defense, they'd probably be playing at Michigan State, not Oakland. My gripe with Kampe kind of goes along with what you're saying; he doesn't emphasise defense and hard work. His recruiting is focused on guys that want to score lots of points, record lots of assists, shoot lots of threes, etc. Furthermore, his coaching style, in my opinion, encourages laziness. Moving guys off the free throw line does not encourage hard work. Leaving players in for 40 minutes does not encourage playing 100% on the defensive end. And to be fair, if Oakland did the amount of double teams that Valpo did, they wouldn't be able to play the amount of minutes they do now, and certainly wouldn't be able to run as many fast breaks.
What makes Valpo's defense so great (besides having big athletic men), is their depth, and their ability to rotate and switch. This requires lots of running, hard work, and discipline. Valpo recruits guys that want to play this way. It's not sexy. It's much more fun to Tweet out how many 20 point games your guard has, and how many 3 pointers a player can attempt. It means less offensive continuity with a dozen different lineups, and it may mean less capable shooters on the court, but the results are very effective and rewarding.
Quote from: a3uge on February 23, 2016, 12:15:04 PM
Quote from: wh on February 23, 2016, 10:56:58 AM
One of the things Kampe was going nuts about were the back-to-back fouls called on Hayes was he was defending Peters at the high post. From our position 7 rows off the court we could plainly see that Hayes was holding onto Alec's jersey when he tried to create space or break away. Subsequently, we observed Alec inform Bryce on the sidelines with a jersey pulling motion. At the first opportunity Bryce was quietly in the ear of one of the officials, and next thing you know Hayes was called for fouls on back-to-back (I think) possessions for doing exactly that, and had to be pulled. Everyone knows full well that anything that impedes an offensive player's progress is supposed to be called more closely this year, yet a lot of teams continue to try to get away with the same old stuff - hip checks, extended knees, arm bars, holding, etc., etc. They continue to challenge the refs to make the calls. The problem as I see it is the continued lack of consistency from game to game by the officials. I have read that the NCAA head of officials is repeatedly telling them to stay the course in enforcing "freedom of movement" so they don't have to reinvent the wheel every year. They are also reviewing game video and calling out officials who aren't conforming.
All of this said I have zero sympathy for Kampe and Oakland's AD and their little tizzy fits. If anyone plays lazier defense in the HL than Oakland, I'd like to know who it is. The reason they hold jerseys, lock arms and hip check is that they're too lazy to move their feet. Did anyone notice Gibson out there in the 2nd half. He looked completely gassed at every stop in the action. It was obviously noticeable to the coaching staff because we set up several plays later in the half to go directly at him. It's unbelievable that a player can be that out of shape 30 games into a season. Then again, Oakland only plays at one end of the court, so it probably takes longer to reach a basic level of cardiovascular fitness.
Lastly, we should thank our lucky stars that Oakland doesn't dedicate to playing defense the way we do. With their high powered offense and our lock down defense, they'd probably be undefeated right now and ranked in the Top 25.
Agreed on most things, but the last paragraph... If these players could play lock down defense, they'd probably be playing at Michigan State, not Oakland. My gripe with Kampe kind of goes along with what you're saying; he doesn't emphasise defense and hard work. His recruiting is focused on guys that want to score lots of points, record lots of assists, shoot lots of threes, etc. Furthermore, his coaching style, in my opinion, encourages laziness. Moving guys off the free throw line does not encourage hard work. Leaving players in for 40 minutes does not encourage playing 100% on the defensive end. And to be fair, if Oakland did the amount of double teams that Valpo did, they wouldn't be able to play the amount of minutes they do now, and certainly wouldn't be able to run as many fast breaks.
What makes Valpo's defense so great (besides having big athletic men), is their depth, and their ability to rotate and switch. This requires lots of running, hard work, and discipline. Valpo recruits guys that want to play this way. It's not sexy. It's much more fun to Tweet out how many 20 point games your guard has, and how many 3 pointers a player can attempt. It means less offensive continuity with a dozen different lineups, and it may mean less capable shooters on the court, but the results are very effective and rewarding.
Wow! You just blew my final paragraph away. :clap:
Oakland Basketball: Tournament without Kay Felder wouldn't seem right
https://bustingbrackets.com/2016/02/22/oakland-basketball-tournament-without-kay-felder-wouldnt-seem-right/ (https://bustingbrackets.com/2016/02/22/oakland-basketball-tournament-without-kay-felder-wouldnt-seem-right/)
Quote from: wh on February 23, 2016, 01:13:24 PM
Quote from: a3uge on February 23, 2016, 12:15:04 PM
Quote from: wh on February 23, 2016, 10:56:58 AM
One of the things Kampe was going nuts about were the back-to-back fouls called on Hayes was he was defending Peters at the high post. From our position 7 rows off the court we could plainly see that Hayes was holding onto Alec's jersey when he tried to create space or break away. Subsequently, we observed Alec inform Bryce on the sidelines with a jersey pulling motion. At the first opportunity Bryce was quietly in the ear of one of the officials, and next thing you know Hayes was called for fouls on back-to-back (I think) possessions for doing exactly that, and had to be pulled. Everyone knows full well that anything that impedes an offensive player's progress is supposed to be called more closely this year, yet a lot of teams continue to try to get away with the same old stuff - hip checks, extended knees, arm bars, holding, etc., etc. They continue to challenge the refs to make the calls. The problem as I see it is the continued lack of consistency from game to game by the officials. I have read that the NCAA head of officials is repeatedly telling them to stay the course in enforcing "freedom of movement" so they don't have to reinvent the wheel every year. They are also reviewing game video and calling out officials who aren't conforming.
All of this said I have zero sympathy for Kampe and Oakland's AD and their little tizzy fits. If anyone plays lazier defense in the HL than Oakland, I'd like to know who it is. The reason they hold jerseys, lock arms and hip check is that they're too lazy to move their feet. Did anyone notice Gibson out there in the 2nd half. He looked completely gassed at every stop in the action. It was obviously noticeable to the coaching staff because we set up several plays later in the half to go directly at him. It's unbelievable that a player can be that out of shape 30 games into a season. Then again, Oakland only plays at one end of the court, so it probably takes longer to reach a basic level of cardiovascular fitness.
Lastly, we should thank our lucky stars that Oakland doesn't dedicate to playing defense the way we do. With their high powered offense and our lock down defense, they'd probably be undefeated right now and ranked in the Top 25.
Agreed on most things, but the last paragraph... If these players could play lock down defense, they'd probably be playing at Michigan State, not Oakland. My gripe with Kampe kind of goes along with what you're saying; he doesn't emphasise defense and hard work. His recruiting is focused on guys that want to score lots of points, record lots of assists, shoot lots of threes, etc. Furthermore, his coaching style, in my opinion, encourages laziness. Moving guys off the free throw line does not encourage hard work. Leaving players in for 40 minutes does not encourage playing 100% on the defensive end. And to be fair, if Oakland did the amount of double teams that Valpo did, they wouldn't be able to play the amount of minutes they do now, and certainly wouldn't be able to run as many fast breaks.
What makes Valpo's defense so great (besides having big athletic men), is their depth, and their ability to rotate and switch. This requires lots of running, hard work, and discipline. Valpo recruits guys that want to play this way. It's not sexy. It's much more fun to Tweet out how many 20 point games your guard has, and how many 3 pointers a player can attempt. It means less offensive continuity with a dozen different lineups, and it may mean less capable shooters on the court, but the results are very effective and rewarding.
Wow! You just blew my final paragraph away. :clap:
I've read elsewhere that Valpo is "lucky" that their team happened to miss a bunch of free throws against us. I don't think they give much thought that it is physically exhausting to score on our defense and defend us. THAT is why teams shoot a low free throw % against us, not because they just happen to have an off game from the line.
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 24, 2016, 01:24:49 PM
Oakland Basketball: Tournament without Kay Felder wouldn't seem right
https://bustingbrackets.com/2016/02/22/oakland-basketball-tournament-without-kay-felder-wouldnt-seem-right/ (https://bustingbrackets.com/2016/02/22/oakland-basketball-tournament-without-kay-felder-wouldnt-seem-right/)
If Felder doesn't get his team to the tournament, it would seem perfectly right to me. It would mean he didn't score enough points and whom would you blame for that? The Gods? No. His teammates? Why would they be expected to pick up the slack come tournament time? Kampe? Perhaps, for rolling the dice on a score-first point guard.
Look, Felder is entertaining to watch, in a leading-man, action-movie kinda way, but I like me a good independent film with an excellent script and a solid ensemble cast. And the Oscar goes to...
Quote from: SanityLost17 on February 24, 2016, 01:48:36 PM
I've read elsewhere that Valpo is "lucky" that their team happened to miss a bunch of free throws against us. I don't think they give much thought that it is physically exhausting to score on our defense and defend us. THAT is why teams shoot a low free throw % against us, not because they just happen to have an off game from the line.
Does free throw defense correlate with actual defense? That would be a fascinating study.
Kyle321n compiled some free throw defense stats here: http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=2427.0
Opponents specifically shoot poorly at the ARC - the hostile environment probably has something to do with it; that's not luck. That's something the program has built over time.
Quote from: a3uge on February 24, 2016, 03:05:20 PMDoes free throw defense correlate with actual defense? That would be a fascinating study.
Seems like the sort of thing Pomeroy would do - maybe has done.
Quote from: agibson on February 24, 2016, 03:39:58 PM
Quote from: a3uge on February 24, 2016, 03:05:20 PMDoes free throw defense correlate with actual defense? That would be a fascinating study.
Seems like the sort of thing Pomeroy would do - maybe has done.
Okay, I calculated - probably not statistically significant, but there's a slight positive correlation between opponents ft% and defensive rating this year. I ran correlation test between opponents free throw percentage and various metrics.
Opp FT% to dRTG
r=.237
Opp FT% to Opp TS%
.268
Opp FT% to Opp eFG%
.119
Opp FT% to Opp FTr (free throw rate)
.041
Pace and steals had virtually no correlation. dRtg, opp TS%, and opp efg% had the highest correlation coefficient.
Might try a couple years worth of I get bored.
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 24, 2016, 01:24:49 PM
Oakland Basketball: Tournament without Kay Felder wouldn't seem right
https://bustingbrackets.com/2016/02/22/oakland-basketball-tournament-without-kay-felder-wouldnt-seem-right/ (https://bustingbrackets.com/2016/02/22/oakland-basketball-tournament-without-kay-felder-wouldnt-seem-right/)
Perhaps the writer could have better described Oakland as "little known" versus " He goes to a little mid-major school in the Horizon league named Oakland University"
If having 21000 students and 17000 undergrads is "little", how might he describe a likely One Seed like Villanova, with only 10000 total students, let alone Valpo? ???
I saw a ranking on ESPN's website that had Felder as one of the top 15 players this year in the country and Alec Peters at 85. First, there is not that much of a difference (though obviously very different players at different positions). Second, Frank Mason of Kansas was 71st. Frank Mason has clearly been better than Felder. Mason doesn't take as many shots but overall is just about as good an offensive point guard. Furthermore, Frank Mason is far better defensively than Felder.
Quote from: Valpower on February 24, 2016, 02:57:03 PM
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 24, 2016, 01:24:49 PM
Oakland Basketball: Tournament without Kay Felder wouldn't seem right
https://bustingbrackets.com/2016/02/22/oakland-basketball-tournament-without-kay-felder-wouldnt-seem-right/ (https://bustingbrackets.com/2016/02/22/oakland-basketball-tournament-without-kay-felder-wouldnt-seem-right/)
If Felder doesn't get his team to the tournament, it would seem perfectly right to me. It would mean he didn't score enough points and whom would you blame for that? The Gods? No. His teammates? Why would they be expected to pick up the slack come tournament time? Kampe? Perhaps, for rolling the dice on a score-first point guard.
Look, Felder is entertaining to watch, in a leading-man, action-movie kinda way, but I like me a good independent film with an excellent script and a solid ensemble cast. And the Oscar goes to...
"The Help" because that is what Felder is so much in need of and an Oscar winning film. ;)
Quote from: Valpower on February 24, 2016, 02:57:03 PMIf Felder doesn't get his team to the tournament, it would seem perfectly right to me. It would mean he didn't score enough points and whom would you blame for that? The Gods? No. His teammates? Why would they be expected to pick up the slack come tournament time? Kampe? Perhaps, for rolling the dice on a score-first point guard. Look, Felder is entertaining to watch, in a leading-man, action-movie kinda way, but I like me a good independent film with an excellent script and a solid ensemble cast. And the Oscar goes to...
If he's truly a score-first point guard, he probably wouldn't be leading the nation in assists with 9.2 per game (Milwaukee's Jordan Johnson is next with 8.0 per game)...
Quote from: mb230611 on February 25, 2016, 12:19:48 PM
Quote from: Valpower on February 24, 2016, 02:57:03 PMIf Felder doesn't get his team to the tournament, it would seem perfectly right to me. It would mean he didn't score enough points and whom would you blame for that? The Gods? No. His teammates? Why would they be expected to pick up the slack come tournament time? Kampe? Perhaps, for rolling the dice on a score-first point guard. Look, Felder is entertaining to watch, in a leading-man, action-movie kinda way, but I like me a good independent film with an excellent script and a solid ensemble cast. And the Oscar goes to...
If he's truly a score-first point guard, he probably wouldn't be leading the nation in assists with 9.2 per game (Milwaukee's Jordan Johnson is next with 8.0 per game)...
I don't think he gets as many assists and draws as many fouls WITHOUT being a threat to score first and I don't think the threat is credible without actually, you know, scoring first. He's as much of a score-first point guard as there ever is.
Regardless, I hope he jumps to the NBA after this year. He had a tweet yesterday that insinuated he will be back.
Anyone know what his graduation status is? Seems like he'd be a perfect grad transfer for one of the big boys.
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on February 25, 2016, 01:39:03 PM
Anyone know what his graduation status is? Seems like he'd be a perfect grad transfer for one of the big boys.
He may not graduate cause he's gonna have to...pass first.
Max Hooper's dad passed away a week after the UDM win at the O'Rena. Here's an article.
http://www.goldengrizzlies.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/030616aad.html (http://www.goldengrizzlies.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/030616aad.html)
USAToday also had a story.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2016/03/06/oakland-g-max-hoopers-father-chip-has-died-of-cancer/81407310/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2016/03/06/oakland-g-max-hoopers-father-chip-has-died-of-cancer/81407310/)